Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Half. Now here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, And here we are. It's time for
Speaker 1: mix shots from Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, California. Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: along with the star of this show, Mickey Spagnola, and
Speaker 1: yes you've here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Been up
Speaker 1: to speed on a lot of things, but now we
Speaker 1: get Mickey's perspective on what he's seen through. What is
Speaker 1: nearly a full week out here in Oxtar? Does it
Speaker 1: feel like nearly a full week? Yet? It's officially a
Speaker 1: week today the end of today, it'll be on the
Speaker 1: seventh day they rest there you go, I like that,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's it's been interesting. I didn't get out,
Speaker 1: I didn't come out until Friday, and so I feel
Speaker 1: like but it's been the busiest three days of my
Speaker 1: year so far. Right, I mean, there is with this
Speaker 1: schedule that they have here where they're working out in
Speaker 1: the morning rather than in the in the evening. As
Speaker 1: far as from a TV standpoint on CBS eleven, we
Speaker 1: work until late as well. I have someone who wanted
Speaker 1: to do a podcast in another part of the country.
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta get my bearings. I gotta figure
Speaker 1: this thing out first, because we're going from sun up
Speaker 1: to past sundown. Right. No, absolutely, and especially you know, um,
Speaker 1: if I get up early and I started doing my
Speaker 1: morning radio reports on FAN, that's eight thirty here, but
Speaker 1: ten thirty back home. And then but we're not complaining. No,
Speaker 1: And and by the way, if you want to find
Speaker 1: something to complain, it's sixty seven degrees right now. I
Speaker 1: put my sweatshirt on because when I walked back to
Speaker 1: my room, the wind was blowing, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little colder than I thought. And of all things,
Speaker 1: it says rain starting in two minutes. There were some
Speaker 1: sprinkles on me as I came from my hotel. Now,
Speaker 1: I did this probably fifteen years ago, and I did
Speaker 1: it in a sing song, like I thought, it never
Speaker 1: rains in southern California, And my interns looked at me
Speaker 1: like I was cross eyed, like well, what is he
Speaker 1: talking about? Right? And that's I reminded myself of how old,
Speaker 1: you're going to do that. No, I'm not sing song anyway,
Speaker 1: but I thought it never rained in southern California. Just
Speaker 1: sprinkles a little bit anyway. All right, So what are
Speaker 1: your impressions? Just to get us started here, as the
Speaker 1: team has the day off today, right, and they'll be
Speaker 1: back for three straight practices Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Put on
Speaker 1: the pads for the first time on Wednesday, And I'm
Speaker 1: glad Bill pointed that out because I think we needed
Speaker 1: to put a disclaimer out there on everything we say,
Speaker 1: because everybody wants to know, what did you see, how's
Speaker 1: this guy doing, how's that guy doing? You know, it's
Speaker 1: no more than a mini camp practice or an OTA practice, helmet,
Speaker 1: jersey shorts, minimal contact, so it's really hard to judge,
Speaker 1: especially the offensive lineman. I think the easiest thing to
Speaker 1: look at is the skill guys, the quarterbacks, the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: the cornerback, safety's, linebackers, some in pass coverage. But as
Speaker 1: for somebody said, well, is Michael Parsons ever gonna beat
Speaker 1: Leal Cownds in a pass rush? And it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I mean Tyrann Smith, let's wait to the pads come
Speaker 1: on before we start judging things. So I think the
Speaker 1: probably the highlight of this first What did they have
Speaker 1: four practices now? Is that right? Three practices Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday. Right. Uh, Well, you know what, some people
Speaker 1: can consider the conditioning test the practice because they didn't running,
Speaker 1: and there there was that was why there's a day
Speaker 1: off now. But Dak is moving awfully well. And I
Speaker 1: thought these last two practices, uh, he was. He was
Speaker 1: really good. He was good, uh throwing the ball, throwing
Speaker 1: the ball on the run. Uh, being able to move
Speaker 1: uh like he you know, they did one of the
Speaker 1: scramble drills in team or seven on seven and um,
Speaker 1: he had no problems moving whatsoever. So I think they're
Speaker 1: out of the they're in the clear there with him.
Speaker 1: And you were there when Jerry talked yes with the scribes.
Speaker 1: After yes, he did the car wash with the TV
Speaker 1: people yesterday. Jerry said that was probably the best practice
Speaker 1: he had seen of Dak since he's been with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And he was saying a lot and and I thought
Speaker 1: both Saturdays, Saturday, that was Saturdays, And I thought Sundays
Speaker 1: was every bit uh as good. And you know what
Speaker 1: people need to understand, Bill. And by the way, it
Speaker 1: is raining. Wow, it is Look at that not not hard,
Speaker 1: not like we get in Texas or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: a nice So you're saying fifteen years ago you did
Speaker 1: see rain out here. I did. I think it was
Speaker 1: two thousand. It was two thousand and four, two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. One day kind of got delayed because it rains.
Speaker 1: I would have been out here then. In fact, now
Speaker 1: you talk about reminiscing, Uh, those were the good old days,
Speaker 1: uh in two thousand and four or old five. Remember
Speaker 1: when we interviewed Kevin Costner out here, Yes, yes, on
Speaker 1: the set. Yeah, And that was the old the old
Speaker 1: days of the Cowboys Channel. And we were filling a
Speaker 1: whole lot of time for the Cowboys Channel back then.
Speaker 1: And we did a fifteen minute interview with kes like
Speaker 1: Bill was sitting there, I was sitting there and Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner in the middle of course, with the with the
Speaker 1: practice field in the background. Yes, yeah, where we're not
Speaker 1: in a tent or on like a TV set. Then yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: But Dak just you know you can you can throw
Speaker 1: the football. You never forget how to do that, right,
Speaker 1: And and his mobility is fine, but then it's another
Speaker 1: thing of getting acclimated to see in the field, like
Speaker 1: seeing all if you've ever played quarterback, and I haven't,
Speaker 1: right really, or maybe in a pickup game when they
Speaker 1: needed somebody. You know, there's a lot of muck out there, right,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on, and you got to
Speaker 1: get used to sorting through when the play breaks down.
Speaker 1: That's why I think the scramble drill that they do
Speaker 1: is invaluable, because I don't know what the percentage of
Speaker 1: plays that you call in the huddle actually come off
Speaker 1: the way you designed him right there, you gotta add
Speaker 1: lip sometimes and and he was doing that fine. He
Speaker 1: was throwing the ball fine, he was hitting guys on
Speaker 1: the run when the play broke down. So I think
Speaker 1: that probably was the highlight of the first week of
Speaker 1: training camp, along with just the fact that guys like
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith, Leale Collins, Zach Martin, Blake Jarwin or back
Speaker 1: out there with the offense. And as Dak said that
Speaker 1: one day, it's like the bands all back together again,
Speaker 1: and it certainly looked that way. And that's what this
Speaker 1: Cowboy team needs from this offense if they're going to
Speaker 1: succeed this year. All right, let's get into some of
Speaker 1: the news of the last couple of days. Anyway, give us,
Speaker 1: give us a status report on the potential signing of
Speaker 1: Malik Hooker, who, of course Mike McCarthy basically confirmed during
Speaker 1: his press conference yesterday that he is out here and
Speaker 1: yet he's going through the COVID protocols. Yes, and he
Speaker 1: has not worked out for him yet. And remember I
Speaker 1: think it was September twentieth, it was September twentieth he
Speaker 1: ruptured his achilles, and Demonte Casey ruptured his achilles October fourth,
Speaker 1: two weeks after, and Casey's back out here. But when
Speaker 1: they brought in Hooker got all achilles injuries are yes,
Speaker 1: they are not, especially when your age is a little
Speaker 1: bit different too. But I'm glad to say that's as
Speaker 1: is talking about his own experience. I'm glad to say
Speaker 1: I'm running now and actually played tennis a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, sou. But when they brought Hooker in in
Speaker 1: the spring for the kind of a workout, my understanding
Speaker 1: was he wasn't he wasn't ready physically. Uh, And you
Speaker 1: remember he laughed and they didn't sign him and then
Speaker 1: you know they had already signed Kazy and Keane O'Neil, so, uh,
Speaker 1: he hasn't worked out for him yet because when he
Speaker 1: got here, COVID nineteen protocol mandated that he quarantined for
Speaker 1: five days. And my understanding is he's here, he's in
Speaker 1: his room, but he can't go anywhere. He's got a
Speaker 1: he's sequestered in his room. So I think the five
Speaker 1: days are up tomorrow and that would be vaccinated or unvaccinated,
Speaker 1: and so they can work him out. So they had
Speaker 1: while they planned on signing them. They still need to
Speaker 1: work him out and make sure the the achilles is
Speaker 1: healed and he's physically ready to go. And I would
Speaker 1: imagine they clear. They probably have seen video of him,
Speaker 1: and they've got a pretty right idea, and I would
Speaker 1: imagine that they've already kind of worked out the contract.
Speaker 1: But it's what is it July twenty six today, and
Speaker 1: you don't have a job. Your bargaining poler ain't real high, right,
Speaker 1: especially with other teams getting ready to go to camp
Speaker 1: and probably have their ninety man roster set. So so
Speaker 1: you'll be interesting to see in my understanding on why
Speaker 1: it wasn't any reflection on what they scene from the
Speaker 1: safety so far, it's just trying to bring in the
Speaker 1: best talent that would be available at safety and let
Speaker 1: them sort it out. And he's likely to be a
Speaker 1: pup guy to start anyway. Yeah, there's a good chance
Speaker 1: of that. And you and you, you would have until
Speaker 1: you got to set your fifty three man roster to
Speaker 1: either activate him off pup or you can leave him
Speaker 1: on pup and get six a minimum of six weeks
Speaker 1: into the season. And that's why some of the guys
Speaker 1: they put on POP early, they just it's an insurance
Speaker 1: policy against them being ready. Well, and that's the other
Speaker 1: thing is with an Now we've got a seventeen game
Speaker 1: regular season, right, okay, a guy coming off an injury
Speaker 1: like that, keep him on pup and he's he's a
Speaker 1: guy that even if it's not till mid season before
Speaker 1: he is or the second half of the season before
Speaker 1: he can contribute, it's going to be a veteran minimum deal. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so that's not much to pay for insurance and
Speaker 1: you might hit on something. Yeah, No, absolutely, And I
Speaker 1: have no idea where he is physically. He may be
Speaker 1: able to go out there right now and be just
Speaker 1: like Casey running around like crazy right now, right, And
Speaker 1: that's his nickname, Crazy Casey. Right when when I first
Speaker 1: heard him say it, I thought he said crazy Cajun.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, no, he's not from
Speaker 1: New Orleans or Louisiana or anything. And then I looked
Speaker 1: at where he was from, and he was from Kajoun, California.
Speaker 1: Ka Still j Yeah, and uh, there's Jerry walking by
Speaker 1: right now. He's going to do the Cairo Wash with
Speaker 1: the radio stations that are here too. And we'll get
Speaker 1: into Bill's interview with Jerry here in a moment. But
Speaker 1: one of the guys that Bill gave you an example
Speaker 1: of being on pup is Tristan Hill. Like he's out there,
Speaker 1: he's working hard, but they know that they've got a
Speaker 1: little bit of a log jam at that defensive tackle position,
Speaker 1: so they're not going to rush him. And if they
Speaker 1: give him another six weeks when the season starts to
Speaker 1: continue rehabing his acl, then they won't have a problem
Speaker 1: with that, knowing that at some point somebody on the
Speaker 1: roster is gonna get hurt and they're gonna open up
Speaker 1: a spot and they could bring him back. So they
Speaker 1: kind of got him in their hip pocket right now.
Speaker 1: And I thought the best thing coming out of Bike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's press conference yesterday was what he said about Neville Gallimore. Yes,
Speaker 1: because they he's been working with the first team and
Speaker 1: they're expecting. It's one thing for us to sit here
Speaker 1: and say, oh, yeah, he looks all right up there.
Speaker 1: But when the coach gets overboard and praise of how
Speaker 1: much stronger he is, and they've gave got some high
Speaker 1: hulks for Gallimore. And by the way Bill would mentioning Gallimore.
Speaker 1: You know how the Cowboys do their offseason awards for
Speaker 1: how hard guys work there, how much they increase some
Speaker 1: of their stats, the things that they judge. He was
Speaker 1: one of the guys on defense that got the award,
Speaker 1: So that gives you an idea of how hard he
Speaker 1: was working in the off season. And talking to Harold
Speaker 1: Nash for a game day story in the preseason, he
Speaker 1: was talking about Gallimore basically came to him and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I need to get better at this, this and this,
Speaker 1: and he said that's always good when you see a
Speaker 1: player do that. You can have the physical talents, but
Speaker 1: you've got to improve strength, your weight, all those things.
Speaker 1: And he was really high on Neville Gallimore and how
Speaker 1: complicity was with working hard in the offseason. You know,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that when you look at
Speaker 1: his history. Of course, he's from Canada and he's a
Speaker 1: late bloomer type as far as football goes. And so
Speaker 1: I'm sure when the Cowboys drafted him in the third round,
Speaker 1: they were looking at upside with him as much as anything.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's exciting to hear that he's got
Speaker 1: that kind of work ethic and the want to to
Speaker 1: be as good as he can be and not and
Speaker 1: not to nothing against Oklahoma on how they played him,
Speaker 1: but his natural position I think is a three technique
Speaker 1: on a four man line and just to use his
Speaker 1: speed his quickness there more than being a defensive end
Speaker 1: in a three man line, which is what they were running.
Speaker 1: They were running before Alex Grinch got there, and so
Speaker 1: that would have been I remember if he played for
Speaker 1: Grinches let he wouldn't have it, so he would have
Speaker 1: been in that yeah, you know, three man front. Which
Speaker 1: so getting back to Tristan Hill, he's I watched his
Speaker 1: workout yesterday. He is moving just fine. And the other
Speaker 1: guy that was working out with him at the same
Speaker 1: time was DeMarcus Lawrence. And I know Jerry when he
Speaker 1: was asked about Lawrence and Amari Cooper, he said probably
Speaker 1: after Arizona. Well for Lawrence that that's a team decision
Speaker 1: because he could go out there in practice right now.
Speaker 1: But you know this first week, as we talked about,
Speaker 1: it's a mini camp practice. They don't need Lawrence out there.
Speaker 1: He he better serves himself rehabbing at this point from
Speaker 1: the yeah, and the same with Cooper exactly and he
Speaker 1: and yesterday I finally saw Cooper out there on the
Speaker 1: chords with Britt Brown. Uh, DeMarcus Lawrence his workout yesterday.
Speaker 1: I guarn darned tea that it was harder than any
Speaker 1: practice guys went through yesterday because he was doing all
Speaker 1: the little rehab stuff and had the chords on and
Speaker 1: he's running hard. And uh Britt Brown uh is very
Speaker 1: optimistic about when he'll be ready sooner than later. So
Speaker 1: that all the PUP people you want to talk about, well,
Speaker 1: let's see, um the other guys on PUP. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the guys with the hamstring like Gholston. We got to
Speaker 1: see on that one. But the guys that um that
Speaker 1: they they put on there that they were recovering from
Speaker 1: injury or whatever. I think they feel like they would
Speaker 1: be ready uh to go uh whenever, whenever needed. They
Speaker 1: just didn't want to push him. Off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. I was trying to, um, remember the guys
Speaker 1: that ended up on pop Let's see if I got
Speaker 1: my and they're a list here and all of them
Speaker 1: they're they're not concerned. They're just easing them in, right
Speaker 1: and trying to be judicious about it. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: not like, oh no, this guy's not gonna be ready.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be ready to go, but that they
Speaker 1: feel good about um, about everybody. UM, like I mentioned Gholston,
Speaker 1: will see Lawrence. I think they feel really good about um.
Speaker 1: And then uh, Greg Zerline had back surgery. It's an
Speaker 1: acl I saw him out there. He was rehabbing on
Speaker 1: the chords and usually when you when you get to
Speaker 1: the chords, then you're you're you're getting a lot closer. Uh.
Speaker 1: We mentioned Cooper had the foot surgery. Uh, and Mitch
Speaker 1: Hyatt uh, who I thought was probably further off. They've
Speaker 1: got hopes that he'll be ready to go at some
Speaker 1: point in training camp and they haven't given up on him.
Speaker 1: The poor guy. You know, he was in the off season,
Speaker 1: and some guys have it's their rehab is different for
Speaker 1: an ACL than everybody else's, So I think those are
Speaker 1: the guys. And then uh t J. Vassar was on Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on non football injury. So we'll see where
Speaker 1: that one goes, all right, And they signed a cornerback
Speaker 1: yesterday too. They did U Kyran Brown cornerback. Uh. He
Speaker 1: was a signed by the Jets as a rookie free
Speaker 1: agent in twenty nineteen and he only played in three
Speaker 1: games uh that year, and then last year he spent
Speaker 1: the whole year on pup with a quad a quad injury.
Speaker 1: So you know, they had an open spot and they
Speaker 1: just uh wanted to fill it. Got a lot of
Speaker 1: activity going on here with a little bit of rain on.
Speaker 1: We're on Radio Row, which is located right next to
Speaker 1: where Mike McCarthy has his press conferences here on the
Speaker 1: tennis courts overlooking the River Ridge playing fields here in Oxnard.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone really anticipated rain drops at all,
Speaker 1: but there there are tarps here, yes, And so they're
Speaker 1: they've they're mobilizing yes, the other radio stations are putting
Speaker 1: the tarps up to make sure. And it's not like
Speaker 1: the rain is coming anywhere near inside the tent. Good,
Speaker 1: we're in a tent. We're expecting a torrential downpour at
Speaker 1: a matter of moments, I guess. And it's a fine
Speaker 1: rain euipment they're yeah, I know they're not covering us
Speaker 1: up now. They wouldn't worry about us, right, And since
Speaker 1: Chris Beam is doing that, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: are in position to take a break. Yes, we are.
Speaker 1: And then when we come back here on mix Shots,
Speaker 1: let's get into the car wash. Yes, Gerry Jones and
Speaker 1: the car wash, which he's doing with the radio cruise now.
Speaker 1: But we did it with the TV guys last night.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that when Mick Shots continues. Hi, I'm
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Speaker 1: we're back here on mixed Shots. What a day it
Speaker 1: has already been, as the Big twelve is blown up today,
Speaker 1: especially Oklahoma and Texas gave their notice and my phone
Speaker 1: is blowing up because of that. And you know, Vicky,
Speaker 1: it's I got here Friday, on Saturday and Sunday. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it's fourteen hour days out here, you know.
Speaker 1: And with this new schedule, with with the with the
Speaker 1: team practicing in the morning day and Saturday with the
Speaker 1: opening ceremonies at ten so noon Dallas time. It had
Speaker 1: to be out here an hour early for that because
Speaker 1: there's a crowd too. I mean I got here eight
Speaker 1: thirty or so. So I just grabbed I went by
Speaker 1: a seven to eleven and I grabbed a bear claw.
Speaker 1: A bear claws I have never had, have you ever
Speaker 1: seen I've never even heard of them. I don't know
Speaker 1: I had neither until I've picked it up, and I
Speaker 1: love them. It looks good. I've been living off bear
Speaker 1: claws here the last couple. That's your breakfast. You cannot
Speaker 1: it's it is a to the we we park now
Speaker 1: you you're staying on campus. Yeah, but we got to
Speaker 1: walk all the way around though. We park three hundred
Speaker 1: yards away. Yeah, okay, in the parking lot. And with
Speaker 1: the fans here and everything, there was a full house
Speaker 1: on Saturday. There's you could not even think about leaving
Speaker 1: here and then to come back going to get lunch
Speaker 1: or something like that. And so I lived off two
Speaker 1: bear claws that day, and I did the same thing yesterday.
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, Breakfast of champions, that's it right there,
Speaker 1: and water and bear claws is what I'm living on.
Speaker 1: So it's rating harder by the way. Now, thing they
Speaker 1: did with their with they put up the tarp to
Speaker 1: protect the equipment that was next to the fence here. Uh,
Speaker 1: Jerry did the car wash yesterday, and my understanding what
Speaker 1: you guys were supposed to only have six minutes minutes
Speaker 1: and I saw the clock like standing up there like
Speaker 1: this the whole time. So how did he go with you?
Speaker 1: And Jerry? Well, we were told in advance we get
Speaker 1: six minutes each, and it was Mike Doucey Channel four
Speaker 1: went first, Louis Scruggs Channel five went second, myself, CBS
Speaker 1: eleven went third, and then Greg Simmons with k Satin
Speaker 1: San Antonio was fourth, and then they saved the big
Speaker 1: Cohuna Dale Hanson for fifth. I figured there's no way
Speaker 1: that there's a six minute time limit when Dale Hanson
Speaker 1: and there was his last interview with Jerry. Of course,
Speaker 1: Dale's retiring in September second, So Doucy Stoptember September second.
Speaker 1: All right, Doucy starts and I'm seeing David A. Brusie
Speaker 1: give him time cues and he is ignoring every single
Speaker 1: time I guarantee you do. He got hung up and
Speaker 1: I could just barely hear from a distance. You know,
Speaker 1: Troy k Mos out here yesterday, and so we weren't
Speaker 1: able to get Troy ourselves because the way they're doing
Speaker 1: the interviews after the practice is each station is set
Speaker 1: up at a post and they bring a player over.
Speaker 1: What Connor Williams was the last player, and that my
Speaker 1: CBS eleven photographer Bill Ellis. He was tied up at
Speaker 1: the far end of the practice field having to get
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. And then we distribute the interviews to all
Speaker 1: the stations have all the interviews. So anyway, then Troy's
Speaker 1: doing an interviewer. So Doocy asked Troy about being a
Speaker 1: GM and you know, being up in the tower with
Speaker 1: Jerry and stuff, and so I'm from a distance, I'm
Speaker 1: hearing him ask all these questions about Troy being a GEM,
Speaker 1: and I can't hear anything Jerry's saying. J's faced the
Speaker 1: other way, and so I'm going So that is why
Speaker 1: Doucy went well beyond six minutes on his because he
Speaker 1: was just trying. He was trying to get that sound
Speaker 1: bite from Jerry that he can tweet. I talked to
Speaker 1: Doocy afterwards, right, Yeah, he's trying to get that sound
Speaker 1: bite that he can tweet out, you know, and it
Speaker 1: goes viral that. Yeah, there's a chance that Troy would
Speaker 1: be the GiB of this steam and he never he
Speaker 1: never got him to say it. Yeah right, and not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Yeah, so uh so anyway, so I probably
Speaker 1: went about nine minutes with him something like that, and
Speaker 1: I went past the stop sign. Also, Uh, he's great talking,
Speaker 1: you know, he just as you know, he just absolutely
Speaker 1: loves training camp, you know, and he and you saw
Speaker 1: it in his opening press conference, the emotion that he
Speaker 1: had when he gets sentimental about the past years here
Speaker 1: and so forth. Um, you know, he actually with me
Speaker 1: he talked to it's the same kind of feelings that
Speaker 1: he had. I mean, that's how much it means to
Speaker 1: him when his granddaughter got married on Saturday on Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it means so much to him,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, and WHENI gets criticized for the
Speaker 1: twenty five years without a Super Bowl, that's when it
Speaker 1: the emotions, you know, get going both ways on right
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So, uh, it's it's great talking to him,
Speaker 1: and I wish that we had we knew in advance
Speaker 1: we've got ten minutes with him, because then you don't
Speaker 1: because as a as an interviewer, when you're you know
Speaker 1: that Jerry goes along with his answers to begin with okay,
Speaker 1: and so you have to parse it down to your
Speaker 1: questions to there are certain topics and so I think
Speaker 1: all of us are the same. There's five or six
Speaker 1: questions that we have, but you don't really know that
Speaker 1: you have time to follow up with the exactly know,
Speaker 1: when he says something about his granddaughter getting married, you
Speaker 1: would like and then even more emotion would come out
Speaker 1: to be able to follow up, But you got four
Speaker 1: more questions you need to ask, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: that's one of them. And it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 1: to cut him off too, by the way to you know,
Speaker 1: like interrupt or not interrupt, but you know when it's
Speaker 1: kind of you go, but you can't see on live TV,
Speaker 1: and the since these were taped right now live TV,
Speaker 1: you would be more prone to cut him off because
Speaker 1: you know the clock's running yeay, yeah, and you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta get it done in six if there's a
Speaker 1: shot clock on you right so you were watching. Uh. Uh,
Speaker 1: I watched the interview with Dale, Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: hear that. And and Dale had all these props ready
Speaker 1: to go, and uh, he wanted to bring up Switzer
Speaker 1: and you know ninety four. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they were doing Dale's you know, top twenty moments with
Speaker 1: the Cowboy or just hit in his history and number
Speaker 1: six was the interview with Barry Switzer and ninety four
Speaker 1: at training camp. Uh. We were still in Austin at
Speaker 1: at the at the college there. And as matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I remember it explicitly because I was sitting on the
Speaker 1: ground underneath their camera too. I wanted to monitor what
Speaker 1: was going to go on. Right, Well, we knew in
Speaker 1: advance the fireworks and I and I when I warre
Speaker 1: and Dale remembered it when he did the deal for
Speaker 1: number six that I warmed him that Switzer's coming after you,
Speaker 1: and he mentioned it. And the reason that we knew
Speaker 1: in advance that there would be sparks flying was because
Speaker 1: Dale was on Norm Hitska's radio show right morning and
Speaker 1: made comments about the assistant coaches right that the assistant
Speaker 1: coaches were going to revolt, that they all wanted the
Speaker 1: head coaching job, and they weren't cooperating, which I don't
Speaker 1: know about how far that went, but anyway, and so Switzer,
Speaker 1: Switzer got all excited and he started punching Dale in
Speaker 1: the arm like yeah, you know you gotta do this,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know you say that and then and
Speaker 1: then Switzer and Dale never never said it, never reported it,
Speaker 1: but Switzer got on this thing that he heard that
Speaker 1: Dale reported that Tony Casillas had a brain tumor, and
Speaker 1: that got Dale mad because he did not do that.
Speaker 1: And then Switzer just started punching him harder and finally, finally, uh,
Speaker 1: Dale goes, hey, that's starting to hurt a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: And and they continued for a while, and they they
Speaker 1: blew by their break, right, and at some point Larry
Speaker 1: Lacewall was there kind of next to me and Larry
Speaker 1: it didn't get on the air, but Larry finally said, guys, guys,
Speaker 1: that's enough, just like that, right, And so Dale, when
Speaker 1: they were talking about it, Dale brought out a pillow
Speaker 1: and put it on his shoulder so Jerry could poke
Speaker 1: him like that. When they were talking about it again,
Speaker 1: I was wondering how he's going to work. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was pretty It was pretty funny. And then he had
Speaker 1: something that this long scroll of paper and he started
Speaker 1: and roll it and started reading the things that you know,
Speaker 1: he needed to Jerry needed to explain. And he got
Speaker 1: to about the second one and then Jerry ripped the
Speaker 1: paper and fickt or like he had something there, and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, let me read this about you now,
Speaker 1: right and uh And at the end, uh, they were
Speaker 1: they were basically, you know, telling each other how much
Speaker 1: they enjoyed each other's company and and and Dale wanted
Speaker 1: to Jerry to explicitly point out that he quit. He
Speaker 1: didn't get fired from the radio show, but he was
Speaker 1: gonna get fired by Ron Chapman. And they told Jerry
Speaker 1: told that story, and he said, so I helped Chapman out,
Speaker 1: you know, I got got rid of you. And he goes, no,
Speaker 1: I quit before you got rid of me. And it
Speaker 1: was pretty funny. So I worked Hanson into my interview
Speaker 1: with Jerry too, Did you really? I said, A normal
Speaker 1: retirement age for a lot of people, sixty five. I hear,
Speaker 1: there's a sportscaster there's retiring at the age of seventy three.
Speaker 1: But you're never retiring. Are you, And of course Jerry
Speaker 1: said that you know, when you don't work, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna you know, what do you what's sort of retire
Speaker 1: from when you're right, you know, basically saying when you
Speaker 1: love what you do and it doesn't feel like work
Speaker 1: to you. So after after he said that, I say, well,
Speaker 1: they're the sportscaster're retiring and working twenty five. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty good dig, right. So yeah, so and so he's
Speaker 1: he's in the booth next to us. Um, I think
Speaker 1: he's with the is it is the ticket next? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, Uh, he's doing them. What if he
Speaker 1: thinks this is whatever radio station riches there, referee and
Speaker 1: dark and he might have just thought he was supposed
Speaker 1: to talk to us and we got a we got
Speaker 1: another mic right there you go. If he walked in
Speaker 1: all right, But yeah, he does that every training camp
Speaker 1: and it's it's usually at night and they do it live.
Speaker 1: But because of all the protocols, they had to do
Speaker 1: it this way. Well, I was just pleased that we
Speaker 1: were able to sit side by side. We were separated
Speaker 1: by about six feet whatever. But all the other one
Speaker 1: on one interviews that the TV stations are doing out
Speaker 1: here we're doing having to do it over the fence, right,
Speaker 1: which is just like all of the interviews are being
Speaker 1: done over the fence where you're separated by six feet
Speaker 1: or so. Yeah, and you know it's kind of working.
Speaker 1: Just have to remain flexible. And look, we see what's
Speaker 1: happening right now out there with the variant, and so precautions, precautions, precautions.
Speaker 1: And Frank Reich, the Indianapolis coach, sat a head coach,
Speaker 1: tested positive. He's fully vaccinated, and so they're just getting
Speaker 1: started with their camp and so he has to have
Speaker 1: two negative tests over a seventy two hour period in
Speaker 1: order to be able to be back with the team. Now,
Speaker 1: how do you think he contracted COVID nineteen if he's vaccinated,
Speaker 1: somebody that's not vaccinated passed it on to him. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't get me started. And that's why all of us
Speaker 1: in the media have to be fully vaccinated before we
Speaker 1: can get entrance here. Well, I saw that the NFL
Speaker 1: came out and it was maybe a month ago. It
Speaker 1: basically said if the media member wasn't vaccinated, they weren't
Speaker 1: allowing to the press box to cover the game. Well,
Speaker 1: and I saw a report yesterday that they're requiring it,
Speaker 1: that it hasn't been announced yet. The edict hasn't come
Speaker 1: down yet, but for network broadcasters, they can't go into
Speaker 1: the network booth unless they're fully vaccinated. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's coming down. You know. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: and a lot of times when these guys are doing
Speaker 1: the interviews here, they're they're being asked if they're vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Some guys, you know, kind of beat around the bush.
Speaker 1: They won't say. Michael Gallup was asked it yesterday and
Speaker 1: he just came right out and said, yeah, I'm vaccinated.
Speaker 1: And they were asking them all a lot of people
Speaker 1: are a little worried. You know, what was your incentive
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated? He said, you know, after games, I
Speaker 1: like to be able to hang with my family and friends.
Speaker 1: And he goes to me, that was incentive enough for
Speaker 1: me to get vaccinated, and what it didn't mention why
Speaker 1: I wanted to be safe or whatever it was. The
Speaker 1: protocols out there for unvaccinated players should be. It seems
Speaker 1: enough for guys to go, I'm going to get vaccinated,
Speaker 1: right because the guys around here that aren't vaccinated, they
Speaker 1: got masks on all the time, and they're not supposed
Speaker 1: to eat in the cafeteria. No. Now, I will say this,
Speaker 1: I understand, and Mike McCarthy's kind of talked about a
Speaker 1: little bit. I understand. I don't know if hesitancy is
Speaker 1: the right word now, but there are Everyone has their
Speaker 1: own situations in fact, and I'll just go ahead and
Speaker 1: say with me, I had COVID in February, and I
Speaker 1: was told by my doctor to wait to get vaccinated
Speaker 1: for three months, which took me to June, okay, And
Speaker 1: then I decided myself, I want to get a physical, okay,
Speaker 1: because I was due because I didn't get physical last year.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure everything's good, you know. And
Speaker 1: so it was it was first of July before I
Speaker 1: was able to get vaccinated, and so I got the
Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson because it was a one shot and
Speaker 1: then to go right. And so that's why I went
Speaker 1: with the Jay and Jay was so I would be
Speaker 1: fully vaccinated. And I got an antibodi's test at the
Speaker 1: time of my physical, and my antibody's test shows that
Speaker 1: they didn't explain what the number meant, but it was
Speaker 1: I have a lot of antibodies. Oh well, good, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're doubly right. And that's what And a doctor
Speaker 1: friend of mine who who's actually on a board advising
Speaker 1: corporations around the country about it, that he was encouraging me, Yes,
Speaker 1: you need to get vaccinated. Okay, great, I'm I'm all
Speaker 1: for it. Whatever. He told me, wait three months and
Speaker 1: then get the J and J and U. And so
Speaker 1: there could be players like these players who are who
Speaker 1: got vaccinated late. You know, they're maybe checking out, they're
Speaker 1: making sure that they get the right advice and Jerry
Speaker 1: and Jerry pointed out that they had a lot of
Speaker 1: guys in what he called the pipeline where maybe they
Speaker 1: were got the first one, they're waiting for the second one,
Speaker 1: or maybe they got the second one but waiting for
Speaker 1: the two week period. Afterwards, Michael Parson said that he
Speaker 1: is in that. Yeah, I think he's fully vaccinated as
Speaker 1: up tomorrow. And so so my physician friend told me,
Speaker 1: as old as you are, you better get it as
Speaker 1: soon as you can and try it. And I would
Speaker 1: have back in February or whenever my age came up,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was able to, but I had it.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I didn't have it badly. I felt it for
Speaker 1: three weeks and I was able to work from home,
Speaker 1: you know, and didn't miss a day at work. And
Speaker 1: for the people in the traveling party with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: that were on the charter, we all had to go
Speaker 1: get tested before we came out here. Well yeah, and
Speaker 1: all of the media members hadn't have a negative test before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what, the results didn't say negative, It
Speaker 1: said not detected. I wanted to hear something more affirmative, right,
Speaker 1: not detected That that kind of leaves wiggle room for
Speaker 1: a while. We didn't find anything, but maybe you know
Speaker 1: so anyway, all right, that's our COVID nineteen talk from today.
Speaker 1: That's enough COVID talk, and we've got much more to
Speaker 1: talk about with this Cowboys team when mix shots continues
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Speaker 1: Bill Chilves with Mickey Spagnola, our final segment. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take it another nineteen minutes or so. Here and by
Speaker 1: the way, we told the story about I think it
Speaker 1: was two thousand and five when Kevin Costner was a
Speaker 1: visitor to Cowboys training camp and we had him on
Speaker 1: one of our TV shows on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: Back on the Old Cowboys Channel, before the NFL network started.
Speaker 1: And Jake ben Waugh, who is an avid listener to
Speaker 1: all of the podcasts here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Uh,
Speaker 1: he found the video on YouTube of our interviews and
Speaker 1: he tweeted it at us. He is, Jake is at
Speaker 1: run Emmett Run on Twitter and he's got some seal
Speaker 1: shots of us interviewing Kevin Costner from sixteen years ago.
Speaker 1: So we got another tweet out and the Guide tweeted,
Speaker 1: it's better weather here in Scotland. Want to trade place?
Speaker 1: That's a good one. No, we're good. We're good. We're
Speaker 1: good where we are, all right? Other impressions from the
Speaker 1: early days of camp. Let's start, how about Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: who got some work, who's been getting some work at center,
Speaker 1: you know when he came out of Texas. Of course
Speaker 1: he played left tackle at Texas and because of the
Speaker 1: short arms, was moving inside in the NFL. But there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people, there are at least some
Speaker 1: draft people experts quote unquote who thought that his best
Speaker 1: position in the NFL might eventually be center. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he said there was only when he got worked out
Speaker 1: before the draft. There was only a couple of teams
Speaker 1: that suggested that maybe he was a guard center. He
Speaker 1: said most of his workouts before the draft were tackle guard,
Speaker 1: but it always kind of came up, and you know,
Speaker 1: the last couple of years they kind of dabbled with it,
Speaker 1: but not really hardly in the off season. Well this year, now,
Speaker 1: this is the first time I've actually seen him take
Speaker 1: like snaps in practice, and yesterday was a little more
Speaker 1: extensive as he was taking the second uh, the second
Speaker 1: team snaps at center. Uh the day before, he skied
Speaker 1: a shotgun snap over the quarterbacks. Say that didn't keep
Speaker 1: from playing. That's right by golly, because they had been
Speaker 1: using uh, Matt Forniak Uh, the Nebraska guy they drafted,
Speaker 1: I think it was in the sixth round. Uh. He
Speaker 1: had played guard, he had played all the things, but
Speaker 1: he played a little bit of center there. So they
Speaker 1: decided instead of him working at guard, they would work
Speaker 1: him at center. But uh, you know, Connor said, basically,
Speaker 1: you know, you just make himself more useful. And so
Speaker 1: what they're looking for, and it's one of the spots
Speaker 1: on this team that you know, has to get decided.
Speaker 1: Who's the backup center. They're fine with Tyler Biadish as
Speaker 1: the starting center. And and to me, and I've said
Speaker 1: this repeatedly, had he not gotten hurt last year, that
Speaker 1: center job would have been him his the rest of
Speaker 1: the way after he took over for Joe Looney who
Speaker 1: sprayed the knee. Uh so they need a backup and uh,
Speaker 1: you know the only other guy that they had been
Speaker 1: looking working as as a backup center? Um wash, where's
Speaker 1: the guy's name? It was Jones, Braylon Jones, free agent
Speaker 1: and he at least played center last year, right because
Speaker 1: other than be Idish on the roster right now, no
Speaker 1: one played center in the NFL last year on the roster. Uh.
Speaker 1: So again, um, we'll see how where this goes. But
Speaker 1: he seems willing. Uh, they seem serious about it. But
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, if if they don't think
Speaker 1: that works out, and Farniac's not ready, you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to find somebody. So it appears that they
Speaker 1: view Connor Williams as a better uh backup center, even
Speaker 1: though he's starting at guard right now than Connor McGovern
Speaker 1: would be as Yes, that's the way it looks. And
Speaker 1: and and now here's the other thing with Connor McGovern.
Speaker 1: To me, if if if ty Niseki or Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: or Josh Ball don't show that they're good enough to
Speaker 1: be the swing tackle, the backup swing tackle that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have struggled with for how many years, you think,
Speaker 1: four or five? If something happens to one of those starters,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin goes out to tackle, Connor McGovern goes to guard,
Speaker 1: And I think that's got to be in their mind
Speaker 1: because I think if that's the case, Connor McGovern can
Speaker 1: play guard better than the backup can play tackle. And
Speaker 1: I think you have to make that move with Martin,
Speaker 1: and you don't mess around like they did last year.
Speaker 1: You know, but because we hated to see what happened
Speaker 1: last year with the offensive line, but because of what
Speaker 1: happened with the offensive line, their depth is better on
Speaker 1: the offensive line now than it has been in all right,
Speaker 1: And as those guys got those snaps last and and
Speaker 1: and by the way, Terrence Deal was another guy that
Speaker 1: won one of the offseason workout awards, and and they're
Speaker 1: they're given him a chance on that backup job. Also,
Speaker 1: Brandon Knight, who started the other games at mostly at
Speaker 1: left tackle, he's been working at guard. So they're hoping
Speaker 1: the struggles Steal with last year benefited him to the
Speaker 1: point where he's that much better. See, you can't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick at every spot on the offensive
Speaker 1: line and especially the backup. You've got to have some
Speaker 1: developmental guys. And if Steel can do better than he
Speaker 1: did last year, then it'll be interest. And that's what
Speaker 1: we haven't seen until the pads come on, and that's
Speaker 1: that you know, that build that first preseason game, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. I think we're going to see
Speaker 1: a whole lot of these young guys playing because they've
Speaker 1: got the extra preseason game and those games are going
Speaker 1: to be important to guys like Steele and Josh Ball
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe they tell Connor Williams, even though
Speaker 1: you're the starter, we're gonna give you some snaps at center.
Speaker 1: But to bury the lead. We just buried the lead
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. And the lead on the offensive
Speaker 1: line is that Tyron Smith and Lyle Collins look good,
Speaker 1: look really good. As a matter of fact, I think
Speaker 1: there was maybe the day before Randy Gregory got got
Speaker 1: a pass rush on Tyrn yesterday, he didn't get past
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Tyring. I think got serious and
Speaker 1: locked him up. But I'll tell you what about tyring
Speaker 1: that I saw after Saturday's practice. He and Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: stayed out afterwards, and he was giving them tips on
Speaker 1: rushing the quarterback good and showing him the things that
Speaker 1: he's picked up on how he's stopped other guys. And
Speaker 1: one of the things he was showing them was Michael
Speaker 1: was trying to use this spin move to go inside
Speaker 1: and he was spinning before there was contact, and he
Speaker 1: was basically explaining to him, don't spin before you make
Speaker 1: contact because the tackles just sitting there waiting for you
Speaker 1: to come to him. Right, you got to hit him
Speaker 1: and then spin. And then he was showing him how
Speaker 1: to use his hands to get the hands off so
Speaker 1: he can complete his spin. Okay, so now let's talk
Speaker 1: about Michael Parsons. I love him, and I told you
Speaker 1: I love him as a player. I also love him
Speaker 1: as a guy to talk to. I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be the best interview on the team. How about
Speaker 1: you love him as a chess player. Because there were
Speaker 1: twenty hard knocks people showing or taping Michael Parsons and
Speaker 1: Ben d Nucci playing chess. It was the whole crew. Well,
Speaker 1: they probably didn't have anything else to do, right, So
Speaker 1: everybody was there but Parsons so far. Remember what I told.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked us, well, where's he going to play? And
Speaker 1: I said, on the field. They'll find a spot for him. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's my question for you. All Right, the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is all right, knock on wood, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: ready to go. Right, What is the inventory of edge
Speaker 1: rushers that are going to be contributing during this regular
Speaker 1: season for this team? Okay, we start with the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Randy Gregory correct, and Michael Parsons is right
Speaker 1: in that mix. Well, Terrell Basham is playing one of
Speaker 1: the defensive ends. So here's what they're doing with him,
Speaker 1: Bill when they and how about this, They've got some
Speaker 1: formations that they've got three linebackers on the field at
Speaker 1: the same time that we didn't see last year. Right,
Speaker 1: So when the three guys are out there, Jalen Smith's
Speaker 1: in the middle, Layton Vanderish is on the week side,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons on the strong side, and when he's on
Speaker 1: the strong side, he's lining up on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage like head up with the tight end. So depending
Speaker 1: what the formation is, he's either running with the tight
Speaker 1: end or they're blitzing the strong side linebacker off the edge.
Speaker 1: He can get there quit and he's awfully, awfully good.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to not just assume that he's
Speaker 1: covering the tight end and no matter how many wide
Speaker 1: receivers around the sit in other words, instead of the
Speaker 1: offense dictating, there you what the defense can do to
Speaker 1: try to defend them. This I think dan Quinn's putting
Speaker 1: a defense together because he says he talks about this
Speaker 1: defense is not the defense that they ran in Atlanta Rights.
Speaker 1: He's taken this personnel and he will be able to
Speaker 1: dictate defensively what's gonna happen on it. He's gonna match
Speaker 1: up like I've got the personnel, and that's what he said.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked him, how are you gonna get all these
Speaker 1: guys on the field. He goes, well, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: different matchups. So that's one of them. Now at this point,
Speaker 1: since it's young, early in camp, when they go to
Speaker 1: second team nickel, then Michael Parsons the middle linebacker, and
Speaker 1: somebody said, well, yeah, he rushed from the defensive tackle spot. Well,
Speaker 1: he was the middle linebacker in the gap like they've
Speaker 1: used Jalen Smith before. It right, and he rushed up
Speaker 1: the middle. But he the other day, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were here yet or not, they were doing
Speaker 1: that scramble drill and he was one of the He
Speaker 1: might have been lined up in the slot as the
Speaker 1: strong side guy. I don't remember where he started, but
Speaker 1: they scrambled and ceedee. Lamb was kind of dilly dowling
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and then he takes off
Speaker 1: right and he goes deep and he was almost to
Speaker 1: the end zone and right behind him, step for step,
Speaker 1: was Michael Parsons, And I'm going, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: There's number one against number one? And they were running
Speaker 1: step by step together. It was it was a thing
Speaker 1: to see. So they've used him on the nickel in
Speaker 1: the middle, and then at times when they do the
Speaker 1: individual drills, instead of Michael working with the linebackers covering
Speaker 1: tight ends or running backs, he's over there with the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman working on his pass rush drills. So he's
Speaker 1: as versatile as anybody I've seen, and he kind of
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing too. By the way, right right,
Speaker 1: And that's that's where I'm so impressed with him. Even
Speaker 1: you can see it in his interviews. Why I say
Speaker 1: that he's eventually going to be the best interview on
Speaker 1: the team. He gives thoughtful answers, he listens to your questions,
Speaker 1: and he's he's very real in his yeah, and in
Speaker 1: the way he responds to questions and stuff. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: so they're they're going to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: him on the field. It's interesting. Uh, with the exception
Speaker 1: of Dak, you know, he's Dak is Dak. Okay, the
Speaker 1: rest of the team, I think my two favorite players
Speaker 1: on this team are as far as what their potential
Speaker 1: is are Michael Parsons in cd L. Yeah absolutely, And
Speaker 1: they were first round draft rights and you know, and
Speaker 1: CD should have been higher if people are going to
Speaker 1: find that out right, those two players give me more
Speaker 1: excitement about this team than anybody anybody else. And part
Speaker 1: of that is how young they are, you know, in
Speaker 1: the in the futures all in front of them. And
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mean this disparagingly, well, maybe I do.
Speaker 1: The people that are like when they drafted Parsons at
Speaker 1: number twelve, well, you can't take a linebacker that high.
Speaker 1: You needed this, this or that. And it's like, you
Speaker 1: didn't just take a linebacker, you took one of those
Speaker 1: guys that comes along very not very off finger right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I remember one day it might have been us.
Speaker 1: I said something when somebody said, now, it wouldn't because
Speaker 1: you guys wouldn't have said that. They said, take a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I said, he's not a linebacker. They go, but you
Speaker 1: can get a linebacker. Later, I said, what if he's
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor? Just like that? And they go, oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go that fire And I go, okay, I get it,
Speaker 1: But what if he is. I'm not saying that instantly,
Speaker 1: but boy, he's got some talent now and it's showed
Speaker 1: out here Cede Lamb in his second year. And let's
Speaker 1: remember ced didn't have an off season last year, and
Speaker 1: he didn't have a preseason, and look what he did.
Speaker 1: Now he's got all this under his belt a second
Speaker 1: year doing the offseason workouts. Better watch out for him.
Speaker 1: And they're moving him around too, and you know it's
Speaker 1: it's like, let's take the honey badger Tyre Matthew. What
Speaker 1: position does he play? We don't know. Yeah right, I
Speaker 1: mean you'll list him on the depth chart maybe as
Speaker 1: a safety all over the fields. It's like it's almost
Speaker 1: like Paula Mallo. I remember talking to Bill Parcels about him,
Speaker 1: and Parcels goes, yeah, you know, I don't know where
Speaker 1: he plays. He says, I don't know that he knows
Speaker 1: where he plays. He just out there making plays. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're gonna see with this guy. Right. Okay,
Speaker 1: so in our last five and it's what are you
Speaker 1: looking forward to this week? And especially as they put
Speaker 1: on the pads on Wednesday? Yeah. Now, now when they
Speaker 1: put the pads on, I get a better idea of
Speaker 1: what's going on on the offensive line and defensive line,
Speaker 1: a much better idea when those guys can can use
Speaker 1: their pads. And then the other thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: wide receivers are really brave going over the middle when
Speaker 1: they know they're not getting hit. Right. Well, okay, let's
Speaker 1: see if you continue that, you know, or and will
Speaker 1: you hang onto the ball? Uh? Those are the things
Speaker 1: that to me always stand out. Now from a physical standpoint,
Speaker 1: I got no problem with the three offensive linemen that
Speaker 1: are back with the Tyrant Smith Lelle Collins and Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Those guys physically are ready to go. Blake Jarwin physically,
Speaker 1: he's running well, he's ready to go, you know. And
Speaker 1: and a guy that really showed up, maybe it was
Speaker 1: yesterday day before, Dalton Schultz. Yesterday we saw what he
Speaker 1: did the year. You know, sixty three catches. They're not
Speaker 1: many tight ends not named Witten in Cowboy history that
Speaker 1: have had sixty three catches in a season. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then but a lot of that, a lot of that
Speaker 1: was dump off stuff, right. But what we were seeing
Speaker 1: yesterday with some downfield stuff right exactly and making nice
Speaker 1: catches too. So uh, yeah, be interesting to see if
Speaker 1: the younger wide receivers, you know, I think Noah Brown, uh,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson so far have had really nice camps. Um,
Speaker 1: Johnny Dixon is interesting. Uh. And then yesterday, uh it
Speaker 1: was Malik Turner. I don't know much about Malik Turner,
Speaker 1: but he had a nice day two, number seventeen. So
Speaker 1: we'll see if that stuff continue. About the draft pick Hoko, Yes,
Speaker 1: and he's had a couple really nice catches too. So uh,
Speaker 1: here's here's the part. I think I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: the most because I think defensively, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of competitions, not only for a starting job, just
Speaker 1: to make the team. And I think when the pads
Speaker 1: come on, then we're going to see the competition increase.
Speaker 1: And that's the best part of training camp. And I
Speaker 1: know Mike McCarthy keeps talking about the competition, the competition,
Speaker 1: and I think when the pads come on that that
Speaker 1: we're going to see that. And it's mainly I mean,
Speaker 1: we can sit here, assuming they're hopefully there are no injuries,
Speaker 1: we could put We could pretty much tell you who's
Speaker 1: gonna make the team. On the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: oh absolutely, hey, but defense, it's all up in the era. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think the only sure things DeMarcus Laurence
Speaker 1: starts at left defensive end, Randy Gregory starts at the right,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs probably one of your starting corners. The other
Speaker 1: starting corner right now is Anthony Brown, but he better
Speaker 1: not have two bad days in a row before. Calvin Joseph. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he starting to show up just a little bit,
Speaker 1: and they've actually moved him in the slot a little bit,
Speaker 1: but mostly outside. Jordan Lewis has been in the slot.
Speaker 1: Maurice Kennedy has been in the slot, so yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see how that works out. The safety position, let's go.
Speaker 1: You know, if they're looking at Malik Hooker, then they're
Speaker 1: saying okay, kind of like the other guys, but let's
Speaker 1: see what this guy can do. Donovan Wilson maybe because
Speaker 1: he started last year ten games, but I think defensively
Speaker 1: it's gonna be competition. Offensively, the main competition would be
Speaker 1: for the backup swing tackle, backup center, and then backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and we can't tell you who's the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback here. I can't know. And then Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: didn't do himself any favor. He had back spasms on Saturday,
Speaker 1: he didn't practice, and any misspractice again yesterday. I'm told
Speaker 1: it's it's not that serious that he should be back soon.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if he's soon backup quarterback on this
Speaker 1: roster right now, but Ben d Nucci has been getting
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps as with the second team kind
Speaker 1: of sharing him with Garrett Gilbert. And when I asked
Speaker 1: McCarthy the question about the competition at backup quarterback, the
Speaker 1: only one he ended up talking about was Ben d Nucci.
Speaker 1: So he talked about how he got stronger. If if
Speaker 1: Ben da Nucci is your backup quarterback, how many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are going to be on this roster, Well, they'll be three,
Speaker 1: and they will keep their eyes open on the free
Speaker 1: agent wire for an experienced quarterback to come free, because
Speaker 1: everyone the quarterbacks on the roster now not named Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott have a combination a combined two NFL starts, and
Speaker 1: that scares me because that backup quarterback needs experience to
Speaker 1: be able to play that position. And so you never
Speaker 1: know with all those new quarterbacks that got drafted, somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna be its gonna be released. So keep an
Speaker 1: eye on They'll keep an eye on it, and you
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it too, not you, okay them? Folks?
Speaker 1: All right? Are we done? I think I think we
Speaker 1: kind of used hour. Right, how about that? That was fun?
Speaker 1: All right? So maybe the next time they have got
Speaker 1: a day off that there's an opening, which would be Friday, Friday,
Speaker 1: we'll have another mix shots. All right, as long as
Speaker 1: you're still here. I'm still here Friday, all right until
Speaker 1: next Monday. Sounds good though. All right? That does it
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