WEBVTT - Tech Earnings and Apple's New iPads

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<v Speaker 1>From Mahard where Innovation, Money and power Collie in Silicon Valley, NBN.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline Hyde and Ed Ludlow.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Caroline Heidel, Bloomberg's World headquarters in New York. Ed

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<v Speaker 3>Ludlow's off This is Bloomberg Technology coming up. We engage

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<v Speaker 3>the health of technology earnings with eighty percent of S

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<v Speaker 3>and P five companies out with results. And as Buffett

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<v Speaker 3>cuts his steak, we'll push your head to Apple's product

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<v Speaker 3>event as the company prepares to launch new iPads plus,

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<v Speaker 3>we speak to andrel founder.

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<v Speaker 4>Palmer Lucky as a company announces.

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<v Speaker 3>A brand new range of AI powered products. But first

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<v Speaker 3>let's check in on these markets and look, we have

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<v Speaker 3>a post fed feeling of well optimism in the markets

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<v Speaker 3>that feel so. We don't have an awful lot of

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<v Speaker 3>economic data on the table. We do have some significant

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<v Speaker 3>bondishuents ten yure yields holding steady. We're four point five

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<v Speaker 3>percent the nawstak managing to push up to six tens

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<v Speaker 3>ofven percent, notably seeing the S and P five hundred

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<v Speaker 3>breaking some of those technical levels of where we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>an average and trade over the last fifty days.

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<v Speaker 4>So there seems to be some boyant moves and risk

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<v Speaker 4>on attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>Not though in bitcoin, though crypto off by nine tens

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<v Speaker 3>of percent, we're seeing sixty three one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>five is currently where we trade.

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<v Speaker 4>Move it on though, and when it comes to encrypto.

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<v Speaker 3>Related news will be digging into what's happened.

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<v Speaker 4>With Robin Herd.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, wells notice received SEC looking at particularly it's

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<v Speaker 3>crypto sales that it currently does up seven tens percent,

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<v Speaker 3>despite of course announcing that the SEC may well be

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<v Speaker 3>looking into its business. Apple down seven tens percent. This

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<v Speaker 3>is all post of course, the oracle of Omaha over

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<v Speaker 3>Warren Buffett saying, look, I'm pulling back on the steak

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<v Speaker 3>in Apple, even though he did shower its praise over

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<v Speaker 3>the business, really loving the iPhone product. But nevertheless, we

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<v Speaker 3>look ahead to new products, new iPads. Push ahead with

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<v Speaker 3>that in Mark German in a moment, but in Vidia

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<v Speaker 3>up two point six percent. I want to shine like

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<v Speaker 3>more broadly on some of each makers because we are

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<v Speaker 3>seeing a lot of movement higher the socks, for example

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<v Speaker 3>trading high and Vidia is still yet to report that

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<v Speaker 3>comes May twenty May twenty second. We also get arm

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<v Speaker 3>this week. There is still so much to be said

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<v Speaker 3>for earnings. The earning season well underway. Results from about

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<v Speaker 3>eighty percent of the S and P five hundred already

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<v Speaker 3>in technology communication services companies, they're beating profit estimates.

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<v Speaker 4>Roughly ninety percent of.

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<v Speaker 3>Teching communication services companies actually topped earnings estimates, according to

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<v Speaker 3>Day to combined by Bloomberg. When get all the statistics,

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg's jestmenton is with us and pleased to say, and

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<v Speaker 3>just more broadly, it feels as though when companies have

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<v Speaker 3>beat have they really outperformed? I mean, Apple was a

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<v Speaker 3>massive sigh of relief when we saw the stock rally,

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<v Speaker 3>but how has that been bearing up?

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<v Speaker 5>So you can actually see this function in Bigo, So

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<v Speaker 5>Gina Marrit Adams team ver in that function and you

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<v Speaker 5>can see basically on the equities there. So when you're

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<v Speaker 5>looking at how starks in aggregate from the S and

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<v Speaker 5>P five hundred have been performing in excess of the

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<v Speaker 5>broader index, they actually it's basically kind of appeals in

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<v Speaker 5>comparison to how they have been in prior quarters. But nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 5>because of Apple on Friday, when you see this now

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<v Speaker 5>the S and P five hundred since earning season basically

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<v Speaker 5>got into full swing with JP Morgan back on April twelfth.

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<v Speaker 5>Now it's up close to about one percent in that span.

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<v Speaker 5>It had been about lower than one percent prior to

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<v Speaker 5>Apple's earnings results. So now you're starting to see that

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<v Speaker 5>pick up a bit just on the back of obviously

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<v Speaker 5>these big tech bell weathers. But to your point, Caroline,

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<v Speaker 5>we still have Nvidia coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>On May twenty second, I know, and there was so

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<v Speaker 4>much optimism baked in.

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<v Speaker 3>What about those that have missed, I mean, they've been

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<v Speaker 3>punished hot, have they and have have been any themes

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<v Speaker 3>as to why they've missed.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that's a great point too, because a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>that also has to do with more forward looking guidance.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's why because as we know, when you do

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<v Speaker 5>think about first quarter earnings results, that is more backward looking.

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<v Speaker 5>So when it comes to the guidance, that's where it

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<v Speaker 5>has been disappointing. And then, of course, because this is

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<v Speaker 5>a technology program, obviously a lot of traders and investors

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<v Speaker 5>want to know when those cost cutting efforts that have

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<v Speaker 5>really helped propel any sort of big tech company or

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<v Speaker 5>especially anything that is tied to that, especially as when

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<v Speaker 5>you think back to Meta at the end of twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two when it started its first big job cuts

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<v Speaker 5>entranch there and then another one last spring. How much

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<v Speaker 5>longer can this continue? So if you look at the

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<v Speaker 5>bifunction though on a twelve month aggregate basis, seal site

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<v Speaker 5>analysts are still marking up their projections for technology companies

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<v Speaker 5>and growth companies too, But a lot of those laggards

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<v Speaker 5>like healthcare and utilities, those are actually starting.

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<v Speaker 3>To pick up too now maybe with the effect of AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Many wanted to just see that impact. How the industry

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<v Speaker 3>groups just lastly give us the sentence of whether companies

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<v Speaker 3>have already been rewarding shareholders, because that felt like why

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the reason Apple popped it was because

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<v Speaker 3>we got a massive buyback was starting to see companies

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<v Speaker 3>give dividends. I mean, you triggered my memory with the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that Meta didn't this time, but they did in

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<v Speaker 3>the pre setting season.

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<v Speaker 5>That's always usually music to trader's ears there. But also

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<v Speaker 5>the big thing about buybacks is also when you look

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<v Speaker 5>at what's happening with Capex and reinvesting into those businesses,

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<v Speaker 5>so just beyond that, So that's something that investors want

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<v Speaker 5>to see more of as far as what are companies

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<v Speaker 5>doing to reinvest beyond just those buyback programs, But we

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<v Speaker 5>have seen a number of companies in a especially to

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<v Speaker 5>your point, Caroline, looking at Apple with that historic buyback announcement.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course it still has to execute those, but we

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<v Speaker 5>still have when you're thinking about what potential catalysts could

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<v Speaker 5>come for Apple. Obviously we know in early June we'll

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<v Speaker 5>have the Worldwide Developers Conference, but I know Mark German

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<v Speaker 5>from Bloomberg is coming up soon, so he's going to

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<v Speaker 5>talk about the big event tomorrow where potentially we could

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<v Speaker 5>can see some more new iPads that are coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>Caroline, let Mark loose at the moment of the HANJ

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<v Speaker 3>just meant and brilliant to have your round level what's

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<v Speaker 3>been happening in.

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<v Speaker 4>Terms of the earning season.

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<v Speaker 3>We actually want to get aroun investors take care as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Uncle Crawlford's with us executive vice president for Phodio manager

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<v Speaker 3>over at algia twenty five billion dollars NASA's under management,

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<v Speaker 3>and Uncle Apple actually one of your biggest holdings. You

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<v Speaker 3>have been cutting that a little bit across some of

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<v Speaker 3>your funds. Water Muffett doing the same thing. How have

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<v Speaker 3>you interpreted, for example, a company such as Apple's results

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately the growth trajectory of a business like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, Apple is a consumer utility, and one of the

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<v Speaker 6>things about Apple has been that they has been slower

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<v Speaker 6>in adopting this AI cycle. So the hope is that

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<v Speaker 6>at some point they will catch up and they will

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<v Speaker 6>be a FEST follower, which we strongly believe that they will.

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<v Speaker 6>But in the near term, there are other companies that

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<v Speaker 6>are more immediately investing in and procuring AI type revenues

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<v Speaker 6>that is propelling growth.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's talk through some of those names.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've heard from Alphabet, from Amazon, from Meta,

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<v Speaker 3>all of them. The capec spend their making are they

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<v Speaker 3>building the reward in return for that investment?

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<v Speaker 6>From your perspective, absolutely, It's the number one thing that

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<v Speaker 6>we have been looking at through this earning season has

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<v Speaker 6>been capex and how these companies are spending their capex.

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<v Speaker 6>We wholeheartedly expected them to have a big CABEC CAPEX

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<v Speaker 6>number through twenty twenty four, and they're even talking about

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty five. And this to us is the leading

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<v Speaker 6>indicator of what's to come in AI because they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be building this CAPEX unless they saw the demand trends.

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<v Speaker 6>I would remind you that during earning season, both Microsoft

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<v Speaker 6>and Amazon talked about how they were limited on capacity

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<v Speaker 6>of GPUs. So this again, I mean people keep asking

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<v Speaker 6>like the where is the application.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone is using those GPUs?

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<v Speaker 6>They're all used up already, the hundreds of millions that

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<v Speaker 6>have always been already been spent.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course benefits from the desire for GPUs. It's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in video, right, I mean, is that

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<v Speaker 3>the number one play for you? Have you been looking

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<v Speaker 3>at well a MD or indeed looking at the design

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<v Speaker 3>element with M Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think a lot of boat boats are going

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<v Speaker 6>to rise over the next decade, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>boats are rising now. So it will it be a

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<v Speaker 6>winner take all market. It's not going to be a

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<v Speaker 6>winner take all market. There will be many different winners.

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<v Speaker 6>Nvidia is going to be the winner take most however,

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<v Speaker 6>and we are really excited about what Nvidia is doing

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<v Speaker 6>in terms of not only software development, but how they're

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<v Speaker 6>changing the network in order to make data centers more efficient.

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<v Speaker 6>So they're reaching out beyond just chips into the price

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<v Speaker 6>networking and software as well, so that sets up a

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<v Speaker 6>really great note for them and makes us very bullish

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<v Speaker 6>on Nvidia.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's one of your number one holdings across

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<v Speaker 3>some of your largest funds. I note that you've also

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<v Speaker 3>been starting new funds and ETF in particular, trying to

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<v Speaker 3>execute on this AI theme. Can you talk us through

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<v Speaker 3>some of the names and perhaps why not automatically consider

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<v Speaker 3>the AI play that you've been adding to.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so you know there's two companies in the industrial space,

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<v Speaker 6>Vertive and Quantu Services, both of which are you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they used to be relatively slow growth companies but are

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<v Speaker 6>now levered to the AI play. Vertive makes cooling systems

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<v Speaker 6>for data centers, and Quanta I actually I joke that

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<v Speaker 6>these are ditch diggers or their pool climbers, because they

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<v Speaker 6>effectively distribute or make the transmission for electricity.

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<v Speaker 4>Both of these.

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<v Speaker 6>Things are going to be to have radically changing competitive

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<v Speaker 6>dynamics in that, for example, for Quanta, we don't have

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<v Speaker 6>enough electricity, so we expect to see utility capex start

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<v Speaker 6>to rise incrementally over the next five to seven years,

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<v Speaker 6>all of which will service the people that implement the

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<v Speaker 6>transmission lines.

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<v Speaker 4>For Vertive, you have a.

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<v Speaker 6>Very changing dynamic on the cooling aspect of the data

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<v Speaker 6>center and vertive ends up being the net winner.

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<v Speaker 3>And God, that's really interesting because we're hearing again and

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<v Speaker 3>again that this is a worry for example of Sam

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<v Speaker 3>Altman been going around the Middle East in particular, worrying

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<v Speaker 3>that the key anxiety, the kid bottlenecks here are energy

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<v Speaker 3>and indeed access to GPU. That's why there's been so

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<v Speaker 3>much reporting of the fact that he's trying to build

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<v Speaker 3>up other chip makers. How have you been thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately that actually being the key bottleneck? Do you agree

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<v Speaker 3>that energy is going to be the real issue here,

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<v Speaker 3>limiting factor?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that technology is pretty amazing in that as

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<v Speaker 6>you forward, I mean, as we stand today, is energy

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<v Speaker 6>going to be a bottleneck?

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 6>However, as you move forward two three and four years,

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<v Speaker 6>the energy efficiency efforts that are occurring, not only at

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<v Speaker 6>the chip level but at the data center level are

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<v Speaker 6>quite significant, and we think that the technology on cooling

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<v Speaker 6>and electricity will keep up and not hamper.

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<v Speaker 4>The growth of the industry.

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<v Speaker 6>So, for example, if you look at the performance per

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<v Speaker 6>want of the B one hundred, which is Nvidia's newest chip,

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<v Speaker 6>it's actually significantly more efficient than the older generations, and

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<v Speaker 6>so as you move through time, I do believe that

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<v Speaker 6>on a performance per want basis, you end up getting

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<v Speaker 6>more efficiency than is currently baked in by the market.

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<v Speaker 4>What is the market getting?

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<v Speaker 3>Two wigsubun Do you believe any view that the hype

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<v Speaker 3>has made market capitalizations unsustainable in certain names?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think the market is exuberant right now. And

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<v Speaker 6>and you know everyone always asks like, are we in

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<v Speaker 6>a bubble? Are we in an AI bubble? And I

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<v Speaker 6>would say it's much too early. This is very much

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<v Speaker 6>like you know, it's revolutionary in terms of what is

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<v Speaker 6>about to happen. So, you know, I was just look

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<v Speaker 6>at the valuations across across the mag seven this morning.

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<v Speaker 4>You look at Meta.

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<v Speaker 6>Meta currently trades at a ten percent discount to the

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<v Speaker 6>market on our twenty twenty five earnings. Actually it might

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<v Speaker 6>be a fifteen percent discount now that it's pulled back

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<v Speaker 6>so much. That to me, for UH, a company that

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<v Speaker 6>is going to change the way that we interact as

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<v Speaker 6>consumers with AI and how businesses interact with consumers is

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<v Speaker 6>not an egregious multiple. You know, you can go down

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<v Speaker 6>the list with Amazon. Amazon doesn't trade at that egregious

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<v Speaker 6>so multiple to the market, especially as they're showing leverage.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you look at Microsoft Microsoft again, if you

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<v Speaker 6>look at twenty twenty six numbers, it trades at a

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<v Speaker 6>five percent free CASHUW yield. So to me, these aren't

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<v Speaker 6>really set up as bubble esque type valuations, and we're

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<v Speaker 6>not terribly exuberant, especially after this fallback.

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<v Speaker 4>Well said Uncle Crawford.

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<v Speaker 3>Really great to get your perspective as someone who is

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<v Speaker 3>holding a lot of these names, investing in and indeed

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<v Speaker 3>adding to we thank you, Uncle Crawford of algia.

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<v Speaker 4>Great way to kick off this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, coming up, Apple preparing to unveil a new lineup

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<v Speaker 3>of vipe as we're just talking about. It's the product

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<v Speaker 3>launch called Let's Loose as tomorrow we're gonna be previewing

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<v Speaker 3>the event. Next Meanwhile, let's just look at GameStop, which

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<v Speaker 3>is moving for no apparent reason. Again, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the og meme stock. We're down some thirteen percent last week.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course it was rallying hard. I mean ended Friday's

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<v Speaker 3>session up about twenty nine percent. That seems to be

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<v Speaker 3>a real well desired to be getting in and out

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<v Speaker 3>on this key meme name once again, we'll keep an

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<v Speaker 3>eye for you. This will blue Bid Technology. Berkshire hathawayn

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<v Speaker 3>Hel does annual meeting over the weekend, of course, and

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<v Speaker 3>Apple quickly became one of the biggest topics as the

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<v Speaker 3>meeting unfolded. Warren Buffett here praise the company, calling the

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<v Speaker 3>iPhone one of the greatest products of all time.

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<v Speaker 4>That was after revealing h kind of steak.

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<v Speaker 3>Berkshire reported a one hundred and thirty five point four

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollar holding in Apple at the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>first quarter, down.

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<v Speaker 4>From one hundred and seventy four zero point three billion

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<v Speaker 4>at the year end.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, meanwhile, whole news when it comes to Apple and

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<v Speaker 3>fox Conn, which of course assembles the majority of iPhones,

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<v Speaker 3>posted its strongest monthly sales growth since the start of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three. And just look at what the impact

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<v Speaker 3>I had on the shares potentially of course, raising those

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<v Speaker 3>expectations for iPhones for a server sales. I spoke it

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<v Speaker 3>all down and push your heead tomorrow's event. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>all regarding the iPad Springberg's Mark Guman here with us

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<v Speaker 3>and on high or fox Conn, however you want to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about it, always a great tell we'd been worried

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<v Speaker 3>about its previous earnings. But now it looks that from

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<v Speaker 3>a month to month basis on year on year monthly posting,

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting record say for the company.

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<v Speaker 7>If you look at the prior quarter, han Hi's revenue,

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<v Speaker 7>their expectations, their forecasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't so hot, right.

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<v Speaker 7>And then you saw Apple reveal its iPhone sales for

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<v Speaker 7>the previous quarter last week, and you saw the iPhone

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<v Speaker 7>come in about five billion dollars down on a year

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<v Speaker 7>of a year basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>But looking ahead to the June quarter, the current window

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<v Speaker 7>that we're in, Apple set it expects revenue to grow

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<v Speaker 7>low single digits, right, so growing for the first time

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<v Speaker 7>in a couple quarters. Here, and fox CON's expectations for

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<v Speaker 7>this quarter as well, it seems to align with that,

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<v Speaker 7>given that they still assemble the vast majority of iPhones

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<v Speaker 7>via fox Con. Now not only iPhones driving that han

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<v Speaker 7>high revenue, it's also development and manufacturing of AI servers

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<v Speaker 7>for various companies. However, I don't believe that the AI

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<v Speaker 7>servers that fox Coon is building are connected to Apple's

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<v Speaker 7>AI announcement coming in June. For all intentsive purposes, the

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<v Speaker 7>AI from Apple will be on device at least from

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<v Speaker 7>the get go, and probably using third party infrastructure, not

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<v Speaker 7>something they're creating on their own. But one day I

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<v Speaker 7>do expect Apple to move to its own AI server environment.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh interesting, Okay, And therefore talk to us about the

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<v Speaker 3>long term commitment to Apple and indeed perhaps a pullback

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<v Speaker 3>coming from what is its third biggest shareholder, Berkshire Hathaway saying, look,

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<v Speaker 3>we are pulling and trimming back, but they still seem

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<v Speaker 3>to believe in Apple as a key tech winner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Buffett does seem to believe Apple is a

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<v Speaker 7>key tech winner. I mean Buffett in his typical process

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<v Speaker 7>for which stocks he buys.

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<v Speaker 2>Apple is right up his alley. Right, You're not.

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<v Speaker 7>Going to see Apple grow tenfold or to some significant

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<v Speaker 7>degree at this point, but you know that it's more

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<v Speaker 7>likely than not that you're going to get solid returns

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<v Speaker 7>off this company. You're not going to lose your money.

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<v Speaker 7>It's certainly better than putting your money in a bond

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<v Speaker 7>market or in a mutual fund in most cases. So

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<v Speaker 7>it is a very safe pick Apple, I think for

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<v Speaker 7>many quarters to come, despite the fact that it's not

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<v Speaker 7>going to be a high flyer or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I meant one hundred and ten billion dollar share by

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<v Speaker 3>that many feeling that that's the tell it's a value

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<v Speaker 3>stock now rather than a growth stock mark. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>interested in away from the arbitrary way in which we

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<v Speaker 3>describe whether you buy into this stock. We are all

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<v Speaker 3>caring about the products and the unveilings, and we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get some.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's right. Tomorrow Tuesday, seven am Pacific time, t

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<v Speaker 7>am Eastern time, is there let loose iPad product launch.

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<v Speaker 7>There's going to be a few things coming. One is

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<v Speaker 7>a revamped version of the iPad Pro. This will be

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<v Speaker 7>the most significant update to the company's tablet since the

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<v Speaker 7>current model was launched in twenty eighteen. You're also going

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<v Speaker 7>to see a new iPad Air. Why is that important, Well,

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<v Speaker 7>in addition to a spec bump, you're getting a bigger

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<v Speaker 7>iPad Air, something closer to the size of a MacBook

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<v Speaker 7>Air for the screen, a twelve point nine inch display.

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<v Speaker 7>This will be the first time that Apple's offering a

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<v Speaker 7>twelve point nine inch iPad at that mid tier price

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<v Speaker 7>point right and at that mid tier product line. So

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<v Speaker 7>that's a big deal as Apple looks to make it

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<v Speaker 7>iPads more like Max and expand the product line there,

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<v Speaker 7>and then you're going to see them rebuild the ecosystem

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<v Speaker 7>around its iPads. It's two key new accessories. Is going

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<v Speaker 7>to be a new Magic keyboard, a higher end version

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<v Speaker 7>that makes the iPad pro look more like a laptop

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<v Speaker 7>all in use, something that's a bit more durable and convenient.

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<v Speaker 7>The second thing is a pro version of the Apple pencil,

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<v Speaker 7>so a new higher end skew of its Apple pencil silence.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a really popular accessory that artists and creatives and

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<v Speaker 7>others like to use for drawing. The new version will

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<v Speaker 7>have some new gestures so you can squeeze on it

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<v Speaker 7>to have certain commands. Apples homepage was updated this morning

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<v Speaker 7>where you can use an Apple pencil a virtual pencil

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<v Speaker 7>to erase the logo on Apples homepage, which might imply

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<v Speaker 7>that the pencil's finally getting an eraser on the back

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<v Speaker 7>like a classic number two pencil. And the other thing

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<v Speaker 7>I've written that we'll have is hap to feedback, so

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<v Speaker 7>when you use the pencil, it'll vibrate back on your finger,

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<v Speaker 7>so you know what you're doing based on tactile feedback.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's going to be a pretty nissed the update

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<v Speaker 7>as well. And I think overall, for iPad fans, especially

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<v Speaker 7>those who've been waiting many, many, many months, even years

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<v Speaker 7>for a revamp version of iPad Pro, tomorrow is going

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<v Speaker 7>to be quite an exciting product launch for them.

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<v Speaker 3>I love playing Mark German bingo of all the things

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<v Speaker 3>that you've just told us and playing it out tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>when they all come to life. We thank you, Lumog's

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<v Speaker 3>Mark German on all things Apple and iPad.

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<v Speaker 4>Time now for talking tech.

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<v Speaker 3>First up Chinese self driving firm Momenta, but as far

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<v Speaker 3>confidentially for an IPO in the United States calling to

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<v Speaker 3>sources and it may happen as early as this year now.

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<v Speaker 3>The company was founded in twenty sixteen by a team

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<v Speaker 3>of AI engineers from Microsoft Research Asia, and its backers

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<v Speaker 3>include General Motors and Tamasek Plus. The Biden Administration is

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<v Speaker 3>opening applications for two hundred and eighty five million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in federal funding set up an institute focused on digital

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<v Speaker 3>twin technology for the chip industry. This technology can leverage

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<v Speaker 3>AI to help reduce development and manufacturing costs. And Jack Dawsey,

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<v Speaker 3>when he's left the board of social networking service Blue Sky,

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<v Speaker 3>which he of course, helped fund and popularize.

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<v Speaker 4>A year ago, in the week of Coin of some

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<v Speaker 4>regret over.

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<v Speaker 3>The sale of Twitter to Elon musk Now, the Twitter

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<v Speaker 3>co founder took to now x to tout his new

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<v Speaker 3>philanthropic grants to open Internet protocols, which he described as

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<v Speaker 3>quote freedom technology. In fact, he said that X is

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<v Speaker 3>such a freedom technology. Now, let's turn our attention to

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<v Speaker 3>the French tech company Atos now.

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<v Speaker 4>It says it has received some.

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<v Speaker 3>Four proposals to restore the group to financial health, including

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<v Speaker 3>one it already rejected from main Capital.

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<v Speaker 4>Now the firm is seeking to reach a deal by

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<v Speaker 4>the end of.

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<v Speaker 3>The month to inject fresh funds after clients have actually

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<v Speaker 3>begun to hold off business.

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<v Speaker 4>The latest bidders to throw their hats into the ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Are check billionaire Danielle Kratinski and David Leani's one point,

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<v Speaker 3>let's break it all downs, Benoir, butterlo is with us

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<v Speaker 3>and Benoir just remind us this is a company that's

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<v Speaker 3>sort of incredibly integraly in the tech space in France

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately the government was to make sure that it survives.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's been a darling of the French tech scene

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<v Speaker 8>and a major blue chip indexed company in France. It

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<v Speaker 8>used to have a market capitalization of fifteen billion. It's

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<v Speaker 8>now down to two hundred millions. It's got lots of

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<v Speaker 8>problem and it's in indeed a key IT company. It

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<v Speaker 8>has one hundred thousand employees ten billion of revenues last year,

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<v Speaker 8>many key customers around the world. The IT for the

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<v Speaker 8>Olympic Games for example upcoming in Paris this summer, but

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<v Speaker 8>also key defense activities for just the French defense industry.

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<v Speaker 8>It also has supercomputers that help the nuclear industries. So

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<v Speaker 8>the French government, seeing the trouble of the company, finally

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<v Speaker 8>decided to make a bid on that part of the company.

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<v Speaker 8>The more strategic activities.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk us through the rivals here.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the key players, as we mentioned, mentioned a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of billionaires during their hasten the ring.

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<v Speaker 8>Exactly. So one of the bids is actually from the

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<v Speaker 8>bondholders of the company. They want to be center stage here,

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<v Speaker 8>They want to be key in deciding who's going to

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<v Speaker 8>be the winner, so they are open to partner with

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<v Speaker 8>an anchor shareholder, and this could be either the check

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<v Speaker 8>billionaire Daniel Kretinski. He's been known to buy sort of

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<v Speaker 8>unloved assets assets that need structuring. He started in energy.

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<v Speaker 8>He's been to retail in France. He already made a

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<v Speaker 8>bid to buy retailer Casino. It was with a test

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<v Speaker 8>the credit Fund. And he's teaming up with Attesta again

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<v Speaker 8>to make a bid for Atos. And then there is

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<v Speaker 8>David Laianis, a French entrepreneur. He has a much smaller

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<v Speaker 8>IT company called one Point and he's teaming with Butler Industries,

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<v Speaker 8>another investor in France to buy the company and in

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<v Speaker 8>a plen that he's calling one. So it's sort of

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<v Speaker 8>down to a race between these two.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see how the race continues. Renoir Blo, we thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much. Welcome back to Blue Mel Technology. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>Caroline hired in New York. Let's get a quick check

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<v Speaker 3>on these markets because it's a little bit of optimism

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<v Speaker 3>out there. On the day we're managing to see a

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<v Speaker 3>higher tuned than as that one hundred and six tens percent.

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<v Speaker 3>After we see well perhaps a quietening in overall economic data,

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<v Speaker 3>but a ramp up in discussion coming from the Federal Reserve,

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<v Speaker 3>after we got a little bit more of a tamer

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<v Speaker 3>comments coming out of Chair Power the market trying to

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<v Speaker 3>even bait back in some of those rate cuts for

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the year. We're seeing the MSCI or

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<v Speaker 3>country world in next on the higher side too. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen money move into the European assets and indeed

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<v Speaker 3>Asian on the day Bitcoin though.

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<v Speaker 4>Not finding the love for the risk on feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>We're down to sixty three, three and ninety two currently

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<v Speaker 3>up down by just five ten percent though so small change.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's move on and have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at else was moving in the world of crypto

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<v Speaker 3>and individual companies, because well, more broadly, we have seen

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<v Speaker 3>the chip sector doing particularly well on the day, seeing

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<v Speaker 3>in video Ramphi, I was seeing Micron getting an upgrade

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<v Speaker 3>from analysts. That's on the higher side, leading the charge

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<v Speaker 3>on the socks. We're seeing generally a veeling of getting

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<v Speaker 3>back into these chip names ahead of arm this week.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember the chip design.

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<v Speaker 3>Company coming out with its earnings Apple on the downside, there,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm afray Warren Buffett cutting his stake even though he

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<v Speaker 3>poured on a lot of love for the company.

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<v Speaker 4>All eyes in.

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<v Speaker 3>The iPad unveil tomorrow and Robin Hood up a quarter

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<v Speaker 3>of percent now coming off of some of its highs.

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<v Speaker 3>Were training exactly eighteen on the nose Now's after the

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<v Speaker 3>SEC is one that robin hood is crypto business faces

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<v Speaker 3>potentially a lawsuit a so called Well's notice from staff

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<v Speaker 3>of the SEC. I'spoke it down, woemgs Shnani Bassack any

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<v Speaker 3>detail what it is the SEC doesn't like about robin

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<v Speaker 3>Hood's playing crypto.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's just talk about crypto in general, because what this

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<v Speaker 9>was was a security stiling that robin Hood made that

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<v Speaker 9>had about a two paragraph detailing that said they received

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<v Speaker 9>the Wells notice, which knows essentially an intent for the

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<v Speaker 9>SEC to sue against the use of its cryptocurrency business.

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<v Speaker 9>So we don't know exactly all the details behind it,

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<v Speaker 9>but we do have robin Hood's statement in return, which

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<v Speaker 9>says that they firmly believe at Robinhood, their officials believe

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<v Speaker 9>that the assets listed on our platform are not securities.

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<v Speaker 9>We know that the SEC has been looking at exchanges

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<v Speaker 9>and brokerages for the listing of what they deem as

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<v Speaker 9>unregistered securities, but we also know that this has been

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<v Speaker 9>a massive fight between many players in the industry as

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<v Speaker 9>well as their fight against the SEC itself in this pursuit.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yes, you can trade crypto on robin Hood,

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<v Speaker 3>but most people think of it more of a stock play.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's interesting that game stops back front and

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<v Speaker 3>center with the mean stock frenzy today. But how important

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<v Speaker 3>is crypto to robin Hood?

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<v Speaker 9>So look at the overall assets here, the assets under

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<v Speaker 9>custody over at Robinhood at the end of last year,

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<v Speaker 9>less than fifteen percent were crypto. But even though it's

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<v Speaker 9>a small amount of the overall crypto play, the overall

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<v Speaker 9>also the overall marketplay. To your point, they're known for

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<v Speaker 9>equities and options trading for the most part. That same quarter,

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<v Speaker 9>the last quarter of last year, you saw equities and

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<v Speaker 9>options volumes kind of drop off here, they were negative,

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<v Speaker 9>whereas crypto trading volumes had risen pretty meaningfully. So, even

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<v Speaker 9>if it's a smaller base, the business has been rising

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<v Speaker 9>very dramatically, and they report on Wednesday after market, and

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<v Speaker 9>you would probably see them really benefiting from that crypto

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<v Speaker 9>boom in the first quarter of this year. It is

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<v Speaker 9>volatile revenue, it's a smaller part of their business, but

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<v Speaker 9>it's been helping them attract new customers. With that said,

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<v Speaker 9>investors have also shaken off these worries about the sec

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<v Speaker 9>at other platforms as well, and again these fights have

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<v Speaker 9>been long because companies have tended to sue back. Let's

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<v Speaker 9>see how Robinhood handles the.

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<v Speaker 3>Situation with you, and we look forward to their earnings

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<v Speaker 3>as well. Shaniambasse, thanks so much for bringing us the latest. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go to the latest in LA. The Milkin Institute

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<v Speaker 3>Global Conference has just kicked off this weekend in Beverly Hills,

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<v Speaker 3>where finance chiefs, tech heavyweights, even in a mosca there

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<v Speaker 3>gathering to discuss everything from your guess to AI of

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<v Speaker 3>course geopolitics. Now, our own Wall Street Week host David

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<v Speaker 3>Weston just sat down with armand Krishna IBM chairman and

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<v Speaker 3>CEO to discuss well, the regulatory landscape for tech.

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<v Speaker 4>Take listen.

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<v Speaker 10>I think every regulator is worried about three topics, not

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<v Speaker 10>just safety in regulation. They're wanted about innovation. They're worried

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<v Speaker 10>about competition, and they're worried about safety and regulation. So

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<v Speaker 10>when you take those three together, the AI alliance that

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<v Speaker 10>open really come together to help you foment innovation. So

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<v Speaker 10>I think that that actually helps the regulators to think

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<v Speaker 10>about what is going on here. While I am caution

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<v Speaker 10>there will be some guardrails that are always put. But

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<v Speaker 10>in my experience, open technologies have always been safer and

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<v Speaker 10>more secure than close technologies.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one of the risks that maybe you're aviating with

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<v Speaker 1>your emphasis on open architecture, that some of that i'll

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<v Speaker 1>call them big guys get an advantage and really have

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<v Speaker 1>an entrenched position.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I'll use the concern of a world garden. When

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<v Speaker 10>you have a world garden, has those areas and technologies

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<v Speaker 10>been more innovative or less innovative? All the said of

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<v Speaker 10>all garden has always been less innovative, And so I

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<v Speaker 10>think that it actually helps you create more competition. Does

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<v Speaker 10>it avoid regulatory lock in off a certain one or

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<v Speaker 10>two players?

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<v Speaker 7>Likely?

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<v Speaker 2>But isn't that good for all of us?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you pro regulation?

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<v Speaker 10>I am pro regulation as long as is it a

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<v Speaker 10>light touch and allows innovation to happen. I absolutely would

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<v Speaker 10>be pro regulation. If regulation tries to reduce innovation, I

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<v Speaker 10>think that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the tsituation between between regulating the technology as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to regulating the uses. We had Sam parmasan or

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<v Speaker 1>somebody you know well on who said he thinks regulate

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<v Speaker 1>the uses, don't regulate that technology because that will impair innovation.

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<v Speaker 10>Always How can you regulate the technology when you don't

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<v Speaker 10>even know where the technology can go? Two years ago,

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<v Speaker 10>who had heard of a large language model. If you

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<v Speaker 10>come out with our technique instruct Lab six months ago,

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<v Speaker 10>nobody had heard of that, there will be.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one, and another one and another one.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think triger regulated technology implies that the regulator

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<v Speaker 10>and the policy forks believe no more innovation can happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a bad bet to make.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the CEO of IBM there a Vin Krishna

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<v Speaker 3>with our own David Weston. Meanwhile, coming up, look, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be joined by Andreill founder Harma Lucky from

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<v Speaker 3>an exclusive interview on the company's brand new suite of

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<v Speaker 3>AI powered products coming out next This is really big technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Andreil is announcing a brand new range of AI powered

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<v Speaker 3>defense products, now the Pulsar family of AI enabled Electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 3>warfare or EW systems. They basic expand on the existing

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<v Speaker 3>EW systems by not only countering known threats with pre

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<v Speaker 3>programmed techniques, but by leveraging you guessed artificial intelligence to

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<v Speaker 3>detect both known and new threats. Got to break down

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<v Speaker 3>what this really means, ANDREW founder Palma Lucky joins us

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<v Speaker 3>NOW and Palmer.

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<v Speaker 4>A key question is how is this used? How is

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<v Speaker 4>this different?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, note that Pulsar is already being

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<v Speaker 2>used by US military customers across multiple continents, multiple AORs,

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<v Speaker 2>on fixed sites, on mounted vehicles, and on aircraft. So Pulsar,

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<v Speaker 2>while we're announcing it for the first time today ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of Softweek, it's actually been in existence for years. This

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<v Speaker 2>is something we haven't been able to talk about, but

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<v Speaker 2>we've been working on for a long time. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>AI powered electronic warfare tool. They can understand what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the RF domain and then take measures to

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<v Speaker 2>accomplish your aims within the RF domain, so jamming, hacking, spoofing, controlling,

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<v Speaker 2>identifying things, countering those things, making sure that your own

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<v Speaker 2>electronic systems maintain their functionality. And it's able to do

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<v Speaker 2>that extremely fast because it's powered by Lattice, our AI

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<v Speaker 2>system that powers all and or all products. It's able

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<v Speaker 2>to do what would have previously taken a team of

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<v Speaker 2>electronic warfare specialists and a build full of equipment weeks

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<v Speaker 2>or months to accomplish in just seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>So to that point and power, I of course preface

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<v Speaker 3>all of this from a political perspective, but from a

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<v Speaker 3>personal perspective. Right now, it is an emotional time when

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<v Speaker 3>we're discussing war, when we're discussing warfare, so we're sensitive

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<v Speaker 3>to that. But where at the moment is this being

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<v Speaker 3>used in a different kind of way. You were just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about how it's already been basically been new since

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the first time you can discuss it.

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<v Speaker 3>How has artificial intelligence change the pace with which you

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<v Speaker 3>can iterate? But also things are changing within warfare well.

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<v Speaker 2>I started an underall because I was concerned with the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and our allies around the world. We're losing

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<v Speaker 2>our technological edge to some of our near peers and

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<v Speaker 2>even now in many areas peers, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>how things have been playing out in Ukraine and around

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<v Speaker 2>the world have really proven that out AI is changing

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<v Speaker 2>the game in a lot of ways because it allows

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<v Speaker 2>you to deploy large numbers of systems in a much

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<v Speaker 2>more intelligent, much more useful way than we've ever been

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<v Speaker 2>able to do before with even remotely piloted systems, and

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<v Speaker 2>been focused on AI since the beginning of our company

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<v Speaker 2>about seven years ago. You'll notice that our name and

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<v Speaker 2>or all industries is you know, the acronym is AI,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's for a reason we were we believe that

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence was going to be changing the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>warfare long before a lot of people were paying any

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<v Speaker 2>attention to AI. I remember when we were starting our

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<v Speaker 2>company and it was hard to raise money for AI companies.

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<v Speaker 2>People weren't taking it seriously. They saw it as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a science fiction gem, but not something that was real.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately the reality of the world today has forced

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<v Speaker 2>people to start paying more attention to what AI can

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<v Speaker 2>do on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 3>People paying attention a government they have to are the

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<v Speaker 3>defense sector in particular, and I mean I speak to

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that the Air Force in the United States

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<v Speaker 3>has got with the program, understood the impact that you're making,

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately what.

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<v Speaker 4>Brought you on.

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<v Speaker 3>You're now doing a program you're sort of seen as

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<v Speaker 3>a new type, a new force of defense tech startup.

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<v Speaker 3>You actually call it a non traditional defense company. Can

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<v Speaker 3>you talk us through the Collaborative Combat Aircraft program? Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>this is about aircraft that fly alongside those that are manned.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. I mean this is an area where the US

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force and Secretary Kendall deserve a lot of credit

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<v Speaker 2>for their vision. They want to deploy AI powered aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>at scale alongside manned aircraft on a timeline that is

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<v Speaker 2>relevant to the conflicts that we are trying to deter

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<v Speaker 2>and that have the ranges and capabilities that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to be meaningful to the adversaries that we might have

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<v Speaker 2>to fight. I'll just name the name. It's China. CCA.

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<v Speaker 2>The Collaborative Combat Aircraft Program is the program to develop

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<v Speaker 2>and then build over one thousand ccas that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to fly alongside manned aircraft. Loyal wingman, they've loyal wingman,

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<v Speaker 2>they've been called andre All just beat out Lockheed Martin,

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<v Speaker 2>Northrop Grumman, and Boeing for a slot on the CCA program.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be using that slot to build production

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<v Speaker 2>representative aircraft, not prototypes, but production representative aircraft that are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be ready to go to scale at manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>if we can hit all of our hit all of

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<v Speaker 2>our milestones, and proved that we are as good at

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<v Speaker 2>building airplanes as we are at building AI.

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<v Speaker 4>You went there and you mentioned China.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested as to therefore where you will manufacture and

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately see deploying of these particular autonomous fighter jets.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're going to be deployed right here or built

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<v Speaker 2>right here in the United States. Where they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be deployed, that's up to our customer. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of ton of insight into where exactly they

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<v Speaker 2>might do that, though I've got some ideas.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested where you see.

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<v Speaker 3>Therefore, at the moment, the US taking leadership back or

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<v Speaker 3>do you still worry since splesh you the founding of Andreille,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you do think that US has reasserted itself become

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<v Speaker 3>again the leader.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we have a long way to go

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<v Speaker 2>in certain areas. But the really powerful thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>we've recognized the areas where we have problems. I think

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<v Speaker 2>people have been pulled out of their slumber. They realize

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<v Speaker 2>that there's areas we can move much faster. We can

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<v Speaker 2>do things in not years that just were not possible

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<v Speaker 2>to do within the bureaucracy before, within the previous construct

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<v Speaker 2>of how we're supposed to get things done. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Air Force taking a bet on andrel on CCA

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<v Speaker 2>is just one of many examples of people realizing that

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<v Speaker 2>business as usual is not something that we have time for,

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<v Speaker 2>not in the modern timeline, not in the modern threat environment.

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<v Speaker 3>But what about the competition from the Boeings, from the Lockeys.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they not getting with the programs, starting up their

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<v Speaker 3>own internal startups or indeed making acquisitions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't feel like those guys are really

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<v Speaker 2>the competition. I feel a bit of a kinship with them. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not running my business the same way that they're

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<v Speaker 2>running their business. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all trying to protect the same country. We're all

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<v Speaker 2>trying to protect the same values more or less here

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<v Speaker 2>and around the world. I'm actually much more worried about

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<v Speaker 2>the competition from Iran. I'm much more worried about the

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<v Speaker 2>competition from Russia and China. We've had systems in Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>since the second week of the war, and the innovation

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<v Speaker 2>that I've seen coming out of Russia, China and Iran

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of a coalition of very technologically advanced adversaries,

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<v Speaker 2>it worries me a lot more than the competition that

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<v Speaker 2>I have here in the US. There's things that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to build that I do better than Boeing, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's things that Boeing is going to build that

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<v Speaker 2>where they're better than me. And I recognize that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're doing a pretty good job of finding

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<v Speaker 2>how we can continue working together with all of these

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<v Speaker 2>different companies, and all these companies that I just mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>us beating on the CCA program, we're working with all

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<v Speaker 2>of them in some capacity on other programs. It's actually

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<v Speaker 2>a little less cutthroat than people would think because of

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<v Speaker 2>that very strong shared sense of mission that you see

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States National Security apparatus.

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<v Speaker 4>And your aligning incentives with allies as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And we note, of course, an autonomous sub that you've

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<v Speaker 3>been working with well Australia and actually sort of co

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<v Speaker 3>developing and keeping on pace unheard of kind of in

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<v Speaker 3>the defense contract space of actually being on time and

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<v Speaker 3>in budget.

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<v Speaker 4>But where else might you manufacture? Might you co develop?

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<v Speaker 3>It is interesting that one of our own reporters highlighting

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<v Speaker 3>that the VP of Taiwan was speaking at a US event,

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<v Speaker 3>would there ever be manufacturing in Taiwan?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're right on the Ghost Shark program. That's an

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<v Speaker 2>autonomous robotic submarine the size of a school bus that

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<v Speaker 2>we've been developing with the Royal Australian Navy, and we

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<v Speaker 2>actually just delivered the first submarine a year ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>schedule and on budget, which, as you mentioned, is rare.

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<v Speaker 2>It's practically unheard of. There are other areas where we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking to expand. I can't talk about the specifics of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can tell you that I'm in Taiwan frequently.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just there a few months ago. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>back in just a few weeks. Taiwan is obviously one

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<v Speaker 2>of the key technological partners of the United States, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the region. It's critical for United States military security

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<v Speaker 2>that Taiwan remains free and independent and democratic. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>also very important for our economy. I would say there

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<v Speaker 2>might not be another country in the world that is

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<v Speaker 2>really underpinning so much of our way of life when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to semiconductors and all of the things they

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<v Speaker 2>power throughout our consumer and industrial and defense economy.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk about how things have changed, certainly from the

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<v Speaker 3>Ministry of Defense perspective, but what's also changing is the politicization,

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately of companies that are working within warfare, and we

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<v Speaker 3>certainly see that from protests here among students. How have

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<v Speaker 3>you been feeling angrel is being embraced still by the

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<v Speaker 3>private sector from a money perspective, are you raising money.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it easy to do so? Are you looking to

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<v Speaker 4>go public?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Luckily, I think that there is a very big

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<v Speaker 2>golf and sophistication around international affairs between the types of

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<v Speaker 2>people who are funding ANDERL and the types of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are skipping class to camp out on campus on campuses,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's a lot of people who recognize

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<v Speaker 2>that the United States should have the best technology. The

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<v Speaker 2>only way to credibly deter warfare is to have a

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<v Speaker 2>backstop of credible threat of violence. There is no way

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<v Speaker 2>that you can deter every adversary with the threat of

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<v Speaker 2>a sternly warded letter or this idea that sanctions are

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<v Speaker 2>going to cripple their economy, especially in areas where we

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have the leverage to make that true. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that on the funding side, where we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any problems, We've got a lot of money in the bank,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a very healthy revenue pipeline. We're on the

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<v Speaker 2>path to being a publicly traded company, and a lot

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of people are really excited about that because ANDROL, in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to building tools that keep our men and women

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<v Speaker 2>on the front line safe, which is something people want

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<v Speaker 2>to be invested in, is also just a good, credible

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<v Speaker 2>business with a really good roadmap that's doing well on

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>our existing products, and it's a healthy pipeline of future products.

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 2>We just announced Pulsar, we just showed off some other

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<v Speaker 2>new products like Mencex. We're going to be announcing products

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<v Speaker 2>through the rest of the year. We've got about a

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<v Speaker 2>dozen products that we've publicly announced. We've got another dozen

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>that are not even publicly talked about yet, and they're

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of a similar caliber. And I think that our investors

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 2>recognize that perspective and existing I.

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<v Speaker 3>Look forward to you coming back and talking about it

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<v Speaker 3>when they can talk about it publicly but quickly. IPO

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can almost promise you it won't be twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. If it was, we'd already have to be

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<v Speaker 2>way down that path. Anderal wants to be a publicly

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<v Speaker 2>trade company for a variety of different reasons. It's something

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<v Speaker 2>that we've wanted to do since the very beginning. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my second company. You might know I started

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a company called Oculus VR when I was nineteen. I

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<v Speaker 2>sold that to Facebook for a few billion dollars. I

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<v Speaker 2>was there for a few years before I was fired,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've decided that I want to go on a

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<v Speaker 2>different path this time, and luckily that aligns with what

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>our customers want us to do, what our investors want

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<v Speaker 2>us to do, and I think what the American people

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<v Speaker 2>want to do where they want to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>buy into these companies, not have them operate as private

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<v Speaker 2>entities beyond reach and beyond control.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a lucky great to sit down with you. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 3>andrewl Founder. This is bruly met technology.

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<v Speaker 2>That's real eating gees and if I sephony of phrases.

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<v Speaker 3>What a song simp Simplicity's delight and was created with

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<v Speaker 3>software from Suno, one of the new crop of AI

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<v Speaker 3>startups focused on basically building tools to automate the music

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<v Speaker 3>making process. But while the AI music hera is creeping

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<v Speaker 3>upon us, not everyone is a fan.

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<v Speaker 4>Just break it all down.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe makes Rachel Mets, who actually is the joy

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<v Speaker 3>behind that.

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<v Speaker 4>Song that you just heard? And Rachel, when am I

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be able to stream it on Spotify?

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<v Speaker 3>And ultimately that is the issue here right that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of AI made songs are.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of taking away the business of real artists.

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<v Speaker 11>Who I think it's a little bit it's a little

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<v Speaker 11>bit early to say that definitively, but that is a

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<v Speaker 11>concern absolutely, both of artists that see the technology developing

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<v Speaker 11>of record labels. You know, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 11>different stakeholders in the music industry, and as AI becomes

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<v Speaker 11>better and better at making music, they have a lot

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<v Speaker 11>of concerns about this that they're increasingly expressing.

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<v Speaker 10>For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>What's interesting is perhaps use Footshina light on Souno, but

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<v Speaker 3>also Udio, which is actually backed by Andrewson Horrace, but

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<v Speaker 3>also some players in the game. I think a common

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the as one of the money behind it,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as United Masters that Steve Stout, So they

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<v Speaker 3>do have backing of some players within music.

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<v Speaker 4>But it looks as though.

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<v Speaker 3>These companies are trying to ensure that you're not able

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<v Speaker 3>to say please make me a song in well the

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<v Speaker 3>essence of Billie Eilish. They are trying to be clever

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<v Speaker 3>about the way in which we basically copy or don't.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean they want to position themselves as something

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<v Speaker 11>that anybody can use and I am anybody and I

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<v Speaker 11>can use them to make music. And it is true

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<v Speaker 11>that a very quick process or you can make it

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<v Speaker 11>as long as complicated as you want.

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<v Speaker 2>You can bring your own music to it. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>for anybody.

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<v Speaker 11>It's someone who's a professional musician who wants to augment

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<v Speaker 11>the music making process, or for someone who just wants

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<v Speaker 11>to type in a quick prompt and get in a

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 11>song about the simple pleasures of eating cheese or any topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, there are some people in the music industry, such

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<v Speaker 11>as Common. Also will I Am was another person who

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<v Speaker 11>put some money into UDO. So it'll be interesting to

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<v Speaker 11>see where musicians sort of you know, come in in

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<v Speaker 11>the coming months and years, if they're interested in participating

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<v Speaker 11>with these companies and using them, or if they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 11>wait a minute, I don't want you training on my music,

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<v Speaker 11>or maybe a little bit of both.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume, as we've seen with image generation, as we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen with video very briefly Rachel, lawsuits likely.

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<v Speaker 4>To happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>I will yes, I would expect. So.

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<v Speaker 11>I spoke to somebody in the music industry and they

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<v Speaker 11>said that was one of the things they're expecting to

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<v Speaker 11>see happen. They're expecting to see some deals between companies

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<v Speaker 11>and that are building this music making software and record labels,

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<v Speaker 11>and maybe other stakeholders in the coming months, but also

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<v Speaker 11>perhaps some lawsuits. And as we know, the music industry

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<v Speaker 11>has been quite litigious. It has already involved in some

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<v Speaker 11>lawsuits regarding other types of generative AIA companies.

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<v Speaker 3>And look you MG just striking that deal with TikTok,

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<v Speaker 3>looking at how to protect artists versus AI.

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<v Speaker 4>It is going to be something we unpack with your help. Rachel.

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<v Speaker 4>We thank you so much. Rachel Metz. How does it for?

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<v Speaker 4>This in edition and Bloomberg Technology. Don't forget to check

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