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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news Tonight, two Kansas moms ambushed on a remote

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma road, left behind multiple pools of blood and a

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Speaker 2: broken hammer found beside Mommy's empty car. Tonight, a bone

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Speaker 2: chilling discovery. Investigators follow cell phone pings to find a

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Speaker 2: horrific hole ten feet deep, the two moms at the bottom,

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Speaker 2: covered in a massive amount of dirt, cement chunks, and

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Speaker 2: hey were the moms buried alive?

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Speaker 1: Overnight, a fifth suspect arrested.

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Speaker 2: In the murders of the two Kansas moms, another so

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Speaker 2: called member of the cult God's Misfits. Good evening, I mean, see, Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Paul Gryce arrest in the murders of Veronica Butler and

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Speaker 3: Jillian Kelly. Grice mentioned as an accomplice in the first

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Speaker 3: days of the investigation, but investigators interviewed him and let

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Speaker 3: him go. After court documents are released, however, police arrest

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Speaker 3: thirty one year old Grice. According to court documents, Gris

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Speaker 3: was part of God's Misfits alongside Tiffany Adams and the

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Speaker 3: other suspects, Cole and Cora Twombly. Allegedly blocked the road,

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Speaker 3: diverting Butler and Kelly to where Adams, Tad Cullum, and

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Speaker 3: Grice were waiting. Documents also reveal Gris claims he's not

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Speaker 3: a citizen of the USA. He claims that he is

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Speaker 3: not a sovereign citizen. He's not a resident, employee or

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Speaker 3: citizen of the United States Government. He goes on to

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Speaker 3: say that I hereby asserveate repudier and revoke my citizenship

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Speaker 3: if any ever existed with the legal fiction known as

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Speaker 3: the United States Government, USA, Inc. And any and all

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Speaker 3: subsidiary corporations, State, County City. He also claims that he

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Speaker 3: is a living soul living under God's law and his

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Speaker 2: Living under God's law and God's grace alone. I'm not

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Speaker 2: so sure how God feels about murdering two defenseless mothers

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Speaker 2: on their way to a kid's birthday party.

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Speaker 1: That said, let's talk about what we.

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Speaker 2: Know right now, in addition to a ten foot hole,

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Speaker 2: how long did that take?

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Speaker 1: Talk about premeditation under the law.

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Speaker 2: A ten foot hole found by investigators as they follow

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Speaker 2: cell phone pings, only to find the bodies of these

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Speaker 2: two mothers at the bottom, covered in it's got to

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Speaker 2: be a ton of dirt cement chunks and smoothed over

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Speaker 2: with Hey were the mom's dead before they were thrown

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Speaker 2: into the hole. Also in the last hours overnight and

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Speaker 2: arrest of a fifth suspect, who is Paul Grice, a

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Speaker 2: young man in his thirties, we are learning that he

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Speaker 2: claims he's not a citizen.

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Speaker 1: Of the US.

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Speaker 2: Really, then what's he doing in Oklahoma and Kansas? Not

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Speaker 2: a resident, not an employee? Does that mean he doesn't

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Speaker 2: He says, I a serveate his word, not mine, repudiate

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Speaker 2: and revoke my citizenship with the legal fiction known as

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Speaker 2: the US government, Oh dear, and claims he is a

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Speaker 2: living soul.

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Speaker 1: Okay with me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we know right now?

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Speaker 2: Paul Grice, what does he have to do with this scenario?

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Speaker 2: I want to go first to Lauren Conlin, investigative journalist

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Speaker 2: who's been on the case from the beginning, host of

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Speaker 2: the wildly popular Outlier podcast.

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Speaker 1: Lauren, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Who is Paul gry and how the hey does he

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Speaker 2: fit in with these four other wing nuts that kill

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Speaker 2: two unarmed mommies.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Lauren Conlin.

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Speaker 4: So when the arrest affidavits came out for all four suspects,

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Speaker 4: there was a fifth suspect named by the witness, by

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Speaker 4: the sixteen year old witness, and this was Paul Grice.

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Speaker 4: So I started digging and I ended up finding these

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Speaker 4: insane land records, and Nancy, I want to point out

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Speaker 4: there are forty four pages of this gobbledegook nonsense that

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Speaker 4: he actually addressed to the Secretary of.

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Speaker 5: State Anthony Blincoln.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he actually sent this to him,

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Speaker 4: but it was addressed to him. And so Paul Grice,

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Speaker 4: he was said to be at the scene of the

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Speaker 4: murders with Tiffany Adams line.

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Speaker 2: I'm holding it his manifesto that he sends to blanken.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when somebody has the.

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Speaker 2: Time to write a manifesto like this decrying the US

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Speaker 2: government and more, he's got time for a job.

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Speaker 1: What does this guy do? Who is this guy? Do

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Speaker 1: you know that?

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Speaker 4: Bled by a few sources, he could be a farmer,

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Speaker 4: But I can't confirm that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that tells me that he may very well not

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Speaker 2: have a job. And frankly, if he's got time to

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he's holding on a full time job.

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Speaker 2: Guys, did this whole thing stem from a custody dispute?

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Speaker 2: The grandma in this scenario may she rot in Hell

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Speaker 2: apparently was so enraged that her daughter in law, this

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Speaker 2: is Tiffany Michelle Adams, aged fifty four, so enraged her

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Speaker 2: daughter in law, whom she hated with all of her heart,

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Speaker 2: was going to get supervised visits or visits, not supervised

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Speaker 2: visits every Saturday.

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Speaker 1: She was so enraged by the.

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Speaker 2: own children, that she hatches a murder plot. Now she

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Speaker 2: ropes in her boyfriend Tad Cohen, and she ropes in

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Speaker 2: you at the get go, just break it down really simply, Lauren,

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Speaker 2: he was mentioned the new guy, Paul Grace aged thirty

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Speaker 2: one in the very beginning in the affidavits that he

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Speaker 2: was around and took part in the planning and part

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Speaker 2: of the execution of the murder plot.

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Speaker 1: We knew that at the beginning. What took so long

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Speaker 1: to arrest him? Yeah, that is the question. Because he

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Speaker 1: It stated on.

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Speaker 4: The affidavit, the new one that came out yesterday, that

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Speaker 4: he was interviewed only on the twenty third of April,

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Speaker 4: and then he was arrested yesterday on the twenty fourth.

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Speaker 4: I think all of us are wondering this. And in addition,

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Speaker 4: the affidavit also stated that Tiffany Adams bought five stun guns,

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Speaker 4: so we know all five suspects had them and we're

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Speaker 4: a part of this horrific, horrific act.

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Speaker 2: That's very important because by buying five stun guns at

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Speaker 2: the outset, and I guarantee you the state is going

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Speaker 2: to have surveillance video of her going in and out

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Speaker 2: of that gun store.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they will.

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Speaker 2: The fact that she bought five at the beginning tells

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Speaker 2: me that there were five cohorts, five suspects to start with.

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Speaker 1: Guys, in the last.

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Speaker 2: Hours, we learn of and arrest of a fifth suspect,

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Speaker 2: What if anything, did he have to do with the

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Speaker 2: entire scenario. We're learning a lot about Gryce, specifically that

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Speaker 2: he claims to be a member of the cult group

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Speaker 2: God's Misfits.

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Speaker 3: Listen, the OSBI determines the sect of God's Misfits includes

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Speaker 3: Tiffany Adams, Tad Cullum, Paul Grece, Cora Swombley, Cold Twombly,

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Speaker 3: Barry Cook, and Lacey Cook, and is anti government with

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Speaker 3: a religious affiliation, hosting weekly meetings at Twombly's and Cook's residences.

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Speaker 3: The leader of God's Misfits is in South Carolina, a

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Speaker 3: man who goes by the name Squirrel. He says the

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Speaker 3: murder suspects are not affiliated with him or his group,

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Speaker 3: and he has no relationship with them without equivocation, Squirrel says,

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Speaker 3: the God that I serve condemned such hate.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is the founder of God's Misfits,

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Speaker 2: who goes only by the name Squirrel. Mister Squirrel, why

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Speaker 2: do you say these people that are holding weekly God's

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Speaker 2: Misfit group meetings in their homes are not part of

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Speaker 2: your group, God's Misfits.

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Speaker 6: So I've just recently learned we're international national, which for national,

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Speaker 6: it's just minimal life.

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Speaker 7: And it was just me before I remarried. If people

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Speaker 7: actually go on my Facebook.

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Speaker 6: And website and everything and read, they realize I'm not

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Speaker 6: in with that kind of hate, and I tell you

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Speaker 6: something else. Scripture says that whoever takes God's name in

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Speaker 6: vain will not be held countless. They have taken God's

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Speaker 6: name in vain. When they have taken God's name owned

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Speaker 6: their heinous, demonic, hateful act, This is a hate crime.

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Speaker 7: And no, I don't have a chapter. Why would I

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Speaker 7: have a chapter.

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Speaker 6: There's only two of us, there's no chapters, there's no

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Speaker 6: I'm not the originator, It's just me. I'm just trying

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Speaker 6: to put videos out there, sharing the love with Jesus,

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Speaker 6: sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. And I don't know

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Speaker 6: how a cult comes up with their names. You know,

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Speaker 6: a cult chose God's misfits. Well, I wanted to change

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Speaker 6: it to something like maybe God's misfits of Jesus Christ

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Speaker 7: Will they won't follow me in that area.

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Speaker 6: Guarantee you theyd before God one day they can allow. Oh,

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Speaker 6: they want to face this nerve, but they can't lie

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Speaker 6: to a God that knows exactly what's in their heart,

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Speaker 6: knows exactly what they've done.

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Speaker 7: And they think they can get by all the grace

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Speaker 7: of God. Well, They've taken God's name in vain and

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Speaker 7: posted on this thing. Is that that they did?

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Speaker 2: I think that I would do a complete overhaul with

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Speaker 2: the name, because that name God's Misfits has been totally

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Speaker 2: contorted and is now associated with the double murder of

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Speaker 2: two young moms. I get where you're going that somehow

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Speaker 2: turn us into something new and wonderful. This has totally

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Speaker 2: destroyed that concept. Now do you have any idea why

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Speaker 2: they would pick your coult to claim there excuse me

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Speaker 2: your group to be associated with.

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Speaker 7: All thank fear is the devil?

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Speaker 6: Well Satan all they have or Satan is chosen me

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Speaker 6: to try to smeart something on me. I think maybe

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Speaker 6: God's got something bigger in store for me and my wife.

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Speaker 7: We know that we I'm a getting short. It's getting worse.

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Speaker 8: Out here every day.

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Speaker 7: The evilness is out here. And then when the evilness

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on just a moment, squirrel, let me advise you,

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Speaker 2: and I see no reason what you would ever be

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Speaker 2: called in court as it relates to this case. But

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Speaker 2: if you do, do not say the devil did it? Okay,

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Speaker 2: because no jury's going to believe that. But Mster world

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Speaker 2: in a nutshell? Did these people ever contact you by phone,

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Speaker 2: by email, by letter. Have you ever met them? Have

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Speaker 1: Prior to learning all of this.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know him. I never heard of him.

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Speaker 6: I had no way to know that my name had

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Speaker 6: made it down there, that they were getting smeared. I

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Speaker 6: didn't know anything was happening at all. But no, I

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Speaker 6: didn't know those folks.

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Speaker 7: I didn't have any idea at all until they started

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Speaker 7: coming Airway.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Could these two moms be buried alive? Could that have

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Speaker 2: happened in Jilly and Kelly and Veronica Butler ambushed on

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Speaker 2: the side of a rural road, diverted and then murdered?

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Speaker 1: Or were they murdered there?

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Speaker 2: Were they murdered right there where their car was found abandoned,

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Speaker 2: Huge pools of blood outside the car along with one

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Speaker 2: of the mom's glasses near a broken hammer with me

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Speaker 2: and all Star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 2: know right now.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go out to Lauren Conlin.

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Speaker 2: Could you explain again where is the hole where the

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Speaker 2: moms were found at the bottom covered? It had to

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Speaker 4: So it was about eight and a half miles away

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Speaker 4: I will no problem.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Kendall, Crown's chief medical Examiner Terrance County,

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Speaker 1: Doctor crowns, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I don't know yet whether the moms were shot dead

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Speaker 2: they blood to death right there.

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Speaker 1: If not, how can we.

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Speaker 2: Tell if the moms were still alive when they were

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Speaker 9: There's a couple of ways. That's if they're still alive,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's joining us from the medical Examiner's office. Doctor Crowns,

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Speaker 2: you got me drinking from the fire hydrogen. There's just

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Speaker 2: too much, too fast. So doctor Crowns again, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: You just started at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: these moms were alive, even if I'm conscious, if they

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Speaker 9: They're still breathing when they're covered in dirt, you'll you'll

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Speaker 2: Now, if they have leffer spotting or hemo aspiration where

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Speaker 1: Prove to a jury that they were buried alive.

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Speaker 2: They could get blood to the lungs right out there

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Speaker 1: How do I know if they were buried alive with that.

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Speaker 2: Hemorrhage you're talking about, which I to me means blood hemorrhage, bruise, blood,

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Speaker 9: Lungs, so the leopard spotting would be survival after the

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Speaker 9: head trauma, and then if you're buried alive, the dirt

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Speaker 10: So it's kind of twofold.

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Speaker 9: You have the hemo aspiration or leopard spotting, blood in

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I don't know how to verbalize in

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Speaker 2: of that. When I see autopsy photos or when I've

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Speaker 2: and you physically open the body.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how do you see if there's dirt in

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Speaker 1: Does it? You can just go like an E and

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Speaker 9: Unlike an ent, we have the benefit of we can

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Speaker 10: And then of.

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Speaker 9: Course removal of the brain, making an ear to ear

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Speaker 10: Cutting the top of the skull off.

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Speaker 9: Taking the brain out gives us access to the nasal

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Speaker 2: So to Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective co

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Speaker 2: think you and I have both dealt with buried bodies?

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Speaker 1: Right? How long do you think it took them to

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Speaker 1: dig a hole ten.

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Speaker 10: Feet d Probably a couple of days.

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Speaker 11: And that goes to what you said at the beginning

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Speaker 11: to show the premeditation of it. This was very well

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Speaker 11: planned when where how all was planned out way beforehand.

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Speaker 11: They knew where they were going to hit them, they

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Speaker 11: And then getting them back to that hole that was

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Speaker 1: You know, Tom Smith, and I asked you.

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Speaker 2: I did not anticipate your answer as being a couple

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Speaker 2: of days, But now that I think about it, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Now. We do know that one.

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Speaker 2: Of the purps, alleged perps may have used a skid steer,

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Speaker 2: which is like a tractor, which aided it.

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Speaker 1: But you're so right.

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Speaker 2: Garrett Oates is joining me high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: He is.

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Speaker 2: Was Veronica Butler's lawyer during her custody battle over these children.

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Speaker 2: Garrett Oates, I don't know if this makes you consider

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Speaker 2: another line of business that handling divorce and custody could

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Speaker 2: end up in a ten foot deep hole with two mothers,

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Speaker 2: young mothers thrown down in. They're like a sack of hay,

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Speaker 2: what do you think did you ever imagine all the

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Speaker 1: May very well have been buried alive.

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Speaker 12: Well, you never plan on that, Nancy, Certainly, whether you're

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Speaker 12: in law school, you're prepping a case up for trial,

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Speaker 12: or anything like that, never plan on something like this happening. However,

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Speaker 12: there are situations in family law, certainly where either side

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Speaker 12: don't plan on that, but is it possible? And are

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Speaker 2: There's very little that I love more than digital footprints

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Speaker 1: Arguably I love blood evidence more.

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Speaker 2: But that said, I'm sure you've read the affidavit, Garrett

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Speaker 2: Oates with your usual attention to detail. If you towards

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Speaker 1: We find that the.

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Speaker 2: Cell phones the burners that Tiffany Adams grandma, the.

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Speaker 1: So called killer Granny, bought at a.

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Speaker 2: Gun store, two of them are in one spot, one

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Speaker 1: What are the two spots.

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Speaker 2: At the abandoned vehicle, the mom's car, while the other

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Speaker 1: The disposal site the ten foot hole.

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Speaker 2: So somebody's down there waiting for the purpose to show

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Speaker 2: like a grave digger outside the local Methodist church, waiting

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Speaker 2: there at the vehicle where things quote didn't go as planned.

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Speaker 1: Those are the words that the.

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Speaker 2: Defendants said to a sixteen year old little girl. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's a church choir special. Didn't go exactly.

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Speaker 1: How we plan it, but it came out all right.

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Speaker 1: So the grave digger is down there at the whole.

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Speaker 2: Waiting for these two young moms to be brought one

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Speaker 2: in a flatbed want to pick up down there to

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Speaker 1: Bottom of a whole. How do I know.

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Speaker 2: That because the affidavit tells me the burner phones were

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Speaker 12: Way in the affidavit is certainly very enlightening and has

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Speaker 12: effort that was put into ensuring that when arrests were made,

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Speaker 12: just easily get out of this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Garrett Oaks, I agree with you. I agree

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Speaker 2: Why because why reveal all of your cards up front?

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Speaker 2: All I need is a judge or a magistrate is

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Speaker 2: enough to issue that warrant. But they gave me a

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Speaker 2: plethora of information and I am learning a lot. Hey, Garrett,

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Speaker 2: you represented Garrett Oates, joining us everybody of Veronica Butler's

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Speaker 2: lawyer during her life in a very hard fought custody battle.

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Speaker 1: Garrett Oates, tell.

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Speaker 2: Me what that battle was like for mommy Veronica Butler.

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Speaker 12: That custody case has been going on since twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 12: and I was on the hired on in.

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Speaker 10: September of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 12: However, Veronica, when I filed my first motion in the case,

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Speaker 12: deprived of since July.

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Speaker 8: Of twenty three.

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Speaker 7: And that's all in public record filings.

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Speaker 12: When we had our first hearing in November of twenty three,

444
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Speaker 12: Veronica was granted supervised visitation with her children on an

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Speaker 12: every Saturday basis, which was the pre existing order. It

446
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Speaker 12: was just not being allowed. She was being deprived of

447
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Speaker 12: that time with her children.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, right there, What do you mean she

449
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Speaker 2: had visitation but it quote wasn't allowed by who?

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Speaker 10: Correct?

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Speaker 12: She had an order in existence since December of twenty

452
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Speaker 12: twenty two that granted her every Saturday visitation with her children. However,

453
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Speaker 12: that was not being allowed by Miss Adams, Miss Tiffany Adams.

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Speaker 2: So was Tiffany Adams the granny now accused, the mother

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Speaker 2: in law accused of.

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Speaker 1: Your client Veronica. Is that correct?

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Speaker 12: That's who was not allowing the visitation between Veronica and

458
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Speaker 12: her children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got another question for you, Garrett. Isn't it

460
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Speaker 2: true that the so called killer granny mother in law

461
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Speaker 2: Tiffany Adams also would very often refused to let her

462
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Speaker 2: own biological son see the children.

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Speaker 12: That is accurate, and there was statements made on social

464
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Speaker 12: media by her own son, and in his own.

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Speaker 7: Words he.

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Speaker 12: Attested that his mother was withholding his own children from

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Speaker 12: him as well.

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Speaker 5: Associate District Judge Clerk Jet entered not guilty please on

469
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Speaker 5: the behalves of Adam's column Cora and Cole Twombly. Judge

470
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Speaker 5: Jet also assigned pro bono attorneys for each of the

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Speaker 5: four defendants and denied bail. According to the police affidavit,

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Speaker 5: the four suspects had quote resources sufficient to organize and

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Speaker 5: execute a complex murder, and therefore they all also had

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Speaker 5: their resources to flee if given the opportunity. The police

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00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: documents also say Adams and Culum owned numerous firearms, and

476
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Speaker 5: Culum had a rifle, ammunition, body armor, and a go

477
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 5: bag prepared at his home. Besides the multiple pools of

478
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Speaker 5: blood near the Kansas Moms, OSBI, FBI and Texas County

479
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Speaker 5: Sheriff's Department, officers find Butler's glasses on the ground near

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Speaker 5: a broken hammer. Jillian Kelly's purse is also found. Inside

481
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: the purse a gun magazine but no weapon. Police say

482
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 5: the victims were forced into another vehicle. Both the women's

483
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 5: phone stopped sending signals at nine forty two am and

484
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 5: have not been recovered. We now learn that all three

485
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Speaker 5: Burner phones bought by Tiffany Adams pined at Butler's car

486
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Speaker 5: at the time of the attack. Two of the three

487
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 5: phones pained at the ten foot deep hole. The bodies

488
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 5: covered with dirt cement chunks and covered with hay.

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Speaker 1: The women covered with dirt cement chucks and hey.

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Speaker 2: Back to Tom Smith, former NYPDN Coast of Gold Seals podcast,

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Speaker 2: thinking about the time and energy it took to skid

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Speaker 2: steer that hole.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever driven a tractor? I have you ever

494
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Speaker 1: done that?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 8: I have?

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Speaker 2: Well, for me anyway, it wasn't easy. I guess for

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Speaker 2: someone more experienced it is easy. But I'm just thinking

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Speaker 2: about with every dig and throw them back the dirt.

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Speaker 2: He's got time to think about murdering these two unarmed moms.

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Speaker 2: How dear he borrow a skids deer go out to

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Speaker 2: this land and dig a hole, knowing that two moms

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Speaker 2: would be thrown to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 1: Tom Smith, have you ever seen anything like it?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's definitely unique when you actually have so many

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Speaker 11: people involved as well. You know a lot of times

507
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 11: when holes are dug it's a one on one situation

508
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Speaker 11: or maybe two people. This group of people having this

509
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 11: really diabolical, waid out plan is disturbing, and like you said,

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Speaker 11: the hours, many hours.

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Speaker 10: And maybe a day or so.

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Speaker 11: Like I said before, to dig it gives you time

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Speaker 11: to think, and obviously he did not care about that.

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Speaker 10: They were hell bent on.

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Speaker 11: Taking this to this level and putting those bodies in

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Speaker 11: that hole.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, special guest Rachel Bernstein. She is

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Speaker 2: a cult expert and therapist host of.

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Speaker 1: The Indoctrination podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know, Rachel person, I've got so many questions to

522
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Speaker 2: ask you, but I just recently investigated and covered a

523
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Speaker 2: very high profile cult related case. I'm sure you're familiar

524
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Speaker 2: with cult. My Laurie Valo, take a listen to this, Rachel.

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00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: After meeting Chad day Bell Coltman, Laurie Valo became obsessed

526
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Speaker 5: with doomsday. In preparing for the end of the world,

527
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 5: Valo had drained her bank account and now believed she

528
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Speaker 5: was a resurrected being a goddess chosen to lead the

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Speaker 5: one hundred and forty four thousand alongside Chad da Bell

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Speaker 5: the prophet. Vallo believed she was married to day Bell

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Speaker 5: in the past and that she knows when the Second

532
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Speaker 5: Coming is happening. Fallow also believed that spirits or zombies

533
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Speaker 5: were ranked by a system of light and dark. Her

534
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 5: children were dark spirits, and the only way to get

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Speaker 5: rid of a dark spirit was to kill the human body.

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Speaker 5: It was in Vallo believed husband Charles Valow had been

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Speaker 5: taken over by a dark spirit named Nick Schneider. Charles

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Speaker 5: Valo was shot and killed by Laurie Valo's brother Alex.

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Speaker 2: Same thing, Rachel Burnstain, same thing. Under the cloak of

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Speaker 2: religion and doing God's will, two innocent people debt and

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Speaker 2: in that case with Colt Momlory Valo, may she wrot

542
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Speaker 2: in hell. She orchestrated the murders of her own children.

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Speaker 1: Little jj as.

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Speaker 2: I recall, seven or eight years old with the learning disability,

545
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: had no idea what was about to happen. And then

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Speaker 2: her daughter's sixteen year old Tylely. All that was left

547
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: of Tyley, and it pains me to say this, by

548
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: learned in front of jury's You have to just say

549
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: it and get it out. All that was left of

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Speaker 2: Tyley was a bucket of human flesh and fat burned.

551
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Speaker 2: That's all that was left of this beautiful girl. Why

552
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: because they were zombies? Because Coleman. Lourie Vali was so

553
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: enthralled with her new husband what was it, Jackie husband

554
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: four or five?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

556
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: The prophib the prophet Chad Dabiel. His wife ends up

557
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Speaker 2: dead too. He's on trial for that. But she's so

558
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: enamored with jumping in the sack with Chad da Bell

559
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: that she thinks it's okay to kill her two children

560
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: and was convinced she was quote a goddess chosen to

561
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Speaker 2: lead the special one hundred and forty four thousand. Well,

562
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Speaker 2: if that's all it's going to happen, I'm just sol

563
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Speaker 2: here alongside the prophet, And now we've got two more

564
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Speaker 2: people murdered and disposed of like their trash, like a

565
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Speaker 2: sack of potatoes. As I said earlier, her, she's gorgeous,

566
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Speaker 2: she's full of love. All she wants to do is

567
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Speaker 2: be with her children. The other mom was a ride along,

568
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: helping out in a visitation. They're dead because of the

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Speaker 2: so called cult God's Misfits. Now, the founder says, I

570
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with them, but I think all

571
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Speaker 2: their meetings.

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Speaker 1: Just recover for a reason to murder the to moms.

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Speaker 7: Right, I agree with you.

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Speaker 8: Whether they're connected to the group that is called God's Misfits.

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00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 8: You know, originally or they started their own. I think

576
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 8: they felt they had permission, they had the need to

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Speaker 8: protect the world from these people, to protect the grandchildren

578
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Speaker 8: from these sinners.

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Speaker 2: So I understand from our first guest, mister Squirrel, the

580
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Speaker 2: genesis of the name God's misfits. But these people banded

581
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Speaker 2: together and the same kind of anti government, anti us,

582
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Speaker 2: and then they mix in a little of their home

583
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Speaker 2: cooked religion. What's your expert analysis of this.

584
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Speaker 7: Right, It is home cooked.

585
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 8: It is their own version, and it is something that

586
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 8: I think made them feel very driven to be able

587
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 8: to do something that we find horrific, but that they

588
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 8: found necessary. Groups like this have their own form of morality.

589
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 8: They feel there above the law. And also, if you're

590
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Speaker 8: anti government and you think that God talks to you,

591
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 8: then you're going to feel that you have the right

592
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 8: to take matters into your own hands, and you can

593
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Speaker 8: hide behind God when you're doing it.

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Speaker 2: You know, in the law we call that mistake of fact,

595
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: Like you bring a truckload of cocaine across the state

596
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: lines and you go, oh, my goodness, I thought it

597
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Speaker 2: was a.

598
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Speaker 1: Truckload of turnips.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a mistake of fact, and you committed a crime.

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Speaker 2: These people that think they're saving the earth from what

601
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Speaker 2: two unarmed moms are saving the grandchildren.

602
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Speaker 1: From the two moms.

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Speaker 2: I mean they had even had discussions about killing the

604
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Speaker 2: judge on this case, that they knew her route to

605
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Speaker 2: the courthouse. Really yeah, My question to you is this,

606
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Speaker 2: Rachel Bernstein, cult expert and host of Indoctrination Podcast, this

607
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: is not, by any stress of the imagination, a legitimate

608
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: insanity defense, which means under the old Magnaughton rule brought

609
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: over from the UK, that you do not know the

610
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: difference between right and wrong at the time of the incident.

611
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: If they had not realized that it was right or wrong,

612
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't have been so surreptitious, so secretive about.

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Speaker 7: It, right.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a very good point. When this happened,

615
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Speaker 8: I was really struck by the horrific nature of it,

616
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Speaker 8: the heartlessness of it. But it's something I see a

617
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 8: lot where people just don't have compassion for people they

618
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Speaker 8: see as less than for people they see as lacking humanity.

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Speaker 8: If this person, Tiffany Adams, thinks the whole world is

620
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Speaker 8: a simulation, you don't have to feel bad for killing

621
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Speaker 8: someone within that simulation because you might have convinced yourself

622
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Speaker 8: that what you're doing isn't real. I think about the days,

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Speaker 8: the time she spent with those grandkids, knowing she was

624
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 8: planning their mother's murder, and that she could show herself

625
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 8: to be a compassionate, loving grandmother, all the while having

626
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 8: that on her mind, knowing she's going to be robbing

627
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Speaker 8: them of their mother.

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Speaker 5: The four suspects are being kept in the Oklahoma, Texas

629
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Speaker 5: County Jail, but that doesn't mean they will be having contact.

630
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Speaker 5: The individuals are being separated in the ninety six bed facility. Currently,

631
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Speaker 5: the building houses forty seven inmates, thirty six men and

632
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 5: eleven women in separate sections for each gender. According to

633
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: the sheriff, Tad Cullum and Cole Twombly are intentionally held

634
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Speaker 5: on opposite sides of the men section, separated by four pods.

635
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 5: The women, Adams and Cora Twombly are also separated by pods,

636
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Speaker 5: ensuring no contact.

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Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD co host Girlshields podcast, Tom,

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Speaker 2: They're going to great pains to make sure that these

639
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: defendants are not close to each other and are not

640
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: having contact.

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Speaker 1: That is significant.

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Speaker 11: Why, Well, it's very significant because you want to keep

643
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 11: each story separate, and down the line, you want to

644
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 11: see which one you're going to use to roll on

645
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 11: somebody else. So you want to keep the integrity of

646
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 11: each interview on its own, so you can put it

647
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 11: together and come up with Marvus's substantial case and use

648
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Speaker 11: really rock solid.

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Speaker 10: Evidence and statements from each of them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Tom Smith, I agree and disagree, But I look

651
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: at it like this. I don't want one of them

652
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: to roll over. I want them to all go down

653
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: for the maximum sentence, be it life without the possibility

654
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Speaker 2: of parole, or the death penalty that will be up

655
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Speaker 2: to a jury. So I don't want to go to

656
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: hell to get the witness to put the devil in jail.

657
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: I want them all to go down equally in the

658
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Speaker 2: murder of these two moms.

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Speaker 1: But the other part I agree with.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, Tom, Look what they've already

661
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Speaker 2: done when they get together and scheme, they've planned and

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Speaker 2: executed a double murder.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's horrible. I didn't mean to give them a deal.

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Speaker 11: What I just meant by that was let them talk

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Speaker 11: and gather more information on the event that happened and

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Speaker 11: the crime that happened, not to necessarily give them a deal,

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Speaker 11: but to make sure they give proper statements and good statements,

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Speaker 11: either implicating each other or who was more involved than

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Speaker 11: somebody else, Not to give them a deal. What's the workers.

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Speaker 11: I am on the same page as you. They show

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Speaker 11: a rod for what they did to these two poor women.

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Speaker 2: And think about the children left behind, left behind without

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Speaker 2: a mom. Guys, as we wait for justice too unfold

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Speaker 2: and the murders of the two Kansas moms, we stop

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Speaker 2: and remember an American hero, Sergeant Thomas A. Sanfratello. Sergeant

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Speaker 2: san Fertello passes away in the line of duty, awarded

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Speaker 2: the Deputy of the Year twice, loved serving as New

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Speaker 2: York community and spending time with his three children, leaving

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Speaker 2: behind a significant other Cole and children, Kyla, Alexis and

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Speaker 2: Ian American hero Sergeant Thomas A.

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Speaker 1: San Frantillo.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank all the guests for being with

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Speaker 2: us tonight, but a special thanks to you for being

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Speaker 2: with us tonight and every night.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, good night,