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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us as we fight

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Speaker 1: the battle truth and justice across the fruited planes. I

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Speaker 1: am Clay Travis. He is buck Sexton. I am up

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. For the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: We've got several senators who will be swinging by in

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Speaker 1: person to talk with all of you, including our good

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Speaker 1: friend Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who will join us

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Speaker 1: at one point thirty here in the DC studio, Bill

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Speaker 1: Haggerty of Tennessee in the third hour of the program,

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Speaker 1: both in person. We'll haverow tomorrow some more good guests

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Speaker 1: in person. Buck is down in Miami. A couple of

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Speaker 1: things that are worth hitting as we begin the show.

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Speaker 1: Iron's president dies in a helicopter crash. Pretty crazy the

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Speaker 1: way that that story played out. We'll see if there

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Speaker 1: ends up being any sort of nefarious allegations about how

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Speaker 1: that happened, but so far it appears that the helicopter

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Speaker 1: went down in awful weather conditions.

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Speaker 2: So we'll you also the foreign minister. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is like the president and the Secretary of State

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Speaker 2: equivalent in Iran dead in a helicopters.

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Speaker 1: So do you think you've flown a lot in helicopters,

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Speaker 1: And certainly for anybody out there who has flown in helicopters,

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Speaker 1: you always hear that they're way more dangerous than an

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Speaker 1: airplane would be. Do you when you hear this, buck,

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Speaker 1: does your antennae as a former CIA person go up

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Speaker 1: and you think there's something more to this than just

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Speaker 1: a helicopter accident? Or is your inclination that this would

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Speaker 1: be such a major thing to attempt to do as

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned President and Secretary of State effectively both

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Speaker 1: going down in the same helicopter, that this would be

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Speaker 1: hard even too aggressive for someone who is an anti

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Speaker 1: Iranian actor to even attempt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this is a function of the

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Speaker 2: Iranian government is incompet There have been sanctions for a

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Speaker 2: long time that make it harder for them to get

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Speaker 2: good aviation equipment of all kinds.

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Speaker 3: Just keep that in mind. I mean, they let me.

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Speaker 2: Look at their military. The stuff that they're generally operating

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Speaker 2: with is crappy. I mean, if you told me that

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Speaker 2: I had to get up, you know, it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to get up in a US military blackhawk, you've got

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Speaker 2: high level training, the best technology you're going to get

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Speaker 2: up in an Iranian government helicopter. I mean, good luck

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Speaker 2: and this is just I think, horrible luck for the

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Speaker 3: So there's that, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people could talk about poetic justice and all

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Speaker 2: the rest of it, but I don't see this as

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Speaker 2: there's no basis to believe that it is sabotage. There's

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Speaker 2: plenty of basis to believe that the Iranians can't fly

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Speaker 2: a helicopter, even for their own president. You know, for

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Speaker 2: people out there who are wondering the Ayatola is still

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Speaker 3: He's eighty five years old.

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Speaker 1: But this was a guy that many people had thought

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Speaker 1: was potentially going to be his successor. Sixty three years

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Speaker 1: old the Iranian president who died, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: Iranians celebrated his death because he's considered the butcher of Iran,

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Speaker 1: because he has been so aggressive in stifling any kind

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Speaker 1: of Iranian people. So there were some videos that were

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Speaker 1: Iranian people celebrating this guy's death, So that occurred out there.

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Speaker 1: I'll mention you discussed the dangers of helicopters. I think

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this on the show if I haven't before.

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Speaker 1: My uncle who served during Vietnam Buck his job was,

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Speaker 1: he was in Vietnam and he was in charge of

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Speaker 1: probably still have similar rules. When you repaired the helicopter,

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Speaker 1: your crew was the first one to go up in

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Speaker 2: Skydiving community, you always pack your own shoot, you know

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Speaker 2: it if you go up in it first. Afterwards, no doubt,

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Speaker 2: if you were willing to cut corners in any way,

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Speaker 2: which you shouldn't be doing when you have to be

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Speaker 2: the first group that's going up in that helicopter. He said,

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Speaker 2: they were incredibly diligent, as you can well imagine during

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Speaker 2: to my uncle Kenneth, who is over eighty now doing well,

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Speaker 2: but served the country during Vietnam as a helicopter repairman

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Speaker 2: it's terrifying to think about. Honestly, when you contemplate you're

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Speaker 2: you can't see very much oftentimes not great optics, and

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Speaker 2: I mentioned the Harvard Harris poll. Trump up six.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's the biggest lead he's ever had in

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Speaker 1: his political career in that Harvard Harris poll. We will discuss,

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Speaker 1: but buck. Right now, Michael Cohen's cross examination continues, and

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Speaker 1: Todd Blanche, the Trump defense attorney, is absolutely eviscerating him

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure again, we talked a lot about this

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Speaker 1: one situation where we have finally proved and that a

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Speaker 1: crime did take place. Michael Cohen admits on the witness

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Speaker 1: stand in the last hour or so that he stole

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars from the Trump organization. He is a thief.

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Speaker 1: We already know that he is a felon. Here is

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Speaker 4: Listen, let me read for you the exchange between Todd

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Speaker 4: Blanche and Michael Cohen. So you only gave him twenty

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars and you took thirty thousand dollars, Blanch, you

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Speaker 4: stole from the Trump organization. Right, Cohen says, yes, sir,

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Speaker 4: Blanche goes on later on, he says, you did steal

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Speaker 4: And he says, yes, sir, so again that is breaking

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Speaker 4: to hose what you were just talking about in this

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Speaker 4: brown paper bag all cash. He came to the Trump

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Speaker 3: Out to this individual.

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Speaker 4: The other thirty thousand dollars Michael Cohen kept to himself. Subsequently,

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Speaker 4: why Tom Blanch is now saying, okay, so you stole

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Speaker 1: Buck Okay, I mean for the star witness to admit

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Speaker 1: all the other lies that he has told, that he

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Speaker 1: directly stole from the Trump organization, I don't see how

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Speaker 2: This whole case is collapsing. Well, here's the thing, Clay,

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Speaker 2: Yes it should. It should collapse. It also should have

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Speaker 2: been thrown out by the judge. It also should never

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Speaker 2: have been brought. It also is insane, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: In New York City, it is really it.

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Speaker 2: I think in essence becomes an extra judicial process because

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Speaker 2: it's all about politics and not about what's actually happening

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Speaker 3: It has been up to this point.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutors and judges and Judge Murchand have shown us

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Speaker 2: that and a normal circumstance, in normal order, a normal trial.

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Speaker 2: If your star witness and no one disagrees that he

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Speaker 2: is the you could not make this case without Michael Cohen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if this was a murder, he's the eyewitness

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Speaker 2: to the shooting, right, But as we know, it's the

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Speaker 2: opposite of a murder. It's a bank records like dispute.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing, I mean, our business records dispute. The

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Speaker 2: whole thing is absolutely absurd. But without Michael Cohen, there

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Speaker 2: is no case. And if you had any other legal

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Speaker 2: disagree with this, if your star witness, without whom there

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Speaker 2: and he just admitted to being a lawyer who steals

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Speaker 3: His client, a client that at the time he thought

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Speaker 2: A father figure. I think the case is gone, right,

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Speaker 2: I think it's all over. But I don't think this

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Speaker 2: but I'm still I still think it's way too early

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Speaker 1: This is why the federal government chose not to bring

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Speaker 1: That was my walk from the hotel this morning, and

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Speaker 1: we don't have a strong enough case, is exactly what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing take place with Michael Cohen right now. And

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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen has tried to buck portray himself as a victim.

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Speaker 1: When we come back in a couple of minutes. Here,

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Speaker 1: I want to run through for you the amount of

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Speaker 1: money that Michael Cohen was making after Trump was elected,

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Speaker 1: based on his proximity to Donald Trump. The dollar figures,

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Speaker 1: the first place. The amount that Michael Cohen was making,

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Speaker 1: somehow a victim. He cashed in off his proximity to

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Speaker 1: in DC. Buck down in Miami. We got a lot

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Speaker 2: From the front lines of Truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck Clay live

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Speaker 3: You know, did I steal from my client? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I made a bet last week with one of our

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Speaker 1: And I think even on MSNBC and CNN, you're starting

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Speaker 2: And I think that the more the deeper into this

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Speaker 2: I think that chance of that is like moonshot, very low.

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Speaker 1: Come Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I know

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's important to understand what outside of this universe

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: This has given such ammunition as to possibly fatally undermine

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Speaker 3: Let's a quick cut, buck.

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Speaker 1: But if they're saying on CNN that they may have

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel about what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: I think it's all, what's the kabuki theater? That is

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Speaker 3: That's a kabuki theater is a clayism.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we're seeing here. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Let me hit you with this.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned in the open that Michael Cohen has been

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Speaker 3: Buck. I want to hit you with this.

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Speaker 1: Cohen made four million dollars from just four corporate clients,

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Speaker 1: great work if you can get it. No Vartis also

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Speaker 2: I would just tell you I wouldn't I don't know

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Speaker 2: that money for most people. Look, what's going on here

436
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Speaker 2: is he's influenced pedaling.

437
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Speaker 3: We all know that.

438
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Speaker 2: Yep, he's effectively operating outside regulations as a lobbyist as

439
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Speaker 2: a here, so he's really an unregistered backdoor lobbyist getting

440
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Speaker 2: paid by companies to influence pedal and man, it was

441
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: good money for him. One point five million dollars for

442
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Speaker 2: six communications. I mean, you think that escorts charged big dollars.

443
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: Michael Court Michael Cohen is the most expensive escurt ever.

444
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: That's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars if I'm doing

445
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Speaker 2: my math, which is always dangerous per communication with that company,

446
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: and the reason they're paying him, obviously is because he's

447
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: telling them, if you need to get to Trump, I

448
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: have access to be able to do so. So he

449
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: made as much money, probably as anyone in the country

450
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Speaker 2: based on his communications and access to Trump. So he

451
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: banked all this money, millions and millions of dollars from

452
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Speaker 2: just these handful of clients. Then he flipped became the

453
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Speaker 2: anti Trump and made I think he testified buck over

454
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Speaker 2: four million dollars in royalties from the books he wrote

455
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Speaker 2: about how awful Trump was. We're talking about a guy

456
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Speaker 2: playing both sides here to the tune of probably over

457
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Speaker 2: ten million dollars in the space of just a couple

458
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Speaker 2: of years. I think we're gonna have to put this

459
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Speaker 2: to a poll on Twitter. Maybe maybe you know you can,

460
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: you can retweet it so we can get an even

461
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Speaker 2: more reach. I really am curious at this point who

462
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Speaker 2: is the scummier lawyer, Michael Cohen or Michael Avanatti.

463
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Speaker 3: It is Cohen by far, I.

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Speaker 2: Would have said Avanati before that. I think it's got

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Speaker 2: to be Cohen. Now I think Cohen is scummier than Avinatti,

466
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Speaker 2: which is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well, remember Avinatti's now saying, hey, if you need me

468
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Speaker 1: to testify, I can testify as to how scummy Cohen is.

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Speaker 2: I think Avannatti, who the Democrats, Let's not forget we're

470
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Speaker 2: talking about openly on TV as a possible dark horse

471
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Speaker 2: presidential contender at one point against Trump back in like

472
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. I think Avanadi didn't he

473
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Speaker 2: steal millions of dollars from a client who was in

474
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Speaker 2: a wheelchair? If I remember that correctly? Am I Am

475
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Speaker 2: I wrong about that? I feel like that happened. It's

476
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Speaker 2: not a good I don't remember. He is a level

477
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Speaker 2: of scummy that is truly mind blowing. But I do

478
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Speaker 2: think that Michael Cohen maybe the scummiest attorney, which no

479
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Speaker 2: offense to the lawyers Clay. There are some scummy attorneys

480
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Speaker 2: out there. I think he may be the scummiest attorney.

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard of.

482
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Speaker 2: I think better call Saul has way better ethics. Well,

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Speaker 2: I would think that.

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Speaker 1: I would also add I don't think Michael Cohen would

485
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Speaker 1: be an awful attorney. I mean the actual process of

486
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Speaker 1: being an attorney. I mean, Alvanati, I think Cohen is

487
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Speaker 1: not a very high level legal mind. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Avanatti is stupid. In other words, Cohen has never struck

489
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Speaker 1: me as a guy who's particularly brilliant. And here's where

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Speaker 1: you could if you want to criticize Trump. This goes

491
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Speaker 1: back to I think the number one criticism that you

492
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Speaker 1: could make about Trump's entire first term. He hired a

493
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Speaker 1: lot of bad dudes and gals that were not loyal

494
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Speaker 1: to him, that were not particularly sharp. I hope and

495
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Speaker 1: I think that he has learned the significance of the

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Speaker 1: people that he hires. I think Trump, when he ran

497
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: the Trump Organization was such a one man band that

498
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: he was able to have a lot of success even

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Speaker 1: without elite talent surrounding.

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Speaker 2: Is the company. I mean, it's his name and it's

501
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Speaker 2: his persona. Trump is the Trump Organization, and so I

502
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: think he leveled up a lot of the people around

503
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Speaker 2: him to the point where as a business person it

504
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: didn't matter as much. At a level of representation he had.

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Speaker 2: I think in the White House that changes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that this is it's an important conversation to

507
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Speaker 2: we have because I do believe that Donald Trump is

508
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Speaker 2: going to be the next president of the United States.

509
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: We're not celebrating it yet because we don't know and

510
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: everything can change, and I get that, but I think

511
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: it's important to talk about this and to next time.

512
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Speaker 2: We should even bring it up with the president when

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Speaker 2: we talked to him. Well, we just talked him last week, right,

514
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Speaker 2: so you know, we'll talk to him again before the

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Speaker 2: R and C, I'm sure. And the issue of personnel,

516
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Speaker 2: I've been critical of Trump personnel to the point where

517
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Speaker 2: I had a lot of folks mad at me, and

518
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Speaker 2: then Trump said, look, I made some really bad personnel decisions.

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Speaker 2: And then people stop being mad at me because I

520
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Speaker 2: was just trying to help.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Coaching, so the team wins is different than you know,

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Speaker 2: booing from the stands because they're rooting for the other team, right,

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Speaker 2: And Trump I think needed help on personnel decisions. I

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Speaker 2: will say, though, to the degree that I mean, in

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Speaker 2: his defense on the personnel decisions, a little bit. Loyalty

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Speaker 2: when you're working for somebody in a corporate setting at

528
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Speaker 2: the Trump organization, when there's lots of money going around

529
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Speaker 2: and everything is good and real estate's booming, et cetera,

530
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Speaker 2: is a very different kind of loyalty than the Washington

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Speaker 2: Post is rummaging through your trash and trying to destroy

532
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Speaker 2: your life and people are giving death threats to you know,

533
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: your wife or your daughter's yeah or whatever. Very true,

534
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: and that's what you sign on for to be a

535
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: part of a Trump administration as opposed to the Trump organization, right,

536
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Speaker 2: So I do think that that's there was a learning

537
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: curve there that would be expected. I also think it's

538
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: important coin stole this thirty thousand dollars ish that he

539
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: just testified to under oath. It's a estimate to how

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Speaker 2: successful the Trump organization was that the money could be

541
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Speaker 2: stolen and they didn't necessarily notice because some people out

542
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: there say, oh, my goodness, how could thirty thousand dollars be?

543
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: So there are successful companies out there that somebody embezzles

544
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Speaker 2: seven figures over a million dollars and they don't know

545
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: because there's so much money coming and going. There's so

546
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: much dollars coming in and out, and a successful business.

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Speaker 2: The amount of money that you would track, you know,

548
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: for normal people, thirty thousand dollars a lot of money

549
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: for a successful business. It's a rounding error very often

550
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: with all these dollars moving. And so it doesn't stun

551
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Speaker 2: me that something like this could happen. But I think

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Speaker 2: it also speaks to how bad of a witness Cohen

553
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Speaker 2: is that he could get caught red handed like this

554
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Speaker 2: and have to admit under cross x. Not only do

555
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Speaker 2: I hate the guy that I'm testifying against and want

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Speaker 2: him to go to prison now for the rest of

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Speaker 2: his life, but oh, by the way, I'm the only

558
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Speaker 2: person that has been proven to red handed have committed

559
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Speaker 2: a crime. And some of you going to ask can

560
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Speaker 2: he be prosecuted on this? Evidently the statute of limitations

561
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: has run on that theft, so he can now admit

562
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Speaker 2: to the crime under oath in the courtroom and theoretically

563
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Speaker 2: not be charged with it. Much like we talked about

564
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Speaker 2: this last week, Buck the Diddy video that came out

565
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Speaker 2: of him beating his girlfriend. Oh, it's convenient it comes

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Speaker 2: out after the statute of limitations has run and there's

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Speaker 2: no way to actually prosecute him for it in both

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Speaker 2: of those coincidences. Oh, by the way, it's awfully nice

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Speaker 2: that you come clean now, but there is no ability

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Speaker 2: to prosecute you for what would be a high level

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Speaker 2: of theft that would theoretically be facing years in prison for. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll always be skeptical when people say they take full

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Speaker 2: accountability for anything when they've waited until there will be

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Speaker 2: no accountability for anything.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Eh, that's that's that's an

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Speaker 3: easy one, right.

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Speaker 2: I will take whatever comes my way now that the

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Speaker 2: statute of limitations has run out and nothing can happen

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Speaker 2: to me. Eight hundred two eight two two eighth two

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Speaker 2: Oh next Hour, Morehouse, Morehouse College. Joh Joe Biden gave

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Speaker 2: a speech there, and we want to talk to you

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Speaker 2: about Biden's speech. It's a reminder and this is kind

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Speaker 2: of my high level if you're asking for the one liner,

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Speaker 2: you know, the one liner about the speech. Biden's a

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Speaker 2: bad guy who will say anything for power. That's that's

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Speaker 2: really to me.

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Speaker 3: What the what?

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Speaker 2: The Morehouse College speech was a reminder of he's a

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Speaker 2: bad guy who will say anything for political power. We're

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Speaker 2: going there in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Don in New Jersey has some thoughts on Trump, New York, Cohen,

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Speaker 2: all the US.

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Speaker 3: What's up, Don, gentlemen?

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Speaker 5: How you doing? Love the shore?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 5: Really quick? As I was ting you call taker. Regardless

642
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: of the overwhelming evidence and regardless of the Clinton News

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Speaker 5: network going to calm it seems this morning I have

644
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Speaker 5: been telling my wife for two weeks he's definitely gonna

645
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Speaker 5: be found guilty. The reason being is, you know, these

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Speaker 5: jurors are probably it Trump. They have friends and family

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Speaker 5: members who I'm positive know that they're sitting in that

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Speaker 5: jury as a juror, and if they do not want

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Speaker 5: to be known as the jury who founds him not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Don, I don't know if you heard this on the

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Speaker 2: show I just want to say you're a very smart

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Speaker 2: and a stute fellow, because I have also said they're

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Speaker 2: going to convict him. I was a little bit iffier

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Speaker 2: on it actually before, but I think they're going to

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Speaker 2: convict him. And I think your point is a critical one,

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Speaker 2: which is that no matter what the jur whenever, sorry,

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Speaker 2: no matter what the judge's instructions are, the jury names

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Speaker 2: will get out, and if there's one holdout for a

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Speaker 2: hung jury, that person is going to have their life room, Clay,

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Speaker 2: what do you think?

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Speaker 1: This is why I think it can be important to

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Speaker 1: have multiple jurors who believe that he's not guilty, because

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Speaker 1: there is some strength in numbers. And I do think

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Speaker 1: if there's two or three people who initially when they

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Speaker 1: do a poll, hey do you think he's guilty or not?

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Speaker 1: If they say no, I think that becomes more difficult.

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Speaker 1: There is a scenario buck, which is gleeful to me,

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Speaker 1: where they refuse to convict Trump. Right as soon as

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Speaker 1: they refuse to convict Trump, the Hunter Biden trial starts

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Speaker 1: the next Monday, and so we can go from Trump's

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Speaker 1: not going to be convicted of anything to Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: has back to back federal criminal trials, both in Delaware

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Speaker 1: and California, where he could be convicted of both of

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Speaker 1: those before Joe Biden, even in theory, before Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump are able to debate on June twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: And that's one area I hope we talked about the

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Speaker 1: debate Buck. That's one area where I really hope Trump

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Speaker 1: goes in on Biden the lie that he told about

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Speaker 1: his son in the debates in twenty twenty. If Hunter

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Speaker 1: is doubly convicted, then suddenly Biden has to answer in

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Speaker 1: some way for his son, who is a convicted felon

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Speaker 1: that he claimed was the smartest man he knew and

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Speaker 1: had never done anything wrong. I still think Biden is

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Speaker 1: very vulnerable there to independent voters based on the lies

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Speaker 1: that he's told associated with Hunter.

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Speaker 2: We're going to come back in here shortly to have

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Speaker 2: a conversation about Biden's speech at Morehouse College and how

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Speaker 2: he is clearly trying to get as or trying to

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Speaker 2: off the support that he has from the black community

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Speaker 2: based on his comments.

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Speaker 3: We shall discuss that.

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Speaker 2: Plus, we've got some senators going to be joining Clay

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Speaker 2: in the swamp in a little bit