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Speaker 1: All right, welcome inn to lay Cake is Live.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, March eleventh, View of Our Lord

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, jam packed as always.

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Speaker 1: We got a big week here. Actually it's ongoing.

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Speaker 2: Some of it's already happened, some of it's in the

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Speaker 2: process of happening.

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Speaker 1: Some you can see, some of you can't see. All

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you about though, before we go off the

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Speaker 2: air tonight. We're talking about, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: something I never thought i'd talk about, at the inception

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Speaker 2: of the college Football Playoff, and that is which era

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Speaker 2: has been, was and then will be healthier for college football.

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Speaker 2: The old BCS, you know, the much maligned BCS, or

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Speaker 2: what a lot of people are pitching as the future

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Speaker 2: of college football an eighteen playoff, an expanded playoff again,

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Speaker 2: stuff that maybe I thought i'd never hear myself say.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably say on the show tonight. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: give you my reasons. Some of you're gonna agree, disagree.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you my reasons. The Sunshine State Scorecard came

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Speaker 2: out this week. Now that's a special that Bud Elliott

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Speaker 2: does for several states a few times a year. But

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Speaker 2: I look at it, especially the Florida and California versions

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Speaker 2: and double especially the Florida version as the real key

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Speaker 2: to unlocking parody in college football. Don't have a lot

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Speaker 2: of it right now. I think there are tangible ways

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Speaker 2: that don't involve expanding a playoff that we could go

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Speaker 2: about getting it.

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Speaker 1: That's one of them. We'll talk about that tonight.

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Speaker 2: Also, it is the continuation of the series that we're

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Speaker 2: doing where we're asking these questions for different conferences out there.

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Speaker 2: We're going to hit the acc from several different like

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Speaker 2: half a dozen angles tonight.

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Speaker 1: All that plus the Notre Dame Mood.

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Speaker 2: Tracker, and before we start, a great big thank you

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Speaker 2: to everyone who participated in our first but certainly not last,

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Speaker 2: Late Kicks Show Owners Association meeting.

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Speaker 1: It was great. I sat right over there.

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Speaker 2: And we just we got about what somewhere between twenty

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Speaker 2: and twenty five of you in a room on zoom

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Speaker 2: and we just talked for like an hour and a half,

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Speaker 2: somewhere between an hour and a half and two hours.

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Speaker 2: Here's the important part. It's not the last time.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do it. Next.

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Speaker 2: I think when we get over fourteen thousand on Twitter

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Speaker 2: at Late kick Josh, that'll be the next one.

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Speaker 1: We learned a lot though.

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Speaker 2: The process taught us a lot about how we should

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Speaker 2: structure it and format it next time.

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Speaker 1: So we're happy.

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Speaker 2: We got a nice B B plus product that we

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Speaker 2: are rapidly going to turn into an A plus product

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Speaker 2: the next time around. So we're really happy with that,

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Speaker 2: and thank you so much because it was really, really fun. Also,

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Speaker 2: one of those other irons in the fire that you

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Speaker 2: guys always ask me about is merchandising and whatnot. And

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not an expert on that by any means,

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Speaker 2: but some people are just stay tuned, not too much longer,

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive in the BCS and the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 1: Two distinct eras.

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Speaker 2: When we were in one, most of us claim that

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Speaker 2: we wanted the other, And now the more and more

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Speaker 2: couple of us, maybe even three, maybe five, maybe even

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Speaker 2: I don't know thirty percent are looking back saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: things weren't so bad during the BCS. Now there are

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Speaker 2: certainly there's certainly merit to the college football Playoffs So

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Speaker 2: let's dive into this because I think in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways, we're at an inflection point in college football now.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of different conversations going on simultaneous,

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Speaker 2: so we don't even have time just on this show

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Speaker 1: Address every single one of them.

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Speaker 2: But I think a lot of us can agree on

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Speaker 2: The inflection point that is here, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: We're happy about that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of us, as pure college football

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Speaker 2: No one likes that. Where we differ is what we

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Speaker 2: remember vividly before I give you the question, when there

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Speaker 2: The regular season was still going to matter a whole lot,

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Speaker 2: And it was going to be great, and that selection

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Speaker 1: And that was to some degree true.

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Speaker 2: But now we're several years into the college Football Playoff,

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Speaker 2: it right now for different reasons. Now, it's not all

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Speaker 2: We're going to go fifty thousand feet here for just

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Speaker 2: wasn't perfect. By no means was the BCS era perfect.

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Speaker 2: We could talk about that we always did back then.

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Speaker 1: But if you agree that.

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Speaker 2: These things matter, these things were being served well, like

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Speaker 1: They still mattered.

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Speaker 1: Were still jacked to go play in one of the.

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Speaker 1: It just it all mattered. Well, what in the world happened?

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Speaker 2: a no brainer. They did what you and I would

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Speaker 2: That was a no brainer. The problem is it came

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Speaker 2: a funny thing happened. People started to pay attention. Not

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Speaker 2: And so I'm listening to some folks talk, and I've

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Speaker 2: this way. I got a credit KIRKERB.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to KIRKERB Street the other day talk

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Speaker 2: And so I'm looking at this and I'm thinking about

438
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Speaker 2: all the formulas that people lay out there for how

439
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,959
Speaker 2: we get college football parody? And do we need to

440
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,199
Speaker 2: expand the playoff? And do we need to change this

441
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Speaker 2: and change that? Just scheduling dynamics need to change. How

442
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Speaker 2: about just having Florida get their house in order. And

443
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Speaker 2: by Florida, I mean everybody down there. If Gus Malzon

444
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Speaker 2: wants to come in and be a factor here, then

445
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Speaker 2: have Central Florida be a factor here.

446
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Speaker 1: I don't care who gets it done.

447
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying this would send such a bigger ripple

448
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Speaker 2: effect through the sport of college football.

449
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Speaker 1: And think about this.

450
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Speaker 2: So we're not really talking about the Golden State Scorecard

451
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Speaker 2: in this particular show, but we do that as well.

452
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Speaker 2: When the Golden State Scorecard comes out. You look at

453
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Speaker 2: the mass talent exodus that's been leaving the state of California.

454
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Speaker 1: What if both.

455
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Speaker 2: Of those things happen, Like what if USC and cal

456
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Speaker 2: or just the West coast.

457
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Speaker 1: What if the West Coast kept.

458
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Speaker 2: A majority of the California talent at home and the

459
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Speaker 2: state of Florida kept its Florida talent at home. How

460
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Speaker 2: different would the sport be. I didn't change anything about

461
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Speaker 2: the postseason. I didn't change anything about scheduling. All I

462
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Speaker 2: did was I upped the recruiting efforts hypothetically, of course,

463
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Speaker 2: from the programs that are in the backyards of the

464
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Speaker 2: hottest geographic.

465
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Speaker 1: Recruiting bases in America.

466
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Speaker 2: That is what has allowed one of the things that

467
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Speaker 2: has allowed Alabama to soar. They go into Florida and

468
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: Texas and California for that matter, and they routinely just

469
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Speaker 2: pluck whoever they want to. Seemingly, Ohio State has done

470
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Speaker 2: the same thing. Clemson, especially in Florida, has tended to

471
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Speaker 2: do the same thing. And it's another example. I go

472
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: back to this analogy constantly. It's another example of people

473
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 2: thinking the problem is in the window, so it's out there,

474
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 2: it's something about the sport. In reality, it's in the mirror.

475
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen and his staff, they got to do better.

476
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Speaker 2: That starts in the mirror. Like Mike Norvell's brand new

477
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Speaker 2: on the scene, manny DA is still kind of new

478
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: on the scene, and the recruiting efforts have gotten better

479
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Speaker 2: at Miami. There is not a top ten ranked team

480
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Speaker 2: in the state of Florida this recruiting cycle. For this

481
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Speaker 2: past recruiting cycle, the twenty twenty one cycle, none of

482
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Speaker 2: those teams finished in the top ten. Do you know

483
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: how insane that is? You've got to be given kids

484
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Speaker 2: reasons to leave the state. Their default setting is they

485
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: want to stay home. Like Florida kids aren't dying to

486
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: go play in Ohio. They're not dying to go play

487
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Speaker 2: in South Carolina. They're going there because you're not giving

488
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Speaker 2: them a better option. You give them a better option.

489
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Speaker 2: They stay home. They stay home, You win more. You

490
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Speaker 2: win more, possibly at the expense of Bama, Clemson, and

491
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Speaker 2: Ohio State winning more. And then all of a sudden,

492
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Speaker 2: you got you parody in college football, or at least

493
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Speaker 2: a little bit more, and you have a few more

494
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Speaker 2: seats at that tier two table, and those programs are

495
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Speaker 2: maybe knocking on the door of Tier one status. That's

496
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Speaker 2: how you start to fix your parody problem. Every time

497
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Speaker 2: someone's screwing up things in their own backyard, the answer is,

498
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: let's just overhaul the sport. To overhaul your process, fix

499
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Speaker 2: your own self before you start looking out the window

500
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Speaker 2: and saying college football holding us back, Like imagine, I'm

501
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: not saying I'm hearing this excuse. But the again, the

502
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Speaker 2: fifty k foot excuse for the lack of parody is

503
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Speaker 2: just thought to be the playoff is just allowing the

504
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Speaker 2: few to thrive the expense of the many.

505
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Speaker 1: No, it's not.

506
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Speaker 2: No, the inaptitude in the recruiting departments for a long

507
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Speaker 2: time now in places like Tallahassee and Gainesville in Miami

508
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 2: that has allowed Alabama and Ohio State and clemsonto floors.

509
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Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with how many teams you

510
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Speaker 2: got in the playoff. Moving on, I didn't. I didn't

511
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Speaker 2: grow up in Florida. It just sounds like I did.

512
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some big questions though throughout the spring.

513
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Speaker 2: What am I scratching myself for? Well, if you're listening

514
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Speaker 2: to the podcast, ignore this, But director Colin and I

515
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: have developed sort of a routine, a new habit, if

516
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Speaker 2: you will, in the kitchen right before I come into

517
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Speaker 2: the studio to do the show.

518
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Speaker 1: So I chug A what is It's just it's just gasoline. Essentially.

519
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Speaker 2: What it is is it's a hundred and eighty milligrams

520
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Speaker 2: of caffeine and a can and I just turn it

521
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Speaker 2: up moments before I come in here.

522
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Speaker 1: So about now we're twenty minutes into the show.

523
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Speaker 2: Now's when it really starts to hit and your teeth

524
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Speaker 2: chatter and your neck itches, and really, if I were

525
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Speaker 2: to fully react like I feel like physically reacting, you'd

526
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Speaker 2: probably schedule an intervention for me sometime later this weekend.

527
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Speaker 2: So ignore the scratching of the arm. It's just jitters,

528
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Speaker 2: That's all that is. How about the ACC biggest questions

529
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Speaker 2: for the spring for several of these programs, Hey, I

530
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Speaker 2: got one. I got to go right back to Tallahassee, Florida.

531
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Speaker 2: We got to start with Florida State. I banged on

532
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Speaker 2: him for like five minutes. Now, let's talk about the

533
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Speaker 2: potential upsides Mackenzie Milton. My biggest question, probably for the

534
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Speaker 2: entire ACC, to be honest with you, is what's Mackenzie

535
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Speaker 2: Milton going to look like? This is a guy in

536
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, if you just kind of remember, vaguely had

537
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Speaker 2: a leg injury. It wasn't a leg injury. There were

538
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Speaker 2: serious rumors that he was going to have to have

539
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Speaker 2: his leg amputated. Like it was a very very serious,

540
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Speaker 2: catastrophic type injury, and he transfers and he's at Florida

541
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Speaker 2: State now. And here's what has just fascinated me. He

542
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Speaker 2: caught my a lot. Not only have the beat riders

543
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: around Florida State said he's going to be good to go.

544
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Speaker 2: Not only has Mike Norvelda head coach there, and Kenny

545
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Speaker 2: Dillingham and like this staff there. Not only have they

546
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Speaker 2: said he's going to be good to go, but like

547
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Speaker 2: it's it's now spring practice time, and I think they're

548
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Speaker 2: two days into the spring practice now, and so you're

549
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Speaker 2: starting to try and get a real sense of how's

550
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Speaker 2: he moving around, Like do we get to see any

551
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Speaker 2: footage of him? How does he look? And mobility is

552
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Speaker 2: one of the main facets of his game. Without it,

553
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Speaker 2: you're not getting really the Mackenzie Milton that you remember.

554
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Speaker 2: But I've heard a lot of people down there say

555
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Speaker 2: he's going to be full speed, he's going to be

556
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Speaker 2: good to go, he's cleared, And like you and I

557
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: have watched this sport long enough to know there's a

558
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Speaker 2: big difference, especially with lower extremity injuries, between being cleared

559
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Speaker 2: and being back.

560
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Speaker 1: If Mackenzie Milton's back number one.

561
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Speaker 2: The quarterback battle at Florida State may be decided, not

562
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Speaker 2: without competition, but I'm saying if you could see the

563
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: last chapter of the quarterback battle, it could be decided.

564
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Speaker 2: If he is truly one hundred percent, I'd have to

565
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Speaker 2: see it to believe it, but I sure do hope

566
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Speaker 2: that's the CA because that could change a whole lot.

567
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Speaker 2: The second thing I'm looking at is I'm looking at Clemson,

568
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Speaker 2: and the talk all of last year was Clemson's is

569
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Speaker 2: the best team in the ACC. They're gonna go to

570
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Speaker 2: the ACC title game, They're gonna get a rematch against

571
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Speaker 2: a Notre Dame. They're going to win that game. And

572
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Speaker 2: then here's the part that a lot of people got wrong.

573
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Speaker 2: Then they're gonna go and they're gonna beat Ohio State

574
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Speaker 2: as a touchdown favorite in the semi final and it's

575
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Speaker 2: gonna be Bama Clemson Part forty seven.

576
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Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't the case. They got skull drug by

577
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, and it.

578
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Speaker 2: Turned out the perception did not match reality with Clemson,

579
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Speaker 2: and there were these whispers. We talked about it a

580
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Speaker 2: few times on this shows. Some other people in the

581
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Speaker 2: more data and analytics based communities. They whispered. They didn't

582
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Speaker 2: want to scream it, but they whispered throughout the year.

583
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Speaker 2: Clemson is not really who you remember them being out wide.

584
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Speaker 2: They're not going to be exposed in the regular season

585
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Speaker 2: in all likelihood, but they will be exposed when they

586
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Speaker 2: face an elite pass rush and or elite defensive backplay

587
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Speaker 2: come postseason time. Well listen, though, I wouldn't even say

588
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: Ohio State threw elite defensive backplay at them, but they

589
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: did not have the wide receivers to take over games,

590
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Speaker 2: which begs the following question, now.

591
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Speaker 1: That we are in the spring, do they have that

592
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Speaker 1: this year?

593
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Speaker 2: You know Justin Ross, for example, formerly of Phoenix City,

594
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Speaker 2: Alabama Central High School fame, is he returning to form

595
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Speaker 2: as DJ Leangla Le gonna pan out to be everything

596
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Speaker 2: that you hope he is. I have very little doubt

597
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Speaker 2: about him. I certainly have very little doubt about Justin Ross.

598
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: But you know, offensive line, mainly from a run blocking perspective,

599
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: really underachieved last year for them. But therein lies one

600
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Speaker 2: of the problems, Like if I know you can't really

601
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Speaker 2: establish that against me, I'm not scared of it. And

602
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Speaker 2: if I'm not scared of it. I can devote a

603
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Speaker 2: lot more time to shutting down that passing game of yours.

604
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Speaker 2: And that happened big moments last year. That happened can't

605
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Speaker 2: happen this year. And so I'm looking at that with

606
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Speaker 2: a razor sharp focus. With Clemson, which other names I

607
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: know justin ross like, which other names can I get

608
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Speaker 2: to emerge? And I'm not talking about names that I

609
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Speaker 2: know from the recruiting trail. I'm talking about names that

610
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Speaker 2: I know because they now have proven production at Clemson,

611
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Speaker 2: you know, or if they're new and they're young and

612
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Speaker 2: they can't have proven production, what people around Clemson keep

613
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Speaker 2: telling me about them? People I can trust. You know,

614
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Speaker 2: you start to hear some whispers and rumors. It didn't

615
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: take aj Green and Julio Jones playing deep into their

616
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: freshman year before you knew they were the real deal.

617
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Speaker 2: Got to get some more of those at Clemson. Got

618
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Speaker 2: to restock the cover. How about Georgia Tech. I need

619
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Speaker 2: to get a year two bump for Jeff Simson. Really,

620
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Speaker 2: this entire offense at Georgia Tech. Did the mood tracker

621
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Speaker 2: for Georgia Tech a couple of weeks ago, and we

622
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Speaker 2: talked about how even though they've only won three games

623
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Speaker 2: each of the first two years of Jeff Collins being there,

624
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Speaker 2: there's still a lot of excitement. And it's because there's

625
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: a realistic nature about the way that the fan base

626
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: has looked at the program and they understood ground up rebuild.

627
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: We got to overturn a lot. We're not running the

628
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: triple option anymore. It's going to take some time. We

629
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Speaker 2: got to redefine who we are. Well at the beginning

630
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Speaker 2: of year two. Last year, you kind of saw a

631
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: mirage still wandering through the desert. But there was that mirage,

632
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: and the mirage was the b roll that we're looking

633
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: at right now. To be honest with you, Jesse was

634
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: just showing you that Florida State game. Jeff Simms and

635
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. They went into Tallahassee won in week one.

636
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Speaker 2: He look good like he was in control at times.

637
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: He made some errant throws, but he was also controlling

638
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Speaker 2: the game, extending plays with his legs.

639
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: He made some.

640
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: Really good throws, showed a lot of arm talent. And

641
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Speaker 2: you said, I wasn't even talking about Jeff Sims at

642
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Speaker 2: all this week. For that matter, I wasn't talking about

643
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech this week. Maybe they're for real. Well, they

644
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: weren't for real yet. He was by far a year

645
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: ahead of schedule. Probably if you had an ideal roster situation,

646
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Speaker 2: Jeff Sims wouldn't have been starting for you last year.

647
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Speaker 2: Things are far from my ideal or at least were

648
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: last year at Georgia Tech.

649
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Speaker 1: So he was starting well.

650
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: Hopefully a lot of the growing page you saw last

651
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: year leads to tangible growth that you see on the

652
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Speaker 2: field this year. They were very inconsistent last year. You're

653
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: just looking for how many elements, how many layers of

654
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: the Georgia Tech offense do you feel confident that you

655
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: can go to war with because see a lot of

656
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: focuses on defense with them. Defensively, they underachieved last year.

657
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: I just don't.

658
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't worry all that much about Jeff Collins and defense.

659
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't. Maybe I ended up being wrong about that.

660
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't worry about it.

661
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: If they get things figured out offense, Like I keep

662
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: waiting for there to be a real big spike in

663
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: productions from Georgia Tech third year, I think is a

664
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: reasonable time to expect that.

665
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: How about North Carolina? North Carolina coming into last year.

666
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: They knew they had well, they thought they had really

667
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: good elements at quarterback and wide receiver.

668
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: They got good talented running back.

669
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Defensively, they don't have the horses up front, and they

670
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: knew that last year. This was not a mystery if

671
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: you listened to that coaching staff or you talk to

672
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: people close to the program, and so you hope to

673
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: see a glaring difference this year. Sam Howell's approven commodity

674
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: the offense in general, there's very little doubt they're going

675
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: to have really good production there. Can they stop people,

676
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: can they force turnovers? Can they disrupt? Do they have

677
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: enough quality depth to compete in fourth quarters? Because there

678
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: were a couple of times against better teams last year

679
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 2: defensively they couldn't give themselves a chance to win in

680
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. So you got to build that and

681
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: obviously they think they're closer now than they were a

682
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: year ago. I think spring will go a long way

683
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: and determining how right they are about that. You got

684
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: some new bodies there, but they got a lot of

685
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: returning pieces to you know, it's not so much about

686
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: who's new here, it's we got a lot of pieces back.

687
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Is that a good thing.

688
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Is it gonna matter as much as a preview magazine

689
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: would lead you to believe that's that's the number one

690
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: focus for me with Georgia Tech or with North Carolina?

691
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: And it can be when you got quarterback figured out. Lastly,

692
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: how about Miami's wide receiver depth? Derek King is where

693
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: the focus is going to be here, but he's out

694
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: for spring. We think he'll be back in time to

695
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: at least compete for, if not reclaim his starting quarterback

696
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: position in the fall. And that leads to its own

697
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: set of issues, cause you got some new You got

698
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: some new faces in that quarterback room too, that aren't

699
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: going to exactly be happy just being a placeholder for

700
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: Derek King. But we'll talk about that in the fall.

701
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: This is about spring questions. Either quarterback is going to

702
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: need wide receivers to emerge. And I know, like you

703
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: got you got one guy in like Harley, like he

704
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: had a good second half of the season last year. Okay,

705
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: I can depend on him. What do you got for

706
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: me next? Charleston Rambo transfers in from Oklahoma? Okay, I

707
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: think I can depend on him. But after that, it's

708
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: just names, Mark Pope, d Wiggins, Like, those are names

709
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: and they're guys that you're going to pencil into the

710
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: starting rotation or they're going to be contributors. But they're

711
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: just names. There's nothing proven. They were very inconsistent in

712
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. The entire passing game struggle to

713
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: be dependable at times.

714
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Last year.

715
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: They got to have pieces at receivers step up. I

716
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: don't care who starts a quarterback for him. Miami is

717
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: going to have to have more pieces at receivers step up,

718
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: and they're going to have games where they got to

719
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: know that they can get thirty five if they need

720
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: it to win. And I'd be kind of uncomfortable assuming

721
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: that right this moment in time. That's what God created

722
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: to bring practice for. So those are the biggest questions

723
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: we have for the ACC for the twenty twenty one

724
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: college football season.

725
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up with a mood tracker.

726
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: There is no program that collectively has come after me

727
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: with as much fervor as Notre Dame fans have. Now,

728
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: they've been a lot smaller. It's not been an army.

729
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: It's been like a kind of a mafia. But man,

730
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: they've been so adamant in the dms and emails about

731
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: we need to get the Notre Dame mood tracker, So

732
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: it's Notre Dame mood tracker time tonight. Premiere Purgatory is

733
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 2: the mood around South Bend. This is very counterintuitive. Premiere

734
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: and purgatory, those are not It's alliteration. I'll grant you that,

735
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: but it's not a couple of words that you ever

736
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: hear joined together. It's a rare recipe. I'll grant you that,

737
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: because you need two things. Number one to be premier.

738
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you've got to be operating at a

739
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: level that leads you to be the envy of ninety

740
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: five percent of college football. But yet you've also got

741
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: to be stuck somewhere where you're still solidly looking up

742
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: at the other five percent, and there's some distance between

743
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 2: you and the five percent. This was one of the

744
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: easiest moods to track, Premiere Purgatory. I was over on

745
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: Irish Illustrated dot com today, over on the board there

746
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: and I was asking, what is your mood, give me

747
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: one word, one phrase, what's the mood here? And someone

748
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: said purgatory and they said it's a nice theme, falls

749
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: in line with Catholicism.

750
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: You want to go that route, go that route.

751
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: I just slapped from here on the front of it,

752
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: because there is rightfully, oh a lot of pride and

753
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: excitement about Notre Dame football. This program, over a rolling stretch,

754
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: you could argue is operating at the highest level it

755
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: has in several generations. You don't have to win playoff

756
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: games in national championships to be a really good program.

757
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: But having said that, they didn't get here yesterday. Like

758
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: I think it's four out of the last five or

759
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: five out of the last six years they've won double

760
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: digit games. Well, once you get there, and then you're

761
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: still there, and then you're there again. They had like

762
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: a four and eight season in there somewhere. But if

763
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 2: you subtract the best and worst out of this stretch,

764
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: they're a double digit win caliber program.

765
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: But then that's it.

766
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's premiere. But yet you're still kind of

767
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: stuck purgatorily. If it didn't exist before, it does now

768
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: below the big boys, you're tier one or tier two.

769
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: You're solidly tier two. The goal is to be tier one,

770
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: and they know it. That's the thing about Notre Dame fans.

771
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: They know it.

772
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: There's no irrationality. I have not had a single person

773
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: come to me and say, fire Brian Kelly. I have

774
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: not had a single person come to me and say.

775
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm out.

776
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: We can't we can't beat Alabama, So I'm done with

777
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Notre Dame football. There's none of that, But there's also

778
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: a lot of, Man, I wish we could just get

779
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: quarterback figured out. I wish we could add some talent

780
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: at wide receiver, the likes of which the other big

781
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: boys have. Because Notre Dame fans they watch two a

782
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: tongue of Ailoa and Trevor Lawrence or Baker Mayfield justin fields.

783
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: They see all that, and they look at their TV

784
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: screen or they look at the field in person, and

785
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: they say two things that we realize. Firstly, you gotta

786
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: have one of those if you're going to win a championship.

787
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: And secondly, we don't have one, and we haven't had

788
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: one in quite a while. And then they look at

789
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: guys like DeVante Smith or someone like that, and they say,

790
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: you got to have some of those guys too, and

791
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: we don't have those. And quite simply, that is what

792
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: is separated Notre Dame from being a true championship contender.

793
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: There's a wide gap in the sport between being a

794
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: playoff contender and a championship contender. It seems like, well,

795
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: how is that. It's only one more game? It's a

796
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: grand canyon to cross, Believe me, if you don't have

797
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: the right quarterbacks and wide receivers guiding you. So I

798
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: asked someone today who I trust, implicitly about Notre Dame football,

799
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: just out of curiosity. I'm doing the mood tracker and

800
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: what is your mood one word or phrase, and they said,

801
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: two years away from truly being a title contender, two

802
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: years away. This year's team will be another solid team.

803
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: You don't look Jack Cone comes in on the transfer

804
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: market like you don't look at quarterback right now, and figure, yeah,

805
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, they'll finally have it at quarterback this year.

806
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: They'll finally have it at receiver this year. Crazier things

807
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: have happened, But a lot of the hope is not

808
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: being placed on the shoulders of Jack Cone. It's being

809
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: placed on the shoulders of Tyler Butner. Tyler Butner is

810
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: a true freshman this year. The hope from this person,

811
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: at least was that one year later we will have

812
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: found out, for better or for worse, what we really

813
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: have there, and then we'll be able to go to work.

814
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: And you know, it's another recruiting class under your belt.

815
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: But I do want to address before we move on

816
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: and close it here. The Notre Dame is overrated crowd.

817
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't

818
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: know where it comes from. I hear it a lot

819
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: like Notre Names made the playoffs a couple of times

820
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: the last few years, and I get told Notre Dame's

821
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: overrated according to.

822
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: What according to what's.

823
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: Scale out there, is Notre Dame overrated on I have

824
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: not seen anyone worth their salt, anyone of any credibility,

825
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: point to this program and say they're right there with Alabama,

826
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: They're right there with Clems, and they're superior to or

827
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: equal to Ohio State, Bama Clems. No one says that

828
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: with any credibility. If they said it, that would be

829
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: someone overrating Notre Dame.

830
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: No one says that. What they do say is, once

831
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: you get past those programs, your Georgia's of the world,

832
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, your Organs like we are right there in

833
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: line with what any of these other folks out here

834
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: are doing. So, Yeah, there may be two or three

835
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: of them that we can't compare to, but we'll compare

836
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: our product favorably with anyone else you want to try

837
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: it out there in America. That's not overrating Notre Dame.

838
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: That's what that's an accurate picture of what Notre Dame

839
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: football has been like. They have been a northern version

840
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: of what Georgia has been. The oklahom almost won a

841
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: few more games, but they've kind of been what Oklahoma

842
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: has been, a really really good program, better than ninety

843
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: plus percent of the sport.

844
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: They haven't gotten over the playoff hump.

845
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: They haven't won a championship, but yet whatever the next

846
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: tier is, they're right there. Notre Dame's not overrated. If

847
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: I say that about Notre Dame, I'm just giving you

848
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: an accurate portrayal of Notre Dame. Just because you keep

849
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: running into Alabama and Clemson and losing, and those are

850
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: the only teams knocking you off, that doesn't mean you're overrated. Theoretically,

851
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: the number four team in the country would have that problem.

852
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: You keep running into the number one and number two

853
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: teams in America, and those are the ones beating you.

854
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you're not top five. It just means

855
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: you're not top two. So Notre Dame's right there, quarterback,

856
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Get those positions figured out, and you get

857
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: that championship drought figured out.

858
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: Good show tonight.

859
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,000
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860
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: and none of them involve money. We love it when

861
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
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862
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
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00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,439
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865
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Speaker 2: so humbly that's all we ask in return. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much to you for making a lot of things

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Speaker 2: possible that we did this week. Again, we're looking to

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Speaker 2: balls are in your court, as we like to say,

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Speaker 2: t shirt idea Colin all right for director Colin, and

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Speaker 2: merit us for Jesse and the entire crew in Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate, Thanks so much for watching. Have a

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Speaker 1: great early start to your weekend. You know what, why

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Speaker 1: not go watch some basketball. Have a great weekend. Goblets