1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: I am six forty. You're listening to the John Cobelt 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We are on every day 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: from one till four o'clock. After four o'clock, John Cobelt's 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: show on demand, Let's get right to it. Roger Bailey 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: is the attorney for many thousands of homeowners in the 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: Palisades whose homes were destroyed in the Lockman turned Palisades 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: fire first week of January. And there was a hearing 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: this morning at ten o'clock because they're filing a massive 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: civil lawsuit against many entities on behalf of the thousands 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: of homeowners. And Roger sent us last night a the 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: plan from the California Department of Parks and Recreation on 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: how they deal with fires and fire suppression within the park. 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: And it looks as if, according to their own words, 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: it's the California State Parks Department prefers to let to 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: Panga State Park burn in a wildfire event. They would 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: rather have happen what happened, as opposed to suppressing it 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: putting it out. Let's get Roger Bailey on. Roger, how 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: are you good? 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: Good? It's stunning, isn't it? John? When you read those 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: words in print, it almost seems like it's a typo. 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: Yes, well, you sent me in red the highlighted paragraphs 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: to look at, and I still didn't believe it. I 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: went through the document itself in black and white and 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: I highlighted it and yellow for myself, and I keep 26 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: looking at it, and it's like, yeah, unless otherwise specified, 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: it's page fifteen, State Parks prefers to let to Panga 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: State Park burn in a wildfire event. And then on 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: page twenty, the majority of the park has not burned 30 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: in over fifty years to restore the natural fire frequency 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: and chaparral habitats, to Panga State Park should be left 32 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: to burn within reasonable public safety limits and outside of 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: fire exclusion zones. Well, there you have it. Everything went 34 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: according to policy. 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: Then, well that's what's even more stunning is they put 36 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: words in like within reasonable public safety limits. Well, what 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: public safety limits did they implement during the Lockmann fire. 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: It looks like none. It looks like they just said, 39 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: let it burn, let it smolder. Firefighters, you can't go 40 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: in these areas over here. You can't use heavy machinery 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: like bulldozers when fighting the fire. So we're all sitting 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: here looking at this thing. Well, what reasonable public safety 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: limits did you implement? And apparently there were none. 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: No, did they have any state fire personnel show up? 45 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: Well, they had from what we can tell, and I'll 46 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: get into the hearing that occurred this morning, but we 47 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: know of at least five state park representatives who were 48 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: present between the first of January and the third of January. 49 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: And from what we know, there were largely LAFD and 50 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: La County firefighters that were there fighting the blaze on 51 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: the first And we're talking about the Lachmann fire, which 52 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: is different than the Palisades fire. There's a lot of 53 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: misinformation where people are confusing the Palisades fire with the 54 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: fire that started on January one, which is a very 55 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: different fire allegedly started by an arsonist and should have 56 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: been contained and extinguished. 57 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: Right, But the flare up from that first fire, that 58 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: still the theory is that led to the second fire. 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's absolutely true. Had the LAFD been permitted to 60 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: go into these avoidance areas, they would have been able 61 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: to check on the embers and deal with the embers, 62 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: and instead, state parks, according to their own policy, said 63 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: these are areas you cannot go in when fighting the fire. 64 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: These are areas you can't go check is that right? 65 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: Where So where it flared out and grew into the 66 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Palastages fire was an official avoidance area that there the 67 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: LA Fire Department was not permitted to treat in any way. 68 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, here's what's interesting. So we got these documents yesterday 69 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: after months of waiting lo and to hold. The day 70 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: before the hearing, the state dumps all these documents on us, 71 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: and when we were reading through them, they start talking 72 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: about these avoidance areas, and then there's a reference to maps 73 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: which they're supposed to give to the incident commanders and 74 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: the firefighters to say here's their areas you can't go in. 75 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Conspicuously missing from what they gave us yesterday where these maps. 76 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: And we're virtually certain when they finally turn them over, 77 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: and the judge did order them to turn them over today, 78 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: we're going to see when we do an overlay, we're 79 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: going to see when we put the overlay of the 80 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: area avoidance and the point where the Palisades fire ignited 81 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: on January seventh, you're going to see the Palisades fire 82 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: igniting in the areas where the firefighters were told they 83 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: couldn't go. 84 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: I was looking for the maps because I noticed there 85 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: was a reference to the avoidant areas on the maps. 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: I couldn't find the maps, and I thought it just 87 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: didn't make my pile. But they didn't give them to 88 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: you yet. 89 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: It didn't make my pile either, and we pointed that 90 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: out today and so we need to see these maps 91 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: so we know exactly where firefighters were told they could 92 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: not go and we're certain when they turn them over. 93 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: And the judge did order that this morning, and we 94 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: do an overlay, we're going to see that the Palisades 95 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: fire ignited in one of the areas where firefighters were 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: told they couldn't go. 97 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: So tell us what this morning's hearing was largely about. 98 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: So we had a hearing with the judge last week 99 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: and raised again our desire to take depositions of the 100 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: firefighters and state park reps that were there. The purpose 101 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: of today's hearing was for the judge to hear which 102 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: witnesses we wanted to depose and when. And it took 103 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: about two hours and we got to the point where 104 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: we came up with a list of twelve firefighters and 105 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: five state partments, state park representatives that we will be 106 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: taking depositions of, probably beginning in mid December. Now these 107 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: are just the first depositions. The judge understandably was concerned 108 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: about more time passing, and we want to see what 109 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: the people on the ground heard, saw, witnessed before more 110 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: time passes. So we're going to take this initial round 111 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: of depositions. That's what the judge ordered this morning, and 112 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: what will start taking place about mid December. 113 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: It seems every few days another stunning development in this story. 114 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: And it's about cover ups, it's about whyse it's about neglect, 115 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: it's about bad policy, it's about just just insane decisions made. 116 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: It's really fascinating. I mean, a lot of people far 117 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: outside the Palisades around the country are following this very 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: closely because all of this seems inexplicable. It's like nothing 119 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: went right, nobody did the right thing from beginning to end. 120 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Well. And it begins with the implementation of these policies, which, 121 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: to be blunt, just seem bizarre. It seems to put 122 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: plants over people and it just doesn't seem to make 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: any sense. Why would you direct firefighters or frankly, direct 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: your state park rangers to limit what firefighters can do 125 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: and where they can do it if the goal is 126 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: to save and to save property. We lost twelve people 127 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: in the Palisade fire and over seven thousand structures. Man 128 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: man need to happen, and. 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: We ended up not saving the milk Fitch plan. 130 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: Either, exactly. All burned up? 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: All right, Well, could you hang on for another segment? 132 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: You bet. 133 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: I want to go through some of the other highlighted 134 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: areas from this report. This is Roger Bailey. He represents 135 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: thousands of Palisades residents. There's a massive civil lawsuit. They 136 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: were in court this morning a hearing to decide who's 137 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: going to get deposed in the first round. And this 138 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: is what they do. The night before the hearing. The 139 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: day before the hearing, the California State Parks Department, Gavin 140 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: Newsom's administration dumped a ton of documents that Roger Bailey's 141 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: team quickly went through and found out that it is 142 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: official policy for the State Parks Department to let to 143 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: Penga State Park where the fire started burn. State Parks 144 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: prefers to let Tobanka State Park burn and wildfire event. 145 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: And on page twenty it says Topanga State Park should 146 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: be left to burn within reasonable public safety limits in 147 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: order to restore the natural balance of the habitat and 148 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: fire frequency. We'll talk more with Roger when we come back, 149 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: because there are other highlights out of this policy manual. 150 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 151 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: six forty. 152 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: We continue with Roger Bailey, the attorney for thousands of 153 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: Palisades residents that are suing while suing the government because 154 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: the state parks system governed the land where the Lachman 155 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: fire started and the Palisades fire started, it's Topanga State Park, 156 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: And yesterday before the hearing this morning, the state finally 157 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: coughed up there like their management documents on Wildfire Management 158 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: Plan for Topanga State Park, and it says clearly on 159 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: page fifteen that the State Park Department prefers to let 160 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: to Panga State Park burn in a wildfire event. Page 161 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: twenty says to Panga State Park should be left to 162 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 2: burn within reasonable public safety limits. So let's get Roger 163 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: Bailey back on here. On page thirty three, the concept 164 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: of avoidance areas where no heavy equipment, vehicles, and retardant 165 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: are grouped together. This is what you referred to you're 166 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: waiting for the maps still, But I guess we're just 167 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: assuming that where the fire started was in the avoidance area, 168 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: and that's why that state official came down and was 169 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: trying to bully LAFD out of the area. 170 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: Well, that's right, I mean, one of the things were 171 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: anxious to see. And conveniently, the state didn't deliver yesterday 172 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: where the maps that are supposed to accompany this policy document, 173 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: so that we can see exactly where on the map 174 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the state park rangers are telling the firefighters they cannot go. 175 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: This is the areas where they as it says here, 176 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: they can't use heavy equipment. We talked earlier about the 177 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: use of bulldozers, which would have been useful during the 178 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: firefighting activity that occurred on the morning of January one. 179 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: No bulldozers allowed. No retardant allowed, No retardant. Yeah. Again, 180 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: these are all things that if you were to ask 181 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: a firefighter, these are critical to the firefighting effort. 182 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: How are you suppose without heavy equipment, vehicles and retarded 183 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: how are you supposed to stop the spread of the fire. 184 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: Just pray? I mean, what's lastly, Page forty one, The 185 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: neighborhoods of Castell Lamari and Pacific Highlands along the southern 186 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: border of the park are WUI areas. What does that 187 00:11:59,200 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: mean wui? 188 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: Well, they're high risk areas, high. 189 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: Risk areas, and they're at significant risk during a wildfire event. 190 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: While wildfire poses a threat, suppression techniques, especially with heavy equipment, 191 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: are the main concern and need to be avoided in 192 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: these areas. So yeah, these neighborhoods might burn during a 193 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: wildfire event, but it's more important to avoid grinding up 194 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: the vegetation. I'm I'm astonished at that one. 195 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: Again, it's plants over people. It seems as though the priority, 196 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: according to state parks is to give plants and the 197 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: safety of the plants of priority over people and their property. 198 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: So this is real. I keep thinking of misunderstanding this. 199 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: I know, really we had to read it three times 200 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: and said, wait a minute, is this a typho? Did 201 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: we know it's exactly what they're policy is? And then 202 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: and then as you I'm sure you noticed, it also 203 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: says with regard to these area avoidance maps, they want 204 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: to keep them confidential. Yes, so they don't. Apparently you 205 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: know that you can share the state park rep can 206 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: share it with the incident command, but they don't want 207 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: the public apparently to know the areas where firefighting activities 208 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: are not allowed, like right next to those public revolts. 209 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, if the people of Castel Lamar and Pacific Highlands 210 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: knew that their neighborhoods were going to be sacrificed in 211 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: order to protect the local vegetation, which still doesn't make 212 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: sense to me. Because a fire gets out of hand, 213 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 2: it's going to destroy the neighborhoods and the vegetation. 214 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: I don't get it exactly. It's nonsensical, makes absolutely no sense. 215 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: And this is what our tax dollars are going to 216 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: develop and implement. 217 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: Wow, this is really bad. I don't think anybody would 218 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: have thought that they were this. I don't even understand why. 219 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean, even if they had a different point of view, 220 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: their point of view does not protect the vegetation obviously, 221 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: So I just don't get it. Well, Roger, you. 222 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Noticed what did you notice incidentally on page sixty seven 223 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: that there's a requirement before you can use mop up 224 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,479 Speaker 1: techniques and these avoidantaries, you have to bring in an archaeologist. 225 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Where are you going to find an archaeologist at three 226 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: in the morning. 227 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: Did you see that No, I didn't see that exact line. Oh, yes, 228 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: yes here, yes, yes, all right, I did. No mop 229 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: up techniques are allowed in avoidance areas without the presence 230 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: of an archaeologist. 231 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: In then R eighty stands for resource advisor. That's their 232 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: acronym for what they call a resource advisor. But where 233 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: are you going to get an archaeologist at free in the. 234 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: Morning with a raging wildfire and the sant Ana winds 235 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: are blown in the middle of the night. Hey, is 236 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: there an archaeologist in in the park somewhere? This is 237 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: this is unbelievable. They can't they really are this stupid? 238 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 239 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: Wow? Anyway, all right, well listen, you are doing terrific work, 240 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: and uh let's let's keep talking right as soon as 241 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: you find out more stuff, because I'm absolutely riveted to this. 242 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I will keep you posted. Remember, the next thing to 243 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: occur will be these depositions of twelve firefighters and five 244 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: state park reps. That's the initial round and that I'll 245 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: start in about mid December, so we'll have a lot 246 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: to talk about them. 247 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: And you're gonna be able to talk about them right 248 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: away or do they get sealed? 249 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: No, Look, the identities of some of these folks may 250 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: be kept confidential, but the subject matter of what they 251 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: say under oath, as far as I'm concerned, can be 252 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: shared and should be shared with the public. The public 253 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: has a right to know what these people saw, what 254 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: they heard, and you know, so yes, I intend, unless 255 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: otherwise directed by the court, to share with my clients 256 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: and the public with these folks who were there saw 257 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: herd and. 258 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: Said, all right, Roger, we'll talk then, thank you. 259 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: You bet, take care. 260 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: All right, you're listening to John Cobels on Demand from 261 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: KFI Am sixty. 262 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: So first hour and a half we spent much of 263 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: it on the bombshells in this release of State the 264 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: State wild the State Wildfire Management planned for Topanga State 265 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: Park where the Palisades fire originated. It is unbelievable. Their 266 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: policy was, if a fire starts at the park, let 267 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: it burn. And that's what happened to the policy the Palisades. 268 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: That really is the policy, let it burn. So you 269 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: listen to the podcast John Cobelt Show on demand that'll 270 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: be released after four o'clock and you could hear everything. 271 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: Now I hate to continue with another fire department story, 272 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: but this is uh in the Port of La Friday, 273 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: there was that huge fire on a container ship. It 274 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: was hazardous materials burning. Los Angeles Times Today says that 275 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: the LA Fire Department waited almost six hours to order 276 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: residents to get inside. The order was get inside immediately 277 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: and close all the windows and doors because of potential 278 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: toxic smoke. But the fire had been burning for six 279 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 2: hours at that point. When they showed up, they must 280 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: have quickly determined it was a toxic hazardous waste fire, 281 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: toxic material fire. And you do want to tell people 282 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: to go inside and shut the windows and turn off 283 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: the air conditioning. You don't want to breathe in this stuff. 284 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: But they were six hours late with the warning. Why 285 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: is that? It was a shelter in place order for 286 00:17:53,320 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: San Pedro and Wilmington. Now, eventually they lifted it at 287 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: six thirty am Saturday morning. His fire crew started gaining 288 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: the upper hand and eventually they towed the ship out 289 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: to sea. All right, so they lift the shelter in 290 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: place order at six thirty, but a lot of people 291 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: were not notified till nine o'clock Sunday night, thirty eight 292 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 2: hours later. That's when residents started getting alerts telling them 293 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: the order had been lifted. So people spent the entire 294 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: weekend inside their homes or they were told to, and 295 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: from six thirty am Saturday to nine o'clock on Sunday 296 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: they could have left their house, but the county, the city, 297 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: the La Fire Department, nobody sent them the message. These 298 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: text message warning systems really don't work, do they. Plus 299 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: some residents Ranial Palace Verdes got these sheltered in place 300 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: alerts by mistake from the city emergency system. The city 301 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: of Ranchial Palace Verdes sent out emails and social media 302 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: announcements at one thirty in the morning Saturday telling people 303 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: ignore the order. So how many layers of incompetence here? 304 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: The order to stay inside was six hours late, the 305 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: order to you can come out now was thirty eight 306 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: hours late. And then they sent they sent an order 307 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: to stay inside Torrantial Palace Verdes, which wasn't affected at all. 308 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: Here's the timeline. Around midnight, the fire department issued a 309 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: shelter and place order on its website and social media. 310 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 2: Shut your windows and doors, keep your pets inside, turn 311 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: off the air conditioning. Then at twelve thirty a wireless 312 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: emergency alert was sent to phones in the area. Also 313 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: the city's emergency management department. Well, I mean that that's 314 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: six hours late because the fire was first responded to 315 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: at six thirty eight pm and then the warnings went 316 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: out at twelve thirty six am, so almost a full 317 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: six hours. Then they moved the ship out of the port. 318 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: I does does anybody do their jobs right? Why do 319 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: these systems not work? Even after the fire debacle with 320 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: warnings in Altadena there were erroneous all the trouble in 321 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: the Palisades. Now here's the first big test really since then, 322 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: and they still don't work. There's still non human communications 323 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: going on. The electronic communications don't work. If there's toxic 324 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: fumes in the air, why were people in these neighborhoods 325 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: allowed to breathe them for six hours? And why did 326 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: it take thirty eight hours to tell them that the 327 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: danger was over? And again I don't see anybody taking 328 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: responsibility here, and you know, to some extense the attitude 329 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: of the people. They have a sand Pedro resident here 330 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: named Sandra Waddell, and she says, we're truly appreciated that 331 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: there's an emergency alert system in the city and the county, 332 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: but it's less than helpful When the alerts go out late, 333 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 2: how about it could be deadly? What do you mean 334 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: less than helpful? Why is everyone so polite? You pay 335 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 2: tax money for an alert system, it's six hours late, 336 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: then it keeps you, keeps you inside for a day 337 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: and a half too long, and you're say you're appreciative, Well, 338 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: what are you appreciative of? You got six hours of 339 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: toxic fumes in your lungs, so did your pet and 340 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: your kids? What are you appreciate here? Would you would 341 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: stop apologizing? So stop trying to be nice. This is gross, 342 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: potentially deadly incompetence. And it's not the first one this year. 343 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: Do you know? 344 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty six personnel were deployed to this 345 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: fire wearing protective gear, hazardous material protective gear, body suits, 346 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: oxygen masks, and they're six hours late with the warnings 347 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: to the residents while the while the firefighters involved are 348 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: wearing these and they should wear these massive suits and 349 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: the protective gear. But geez, could you get an accurate 350 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: warning out? It's just a text message? Why haven't they 351 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: mastered text messaging at the city in the county. Who's 352 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: in charge of this? This is Karen Bass's territory again, 353 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: Does she ever hold a meeting with anybody that and says, 354 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: show me that this stuff works? Why does keep scoring up? 355 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: Who's the person in charge of sending out the messages 356 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: and can't do it right? Why is everything so late? 357 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: No answers, no comment, same old nonsense, over and over again. 358 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: All right, well we come back. What is with that 359 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: that attack on that poor guy in Hermosa Beach? The 360 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: guy was carrying a pizza home. He's in his fifties 361 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: and a group of teenagers beat him almost to death, 362 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: stomping on him on e bikes. I don't Apparently they're 363 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: local kids, local rich kids. 364 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: Perhaps, and they're they're doing bad stuff often apparently, Yeah, 365 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 4: Well who are these people? 366 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: And who who's what parents have created these monsters? We'll 367 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: talk about coming up. 368 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobel on demand from KFI AM 369 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: six forty. 370 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: The fifteenth annual KFI Pastathon is just days away. Actually 371 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: it's going on now right. 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But I come on, John, 400 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: do you know how terribly embarrassing it is? 401 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 5: Who's watching you? 402 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: All right? 403 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: It's not watching, it's it's it's this thing. 404 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 4: It's this microphone into a microphone. Every day you hurt 405 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 4: people's ears sometimes and you're not embarrassed about that. 406 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: I heard people's ears. 407 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 5: You know, with the ransom. 408 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: I know, but I scream in tune. I can't sing 409 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: in tune. Come I'm thinking about it. Okay, how about 410 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: how about just like two words, like just happy birthday 411 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 2: or forwards? One happy birthday to you. I can't hit 412 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: high notes. I can't do it. 413 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 5: In a monotone. 414 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: God, I got your French fries, I got you Vegan cupcakes. Yeah, 415 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: it's never enough. 416 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 5: It's never enough. I know. I've been told that before. 417 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: There's a guy in Hermosa Beach. He got terribly beat 418 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: up by a gang of teenagers on e bikes. The 419 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: guy's in his fifties. He's carrying a pizza. Eight o'clock 420 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: on Friday night, walking through an alleyway and there there's 421 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: a there's video. You may have seen it. Fox eleven 422 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: had surveillance video of it. It was the eleventh Court 423 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: alleyway near the Hermosa Beach Pier. Six young guys with 424 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: e bikes gang up on a man carrying a pizza box. 425 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: They knock him to the ground and repeatedly punch and 426 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: kick him. Uh and and one of them shouted, he's dead. 427 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: He's dead, and then everybody fleas. Now why would you 428 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: What is the purpose? They didn't even rob him, they 429 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: didn't even take the pizza. It was just to do it. Now, 430 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of detail in these stories, but 431 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: what I read in the comments is the local say 432 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: these these kids are rich kids from the South Bay 433 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 2: area who've been terrorizing a lot of people with their 434 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: with their bike gang. That's what you've heard, right, that 435 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: they've they they've done other bets, Yes. 436 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 5: Yes, they have. Locals say that they're constantly causing trouble. 437 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: Apparently throughout Manhattan Beach. El Segunda with Dondo Beach. They 438 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: all deal with complaints of teenagers on e bikes terrorizing residents. 439 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: Last summer, a group of teens on e bikes were 440 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: captured igniting fireworks. They were filmed in the middle of 441 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: a crowded Hermosa Beach pier. They've also throw fireworks in 442 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: Al Segundo. They barrel down the strand, and they assault 443 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: residence in Hermosa Beach. And how do you raise somebody 444 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: who does this? I never knew anybody growing up who'd 445 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: get in a gang like this and start terrorizing innocent 446 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: people just for the sport of it. And knocked I mean, 447 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: this guy was knocked unconscious. Apparently he's got multiple concussions. 448 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: He's having trouble walking from what I heard in a report. 449 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: Uh And and it's really in bad shape. There was 450 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: no argument, there was no fight. He just was carrying 451 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: a pizza. So what kind of savage, animalistic, destructive instinct 452 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: inside these people? And animals don't do this. Animals kill 453 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: other animals in order to eat. Well, this crowd didn't 454 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: eat him, so what and they didn't rob him? I 455 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: wonder are these rich kids from good families? How does 456 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: how does how does a how does a kid become 457 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: like this? 458 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: It's a very good question. 459 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 4: There are a lot of evil people out there, and 460 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: there's just there's no explaining it. 461 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: There really isn't. I mean, I just just think back 462 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: all my life and with the kids that you know, 463 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: all the friends and all the people at the schools 464 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: that my kids went to, we never ran into any 465 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: of this kind of behavie. 466 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 5: I just wonder how their childhoods were. And I'm not 467 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: saying anything negative. I don't know this these kids. 468 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 4: I don't know the parents, but a lot of times 469 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 4: I know that it seems like the people that do 470 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 4: really awful things were either abused themselves in some way 471 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: or terribly neglected, me neglected. I mean again, I don't 472 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: know about this situation, but. 473 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: It was so vicious. I mean, I you know, you 474 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: could go see the video and you could say you 475 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: you just cringe in you you avert your eyes, and 476 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: it's like, so what what? And then what they go 477 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: home and just you're crawling to bed and are the 478 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: parents drunk on the on the on the living room floor, 479 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: are they stoned in the backyard? 480 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: What? What? 481 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: What goes on here? How do you go home after 482 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: beating somebody up, and you think they they left thinking 483 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: they killed him, They left thinking they just murdered a guy, 484 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: and then what you just go home, have a beer, 485 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: go to bed. All their names should be publicized. There 486 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: shouldn't be any privacy protection for these characters. All right 487 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: after three o'clock, I'm thinking about it. 488 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: You are. 489 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 4: He's gonna sing Happy Birthday. And this is a real 490 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: big deal because John Doan. 491 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: Saying I'm not doing the whole song though, Wait a second, 492 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: Oh see, it's never enough. 493 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: You gotta do it. 494 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 5: If you're gonna do it, you gotta do it right. 495 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 5: It's not a long song. 496 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: To begin with. It's four lines long. Aren't there royalty 497 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: problems with that? 498 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: Eric? 499 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: Right, you sing happy birthday? There's like two old ladies 500 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: who oh yeah, big time. You can't even sing Happy 501 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: Birthday in a restaurant. That's why the restaurants change it 502 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: and make it their own songs. So my heart's going 503 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: to be on the hook for someone. Oh yeah, yeah, 504 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: there's a family that owns the right to the song 505 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: and you can't. 506 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 5: That's ridiculous. 507 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's why we can't put bumpers in the podcast. 508 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 4: Because you can't everybody sings Happy Birthday to somebody. 509 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: So if I sing it, you're gonna have to cut 510 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: it out of the podcast. Right technically, now you look 511 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: at all the work you're going to cause. 512 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: Him, are I'm thinking about it. 513 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: We're going to Tony Strickland on the State Senator and 514 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: he is going to talk about how the Trump administration 515 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: is suing California for trying to keep the ice agents 516 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: from wearing masks, and also how the California Legislative Analyst 517 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: Office says eighteen billion dollar deficit for next year. Deborah 518 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: Mark live in the CAFI twenty four hour Newsroom. 519 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: Tim Conway Junior asks that you include him in your 520 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: Thanksgiving table prayers this year, not apparently his baby needs 521 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: a new pair of shoes or something. 522 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I do enjoy gambling. Hashtag pay 523 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: for Tim. Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt 524 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: Show podcast. You can always hear the show live on 525 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty from one to four pm every 526 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 2: Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on demand on 527 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app