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Speaker 1: shot dead. What happened? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? What

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Let's kick it off, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: take a listen. What do you remember of May twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: She and I were cooking breakfast that morning, joking, carrying on.

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Speaker 1: panel and Bloy, we need a panel on this one.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Nurmi is with me, renowned trial lawyer who represented

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Speaker 1: Jodi Arius at trial, author of Trapped with miss Arius

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold, well known psychiatrists joining us

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Speaker 1: Erie County. Emmy's office. That's Buffalo. George skiro DNA technical leader,

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Speaker 1: lab director at Scales Biological Laboratory, Inc. Right now to

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Speaker 1: want to start at the beginning, when Marlene Warren goes

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Speaker 1: Marlene Warren, she was eating breakfast with her son and

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Speaker 1: While she lives in the loose car. She ask officers questions,

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Speaker 1: why are you arresting me? Are you arresting my husband?

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Speaker 1: Where are you taking me? Are you taking my husband

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Speaker 1: somewhere too? Once police get her into an interrogation room

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Speaker 1: them that she doesn't want to answer any more questions,

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Speaker 1: and she puts her head down. Sheila Keene is charged

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Speaker 1: with first degree murder and extradited to Palm Beach County.

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Speaker 1: This is what we know. According to the detectives on

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Speaker 1: the case. They say DNA advances since the time of

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Speaker 1: Marlene's murder, combined with other evidence, have made this case

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Speaker 1: viable at trial. To George Skiro, special guests are joining

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Speaker 1: us at DNA expert Lab director at the Scales Biological Lab, Inc.

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Speaker 1: George Skiro, what do they mean by advancements in DNA technology, Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of advancements in the last several

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Speaker 1: years as far as DNA and nalysisco was. However, in

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Speaker 1: this case, mitochondrial DNA analysis is for a forensic cases,

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Speaker 1: has probably been around since the mid nineties, So unless

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Speaker 1: they use some of the newer genetic genealogy technologies in

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Speaker 1: this case, it seems like it's pretty much standard mitochondrial DNA.

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Speaker 1: And what we're learning is that the killer clown investigators

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Speaker 1: use DNA from hair samples to make a cold case arrest.

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Speaker 1: Because at one moment, the alleged killer, the mistress, Sheila

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Speaker 1: Keane Warren, is on her way to visitor a mom

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Speaker 1: and Vermont. The next minute she has been handcuffed and

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Speaker 1: plays in the back of a Virginia Sheriff's cruiser. She's saying,

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Speaker 1: where am I going? Why am I under arrest? She's

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Speaker 1: she's told she's under arrest because of a murder, she

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Speaker 1: further questions. Now, this is what we know DNA based

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Speaker 1: on hair samples. Again to George Skiro, the lab director

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Speaker 1: Skills Biological Labs, Inc. Try to explain that to me

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Speaker 1: and regular people talk when we say hair samples have

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Speaker 1: managed to solve a twenty seven year old cold case

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Speaker 1: murder by a killer clown of all things, what are

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Speaker 1: they saying? Well, and see what they're saying is that

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Speaker 1: this mitochondrial DNA that was found in the hair samples

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Speaker 1: in the vehicle matched the mitochondrial DNA profile of Sheila

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Speaker 1: Key Warrens. And this is not like the normal type

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Speaker 1: isn't as specific because it's passed along maternal lines within

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Speaker 1: the family. We also know now that the clown was

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Speaker 1: absolutely wearing gloves, a bulb nose, and a painted smile

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Speaker 1: over a white face. We also know that a pistol

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Speaker 1: was the murder weapon. I don't know about you guys,

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Speaker 1: but if I had a gun, I don't think I

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Speaker 1: would misplace it. The only person I've ever heard of misplacing,

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Speaker 1: not that it was stolen, but misplaced a gun was

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Speaker 1: Robert Blake, who was acquitted by a jury in the

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Speaker 1: murder of his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley. Well, he killed her,

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Speaker 1: just I hope the jury here's that. But I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of another case where a weapon was misplaced. That's

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Speaker 1: what she says. We know detectives collected samples of Sheila

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Speaker 1: Keane's hair, vials of her blood, and a search warrant

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Speaker 1: because she was a suspect at the time. Now, when

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Speaker 1: her apartment was searched, Lee by page, what was found

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Speaker 1: in the apartment that can help me out on this

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Speaker 1: DNA comparison. So they found fibers that were red that

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Speaker 1: was consistent with the red of a wig of a

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Speaker 1: a court ordered search of her home. In the apartment,

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Speaker 1: there were fibers from a bright orange wig. Not the wig,

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Speaker 1: but fibers and clothing that police were checking from bloodstains.

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Speaker 1: Similar bright red orange fibers were found in the stolen

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Speaker 1: the saber in the reopened case. This may be the

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Speaker 1: key the FBI crime lab. That's where you come in,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortesi. The FBI crime Lab say matches were made

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Speaker 1: to fibers collected from the getaway car through a precise

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Speaker 1: DNA connection, that Sheila Keane is a possible source of

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Speaker 1: the hairs. What does that mean to you? That means

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Speaker 1: that they are connecting the car to the suspect and

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Speaker 1: the wig to the suspect. The It is one more

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Speaker 1: piece in a chain of evidence that more completely tells

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Speaker 1: a story that gives the prosecutors a little bit more

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Speaker 1: confidence to take to a grand jury and then subsequently

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Speaker 1: to a jury. Is it truly vi Page that almost

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Speaker 1: fifty four thousand dollars life insurance policy was paid to

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Speaker 1: Michael Warren at the death of his wife, and is

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Speaker 1: he also going to be indicted? That is true, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: that there was a life insurance about fifty grand that

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Speaker 1: was awarded to him after she was murdered, Nancy, But

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Speaker 1: so far he has not faced any charges in the

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Speaker 1: murder of his wife, Sheila Keane. We wait as Justice,

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Speaker 1: Unfoles delayed, yes denied No. Nancy Grace Crime Store signing

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye FRI