1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hey, Latino USA listener, It's Marieno Hossa. We're back again 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: with our new series The Network, a co production of 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Latino USA and NPR's Embedded Podcast. Now, if you haven't 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: listened to the first two episodes, you're definitely going to 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: want to do that before you keep listening. Remember you 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: can find the rest of this series here on our 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: feed or on the embedded feed. Now, just to recap, 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: we've been following this loosely connected set of people. We're 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: calling them the Network, right, These are people who help 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: women have abortions with pills without the help of a doctor. 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: The network started in Brazil and then grew and it 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: developed support systems in other countries in the region, like 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: Mexico and Argentina. And these were places where most women 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: didn't have a legal right to abortion. And now these days, 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: that is the situation that a lot of Americans find 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: themselves in since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: and ended the constitutional right to abortion in the United 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: States of America. So in this final episode of this series, 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: we're going to go deep into the United States. Here 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: are Latino USA producers Victori Estrada and Marta Martinez with 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: the last episode of the network. 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: For decades, while people all over the world were embracing 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: self managed abortion with MISA prostel, most Americans had never 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: even heard of it, and many of those who had 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: dismissed it for being a foreign concept. 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: It was always like, oh, well, yeah, but those are 27 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: other countries. 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: That doesn't apply here. 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: For being irrelevant because for decades Americans had a legal 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: right to abortion. 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 4: There was a lot of disbelief that something like this 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 4: was needed in the United States. A big part of 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: our narrative is that we have abortion access right. 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 5: Or they dismissed it for sounding dangerous. 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 6: I didn't think it was safe, you know, as doctors 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 6: were risk at first, and we like control. 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 5: This is doctor Maya Bass, a family doctor who also 38 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 5: provides abortions, either by performing the procedure or prescribing pills. 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 5: In the US, patients usually take two pills, misoprostol or miso, 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 5: the pill we've been hearing about, and another drug called 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 5: me for Pristo, which makes the process go a little smoother. 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 5: Early in her career, Maya learned a strict protocol around 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 5: the pills, with multiple appointments and tests designed to keep 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 5: patients safe. 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 6: Of course, I'm going to confirm exactly how big this 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 6: pregnancy is. Of course I'm going to confirm that my 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 6: patient has enough blood to handle this. And yeah, I 48 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 6: want to make sure that this worked for them. 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: T Maya and many doctors. When she first heard about 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: self managing, getting abortion pills without a prescription and taking 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: them without a doctor's oversight, she thought it introduced a 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: ton of risks. 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 6: Gosh, what if people are dropping like flies because they're 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 6: taking meds that are actually rat poison and hurting themselves. 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: She imagined people only turned to self managing as a 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: last resort. 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 6: If somebody really doesn't want a pregnancy and can't get 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 6: to a clinic, maybe this is an option. 59 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 5: But after Roe was overturned in twenty twenty two for 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 5: lots of women, the last resort became the only resort. 61 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 7: Please help me, How am I able to receive the 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 7: pill asap? 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 5: Please? 64 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: These are emails American women sent to activists who share 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: them with us. 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 8: I'm inquiring about abortion pills and how to get them 67 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 8: sent to me. 68 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 6: I'm in no way, shape or form financially ready to 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 6: have a child. 70 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 7: I'm desperate. 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: In recent years, American women have been reaching out to 72 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: the network by the hundreds of thousands. 73 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 5: The network in the US is trying to meet this demand, 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 5: but like we've seen in previous episodes, when the network 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 5: starts to grow, it's not clear what will happen next. 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: In Argentina, the network led to cultural and policy changes. 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: In Brazil, it based backlash and restrictions. So in this 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: episode we look at how the network in the US 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: has expanded in the last few years and what a 80 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: fact that's having on this country. 81 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 5: How will the network adapt in the face of mounting 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: abortion restrictions. From MPRS Embedded and Futuro Media's Latino USA, 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 5: This is the Network, a series about the DIY method 84 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 5: that took safe abortions out of the clinic. 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 7: And the women who made it happen. 86 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 5: I'm Victoria Estrada, I'm Marta Martinez and this is episode 87 00:04:52,040 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 5: three deja Vu. For decades in the US, the network 88 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 5: was almost entirely absent, but not completely. There were a 89 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 5: few places It began showing up in the mid nineties. 90 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 9: We just started hearing that patients were taking some pills. 91 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: This is doctor Mark Rosing and OBGYN who works at 92 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 5: a hospital in the bronx. Back then, he saw patients 93 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 5: from immigrant and Spanish speaking communities taking me, so. 94 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 9: In Spanish they called it the star pill because it's 95 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 9: a hexagonal pill. 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: According to Mark, the women he was seeing in his 97 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 5: hospital could have gone to a clinic, but he says 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 5: many didn't know that in New York insurance or medicaid 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 5: would cover it, so instead they relied on the network. 100 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 9: They would say I got it from my aunt, I 101 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 9: got it from my cousin, and I got it from 102 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 9: someone who knows amba. And then sometimes they would also 103 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 9: say that they got it in some of the bodegas 104 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 9: and the pharmacies around in Washington Heights. 105 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 5: For decades, the network stayed like this, small underground, mostly 106 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: tied to immigrant communities, but in the late twenty tens, 107 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 5: the demand for the network began to grow. American women 108 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 5: started to lose access to doctors who could give them 109 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 5: an abortion. During this time, states passed hundreds of new 110 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: restrictions that closed clinics and shortened the timeframe women had 111 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 5: to get an abortion. 112 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: And then in twenty twenty one, one state passed law 113 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: that foreshadowed where the entire country was heading. 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 5: The Texas Heartbeat Bill is now in effect. 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: A year before Robosa returned, Texas made national headlines for 116 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: this new law, Senate Bill eight or SB eight. 117 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 5: Senate Bill eight prohibits abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, 118 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 5: which can be as early as six. 119 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: Weeks, barely enough time to know you're pregnant. 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: The new anti abortion law in Texas has generated an 121 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: unprecedented level of fear and anxiety for both providers and 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: abortion seekers the state. 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: The demand for self managed abortion in Texas exploded overnight. 124 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 5: For US, it was de jabu, de jabu. Vera como. 125 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 5: It was like going back twenty years. 126 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: This is Vera Cruz, the founder of Las Liveres, who 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: we met earlier in the series. Veto heard about SPA 128 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: from friends in the US. It reminded her of the 129 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: severe restrictions Mexico had an abortion when she started the 130 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: group in two thousand. With two decades of experience supporting 131 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: people through self managed abortions, Veto knew how to help, 132 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: and she wanted to. She floated an idea to some 133 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: other collectives in the Mexican. 134 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 10: Networks, why don't we build a network to help people 135 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 10: in Texas? 136 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 5: Tod Himosi. We all said yes. 137 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: In January twenty twenty two, Veto helped organize a meeting 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: to strategize how to do this. They met in a 139 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: hotel conference room in Mexico. There were almost fifty activists 140 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: there from different Mexican accompaniment collectives, and a handful of 141 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: people video calling in from Texas. 142 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 10: Principal our main idea was that Mexican networks would train 143 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 10: networks in Texas and the Texas networks would. 144 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 7: Do the work. 145 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 5: But there was a problem Mido. 146 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 10: The people in Texas were really really scared. People were like, no, no, 147 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 10: that's illegal. They can put us in jail. 148 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: SB eight made it illegal to quote aid and a 149 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: bed a woman having an abortion, but the lot didn't 150 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: define what that meant, so it put pretty much everything 151 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: the network does into a legal gray area. 152 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 7: Veto says. 153 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: The activists on the US side of the call said 154 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: they weren't ready to get involved in the way she 155 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: was suggesting, so Veto when the Mexican collectives decided to 156 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: step in, they would directly provide women in Texas with 157 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: pills and help them self manage their abortions, and they 158 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: were going to be very public about it. Veto held 159 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: a press conference and posted Lasivre's phone number on social media. 160 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: She wasn't sure it would reach anyone, but that day 161 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: ten Americans contacted her. 162 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 10: So they only wrote the word help. 163 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 7: In response. 164 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: The Mexican collectives carried pill packages across the border and 165 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: mailed them to the people in the US who had 166 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: asked for them, free of charge, just like they'd been 167 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: doing in Mexico for more than two decades. And as 168 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: work got out, Americans from around the country started contacting VEO. 169 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: Some sent money, others asked how they could join the network. 170 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 10: Decades people wrote and said I want to help. 171 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 5: How do I help? 172 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 10: Mela Pasenes I spent every day having a lot of 173 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 10: video conferences, giving workshops, explaining to all the volunteers how 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 10: it was done, how it worked, why it was safe 175 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 10: for mandoles companies, training them to do a companiamento. 176 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: Accompaniment being there during the whole abortion process, regardless of 177 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: the legal risks. 178 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 10: Yeahtoria, and from those people, we formed a lot of 179 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 10: groups throughout the US. 180 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 5: Self managed abortion wasn't only getting support from across the border. 181 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 5: There were other notes simultaneously developing around the US. 182 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: This is new abortion pills by mail is really really new. 183 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: In the United States. 184 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 5: This is Elisa Wells, one of the founders of an 185 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 5: organization called plan C, which focuses on getting people bills 186 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 5: without having to go to a clinic in person. 187 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 4: A lot of people still don't even know about it, 188 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 4: and when they find out about it, they think, whoa 189 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: you know that is? That's insane. 190 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 5: Plancy's website links people to a variety of places where 191 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 5: they can order abortion pills online, in many cases both 192 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 5: MIFA pristone and Misoprosto. The website lists international clinics and 193 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 5: pharmacies abroad that sell the pills, and also US based 194 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: groups that mail free pills to people living in states 195 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 5: with abortion restrictions. Plan C tests the pills from all 196 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 5: these sources to make sure they're real. 197 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: These are viable ways for people to access pills, especially 198 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 4: if they live in a place where there are so 199 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 4: many restrictions that they could be forced to carry a 200 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 4: pregnancy to term. 201 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 5: Other groups in the network focused on raising awareness about 202 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: self managing with pills. They put up billboards through parties, 203 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 5: slapstickers advertising abortion pills on bathroom doors, and they also 204 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 5: pulled publicity stunts. 205 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 11: Jack, So I want to start with you, you seem 206 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 11: to be promoting abortion pills. 207 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 5: Like activists Jex Blackmore. They're part of the organization Shout 208 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 5: Your Abortion. In twenty twenty two, they went live on 209 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 5: a Detroit Fox affiliate to talk about the pills and 210 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 5: do an impromptu demonstration. 211 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 12: Charlie, I just really I want to show you how 212 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 12: easy it is and save if it is by taking 213 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 12: it myself. 214 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 11: You're taking it, are you are? 215 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 13: You're not pregnant? 216 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 5: Are you? 217 00:12:46,080 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 12: I would say that this is going to end a pregnancy? 218 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 5: And then some groups focused on providing support. Activists answer 219 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 5: questions on Reddit and US based hotlines, including a hotline 220 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 5: run by doctors like Maya Bass, the doctor we heard 221 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 5: from earlier. 222 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 6: I was taught that you need to have an ultrasound, 223 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 6: and you need to have this, and you need to 224 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 6: have all this. 225 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 5: So like I didn't think it was safe. She thought 226 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 5: this until she read research to the contrary, research that 227 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 5: showed women around the world were taking MISA on their 228 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: own and doing it safely. 229 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 6: Maya was shocked, like wait, what, Like seriously, I never 230 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 6: knew about any of this. 231 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 5: Studies Maya read showed that the protocol she used, the 232 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 5: multiple appointments, the ultrasound wasn't always needed, and she felt. 233 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 6: That realizing that I was unnecessarily putting people through hoops 234 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 6: that's hard. And then I felt also excited slash maybe 235 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 6: release like this means that I can be less scared 236 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 6: for people who are doing this. 237 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: After Maya's realization, she wanted to offer women support. 238 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 6: So it really became like, Okay, how can I help? 239 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 6: Right at that point, it's like what can we do next? 240 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 5: She decided to become part of the network by volunteering 241 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: for the support hotline set up by doctors. It's called 242 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: the Miscarriage and Abortion Hotline. Maya news self managed abortions 243 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 5: couldn't replace all abortions. Some people need medical intervention or 244 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 5: just preferred to go to the clinic. But to Maya, 245 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 5: the hotline and the immediate access it gave women to 246 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 5: doctors felt innovative. No longer wait times, no expensive or 247 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 5: unnecessary tests. 248 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 6: It feels like I'm just on the cutting edge of medicine. 249 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 6: I'm practicing evidence based medicine that is the leading edge 250 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 6: of what repairted of health care might look like. 251 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 5: In recent years, American doctors on the whole have gotten 252 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 5: more comfortable with self managed abortion The American College of 253 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 5: Obstetricians and Gynecologists has publicly supported it. In a statement, 254 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 5: they called on doctors to educate themselves and provide assistance 255 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: for patients who self manage. Other doctors have acted more directly, 256 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 5: prescribing pills from states with abortion protections to people in 257 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 5: states with restrictions. This wasn't the network of the nineties 258 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 5: anymore small and niche. In the span of just a 259 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,359 Speaker 5: few years, it had grown and become far more organized. 260 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: And then, on June twenty fourth, twenty twenty two. 261 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 6: The Supreme Court upended nearly a half century of legal precedent. 262 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: The day the network had been preparing for arrived. 263 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 6: It's a moment advocates for abortion rights have feared and 264 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 6: that opponents have been working toward for decades. 265 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: In the case Dobbs versus Jackson Women's Health Organization, the 266 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: Court overturned Roversus Wade. It left the legality of abortion 267 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: up to the states, thirteen of which immediately criminalized or 268 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: nearly banned abortion. On the day role was overturned, the 269 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: number of women reaching out to the network grew exponentially. 270 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: Our website traffic went from about three thy eight hundred 271 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: a day to three hundred and eighty two thousand. 272 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 13: And it didn't stop once Rowe fell. We reached about 273 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 13: two thousand people a day in our first month. 274 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 5: We have days now where the phone is kind of 275 00:16:59,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 5: ringing all day. 276 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: This waterfall of call coming in groups that male people 277 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: pills were inundated. 278 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 4: They got so many requests that it crashed their system. 279 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 4: It just shows you how big the demand is for 280 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: this service. 281 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: Over the past few years, the network's role has expanded 282 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: in the US, and self managed abortion has become more mainstream. 283 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: Cosmopolitan magazine even published a handful of articles about self 284 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: managed abortion, including a complete how to guide. 285 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 7: But it's not just. 286 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: Women who want abortions who are paying attention. 287 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: We've certainly been called drug dealers. We've been called murderers, abortionists, 288 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 4: you name it. 289 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 2: The anti abortion movement is too. 290 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 11: People who are working in their communities to help other 291 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 11: people access abortions. They are increasingly coming under the crosshairs. 292 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 7: That's after the break. 293 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 5: The legal landscape around abortion has been constantly shifting since 294 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 5: Rowe was overturned, with dozens of new state laws restricting 295 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 5: abortion going into effect. It can be hard to keep 296 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 5: track and for people seeking abortions. All the changes have 297 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 5: created a lot of uncertainty, confusion, and fear. 298 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 8: People are just absolutely terrified. They are experiencing spiraling anxiety. 299 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: This is Elizabeth Lying, a lawyer at ifwen how, a 300 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 5: reproductive justice organization. She helps run their legal helpline. She 301 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 5: says they've been getting a lot of calls in the 302 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 5: past few years with people asking questions about the safety 303 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 5: of self managing their abortion or helping someone else. Not 304 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 5: medical safety, but legal safety. If they do it, will 305 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 5: they end up in jail? 306 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 8: Is my Internet history being watched? Is my mail going 307 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 8: to be searched? A lot of what of this happens? 308 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 8: What if this happens? What if this happens? 309 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 5: She says. The fear has made some people too scared 310 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: to act. 311 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 8: The chilling effect makes people afraid to even ask the 312 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 8: question of what are my options because they are worried 313 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 8: that if I ask the question of what are my options, 314 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 8: that is now somehow going to get me into legal trouble. 315 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 5: The people who call into the legal helpline are not 316 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 5: being paranoid. Seeking an abortion can put you at legal risk. 317 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 5: It didn't used to be this way. Historically, abortion seekers 318 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: have not been the target of restrictions doctors have and 319 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 5: they still are. Some state attorneys general have sued the 320 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 5: doctors who are doing the work we mentioned earlier mailing 321 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 5: pills from states with abortion protections to people in states 322 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 5: with restrictions. 323 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: But a self managed abortion with pills has taken off, 324 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: abortion opponents have broaden their strategy. 325 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 11: They have realized that banning abortions after sixpeaks of pregnancy 326 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 11: is not sufficient to stop people from ending unwanted pregnancies. 327 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: Parad Estello is a lawyer and colleague of elizabeths at 328 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: if When how She's watched how abortion opponents have begun 329 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: to target women the network and its method self managing 330 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: with pills. But bringing charges against women at least has 331 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: been challenging because for the most part, there aren't specific 332 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: laws that criminalize ending your own pregnancy. With the exception 333 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: of Nevada, it is not illegal for a person to 334 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: self manage their abortion. So prosecutors are getting creative. They're 335 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: using other laws to charge women. 336 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 11: Laws that prohibit concealing a birth that were intended to 337 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 11: punish people for hiding out of wedlock births, laws against 338 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 11: abuse of a corpse, which are really about desecration of 339 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 11: human remains and brave robbing. 340 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: And on the most extreme end of the spectrum in. 341 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 5: Some seats, we're talking about homicide charges. 342 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: That happened to a woman in Texas after the state 343 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: passed its six week abortion ban. She was arrested for 344 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: murder after taking abortion pills. 345 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 13: Charged with murder because of a quote self induced abortion. 346 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: She's been arrested and will be arranged Wednesday. 347 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: Abortion opponents are also going after the people women are 348 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: turning two for support, people who. 349 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 11: Are working in their communities to help other people access abortions. 350 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 11: They are increasingly coming under the crosshairs. 351 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: In some cases, mothers who've helped their daughters self managed 352 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: have been arrested. Cases like these have made news in 353 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: Louisiana and Nebraska. 354 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 14: A teenage girl and her mom in Nebraska are facing 355 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 14: criminal charges following the teen's abortion. Alice got their Facebook 356 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 14: messages about it through a search warrant. 357 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 5: The pills themselves have also become a political target. For example, 358 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: Robert F. Kennedy Junior brought them up at his confirmation 359 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 5: hearing to become US Secretary of Health and Human Services. 360 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 15: President Trump has made it clear to me that he 361 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 15: wants me to look at safety issues. 362 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 5: He recently ordered the Food and Drug Administration to review 363 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: federal regulations for one of the abortion pills, mifa priston. 364 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 5: He referred to a paper from a conservative think tank 365 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 5: that questioned the safety of mifa pristone and called for 366 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 5: more restrictions on the drug, but it wasn't peer reviewed, 367 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: and medical experts have criticized it for flaws in its analysis. 368 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 5: More than one hundred peer reviewed studies have found the 369 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 5: use of abortion pills to be safe. On the state level, 370 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 5: some laws find people thousands of dollars for giving out 371 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 5: pills if they are not licensed to provide abortions. A 372 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 5: few make it a crime with the possibility of jail time. 373 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 5: So far, only a few women have gone to jail 374 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 5: for having abortions or supporting others through it. But Pharah 375 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 5: said that even for people who don't go to jail, 376 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 5: there are still lasting effects. 377 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 11: That person's name comes up again in Google searches, and 378 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 11: that creates this indelible, inescapable record. I've had former clients 379 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 11: who have been unable to get work. I've had clients 380 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 11: had to change their names because of the harassment they 381 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 11: faced in their Communities. 382 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 5: Far's organization if when How has been keeping track of 383 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 5: the ways people get caught up in the legal system. 384 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: About half of all criminal cases for self managing start 385 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 5: in a medical setting. According to the organization's data, the 386 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 5: vast majority of self managed abortions with bills do not 387 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 5: result in any complications, but if a woman feels like 388 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: something might be wrong and goes to the hospital, she 389 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 5: increases her chances of coming into contact with law enforcement. 390 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 11: Hospital personnel, whether that was nurses, doctors, social workers reported 391 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 11: them to law enforcement because they were suspicious of them. 392 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 11: Once it happens, it is like a train going down 393 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 11: a track. 394 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 5: If healthcare workers think someone may have committed a crime, 395 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 5: they're allowed to share information with the police that would 396 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 5: otherwise be private. As we've said, except in Nevada, self 397 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 5: managing is not a crime, so there's no reason for 398 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 5: doctors and nurses to call the police, but sometimes they do. 399 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: Anyway, FARA has noticed that some people are more likely 400 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: than others to end up in legal trouble. 401 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 11: In the cases that we've worked on, it is mostly 402 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 11: people who are trying to figure things out on their own. 403 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 11: It has never been either somebody who was supported by 404 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 11: an accompaniment network or somebody who was involved with an 405 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 11: accompaniment network. 406 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: The network has developed strategies to try to protect women 407 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: who are having abortions. We spoke to a woman named 408 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: Elle who does this work. She's an abortion to that's 409 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: what many Americans who do accompaniamento call themselves. We're not 410 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: using Elle's full name because she fears potential violence against her. 411 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: We're also using a voice actor. From the moment that 412 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: women reach out, Elle coaches them on how to keep 413 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: their communications secure. If they contact her on Gmail, she'll 414 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: tell them. 415 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 13: This is not safe for you or us, and I 416 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 13: can't interact with you until you download an encrypted app. 417 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: Once they're in touch, Elle explains that the pills are safe, 418 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: but the side effects like vomiting and heavy bleeding can 419 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: be alarming. She walks them through how to help prepare 420 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: so they don't seek medical help unnecessarily. 421 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 13: You should have plenty and plenty and plenty of maxi pads. 422 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 13: You should have your IBET profile, and you should have 423 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 13: plenty of fluids. 424 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: Elle also advises women on how to take the pills. 425 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: Elle tells them to not insert them me so vaginally 426 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: where it can leave a residue, but to dissolve it 427 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: in their cheeks or under the tongue. That way, if 428 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: they go to the hospital, there's no evidence they've done 429 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: something to cause an abortion. 430 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 13: The symptoms of an incomplete abortion and the symptoms of 431 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 13: a miscarriage are igentical. They can't tell. 432 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: Once the abortion starts. Elle checks in often, and if 433 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: a woman needs or wants to see a doctor, El 434 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: tells them to call the miscarriage an abortion hotline, the 435 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: one runs specifically by doctors, or she points them towards 436 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: doctor's offices that the network trusts. 437 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 13: In some places, we have friendlies, you know, we have 438 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 13: clinics where we know we can safely send someone if. 439 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: They need to get care outside the network's connections. LL 440 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: runs through what to say to medical staff. 441 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 13: We role play what would you say if they're said, 442 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 13: what's going on? What did you do? What did you take? 443 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 16: Well? 444 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 13: What's going on is I don't know. I think I 445 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 13: might be having a miscarriage. I started bleeding all of 446 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 13: a sudden. 447 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: The network is also taking measures to protect itself when 448 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 5: speaking in public. Volunteers have learned how to use language 449 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 5: that isn't incriminating. They talk in a code of hypotheticals 450 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 5: even in social media videos. 451 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 7: I figured I. 452 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 11: Would let you know what I would do if I 453 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 11: were to find out I was pregnant and I wanted 454 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 11: to have an abortion. 455 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: Now, please note this is not medical advice whatsoever or 456 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: at all, just one person sharing resources with another. 457 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 8: I would take four of the mesa prostel. 458 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 16: Have you ever seen a more iconic pill. 459 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 5: So far, the growing legal restrictions have not stopped the 460 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 5: network in the US from helping women self manage their abortions. 461 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 5: But there's another challenge. The network is struggling with a 462 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 5: much broader invisible force. That's after the break. 463 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: The network is global, stretching all around the world, but 464 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: in each place it shows up it's different. It adapts 465 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: to the specific culture it lands in and faces specific barriers. 466 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 5: In the US, one of the largest barriers is awareness. 467 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 5: For so long, access to abortion in the States was 468 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 5: centered around clinics. As a result, many Americans don't know 469 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 5: there's a way to have a safe abortion without a 470 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: doctor's help. 471 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: Research published in twenty twenty four found that most Americans 472 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: who have attempted to self manage their abortion in the 473 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: past few years have done dangerous things like kid themselves 474 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: in the stomach or drink alcohol. Only about a quarter 475 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: of the women in the study use pills. 476 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 5: When Americans do find the network, they're very American about 477 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 5: the way they interact with it. They treat it like 478 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 5: a service. Veto, who studied Las Libts in Mexico, noticed 479 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 5: this as she began supporting women in the States. 480 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 10: I would take some time to reply to them and 481 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 10: it was like, hey, answer me. I wrote to you 482 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 10: five minutes ago, and it was. 483 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 15: Like hey wait. 484 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 8: No. 485 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: Verto explained that Last Divides was not a service or 486 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: a business. It was just a bunch of volunteers sharing 487 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: pills and offering support. 488 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 16: The bio basencia, the bo respect. 489 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 10: So I'm going to ask for your patients and I'm 490 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 10: going to ask for your respect. And people were like, 491 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 10: oh sorry, I'm just very nervous. 492 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: And just like a purchase. After women in the US 493 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: got what they needed, that was it. 494 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 15: It's very American in some ways to say, oh, look 495 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 15: there's a pill, let me get the pill. 496 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 5: One sociologists. We spoke to Naomi Brain, who studied the 497 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 5: self managed abortion movement across the world. She's noticed that 498 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 5: Americans generally think that the pills alone can overcome abortion restrictions, 499 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 5: but Naomi wants them to think bigger. 500 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 15: This pill only comes to life in some way within 501 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 15: a network. It only comes to life in the presence 502 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 15: of solidarity. Otherwise you're alone with cramps in a bathroom 503 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 15: and nobody knows, and that's really not a very liberatory experience. 504 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 5: L the abortion Doula is a bit more pragmatic. She 505 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 5: thinks the pills in and of themselves are powerful, but 506 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 5: like Naomi, she wants Americans to focus more on supporting 507 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: each other. 508 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 13: I wish there were more We need more people. 509 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 5: But she doesn't see that happening anytime soon. 510 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 13: I think that people are really heads down, trying to 511 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 13: survive a lot, and not necessarily thinking about linging arms 512 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 13: and marching forward in solidarity. Whereas in Mexico, I have 513 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 13: the sense that the circle keeps growing. The people who've 514 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 13: been helped directly turn around and help others. 515 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: But in our reporting, we have seen the circle widening 516 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: in the US in ways that remind us a lot 517 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: of how the network took shape decades ago. In Latin America, 518 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: we heard stories of older sisters who had self managed 519 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: before helping their little sister through it. People getting pills 520 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: and advice from their hairdresser, and several examples of people 521 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: who had been supported by dulas getting trained to become 522 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: dullahs themselves. 523 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 16: Yeah, I just wanted to be a part of it too. 524 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 16: You know, this is H. 525 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: We're using her initial because she fears harassment for what 526 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: she did. In twenty nineteen, H, a mom of four kids, 527 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: decided she wanted an abortion. She could have gone to clinic, 528 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: but she'd heard about protesters lining the sidewalks with bullhorns 529 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: and signs. She didn't think she could handle walking through 530 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: all of that. 531 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 16: I didn't feel shame, but I felt like I could 532 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 16: have been persuaded to be shamed of what I was 533 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 16: about to do. 534 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: H worked in the reproductive health space and a friend 535 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: in the same field told her about the network. ACH's 536 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: friend was part of it and said she could get 537 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: H pills for free. H was pretty surprised something like 538 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: it existed, with aliases and everything. 539 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 16: Like, Oh, there's a whole group of you, and you're 540 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 16: all like underground and secret squirrel and using different names 541 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 16: and all this stuff. It was just mind blowing. 542 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 5: Her friend, who's an abortion doula, offered to support H 543 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 5: through a self managed abortion. H hadn't realized it was 544 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 5: possible to do it this way, but she was. 545 00:32:54,320 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 16: In I wanted some autonomy and control over the situation. 546 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 5: Her abortion. Doulah friend helped think through where she wanted 547 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 5: to have her abortion and what she needed to be comfortable. 548 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 5: When the day came, that friend, along with another Dulah friend, 549 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 5: and H gathered in a hotel room with plenty of 550 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 5: comfort food. H started by lighting a kendle and taking 551 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 5: time to reflect. 552 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 16: I wrote out some negative feelings or anxieties that I 553 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 16: was having, and I ripped them up and we threw 554 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 16: them away as like a released ceremony. 555 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 5: And then she took the bills. When she started bleeding 556 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 5: and cramping badly, the women accompanying H reassured her. 557 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 16: Like is this normal? Is this okay? 558 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 8: You know? 559 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 16: And they're like yes, yes, yes. 560 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 5: To help her manage the pain, H's friend prepared the 561 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 5: bath for her and four cups of hot water down 562 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 5: her back. They stayed with her all night through the 563 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 5: next morning. 564 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: When it was finished, H says she felt relieved, a 565 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: feeling that stayed with her, and she also felt grateful 566 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: to have had the experience outside of a clinic. 567 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 16: I just wish that there was more of a focus 568 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 16: on creating spaces for people that are going through this experience. 569 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 16: That's my desire is that everybody gets to experience being 570 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 16: supported through their abortion and that it's not just the 571 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 16: sterile thing that you have to go through. 572 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 2: After her abortion, H wanted to create those spaces for others, 573 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 2: and so she trained to become an abortion dueler. She 574 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: remembers supporting one woman as she managed her abortion. 575 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 7: At home. 576 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: They were eating food and watching an episode of the 577 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: sitcom mod where the main character had an abortion. Worlded, 578 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 2: don't pat me there, that's what started this whole thing. 579 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 16: We were just joking and laughing, and then her cramping 580 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 16: got a little bit harder. 581 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: When the woman started cramping, H told her to get 582 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: into a hot bath to help manage the pain, just 583 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: as their Jula friends told her to do during her 584 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: own abortion. 585 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 16: She got out of the tub eventually and walked over 586 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 16: to go open the sliding glass door and turned around, 587 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 16: and the pregnancy expelled as she was like taking the step, 588 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 16: and she realized what happened and instantly dropped to her knees. 589 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: H says the moment suddenly became still and quiet, and 590 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: then the woman went out onto her deck where she 591 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: had plants. 592 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 7: She was crying. 593 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 16: She buried it in a pot of wildflowers that her 594 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 16: other children had potted, and then we tucked her into bed, 595 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 16: like right before her husband brought her children home. 596 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 5: When age got involved with the network, she didn't know 597 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: the history she was stepping into, how Brazilian women discovered 598 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 5: me so how Latin American activists built entire communities to 599 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 5: support women using this bill. She didn't realize that her 600 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 5: experience was part of such a large scale shift. The 601 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 5: pills and the communities growing around them are already changing 602 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: how people have abortions across the world. 603 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, the World Health Organization published guidelines 604 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: for self managed abortion that said it's safe and effective 605 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: in the first trimester. In our reporting, we found that 606 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: parts of the network safely support people later. 607 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 7: Into their pregnancies. 608 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: The guidelines even mentioned accompaniment and say that when men 609 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: who self manage benefit from access to support, which doesn't 610 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: necessarily have to come from a doctor. 611 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 5: In places with abortion restrictions, like the country where we 612 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 5: started the series, Brazil, self managed abortion may be the 613 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 5: only option for most people who want to end their pregnancies. 614 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 5: But the who encouraged doctors to not look at self 615 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 5: managed abortion as just a last resort but a quote 616 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 5: potentially empowering and active extension of the health system. Plenty 617 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 5: of women already see self managed abortion this way, Like 618 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 5: in Argentina, the year after abortion became legal, there thousands 619 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 5: of people reached out to the accompaniment collective we mentioned 620 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 5: in the last episode, the Socoristas. More than three quarters 621 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 5: of those people chose to self manage with the Socorista 622 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 5: support instead of going to the public health system. So 623 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 5: the network has totally changed what abortion looks like in Argentina. 624 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 2: Will the network do the same for the US too? 625 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 3: There's no putting that Genie back in the bottle. 626 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: This is the red wine. She's American, but for thirty 627 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 2: years she worked for Planned Parented Global in Latin America. 628 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 2: She watched as the pill and the network swept across 629 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: the continent, and now she's seen signs that something similar 630 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 2: is happening in the US. 631 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 3: That wave is coming. 632 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 16: It's here. 633 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 17: It's like crashing over the shores of the United States, 634 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 17: and it is going to change entirely the landscape of abortion, 635 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 17: just like it did globally. 636 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 5: The entire ecosystem around abortion pills. In the US, activists, doulas, 637 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 5: and doctors has contributed to a surprising statistic. Since Roe fell, 638 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 5: Americans are having more abortions, even in states with bands. 639 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 3: The irony of this post Dobbs World is that if 640 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 3: it goes the way that I think it will, which 641 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 3: is what I saw in Latin America, in some ways, 642 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 3: abortion ironically will become more accessible but less legal. 643 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 2: In the minds of many Americans, access and legality are 644 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 2: inextricably linked, but these two things are becoming untethered because 645 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 2: of abortion pills and because of the network. 646 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 5: In the years to come, there's a question both abortion 647 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 5: rights supporters and opponents will be asking themselves. The government 648 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 5: can make abortion illegal, but can it end safe abortion 649 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,959 Speaker 5: as long as the network is around. 650 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: This was the final episode of the network. 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