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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and uh, let's see, we've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of producers out there. We're in a

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Speaker 1: new studio. We've got Will and man Guesh from Part

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Speaker 1: Time Genius. It's like we all have our pants on.

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Speaker 1: It's a that's weird. That's the weird part. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a just a big family fest. Stuff you should know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome you guys. Thank you. Guys were in this brand

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Speaker 1: new studio. Isn't this exciting? From from the fromale the hide.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot like a science class And yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what happens in here at night science class.

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Speaker 1: There making extra money to pay for this new studio

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Speaker 1: to fill everybody in. We're just doing like in joke

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Speaker 1: frenzy right now, Stuff you should Know or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Work says um expanded. We've got so many

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Speaker 1: podcasts these days, and so many coming down the pike

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Speaker 1: that they've built out new studios and we're using this

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Speaker 1: is our first time, but you guys have used this

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Speaker 1: one before, right, yeah, it's an awesome studio. So Chuck,

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Speaker 1: let's introduce these guys. Huh, okay, well, will is who

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Speaker 1: you've heard speak? Man guesses who you've heard laugh? I

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Speaker 1: would say you do have a great laugh uh, and

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Speaker 1: some point you and me laugh. Right, I've been told

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Speaker 1: I don't know all right man, guests, you go oh wow. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So these guys are the hosts of Part Time Genius,

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Speaker 1: and they just let us know that it is your

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Speaker 1: and co founders of Mental Plus many years ago. But

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Speaker 1: today is your one year anniversary. We have been at

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Speaker 1: house stuff works for one year. Congratulation. Hopefully Jerry will

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Speaker 1: work in some sort of post production sound effect or

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Speaker 1: applause or the fanfare button. Right, yeah, well, congrat um

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Speaker 1: and you guys. So you guys have been doing Part

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Speaker 1: Time Genius? Has it come out like three times a

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Speaker 1: week from the get go? No, it was two times

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Speaker 1: a week at the beginning, and then and we decided

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Speaker 1: around the time of the eclipse, and we thought, you

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Speaker 1: know what we should have done in eclipse episode and

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Speaker 1: let's just share some fun facts and then the next

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Speaker 1: week we were like, you know what, there's been some

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Speaker 1: really bad news, as there has been frequently recently, and

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Speaker 1: so we thought, you know what, let's do an episode

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Speaker 1: on nine things to make you smile. And so most

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Speaker 1: decided to start throwing in these bonus episodes where we

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Speaker 1: do nine things about whatever. It might be, facts about

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Speaker 1: Mr Rogers or house plants. Yeah, you know, house plants,

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Speaker 1: the usual. But there's still pretty robust episodes of like

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes basically. Right. Yeah, so three times, three times

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Speaker 1: a week. My hat is off to you. I'm also

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Speaker 1: vaguely threatened by that because I'm worried, like, did you

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Speaker 1: guys put out three a week? Yeah? We were running

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Speaker 1: at the Classic. I don't know if that counts because

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Speaker 1: We're so building up to get the Classics Wednesdays, Thursdays

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Speaker 1: and Fridays, right, that's right, So how did you guys

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Speaker 1: end up at housetuf works because Chuck said, you're you're

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Speaker 1: the co founders of mental floss, Like, I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's worth saying a couple more times. Yeah, Mental Flaws magazine. Ye,

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Speaker 1: like a site we used and still use all Ye,

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Speaker 1: It's still obviously a great site, and uh, we love

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Speaker 1: all the crew at mental floss. And we were just

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Speaker 1: truly in the cradle, guys. Very sad with the Silverspoon. Well,

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Speaker 1: so welcome, Welcome to the family. After a year, Well

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Speaker 1: on our first day here. Were talked about this previously,

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. I mean, everyone works hard, but they also

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Speaker 1: so enough about all this, Let's talk about the show

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Speaker 1: some more. All Right, you guys have like quizzes typically

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Speaker 1: It's part time Genius dot Com. Right, part Time Genius

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Speaker 1: get your podcast. That's right, and that what we say.

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Speaker 1: I think we say those things all right, fis bumps, guys,

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Speaker 1: It's always a joy to hang out with those two. Huh.

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Speaker 1: I love those guys. They are truly good guys. Um, so, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: some of these instances. There's really no problem with them,

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Speaker 1: something seemingly pure, but um cynical, So I wonder what

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00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: that's all about. It can't be true. I saw a

423
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: great um definition of cynicism and the modern usage a

424
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: cynic as a person whose faded belief or kurdled trust

425
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: had left him unfit for attachment to others. That's a

426
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: like a that's a deep cynic definition. Yeah, that's pretty heavy,

427
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: but yeah, it can be a little lighter than that.

428
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: It could just be somebody who's not willing to just

429
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: kind of go with the flow and take things at

430
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: face value and be happy about things. Trust other people. Yeah, trust,

431
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: I think has a lot to do with it, right, agreed.

432
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: So this is one of those words I actually kind

433
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: of found where this one turns, which we'll get to

434
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: in a second, But it's based on so cynicism again

435
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: is a is an ancient Greek philosophy, and the cynics

436
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: were not like the hedonists at all. They actually thought

437
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: that pleasure was to be avoided, that if you're going

438
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: to lead a virtuous life, you basically need to needed

439
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: to be um, take a vowid poverty, um issue any

440
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: comforts or pleasures, just basically be a bit of a jackass.

441
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Really kind of the idea of like, you know, the

442
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: guys who like walk around and whip themselves self flagellation, right,

443
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: that would have been a very cynical thing to do.

444
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: In the original sense of the term. Yeah, and our

445
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: own article brings up this guy. Apparently he was a

446
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: pretty notable cynic diogenous. I think diogenes diogenes of sinope.

447
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's sinope or signope. I bet

448
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: a snope. Okay, we'll go with that. Sounds nice, So

449
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: diogenesis connected dianetics of Elrond Hover. Uh he was. He

450
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: was one of these guys that would, uh and they

451
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: the example he's in here. He would he would go

452
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: barefoot in the cold weather just to like acclimate his body,

453
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: and his friends would just watch with their arms crossed

454
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: and shake their head like what. Yeah. But he would

455
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: also bark at them right and said that you need

456
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: to be doing this stuff like you and your luxurious

457
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: things need to be more like me. You like that wine,

458
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: You're a loser for drinking that wine. You're a loser

459
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: for enjoying it. That was his thing. Yeah, you should

460
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: be a cynic, right, And he was definitely not one

461
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: of those go along and get along types. Right. Doesn't

462
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: sound like it, So maybe that is a little bit

463
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: where it evolved from it. Certainly, he certainly seems to

464
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: have taken cynicism to the extreme. One of the one

465
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Speaker 1: of the legends of this of cynicism is that, um,

466
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: he was at a banquet once and he was I think,

467
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of telling everybody what jerks they were for enjoying themselves.

468
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: No idea who invited this guy, but they yeah, but

469
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: they threw bones at him like he was a dog,

470
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: like here, eat these bones, enjoy yourself for once. Uh

471
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: maybe they were saying, I'm just paraphrasing, but um he said,

472
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: all right, I'll show you I think your bones and

473
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: hempeate on them. Which this whole thing is just taken

474
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: like a violent, weird turn violent. And we still haven't

475
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: gotten to the root of where cynicism came to be understood,

476
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: as as how we how we use it today. The

477
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: best I could find was that it lies in the

478
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: eighteenth century with Russo, who was a critic of the Enlightenment,

479
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: who was, from what I understand, the embodiment of modern cynicism.

480
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: He couldn't just trust that the Enlightenment and rationalism were

481
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: the way to go and that it led to good things.

482
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: He's a huge vociferous critic of the Enlightenment, and I

483
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: think was either self labeled the cynic or label the cynic,

484
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: and that was the modern use of the word. Haven't

485
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: seen it everywhere, but that's the closest I've found man

486
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: ancient Greece. How'd you like to hang around there for

487
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: like a week. I don't know that I would. It

488
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: just seems like such a crazy time, and that all

489
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: these deep thinkers and philosophers and then hey, let's go

490
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: he's fourteen people in a room with some farm animals

491
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: and some feathers, and see what kind of party we

492
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: can have. Yeah, I mean, I guess I want to

493
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: take that back if I ever got the opportunity to

494
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: travel anywhere in time for a week. Since I mentioned

495
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: the farm animals, you're like, I hadn't thought about the

496
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: farm animals. It just seems like a really crazy time

497
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: in our history for man, almost like it's like it

498
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: took place on a different planet. Yeah, you might as

499
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: well have been, like Asian Greece is on Pluto. Actually, yeah,

500
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: but so many things, I mean, and that's what I think,

501
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: thinking about like the arts and sciences and mathematics is

502
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: just like what weird amazing time. So we're gonna go fat,

503
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna fast forward a little bit in history so

504
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: far we've generally been hanging out in the uh fourth, third,

505
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: second century BC. Here, we'll take a few hundred years. Now,

506
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to the nineteenth century, right, We're gonna

507
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: go to Um the Antibellum South, which is where, surprisingly,

508
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: the term cakewalk came from. Yeah, and this was remember

509
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: when we used to blog. Yes, this is a blog post.

510
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you that because you wrote

511
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: it and then send it to me yesterday. But I'm

512
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: telling everyone else out there. We used to blog like

513
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: everyone else did in the early two thousands. And uh,

514
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: this is one of Josh's post And I had no

515
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: idea did you read the blog post that I wrote?

516
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: The Sorry, but this had has weird racist roots. When

517
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: you hear term cake walk, everyone uses it now to

518
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: say something that's super easy to do, absurdly easy. Yeah,

519
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: that was a cake walk, Like you just basically show

520
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: up and you you win the pride. It's a cake walk. Right.

521
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: It turns out that that's actually extremely denigrating to um

522
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: anti bellum slaves in the nineteenth century because cake walks

523
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: used to be an actual thing. Yeah, this is distressing

524
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: and weird to me, it really is, and especially that

525
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: you can trace the evolution of the word for once. Yeah. Alright,

526
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: So here's what would happen on a plantation and how

527
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: often did this happen. I would guess it was annual.

528
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: It seems like something like that. So let's just say

529
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: once a year every so often at the plantation, the

530
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: white folks would get together and they would throw a

531
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: big ball, like they would throw for themselves, but they

532
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: would have the slaves played the part of the white people,

533
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: and actually it was a ball for the slaves. Yeah,

534
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: but it wasn't you know, like here, let me reward

535
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: you with something nice. It's hey, dress up as us,

536
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: and we'll all sit back and laugh at how you

537
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: think we are right, and you do your best impression

538
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: of of slave master and kind of entertain us right

539
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: in a mocking, jeering way. Like have you heard of

540
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: I know you have Saturnalia, which is like again a

541
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: Greek I believe it was Greek maybe roman Um, this

542
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: festival where social conventions were turned upside out and the

543
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: masters became the servants and the servants became the masters

544
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: for like a day, and the whole point of this

545
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: was culturally socially that had actually reinforced social norms, because yes,

546
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: these slaves in Saturnalia and then the slaves at the

547
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: cakewalk were mocking the social conventions that they had to

548
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: live in the other three hundred and sixty four days

549
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: a year, but they were doing it within a socially

550
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: prescribed framework that was really overseen by the people in charge.

551
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: So yes, they were forced to do it, but they

552
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: were allowed to do it, I think, is you know so,

553
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: so actually in a really weird roundabout but very very

554
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: real way, reinforce the social norms that that kept slavery afloat. Yeah,

555
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and I don't think we mentioned the reason cake comes

556
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: into it to begin with is whichever couple uh in

557
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: the cake walk did the best job and was able

558
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: to mimic the white people the best got a cake

559
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: as a as a prize. So the cake walk was

560
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: an actual thing. And the story actually continues on a

561
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: little further and it gets even worse to tell you

562
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: the truth. Um, those cake walks they happened on plantations

563
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: in the South, and so if you went to a

564
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: cake walk, you were probably one of a very few

565
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: number of people, especially outside of the South, who had

566
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: been to one of these things. But the minstrel shows

567
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: that led to the vaudeville shows in the nineteenth century.

568
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: UM they would actually very frequently perform a cake walk,

569
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: but the cake walks they did were basically making a

570
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: mockery of even the mockery that the the slaves were undertaking. Right,

571
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: So at the very least you could say of the

572
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: cake walks that the real ones the slaves were most

573
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: likely they meant the mockery that they were doing right.

574
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Even though they were allowed to mock it, they still

575
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: meant it. The reason the minstrel shows were so horrible

576
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: is that it was a cakewalk. It was a a

577
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: staged version of a cake walk, making fun of the

578
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: cake walks, so it even removed and robbed from the

579
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: slaves that little bit of agency that the cake walks

580
00:33:53,280 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: gave them because it was white minstrels in black face. Yes, right,

581
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: so the but the the whole premise of the minstrel

582
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: show version of the cake walk was not that the

583
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: black slaves were mocking white society, but that they were

584
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: actually doing this because they really wanted to emulate white society.

585
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: But we're failing miserably at it. So it's a really

586
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: despicable and disgusting change, conversion or perversion of the original intent,

587
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: which is already pretty messed up to begin with, just

588
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: just one of the many problems of minstrel shows. Right, So,

589
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: the idea of cake walk, since more people saw minstrel

590
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: shows than actually we're at a cake walk, this was

591
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: the idea of the cake walk. So when people said

592
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: this is a cake walk, the idea was that even

593
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: if you were just clumsy and inept and could never

594
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: hope to succeed at what you're trying to do, you

595
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: could still win the cake That was the original usage

596
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: of the word. So what I can't gather is is

597
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: this a term now that like people just shouldn't use

598
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: or has it changed such that it's not like a

599
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: genuinely offensive thing. I don't know. I don't think there's

600
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: too many people out there that take offense to it.

601
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: But I wonder if that's because a lot of people

602
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: don't know what the origins of the worlds are. Not

603
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: many people probably know this. Who knows? But you can

604
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: also make the case that the use of it today

605
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: is actually agi because cake walks are normally found in

606
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: nursing home. Really, yeah, I never heard that, And the

607
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: the couple's promenade is replaced with musical chairs. And even

608
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: even in even in these these competitions of musical chairs,

609
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: everybody's still basically a winner. I wonder if piece of

610
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: cake comes from cake walk. Yes it does. So that

611
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: piece of cake interesting, I think we just covered it.

612
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna start saying it was a total piece

613
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: of pie. Right there you go, easy as pie. Well

614
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: there you go. Where did that come from? Uh, it's

615
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: probably somebody who knew what cake walk meant and wanted

616
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: to change things a little. Or I wonder if that

617
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: came from the fact that pie is generally easier than

618
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: baking a cake. I don't know if that's true, is it?

619
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: I think so, because there's not chemistry like you can

620
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: bind some apples and cinnamon and stuff and throwing an oven.

621
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: He got a pie. There's a pie maker just like

622
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: through their iPod across the room, Like a pie is

623
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: not gonna fall because you didn't put just the right

624
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: amount of That's a good point. You know. There's no

625
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: Lady Baltimore pile. I'll tell you that. I think what

626
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying is pie makers you need to step up

627
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: your game. Try a cake. Try making a cake United

628
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: take over. I love pie. We've had this talk. I

629
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: like it all. I don't see any reason to to

630
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: choose no, have both? Um, should we move on? Should

631
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: we do Kafka esque? Yes? Sure, all right. So Franz Kafka,

632
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: very famous writer. This is I did not know that

633
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: a lot of most of his works were published after

634
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: his death. I didn't know that either. But he had

635
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: a knack for writing books. And I read The Metamorphosis

636
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: in high school. But it feels like to his books

637
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: had a central character that was going through some kind

638
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: of like walking through molasses, some really hard struggle that

639
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: they have no control over, probably have no hope of solving.

640
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: And a lot of times it was a an I guess,

641
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: an allegory for an oppressive government. Yeah, almost always right.

642
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: So the person is being there, their forward progress of

643
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: their life or whatever it is they're trying to do

644
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: is either interrupted or um being opposed by some faceless,

645
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: immutable yeah entity, typically in the form of like a

646
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: government or an office or something like Yeah, like the

647
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: movie the Terry Gilliam movie Brazil is probably accurately described

648
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: as cough esque. I would guess that's absolutely right. But

649
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: the Kafka, Um wrote, he's very well known for the

650
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: Trial of the Metamorphosis. Um, but he wrote a lot

651
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: of a lot of the different uses of kafka Esque

652
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: actually work because they definitely touch upon some of his

653
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: different work. Right. So one of the uses of kafka

654
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: Esque that came into fashion supposedly in the nineteen sixties

655
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: and Eastern Europe as the Iron Curtain fell. Um, well,

656
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: the Iron curtain fell before that, but as as the

657
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: the faceless centralized government bureaucracies like really kind of put

658
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: their stamp on on the lives of all millions and

659
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: millions of people. Apparently the word cough gaeste came into

660
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: use then to kind of describe having to deal with

661
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: these absurd bureaucracies that made zero sense but still could

662
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: just shuffle you around for days on end if it

663
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah, And then the article uses a good

664
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: example that it started getting misused and that somebody might

665
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: say that they uh race to catch a bus and

666
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: then got to the bus stop and they made this

667
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: great effort to get there, but then they find out

668
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: there's a bus driver's strike and said that that was

669
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: kafka esk, when in fact that's just bad luck. It is.

670
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: It's it's if that's the worst thing that happens to

671
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: you that day, you're probably doing but just life. But

672
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: that's not cough gask. No, it's not so um that that.

673
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: But but that's not to say that there is a

674
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: central definition of cough gask. It is a pretty wide um,

675
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: widely defined, a multiply defined word. This guy does a

676
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: good job of describing. And I thought it is an

677
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: author named Frederick Carl with a K, and apparently in

678
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the New York Times he said this, what's kafka esque

679
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: is when you enter a surreal world which all your

680
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which

681
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: you have configured your own behavior begins to fall to pieces.

682
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: When you find yourself against a force that does not

683
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: lend itself to the way you perceive the world. You

684
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: don't give up, You don't lie down and die. What

685
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you do is struggle against this with all of your equipment,

686
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: with whatever you have. But of course you don't stand

687
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: a chance. That's tough, Gask, especially the last part two.

688
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: It's like you don't stand a chance, but you still try,

689
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: You still try, because yeah, what are you gonna do?

690
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: Is just be like, Okay, well I guess I'll die.

691
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: You still try to save yourself for to to to

692
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: follow your self determination, but you're never going to win.

693
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: You're doomed from the outset. That is super tough. Gask that.

694
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: That dude, he was his biographer, so he's kind of

695
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: an authority on him, right, you know, so doomed. In

696
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: other words, you want to take one more break, Yeah,

697
00:40:35,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: let's do it. Okay, we're doing that right now. All right, Chuck.

698
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: Now it's time for one of my favorites on this list. Yes, blood,

699
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I got called this a few years ago by my

700
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: friend Scotty Scott. Come on, this is more than a

701
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: few years ago. But I'm ashamed to say I had

702
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: never even heard the word I used it. Yeah, I

703
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: can't remember what I was complaining about. Really, you hadn't

704
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: heard the word ludite? Huh? Had never heard it? I

705
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: mean this wasn't like six months ago. It's like five

706
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: or six years ago. But he called me that. I

707
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: think called me that, or maybe Emily did you go

708
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: what I think? I was like, well, I'm no luddite,

709
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: and then I like raced over and looked at him

710
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: on my smartphone problem. Uh. Yeah, So people throw that

711
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: word around to mean anyone who's anti technology basically, right, Yeah,

712
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people throw it out apparently. Um. Prince

713
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Charles railed against g m os famously he was called

714
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: a ludite. I know France and UM just talk mad

715
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: trash about Twitter. Yeah, I think on Twitter even I

716
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: can't remember, but he was called a luddite. I don't

717
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: remember how it played up, but I'm pretty sure it

718
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: was on Twitter. Um. But yeah, any anybody who is like, um,

719
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: like like we used I was just getting used to

720
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: like Google docs, and all of a sudden, we're using

721
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: base camp around here. And I think you called me

722
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot I didn't you or an old man one

723
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: of the two. Non, okay, but you could have also

724
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: said you're a luddite. The thing is is this is

725
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: one of those words that has evolved to basically mean

726
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: the exact same thing as a technophone, Right, somebody who's

727
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: afraid of technology, either because they don't understand it or

728
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: their words going to lead to the end of the world,

729
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: whatever the reason. New technology makes you nervous, Right. That

730
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: is such a generally accepted definition of this word that

731
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes. It is um. It is

732
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: the definition of blood. The thing is is, if you

733
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: dig back in history, is totally wrong. Yeah Bloodyes, were

734
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: people from ancient Greece. They were they were from Nottinghamshire.

735
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I love that word England and they were weavers. So

736
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: what was beginning to happen and you can see how

737
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: it got its roots here is automated looms came around

738
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: the early nineteenth century during the Industrial Revolution, and they

739
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: were like, wait a minute, this puts our jobs at risk,

740
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna take it. Like twisted sisters will

741
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: eventually say we're not gonna take it, and they would

742
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: go like, trash these looms. And they named themselves real

743
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: they took the name or they were they were named.

744
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it panned out, but they were

745
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: called Bloodites because decades before, and I think seventeen seventy nine,

746
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: a guy in the same area named Ned Blood had

747
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: trashed like asie hose reframe yeah, ned lud too many

748
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: too many d's and too few other letters. Um. He

749
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: trashed to hosiery frame and became kind of a hero,

750
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: working class hero for doing that. And the thing is is, yeah,

751
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: you can get the idea that these people were afraid

752
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: of these automated looms, and it was they were really

753
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: afraid of technology. No, that is has zero to do

754
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: with it. It turns out that looms had been in

755
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: use for hundreds of years already. This is not really

756
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: new technology, which is a kind of an ironic thing

757
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. What they were were it was

758
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: class warfare is what they're engaged in, not anti technology.

759
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: Um terrorism, Yeah, they were. They wanted to keep their jobs. Uh,

760
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: there was a ban on trade unions, so they had

761
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: no well, let's say they had no choice. They felt

762
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: like they had no choice rather than to go out

763
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: and riot and trash these looms. Um. But they they

764
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: they used all sorts of technology to do so. Well.

765
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I saw that the the to these people, to the Latites,

766
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: the looms were they symbolized the concentration of wealth because

767
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: they didn't own the looms. Somebody they worked for own

768
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: the looms, and that they weren't seeing anything from They

769
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: weren't reaping any benefits from these looms. So when they

770
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: were destroying a loom, they were striking at the loom owner,

771
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: this this wealthy person, which is why it was such

772
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: class warfare rather than anti technology rioting. Yeah, and that

773
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: wasn't I think until the nineteen seventies that bloodite became

774
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: kind of the more modern usage. Is that right? So

775
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: I found so this this thing the seven says the seventies.

776
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: There's actually an article in New Scientists that used the

777
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: word in nineteen seventy. But apparently there was a famous

778
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: essay called the Two Cultures by a scientist named CP.

779
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: Snow and he basically said, we have a problem here

780
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: because literary intellectuals and scientific intellectuals are beginning to diverge,

781
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: and you literary intellectuals, you guys are basically nothing more

782
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: than luddites. This is nineteen fifty three, and I think

783
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: he might have been the first person to use it

784
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: to mean technophobes or in this case, I think he

785
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: was saying, like, you don't understand what the importance of

786
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: the industrial revolution. Two people sat on that for seventeen years,

787
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: and then New Science is like, the time is the right,

788
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: let's bring it back, all right. That's a good one.

789
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: That's that's my favorite. These are kind of like I

790
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: think a few of these you can throw around your

791
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: next dinner party and either make people think you're interesting

792
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: or that you're an obnoxious jerk. It depends on how

793
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: you present it. Agreed. You know, so what else we

794
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: got here? I don't know. You want to do two

795
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: or one? Let's do well, let's definitely do nim Rod.

796
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: How about that Nimrod. This one confuses me because that

797
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: Pixie song Nimrod's son. Oh yeah, so Nimrod actually did

798
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: marry his mother. He had a mother wife for a queen,

799
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: but he was That's not what he was known for.

800
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: No that was a real Nimrod in the Bible, and

801
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Nimrod was if you've ever heard of Noah from the Bible,

802
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: this Noah was the great grandfather of Nimrod. So he

803
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: had quite a pedigree. He was Ham's son Ham. Yeah,

804
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: if we don't use that as a first name enough

805
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: these days. Yeah, here it is a last name occasionally,

806
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: but John Ham. Yeah, with two m's, but you never

807
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: hear like, hey, I'm Ham Johnson, good to meet you.

808
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: That would be a great name for a sportscaster or

809
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: a weather person. Ham Johnson casters the Ham Cast with

810
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Ham Clark and Ham Bryant. That's not bad, that's good.

811
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: That's our spinoff idea and we threw around that word

812
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot in our ham Radio podcast because they're called hams.

813
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what our ham Cast could be about, how

814
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: nice ham radio operators are as well as bad comedy. Right,

815
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: and then every once while we review a ham that

816
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: we eat on air. Dude just figured it out. Look

817
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: at that, I mean you predicted shark Nato. Alright, The

818
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: ham Cast coming soon iTunes where if you get your podcasts.

819
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: Somb his hams Son. He is a biblical figure. He

820
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: was very well known as the founder of Babylon. Yes,

821
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. I'm not much of a Bible

822
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: scholar myself. No, not really, um, but he was. He

823
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: was the founder of Babylon and one of the big

824
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: features of Babylon was the Tower of Babel. Yes, this

825
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: one I did know about. Yeah, the Tower of Babel

826
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: is what he was credited with constructing, and that was

827
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: a structure on top of a temple with the idea

828
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: that you could reach God ultimately and destroy God and

829
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: push him around. Yeah. So not a good thing for

830
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: ancient Christians. No, So God was like, um, I can

831
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: kind of see into the future, so I'm not gonna

832
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: let that happen. And he goes um different languages, she's am,

833
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the people who are building

834
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: and constructing this tower Babbel can no longer speak to

835
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: one another because they all speak different languages. And this

836
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: is supposedly the origin story of different languages, foreign languages

837
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: in the world. So everybody, since they couldn't really communicate

838
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: with one another, went off their separate ways. And this

839
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: is another one where they don't know for sure where

840
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: it made the switch eventually to be like a dumb

841
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: dumb but I think this Bugs Bunny. I think this

842
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: holds water. It definitely has some legs. It tracks, uh

843
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Looney Tunes. Bugs Bunny nineteen forties, shout out to our

844
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Speaker 1: friend Jessica. Oh yeah, whose grandfather was Noah? Was Chuck Jones?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Greater so, uh, Bugs Bunny. In one of

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Speaker 1: the Elmer Fud episodes, who was a hunter? Um called

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Speaker 1: him Nimrod in an episode, And I don't think we

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Speaker 1: said Nimrod was known as a great hunter. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess that the irony was lost then, right, Yeah, They're like,

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Speaker 1: I get it it. Yeah, So I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they put Nimrod in there, because Nimrod was a great

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Speaker 1: hunter if it just worked out that way. But it

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Speaker 1: had to have been had to mean because that was

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Speaker 1: the thing that was Fudd's whole thing. He was just

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Speaker 1: terrible at hunting, but that's what he was always doing,

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Speaker 1: was hunting, right, So we called him a nimrod, right,

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Speaker 1: and I saw that it became into use of slang

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Speaker 1: among teenagers in three. Yeah, that seems about right, does

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Speaker 1: it really? Oh it feels like a very eighties I

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Speaker 1: heard that a lot growing up. Really to me, it

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Speaker 1: seems really square in like fifties. Oh no, I'm thinking like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hear Nimrod and I think grody to the max

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Speaker 1: and like pop callers and the cost alligators. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever pop your collar? Sure? I always I never felt

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Speaker 1: like I could pull it off. That was a bit

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Speaker 1: of a prep I was too, but I just I

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Speaker 1: don't know it. Never I tried it. I looked at

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Speaker 1: myself in the mirror a lot. Well that's the key.

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Speaker 1: He's popped the collar and go out the door. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have that kind of collar. Still, don't you

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Speaker 1: get the get done with your flow, be cut poper

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Speaker 1: collar and go Yeah. Yeah, as the other confidence, it's

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Speaker 1: just foolishness. I was thinking the other day, how I

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Speaker 1: haven't touched a hair brush since like seven or eight.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I literally have not put a brush or

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Speaker 1: comb in my hair. Did you have one of those

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Speaker 1: Goodies tortoise shell brushes from the eighties? Remember those? Now

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Speaker 1: I had a Goodies and it wasn't tortoise shell, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably the same thing where yeah it

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Speaker 1: had it been, or the burnout come where you had

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Speaker 1: it sticking out of your back pocket and every I'd

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Speaker 1: never really used combs. I was a brush guy, but

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Speaker 1: to get my wings down. But ever since high school

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Speaker 1: is I've just been a finger comer? Yeah? Same here

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Speaker 1: these these these five fingers. Yeah, to get out of

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Speaker 1: the shower, just gonna spike the hair up and it

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Speaker 1: stays there. Yeah, it's nice. It's very lucky. You don't

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Speaker 1: use product. No, man, that's insane. Are you kidding? Man?

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Speaker 1: My hair won't stand up. It's just limp and lifeless.

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Speaker 1: Well minus too. I don't wash my hair much. How

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Speaker 1: often do you wash your hair every day? Oh, well

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Speaker 1: that's your problem. Well, there's your problem. Here's your problem.

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Speaker 1: Get a little get a little little funk build up.

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Speaker 1: I need a little funk. I guess product is natural funk.

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Speaker 1: Go party with some farm animals. And I think that

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Speaker 1: was a George Clinton album. My product is natural funk.

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Speaker 1: It's nice. Should have been, it's it definitely should have been.

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Speaker 1: And now because of the Sharknado thing again, that's his

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Speaker 1: comeback album. Uh, you got anything else? Well, if you

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Speaker 1: want to know more about George Clinton, you can type

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Speaker 1: his name into the search part house to works dot

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Speaker 1: com and it'll bring up something. And since I said's something,

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Speaker 1: it's time for listening to mail. I'm gonna call this

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Speaker 1: vaping backlash. Oh yeah, we're hearing about it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: nice to hear the vapors stand up and be like, hey, dudes,

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Speaker 1: to heck with you. Yeah. So, in retrospect, I think

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Speaker 1: we kind of made fun of them a little too much. Think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: in retrospect. Sure, so this is from Peter, So this

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Speaker 1: is a mea culpa? Then, well sort of. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: usually enjoy your work, which is that's always a great start.

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Speaker 1: But the vaping episode, come on, guys, the whole episode

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Speaker 1: reeked of mockery and belittled all vapors, even the ones

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Speaker 1: who are simply using it. As a harm reduction method

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Speaker 1: or to quit smoking. I'm fifty one and use the

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Speaker 1: cigrettes to quit smoking instantly and permanently. Mind you, about

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Speaker 1: eight years ago. It's the only thing that worked for me.

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Speaker 1: All I can do all day is puff flat fat clouds.

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Speaker 1: Your research was seriously lacking in this one. You would

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Speaker 1: have been much more informed if you actually talked to

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Speaker 1: a vaping advocate. I I wanna. I want to interject here.

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Speaker 1: Our research is not at all lacking. We did a

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Speaker 1: ton of research for this episode. Please go on. Well,

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Speaker 1: we tried to get in touch with vapors, but they

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Speaker 1: are all out on the sidewalk blocking backglouds or at

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Speaker 1: least someone on the local scene. Guys from this century, preferably,

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Speaker 1: things have come a long way in the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: Some of the facts he uses in quotes you were

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Speaker 1: citing based on seriously flawed research. For example, the vapor

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Speaker 1: vaporized metals particles portion was brand new. Nobody, nobody, he says,

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Speaker 1: would vape at the temperatures needed to replicate that in

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Speaker 1: the real world. Um, but as usual, people see the

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Speaker 1: headline and don't dig deeper. Uh. This guy is starting

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Speaker 1: to really upset me to really. Yeah, we've researched just

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Speaker 1: as much as we ever do. Buddy, what's this guy's name.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Okay, we did get called out.

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Speaker 1: A couple of other people said that those temperatures, like,

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Speaker 1: you don't vape at those temperatures. No, but you can

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Speaker 1: and some people do. And I, if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 1: the leaching metals thing was not about temperatures. It was

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Speaker 1: about the newness of the coil. Okay, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm refereeing, uh calling people stupid and dummies

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Speaker 1: for vaping at zero nicotine levels. Smack my head. There's

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Speaker 1: more to cigarette addiction than the nicotine issue. I think

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Speaker 1: aping could potentially eradicate smokers from our society the very

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Speaker 1: least safe, thousands of lives and millions of dollars in

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Speaker 1: medical and pharma. To paint it all with the idiotic

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Speaker 1: foolishness brush is playing wrong in a real disservice to

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Speaker 1: your audience. I'm pretty piste off. As you can tell.

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Speaker 1: There are only I'm sorry, sure, there are people who

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Speaker 1: vape that make us all look silly, but man, this

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Speaker 1: is the only smoking cessation method that works for many people.

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Speaker 1: You just turned a lot of people away from it

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Speaker 1: who could really benefit possibly not die disappointed listener here

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Speaker 1: that it's from Peter Joett in Vancouver. Peter, Peter, I

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Speaker 1: will totally agree with you. Our mockery was way over

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Speaker 1: and be above and beyond. We yucky. Um, totally for sure,

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Speaker 1: and I apologize. I want to make a couple points here.

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Speaker 1: We definitely definitely did our research. We don't just phone

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Speaker 1: episodes and it doesn't matter what we think of the topic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we still do our research. And then secondly, I really

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Speaker 1: don't feel like we turned people off of vaping and

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Speaker 1: onto tobacco, because if I remember correctly, we definitely made

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Speaker 1: it clear that you were even dumber if you smoke tobacco.

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Speaker 1: The tobacco was far, far worse. I think the whole

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Speaker 1: point of that episode was that vaping was not necessarily

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Speaker 1: as good for you as it's been portrayed in the

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Speaker 1: same media that you railed against earlier. I would agree

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Speaker 1: with that. I don't think we I think we po

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Speaker 1: po all forms of nicotine and definitely did there you go.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're using it to get off

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Speaker 1: of tobacco, that's great. Step two is getting off of

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Speaker 1: the baking. Uh. Well, if you're like Peter and you're

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Speaker 1: pod about something you want to get in touch with us,

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Speaker 1: you can tweet to us. I'm at joshum Clark, Chuck's

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Speaker 1: at movie Crush uh, and we're both at s Y

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Speaker 1: s K podcast, Chuck's on Facebook dot com, slash stuff

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Speaker 1: you Should Know and slash Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You can send us an email to Stuff Podcast at

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