1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: We start off with Lane Kiffin leaving Old Miss for LSU. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's surprised at this, and he has 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: his reasons why, but he did want to stay on. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: And there's varying reports here, and I want to make 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: sure that we're being fair to both sides here. But 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, they're getting ready to prepare for the college 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: football playoffs, probably going to have a home game, and 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: he wanted to stay on, but he also wants to 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 2: take some of the coaching staff and reportedly wants to 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: poach some of the players. Now, the players, I understand 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: if they came to Old Miss for Lane Kiffin and 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: may want to play for him at LSU. As far 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: as these coaches go, they may want to go. Maybe 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: a few of them were on the private plane yesterday. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: Old Miss owes Lane kiffen gratitude for the wins, but 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: once he walks out the door, they don't know him 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: anymore than just that he did a great job there. 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody is denying, but he made this 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: a public mess, and that's the problem I had with this. 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: You were kind of toying with the situation. You were 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: toying with Old Miss, you were toying with these kids, 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: you were toying with your fan base. You know, you 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: could have waited. We could have waited till you know, 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: you beat Mississippi State and say, I'd love to coach 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: this team. But he's already said this team, these teams 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: that Old Miss can't win a national title because money 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: wasn't the issue. He said he spoke to God. Now 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if God is Nick Saban. Maybe he 31 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: did speak to God, but I was thinking maybe he 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: spoke to Nick Saban, and Saban said, yes, it's time 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: to take the next step, my son. You know, Laine 34 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: is going to chase the rest of his life. And 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: once again, I go back to that documentary, the many 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: lives of Blaine Kiffen and everything that I thought I 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: would like to rethink because it seemed like he had 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: found happiness. And but I don't know if he knows 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: what happiness is. He keeps moving, keeps moving, keeps smoving. 40 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: I don't begrudge anybody who wants to take another job 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: to make more money, whatever it is, but I want 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: you to be honest. I want you to be fair 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: to Old Miss. They did give you an opportunity here, 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: and now you want to take coaches with you. Hey, 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: but I want to stay and coach. Can I do that? 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: And then maybe privately I'll talk to some of these 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: players who might want to join me at LSU. No, leave, 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: you don't want to stay. You can't win a national championship. 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: You've said that you can at LSU. And look, my 50 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: college football source said last night, Lane will win at LSU. 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody has ever denied his coaching ability 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: and the talent in a three hour radius of bat 53 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: Rouge is probably unquestionably the most talented area, most fertile 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: college football area in America. He'll win, He'll win, and 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: then where does he go from there? Does he wait 56 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: till the Alabama job is open? I mean, we've seen 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: this before, so you can't sit there and go. You know, 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: he'll retire at LSU. He will not retire at LSU. 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: It wasn't money, So what was it to win a 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: national championship? Okay, we saw how that worked before this 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: with Brian Kelly. Now he'll work harder than Brian Kelly did. 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: But you know, I felt bad for Old Miss because 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: you're just waiting. And I think we all agreed when 64 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: we left on Wednesday he was going to take LSU, 65 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: So none of this is a surprise. I think how 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: it played out was the disappointing part of this. But 67 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: you go, that's your team now, You're not going to 68 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: coach this team, not anymore. We'll get to your phone 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: calls coming up, yes, Paulie. 70 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: I think one thing that stood out to me the 71 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: past month is Lane Kiffen was pursued like he hadn't 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: been pursued since like fifteen years ago when he was 73 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 3: a hot property, and he wanted his cake and eat 74 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: it too. He wanted the Lshu job, more money for him, 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: more money for his program to build. But he also 76 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: wanted to coach ole Miss through the playoffs, and it's 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: it's so irreasonable to do that. But I think he 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: was so in bold in the past month that I 79 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: want my cake and eat it too. I want to 80 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: coach and leave and poach and take and do it 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: all because I'm at the peak again. 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: And I was surprised when he had comments that, hey, 83 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to coach him, Like, you're not a victim here, Lane, 84 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: You created all of this. You didn't want to coach 85 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: these kids. Now you could have. You could be coaching 86 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: and you're in the college football players. You're probably going 87 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: to host a game, You're going to go to n 88 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: last year, going to be another coach at LSU. You 89 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: could have been the coach at Old Miss, and maybe 90 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: that doesn't matter to you. Like, I don't know how 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: important your legacy is, because I think your legacy is 92 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: damaged certainly because this. We move on from all of this. 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: I know that we do this no matter what the 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: story is. We'll move on and then we'll reflect back 95 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: in four years and go, oh, yeah, Lane's leaving. Where's 96 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: he gone? Oh yeah, that's right, he left. I mean, 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: I've been around long long enough to know we do 98 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: move on from all of this. But I do think 99 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: he'll be successful. I don't think anybody questions that. But 100 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: in the manner in which he departed, that was sad 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: and embarrassed for Lane Kiffin. Here is Lane Kiffin. He 102 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: had an interview with Marty Smith just off the tarmac. 103 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: He should know to stay away from that damn tarmac. 104 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: Here is Lane on why he chose LSU overall Miss. 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 4: My heart was here, but I just you know, I 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: talked to some mentors, Coach Carroll, coach Saban know, and 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: especially when coach Carrol Saven your dad would tell you 108 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: to go, man, take the shot, you know, take the 109 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: shot if you accomplished a lot here. I always felt 110 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: I always hated how we only gave one year to 111 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 4: Tennessee and left. I really hated that feeling of that, 112 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 4: you know, even though it was exciting year. But you know, 113 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: I think that we gave a lot to this program 114 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: and to the city, and you know, some of those 115 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: historic wins in this stadium they've ever had in best 116 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 4: best regular season in the history of the school. So 117 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: I feel proud of that part. But it just became time, 118 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 4: you know. I talked to God and to me, it's 119 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 4: time to take a new step. It's a new chapter. 120 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: Okay. Uh. I just wish he would have been honest 121 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: and just said, look, I'm going to LSU. I feel 122 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: like it's a better opportunity for what my goals are 123 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: and my family. 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: That's all. 125 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: Thank you for your support, you know, I wish you 126 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: the best of luck. I wish I was coaching because 127 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: I love these kids and we've had a great season, 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: but look, that's not fair to you, not fair to LSU, 129 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: and then leave. But don't be toying around, you know, 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: tick staff, you know, and this is a bigger problem 131 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: for college football. Could you imagine. Let's say Mike McDaniel 132 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: got fired with the Dolphins and Mike Tomlin took the 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: job right now in season. That's what we have here, 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: a coach going to the playoffs quitting to go to 135 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: another school. The college football's created all of this mess. Remember, 136 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: the kids were screwing it up. Now it's the grown 137 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: ups who screw it up. The kids are just kind 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: of waiting for the other shoe to drop here. These 139 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: are all the chancellors and presidents and athletic directors. They're 140 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: the ones that screw it up. The coaches. 141 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Paully, remember a decade ago when we were angry 142 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: that Christian McCaffrey skipped the sunball or like he's not 143 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: playing an exhibition sunball, he's not finishing in the season. 144 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: We got a coach who's going to the playoffs with 145 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, will miss 146 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: that often and he leaves. It's surreal that. 147 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Fette Leonard Fournette, Yeah, he sat out a game. Oh 148 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: my god, what are you doing to the pageantry of 149 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: a bull game? No, nobody wants to play in the 150 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: Sun Bowl. Well, hey, oh man, you know teams are 151 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: going to hold this against Christy McCaffrey. Oh really, yeah, 152 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: you know may he quit on his team. Okay, all right, 153 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: this is a coach who quit on his team. Like literally, 154 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: he quit on his team and go into LSU. There's 155 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: a lot of opinions out there, but Lane is not 156 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: a victim. Not a victim. He'll play a victim. Man. 157 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to coach them, You wanted to coach them, 158 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: But did you want to bring some of your assistant 159 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: coaches with you to LSU? Did you want to bring 160 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: some of your players with you to LSU? Now I 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: would say, hey, Lane, you can you can coach, but 162 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: you can't take any of our players in any of 163 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: our coaches. Okay, you sign a contract, let's say a 164 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: million dollars for each player in each coach that leaves 165 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: that you'll pay us back. How about that? How about 166 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: we get lawyers who draw up real good contracts to 167 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: protect schools. What was the buyout for Lane Kiffin at 168 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: Old Miss four million? Yeah? And if he got fired, 169 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: what was he going to get paid? Thirty six million 170 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: something crazy like that. That seems out of balance here. 171 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: Four million is nothing, Yes, Marvin, Yeah. 172 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 6: There's gonna be some type of kiff And rule implemented. 173 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 6: I don't know whether it's gonna be you can't take 174 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 6: these amount of players or you can't try to pick 175 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 6: off our coaches in the middle of the season. But 176 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 6: some type of kiff And rule they'll try to. I 177 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 6: don't know if they'll succeed, but they'll try to implement 178 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 6: it in new coaches contracts. 179 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 7: Yes, Todd, anything less than a championship with LSU, How 180 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 7: does that affect the decision when we look back on 181 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 7: him leaving All Miss, does he have to win at 182 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 7: least one title in LSU? 183 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: Even if he does, I mean great, I mean got 184 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: a lot of talent. You're gonna have more talent year 185 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: in and year out than you did at Ole Miss. 186 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: He should win. I mean three other coaches won national 187 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: titles there, so you're gonna be another coach who wins 188 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: the national title there. Okay, but money wasn't the issue. 189 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: And if it's talent, good, we wish you the best. 190 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: But the way he left is the problem. It's the 191 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: problem right now with him. It's a bigger problem with 192 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: college football. What's the poll question? First, Dowur Dylan, all. 193 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: Right, we got a couple options, Dan from Paulie. 194 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: If you're the Ole Miss ad, would you have let 195 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 3: Lane coach throughout the playoffs? 196 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: Yes? Or no? 197 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, Paul I'm gonna say a hard no on 198 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: that would even consider it. But when you brought up 199 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: the idea of some type of contract where he couldn't 200 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: take assistant coaches and couldn't take players under that umbrella, 201 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: I could consider it, but it would still be such 202 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: a bad look. 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: No, you can't do it. Can't do it. Does anybody 204 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: think that Laye Kiffin should have been able to coach 205 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,239 Speaker 2: Ole Miss in the playoffs? No? Yeah, ton I agree. 206 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 7: That it's a very bad look, But I could also 207 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 7: sell it by saying, you know, we went this far, 208 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 7: we're having this amazing season. We owe it to the 209 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 7: players to see it through. I hate seeing that he's 210 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 7: still in his own misk gear and he's already agreed 211 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 7: to coach somewhere else arrival in the SEC. 212 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 5: But you know he's leaving. 213 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 7: Why don't we get the most out of him, and 214 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 7: you know, he's got this relationship with the players. Let's 215 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 7: see how far we can go and then good riddings 216 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 7: after that. 217 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 2: But and I said this on Wednesday, I don't want 218 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: the college football Playoff Committee to then punish these players 219 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: and this team and hey, you don't have your head coach. 220 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: We've seen this with quarterbacks who haven't been able to 221 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: play and then all of sudden their team, you know, 222 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: is lowered as far as the rankings go, or they 223 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: don't even make the playoffs. I get that Lane Kiffin 224 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: gives you a better chance, but I can't. I would 225 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,479 Speaker 2: rather go in with my now ell a defensive coordinator, 226 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: and our team and we're playing and it's the people 227 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: who want to be here. I can't have this. You know, 228 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: Michigan basketball did this with Bill Frieder Steve Fisher, you 229 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: know both. Sham Beckler famously said I want a Michigan 230 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: guy coaching Michigan. And you can take a hard stance 231 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: on this. I mean, I try to be adaptable. I 232 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: mean I try to mature with all the things that 233 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: are happening, and back in my day it's easy to 234 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: say that, but this is this was just unfortunate and 235 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: sad how this played out, but it certainly sounded like 236 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: Lane was whippy on the tarmac and made it seem 237 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: like he was a victim and he's not. 238 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 239 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 240 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 241 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 2: Hey, it's Rob Parker and Calvin Washington from The Odd 242 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: Couple on Fox Sports Radio. 243 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 8: Adition to hearing us live weeknights from seven to ten 244 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 8: pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to 245 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 8: announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. 246 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: That's right, you can now watch The Odd Couple live 247 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: on YouTube every day. 248 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 8: All you gotta do search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube. 249 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 8: Again YouTube, Just search Odd Couple FSR. Check us out 250 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 8: on YouTube and subscribe. 251 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: We bring in Brian Winhorns to the Mothership. ESPN Senior 252 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: NBA writer. How did we get to this point? Ryan? 253 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: With Jannis and the Bucks? 254 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 5: Not one hundred percent sure where we are because one 255 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 5: of the things that I've been talking to the league 256 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 5: executive types about in the last twenty four hours is 257 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 5: do we think that this time the honest will actually 258 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 5: go all the way and formally say it's time to 259 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 5: trade me, because he's rattled the saber before. And you know, 260 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 5: one of the more fascinating stories that came out of 261 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 5: this whole summer, and it didn't come out in the summer. 262 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 5: It came out in October and Schamstrania, my colleague at 263 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 5: the HASPN, reported it. But in August Jannis talked to 264 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 5: the Bucks and different people can use different verbs here, 265 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 5: and I'm not trying to like step on anybody, but 266 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: he showed an interest in wanting to be on the 267 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 5: New York Knicks, and to the point where the Knicks 268 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 5: and the Bucks had trade talks. And I know what 269 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 5: Doc River said yesterday, said Giannis didn't ask to be traded. Okay, 270 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: he may not have said those words, I promise you 271 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: the Bucks it wasn't their idea, okay. And I know 272 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 5: that it caught the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you 273 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 5: know how I know, because like two weeks before, they 274 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 5: signed Mikhale Bridges to a contract extension, a really good 275 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 5: contract extension, nice one. And it's not that they wouldn't 276 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 5: have signed him or that they absolutely were going to 277 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 5: trade him in that deal. But once you signed him 278 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 5: to that you can't trade them for six months. So 279 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 5: if you were thought you were about to potentially enter 280 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: a very important negotiation, you wouldn't take one of those 281 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 5: guys off the table. So I think it caught the 282 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 5: Knicks off guard too, And so what I think happened 283 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 5: was it was Yannis's idea, Now you can bring people 284 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 5: on here and have them testify or whatever. It's fine. 285 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: The talks took place, okay, And the important thing is 286 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 5: Jannis watched what the Bucks did over the summer, which 287 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 5: was due to this crazy move. It was a two 288 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: hundred million dollar move. They cut Dame, making one hundred 289 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 5: million dollars in dead money, and then they signed Miles 290 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: Turner for one hundred million. So they took one hundred 291 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 5: million dollar problem, which was a player in his thirties 292 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 5: recovered from Achilles, and they made it a two hundred 293 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 5: dollars investment for a Miles Turner, who is a quality player, 294 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 5: just helped the team to get to the finals and excellent, 295 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 5: a high quality role player, but not a star player. 296 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 5: He saw those moves and then he said, I have 297 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 5: some interest in becoming a Nick. Okay, So that happened, 298 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 5: and it didn't come out until October, and at that 299 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 5: point Yanis they signed his two brothers, you know, and 300 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 5: Yannis was playing for the Bucks and everything, but like 301 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 5: that was a real indication of what y where Yannis's 302 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 5: head was at. Here's the other thing. Jannis's family moved 303 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 5: to Greece. If you know anything about Yiannis, the family 304 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 5: is extraordinarily important to him. It's one of the reasons 305 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 5: why the Bucks have signed his two brothers, because they 306 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 5: know how important it is to have his family with him. 307 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: That he said his fair and he might have had 308 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 5: ten reasons to send his family to Greece. But again, 309 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 5: these are actions that you're looking at going you know. 310 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 5: So what the league is wondering is knowing what happened 311 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 5: in the summer, knowing about the other stuff, knowing that 312 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: the team is not doing well, although they had their 313 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 5: best win of the year last night they beat the 314 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: Pistons without Yannis. Will Jannis actually go forward and say, Okay, 315 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: I wanted to because I because I don't think the 316 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 5: Bucks are going to get there Dan, because the Bucks 317 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 5: are so mortgaged and so deeply invested in keeping him, 318 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 5: and I actually don't blame them, and so That's really 319 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 5: what the question is will Yannis take the next step 320 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 5: besides the saber rattling that he's done before. 321 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 2: Why the Knicks? 322 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 5: Good question? You know, he he really you know, in 323 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 5: all of the on all of the discussions from Jannis 324 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 5: and from John Horst, their general manager and doc, no 325 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 5: one denied that those talks took place. The Knicks certainly 326 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 5: didn't deny it. And I thought, I know that they happened. 327 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 5: And you know, I will say that if you were 328 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 5: in a vacuum choosing where to go, you would want 329 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 5: to go to the Eastern Conference. You know, I think 330 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 5: you know, you know you we want to stay East. 331 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 5: And so if you looked at the Eastern Conference and 332 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 5: you said, well, where would I want to be as 333 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 5: a player, where do I think I can you know, 334 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 5: make a big impact? Where could we win right away? 335 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 5: Like New York rises to the top. You can make 336 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 5: some cases for some other teams, you know, Miami for example, 337 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 5: you know, maybe Atlanta, maybe Boston. All that that type 338 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 5: of trade would be a lot more complicated. But like 339 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 5: you know, if you go through that process, I could 340 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 5: see how you know, Toronto would be as it would 341 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 5: be an interesting team. Now that's actually kind of an 342 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: interesting team because you know, you know, national players seem 343 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 5: to like Toronto. But I think, you know, in August, 344 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 5: I think New York made some sense, and it may 345 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 5: not have made some sense from what the Knicks were 346 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 5: in position to trade at the time. And I certainly 347 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: don't think the Bucks were motivated to do it, like 348 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: they probably wanted everything the Knicks could possibly offer before 349 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 5: they would even get mildly interested. But that's the other 350 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 5: question is if Jannis does so that There's really three 351 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 5: questions that have been involved on my phone for the 352 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 5: last twenty four hours. One will Jannis actually go to 353 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 5: the point where he says I want to be traded 354 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 5: because he hasn't gotten to that point yet or before. Two, 355 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 5: if he does get traded, will the list be longer 356 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 5: than the Knicks than it was just a one team 357 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 5: thing over the summer? And Three, if Jannis has a list, 358 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 5: let's say there's three teams, let's say there's six teams. Whatever, 359 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 5: do the Bucks have to do business with just his list? 360 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 5: Because he does have one year left on his contract 361 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 5: plus a player option, so next year you'd be faced 362 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 5: with having Giannis in a walk year. So typically in 363 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 5: that situation, you would if you were trading for a guy, 364 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 5: you'd want to know he is staying, especially if you're 365 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 5: given a lot of stuff for him. But it's funny, Dan, 366 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 5: As I've talked to people in the league, people don't 367 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 5: necessarily think that would necessarily be true with Yannis. So 368 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 5: I'm not sure. But those are the three questions and 369 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 5: the topics that are going around the league right now. 370 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with the Knicks. 371 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 2: That'd be the only guy that'd be on limits. 372 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 5: I would advise them. I haven't. I don't have insight 373 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 5: on I don't have insight on that, but I would 374 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 5: do so. The challenge with the Knicks is they really 375 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 5: don't have meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these 376 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: other teams we could mention have their own draft picks, 377 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 5: and other teams draft picks that they can offer. The 378 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 5: Knicks don't have draft picks, so you would have to 379 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: make it a player based trade. And here's the thing 380 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 5: about the Bucks that's important to understand the Bucks, and 381 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 5: this is this sort of backs up why they've double 382 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 5: triple qul drippled down. They don't control I think their 383 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 5: next three or four drafts, they've either traded the pick 384 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 5: away or they've traded the swap away. Certainly this year 385 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 5: and next year, I know for sure. I think even 386 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 5: twenty eight too. And so when you're in that position, 387 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 5: you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well, we're 388 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 5: going to rebuild because you don't control your pick. And 389 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 5: there's a few teams in the NBA right now who 390 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 5: are in bad shape but don't control their pick, and 391 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 5: they're in hell, and so Milwaukee would probably have if 392 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 5: they you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this to happen 393 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: at all, but if they get to the poor where 394 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 5: they have to trade them, they're probably going to look 395 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 5: to make a player based trade or the draft asks 396 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 5: that that they're going to get are going to be 397 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 5: third party teams. In other words, if you do a 398 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 5: team with if you do a deal with the team 399 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 5: that you're trading Yiannis to and you're getting their picks 400 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 5: for the next couple of years, that's not that exciting 401 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 5: because that team stayed going to be good. If that 402 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 5: team has a third team's picks, yeah, you'd be interested 403 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 5: in that so that it doesn't rely on your performance 404 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 5: or that team with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading 405 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 5: a needle. So that's another reason why New York would 406 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 5: make some sense. They have some players that the Bucks 407 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: could get that would help them retrofit their team. 408 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm talking to Brian Winhorst, ESPN, senior NBA writer, 409 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: help me understand the Chris Paul situation of why it 410 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: had to happen on the road in Atlanta. 411 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 5: Well, that seems crazy, you know. And one of the 412 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 5: things that Lawrence Frank, So, first off, Laurence Frank had 413 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 5: this prescotfe it's yesterday, the general manager of the President. 414 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 5: I think it's the president is its title. And first off, 415 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 5: he said, put all the blame on me, which maybe 416 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 5: Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you it 417 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 5: was not only him who wanted to do it, but 418 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 5: doing it the way they did it. He said that 419 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 5: they made the decision on Sunday. Dan, Okay, let's just 420 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 5: let's just take that for the truth. Why was he 421 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 5: in Miami on Monday. They're starting a long road trip, 422 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 5: and you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened 423 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 5: in the middle of the night was because their flight 424 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 5: was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't 425 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 5: land in Atlanta Airport until nine thirty. You know how 426 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 5: long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown. 427 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 5: It doesn't take five minutes. They met at eleven o'clock. 428 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 5: In the meeting went several hours. So why do you 429 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 5: do it at eleven o'clock? You know, I don't you know? 430 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 5: So like the actual functionality of the way they handled 431 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 5: it is wretched. The decision. You've been around sports for 432 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 5: a long time. When you have a player who is 433 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 5: very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role, 434 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 5: it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal. 435 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: He's been vocal with the officials. He's been vocal with 436 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 5: his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the 437 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 5: opposing star player, with his star play, with his role players. 438 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 5: Imagine what he says off the court. You can just 439 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 5: see what he says on the court. And when you're 440 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 5: the star player and the point guard and you're playing 441 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 5: all eighty two games and your team is competing for 442 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 5: conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing 443 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 5: that and the team is sinking and you're of a 444 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 5: much smaller role. It doesn't work. I knew this twenty 445 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 5: years ago when I started the NBA. This is a 446 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 5: bit of a classic case situation. And you could say, well, 447 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 5: then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he 448 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 5: would have a small role and that this was possible. 449 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 5: That's fair, And I would just say that of the 450 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list. But there's 451 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 5: a long list of Clippers miscalculations so far. 452 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: When do you feel like we'll get a true sense 453 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: of Lebron's role with the Lakers? If is he a 454 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: third option now? And you know, I guess the future 455 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: of how long does he want to play, feel like 456 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: he can play and being a maybe a third option 457 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: for the Lakers and what role that plays. 458 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 5: It's an interesting set of circumstances that's happened because I 459 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 5: thought Lebron was awesome last year. He was second team 460 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 5: All NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the 461 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 5: Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was 462 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 5: a bad matchup for them with Minnesota, but I thought 463 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 5: that they really achieved in the regular season. They got 464 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 5: the three seed. I mean, I know the difference between 465 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 5: the three and the six was really tight, but they 466 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 5: got it. And you know, people were saying to me, 467 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 5: why do you think this is it for Lebron, and 468 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 5: I'm like, no, like, look at him. He's still one 469 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 5: of the top ten to fifteen players in the league. 470 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 5: And then a couple of things happened. First off, he 471 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 5: had two injuries dan So he sprained his knee in 472 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 5: the last playoff game against the Wolves. In fact, had 473 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 5: they extended that series, I don't know if he could 474 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 5: have played. He missed training, he was out for weeks. 475 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 5: He's never missed a playoff game. In all twenty years 476 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 5: in the playoffs, he's never missed a playoff game. I'm 477 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 5: not sure you'd been able to play in the next game. 478 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 5: So he had this knee injury. Then he hits the sciatica, 479 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 5: so he has the most injured offseason he's ever had, 480 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 5: which maybe isn't a surprise at age forty, but it's 481 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 5: still completely new. Also, they get Luca, so Lebron was 482 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: already having a great season. Lebron played well when Luca 483 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 5: after Luca got there, but the Luca thing happens. Then 484 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 5: he has the injuries. Okay, so these are two things 485 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 5: that we've never seen. We've never seen him not be 486 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 5: the A one A guy on his team. We've never 487 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 5: seen him have off season injuries before. Then his team 488 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: without him plays really really well. Absolutely never happened. Maybe 489 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 5: his team has been able to keep their nose above 490 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 5: water when he's been out, whether it's been for a 491 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 5: week or a month, they've never achieved. You've never looked 492 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 5: at a team that has missed Lebron for multiple games 493 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 5: have gone Man, they're doing great. And Austin Reeves is 494 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 5: having a career year. So you've got this series of 495 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 5: circumstances that he's never experienced before, not to mention not 496 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: getting able to start a season, not having to have 497 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 5: a training camp. So we are in completely unknown territory 498 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 5: for him. It would be unknown territory if any one 499 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 5: of those things was true. Now the whole menu is true. 500 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 5: And by the way, he rejoins the team as the 501 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: number one score in the history of the league, where 502 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 5: the two guys on his team are in the top 503 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 5: ten in scoring, Reeves and Luca are like one in nine. 504 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 5: I don't have and checked it today. Maybe Reeves has 505 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 5: dropped a little bit, but when he came back, I 506 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 5: think they were one in eight. So you're asking, you're 507 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 5: this is a completely different situation he's ever done, and 508 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 5: the team's winning, you know, you're not coming in and boy, 509 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 5: the team's struggling, and now you got so I think 510 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 5: he is absolutely in a little bit of the deep 511 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 5: end of the pool that he's never been in before. 512 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 5: I mean, how long has it been since Lebron's been 513 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 5: in a situation that he hasn't not only seen but mastered. 514 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 5: So this is awkward and he's showing his age. You know. 515 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 5: The other night in that game was really a game 516 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 5: where I really looked thought Lebron looked like an older 517 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 5: player for the first time where he wasn't getting left. 518 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 5: I mean he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks. 519 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 5: That's never happened in twenty three years, thousands of games. 520 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 5: So you're asking a really relevant question. I don't think 521 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 5: anybody knows. I think he's going through this day to 522 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 5: day trying to figure it out. 523 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: Would you be more surprised if he played another year 524 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: or he retired at the end of this year? 525 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 5: I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as 526 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 5: last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining 527 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 5: that this was going to be it regardless of the 528 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 5: contract which has That's also something he's never experienced before, 529 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 5: but is not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting 530 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 5: his day to day now. I'm just I'm just in 531 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 5: the middle of I don't know, and I know it's 532 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 5: an unsatisfactory answer, and I think Lebron has pretty much 533 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 5: said the same thing he said, I don't know. I 534 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 5: think Rich Paul, his agent, has said I don't know. 535 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: I don't know. But that's that's a departure from me 536 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 5: because I was in the camp of this guy could 537 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: Tom Bradiot like I mean, and he still could Tom Bradiot, 538 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 5: But if you watched him play last year, there's no 539 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: way you said that's a guy about to retire. 540 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining UKST. 541 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: Have a good day, Brian Windhorst. 542 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 543 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 544 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio apps. Search FSR to 545 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: listen live. 546 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: Lebron ninety seven games where he scored in double digits. 547 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: He's getting a lot of credit because three seconds to 548 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: go he had a chance. He had the ball in 549 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: his hands and he drove and kicked out to ruy 550 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: Hani Murra. Easy for me to say, that's ruey Hadchi Mura. 551 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: Is that right, Marvin? That is correct? Okay, thank you. 552 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: He kicked it out for him. He hit the three 553 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: and they ended up winning the game. 554 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: Yes, poet, I'm kind of glad the streak ended because 555 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: I didn't know he had that streak. It's not like 556 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: public knowledge. And I saw that last time, like, oh 557 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: my god, that's nuts. Not to have one game where 558 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 3: you just not just off night, but like Hammy in 559 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: the second half, cramp up, leave, that's really nutty. 560 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: Well, the previous game he had to go right down 561 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: to the wire, staying in a game getting blown out 562 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: to try to get to ten points. 563 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 6: Yes, Mormon, the last time he scored under ten points, 564 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin wasn't the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. 565 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: Nice. I don't know if the IP had been invented. 566 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: I think Cooper Flagg was only two weeks old. It's 567 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: been a long time there. And yeah, we're going to 568 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: look at Lebron the totality of his career, and it'll 569 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: be hard to argue that that's not the best player 570 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: of all time. And I still go back, and I 571 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: don't want to get into the argument. I just want 572 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: to point this out again. If I'm an owner of 573 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: a team and I get Mike and I'm going to 574 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: get him for let's say thirteen years, or I'm going 575 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: to get Lebron for twenty one to twenty two years. 576 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: As a businessman, I'm going to take twenty one twenty 577 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: two years at a really high level. And I think 578 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: he was second team All NBA last year. Now has 579 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: he fallen off? Yes, I don't know how healthy he is, 580 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: but has not looked good some of the shots that 581 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: he's taken that you would think that he would make, 582 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: or getting to the hoop, he just doesn't look very 583 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: comfortable out there. And plus I think he's trying to 584 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: find himself with this off. When you're watching that game, 585 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: you're watching and you're going, Okay, Austin Reeves is going 586 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: to get his shots. Luca's not there, I think birth 587 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: of his second child. But so you know, Lebron's trying 588 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: to figure out how does he fit in with this team? 589 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: And I think that's what's going to be fascinating to 590 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: watch because they were a good team when Lebron wasn't playing, 591 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: and now that he's back, his job that I think 592 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: is to blend in and not say I'm back. Everything 593 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: goes through me. 594 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 6: Yes, Mark, But don't you think Lebron would announce his 595 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 6: last season before the season started so he can get 596 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 6: the farewell tour a La Kobe Kareem Abdul Jabbarg, Michael Jordan. 597 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I would think that he would, but he might 598 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: not know or didn't plan on this being his last year. 599 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: You might find out during the season. Damn, I don't 600 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: want to go. I don't know if I could play 601 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: another game or another season I should say. But yes, 602 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: I don't think he went into this season feeling like 603 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: this is my last one, because he's probably thinking I 604 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: get a full year with Luca and I like our 605 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: chances here. 606 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, I would just looking at the standings and quietly. 607 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 3: These thunder are twenty one and one. They're winning their 608 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: games by fifteen and a half points. They've got sixty 609 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: games left. They would have to go what forty forty 610 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 3: eight wins out of the next sixty games to set 611 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 3: the all time record. 612 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want the all time record if 613 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: I'm okay. 614 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: See, they may stumble into it by the math of 615 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 3: it twenty one and one. 616 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't. I would not set that as 617 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: the goal. The goal is to win another title, not 618 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: to have the best regular season record if you happen 619 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: to get that, Okay, But I've seen that when you 620 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: know Golden State, you put all your efforts into it 621 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden. Now granted it took 622 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: a heroic effort for you know, Cleveland to beat them, 623 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: But the regular season, as Greg Popovich has pointed out 624 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: many many times, previous seasons doesn't mean anything. Just get 625 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: to the postseason and win a title, yes, Mark, But. 626 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 6: If you could kill two birds with one stone and 627 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 6: win seventy four games, you would do it, right. 628 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: I just I don't want to tax my team. I 629 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: want to win championships. That's it's all I care about. 630 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: I don't care you know how many wins were going 631 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: to have, yes, Mark. 632 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 6: But they're mollywopping the competition. So it's not like they're 633 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 6: winning a bunch of games by one point the other. 634 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 6: Jalen Williams is getting a bunch of run because they're 635 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 6: beating these teams by fifteen twenty points every night. 636 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: I know, I know, yeah, Pauling. 637 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: I went back to the fifteen sixteen season to look 638 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: at the Warriors. They started twenty four and oh. The 639 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: twenty fourth win was at Boston, double overtime, and then 640 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: the next night in a back to back where they 641 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: had to go to Milwaukee, they lost by ten points, 642 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: and when they were twenty four and one, that was 643 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: their first loss. 644 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, you know when the Lakers won thirty 645 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: three in a row and you put so much effort 646 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: into that. That was it's like nineteen seventy two. But 647 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: you know, you have to win every game and just 648 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: I think it taxes these teams trying to do that, 649 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: and you know, go back to Golden State. They got 650 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: caught up. They were going to pass the bulls. They 651 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 2: were going to win seventy three. Didn't win the title 652 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: that year, And really that's when everybody says, oh, how 653 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: many did they win? All they won? 654 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 9: That? 655 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 2: Did they win the title? That's all I care about. 656 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 6: Yes, Marvin, it's all good because Oklahoma City, they're all 657 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 6: under twenty five years old anyway, so they're young legs. 658 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 6: They have eighteen draft picks coming up all in the lottery. 659 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 6: They're good for the next five years. 660 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 2: Paul in Center City. Paul, where is Center City? 661 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 10: Center City is north of the Twin Cities, about forty minutes. 662 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 10: It's called Center City because they're in this between Chicago 663 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 10: Lakes and the border Minnesota, Wisconsin, Taylor's Falls and Saint 664 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 10: Croix Falls. All right, So hey, first time sometime six 665 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 10: to one twenty five. I keep seeing these field goals 666 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 10: being made so easily, and Aubrey looks like he's just 667 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 10: meting chip shots. And I know you guys have talked 668 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 10: about this him and anyone suggested bringing the hashes back 669 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 10: to what they used to be. Why they ever brought 670 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 10: them together? I never liked. And you bring them out 671 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 10: and get rid of the caball. I think it's going 672 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 10: to add at least another dimension of strategy and harder. 673 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: Well, college they have those hash marks out so wide, 674 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: and these are college kickers, the pros. They made it easier. 675 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: This is what we were talking about earlier this morning. 676 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: What if you raised the crossbar three feet Therefore, these 677 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: sixty yard field goals, now that affects them. But you know, 678 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: once again, we're getting back to penalizing somebody for being great. 679 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: We are trying to penalize the Eagles for being great 680 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: with the tush push. I just don't know if you 681 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 2: want to get into the practice of that, because it's like, hey, 682 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: they're really good. Nobody's doing that. When somebody's throwing fifty 683 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: touchdown passes. They don't say, you know what, we should 684 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 2: let the defense get away with something here. Nobody does that. 685 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 2: We just don't want games where it's a tush push 686 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: or it's going to be a field goal. You know, 687 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 2: the NFL's in the entertainment business. H Okay, here comes 688 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 2: another field goal. Although he is incredible with what he's doing, 689 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: but now it feels like, well, we don't want games 690 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 2: to be decided this way, but they've been decided this way. 691 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 2: Super Bowls have been decided this way. It just he's 692 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 2: really good at what he does and we don't like that. 693 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauling, I think it's though affecting the end of 694 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 3: games with the touchback. Now going to the thirty five. 695 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: If you're Dallas or a team with a high end kicker, 696 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 3: you need twenty five maybe thirty yards for a field goal. 697 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: That's not even in question. The NFL doesn't like when 698 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: things go awry like this, like the ten years ago 699 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: with the extra point, you raise up the crossbar three feet. 700 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 3: Now you've made fifty plus a lot harder and a 701 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: lot less easy wins at the end for a field 702 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 3: goal kicker. 703 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't like penalizing somebody who's great at 704 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 2: what they do. I mean, did we say, man, Steph 705 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: Curry's ruining the NBA, we need to move the three 706 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 2: point shot back even further? I mean it, Brandon Aubrey 707 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: has mastered this and should be given credit for that. Yeah. 708 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 11: Yeah, I kind of feel like we have talked about 709 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 11: how the three pointer is ruining the game and it 710 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 11: needs to be addressed. 711 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you do. Are you gonna move 712 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: it back and then you're gonna get even worse. You're 713 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: gonna get worse basketball because they're still gonna shoot the three. 714 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: But I can't penalize Steph Curry because he does this 715 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 2: better than anybody in history. It's like, oh, who wants 716 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: to see three pointers? 717 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, And they really can't change a three point 718 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 3: line any further back than it is. If you look 719 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 3: at the corners, that corner spot, there's no room you 720 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: got like three feet or your heels are out of bounds. 721 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: Right, Well, you would have to extend it towards the 722 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 2: center core, right, you wouldn't. You can't do it on 723 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: the on the soide exactly. 724 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 3: But that would make this shot almost oblong, where it's 725 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 3: two feet shorter from the sides than it would be 726 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: from the top of the key. 727 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 11: And it actually makes it better for Steph and people 728 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 11: like him, where most people can't hit it, except for 729 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 11: like Steph Dame and like three other dudes who regularly shoot. 730 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 2: Them from that far. Anyway, Yeah, yeah, Paulin, we did 731 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: talk about it. 732 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 3: I think it was just yesterday's sports history when they 733 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 3: lowered the pitcherre mount raised the pitcher mount, they raised 734 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 3: it right or they lowered. They lowered it to help 735 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 3: the offense, and that was a penalty for the pitchers. 736 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 3: It would be kind of similar if they did that 737 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 3: for the kickers. 738 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 2: Well, everything is supposed to be for the offense. Because 739 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 2: the leading hitter in nineteen sixty eight was three oh one, 740 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 2: So you only had one guy batting three hundred in 741 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: the American League. It was kr Yustremsky three oh one 742 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 2: won the batting title, but then they dropped it from 743 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 2: fifteen the mound fifteen inches down to ten inches and 744 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, offense flourished after that. Mike 745 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 2: and Wisconsin. Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today? 746 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 1: Abe? 747 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 2: Hey Mike? Hello? Hi, hey Mike here. 748 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 9: I've been meaning the call for a while, but lines 749 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 9: are busy. I'm a garbage man out here in Wisconsin, 750 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 9: and I got an IT team investigation already. Uh, I 751 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 9: already did all the research. If you go to September seventeenth, 752 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 9: last hour, last segment, Seaton agreed to take Penn State 753 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 9: to beat Oregon first rate ten. 754 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I'm gonna have to get the item on 755 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: that seat and do you owe us a spray tan? 756 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 2: According to Mike and Wisconsin, it's possible. It's possible. 757 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 11: I don't remember that, but I'm not denying that it happened. 758 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: We do have a lot of these bets, but they're 759 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 2: they I don't know. Mario I think writes them down. 760 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 2: He's supposed to, or he has before. So Mike will 761 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: check on that, and if so, seat, we'll get that 762 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 2: spray tand before the Oregon Penn State, Penn State, Yeah, 763 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 2: why would you have taken Penn State against a good team. 764 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 11: Gotta admit I really have no idea. I mean it 765 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 11: sounds like something I would think was smart sports wise, but. 766 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Let's see Nathan 767 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 2: in Kansas. Hi, Nathan, what's on your mind? Hey? 768 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 12: DP, first time caller. I love the show six five 769 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 12: to sixty. Hey, I was going to run a college 770 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 12: football playoff format for you guys and get your opinion first. 771 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 12: It would take some oversight, which I think we all 772 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 12: agree needs to happen, but essentially, have ten team conferences 773 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 12: where everybody plays everybody in their conference, so there's no 774 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 12: more of the who would have, could have should have debates? 775 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 12: And then you double the conference championship game, take the 776 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 12: first the top two teams in that conference, and double 777 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 12: it as the college football playoff first round and have 778 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 12: six or seven, you know, ten team conferences. 779 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 9: What do you guys think? 780 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 2: Too much math for me on a Friday, Nathan, Gotta 781 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 2: be honest with you. 782 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, Dan, the I team is scrambling to find 783 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 3: out what the bet from September with Seaton Oregon Penn 784 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 3: State was legit. I did look back and going into 785 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 3: that weekend. Penn State was the number three ranked team 786 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 3: in the country and Oregon was number six, and it 787 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 3: was a double overtime victory by Oregon. Man, that a 788 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: different world back then. 789 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: You know, I probably could have too. 790 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 11: They have a tight end that I like a lot, 791 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 11: Luke Reynolds. It's very possible that I would have been like, 792 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 11: oh yeah, I'll go with Penn State just for that guy. 793 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 2: It's possible I could use a little a little color though, 794 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 2: touch ups. Yeah, heading into the holidays. 795 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 11: Yeah well yeah, so yeah, I just got back from vacation. 796 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, sell you in a maco to get that, uh 797 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,959 Speaker 2: Sam and Los Angeles? Hi, Sam, Hi, good. 798 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,959 Speaker 13: Morning, Thanks for taking my call the first time, long time. 799 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 12: Five seven, one sixty. 800 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 801 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 13: In the annals of crappers Crappersburg State football, the ones 802 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 13: were rumblings and movements in the operations. 803 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 10: The head of operations. 804 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 13: Police Koleno, scoped up video that he caught wind of. 805 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 13: It showed how an opponent's opponents shaped their practices using 806 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 13: a six person crew. This was turned over to the 807 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 13: governing body and that brought about stiff penalties that sanctioned 808 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 13: the opponents nil and scholarship fund. This incident was termed 809 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 13: crossis Gate. 810 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 2: All right, thank you Sam Crappensburg State on that for sure. Yeah, 811 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. I wasn't able to follow. Once again, 812 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: I'm a little drugged up today and it's a Friday. 813 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 2: So maybe Paul can decipher that. You're not a little 814 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 2: drugged up because it's a Friday. You're a little drugg 815 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 2: up because you're not feeling well and it happens to 816 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 2: be Friday. Yeah, yeah, right, that's what I think. It's 817 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,280 Speaker 2: just medication Friday. Yeah, like, yes, we all get drugged 818 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 2: up on Fridays. No, no, not anymore. OK, Yes, Todd, 819 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 2: I don't think. 820 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 7: Any of us are drugged up right now, but I 821 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 7: don't think any of us followed. 822 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 5: A lot of them just transpire there. 823 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Tod.