WEBVTT - First Place Losers: Part 3

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal. I'm that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>for dake Edo State? Is that woo woom? And Dan

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<v Speaker 1>and Tye.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the solid verbal. Boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is ty hilden Brandton. Joined me as always, still

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<v Speaker 2>way over there and beautiful and sunny in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>The one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably as tan right now as I was when

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<v Speaker 1>I came home from my honeymoon tie, which is to say,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling pretty good. I'm using a lot of alo Vera

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, got to keep that skin skin looking

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<v Speaker 1>great after getting so much sun. But Ty, I'm wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing well, Dan, I am doing well. It's good

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<v Speaker 2>to be with you once more. Today we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be going through the final chapter of our First

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<v Speaker 2>Place Losers series that we've been running now for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple episodes. We're doing two thousand and what fifteen through

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the twenty fifteen seasons through the twenty nineteen seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>So technically speaking, it's the twenty sixteen College Football Playoff

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<v Speaker 1>National Championship runner up through the twenty twenty runner up.

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<v Speaker 1>Is my math correct correct? I believe that's it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Thank you so much for downloading the show, for

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, throw us a follow on the gram Ty, we're

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<v Speaker 1>I posted a picture of your hair. That's that's. If

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what we're even doing. There are constant updates

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<v Speaker 1>on Tie's air.

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<v Speaker 2>You hit it best like two weeks ago, and you

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<v Speaker 2>said that my hair was assuming a leadership position.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely I think that's where we're at with things. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw some other folks talk about it looking like a helmet.

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<v Speaker 2>It is kind of a helmet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, movingpieces, solidverbal dot com, the newsletter, all those various

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<v Speaker 1>places we're adding. We're just adding pieces of content ty

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<v Speaker 1>as we hopefully I think we're about one hundred days

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<v Speaker 1>away from the alleged start to the twenty twenty seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are ramping up as schools and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little transition. Hopefully prove right here, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much. As schools themselves ramp up and get we

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<v Speaker 1>get some campus action, voluntary workouts. Hopefully schools are taking

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<v Speaker 1>all necessary steps to put athletes in the safest possible

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<v Speaker 1>position as they returned to campus. I saw Clemson is

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<v Speaker 1>June eighth, the pact. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa. Yeah, Okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting ahead of mind, surely, you jest, we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Much you Yeah, So let's start here at the top.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the headliner for the moment we can get

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<v Speaker 2>into schools and conferences allowing athletes back on campuses or

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<v Speaker 2>to take part in voluntary workouts. But the news is

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<v Speaker 2>that this is normally the time when TV networks would

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<v Speaker 2>reveal start times for the first three weeks of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Staples, our friend from The Athletic, noted that, gasp,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not doing that. They elected not to, They're delaying

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<v Speaker 2>that announcement. He goes into to great detail about why

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't read that much into it. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>common sense angle is, obviously, dude, we're in a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot remains to be seen. We should find out

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<v Speaker 2>more in the coming days and weeks, but hold your

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<v Speaker 2>horses for now. Just because you don't see those times

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<v Speaker 2>out there doesn't mean there's not a season. It just

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<v Speaker 2>means networks are trying to figure out how all this

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<v Speaker 2>piece is together.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, right. They don't want to start taking steps too

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<v Speaker 1>quickly before knowing what states are doing, what schools are doing,

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<v Speaker 1>what stadiums are doing. They're just sort of being as

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<v Speaker 1>patient as possible, which I think is probably the best

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of due diligence.

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<v Speaker 2>Now onto more specifics. Clemson has announced that it's bringing

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<v Speaker 2>back athletes on June the eighth. We have the Pac

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<v Speaker 2>twelve jumping in and saying that they're going to allow

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<v Speaker 2>players back for voluntary workouts as of June the fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>and Oklahoma going to let its players back on July

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<v Speaker 2>the first. Interestingly enough, this may put Oklahoma about a

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<v Speaker 2>month behind some other Power five programs who are allowing

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<v Speaker 2>players on campus earlier for voluntary workouts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it should be noted Lincoln Riley has long

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<v Speaker 1>been a proponent of let's wait as long as we

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can to arm ourselves with the most possible information

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<v Speaker 1>and safety precautions, and so he has been outspoken about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not necessarily putting them behind, I think in

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of extra meaningful way. More so that like

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<v Speaker 1>people are getting back to campus to work out and condition,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not school starting football practice. So Oklahoma players are

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<v Speaker 1>able to go out on their own and condition wherever

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<v Speaker 1>they may be, just not on campus. So yes, Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>as a university, as an athletic department, is saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take as much time as we can to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how we're doing this and what the world looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think Oklahoma players are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>any further behind. And as it relates to the PAC twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe word is that California is, as of the

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<v Speaker 1>time we're recording this close to reopening places like gyms,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is something that Commissioner Larry Scott has pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to us. When that happens, that's a very good indicator

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<v Speaker 1>about the direction we're going to go timing wise. So

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<v Speaker 1>things seem to be progressing in that direction in my

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<v Speaker 1>home state and the state in which I'm recording this

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that PAC twelve news bullet is very

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<v Speaker 2>very telling if you are if you are hopeful for

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<v Speaker 2>a college football season. The PAC twelve was a conference

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<v Speaker 2>I know you and I were watching very very closely

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<v Speaker 2>because California has taken aggressive measures. Oregon and Washington had

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<v Speaker 2>entered at some point into a bit of a pact

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<v Speaker 2>with California to kind of do a joint reopening and

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<v Speaker 2>align some of their policies, and it seemed for a

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<v Speaker 2>while as if they could be the fly in the ointment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, again, everyone's heart is in the right place here,

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<v Speaker 2>But just how would that perhaps Hamper plans to move

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<v Speaker 2>forward with a college football season now, If we're at

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<v Speaker 2>a point where they're comfortable on June the fifteenth bringing

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<v Speaker 2>athletes back for voluntary workouts, I think that is a

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<v Speaker 2>good sign just from a season standpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>So more to follow totally for sure on this front.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do our best to try and keep you abreast

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation here each and every episode we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about news. But yeah, that is your update for the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a lot to discuss, but some meaningful college football news.

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<v Speaker 1>Nonetheless, should also add, if you're not paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>Bud Elliott over at twenty four to seven, our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Bud keeping track of the number, the sheer number of

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<v Speaker 1>verbal commitments.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, it's gonna be a tidal wave of the commitments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw Pat Fitzgerald, I believe, talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's something like eight hundred verbal commitments and last

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<v Speaker 1>year at this time it was three fifty something less

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<v Speaker 1>than fifty percent. And so if you are at all

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of recruiting of either your team or just

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<v Speaker 1>in general, it's going to be an active you know,

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<v Speaker 1>based on whatever happens in the college football universe, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be an active next few months, to say

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<v Speaker 1>the least, so something to take note of.

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<v Speaker 2>So with all that stuff out of the way, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about first Place Losers Part three. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we have spent parts one and two of this bit

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<v Speaker 2>discussing all the runners up from two thousand and five

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<v Speaker 2>through twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>The game within the game for us has been comparing

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<v Speaker 2>those teams to one another, and more specifically to two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five USC and yeah, just as like a

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<v Speaker 2>thought experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>Legendary loser, Yeah, like that five USC.

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<v Speaker 2>That part has been really hard for me. I think

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<v Speaker 2>for us, I think we struggled with it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's like how the music from high

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<v Speaker 2>school and college sticks with you forever or what, But

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<v Speaker 2>like that USC team happen at such a formative time

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<v Speaker 2>for us personally for many of our rebawlers out there,

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<v Speaker 2>listening where you stand on five USC to some degree

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<v Speaker 2>says a lot about your fandom.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Maybe that's why I've had a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know now though, as we get into part three,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's recency bias. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, but I feel like we're at a

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<v Speaker 2>point where it's unavoidable, Like nostalgia cannot possibly override the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that at least three of the teams we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about here today we're undeniably better. You could

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<v Speaker 2>probably make the case for all five, but at a minimum,

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<v Speaker 2>I think three are just undeniably better.

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<v Speaker 1>There there's simply no avoiding it. We've also reached the point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go through some other context, We've reached the point

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<v Speaker 1>where the quarterback position and offenses have evolved to such

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy point. I don't know if you ever saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those moving graphs that update by the year

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching, Like, okay, which quarterback has the all time

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<v Speaker 1>best QB rating? And it starts in like nineteen fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you suddenly see it grow year after year. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now Ty Depmer has the highest ever rating. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>now okay, so and so does And you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of that the efficiency marks of recent quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel as if the last fifteen years since that

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<v Speaker 1>USC win between Johnny Football, Marcus Mariota, Cam Newton, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>leaving people out of this, but Jameis Winston, Kyler, Murray Baker, Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow, all these guys are playing our leading offenses

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<v Speaker 1>that are so electric and so ruthlessly efficient that it

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<v Speaker 1>almost seems like we're talking about two eras ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>even comparing eras is difficult, and now two generations, three

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<v Speaker 1>generations removed. I understand where you're coming from, because even

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen Jake fromm for Georgia is playing at a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy high level given that he's a true freshman, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's just become such a wide open sport and so

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback friendly that it it almost becomes pretty impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>compare with how great offenses have gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start here with twenty fifteen Clemson. What's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about this show, and you've had we had one with

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon where we had Oregon twice in one episode, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have it multiple times here with part three,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've got Clemson twice, we've got Alabama twice, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>In the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with twenty fifteen Clemson. They finished the year

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen and one, that one, of course, being a forty

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<v Speaker 2>five to forty loss in Glendale in the National Championship

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<v Speaker 2>game to the Alabama Crimson Tide. This is a very

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<v Speaker 2>good team, very good football team. Obviously, they made it

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<v Speaker 2>to the National Championship. Two things jump out at me though,

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<v Speaker 2>when I go back and look at it first. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is also going to be a recurring theme.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan, Yeah, My.

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<v Speaker 2>Entire opinion of this Clemson team I think was shaped

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<v Speaker 2>by them beating Notre Dame in a try topical storm

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<v Speaker 2>first week of months Soon, sir, This was the mons

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<v Speaker 2>sooon game to start all monds Soon games. Clemson, if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, jumped out to an early lead. Notre

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<v Speaker 2>Dame came back late. They had a real shot. I

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<v Speaker 2>was at a wedding at the time. We got back

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<v Speaker 2>from the reception after multiple adult libations, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>fired up in front of a different group of friends

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<v Speaker 2>than the group that normally would watch me watch Notre

0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Dame football game, and it was jarring for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It was jaring.

0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Imagine Clemson won twenty four to twenty two. I never

0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.080
<v Speaker 2>got over that game. I always felt like Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 2>was good enough to win, and so I begrudgingly watched

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<v Speaker 2>Clemson the rest of that twenty fifteen campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>The strongest case for Clemson as a team that either

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even thinking about two thousand and five USC

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<v Speaker 1>but just as it relates to the other four teams

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to talk about, because to me it

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<v Speaker 1>at first glance, it seems like they're the easy answer.

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<v Speaker 1>As for the worst of the five teams, by the numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>they're sort of the worst by the way they lost

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<v Speaker 1>that National Championship game where they just lost every conceivable moment,

0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.680
<v Speaker 1>and that includes every moment that they could have tackled

0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.959
<v Speaker 1>oj Howard and just didn't. But you know the two

0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.320
<v Speaker 1>special teams play giving up the touchdown and then giving

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<v Speaker 1>up that the on side kick that they allowed Alabama

0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.079
<v Speaker 1>to recover. But really, the case for this twenty to

0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:28.920
<v Speaker 1>fifteen Clemson team as being worthy and or better than

0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.000
<v Speaker 1>any of the other first place losers is the acc

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<v Speaker 1>was actually pretty good in twenty fifteen. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>make their way through and this is pre Lamar Jackson Louisville,

0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and they barely got by them. It's Kyle Bollan, I

0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.880
<v Speaker 1>believe they get by Notre Dame and the Monsoon by two.

0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Louisville was a three point win. Georgia Tech is pretty good.

0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Miami's pretty awful. This is the last year of al

0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Golden and they just completely obliterate the Canes. It's fifty

0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.000
<v Speaker 1>eight nothing. But NC State is good and they have

0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a shootout against them. It's a total bloodbath.

0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Against Florida State, they kind of look not great against Syracuse.

0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.880
<v Speaker 1>That was a game late. It was a four and

0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.320
<v Speaker 1>eight Syracuse team, I believe, and they didn't look amazing

0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and separating from South Carolina three and nine South Carolina team,

0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.240
<v Speaker 1>but a legit, a legit North Carolina team in the

0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.800
<v Speaker 1>a SEC championship game that they need in off side

0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.760
<v Speaker 1>on side, they were ruled out. North Carolina ruled off

0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.440
<v Speaker 1>sides on an onside kick attempt at the end of

0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the game. And then of course they beat a good

0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma team in the first round of the playoff by twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>So the case is that they had to weather a

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<v Speaker 1>stronger schedule leading up to Alabama than perhaps they had

0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to do in previous seasons. Yeah, I so, and they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They did, They didn't. They didn't separate a lot, but

0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.840
<v Speaker 1>they at least were a little bit more proven. I

0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.360
<v Speaker 1>think that's fair. The other thing that jumps out to me,

0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.120
<v Speaker 1>just looking up and down this roster, this is a

0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.960
<v Speaker 1>great team. It's still not as great as what the

0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.280
<v Speaker 1>team would become over the next couple of years, not

0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.280
<v Speaker 1>even close. There's just such a difference between being great

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and now as they are going into next season, as

0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.080
<v Speaker 1>they were this past season cartoonishly loaded.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is how I would classify it. That's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>where we're at now. All that said, they had fourteen

0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.200
<v Speaker 2>guys from this starting roster that got picked in the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL draft. This was the Deshaun Watson Show.

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<v Speaker 1>On offense.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw for thirty five touchdowns over forty one hundred yards.

0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.960
<v Speaker 2>He rushed for another twelve eleven hundred yards on the ground.

0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.880
<v Speaker 2>He had Wayne Gallman going over fifteen hundred yards. He

0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.720
<v Speaker 2>had Artavis Scott as his leading riskiver, a young Dion Caine,

0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.800
<v Speaker 2>a young Hunter Renfro. He had Jordan Legott, Sharon Peak

0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.320
<v Speaker 2>also on his team out wide. Defensively, very stout. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about recurring themes that's been a staple

0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.640
<v Speaker 2>of this run by Clemson. A crazy pass rush with

0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Dodd and Shack Losson up front. Both of them

0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.560
<v Speaker 2>had twelve and a half sacks, which is crazy. They

0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.200
<v Speaker 2>were just living in opposing backfields. They eventually make it

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<v Speaker 2>to this National championship game after rolling their way through

0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.320
<v Speaker 2>their semi final playoff matchup, and that squares them off

0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.560
<v Speaker 2>against the Alabama Crimson tied again. This is a wild game,

0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.040
<v Speaker 2>a fun game. Forty five to forty was your final,

0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.760
<v Speaker 2>with Alabama grabbing a lead in the second quarter, sort

0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.200
<v Speaker 2>of holding serve for the duration of the game before

0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:25.000
<v Speaker 2>they eventually got more breathing room on a long touchdown

0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.920
<v Speaker 2>reception by OJ Howard followed by a kick return by

0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Kenyon Drake that sprung them gave them enough breathing room

0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.240
<v Speaker 2>I think to kind of take this one through to completion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jake Coker like lit them up. Yeah, Jake Coker

0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.480
<v Speaker 1>was fantastic. Derek Henry has a couple long runs, he finishes.

0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, his average on the ground wasn't great, but

0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.080
<v Speaker 1>he has he wins moments, and you mentioned Oj Howard,

0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.560
<v Speaker 1>we both did, and just every conceivable moment Clemson could

0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.960
<v Speaker 1>have lost. Deshaun Watson throws a bad pick to I

0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.600
<v Speaker 1>think it was Eddie Jackson, and Clemson just had opportunities.

0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Alabama scores twenty four points in the fourth quarter to

0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.840
<v Speaker 1>come back and win this game, a back and forth

0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:09.159
<v Speaker 1>game late, so Clemson just not fully ready for prime

0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 1>time to compete with Bama for sixty minutes. So still

0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a really really strong Clemson team, not the strongest Clemson team,

0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe even not even a top two Clemson team of

0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.320
<v Speaker 1>this era, but nonetheless a wildly successful season.

0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:25.800
<v Speaker 2>The other thing here, if I can get vulgar for

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<v Speaker 2>a second, If that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Ty, let's do it. Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>The playoff games are on New Year's Eve. This is

0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.520
<v Speaker 2>when they tried to spin that bullshit about oh he

0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.879
<v Speaker 2>starting a new tradition. Remember they had this song by

0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Kimmel is New Year's Eve will be remember this thing,

0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of course, And it was fun. It was a fun song.

0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that song, but it was bullshit too. And

0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.080
<v Speaker 2>in the end, they'll try to move our plans around

0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to watch and be part of a playoff and Clemson

0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and one by twenty over Oklahoma and Alabama shutout in

0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Michigan State and it was all for not It was like,

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:12.119
<v Speaker 2>not that exciting anyway. Where does twenty fifteen Clemson stant

0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:17.399
<v Speaker 2>you versus other teams that we're going to talk about well,

0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess we could talk about where they rank relative

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<v Speaker 2>to the other teams in a little bit, but where

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<v Speaker 2>do they rank relative to five USC.

0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.959
<v Speaker 1>Two teams who struggled with big moments on the big stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably gonna go USC here, but not by much,

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.440
<v Speaker 1>not by much. This was twenty fifteen, I believe was

0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.840
<v Speaker 1>also the first year of Clemson with the offensive coordinator duo,

0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.080
<v Speaker 1>so they were still getting used to that. It was

0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott. But uh yeah, I'm going

0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to USC. Buy a hair here, all right.

0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Twenty sixteen then kind of is a natural segue because

0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen Alabama was a rematch between Clemson Alabama. This

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.240
<v Speaker 2>time Deshaun Watson got the better of the Crimson Tide.

0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.359
<v Speaker 2>They win thirty five to thirty one. This game was

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.639
<v Speaker 2>played in Tampa. Yet another year of semi final games

0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.840
<v Speaker 2>on New Year's Eve, another year of blowout. So we

0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.760
<v Speaker 2>move our plans around Washington and Ohio State get drilled,

0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.879
<v Speaker 2>setting up this rematch in the title game, and just

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.679
<v Speaker 2>sticking with Clemson for a second. The only had I

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.360
<v Speaker 2>have only in air quotes, only eleven guys drafted from

0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.719
<v Speaker 2>this Clemson starting lineup but I thought they were better.

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 2>They were just bets on both offense and defense. Statistically,

0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.159
<v Speaker 2>that bears itself out, and the big statistical shift if

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you go back and look at it, Dan, was Clemson

0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:53.680
<v Speaker 2>not being as reliant on Deshaun Watson's legs. Right, he

0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.119
<v Speaker 2>had five hundred fewer rushing yards this season, but the

0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:58.960
<v Speaker 2>legs were there in the big games. If you go back,

0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 2>if you plot out, yes, his rushing attempts. It was

0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.159
<v Speaker 2>the bigger, closer games where Deshaun just decided, like, screw it,

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking.

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Over twenty plus carries against Bama in a winning effort

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 1>this year in the National Championship game.

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.400
<v Speaker 2>The other thing here of note, it was a much

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.720
<v Speaker 2>more battle tested Clemson team, way more close games, seven

0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to one score games. Even had that weird loss at

0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.639
<v Speaker 2>home against pitt in weird week of November.

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Some people say incredible, Well, it was incredible, but it

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.720
<v Speaker 1>was just a weird spot for them to lose. Losing

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.080
<v Speaker 1>to Nate Peterman has not aged well, has not aged

0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 1>twelve for Clemson.

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 2>On the Alabama side of things, Dan, we had Jalen

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Hurts as a true freshman, right, he won the starting job.

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he comes in. He relieves Blake Barnett against

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.439
<v Speaker 1>USC and Jerry World in Week one and just an

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.960
<v Speaker 1>absolute blowout over the Trojans. Certainly, USC becomes a different

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.159
<v Speaker 1>team with Sam Darnold a couple games later and they

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.399
<v Speaker 1>end up winning the Rose Bowl. So I guess in

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.040
<v Speaker 1>retrospect that kind of reflects well on Alabama, but different quarterback,

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>first game of the year, whatever, Alabama. Still that was

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.160
<v Speaker 1>not It was not a pretty day for the Trojans.

0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>They survive ole Miss week three in a game I

0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.639
<v Speaker 1>distinctly remember what Nick Saban looked like and sounded like

0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.720
<v Speaker 1>after they survived the shootout against ole Miss. I think

0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.119
<v Speaker 1>it's in Oxford, forty eight to forty three. He looks

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.640
<v Speaker 1>like the weight of the world has just drained his body.

0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>He looks so relieved that he was just rescued off

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of a sinking ship at the very last moment. But

0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 1>they shut out LSU, They obliterate Mississippi State. They dropped

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty on Florida in the SEC championship game, and they

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 1>make efficient work I would say of Washington holding down

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the Husky offense to seven points in the semi final,

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>and that was It's a Jake brown It was a

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 1>very good Washington team. Obviously that makes the playoff, but

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 1>it's an injured Jake Browning team, not really able to

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:59.880
<v Speaker 1>get anything going on offense. So ultimately just a hell

0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 1>of a year for Alabama. But going against that Clemson team,

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurts is not able to do basically anything down

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.679
<v Speaker 1>the field with his arm. It's okay, they kind of

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.120
<v Speaker 1>get it done with his legs. But in terms of

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:17.640
<v Speaker 1>what the Alabama offensive murder machine would become, they weren't there.

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>On offense. They just weren't. It was I think it

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.080
<v Speaker 1>was Bo Scarborough running things, taking over for Derrick Henry.

0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.639
<v Speaker 1>He would have some amazing individual moments and runs, but

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 1>the offense was still a tick or two behind what

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it would become under Mike Locksley and Josh Gaddis.

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 2>The defense, though, was loaded who the defense was good,

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 2>The defense was loaded. So this was a very talented

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Bama team. So you went about the offense and how

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>it was constructed. In many ways, this was a seminal

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>moment for that Alabama offense. This was Kiffen, This was

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Steve Sarkejian taking the offense in a direction that it

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.120
<v Speaker 2>that it hadn't been before, but frankly has been ever since.

0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Hurts ran for almost thousand yards, which was a

0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>far cry from what we saw back in the days

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 2>of Greg McElroy and AJ mccheron with the prototypical drop

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 2>back guy Jim mcwa offenses. Yet, yeah, Jim, Jalen Hurts,

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:17.120
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, was certainly a different kind of quarterback than

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 2>we had seen at Bama, and they found a way

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>to use that to great effect. Overall, this was a

0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Bama team that had nineteen of its twenty two starters

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:31.119
<v Speaker 2>drafted into the league, which is great. Everyone on the

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:36.199
<v Speaker 2>defense got drafted, with the exception of one defensive back. Okay,

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>and like you said, they pretty much rolled everybody. They

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 2>had that old miss shootout, which got a little crazy,

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 2>But the level of talent in this defense was preposterous.

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>I think you sent it over before. I mean, the

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 2>defense was little. Everything here was just preposterous on the

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 2>defensive side of the ball. In this game, they jump

0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 2>out to a fourteen point lead. Clemson just nibbles. He

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.879
<v Speaker 2>nibbled the way back in the fourth quarter was nuts.

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Clemson outscores Bama twenty one to seven, including a two

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>yard touchdown pass to Hunter Renfro with one second left,

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>which gave Clemson the win, gave the Sean Watson that

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>signature victory. Jalen Hurts did of trouble against his Clemson defense,

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.400
<v Speaker 2>but this was still a team that I look back,

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I say they're better than O five USC. Just they

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>had the defense. They had so much talent on offense.

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it wasn't quite ramped up to where it eventually

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>would go, but the level of talent to me was

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 2>just so superior on this team that I got to

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 2>give them the nod.

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to agree, And especially with what if

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>we're going to specifically compare against the USC defense of

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five. The best of Jalen Hurts in

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen is using his legs, and so he would

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to move the ball that way against

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 1>SC and I think you're right. I mean, it's a

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>tough comparison with this team against the other four teams

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.959
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. I still have them against ahead of

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen Clemson, even though I would happily take Deshaun

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Watson over Jalen Hurts running my potential national championship team.

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 1>The defense is just that stupid in twenty sixteen. So

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>it's what Reuben Foster, Ronnie Harrison, Jonathan Allen up front,

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 1>both Minka Fitzpatrick and Marlon Humphrey, Anthony Averetts, Dalvin Tomlinson,

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Shawn Dion Hamilton, these are It's annoying that a player

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>like I think Deron Payne was a rotation guy on

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>this team, Eddie Jackson in the back end, DeShawn Han's

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:34.679
<v Speaker 1>a rotation guy. So I just when something is to

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.919
<v Speaker 1>that extreme, I'm just going to give them the nods.

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 1>So a really impressive year, and this was also the year,

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>if you remember, Lane Kiffin is sort of asked to

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>leave after the Washington semi as he takes the Fau

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>job and it becomes sort of a distraction, and so

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Sark takes over. He has one game to call in

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.919
<v Speaker 1>the National Championship game. Wasn't particularly a pretty day for

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Alabama's offense, but that's kind of one hand behind your back,

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 1>so excusable on some level, but not on the winning level.

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Clemson takes at thirty five to thirty one and wins

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>every moment, including that Hunter Renfro winning catch at the

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 1>very end, which If your team wins on a pick play,

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>it's part of football. If your team loses on a

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>pick play, it's a dastardly penalty. And that's how it ended,

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>all right.

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>So moving on then to twenty seventeen. This show is

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 2>nothing if not smoothly transitioning from one season to the next.

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's because all the same teams are involved, like

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>every year. Yeah, correct, Bama gets back to this title game,

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>this time though squaring off against a common SECFO there

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 2>up against Georgia. Now, Georgia had a very interesting year.

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned at the top with twenty fifteen Clemson how

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 2>their win over Notre Dame kind of shade in my

0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>view of them. Seventeen Oria falls into the same category.

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>This time. It was stuck in my crawl all year

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>because I legit felt like Notre Dame should have won

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 1>that game.

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Second game of the year. Shot to provide context. Second

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 2>game of the year, Jake From makes his first start

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>on the road. Jake Easton got hurt, and From steps

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>in and goes to South Bend, does just enough to win,

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't turn the ball over. You know how we talk

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>about Alabama and how they took Jalen Hurts and they

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 2>found a way to open things up and change the

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>offense forever more. The exact opposite happened really with Jake

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>FROMM and Georgia, and certainly in year one he was

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 2>more of that prototypical drop back dare I say game

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>manager style. They ran the ball a lot this year.

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Nick Chubb, Sony Michelle DeAndre Swift that try as well.

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>They should have, by the way, with those.

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh yeah, and they're line I mean, they're very, very

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 2>good and stout up front. But collectively those three guys

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 2>rushed four hundred and sixty times for almost thirty two

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards and thirty four touchdowns. Like there was there

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>was no debate over what the strength of this offense was.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Right right, totally.

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 2>This is a team that lost on the road, believe

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>it or not, at Auburn by a forty to seventeen

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>score in mid November. They eventually do work their way

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 2>into the College Football playoff. In that playoff game, then

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 2>he double overtime to knock off Oklahoma great game, fifty

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 2>four to forty eight, and then they went overtime again,

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 2>this time they lose twenty six to two, twenty three

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to the Alabama Crimson Tide. This one was in Atlanta.

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>We actually did interviews on Facebook.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember mccol hardman being very nice, very nice

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>this game.

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 2>This loss for Georgia was notable because this was the

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to A game, Right, This is where to to A

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>cemented his legacy in college football.

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, TWA comes in at halftime after j Aalen hurts

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>is ineffective in the first half. I don't believe they

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>get on the board, right, Alabama in the first half

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of this game. And so Tua comes in and throws

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>some good, throws some bad, and then throws some all

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>time excellence in the game winning throw to Devonte Smith.

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>So some context about this season, I think you covered

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it. Yes, true freshman and Jake from

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>stepping in the fact that they're able to get to

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the National Championship game, the fact that they're able to

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>win a double overtime game against Baker Mayfield and Oklahoma

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>with that true freshman in that duel, that's just crazy impressive.

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Should say, it's the first team we've discussed of these

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>first three that has not only lost a regular season

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>game twenty fifteen clumps in twenty six Alabama both go

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>undefeated during the regular season, they get shellacked by Auburn.

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>This is the best Auburn defense of the modern era,

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and seventeen Auburn defense. Yes. And the

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>great news for Georgia though, is in the case to

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>get into the National Championship game. I suppose into the playoff,

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>they have a second chance at Auburn in the SEC

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Championship game, who had just dispatched Jalen Hurts and Alabama

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in the SEC championship in the Iron Bowl excuse me,

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty six, thirteen fourteen, something like that, And so Georgia

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>does have that opportunity to say we have dramatically improved

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>or gotten our act together since I think it was

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Week nine or ten against Auburn on the road on

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a neutral site. They comfortably beat Auburn, and then they

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>get to Alabama in the National Championship Game and play

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>an incredible first half defensively against Jalen Hurts, really demoralized

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the entire Alabama team with how well they have played

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>on defense and ultimately can't beat Alabama's backup, who we

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>now know is amazing. But if there's something working against

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Georgia in the case for the best of these five

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>teams or beating two thousand and five USC. It is

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that against a cold quarterback who does have experience playing

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>in this offense and blowouts over the course of this season,

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>they eventually lose to a old backup quarterback. So the

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>case is that they're a complete team, loaded at running

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>back and defense, so talented, like I mentioned, but there

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>are a couple things holding me back, and it is

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that that blowout loss to Auburn, and it is the

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>fact that a backup quarterback can come in and whether

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>an incredible I think it's Meltucker coordinating this defense and

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>just lose the big moment at the end.

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about this team is, you know, backup quarterback,

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>he comes in, he's able to lead the offense. Had

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>a really good campaign as a true freshman, no doubt

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh was able to utilize that rushing attack and

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>win some games ugly but very effectively.

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Nonetheless, they obviously make it to the National Championship game.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>They had a very good chance of winning this game.

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>They scored first in overtime. If it's not for that

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to a pass, maybe they win.

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Very good season.

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 2>But you look at this roster, and you think to yourself,

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 2>this was a team that was led by defense, right,

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>this is a defensive team.

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is Rokwan Smith, DeAndre Walker, Lorenzo Carter, Jonathan Ledbetter.

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're talented on all three levels. These are

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>NFL players.

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Only two guys got drafted into the league on that defense,

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>from Kwan Smith and DeAndre Baker. Nine of their starters

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 2>were drafted from offense.

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, didn't.

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Get much a Clinton talking about the following season or old.

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just talking overall in general.

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, So a pretty good collection of talent on offense,

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 2>whether they got drafted in the you know, a draft

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>immediately following the National championship, or at some point later

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>in their careers.

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Walker was drafted.

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>To be clear anyway, with regard to this game, the

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>two a game, Georgia led thirteen to nothing in half.

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 2>As you said, they shut out Alabama first half. They

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>lead twenty to seven way through the third quarter, and

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>then Tua Tua sort of takes over in the second half.

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>He's out there just immediately takes the rings, takes charge.

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Those three touchdowns for Bama in one half of work.

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>He throws one inside four minutes to tie it up.

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>He has to weather the storm as Georgia gets the

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>ball first an ot and kicks a field goal. They're

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>down twenty three to twenty and then of course that

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>perfect forty one yard strike to Devonte Smith to give

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Bama the walk off win, to again cement his own

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>legacy as part of college football lore. He's obviously gone

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 2>onto great things in college football and in his time

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>at Alabama. A heartbreaking loss for the Georgia ball talks,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to say the least, to.

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Get this close.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>For what it's worth, it's not like this loss knocked

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Georgia off its trajectory. They're still in a very very

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>good spot. They're going to have some turnover at quarterback,

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and we can obviously talk about that as we get

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 2>more into previews, but the team and the program are

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>still in a very good spot. They were just so

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>close here. This is such a stomach punch. If you

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>were a Georgia Bulldogs fan, I.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Would argue Jake from never really was the same, that

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>he kind of regressed, and that's a coordinator thing. It's

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a talent thing, and it's not as if in these

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>were good wide receivers. They didn't have a killer at

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.959
<v Speaker 1>receiver this year. It's what Javon Whims, Terry Godwin, McCole,

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Hardman hadn't fully come into his own in twenty seventeen,

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>so they were led ground game wise. On offense, they

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>just I don't think they had the complete look of

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a downfield a consistent downfield attack if that's what they needed. Now.

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously they score fifty two in double overtime against Oklahoma,

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 1>so they can keep up with the best offensively. It's

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>not an actual big picture issue. But if you're comparing

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>them against previous years and previous downfield attacks, receiving corps, quarterbacks, whatever,

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe if we're in the margins here, that's where you

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>can knock Georgia a little bit, all right, So where.

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Do they stand? Where do they stand? If we're doing

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the comparison, not just to five USC but twenty sixteen Alabama.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Bbama and yeah, yeah, So I have I have in

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>my rankings of these five teams right now, it's sort

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of inn order. I have the bottom number five, twenty

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>fifteen Clemson, number four twenty sixteen Alabama, and then number

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>three I have twenty seventeen Georgia, so I actually have

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 1>it in sort of I guess chronological or reverse chronological

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>order thus far.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I agree with that.

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I hate the blowout loss, I really do. If we're

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 1>if we're nitpicking the blowout loss to Auburn. I think

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>they even were favorites against Jared Stidham and the Tigers,

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and that I mean that plays perfectly into my you know,

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>always always always take home dogs with good defenses in

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>tough places to play, and that worked out.

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>I think without the loss, and maybe with more of

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 2>a passing component, I'm inclined to go Georgia over that

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>five USC. But I don't think. I don't think the

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>final version of that team very very good. Don't get

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 2>me wrong, I don't. I don't think I can make

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that case, not to you, not to myself, that they're

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>better than our five.

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 1>So see, yeah, I am. Yeah, I go back and forth.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think it's a good game.

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Final two now, twenty eighteen, again is Alabama. Alabama loses

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 2>forty four to sixteen to Clemson. This is the game

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 2>they played in Santa Clara. This is an awesome team.

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 2>This was a death machine that we talked about all year.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.879
<v Speaker 2>They killed almost everyone they played. They were number one

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 2>from the start of the year all the way through

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 2>until they lost that title game to Clemson. TUA through

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>forty three touchdowns to just six interceptions and didn't run much.

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>He didn't have to. They were trying to keep them

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>up right, murder machine.

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>He did run into a buzzsaw that was Clemson and

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Trevor will Lawrence in that title game. But I know

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>just from looking at your rankings that you've got twenty

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 2>eighteen Alabama as not just the top team of these five,

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 2>but maybe just like the top team in general of

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 2>all the teams that we've discussed.

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, So it brings up an interesting question. What do

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>we consider twenty eighteen Alabama to be. Are they the

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine to nothing team over LSU in Baton Rouge

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>with a largely healthy TOUA and defense, or are they

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>beat up to he gets beat up in the I

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 1>guess it's Georgia and the SEC Championship game. Beats is

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>good enough to beat Oklahoma, but certainly doesn't look like

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>himself because he's playing an all time great Clemson team

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>in the in the National Championship. But if we are

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>saying in a vacuum big picture, are we saying these

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 1>teams at full health? I think we should, Okay, just

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>making sure because we are. I'm not saying it's an excuse,

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>but I want to if I'm comparing twenty eighteen Bama

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>against all the other teams and against USC, I'm going

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.399
<v Speaker 1>to take that tact. You can adjust accordingly. If you're

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>listening to this, or if you are Tie hilden Brent

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and also listening to this, I have twenty eighteen Alabama

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 1>on top, and it is it's that murder machine thing.

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>It's that incredible offense. It's a defense that while not

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven or even what twenty sixteen amazing is still great,

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>is still capital e elite, and I still feel like

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>even with the result, the best of Alabama is probably

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>neck and neck and not losing was forty four to

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>sixteen against Clemson. They're not You know, this is all

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 1>hypothetical because we actually know what happened when the two played,

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and that was Alabama wasn't able to take advantage of

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>scoring opportunities because Clemson's defense was incredible and Trevor Lawrence

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 1>was able to complete pin pin pin pinpoint passes. Over

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and over again to what Justin Ross and t Higgins

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:02.319
<v Speaker 1>in Alabama with a backing core that'speed up, with a

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>secondary that's not where it had been and not where

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>it should be, was unable to get in front of

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence Passes. So I still think the best of

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 1>this Alabama team, which is to a healthy not as

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>good as twenty eighteen Clemson, but better than twenty sixteen

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Bama twenty fifteen Clemson, twenty seventeen Georgia, a fully realized

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>to a murder machine, to a murder machine. Yes, absolutely,

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>when they really open up the RPO game, when they

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.320
<v Speaker 1>really are just it's it's there. This is a bottom

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>line team. And I don't mean bottom line they're great.

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean the literal ESPN bottom line where they are

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.720
<v Speaker 1>forty seven seconds into a game and they're up twenty

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 1>one to nothing. That sort of murder machine where you're

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>like somebody screwed up in Bristol in typing in the

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>data and typing in the score or whatever some sort

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of feed is off, turns out not so much. That's

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 1>when you have murder machine status, just like LSU had

0:39:58.520 --> 0:39:59.240
<v Speaker 1>this past season.

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Do you find yourself bored bored at how good some

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>of these teams were, and perhaps how we please explain

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>well how it shaded you as just a fan. There

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>is sort of this feeling of inevitability with regard to

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>both Alabama and Clemson. We're going to talk about Clemson

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 2>again nineteen season, right of course we are.

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>This is Alabama Clemson with one Georgia. Yeah yeah, so.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And this is not just me saying it. We've had

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>people right in.

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>We've read it on Twitter, We've heard other people talk

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 2>about it. How the sheer dominance by these two schools

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 2>have really affected how we feel as fans, that notion

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 2>that it's already somewhat decided even as we start week

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>one of the season, we perhaps come at it from

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a different angle. Being so we

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>cover everything, we try to have fun with it. But

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine if you're not in our shoes, if

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 2>you're watching just from your own team's perspective. Maybe you're

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 2>a I don't know, maybe you're a Mississippi State fan

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>or an old missfan, and knowing that you've got these

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:10.919
<v Speaker 2>Juggernauts in the South in your own conference. It makes

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 2>it an interesting proposition, doesn't it.

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I think so. But at the same time, if we're

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>looking back and we're looking at the roster and we're

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>looking at what we now know about Tua, what we

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>now know about Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs, Jalen Wattle, Oj

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Howard's gone by then DeVante Smith we had seen at

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>this point, and then a running back core of I

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>believe it's Damien Harris, Josh Jacobs and Nase Harris, Harris

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Ranch as we like to call it. Sure, it's what

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it should have been. They just they basically hit their

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>expectation ceiling, or maybe they surpassed reasonable expectations given what

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>we had seen from Nick Saban and Alabama offenses in

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>years past. But we now know that this all makes sense.

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It's there's some teams where you look back and you say,

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>how did this team lead the nation in offensive efficiency

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.320
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and you're like, Okay, they had this single

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>great player or whatever. It would have been very difficult.

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And you can look at those Oklahoma teams with Lincoln Riley, whatever,

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>but it would have been very difficult looking back at

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>this Alabama team and saying they're not all that dominant.

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>So I in terms of boredom, yes, because I like

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>watching games that are back and forth to some level

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:21.839
<v Speaker 1>and that are interesting in the middle of the third

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>quarter or even the middle of the second quarter. But

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, this Alabama team lost when they

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 1>were on the biggest possible stage that counts. I mean,

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that's at least something and not only they lose. And

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>the case against this Alabama team is that they got

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed in their biggest possible game. They got embarrassed. They

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>need Jalen Hurts to pull out the SEC Championship game

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>against Georgia Oklahoma. They're able to hold them down in

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, and the Sooners, you know, come back with

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Kyler Murray impressively, but don't really have a full chance

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>in the opening round of the College Football Playoff. But

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 1>to shut out LSU, to shut out a ranked Mississippi

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>State team, to just completely lay waste and barrass everybody

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.439
<v Speaker 1>else they play, I'm bored by it. But I don't

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>have to rewatch and live it right now, so I

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 1>can just sit back and be impressed. And that's that's fine.

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with it.

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I put twenty eighteen Alabama at the top of this list.

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Same at the top of this list, not just on

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 2>this episode, the whole thing.

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's I mean, if we're going I mean we're

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>going into obviously twenty nineteen Clemson next, because that's all

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that's left. But a difference to me between two teams

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that just get run out of the stadium on the

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 1>on the national championship stage. Alabama in twenty eighteen, here's

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 1>a full list of their close calls. Georgia in the

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.839
<v Speaker 1>SEC Championship game. That's it, and that's the number four

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>team in the country. They score fifty against Auburn, and

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>then as we mentioned, I think it's it's a combined

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 1>fifty plus to nothing against Mississippi State and LSU and

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>consecutive weeks. And that's in baton rouge. So in terms

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of close calls during the actual regular season, that doesn't exist.

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Clemson in twenty nineteen has the North Carolina game. Yeah,

0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and they have an acc that is pretty putrid. So

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that's the lean to me of two teams that got

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>run out of the stadium on the biggest stage. I'm

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>going with that Alabama offense at.

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Full health that leads us to our final team here.

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can I back up real quick? Can I back up?

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Real quick, how did Clemson get to I mean, they

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>win the national championship in twenty it's the twenty eighteen season.

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Who do they beat to get to Alabama in the

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.359
<v Speaker 1>National Championship game? Oh god, so Clemson takes down Notre

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Dame thirty to three. There are no losers. But if

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>you didn't score double digit points in a playoff game, Washington,

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame, Michigan State, I think during this time you're

0:44:54.800 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 1>getting a little bit closer. Sorry, continue moving on. Sorry,

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want I know people were thinking it and

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>they were like, well, they won't they It's a sort

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 1>of a ross Rachel Notre Dame situation. I just wanted

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to make sure they will. Twenty nineteen, Clemson.

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Killed pretty much everyone but North Carolina and Ohio State.

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I guess in the semi final correct, everyone else they destroyed.

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 2>They finally make it to the National Championship Game. Hopefully

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 2>everyone remembers the National Championship Game only happened a few

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 2>months ago. They lose forty two to twenty five. They

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.240
<v Speaker 2>run into a buzzsaw. The buzz saw is Joe Burrow.

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.800
<v Speaker 2>The buzzsaw is that electric LSU offense. I don't know,

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>if anybody beats them, it's.

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Not even a murder machine, it's a murder cloud. They

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>have so much control. Yeah, ridiculous.

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Even if you thought there was a chance Clemson could

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 2>lose that game to LSU, nobody thought they'd give up

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>forty two points. It was a really good defense. It

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.359
<v Speaker 2>just it speaks volumes about how good Ls's offense was.

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 2>That they were able to just straight up outscore m

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Clemson the way they did killed them.

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely killed them. I arguably the best defense in

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the country Clemson.

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I could make the case that Clemson,

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 2>for all its glory, was still underappreciated because of how

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they rolled through a bad acc Yeah, you didn't get

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>full credit for that.

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're all just we've talked about this during the

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>season to that point. When when was Clemson must watch

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>TV during the regular season? Exactly for the first quarter

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>against random five and seven teams, there was not much.

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Everybody gather around, we think this might be the week

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that Clemson really gets a challenge That just didn't exist.

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 2>We never really even took it seriously that they might lose.

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 2>That's why that's why that UNC game was such a

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.919
<v Speaker 2>pleasant surprise. I'm not rooting against Clemson, but just from

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 2>a TV product standpoint, Yeah, yeah, drama to have competition

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 2>and drama in a Clemson game that was new news, right,

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 2>It's great, absolutely, But they roll through the ACC which

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 2>was down.

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest, it was down.

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>They make it all the way through to that title

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 2>game and they run into this buzzsaw. They'll go down

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.479
<v Speaker 2>in history as losing by seventeen points. This is still

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 2>just a really good team, really good team, really good quarterback,

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>great talent up and down the roster, good solid defense.

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>They're to me second behind twenty eighteen Alabama. If we're

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 2>ranking these teams, they're definitely in front of five USC.

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 1>A couple things, Ty, I think you're correct with everything.

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Should also point out that Ohio State was also a

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.879
<v Speaker 1>team that scored fewer than double digits because they lost

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty one nothing to Clemson on December thirty first, twenty sixteen.

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't want I didn't want to have an

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 1>own mission there of all those of that roundup of

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the non double ditch. Second of all, you're absolutely right,

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I have Clemson behind the twenty nineteen Clemson behind twenty

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>eighteen Alabama in terms of these five teams. But I

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:11.360
<v Speaker 1>think they beat USC just because they're a more complete

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 1>team and Trevor Lawrence offers something dynamic that would be

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>hard for any team at any point in history to handle.

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm also going to hear that, and we'll hear whatever

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>some reaction like, well, they call that a fumble. Ohio State,

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a national championship game and they're built to better

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:34.320
<v Speaker 1>take down LSU. Perhaps. No, No, I'm going to say

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say no on that because Ohio State

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>had opportunities. Ohio State had opportunities against Clemson. They go

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:44.920
<v Speaker 1>up sixteen to nothing, and their next four drives, three

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 1>of which they go three and out, all four of

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 1>they punt, and then the fifth they throw an interception.

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:51.760
<v Speaker 1>They have an opportunity at the end of the game

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and they throw an interception. So we're not talking about

0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 1>a back and forth. We're not talking about fully maximizing

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.919
<v Speaker 1>potential on all offense against a Clemson team never really

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>going through stretches of struggle. We're talking about an Ohio

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 1>State team that made a ton of mistakes. And if

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Clemson is a team that wins by the narrowest of margins,

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 1>able to beat them on an interception to seal things

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.360
<v Speaker 1>at the very end of the game and then get

0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:22.760
<v Speaker 1>run out of the stadium by the LSU Murder Cloud.

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not believing in Ohio State being better suited to

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 1>compete with the Cloud. I'm just not there. So with

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.399
<v Speaker 1>that out of the way, the twenty nineteen Clemson team

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.680
<v Speaker 1>once they got North Carolina, and that's scare and allowing

0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina to milk the clock and sit on the ball.

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Once they got that out of their system and they

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:43.919
<v Speaker 1>get that last second two point conversion stop to beat

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the tar Heels, they were incredible. Yeah, Travis Etn is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the joys that I've personally had watching him

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>since the onset of our show in two thousand and eight,

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>since we started this program, watching Travis Etn in the

0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 1>open field with you know, running the score up to

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.240
<v Speaker 1>such a crazy degree that he's just not playing fourth quarters,

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>that he is making legitimately fast players look slow in

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 1>his wake. He is one of the joys. And obviously

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the emergence of Clemson as wide receiver, you with all

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>these guys they put into the league, with Trevor Lawrence

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 1>coming in as the most heralded quarterback of whatever we

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:23.439
<v Speaker 1>can remember as a recruit and surpassing those expectations. It's

0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 1>been just an amazing watch for me. So I have

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>them nipping on the heels of twenty eighteen Alabama. But still,

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>if we're on the margins, that's where I'm that's where

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm reserving my judgment.

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>This is just such a really good team.

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:39.759
<v Speaker 1>It's so good. I mean, it's impossible to parse. It

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:41.280
<v Speaker 1>really is impossible. It's so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And I sat down in the laboratory shortly before hitting

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 2>record trying to suss out where I came down on

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.879
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen Clemson. And part of this is made harder

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 2>by the fact that it's just so recent. I don't

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 2>have the benefit of looking back five years in that

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 2>perspective comparing them to teams that came out after, and

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>so you know, maybe with some age they will grow

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.400
<v Speaker 2>even fonder in my mind, But at least as it

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 2>stands now, it's like part of me can't believe they lost.

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.240
<v Speaker 1>I still can't believe that they lost.

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.399
<v Speaker 2>I can believe the kind of season Joe Burrow had

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and that instant transformation that we saw at LSU that

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 2>will go down in college football history. Is perhaps the

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 2>greatest season of all time from an offensive standpoint, But

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 2>this is still such a dominant Clemson squad. The fact

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that they lost in the manner that they did it

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 2>highlights how good LSU was, and it still seems a

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>little surreal to me.

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of the cases here are twenty fifteen

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Clemson wasn't fully there. They lose to an Alabama team

0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 1>with Heisman Trophy winner, with just a ton of talent,

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and even like the twenty sixteen Alabama team is great

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and in many years they're winning the national championship, and

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 1>they run into a once in a lifetime twenty sixteen

0:51:55.719 --> 0:52:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Deshaun Watson led Clemson team and then Georgia that in

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of years they're good enough to win the

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>national championship. They run into a once in a lifetime

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 1>backup quarterback star and lose on a once in a

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 1>lifetime maybe the best and most dramatically successful pass of

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>all time. I mean, just we're talking about thin margins,

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.160
<v Speaker 1>where like these teams aren't good enough in most years

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to hold up the whatever the college football trophy is called,

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the Hancock Trophy, I don't know what it's called, and

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 1>then Clemson just with how complete they are on both

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.200
<v Speaker 1>sides of all, replacing what they did on the defensive

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>line from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen and not missing

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a beat at all, in fact, with Isaiah Simmons becoming

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>even more creative with how they move players around their defense,

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and they run into the best college football offense of

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 1>all time, yeah, the best. Yeah. And so there's just

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a certain degree of and it's not even losing moments.

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it is it's just plain old dumb luck, that's

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.320
<v Speaker 1>all it is. No Jamar Chase two hundred and twenty

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 1>one yards wins the Bolittnikov out of nowhere, out of

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:11.800
<v Speaker 1>friggin nowhere. Joe Burrow has an encouraging season in twenty

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 1>eighteen and twenty eighteen, and then in twenty nineteen just

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 1>obliterates everything. Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Oh, I see he's a

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>nice back turns into what are we supposed to do

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 1>with this guy? What the hell are we supposed to

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>do with Clyde? And so sometimes it's just bad friggin' luck.

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Bad friggin' luck. All right, let's rank these out here

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and call it a day. I've got I think the

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 2>same ranking as you, twenty eighteen Alabama, twenty nineteen Clemson,

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen Georgia, twenty sixteen Alabama, and twenty fifteen Clemson.

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I have, and I think there's a

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 1>good case for each of these teams. I'm going to

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 1>go with Georgia having the worst case as for beating

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.320
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five USC, but still a pretty damn

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>good case. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well that does it for our first place losers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think moving forward, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>that we're ramping up. This is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, Daniel, this has been fun. Thanks for hanging

0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.280
<v Speaker 2>with me. Thank you to everyone out there for hanging

0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:50.320
<v Speaker 2>with us as we go through all these great seasons

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:54.439
<v Speaker 2>in college football. Some more disappointing than others, but fun

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 2>nonetheless to walk back through fifteen years of college football

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<v Speaker 2>runners up. A lot of fun for that guy over there,

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hilding Brand.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, everyone, stay solid, stay safe, wash your hands,

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<v Speaker 2>and we catch you all in a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace,