WEBVTT - Trump's Foreign Policy

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome to it could happen here. And what

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<v Speaker 2>it is today is me James and Mia Wong. Hi mere, hello, Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>What we're here to talk to you about today is

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<v Speaker 2>something else, which, despite my positive tone of voice, is

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<v Speaker 2>sad and depressing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just a lot of that, and like we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you to be too sad. It doesn't bear

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<v Speaker 2>moping around, you know, like we've got time to get

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<v Speaker 2>organized and that's what we should be doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And also like just get.

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<v Speaker 2>Out and go outside and see your friends and do

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<v Speaker 2>things that bring you joy. Like we'll work out how

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<v Speaker 2>to get through it. So you know, like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really easy. And I found myself doing this

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<v Speaker 2>stay at home and be sad, but don't Like I

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<v Speaker 2>went out with some friends for a hike on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel so much better. So I would advise

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<v Speaker 2>you to do that. Maybe you're listening on your hike.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be fun. Actually, I think if I was hiking,

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would skip this one and listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the birds.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, well, I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if you want the ideological framing event, the

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<v Speaker 4>ideological framing of it is that morale is a terade

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<v Speaker 4>a struggle, yes, and it is very easy to lose

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<v Speaker 4>if in morale is absolutely terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we got four years.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't be being moping around like we will get

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<v Speaker 2>through it.

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<v Speaker 3>We will find ways to make it better.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of the way we do that yet is

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<v Speaker 2>keeping amoral up and doing things that bring us joy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing that brings me joy is talking about roch Java,

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<v Speaker 2>the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about that today. So we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's foreign policy in his second term. So his

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<v Speaker 2>previous foreign policy was a pretty mixed bag, and he

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<v Speaker 2>bombed the shift out of the Islamic State, right cool

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<v Speaker 2>based he also bombed the shit out of thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>Syrian and Iraqi civilians.

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<v Speaker 3>Not so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, we should note, not so different from every other

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<v Speaker 2>president this century. Bombing civilians has been pretty much the

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<v Speaker 2>the through line of American foreign policy in that part

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<v Speaker 2>of the world for a very long time. In particular

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<v Speaker 2>in the Trump administration I'm want to talk about, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a single US strike cell called Talent Anvil. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they were mainly like CAG guys from what I read,

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<v Speaker 2>so Delta Force guys Army Special Forces guys who were

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<v Speaker 2>making these decisions. They hired office building in Syria, and

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<v Speaker 2>these guys were constantly looking at drone feeds and various

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<v Speaker 2>other information and then calling in strikes on various targets. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if they had the CAG guys in

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<v Speaker 2>the watching computers. I'm not entirely sure, and like, well

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have someone else who knows, But this strike,

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<v Speaker 2>Celle dropped more than one hundred and twenty thousand bombs

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<v Speaker 2>and Jesus Christ, yeah, yeah, the amount of ordinance we

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<v Speaker 2>dropped on Syria is insane. Its circumvented procedures are in

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<v Speaker 2>place to prevent Philian death. In order to do so,

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<v Speaker 2>they had embedded lawyers who were supposed to approve the strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>But these lawyers tried to raise the alarm that some

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<v Speaker 2>of these strikes were reckless. They weren't hitting things that

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<v Speaker 2>were actual targets, and they sort of ran into an

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<v Speaker 2>organizational brick wall. At some point, pilots even refused to

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<v Speaker 2>engage targets because they didn't think of Jesus, Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>is it's not usual.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like that'd be pretty fucked for a fighter pilot

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<v Speaker 4>to be like, no, I don't think I've ever heard

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<v Speaker 4>of that before.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So I found this out in uh well, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was the New York Times. New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good investigation which we linked in our sources.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's like a throwaway line, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear more about that. It could have been

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<v Speaker 2>a drone pilot too, which is slightly different. Gig, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you know, if you're sitting north of Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>they're flying a drone kind of kind of a different scene.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the battle to defeat the Islamic State, thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of innutescent people lost their lives as we reached the

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<v Speaker 2>end of that battle. Donald Trump, who's president at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>personally called urda one who's the president of circuit right.

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<v Speaker 2>In late twenty eighteen, Trump asked the third one, if

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<v Speaker 2>we withdraw our soldiers, can you.

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<v Speaker 3>Clean up isis? That's a quote?

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<v Speaker 2>According to an unnamed Turkish official interviewed by Reuters, at

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<v Speaker 2>one replied that Turkish forces were capable of a mission. Quote,

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<v Speaker 2>then you do it, Trump told him and us as

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<v Speaker 2>National Security Advisor John Bolton, who was also on the

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<v Speaker 2>call to quote start work for withdrawal of US troops

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<v Speaker 2>from Syria. What this resulted in was US troops pulling

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<v Speaker 2>out from some locations in Syria, right, local people throw

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<v Speaker 2>tomatoes at them. Even worse than the tomatoes were the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it gave NATO's second largest army, which is Turkey,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, free reign to attack the Autonomous Administration North

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<v Speaker 2>in Essyria, which it did in twenty eighteen it did

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<v Speaker 2>again at twenty nineteen. Those two operations to claim considerable

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<v Speaker 2>ground in Syria cost countless civilian lives. Continue to perpetrate

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<v Speaker 2>human rights abuses to rehabilitate people from ISIS and other

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<v Speaker 2>Jahadi groups as Turkish Free Syrian Army, and they kill

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<v Speaker 2>some people who were people I care about, and I

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<v Speaker 2>continue to care about the cause of Rajava or Autonomous

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<v Speaker 2>Administration in North New Syria very deeply, and and it

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<v Speaker 2>really fucking sucks to think about the potential of the

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<v Speaker 2>US abandoning those people again, not that Biden has done

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<v Speaker 2>very much. Yeah, now, I think this anecdote, right of

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<v Speaker 2>what Trump does with one tells us a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>his approach to foreign policy, which is he really sees

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<v Speaker 2>it as very transactional, which is no different from everything

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<v Speaker 2>else he does. I guess like he's a very transactional person,

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<v Speaker 2>and he seems really only to be concerned about what

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<v Speaker 2>he can get out of it. So like in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he wants to say he bought US troops

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<v Speaker 2>home from Syria, like he's anti war. This is one

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<v Speaker 2>of his things, he says now, right, but he's prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to also in the case of the bombing, Right, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not so concerned with civilian casualties as long as he

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<v Speaker 2>can claim that he was the one who defeated ISIS. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>abomber couldn't do it. He did it, and he did

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<v Speaker 2>it on a pile of civilian remains, and also using

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<v Speaker 2>chiefly the Syrian Democratic.

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<v Speaker 3>Forces, right, not US forces. There were US forces on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>They were engaged in combat, but in minuscule numbers compared

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<v Speaker 2>to SDF, who lost fifteen thousand of their children in

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<v Speaker 2>a battle against ISIS. I think Trump would be very

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<v Speaker 2>willing to admit that he's transactional, right, That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>his brand, is like America first and fuck everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think he'll probably be similar in this term. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he will act unilaterally, He'll pivot whenever the fuck, he

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<v Speaker 2>feels like it. He will continue with his affection for

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<v Speaker 2>strong men and dictators all around the world. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff has changed since Trump's first term, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's illustrative for us to think about how

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<v Speaker 2>he will engage with things that have changed.

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<v Speaker 3>So what has changed.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a much larger conflict between Russia and Ukraine now,

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<v Speaker 2>and that conflict has been seen massive and overt support

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<v Speaker 2>both from the USA and for the rest of NATO.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a revolution in Mema. I suppose he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I really doubt maybe some of the like weird

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<v Speaker 4>pro coup meaning from the right guard to him, Yeah, perhaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Or like, I mean, the parallels between the CO and

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<v Speaker 2>Memma and January sixth are pretty obvious, right, Okay, Like

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<v Speaker 2>give January sixth to the landing. It lived a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like that, except that it was a military party not

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<v Speaker 2>just a political party. The Islamic State doesn't exist as

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<v Speaker 2>a territory identity, but it very much does exist as

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<v Speaker 2>a terrorist group, which continues to and has actually increased

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<v Speaker 2>its activity this month, with sleeper cells, continued suicide bombings,

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<v Speaker 2>continued attacks, and the SDF continue with their anti Issis

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<v Speaker 2>operations without US support, those would be harder. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we have to ask, I guess on what Trump's going

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<v Speaker 2>to do with these things? And I want to look

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<v Speaker 2>at a few different issues and pick apart what Trump

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<v Speaker 2>said on his campaign website, pick apart what he said

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<v Speaker 2>on the campaign trail, and then look at who he's

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<v Speaker 2>appointed so far. We're recording this on Tuesday the twelfth,

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<v Speaker 2>So if someone gets appointed before you hear this, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why we've missed them out. So I guess to start

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump's foreign policy, we should talk about his number

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<v Speaker 2>one like peer competitor, which is China in his eyes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not a big China appreciator. So I looked at his

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<v Speaker 2>campaign website for this, which really has some just incredible

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<v Speaker 2>use of capital letters.

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<v Speaker 3>He just fucking does what he wants. It's wild to see.

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<v Speaker 2>So chiefly, one of the things that he's been on

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<v Speaker 2>about for a while now is tariffs on Chinese make goods. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>as means the foreign policy, Yeah, we just we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this last episode. Yeah, you will have heard about

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs at this point. Yeah, So, as we've previously mentioned, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's talked about the tariffs. These tariffsould cost a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money, and they would increase the cost of you

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<v Speaker 2>going shopping.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they would probably destroy vast whilst of the

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<v Speaker 4>global economy, yes, both the Chinese and the American economy, Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>sort of implode.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all these countries in Africa and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>me and La for instance, exports a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>rare earth metals to China, right, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>countries in Africa do too. Aside from the economic sort

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<v Speaker 2>of aggression, it stands on, Taiwan is weird, which is

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<v Speaker 2>normally where we would like expect to see the most

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<v Speaker 2>like physical friction between US and China. Right. Mike Pompeo

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<v Speaker 2>has pressed for the USA to formally recognize Taiwan before,

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<v Speaker 2>which would be a step, but you know that there'd

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<v Speaker 2>be a pretty big swing. Trump, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>seems to want Taiwan to pay the United States for

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<v Speaker 2>being into ally right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, then this is like one of his big sort

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<v Speaker 4>of foreign policy principles is like try to get people

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<v Speaker 4>to pay him for stuff, because that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 4>only way his brain works. But Rember, this was NATO

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, whereas this whole line on NATO that like

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<v Speaker 4>NATO should be like paying us because people like you're

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<v Speaker 4>not spaying enough on defense, so we're like paying all

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<v Speaker 4>the defense budgets. This is like one of his kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Yeah, it's been his like hobbyhole.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like floats around at his brain sort of colliding

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<v Speaker 4>with its walls.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, empty space. Yeah. Yeah, like a big bung ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Ironically, like in the time that Trump's been out of

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<v Speaker 2>of is Russian aggression has led native members to spend

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<v Speaker 2>more on defense, yeah, rather than Donald Trump lambasting them.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of his big things is that Taiwan should

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<v Speaker 2>pay the United States. But it would seem very unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>that he if he's not going to abandon Taiwan, I

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<v Speaker 2>think because it gives him a place to grandstand on China.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and also, like you know, I mean, one of

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<v Speaker 4>the things about Trump is that one of the best

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<v Speaker 4>ways to sort of influence him is just get a

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<v Speaker 4>world leader in a room with him alone. Yes, but unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>well fortunately for us, Trump does not speak Chines easy,

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<v Speaker 4>and she doesn't seem to like him very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yes, we won't be here. We won't be

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<v Speaker 2>joining the PRC anytime soon. China, along with Russia right

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<v Speaker 2>to countries we've spoken about. Most of both make big

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<v Speaker 2>plays in Africa. Russia has re branded what was Wagner

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<v Speaker 2>it's Africa Core, and they're sort of providing support to

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<v Speaker 2>regimes that lack en afflegitimacy to exist otherwise. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>are like classic mercenary shit, like it's your state illegitimate

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<v Speaker 2>and does it lack the capacity to do the violence

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to maintain itself. Don't worry hereris herism psychopaths

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<v Speaker 2>from Russia.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And there's just a lot of people, I think

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<v Speaker 4>because like a lot of these sort of governments will

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like do their like like put a red

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<v Speaker 4>beret on and start doing their anti imperialist cosplay. And

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<v Speaker 4>then you like read the like the fine print of

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<v Speaker 4>the contracts they've signed with like Africa Core, a thing

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<v Speaker 4>that like you expect to be spelled like Africa and

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<v Speaker 4>Core with a K like ko rps like and it's like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so like they've signed away a bunch of the country's

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<v Speaker 4>mineral rights, Like they've signed away a bunch of these

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<v Speaker 4>specific minds to these mercenary groups. It's like, oh okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so this is like also this is also just imperial

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<v Speaker 4>it's just new management.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's just different imperialism. And then China

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<v Speaker 2>has big plays in Africa too, right, Like I've personally

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<v Speaker 2>seen a lot of Chinese own minds in Africa, Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>roads in Africa. China does also like offer infrastructure. Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>has a kind of quid pro quo. It doesn't come

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<v Speaker 2>in like with the violence like Russia does. It comes

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<v Speaker 2>in with that will build your hospital if we can

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<v Speaker 2>have all your natural resources. US policy in Africa is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much to stop those two countries getting too much influence.

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<v Speaker 2>The Biden administration is as many liberals are right, there's

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<v Speaker 2>actually not that much difference between what Biden and Trump

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<v Speaker 2>will do in Africa. The difference is Biden is smart

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<v Speaker 2>enough not to say it. Trump's ability to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>useful in Africa is going to be masked by his

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<v Speaker 2>massive racism, Like when he says things like shithole countries.

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<v Speaker 2>It becomes a lot harder for the US to do

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<v Speaker 2>anything in Africa that isn't tinged by that, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make that sort of imperialist ambition more obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>US politicians rarely talk about they were any campaign or

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<v Speaker 2>what they were going to do in Africa. And so

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much the only things we're going to hear from

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, but Africa, I would imagine, are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be when he lets his racism out. Yeah, that will

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<v Speaker 2>have results for like US credibility. Also, my guess is

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<v Speaker 2>we see intensifications of sort of US drone strikes, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in the Horn, and we see like like all of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that Biden is doing, but worse and killing

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<v Speaker 2>even more people somehow. Yeah, I would imagine that we

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<v Speaker 2>will see these more aggressive throne strikes, especially against like

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<v Speaker 2>Islamist groups in Africa. The US has special Forces deployments

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<v Speaker 2>in a few places in Africa, which will probably maintain

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine, like, I don't think those are like

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<v Speaker 2>things that Trump would He wouldn't see any benefit from

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<v Speaker 2>stopping them, I guess, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>May not even know about them.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think we will see little change in Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>would be my guess.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my oldly worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I talk of mildly worse.

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<v Speaker 4>Mire.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that makes these podcasts mildly worse is our

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<v Speaker 2>obligation to pivot to advertisements, which we must do now.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a great one, holding out on you for

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<v Speaker 3>three years. You have a good ad pivots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there it is. That's what we've got for you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we're back. So I want to talk about Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>As you've heard in the Tariff's episode, right, he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to put tariffs on European goods. European Union is going

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<v Speaker 2>to slap tariffs right back on American goods. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really help anyone. It will make exporting from the USA

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<v Speaker 2>very very hard. One thing that the USA might stop

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<v Speaker 2>exporting is is weapons to Ukraine. It's a little unclear.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump he called Olenski the greatest salesman on earth, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was also claimed that he can personally end the

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<v Speaker 2>war in twenty four hours. I don't think that means

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<v Speaker 2>that he will be deploying himself to the down Bass

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<v Speaker 2>like a like a like a gun dam. But he

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<v Speaker 2>claims he can do this with his negotiating skills. This

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<v Speaker 2>seems unlikely. To put it mildly, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>it would be possible to end this war in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours if both sides declared peace right now, getting

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<v Speaker 2>communications to their frontline troops would be a challenge in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours in some places. Yeah, So the way

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<v Speaker 2>I interpret this and I may be wrong here is

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<v Speaker 2>that he is likely to leverage the support that the

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<v Speaker 2>United States gives to Ukraine in order to force Zelensky

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<v Speaker 2>into an unfavorable settlement, which would achieve his goal of

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<v Speaker 2>a being able to say he stopped giving American money

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<v Speaker 2>to Ukraine, which has been a big talking point for

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<v Speaker 2>the like every time you start with the western North

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina right up to the hurricane or these Republicans sort

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<v Speaker 2>of talking points were like, oh, well, all the money

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<v Speaker 2>is in Ukraine, so we can't have fucking MREs for

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<v Speaker 2>people in western North Carolina, Like FEMA has no money

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<v Speaker 2>because we sent Ukraine some memphors. This is very silly, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a zero sum game. It's not really a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable critique, but it's one that Trump has kind of

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<v Speaker 2>managed to stick in the culture was his base seems

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<v Speaker 2>to see the money going to Ukraine is directly coming

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<v Speaker 2>from things that would otherwise be going to them, which

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<v Speaker 2>he would benefit from it if he could bring this

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<v Speaker 2>war to a close, right j d Vance has mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>a demilitarized zone in between Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>And Ukraine, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's gonna minister the DMZ, Like yeah, like did

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<v Speaker 2>we really want this? Are we going to have troops

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<v Speaker 2>out like we do in South Korea for you know

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<v Speaker 2>when when was a career around the nineteen fifty seventy years, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that's really really what they want.

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<v Speaker 3>The think what DMC is. No one actually likes them. No,

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<v Speaker 3>this sucks, It sucks. Yeah, they're awful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a bit of land that you can yeat

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<v Speaker 2>weapons over each other, like especially in like modern warfare,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not that effective at stopping to be bull fighting. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But very funny that North's career will be two for

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<v Speaker 2>two on DMZs in wars it has been involved with

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<v Speaker 2>huge up for them. He essentially seems to be advocating

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<v Speaker 2>for exactly the peace settlement that Putin has proposed and

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<v Speaker 2>that has been rejected multiple times. Several sources I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that Trump has spoken to Putin quite a few

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<v Speaker 2>times since leaving office. This His plan for Ukraine certainly

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<v Speaker 2>seems closer to the Russian one than the Ukrainian one,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainian one being stop invading us and go home,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Russian one being, well, we'll just keep all

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff we've taken so far and then add a

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<v Speaker 2>buffer zone in between. And Ukraine can keep whatever's left

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<v Speaker 2>of its country.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>What's interesting to me is what other NATO members will

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<v Speaker 2>do in the event of the US reducing its AID.

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<v Speaker 2>I would suspect that they will try and step up

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<v Speaker 2>and meet that gap. It might also result in the

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<v Speaker 2>US put certain restrictions on its AID, right, how it

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<v Speaker 2>can be used, where it can be used crucially, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like Ukraine using things to attack in Russia proper.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't mind am using them to attack Russian forces,

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<v Speaker 2>but not within Russia. I did see a picture yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>of a I think it was three guys from Rogue

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's called, which is a unit within the

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<v Speaker 2>International Legion who had been killed within Russia. And they

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of like eighty fours and things like that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like US or anti tank weapons.

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<v Speaker 3>But the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't want Ukraine using the long range artillery and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>it's given it to yeat projectiles at Moscow. I can

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<v Speaker 2>see a situation where if the US draws down some

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<v Speaker 2>bit AID, European allies of Ukraine might not play some

0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.000
<v Speaker 2>of those restrictions on their AID, and that could lead

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<v Speaker 2>to some interesting complications for Russia. Right If Ukraine is

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<v Speaker 2>more effective, Like if they get more aid from Europe

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<v Speaker 2>and Europe doesn't place restrictions on the aid, they could

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<v Speaker 2>potentially strike Russia within Russia, which is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be good for Putin and it's probably not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be good for like bringing I mean, unless they can

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<v Speaker 2>deal some really crippling blows, it might not be good

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<v Speaker 2>for bringing the war to an end.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe it will.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they've they've done some pretty effective things with not

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<v Speaker 2>a huge amount so far.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, maybe get lucky on a strike on

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<v Speaker 4>the Kremlin or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, just the one like I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that would be their strategy if they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have they didn't have restrictions, would be to just keep

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<v Speaker 2>pounding places they think Putin might be.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the history of Russian warfare. Dumber things that

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<v Speaker 4>have happened and have lost Russia wars. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot dumber than that. So yeah, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>that Ukraine will be screwed if the US pulls out.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think it will be a lot harder for them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, if that's something, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of US sits still fighting in Ukraine. Would be pretty

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<v Speaker 4>devastating to abandon Ukraine. And I think also just from

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<v Speaker 4>the sort of stopping Russian aggression standpoint, it's much better

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<v Speaker 4>stop it here than somewhere else. But yeah, we will see.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess European countries are really ramping up their defense,

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<v Speaker 2>but they right now the US is like the heart

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<v Speaker 2>of the military industrial complex, and and Europe really can't

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with the US production. Of course, the US

0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>being the heart of the military industrial complex does mean

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of Trump donors will probably be able

0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.639
<v Speaker 2>to leave ridge of their donations to his campaign, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we might not see as much of a drawdown

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<v Speaker 2>of Bay to Ukraine as we're worrying about here. May

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<v Speaker 2>talking of launching things from a long distance at a

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<v Speaker 2>very small target, I would like to launch these advertisements

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<v Speaker 2>from iheartman the advertising department directly to your ears.

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<v Speaker 3>Heger. It's all so bad.

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<v Speaker 4>As we were recording this, it's come out that the

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<v Speaker 4>new Secretary of Defense is going to be Pete Hegseth,

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<v Speaker 4>who's like a Fox News guy who doesn't believe germs

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<v Speaker 4>are real.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this guy who has not washed his hands in

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. Great, I mean, at least he might die

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<v Speaker 2>of COVID. Yeah, I was going to say he made it. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry that that that hair is really something. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 3>not good at all. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait what when June fourteenth, twenty fifteen, hag Seith accidentally

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<v Speaker 4>hit a Westward juror.

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<v Speaker 3>With an act over a live cube Like, dad, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have that length pulled up. All right, this video

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<v Speaker 2>is unavailable. All right, No, we're finding this video that

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<v Speaker 2>nothing disappears from the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 5>No mis fucking dog my god, this is just clown shit, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to write.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, if you were hit in the dick and balls

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<v Speaker 2>by an axe thrown by Future Defense Secretary, please contact

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<v Speaker 2>cool Zone Media Atiheartmedia dot com. I hope the VA

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<v Speaker 2>is paying for this man's benefits.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen someone do, like

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<v Speaker 4>in the course of reporting for this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's amazing, like very funny. Again, please contact us.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're okay. Service related injury. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's peak. Hegseth right. Future sec Deef, also former reservist

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<v Speaker 2>who deployed to Guantanamo, was an induantry platoon leader at Guantanamo.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he also deployed to Afghanistan in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>and previously he'd also deployed to Iraq. He'd a voluntary

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<v Speaker 2>two voluntary deployments or was in two locations in IRAQII.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's hit the greatest hits of US foreign policy

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<v Speaker 2>in the last twenty years. I guess he's made his

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<v Speaker 2>career as a Fox News pandit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's just like a right wing ghoul. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in the last Trump administration when he was punditing,

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 2>he advised Trump had been considering pardoning several war criminals

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and did pardon several war criminals, right, and Hexceth was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the people who A he talked about on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News, Well he was advising Trump to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and b he was advising Trump to do its. Christ Yeah,

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.600
<v Speaker 2>you can read up about the Trump pardons of war criminals.

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<v Speaker 4>It's bad enough that a guy was getting turned in

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<v Speaker 4>by his own Special Forces unit. Like do you know

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<v Speaker 4>how bad, how like fucking hideous? The shit you have

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<v Speaker 4>to do is for like for like your own guys

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<v Speaker 4>in a special Forces unit to be like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 4>we have to stop this guy. Yeah, Like it's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean if you should look up Clinton Rance's

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<v Speaker 2>stuff as well, Like, yeah, LOI NC if you're interested

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<v Speaker 2>in this stuff. He was convicted I think of two

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<v Speaker 2>murder accounts for ordering his soldiers to fire and unarmed people.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, the other one was a Green Beret

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<v Speaker 2>named Matt Altsin who was also charged in the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of someone in Afghanistan, someone who had been making I DS.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, I think we can see where this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is going. We've just found this out as well as

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<v Speaker 2>we're recording for context. Like that's quite troubling.

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<v Speaker 5>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>His other two foreign policy appointments that I've seen so

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<v Speaker 2>far have been less so.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, i'd say less so.

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<v Speaker 2>Marco Rubio is a turd, right, Like, like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we all know that we I share very little with

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<v Speaker 2>Marco Rubio.

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<v Speaker 3>On Turkey and Rajaba. He is good.

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<v Speaker 2>He is not a fan of Verta one. He's in

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<v Speaker 2>contact with googlanists. He kind of puts Turkey in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the bricks box is a good yeah, which which

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<v Speaker 2>leads us to the very funny idea of Marco Rubio

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<v Speaker 2>ordering a drone strike on airc Adams.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, well, here's the thing though Good's dead now,

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<v Speaker 4>so so like there's like a secession crisis of like

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<v Speaker 4>who's gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>The goodinist anti Pope Marky Rubio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that could be very good for Rajava at least

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<v Speaker 2>right the big concern among those of us who carry

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<v Speaker 2>deeply about Rajava has been that Trump will abandon them

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<v Speaker 2>as he did in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And so I guess we're looking for glimmers of hope.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Ruby a kind of oddly weirdly was

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<v Speaker 2>one compared to I was expecting more of the hegthf

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<v Speaker 2>like Fox News commentator type people in foreign policy positions

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<v Speaker 2>because Trump fundamentally doesn't care about foreign policy, and like

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<v Speaker 2>it's an area where he can kind of give something

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<v Speaker 2>to those kind of like insane far right commentator types.

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<v Speaker 2>He also did appoint Mark Waltz, I think could be Wols.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the first special Army special Forces guys

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<v Speaker 2>serving Congress, maybe the first as a national security advisor.

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<v Speaker 2>Walls as a member of the Kurdish Caucus in Congress. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>positive for a Java. Talking of Army special forces, there's

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<v Speaker 2>one more insane Trump foreign policy proposal that I want

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss and that is his desire to use the

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<v Speaker 2>United States Army in Mexico. I'm just going to read

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<v Speaker 2>from his campaign website here. President Trump will take down

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<v Speaker 2>the drug cartels just as he took down ISIS. He

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<v Speaker 2>will impose a total naval embargo on cartels, order the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Defense to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership

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<v Speaker 2>and operations, and designate cartels as foreign terrorist organizations and

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<v Speaker 2>choke off the access to the global financial system. President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump will get the full cooperation of neighboring governments to

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<v Speaker 2>dismantle the cartels or else expose every bribe and kickback

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<v Speaker 2>that allows these criminal networks to preserve their brutal rain.

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<v Speaker 2>He will ask Congress to ensure that drug smugglers and

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<v Speaker 2>traffickers can receive the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot there.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that Donald Trump helped defeat ISIS was exclusively

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<v Speaker 2>by bombing things and with some small contributions from US

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<v Speaker 2>ground troops. But we don't really have a partner force

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico like that, and I think, especially with the

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<v Speaker 2>new administration in Mexico, and especially with Trump proposing one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent tariffs on Mexican goods, we're unlikely to find one,

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<v Speaker 2>which leaves the very strange kind of prospect of US

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<v Speaker 2>troops carrying out like unapproved, undeconflicted hits on Mexican nationals

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>Which like its an act of war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you are invading Mexico, is what you're doing, I

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<v Speaker 2>actould point out. And the Bortac under Biden did shoot

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<v Speaker 2>one Mexican national this year who was he was holding

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<v Speaker 2>up migrants with the gun.

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<v Speaker 3>He was, he's rubbing with a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't into place where I've been dozens of times

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<v Speaker 2>where they shot him and they didn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>much fuffle about that. But that is not invading Mexico.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like if they're invading Mexico, like you know, as

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<v Speaker 4>as close as American Mexican sort of security cooperation has

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<v Speaker 4>been and as many people as that's killed from the

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<v Speaker 4>Mexican side, like.

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<v Speaker 3>That's oh boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it remains to be seen how much of

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<v Speaker 2>this actually happened. Right, Mexico has a new president, the

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<v Speaker 2>United States has a new president. They're not exactly politically

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<v Speaker 2>fellow travelers, I'll say.

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<v Speaker 4>That, but yeah, I mean I will say like Armlow

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<v Speaker 4>and Trump got along like decently well, yeah, largely off

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 4>of Omblos like anti immigrant policies, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if that's going to work with China.

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<v Speaker 2>Bomb like and like in the final year of Armlow

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<v Speaker 2>like they definitely they did a lot to help Biden

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<v Speaker 2>within effectively enforcing US border policy by deporting people's South.

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<v Speaker 2>People I spoke to in the Darien series have been

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<v Speaker 2>sent south again this week. But Biden's had actually some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty high profile cartel arrests right within Cineloa cartel. He's

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<v Speaker 2>destabilized that cartel, but those happened within the US. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't send teams into into Mexico. And the way that

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<v Speaker 2>the US has traditionally got hold of cartel leaders before

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<v Speaker 2>is him to be arrested in Mexico in cooperation with

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.959
<v Speaker 2>Mexican government forces, be they police or military, and then

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<v Speaker 2>extraducted them to the US trial. And that doesn't seem

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>to be what Trump is proposing. But again, like the

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Bomber rhetoric and the reality are sometimes very different.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have some vague memory that he, like last time,

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<v Speaker 4>he wanted to like send special forces guys to do this,

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<v Speaker 4>and his advisors were like, what the fuck are you

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<v Speaker 4>talking about? We can't send yeah, like people in New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, just to be real, those organizations have reached

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<v Speaker 2>inside the United States, and that would be an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>messy situation. Yeah, and like the way this would have

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<v Speaker 2>to be done, right, Like, I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 2>do this with drone strikes. That you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>this with boots on the ground. And that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be contrary to what he's promised to do, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not risk more US soldiers' lives. Who knows what this

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<v Speaker 2>will actually look like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my guess is you will find a way to

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<v Speaker 4>get the maxim umber civilians killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, yeah, we de would himself. Yeah, it's that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably would be the result of this, Yeah, exactly.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think as you sort of wear this down,

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<v Speaker 2>like civilian deaths are probably going to increase. Right, He's

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<v Speaker 2>never shown himself to be unduly concerned about those things.

0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't see that in the problem. The second thing

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<v Speaker 2>the US will lose is what Joseph Nay called soft power, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like the power to influence people without projecting force,

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>cultural power, cultural capitals.

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<v Speaker 3>Body you might have called.

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<v Speaker 2>It really getting heavy on the university shit at the

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<v Speaker 2>back half of this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>The US lost a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that in the first Trump term, right, and it

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<v Speaker 2>will lose more of it in the second Trump term.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of that is, you know, the US maybe shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be influencing, and the US has had some pretty malign

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<v Speaker 2>influence around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You can listen to a song called Washington Bullets to

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<v Speaker 3>learn more about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it will mean that, like there will be a

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<v Speaker 2>space for other bad actors, right, Russia, China. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Russia has not shown itself to be any more concerned

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<v Speaker 2>with human rights, and probably less so than than the

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>United States went in it. And it's time in Syria, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been an unmitigated disaster for the Syrian people. The

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Russian cooperation with your side regime. We do not need

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<v Speaker 2>more of that around the world. The WAGNSLA to Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>Core diplomas in Africa have been horrific in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>human rights, and this will open more spaces for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, it doesn't look great this secretive appointment.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll learn more about that in the coming days,

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<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't look great. There are some bright spots

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>for a Java. I guess there's some glimmers of hope there,

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>which is a nice thing. Trump's policy on Gaza fits

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<v Speaker 2>with this general model of like he wants to end conflicts,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way he sees of doing that is doing

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<v Speaker 2>away with any restraint in terms of civilian casualties. And

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 2>so the way that he went after isis was to

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<v Speaker 2>just say bomb them all. I can see him doing

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing in Gaza, right, just saying like he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to claim that he bought an end to the

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<v Speaker 2>war and he doesn't care how many bodies he's standing

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<v Speaker 2>on when he says that. Yeah, same thing in Lebanon, obviously. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these are not great things. These are things that we

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<v Speaker 2>will have to deal with for decades to come, whatever happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess the way that you can do something

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<v Speaker 2>here like why a little glimmer of hope. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>you can reach out to people all around the world

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<v Speaker 2>and let them know that like even if America's foreign

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<v Speaker 2>policy is shit, you're not. I have sat in Rojaba

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<v Speaker 2>and i have seen them taking the children to the hospitals,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've watched the US soldiers sit in their bases

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<v Speaker 2>and do nothing, and like it didn't help. Really I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to do very much. I couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>give blood, but I was able to be there with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe they're meant something, and like you can do

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<v Speaker 2>little things to show your solidarity around the world because

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<v Speaker 2>there won't be much of it coming from the government.

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