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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola. Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Bill Jones, and it's our first installment
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys for this week. We had a very
Speaker 1: nice installment of Hanging with the Talking Cowboys break yesterday
Speaker 1: as Brian brought us and myself Bill Jones were joined
Speaker 1: by Kurt Daniels and Nate Newton to discuss Cowboys Redskins. Brian,
Speaker 1: anything happened in the meantime since yesterday? Not that I
Speaker 1: know of? Yeah, and Micky when then Rob went to
Speaker 1: the museum, right, that's right, y'all got back from Washington.
Speaker 1: Very safe flight he did. Yeah, it was great. Found
Speaker 1: out some breaking news about halfway through, did you How
Speaker 1: did you guys find out? Was Mickey holding the phone
Speaker 1: or the radio up at thirty eight thousand feet? Vicky
Speaker 1: was on Wi Fi on the Internet and saw breaking news.
Speaker 1: So who who reported it? Internet? On the plane? What
Speaker 1: that's new? That's k Garrison. We usually don't have internet
Speaker 1: on the plane. So that's nice. The ship, well, things
Speaker 1: have moved up here greatly. So who stood up and
Speaker 1: made the announcement to the plane the Cowboys flying back
Speaker 1: from Washington, DC, that a trade had been made. It
Speaker 1: took a little hang on, It took a little It
Speaker 1: took a little doing because really funny, I want to
Speaker 1: hear it him Mickey voice, Real funny guy here, I
Speaker 1: want to hear I want to hear it in Mickey
Speaker 1: voice when he when he saw no, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's up now. We had started, we had started
Speaker 1: hearing stuff before I saw a break on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. Was a lot of people were asleep because
Speaker 1: it was obviously they played a game the night before
Speaker 1: early morning for that museum trip, which is great. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it took a little doing to get that thing.
Speaker 1: Mickey didn't stuck in the gallus. You guys act like
Speaker 1: the flight attendant up front, Susan goes attention, attention, please.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys have just traded for Amari Cooper, and
Speaker 1: one of you poor guys on his flight is not
Speaker 1: gonna have a job tomorrow. And he found out right
Speaker 1: when he got off the flight yeah. Actually, all right,
Speaker 1: so the trade has been made. Amari Cooper is yeah,
Speaker 1: headed to Dallas to become a Dallas Cowboy, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys give up their first round draft pick in two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. And so we want to start going around
Speaker 1: the horn. Your first reaction when you heard the news,
Speaker 1: let's go to Brian. Brian, you know, did all this matter?
Speaker 1: In fact, we should point out Brian in the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours has now gone back and looked at
Speaker 1: every single Lamari Cooper place. He was Teddy Bridgewaters primary
Speaker 1: receiver at Northwestern High School in Miami. You deserve the
Speaker 1: first word with that one. I'll tell you what though,
Speaker 1: thank you for the first word. The thing that I
Speaker 1: was in, I you know, you look at my first
Speaker 1: thought was good, good this, you know, you know, I've
Speaker 1: just got to the point now where I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: the is this wide receiver by committee? You have one
Speaker 1: guy that's really really playing well, you have one guy
Speaker 1: that's trying to emerge. Okay, let's go try and find
Speaker 1: a way to help this quarterback. Let's go try and
Speaker 1: find a way to evaluate him better before you have
Speaker 1: to give up twenty million dollars a year to see
Speaker 1: if he can play or not. You know, why don't
Speaker 1: you give him some weapons. Why don't you allow him
Speaker 1: maybe to make a throw or two where it's a
Speaker 1: contested ball and HiT's gonna be caught, or there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a big play, or there's gonna be a big
Speaker 1: run after the catch. You know, go out and try
Speaker 1: and make a difference here. And I think that to
Speaker 1: me when you look at your football team and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: where are we deficient? Mickey's been very adamant about the
Speaker 1: offensive that's been a big problem. But you look at
Speaker 1: this receiving corp. It has not been good enough. And
Speaker 1: so when you sit down and you evaluate it and
Speaker 1: you say, what's the best way that we can help
Speaker 1: this receiving corps right now? It is to add a
Speaker 1: player that is a dynamic player, like a Marii Cooper.
Speaker 1: That is that now. If it works out, great, you
Speaker 1: have the evaluation you have a great player in a
Speaker 1: Mariy Cooper. If it doesn't work out, it's probably because
Speaker 1: of a the offensive line didn't protect well enough, be
Speaker 1: your quarterback can't make throws. You're going to figure this
Speaker 1: out real fast. Now, it's not about Okay, blame Dak
Speaker 1: or blame the lack of talent on the outside at
Speaker 1: wide receiver. This is that you went out and got
Speaker 1: a legitimate football player. You had to pay a premium
Speaker 1: price to do it. He's a young player. He will
Speaker 1: come in here and he will be a difference, a
Speaker 1: different player than what you have, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: this offense needs. Rob Phillips, two things for me, if
Speaker 1: you want to argue that it's a good trade and
Speaker 1: see both sides of it. He's twenty four years old
Speaker 1: compared to the guys that are coming out of the
Speaker 1: draft next year, and you guys are gonna have a
Speaker 1: draft show later this week players right now, compared to
Speaker 1: the receivers that top receivers that will be available, he's
Speaker 1: not much older. And he's got four years in the league.
Speaker 1: This is his fourth year. They think he's on the
Speaker 1: up rise. So you're not trading for a thirty something
Speaker 1: wide receiver to help. You're still trading for a young guy, yes,
Speaker 1: and you have him at least for a year and
Speaker 1: a half. The other thing is I appreciate this front
Speaker 1: office saying they haven't said it, but actions speak louder
Speaker 1: than words. This committee hasn't worked. Its wide receiver committee
Speaker 1: has not worked. Now they've spread the snaps around pretty evenly.
Speaker 1: So these guys aren't going to have major production, I
Speaker 1: don't think. But again, one guy could have risen to
Speaker 1: the top, and so far it's been Cole Beasley. The
Speaker 1: three guys they've brought in Hearns, Thompson, Austin who's injured,
Speaker 1: thirty two catches, three hundred ninety one yards, three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: The next two leading receivers after Cole are you're running
Speaker 1: back and you're tight end. They haven't gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of production out of the wide receiver position. There's no
Speaker 1: question about that. My question about this trade for as
Speaker 1: much as you're giving up in a first round pick
Speaker 1: that's high value, I mean that that is a premium
Speaker 1: that's the lifeblood of your team, is your draft. I
Speaker 1: just is he going to make a big enough difference
Speaker 1: down the stretch, because particularly on the road for me,
Speaker 1: because you know, I think we all thought they'd play
Speaker 1: more efficiently this past week in Washington. The matchups seem
Speaker 1: better for them, and again they they haven't been able
Speaker 1: to function well offensively. And I'm with Mickey, it starts
Speaker 1: up front. There are other things besides the wide receivers
Speaker 1: that need to be better and be more consistent for
Speaker 1: this passing game to have success, and we haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: And we'll bring in one really talented wide receiver make
Speaker 1: that much of a difference. We'll see Vicky Spagnola. I
Speaker 1: like the talent acquisition. I wish they could have done
Speaker 1: it for a second round pick, not to first round pick,
Speaker 1: because there'll be a point next year when you're in
Speaker 1: April and you're sitting there going, boy, I really need
Speaker 1: to fix this and you're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to fix it with the first round pick. But having
Speaker 1: said that, I guess if you're gonna get something good,
Speaker 1: you got to give up something good. And uh, they
Speaker 1: at least took the step going forward, Uh, sort of
Speaker 1: admitted that this committee thing is not working out the
Speaker 1: way it needs to and if nothing else, this guy's
Speaker 1: going to command the tension from posing defenses and no
Speaker 1: longer are they going to be dropping safeties in the
Speaker 1: box and saying, Zeke, you know what, you're not beating me, Zeke.
Speaker 1: The last two road games had thirty five carries for
Speaker 1: eighty eight yards. That's not even three yards to carry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's better than that. Right. The offensive line struggles, but
Speaker 1: not that bad. Defenses are saying, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: beat me throwing the ball. Well, now they've got a
Speaker 1: second thought coming when this guy, I don't know what
Speaker 1: number he's gonna have, number nineteen. Yeah, they're gonna look
Speaker 1: out there, you know what, I better keep an eye
Speaker 1: on number nineteen. Then, yeah, and so, and aren't you
Speaker 1: glad that you ended up with a bigger need than
Speaker 1: using that first round pick for a free safety, because
Speaker 1: had you done that, you're not trading for this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people of initial reaction
Speaker 1: is they think Joey Galloway. They think Roy Williams. Eighteen
Speaker 1: years ago, the Cowboys, of course, gave up two number
Speaker 1: ones for Joey Galloway, which was a twenty nine year
Speaker 1: old Joey Gage mistake. Yes, ten years ago, they gave
Speaker 1: up what essentially was a first and a third. They
Speaker 1: also gave up a sixth and got back a seventh.
Speaker 1: But let's say a first and a third for Roy Williams,
Speaker 1: who was twenty seven years old, And now they're giving
Speaker 1: up one number one for a twenty four year old
Speaker 1: who just turned twenty four in June. In Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: I think that they had made up their mind after
Speaker 1: watching seven games this year they were going to have
Speaker 1: to use a first round draft pick on a wide
Speaker 1: receiver up or they would have to sign one in
Speaker 1: free agent, see exactly. And if they decide that, you know,
Speaker 1: we got a mid round first round draft pick based
Speaker 1: on our early projections of the receivers coming out. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna be better than this guy, I mean Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: And he's about Calvin Ridley's age. Hell yeah, how much? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley was an older guy too in this draft,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. So there were some questions about that. Now,
Speaker 1: look on what you said about the previous trades. The
Speaker 1: Roy Williams trade was a bad one and the bad
Speaker 1: The bad part of it, though, was they paid him
Speaker 1: all that money because they had to redo his contract
Speaker 1: right away too. I don't know if he played a
Speaker 1: game before they redid the deal and gave him that.
Speaker 1: It was part of it was part of the deal,
Speaker 1: the trade. Yeah, and I know you don't give up
Speaker 1: two first round picks for one player, all right, we
Speaker 1: were stupid, Mickey, But he got hurt the first game,
Speaker 1: all right, and he only played what another year year
Speaker 1: or two years years without a quarterback? Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: and then he left. They traded him to Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: or do they cut him? I think they traded him
Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay. And he had consecutive one thousand yard
Speaker 1: receiving seasons. Yeah, so you know, you got this guy
Speaker 1: for Troy Aikman, and then Troy Aikman is injured, he
Speaker 1: gets injured, and then there's no Troy Aikman in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one for Joey Galloway. By the way. On
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, he turns twenty four in December, there you go,
Speaker 1: and Amari Cooper turned twenty four in June. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: six months difference in age. Cooper's six months older than
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. And you know what everybody's looking at next year?
Speaker 1: Fourteen million. Yeah, And that's the other thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to point out. The Raiders picked up his fifth year option,
Speaker 1: and so he is due thirteen point nine million dollars
Speaker 1: next year. Okay, but they're only paying four hundred thousand
Speaker 1: this year, so they're looking at it as a two
Speaker 1: year fourteen point four million dollars deal. Yeah, So for
Speaker 1: if it's a top flight wide receiver and he plays
Speaker 1: like that, then it's a steal for two years. But
Speaker 1: having spent a first round pick on him, they are
Speaker 1: I would imagine they are looking at him as being
Speaker 1: a long term cornerstone player for this team. Now he's
Speaker 1: Garrett said that this morning. Basically better hope so, because
Speaker 1: they use their first round picks on those cornerstone players.
Speaker 1: The difference being this is one that you're going to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on salary wise, even after
Speaker 1: the thirteen point nine million next year. But they need
Speaker 1: that wide receiver. And now the whole question is going
Speaker 1: to be is he the same receiver that everyone thought
Speaker 1: he was when he was the fourth pick in the
Speaker 1: draft four years ago and was a Pro bowler. I
Speaker 1: think this is going to be a great move for him.
Speaker 1: I really do. And again I'm I'm I'm saying this
Speaker 1: because I think he gets out of a situation in
Speaker 1: Oakland that you know clearly that the head coach didn't
Speaker 1: want him there. Okay, he comes to an organization here. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: you have some things at quarterback, you have some issues
Speaker 1: at quarterback, but he's going to have every opportunity to
Speaker 1: be the featured guy. And the one thing he's proven
Speaker 1: out is when he's been able to be the featured guy,
Speaker 1: he's been able to have some success. So I think
Speaker 1: the talent is still there. I think the ability is
Speaker 1: still there. I think the desire, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were some questions and one of my best friends,
Speaker 1: Michael Lombardi in the league, said, hey, there's some questions
Speaker 1: about whether this guy really loves football. You could watch
Speaker 1: the tape and watch him run the football and tell
Speaker 1: that he likes to play football. You can get that
Speaker 1: and some of the drops that he had, or him
Speaker 1: trying to catch the football and get up the field
Speaker 1: as fast as he can. Yeah, and there's a report
Speaker 1: today about the Raiders and Derek Carr and a fractured
Speaker 1: relationship in the locker room. I don't know if Derek
Speaker 1: Carr has been the same guy the last couple has neither. So,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just the wide receivers in terms
Speaker 1: of trying to make plays and putting the same numbers
Speaker 1: up the reference. But he had a thousand yards season
Speaker 1: each of his first two seasons in the league. So
Speaker 1: the thing that jumps out at me and I haven't
Speaker 1: watched nearly as much as Brian has. For sure his
Speaker 1: catch radius. He will go up and make tough catches.
Speaker 1: And we saw it again in the Washington game. Dak
Speaker 1: is putting balls in play that can be caught and
Speaker 1: they're not all caught, and they're catchable balls, and quarterbacks
Speaker 1: need that. All quarterbacks need that. M Deshaun Watson got
Speaker 1: it in an overtime at Houston from his top receiver.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they need. When these games that are
Speaker 1: this close and one or two plays makes the difference.
Speaker 1: Maybe this this guy can be the differences. He's a
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. But what I saw is a
Speaker 1: number one wider re saiver. And you think Jerry believes
Speaker 1: he's a number one absolute absolutely. Jerry definition that he
Speaker 1: gave last week of being a number one wide receiver
Speaker 1: was there's basically a handful of guys he considers number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. Give a number one mentioned Hilio Jones,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, you give a first round pick, you
Speaker 1: think of guy's the number one wide Yeah you're not.
Speaker 1: You're not messing around here, you know. And again I
Speaker 1: applaud them because there's so many times that we sit
Speaker 1: there and everybody out there says, oh, they don't do nothing,
Speaker 1: they don't do anything. Oh why how can they make
Speaker 1: that trade? And we can't make that trade? And then
Speaker 1: when you make the trade, when you're a little bold
Speaker 1: on making the trade, then you're like, oh, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have given that. You know, I don't subscribe to that
Speaker 1: at all. I talked to general manager friends last night.
Speaker 1: They were like, going, you know, I wouldn't have given
Speaker 1: it up. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, you know why
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have given up Because you're afraid you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose your job. That's why you don't do that. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to. I applaud people that want to be
Speaker 1: bold and try and do things. I really do. When
Speaker 1: you see something as a problem and you try to
Speaker 1: go fix it, you know, if it works, great, he
Speaker 1: fixed it. If it doesn't work, then you figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's it's the quarterback, it's the receiver. It's now you
Speaker 1: start figuring out why. You know, don't don't just sit
Speaker 1: there on your hands and let this thing just continue
Speaker 1: without a rudder, you know, go find a way to
Speaker 1: try and make it better and I think they made
Speaker 1: this football team better. They had to sacrifice something to
Speaker 1: get a player that can help them make better. I
Speaker 1: think it's funny the people that are critical. We're all
Speaker 1: for paying whatever they wanted for Earl Thomas, and now
Speaker 1: that you do this, that was me. I'm not critical
Speaker 1: to get this guy. It's like, well, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You can't do that? Yeah, you know which would be
Speaker 1: a better fixed the wide receiver or the free safety
Speaker 1: from what we've seen, and I go back to it
Speaker 1: could have been easy for the front office to just
Speaker 1: not basically admit that their direction didn't work. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's an admission of we tried something. From a
Speaker 1: personnel standpoint, they parted ways with Dez Bryant. They haven't
Speaker 1: found the production outside of Cole Beasley at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position around him, and they're trying to do something
Speaker 1: about it. Mid season. They look at the standings and say,
Speaker 1: all right, we lost this close game, but we still
Speaker 1: have four division games left. We're tied for second place.
Speaker 1: We gotta buy We got an extra week to bring
Speaker 1: this guy in and get him up to speed. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go win this division. I mean, I absolutely credit
Speaker 1: them for at least trying to do that. We'll find
Speaker 1: out if if they gave up too much, but this
Speaker 1: was probably the most glaring need on their roster right now.
Speaker 1: You find out, though, really about this quarterback you find
Speaker 1: out about him is it is it the fact that
Speaker 1: they made the decision for a committee hurting his development?
Speaker 1: That is that, you know, That's what you're gonna find out,
Speaker 1: because if this guy, this guy has the ability to
Speaker 1: get open, he has the ability to go make plays.
Speaker 1: If they can't get him going, and it's because of
Speaker 1: the quarterback, then you've saved yourself a long term of
Speaker 1: paying this guy one hundred million dollars or so. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be worth it to give up that that draft
Speaker 1: pick in the first round to figure out what this
Speaker 1: quarterback really is. You know. One of the things I
Speaker 1: forget that, Yeah, for sure, we talk about the reports
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the desire to play or whatever.
Speaker 1: One of the things that and I didn't know a
Speaker 1: whole lot about him until just starting to research him
Speaker 1: here in the last twenty four hours. He's not his
Speaker 1: personality as such, He's not the type. He's not a
Speaker 1: real outgoing type. He didn't love the cameras. He's kind
Speaker 1: of a quiet guy, which I think he could mesh
Speaker 1: very well with Dak Prescott, who has that leadership quality.
Speaker 1: I think Dak takes him under his arm a little bit.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys have terrific knowledge about this player on
Speaker 1: their own coaching staff here with Doug nuss Meyer having
Speaker 1: done the offensive coordinator at Alabama, yes, when Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: was there. Scott Lenahan is very close with Todd Downing,
Speaker 1: who was the offensive coordinator and before that the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coach with the Raiders, I'm sure, and he's now the
Speaker 1: tight ends coach in Minnesota. I'm not saying that he
Speaker 1: had consulted with Todd Downing, oh he did, but he
Speaker 1: has heard the good things I'm sure that Downing has
Speaker 1: said about Cooper over the last four years. And so
Speaker 1: they in their relationship with the Alabama coaching staff absolutely
Speaker 1: where they feel very good about what type of person
Speaker 1: that Amari Cooper is. Might be refreshing that he's not
Speaker 1: your normal wide receipt. Now that's right, that's true. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So go do your job, all right. What do you
Speaker 1: think was the tipping point on Jerry and Stephen and
Speaker 1: the organization deciding, okay, we need to go ahead and
Speaker 1: do this right now. On the heels of that game
Speaker 1: in Washington on Sunday, thirty five carries for eighty eight yards. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look into deep in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and they've got ten points once again on the road,
Speaker 1: struggling to make things work, and they got a couple
Speaker 1: of late drives going almost brought themselves back into that game.
Speaker 1: But again, it's a struggle in the passing game, particularly
Speaker 1: on the road. And I'm the one who said last week,
Speaker 1: can you bring in another guy to add to this?
Speaker 1: Is it gonna work? Maybe Michael Gallup just needs to
Speaker 1: be more involved than he is, sort of getting more
Speaker 1: involved and that's really encouraging, but clearly they felt like
Speaker 1: it we needed more more if we're gonna go try
Speaker 1: to win. Basically needs a little help out there too.
Speaker 1: And Michael Gallup is doing I think the best he
Speaker 1: can and I'm all four keep throwing him the ball five, six,
Speaker 1: seven times a game, because if he comes up with
Speaker 1: four plays, you know, this kid's finding ways to get open.
Speaker 1: I mean he is. If he could just keep running
Speaker 1: the routes the way he is and keep finishing the
Speaker 1: way they'll get him the football. But I'm like I said,
Speaker 1: I you look at this and you have to say
Speaker 1: enough enough. I'm getting tired of why and Thompson hit
Speaker 1: the ball, hit between the one and the five on
Speaker 1: his chest. You know, I'm getting tired of some of
Speaker 1: the things that I'm seeing, you know, a third and
Speaker 1: a third down play and Alan Herns drops the ball
Speaker 1: which would have been a first down. I'm getting tired
Speaker 1: of that. I need somebody to go out there and
Speaker 1: make a play for me other than Cole Beasley. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you another thing ahead, Robin Well and look Tabon.
Speaker 1: Austin's part of this thinking too, because I don't know
Speaker 1: when he's coming back. You know. They said wouldn't count
Speaker 1: on it. They said no surgery at this point, you know,
Speaker 1: but this could be a several week thing. Probably will be.
Speaker 1: And that's a guy that they haven't featured a lot.
Speaker 1: But in terms of speed and potential game breaking ability,
Speaker 1: you don't have him, then that's another piece that you're
Speaker 1: missing offensively. So they just keep wishing there. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: keep I keep wishing out five to six weeks. And
Speaker 1: that's the that's the meteor schedule. Trying to make a
Speaker 1: run here, Cooper, Gallop Beasley, that better be the committee.
Speaker 1: There you go, He's right about that. You know again,
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this out real fast. We're gonna figure
Speaker 1: this out because it's gonna it's it's it's either gonna
Speaker 1: work with this guy starts to make some plays and
Speaker 1: helps this offense and they score more points, or it's
Speaker 1: gonna go it's gonna go south, and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Okay, what do we need to do now? Then
Speaker 1: it's now on the front office, then it's now. Then
Speaker 1: they have to look at themselves and say, okay, we
Speaker 1: tried this, what do we need to do now? You say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they don't have a first round pick. Now, well, okay,
Speaker 1: you do have cap space. You do have ways to
Speaker 1: go out and manipulate some things, you know, and do
Speaker 1: some of the things. You still have the draft to
Speaker 1: work on as well. But they but they you will
Speaker 1: figure out really what needs to be done offensively by
Speaker 1: the end of the season. I promise you that. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break here and in a moment
Speaker 1: we come back. And the effect that Amari Cooper might
Speaker 1: have on this coaching staff and on the game management
Speaker 1: at the end of games when we come back. I'm
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Speaker 1: on this big trade the Cowboys mate eight eight eight
Speaker 1: eight five two nine seven. But all right. The effect
Speaker 1: that Amari Cooper has on this offense, you touched on
Speaker 1: it a little bit, The effect it has on this
Speaker 1: coaching staff going forward, What do you think with nine
Speaker 1: games left in this season, and before we get into
Speaker 1: the big picture of that, I think it will have
Speaker 1: an effect on the way Jason Garrett approaches the end
Speaker 1: of games, because I think it's going to have an
Speaker 1: effect on this offense. And I think, as we touched
Speaker 1: on yesterday a little bit, I think he hasn't had
Speaker 1: confidence in his offense to be able to score a
Speaker 1: touchdown in the last minute of a game at Washington
Speaker 1: in order to get a yard in Houston, whatever, and
Speaker 1: he felt like the defense was the strength of the
Speaker 1: team in that situation, and that's why he'd elected to
Speaker 1: punt in overtime. And I think it just opens up
Speaker 1: It has the potential of opening up things on this
Speaker 1: offense where he will be more aggressive in his approach
Speaker 1: at the end of games. What do y'all think? I
Speaker 1: totally agree. I was thinking about writing about that later
Speaker 1: today actually, because you can point back to that last
Speaker 1: drive and say, yeah, where was his confidence level on
Speaker 1: his team? Now you can agree or disagree with the
Speaker 1: decision to kind of play for that field goal, but
Speaker 1: maybe if you have a again, a true number one,
Speaker 1: you're a little more aggressive in that situation with a
Speaker 1: time out in your back pocket. What I'm getting at,
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit, is what effect does it
Speaker 1: also have on the offensive line. Okay, you had a
Speaker 1: weapon and you've got more opportunities offensively. Maybe they're not
Speaker 1: putting it in the box from kay because they've got
Speaker 1: to bring a safety over to account for the speed
Speaker 1: factor that Amari Cooper has on one side, and you're
Speaker 1: looking into a situation where you're in field goal range
Speaker 1: and you don't make the extra plays to try to
Speaker 1: get further down field because you're afraid you're going to
Speaker 1: get a holding penalty and knock yourself out of field
Speaker 1: goal range, which I think was a factor in why
Speaker 1: they settled for kicking a forty seven yard field goal
Speaker 1: At the end of the game. No one considers the downside.
Speaker 1: With twelve seconds to go, you're at the what twenty
Speaker 1: eight yard line? Thirty one yard line? Excuse me, yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty one yard twelve seconds. Okaya, your quarterback had already
Speaker 1: been sacked four times, it had been hit nine times,
Speaker 1: fumbled twice, and they had three holding penalties in a
Speaker 1: chop block. So four penalties on the offensive line, one
Speaker 1: bad play, and now you're not you're kicking a sixty
Speaker 1: yard field goal. No one considers that. Everybody, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's throw the ball into the end zone. Well, who
Speaker 1: are you throwing it too? Who do you trust? Who
Speaker 1: do you trust? The ball is not going to bounce
Speaker 1: off their hands and get intercepted. You know, there there's
Speaker 1: a downside. And do you think they were if they
Speaker 1: lined up like they were going to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: that those safeties weren't going to drop off, They would
Speaker 1: have said, okay, you know, catch the ball. Underneath, we'll
Speaker 1: tackle you. Well, what if he had to scramble around?
Speaker 1: How many times did that happen? And there it goes
Speaker 1: your twelve seconds. So I don't know who you're trusting
Speaker 1: to throw it too. Either. By the way, I think
Speaker 1: that's the bigger question. I think you know that it
Speaker 1: you know. To me, I look at the situation though
Speaker 1: you did have Cole Beasley available, because they lose Fabian
Speaker 1: Moreau on the miraculous catch that Beasley makes on third down,
Speaker 1: you just gotten hurt. He got hurt, so now you're
Speaker 1: kind of they're a little bit compromised there. So I
Speaker 1: can understand if if you wanted to play with Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley as your featured guy. The one thing I will
Speaker 1: say is the protection managed to hold up better in
Speaker 1: those last two drives. It wasn't great, but you know,
Speaker 1: and I know Prescott had to run a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but I think that was run by his own want
Speaker 1: to just try and make a play. But I think
Speaker 1: that to me, it's this guy clearly is going to
Speaker 1: help you at the end of games because he is
Speaker 1: gonna get it's going to give you another option to
Speaker 1: throw to. You're gone. Numbers He's gonna give you a
Speaker 1: guy that can can can go get the football. He
Speaker 1: got another guy in Cole Beasley that could go get
Speaker 1: the football. Before you just had one guy that can
Speaker 1: get the football and of the field and so you're
Speaker 1: taking twenty two seconds in between plays. This guy is
Speaker 1: better than Alan Hearns when it comes to getting down
Speaker 1: the field. Alan Hearns takes forever to get down the
Speaker 1: field and then and that maybe that helps you in
Speaker 1: pass protection because he's not having to hold the ball
Speaker 1: to wait for Alan Hearns to clear outs. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you know to to your point this
Speaker 1: is it helps you with a big time player on
Speaker 1: the outside that's capable of playing in a very small
Speaker 1: area too. This guy's a good small area player. The
Speaker 1: closer you get the end zone, the better this guy plays.
Speaker 1: So I'm all for that. Anything to do to get that,
Speaker 1: like say, to help the quarterback to give him more
Speaker 1: options and to potentially score more points touchdowns not field
Speaker 1: goals and things like that. But to end the game,
Speaker 1: you know, you need a guy that can go get
Speaker 1: it and make plays. And this guy's capable of doing
Speaker 1: that is Cole Beasley, and hopefully the development of the
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop will be the same way. Now you've got
Speaker 1: you got three guys in the field that can actually
Speaker 1: run Beasley with his quickness, Gallop can separate and then
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper can surely get down the field and separate two.
Speaker 1: So that helps at least to get the ball out
Speaker 1: quick enough and in the two minute offense. And yesterday
Speaker 1: we pulled up Aaron Rodgers against the Cowboys when he
Speaker 1: last year in the last minute where he matriculated down
Speaker 1: the field whatever and scored the touchdown. There was he
Speaker 1: did it a couple of weeks ago, but we just compared, Okay,
Speaker 1: how much time does it take for Aaron Rodgers to
Speaker 1: work at two minut at drill? Well, he completes a
Speaker 1: pass to Martella's been it in that game and if
Speaker 1: you look at the play by play, it took twenty
Speaker 1: two seconds because it got caught in bounds for them
Speaker 1: to run the next play, just like it did with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys after they completed the pass with whatever, went
Speaker 1: from fifty two to twenty eight before they snap the
Speaker 1: ball again. Well, the difference that Rogers has is he's
Speaker 1: got receivers on the outside. He can throw outside the
Speaker 1: numbers they get out of bounds, and now you're running
Speaker 1: plays every six seconds instead of your only receiver that
Speaker 1: you have any confidence in being Cole Beasley, who works
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, And now you got to
Speaker 1: clock it every time that you've complete a pass, and
Speaker 1: you lose your opportunities in terms of downs to be
Speaker 1: able to move the football. You said it, I mean
Speaker 1: nothing more to add to that. You're absolutely right. It's
Speaker 1: just one more weapon, one more weapon. Yeah, wait to
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams returns, throwing some sarcasm at the end too.
Speaker 1: All right, as far as the the bigger picture of
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, all right, they've added this receiver. There
Speaker 1: are there no excuses now the rest of the way
Speaker 1: this year. I think it depends out that plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're assuming you're getting Amrie Cooper from the previous two years, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not, okay, not what I'm assuming. It's what Jerry
Speaker 1: is assuming. Yeah, okay, but how are you going to
Speaker 1: get it? I wouldn't say you've invested in it now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say no more excuses because, again, especially when
Speaker 1: they're not at home, the upfront has to be better.
Speaker 1: They've got the numbers still prove it out. If Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott isn't running the ball, well they're not going to
Speaker 1: win the game. And it may not matter who. You know,
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant was still drawn attention last year. I think
Speaker 1: when Brian said in our podcast yesterday, you know, Martin
Speaker 1: Cooper is a better football player than Dez Bryant was
Speaker 1: last year. But you still had a guy that could
Speaker 1: threaten defenses last year in Dez, and teams were kind
Speaker 1: of plaining the same way down the stretch. So and
Speaker 1: a lot of that had to do with protection up front.
Speaker 1: The protection has to be better. That's you can have
Speaker 1: receivers running routes all day long, but if Dak's getting
Speaker 1: hit and hit and having to go into medical tent
Speaker 1: for you know, a potential concussion as he scrambling around,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be as efficient as you need
Speaker 1: to be. And so there's other part. I guess that's
Speaker 1: my question about this trade is there's I don't feel
Speaker 1: like they're one player or a way right now. I
Speaker 1: think there's more that's got to be fixed with this
Speaker 1: offense Before you say, hey, all they gotta do is
Speaker 1: get a receiver and they're good to go. They need
Speaker 1: to go get a tight end. Now, well, we'll see
Speaker 1: what Swain's injury situation is. Yeah, he's got an extra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all four were actives. Would you say it was Mickey
Speaker 1: a bruise? It looked like it was. He thought it
Speaker 1: was a bruise. He said, I got hit on the knee.
Speaker 1: So he didn't say that's encouraging. Yeah, he you know,
Speaker 1: it was a ligament or anything. And I could see
Speaker 1: his knee and swallowing up. And he was supposed to
Speaker 1: get an MRI probably today or after. He walked around
Speaker 1: that end. But he walked around the museum. He was there.
Speaker 1: He went up the steps to the Lincoln Memorial for
Speaker 1: the picture. So hey, he just put some tape on
Speaker 1: the play guy. Though he is a guy. He is
Speaker 1: a tough guy. Those guys were coming up the steps,
Speaker 1: Taco Dragon. It's like, come on, you're twenty four years
Speaker 1: old or whatever. Really, I'm tired. Really, yeah, did you
Speaker 1: play the football game? Did you play the day before?
Speaker 1: H did you play the day before? Hey, I'm forty
Speaker 1: years older than he is. Doesn't compare no problems walking
Speaker 1: up the steps? Can I can I finish your point
Speaker 1: for YouTube? Right? You know? I think that there's I
Speaker 1: think that everything will be evaluated at the end. I
Speaker 1: think that the decision the front office will have to
Speaker 1: look at themselves for what the decisions they made earlier
Speaker 1: in the season. I think they'll have to be evaluated
Speaker 1: for the decisions they're made right now. They're they're trying
Speaker 1: their best to not just sit on their hands, like
Speaker 1: I said, and make a make a bold call to
Speaker 1: make this work. I think they're trying to help the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to help the head coach and
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator as well. I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: more importantly help the running back so he can have
Speaker 1: an opportunity. They can't be as one dimensional as they
Speaker 1: are because we've seen what happens there. So you know,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that you know as
Speaker 1: a coaching staff, you know, Okay, management made a bold
Speaker 1: move for us to try and win games. We have
Speaker 1: to do our very best to try and win those games.
Speaker 1: So whatever game plans that they can come up. You know,
Speaker 1: there's been some times where I think they've done a
Speaker 1: great job, you know, putting players in position to make plays.
Speaker 1: Just haven't had guys make a lot of plays. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why you go out and add Amari Cooper because
Speaker 1: you're tired of watching guys not make plays when you
Speaker 1: get them set up. Now, have they had their faults
Speaker 1: or absolutely have had their faults. But this is an evaluation,
Speaker 1: an ongoing evaluation. I don't think anything's changed. I don't
Speaker 1: think anything. I don't think it's any more pressure or
Speaker 1: any more or less pressure. I just think it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we have to do right now to
Speaker 1: see if we can if we can turn this around
Speaker 1: to having some some offensive success. And if they don't
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, then they're going to
Speaker 1: have to say, all right, this didn't work. This didn't work,
Speaker 1: this didn't work. And then that's where you go, as
Speaker 1: a general manager or on office. You go and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to fix all these things. And I can
Speaker 1: hear people right now in my ears saying, well, the
Speaker 1: general manager needs to be fixed, you know, I can
Speaker 1: I can hear that. Okay, it's not going to happen
Speaker 1: that way. It's just not. So you know, whatever you
Speaker 1: have to do to make this work, you know, figure
Speaker 1: it out. Here's a question I have, and Bill, you
Speaker 1: brought this up last week, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: a good point because we were talking about the opportunity
Speaker 1: possibility of trading for a wide receiver. They play Tennessee
Speaker 1: out of the bye and then they play Philly on
Speaker 1: the road, and that starts a stretch of four games
Speaker 1: in eighteen days, and that's you know, that's a lot
Speaker 1: packed into a month. Do you feel like a veteran
Speaker 1: receiver like Cooper can come in and you know, pick
Speaker 1: this thing up and there won't be a transition. Keep
Speaker 1: it and keep in mind the schedule because a lot
Speaker 1: of people think, well, they got the bye week this week,
Speaker 1: and then Nick, well here's the schedule this week. They're
Speaker 1: practicing for one hour tomorrow and one hour on Thursday
Speaker 1: and then they're off all weekend. Yeah, the Maori Cooper
Speaker 1: will stay around and try and think, now, let's he's
Speaker 1: coming in today. Yeah, what to your point, Bill, what
Speaker 1: you said about he's in Scotland Hahn's system. If you
Speaker 1: look at what you know Downing and those guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been and then you know that that's where Doug
Speaker 1: Nusmar knows the player, and then you get you know
Speaker 1: the fact that this guy has started played through his
Speaker 1: early part of his career. This new system with grew
Speaker 1: and I mean three years prior to that he was
Speaker 1: playing in Scotland. Hahn's system basically is what he was doing.
Speaker 1: So I don't think this learning curve is going to
Speaker 1: be huge for this guy. And I think I just
Speaker 1: I just see this as being a where he gets
Speaker 1: out of Oakland, a very toxic situation there right now,
Speaker 1: where that locker room clearly is looking at each other
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, who's next, Who's next? You know, that
Speaker 1: is a hard way to operate. Here, he comes, it's
Speaker 1: a second chance, it's an opportunity, you know, to come
Speaker 1: in here and be a number one receiver, which he
Speaker 1: can be. And this team is playing for something still,
Speaker 1: even though he's three and four. Absolutely, if he can play,
Speaker 1: he can play. There's no question. I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1: Oh we're not on the same page. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's that's what you say when the guy can't play.
Speaker 1: That's what you say when the quarterback done. Well, he
Speaker 1: just got here, you know, and he needs time to
Speaker 1: get on in the same page. Yeah, Matt Castle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he needs time. No, he was terrible, Well he was,
Speaker 1: it's not he's not incorrect. Yeah right, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: all what's he done since? See that's what you say.
Speaker 1: That's your evaluation that you make as still in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you make your evaluation. Yeah, these guys that they can
Speaker 1: act like they can win are always going to be
Speaker 1: in the league. But that's where you know, your evaluation
Speaker 1: overall is. You know, it's the front office. You have
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, did we do everything. If I'm the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, I'm at least I'm at least happy that
Speaker 1: they tried to do something. You know, if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work and then they make a change at coaching on
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, you can walk away and say that's
Speaker 1: not my problem. You know, when you're when you're in
Speaker 1: another team and you know you're sitting in a draft
Speaker 1: room and you're like, well Dallas didn't have a one. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not my problem. It's somebody else's problem. So that's
Speaker 1: why you're on the table saying, Jason, should you know
Speaker 1: pound the table and say I get I was arguing.
Speaker 1: I was arguing, and Mickey and I were going back
Speaker 1: and forth about this, and I felt like he made
Speaker 1: some really good points about the whole thing with you know,
Speaker 1: with Earl Thomas. I was from the art. I was
Speaker 1: from the argument side of the coaches, where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get me as many proven players as I can play with.
Speaker 1: And I understand what Mickey was saying, what what costs
Speaker 1: Brian and what cost? I get that I understand, But
Speaker 1: also I'm trying to look at it from the coaching perspective.
Speaker 1: You know what, they could sit there and say we're
Speaker 1: not getting you anybody, We're not going to help you
Speaker 1: at all. And the fact that they sacrifice the first
Speaker 1: round pick to try and help us ought to make
Speaker 1: you get in your office and get your ass in
Speaker 1: gear and try and figure this thing out. Well, and
Speaker 1: how about the effect on the players. I mean, defense
Speaker 1: is playing at a championship level. You're showing, You're showing,
Speaker 1: You're showing your team locker room. You are absolutely you're
Speaker 1: absolutely showing your team that you know what, A, we're
Speaker 1: supporting the coach, that b we're supporting you. If they
Speaker 1: if you know, players get on that plane and bus
Speaker 1: and whatever, and there's like, God, if we could just
Speaker 1: get some offense, if we could in Zeke's probably, if
Speaker 1: we could just get the ball in the end and
Speaker 1: Daks thinking if I just could throw it to you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a commitment. They could have just
Speaker 1: packed this thing in and said, okay, boys six and ten,
Speaker 1: here we come. We're gonna take this twelfth overall pick
Speaker 1: and go get somebody by everybody. They didn't. They're not
Speaker 1: doing that players. I think players recognize talent better than
Speaker 1: anyone else. They know question when they play against these
Speaker 1: guys who can play who can't. And I'll guarantee you
Speaker 1: they're excited about this move. They played against him because
Speaker 1: they know and and you know, in the offseason, think about,
Speaker 1: you know what they acquired. Did they acquire anything that
Speaker 1: gave this offense juice? Like everybody got excited, and yes, boy,
Speaker 1: what did we bring in? You brought in a swing tackle?
Speaker 1: And I've seen it happen before when you don't know
Speaker 1: what you've gotten in the draft, and you didn't, you
Speaker 1: didn't bring in any juice. Like everybody's fired. They'll say
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin though, no, and you know he has to
Speaker 1: be brought up because in camp everybody said, wow, this
Speaker 1: guy can make plays as an outside receiver, you know,
Speaker 1: and and but what happened he got fifth you know,
Speaker 1: maybe less than twenty snaps a game and then he
Speaker 1: got hurt. Yeah, but he wasn't he wasn't signed him.
Speaker 1: It was somebody. Yeah, and you know, right when they
Speaker 1: signed ring was really excited until he got on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Herns, I mean, Jacksonville needed receivers and they didn't
Speaker 1: keep them. They let him go, you know, and they oh,
Speaker 1: well he's been hurt. Okay, he's been hurt, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't hurt all the time. The problem with Herns Mickey
Speaker 1: is he's got no juice. Yeah, he's he could see
Speaker 1: it in the game. Yes, he runs, he runs in mud.
Speaker 1: Now now you you there's some things that he can do.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's something we've seen him makes some plays.
Speaker 1: He hasn't made nearly enough plays, but he's got no juice.
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin's got juice, but he doesn't make enough places
Speaker 1: or they don't put him out there to make enough plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's almost treated as they give him a little package
Speaker 1: of plays every game. And you know, if I'm if, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm the if I'm the general manager,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Scott Lindhand, I'm like, okay, listen, this
Speaker 1: is what happened. This is what happened this way. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't help you here. I didn't help here. I
Speaker 1: try to help you here, but you know now I'm
Speaker 1: going to really try and help here. No, trust me.
Speaker 1: I've sat with Jerry Jones when he didn't have a
Speaker 1: first round pick for two years. I sat there and
Speaker 1: watched that happen. Okay, this is not pretty in that
Speaker 1: draft room. For him to make this decision took a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot. And if you don't think he's trying to
Speaker 1: help Dak Prescott and help Jason Garrett and this coaching
Speaker 1: staff and this football team, then you're you're you need
Speaker 1: to follow some other teams, no questions, especially especially with
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones having more and more influence than Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: Love's draft picks. They valued the draft more than anything.
Speaker 1: Look at how young this roster is, and it's built
Speaker 1: largely through the draft, and it's built pretty well through
Speaker 1: the draft. So yeah, you're you're parting with one of
Speaker 1: your best. You're saying he's given it five years of
Speaker 1: control for a chance to try and help this football team.
Speaker 1: Right or wrong? Is a cowboy fan If you're out
Speaker 1: there ripping their ass for this. Shame on you, you know,
Speaker 1: shame on you for thinking that way. They're trying to
Speaker 1: win games for you right now. They're trying to go
Speaker 1: out and get a player that can potentially make a
Speaker 1: difference and maybe help your quarterback from being like in
Speaker 1: the dark ages throwing the football in the way. They're
Speaker 1: gonna look at it now. They just got their first
Speaker 1: round draft pick six months early, and that's the way
Speaker 1: they view it. Let's see, let's see at about for
Speaker 1: some guys the same age and the fact that he's
Speaker 1: got three and a half years of experience. It's not
Speaker 1: like a rookie receiver coming in. Nothing too kind of.
Speaker 1: I read all those names yesterday. I read all. I
Speaker 1: read them all. Figure it out. DeVante Parker, Nelson Aguilar
Speaker 1: for Shot Perriman all right, Corey Coleman, I think he's
Speaker 1: on a practice squad right now. Will Fuller Houston really
Speaker 1: hasn't developed very much there. They've got a big tim
Speaker 1: Josh Dodson. How many years has he been having to
Speaker 1: try to develop? They're still waiting for him. The Kwan treadwell.
Speaker 1: Think Mike Zimmer's real happy right now with him looking
Speaker 1: at that big son of a gun standing they're not
Speaker 1: making needy plays. They drafted him, you know, he's still
Speaker 1: hadn't made a play. Corey Davis will see him at Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Think I had his first touchdown catch like two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Williams, John Ross, John Ross, I think
Speaker 1: he has played three games with Cincinnati. Okay, don't tell
Speaker 1: me about this, right And you did draft one in
Speaker 1: the third round this year. That's got some promise, probably
Speaker 1: better than everybody I named right there. It's got a
Speaker 1: lot of promise, probably better than everybody I named. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you can find a way to get
Speaker 1: him going and get this guy that you traded for
Speaker 1: going and continue on with Cole Beasley, you have a chance.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, then at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: we could all sit down and say, Okay, this needs
Speaker 1: to be done, This needs to be done, and this
Speaker 1: needs right now. You're playing to try and win football games,
Speaker 1: all right, real quick. Let's go to NEBBI and Silver Spring, Maryland. NEBBI.
Speaker 1: How you doing uh uh uh uh, I'm doing well. Uh.
Speaker 1: Today's my birthday, Happy birthday. Well, no way to go,
Speaker 1: and you know what we we really appreciated you coming
Speaker 1: and visiting with us Saturday night at the hotel. Got
Speaker 1: a picture, We posted a picture with listen. I realized
Speaker 1: that we needed help at receiver, but I think we
Speaker 1: gave up too much to acquire u Amari Cooper because
Speaker 1: depending on how Dak Prescott uh plays the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, we uh uh uh uh we may uh
Speaker 1: uh uh uh uh uh to draft a new starting
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I take care, thanks for being patient with me,
Speaker 1: and have a great week. Nebbe. That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, birthday. Yeah, that's a great point. And when
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Speaker 1: to the pros here at the Star, are you referring
Speaker 1: to players or referring to the four people in here?
Speaker 1: You get your pros? Huh? You get paid to do
Speaker 1: this job, then you're a professional. You're not an amateur.
Speaker 1: Amen to that first definition of the term pros from
Speaker 1: Mickey's Spagnolas. What depends on which category you're approach. Fisherman too,
Speaker 1: mister scout over here. Brian brought us this from Joe's
Speaker 1: Alito on Twitter. From guys, I have watched Antonio. From guys,
Speaker 1: I have watched Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper and Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: are in a class of their own and route running,
Speaker 1: so it's a winning move when you analyze all the variables,
Speaker 1: how would you rank Amari Cooper among the best wide
Speaker 1: receivers in the league. But when you watch him play, though,
Speaker 1: the thing that stands out is his ability, you know,
Speaker 1: the ability to go get the football. You know, whether
Speaker 1: it's in traffic, whether it's coming across the field, whether
Speaker 1: it's going down the signs. If you have an opportunity today,
Speaker 1: sit down and watch him play against Kansas City last
Speaker 1: year in late in season, in that game, and you
Speaker 1: get an idea. I mean, this guy, the opportunities that
Speaker 1: he's had this season or not as many as quality
Speaker 1: opportunities as he had last season when he was playing.
Speaker 1: I think the Gruden switch really hurt him as far.
Speaker 1: But when you look at him as a route runner,
Speaker 1: you look at him as ability to come across the field,
Speaker 1: you look at his ability to get vertical, you look
Speaker 1: at his ability to separate, you know, the the way
Speaker 1: that he's you know, the inside routes, the things that
Speaker 1: he could do. He runs routes at all levels of
Speaker 1: the field. This is not a guy that's just going
Speaker 1: to run up the field and he'll throw the ball
Speaker 1: down the field and hope for the best. This guy
Speaker 1: catches screens, he catches slants, he catches digs, he catches
Speaker 1: option routes. I mean, there's all kinds of things that
Speaker 1: you can do with this guy. And I and I
Speaker 1: felt like that the first couple of years, and especially
Speaker 1: again looking back at two and seventeen. He's a X receiver,
Speaker 1: I mean, but he could play like a Z where
Speaker 1: you can move him around and do something. So I
Speaker 1: think the route running is fine. He the one thing
Speaker 1: he is, he's smart to know what coverages are because
Speaker 1: you'll see him when he when he's going inside and
Speaker 1: they're playing zone, he'll sit down and catch a ball.
Speaker 1: Or if they're playing man and they're trailing him, he'll
Speaker 1: take off running and just keep going on the play
Speaker 1: to catch the football. So as far as I just
Speaker 1: I see a very talented player that you can you
Speaker 1: know you got, Like Micky said earlier, if you're going
Speaker 1: eleven personnel and you've put out there, you put out
Speaker 1: there Maury Cooper, Michael Gallop and then Cole Beasley. Now
Speaker 1: you're now you're creating some opportunity. Now you're creating you're
Speaker 1: giving your quarterback options to throw the football too. And
Speaker 1: I I just I just I love this guy and
Speaker 1: ability to go in and just go and get the football.
Speaker 1: That's That's the one thing that bothers me about the
Speaker 1: receivers that they have here. Nobody's going and getting the football.
Speaker 1: Everybody's waiting for the ball to get to them. They
Speaker 1: need they need a mean sob to go in there
Speaker 1: and just take balls away from people and you know,
Speaker 1: and keep these chains moving. We're starting to see that
Speaker 1: with Gallup. You know, he made a contested catch early
Speaker 1: against the last home game I was Jacksonville. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a big aggressive you know, go up and get
Speaker 1: it play, almost had a touchdown. But you're right, you
Speaker 1: need more of that. I'm curious to see what the
Speaker 1: rotation is now. You know who cares about the rotation? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just asking what you know our Hearns and Thompson
Speaker 1: gonna get much now at all? Or you are? You
Speaker 1: are we rolling with these three guys Thompson. Thompson does
Speaker 1: nothing for me, He's done nothing for me. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just asking because we've talked your throat. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying we talked about trying to pair this thing down,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is the move that pairs it down.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, play with those three guys and then play
Speaker 1: with Swaying. It tied in, you know, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: got four guys who can catch the balls. Maybe it Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that gaming against Kansas City, it
Speaker 1: was the first meeting between the Raiders in Kansas City
Speaker 1: last year. He had eleven catches for two hundred and
Speaker 1: ten yards and two touchdowns, nineteen targets in that game. Capable,
Speaker 1: very capable player there. He was hurt against Dallas, didn't
Speaker 1: play and didn't play, No, didn't playing around that same time.
Speaker 1: It was the later game against Kansas City, which he
Speaker 1: must have got hurt in that game because he only
Speaker 1: had one target game. See the thing about it is
Speaker 1: he he got this concuss this year. He got a
Speaker 1: concussion against Seattle. The game was played in London, and
Speaker 1: he got a cushion going inside catching the football and
Speaker 1: got whacked by the safety. But he went in there
Speaker 1: and got the football. You know. So to me, I'm trying,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to get offense. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to move the football. I'm trying not to be stuck
Speaker 1: in the mud and scoring ten thirteen points every every
Speaker 1: time I go out there on the road, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to go out there and find guys that can make plays.
Speaker 1: This guy's a capable playmaker. If it works, it works.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, then again, go figure out what
Speaker 1: else you need to do. But it will say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: don't have a first round picks beer. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's other avenues to help your football team. Two games
Speaker 1: this year he had a hundred yards. One was at
Speaker 1: Denver ten receptions on ten targets for one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen yards, and then two weeks later against Cleveland, eight
Speaker 1: receptions one hundred twenty eight yards and a touchdown on
Speaker 1: twelve targets. We'd kill for a cowboy receiver to have behind.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kill. It's a bad word. Sorry, Love
Speaker 1: to have, love to have a receiver that even gets
Speaker 1: close to getting a hundred yards. It'd be nice. Nice
Speaker 1: to have a guy to have a threat to has
Speaker 1: one hundred yards out there. Right, it's been just Beasley
Speaker 1: and that's it. And on a couple of occasions, and
Speaker 1: that's been it, all right. You alluded to it early
Speaker 1: in the show. Nebbie just brought it up. The effect
Speaker 1: on the quarterback and the decision they will eventually have
Speaker 1: to make on the quarterback here in the next year
Speaker 1: and a half. What does this do. It's gotta it's
Speaker 1: either gonna it's gonna help him. They're gonna see that
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah, okay, we made a mistake and going
Speaker 1: by committee, we got a number one receiver. We can
Speaker 1: throw him the football. He's reliable. He catches seven to
Speaker 1: eight passes a game. He gets close to one hundred yards.
Speaker 1: You know, we get a touchdown at him. Okay, now
Speaker 1: we can see, Okay, the quarterback can make throws. He
Speaker 1: can throw the dig, he can throw the slant, he
Speaker 1: could throw the vertical routes, he could throw the option routes.
Speaker 1: I mean you start to see, okay, he can make
Speaker 1: these plays. If he can't hit a guy that's open
Speaker 1: and this guy gets open, now it's about okay. We've
Speaker 1: saved ourselves one hundred million dollars on a quarterback. Hey,
Speaker 1: take forget about the two fumbles. Whatever. How did y'all
Speaker 1: think Dak played in that game? Showed a lot of guts.
Speaker 1: I thought so too, I said last night when we
Speaker 1: did the show. He was the best quarterback on the field.
Speaker 1: He was the best player. He was the best player
Speaker 1: on the field, I thought, in the first half of
Speaker 1: that game, and he was swelve out of fifteen throwing
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty yards or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I think what they might have seen out of Dak
Speaker 1: throwing the football in that game also gave them that
Speaker 1: That solidified the thought that hey, we let's pull this
Speaker 1: trigger on this got to get protection though exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he might not see everything down the field,
Speaker 1: but half the time he's having to look at the
Speaker 1: frigging rush right in his face. Look what happened when
Speaker 1: he had time on the touchdown pass to gallop. He
Speaker 1: had time to look off the safety on the right
Speaker 1: side and then come back to the left and let
Speaker 1: that route develop. Those routes just don't magically develop. It
Speaker 1: takes time. And he had time to step into the throw.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what, you want him step up and
Speaker 1: into Ryan Carrigan all the time. Yeah, he was trying
Speaker 1: to God Almighty, Yeah, he's gotta have some time. In
Speaker 1: the two minute drill. He was thrown over the top
Speaker 1: of some people too, Yes, because it wasn't clean. It
Speaker 1: was not clean, and he made some throws that throw
Speaker 1: to Beasley. He had, he had Preston Smith right in
Speaker 1: his face. Now, if you want to tell me there's
Speaker 1: there's there's some issues now, left tackle, you know there's
Speaker 1: some issues over it. Right tackle, I'm gonna agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with you. You know, we we we
Speaker 1: came out of here saying, hey, hang your hat on
Speaker 1: this offensive line. Hang your hat on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: The offensive line is letting you down. Now in games.
Speaker 1: Why they thought they could go with the rotation that
Speaker 1: receiver they had and run the football was because of
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, they thought Dak would have time to
Speaker 1: spread it around, and he hasn't, especially on the road.
Speaker 1: I think. Also, and you simplify the personnel groupings and everything,
Speaker 1: that's going to help the quarterback finding open receivers too.
Speaker 1: I mean, just put guys out there that can get open,
Speaker 1: and put guys out of the field that can finish.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. Give me a guy that can finish,
Speaker 1: you know, me a guy that when you throw him
Speaker 1: the ball, it's he catches and he goes up the field.
Speaker 1: It's a you know, extra eight ten yards physical run.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what that number eighty eight used to do.
Speaker 1: In his heyday, he was a catch it finished, physical,
Speaker 1: get everybody going. No one wanted to tackle him. Nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to tackle that guy. This guy's six one, two eleven.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's go back. I mean, I can't heer
Speaker 1: what game it was I was watching him. I gotta
Speaker 1: they were all he catches a ball on the on
Speaker 1: the seven yard line and he's now powering his way
Speaker 1: to the three. And now he gets all those big
Speaker 1: bodies behind and they push him into the end zone.
Speaker 1: Give me that mean, nasty s ob and I think
Speaker 1: this guy could be that if we just can find
Speaker 1: a way to get him the football. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the quarterback to do that. All right, here's a
Speaker 1: little softball for Mickey as we wrap up, because I
Speaker 1: can't hit a fastball. I haven't I haven't heard him.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard his reaction into the penalty on lp
Speaker 1: lettuce are at the end of the game. The volume
Speaker 1: down on my head said, right, yes, I did. When
Speaker 1: I when I did my fan report, I called the
Speaker 1: guy number seventy four, I said number seventy four killed him.
Speaker 1: How does a guy see that far away and make
Speaker 1: that call? That's his job. He is the line judge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well there's a guy looking right in at the burner.
Speaker 1: I know that guy. He's number Yeah, that guy looking
Speaker 1: in his protectives or his last name is Burns. That
Speaker 1: guy right there was right on top of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he could see what's going on. But no, this
Speaker 1: guy thirty yards away said, oh, so the question the
Speaker 1: question I got, and thanks for doing this. Keep that
Speaker 1: music going. If the guy hadn't jumped off sides, would
Speaker 1: he have made that call? No? Absolutely not right, what
Speaker 1: do you have he even noticed it? No, no, not
Speaker 1: at all. So then why do you have to have illusions?
Speaker 1: You know, don't make stuff up? Call what you see? Ye,
Speaker 1: thank you? No, keep going, man, keep going. When you
Speaker 1: think about the prospects that the that the Redskins coach
Speaker 1: is alerted the officials ahead of the game that to
Speaker 1: be looking for this, well the coach, the official on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys sideline made the call. Yeah, that's what's amazing.
Speaker 1: So he was standing right in front of Garrett. And
Speaker 1: you know what, if I was the head coach, I
Speaker 1: would have cost us fifteen more yards. They would have
Speaker 1: had to carry me off the field. You might have
Speaker 1: been like held for hitting the official. I might have been.
Speaker 1: It might have been like Switzer, I would have not
Speaker 1: left see this. I would have been out at midfield
Speaker 1: chewing his But this is the problem. And if you
Speaker 1: go back and watch LP Latticeur throughout his career, and
Speaker 1: he's had a long, successful career, he always adjusts the football.
Speaker 1: He always you go back. I watched, and I even
Speaker 1: went back and watched. I watched what Sundberg, the Center
Speaker 1: for Washington was doing. You know, the only thing LP
Speaker 1: Laudisur did was when he when he puts the ball
Speaker 1: on the point and then puts it flat. They moved
Speaker 1: when he put the ball flat, and that was to
Speaker 1: get his guide hand on and that's what usually does.
Speaker 1: And his argument was, you have to move it a
Speaker 1: little bit to get your hand underneath it to snap it.
Speaker 1: But as long as it doesn't leave the ground, which
Speaker 1: did he didn't pick it up. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 1: that's it's never there's difference, and he's never been called
Speaker 1: for the same thing. He laid the ball down before
Speaker 1: he snapped it, and that's when the guy the jump.
Speaker 1: He didn't jump until that secondhand came on. And I
Speaker 1: think during that time out with twelve seconds left, the
Speaker 1: Redskin coaches told the Redskin players to jump and think
Speaker 1: that they would get it because we don't care about
Speaker 1: too much credit. That was the only way they were
Speaker 1: getting the call is if they jump. Oh, it influenced
Speaker 1: the refs, sure did, of course. Like I said, the
Speaker 1: guy who is responsible burns the official there in the birds,
Speaker 1: if you're watching right now with us, his job is
Speaker 1: to make sure that nobody lines up over the nose
Speaker 1: of LP latticer, then he and then he's protected. He
Speaker 1: did not, and he is standing four feet away from
Speaker 1: that and did not. And I guarantee you that gentleman
Speaker 1: has seen hundreds of extra points and field goals and
Speaker 1: has probably never ever ever made that call. I might
Speaker 1: have strangled the guy when he get walking by me.
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