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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'm that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: for dake Edo State? Is that woo woom? And Dan

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal. Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: The one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably as tan right now as I was when

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Speaker 1: I came home from my honeymoon tie, which is to say,

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Speaker 1: feeling pretty good. I'm using a lot of alo Vera

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Dan, I am doing well. It's good

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Speaker 2: to be with you once more. Today we are going

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Speaker 2: to be going through the final chapter of our First

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Speaker 2: Place Losers series that we've been running now for a

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Speaker 2: couple episodes. We're doing two thousand and what fifteen through

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the twenty fifteen seasons through the twenty nineteen seasons,

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Speaker 1: So technically speaking, it's the twenty sixteen College Football Playoff

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Speaker 1: National Championship runner up through the twenty twenty runner up.

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Speaker 1: Is my math correct correct? I believe that's it?

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Speaker 2: doing a lot more on Instagram lately thanks to your handiwork, Daniel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, throw us a follow on the gram Ty, we're

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Speaker 1: that's not reason enough to follow us on Instagram, I

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Speaker 2: You hit it best like two weeks ago, and you

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I think that's where we're at with things. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, movingpieces, solidverbal dot com, the newsletter, all those various

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Speaker 1: places we're adding. We're just adding pieces of content ty

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Speaker 1: as we hopefully I think we're about one hundred days

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Speaker 1: June eighth, the pact. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa. Yeah, Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, should also add, if you're not paying attention to

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Speaker 2: So with all that stuff out of the way, Dan,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about first Place Losers Part three. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: There there's simply no avoiding it. We've also reached the point,

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Speaker 1: even comparing eras is difficult, and now two generations, three

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Speaker 2: So let's start here with twenty fifteen Clemson. What's interesting

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Speaker 2: about this show, and you've had we had one with

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Speaker 2: we're going to have it multiple times here with part three,

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Speaker 2: because we've got Clemson twice, we've got Alabama twice, and

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Speaker 2: He threw for thirty five touchdowns over forty one hundred yards.

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Speaker 2: The playoff games are on New Year's Eve. This is

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Speaker 1: Two teams who struggled with big moments on the big stage.

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Speaker 2: had that old miss shootout, which got a little crazy,

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Speaker 2: But the level of talent in this defense was preposterous.

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Speaker 2: I think you sent it over before. I mean, the

435
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Speaker 2: defense was little. Everything here was just preposterous on the

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Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. In this game, they jump

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Speaker 2: out to a fourteen point lead. Clemson just nibbles. He

438
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Speaker 2: nibbled the way back in the fourth quarter was nuts.

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Speaker 2: Clemson outscores Bama twenty one to seven, including a two

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Speaker 2: yard touchdown pass to Hunter Renfro with one second left,

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Speaker 2: which gave Clemson the win, gave the Sean Watson that

442
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Speaker 2: signature victory. Jalen Hurts did of trouble against his Clemson defense,

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Speaker 2: but this was still a team that I look back,

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Speaker 2: I say they're better than O five USC. Just they

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Speaker 2: had the defense. They had so much talent on offense.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't quite ramped up to where it eventually

447
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Speaker 2: would go, but the level of talent to me was

448
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Speaker 2: just so superior on this team that I got to

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Speaker 2: give them the nod.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to agree, And especially with what if

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Speaker 1: we're going to specifically compare against the USC defense of

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five. The best of Jalen Hurts in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen is using his legs, and so he would

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Speaker 1: have been able to move the ball that way against

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Speaker 1: SC and I think you're right. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: tough comparison with this team against the other four teams

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. I still have them against ahead of

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Clemson, even though I would happily take Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson over Jalen Hurts running my potential national championship team.

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Speaker 1: The defense is just that stupid in twenty sixteen. So

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Speaker 1: it's what Reuben Foster, Ronnie Harrison, Jonathan Allen up front,

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Speaker 1: both Minka Fitzpatrick and Marlon Humphrey, Anthony Averetts, Dalvin Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: Shawn Dion Hamilton, these are It's annoying that a player

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Speaker 1: like I think Deron Payne was a rotation guy on

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Speaker 1: this team, Eddie Jackson in the back end, DeShawn Han's

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Speaker 1: a rotation guy. So I just when something is to

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Speaker 1: that extreme, I'm just going to give them the nods.

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Speaker 1: So a really impressive year, and this was also the year,

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Speaker 1: if you remember, Lane Kiffin is sort of asked to

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Speaker 1: leave after the Washington semi as he takes the Fau

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Speaker 1: job and it becomes sort of a distraction, and so

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Speaker 1: Sark takes over. He has one game to call in

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Speaker 1: the National Championship game. Wasn't particularly a pretty day for

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Speaker 1: Alabama's offense, but that's kind of one hand behind your back,

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Speaker 1: so excusable on some level, but not on the winning level.

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Speaker 1: Clemson takes at thirty five to thirty one and wins

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Speaker 1: every moment, including that Hunter Renfro winning catch at the

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Speaker 1: very end, which If your team wins on a pick play,

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Speaker 1: it's part of football. If your team loses on a

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Speaker 1: pick play, it's a dastardly penalty. And that's how it ended,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: So moving on then to twenty seventeen. This show is

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Speaker 2: nothing if not smoothly transitioning from one season to the next.

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Speaker 2: And that's because all the same teams are involved, like

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Speaker 2: every year. Yeah, correct, Bama gets back to this title game,

486
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Speaker 2: this time though squaring off against a common SECFO there

487
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Speaker 2: up against Georgia. Now, Georgia had a very interesting year.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned at the top with twenty fifteen Clemson how

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Speaker 2: their win over Notre Dame kind of shade in my

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Speaker 2: view of them. Seventeen Oria falls into the same category.

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Speaker 1: This time. It was stuck in my crawl all year

492
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Speaker 1: because I legit felt like Notre Dame should have won

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Speaker 1: that game.

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Speaker 2: Second game of the year. Shot to provide context. Second

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Speaker 2: game of the year, Jake From makes his first start

496
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Speaker 2: on the road. Jake Easton got hurt, and From steps

497
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Speaker 2: in and goes to South Bend, does just enough to win,

498
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Speaker 2: doesn't turn the ball over. You know how we talk

499
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Speaker 2: about Alabama and how they took Jalen Hurts and they

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Speaker 2: found a way to open things up and change the

501
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Speaker 2: offense forever more. The exact opposite happened really with Jake

502
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Speaker 2: FROMM and Georgia, and certainly in year one he was

503
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Speaker 2: more of that prototypical drop back dare I say game

504
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Speaker 2: manager style. They ran the ball a lot this year.

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Speaker 2: Nick Chubb, Sony Michelle DeAndre Swift that try as well.

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Speaker 1: They should have, by the way, with those.

507
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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, and they're line I mean, they're very, very

508
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: good and stout up front. But collectively those three guys

509
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: rushed four hundred and sixty times for almost thirty two

510
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Speaker 2: hundred yards and thirty four touchdowns. Like there was there

511
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: was no debate over what the strength of this offense was.

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Speaker 1: Right right, totally.

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Speaker 2: This is a team that lost on the road, believe

514
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Speaker 2: it or not, at Auburn by a forty to seventeen

515
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Speaker 2: score in mid November. They eventually do work their way

516
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Speaker 2: into the College Football playoff. In that playoff game, then

517
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: he double overtime to knock off Oklahoma great game, fifty

518
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Speaker 2: four to forty eight, and then they went overtime again,

519
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Speaker 2: this time they lose twenty six to two, twenty three

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Speaker 2: to the Alabama Crimson Tide. This one was in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: We actually did interviews on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember mccol hardman being very nice, very nice

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Speaker 1: this game.

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Speaker 2: This loss for Georgia was notable because this was the

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Speaker 2: to A game, Right, This is where to to A

526
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Speaker 2: cemented his legacy in college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, TWA comes in at halftime after j Aalen hurts

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Speaker 1: is ineffective in the first half. I don't believe they

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Speaker 1: get on the board, right, Alabama in the first half

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Speaker 1: of this game. And so Tua comes in and throws

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Speaker 1: some good, throws some bad, and then throws some all

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Speaker 1: time excellence in the game winning throw to Devonte Smith.

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Speaker 1: So some context about this season, I think you covered

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Speaker 1: a lot of it. Yes, true freshman and Jake from

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Speaker 1: stepping in the fact that they're able to get to

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Speaker 1: the National Championship game, the fact that they're able to

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Speaker 1: win a double overtime game against Baker Mayfield and Oklahoma

538
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Speaker 1: with that true freshman in that duel, that's just crazy impressive.

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Speaker 1: Should say, it's the first team we've discussed of these

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Speaker 1: first three that has not only lost a regular season

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Speaker 1: game twenty fifteen clumps in twenty six Alabama both go

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Speaker 1: undefeated during the regular season, they get shellacked by Auburn.

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Speaker 1: This is the best Auburn defense of the modern era,

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and seventeen Auburn defense. Yes. And the

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Speaker 1: great news for Georgia though, is in the case to

546
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Speaker 1: get into the National Championship game. I suppose into the playoff,

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Speaker 1: they have a second chance at Auburn in the SEC

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Speaker 1: Championship game, who had just dispatched Jalen Hurts and Alabama

549
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Speaker 1: in the SEC championship in the Iron Bowl excuse me,

550
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Speaker 1: twenty six, thirteen fourteen, something like that, And so Georgia

551
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Speaker 1: does have that opportunity to say we have dramatically improved

552
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Speaker 1: or gotten our act together since I think it was

553
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Speaker 1: Week nine or ten against Auburn on the road on

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Speaker 1: a neutral site. They comfortably beat Auburn, and then they

555
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Speaker 1: get to Alabama in the National Championship Game and play

556
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Speaker 1: an incredible first half defensively against Jalen Hurts, really demoralized

557
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Speaker 1: the entire Alabama team with how well they have played

558
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Speaker 1: on defense and ultimately can't beat Alabama's backup, who we

559
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Speaker 1: now know is amazing. But if there's something working against

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Speaker 1: Georgia in the case for the best of these five

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Speaker 1: teams or beating two thousand and five USC. It is

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Speaker 1: that against a cold quarterback who does have experience playing

563
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Speaker 1: in this offense and blowouts over the course of this season,

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Speaker 1: they eventually lose to a old backup quarterback. So the

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Speaker 1: case is that they're a complete team, loaded at running

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Speaker 1: back and defense, so talented, like I mentioned, but there

567
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Speaker 1: are a couple things holding me back, and it is

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Speaker 1: that that blowout loss to Auburn, and it is the

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Speaker 1: fact that a backup quarterback can come in and whether

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Speaker 1: an incredible I think it's Meltucker coordinating this defense and

571
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Speaker 1: just lose the big moment at the end.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about this team is, you know, backup quarterback,

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Speaker 2: he comes in, he's able to lead the offense. Had

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Speaker 2: a really good campaign as a true freshman, no doubt

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh was able to utilize that rushing attack and

577
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: win some games ugly but very effectively.

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, they obviously make it to the National Championship game.

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Speaker 2: They had a very good chance of winning this game.

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Speaker 2: They scored first in overtime. If it's not for that

581
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Speaker 2: to a pass, maybe they win.

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Speaker 1: Very good season.

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Speaker 2: But you look at this roster, and you think to yourself,

584
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Speaker 2: this was a team that was led by defense, right,

585
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Speaker 2: this is a defensive team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Rokwan Smith, DeAndre Walker, Lorenzo Carter, Jonathan Ledbetter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're talented on all three levels. These are

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Speaker 1: NFL players.

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Speaker 2: Only two guys got drafted into the league on that defense,

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Speaker 2: from Kwan Smith and DeAndre Baker. Nine of their starters

591
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Speaker 2: were drafted from offense.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, didn't.

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Speaker 2: Get much a Clinton talking about the following season or old.

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking overall in general.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So a pretty good collection of talent on offense,

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Speaker 2: whether they got drafted in the you know, a draft

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Speaker 2: immediately following the National championship, or at some point later

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Speaker 2: in their careers.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Walker was drafted.

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Speaker 2: To be clear anyway, with regard to this game, the

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Speaker 2: two a game, Georgia led thirteen to nothing in half.

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Speaker 2: As you said, they shut out Alabama first half. They

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Speaker 2: lead twenty to seven way through the third quarter, and

604
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: then Tua Tua sort of takes over in the second half.

605
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Speaker 2: He's out there just immediately takes the rings, takes charge.

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Speaker 2: Those three touchdowns for Bama in one half of work.

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Speaker 2: He throws one inside four minutes to tie it up.

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Speaker 2: He has to weather the storm as Georgia gets the

609
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Speaker 2: ball first an ot and kicks a field goal. They're

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Speaker 2: down twenty three to twenty and then of course that

611
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: perfect forty one yard strike to Devonte Smith to give

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Speaker 2: Bama the walk off win, to again cement his own

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Speaker 2: legacy as part of college football lore. He's obviously gone

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Speaker 2: onto great things in college football and in his time

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Speaker 2: at Alabama. A heartbreaking loss for the Georgia ball talks,

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Speaker 2: to say the least, to.

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Speaker 1: Get this close.

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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, it's not like this loss knocked

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Speaker 2: Georgia off its trajectory. They're still in a very very

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Speaker 2: good spot. They're going to have some turnover at quarterback,

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Speaker 2: and we can obviously talk about that as we get

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Speaker 2: more into previews, but the team and the program are

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Speaker 2: still in a very good spot. They were just so

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Speaker 2: close here. This is such a stomach punch. If you

625
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Speaker 2: were a Georgia Bulldogs fan, I.

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Speaker 1: Would argue Jake from never really was the same, that

627
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: he kind of regressed, and that's a coordinator thing. It's

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: a talent thing, and it's not as if in these

629
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: were good wide receivers. They didn't have a killer at

630
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: receiver this year. It's what Javon Whims, Terry Godwin, McCole,

631
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Speaker 1: Hardman hadn't fully come into his own in twenty seventeen,

632
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: so they were led ground game wise. On offense, they

633
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Speaker 1: just I don't think they had the complete look of

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Speaker 1: a downfield a consistent downfield attack if that's what they needed. Now.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they score fifty two in double overtime against Oklahoma,

636
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Speaker 1: so they can keep up with the best offensively. It's

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00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: not an actual big picture issue. But if you're comparing

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00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: them against previous years and previous downfield attacks, receiving corps, quarterbacks, whatever,

639
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: maybe if we're in the margins here, that's where you

640
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: can knock Georgia a little bit, all right, So where.

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Speaker 2: Do they stand? Where do they stand? If we're doing

642
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: the comparison, not just to five USC but twenty sixteen Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Bbama and yeah, yeah, So I have I have in

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Speaker 1: my rankings of these five teams right now, it's sort

645
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Speaker 1: of inn order. I have the bottom number five, twenty

646
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Speaker 1: fifteen Clemson, number four twenty sixteen Alabama, and then number

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Speaker 1: three I have twenty seventeen Georgia, so I actually have

648
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: it in sort of I guess chronological or reverse chronological

649
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: order thus far.

650
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree with that.

651
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: I hate the blowout loss, I really do. If we're

652
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: if we're nitpicking the blowout loss to Auburn. I think

653
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: they even were favorites against Jared Stidham and the Tigers,

654
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: and that I mean that plays perfectly into my you know,

655
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: always always always take home dogs with good defenses in

656
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: tough places to play, and that worked out.

657
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: I think without the loss, and maybe with more of

658
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: a passing component, I'm inclined to go Georgia over that

659
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: five USC. But I don't think. I don't think the

660
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: final version of that team very very good. Don't get

661
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: me wrong, I don't. I don't think I can make

662
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: that case, not to you, not to myself, that they're

663
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: better than our five.

664
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: So see, yeah, I am. Yeah, I go back and forth.

665
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's a good game.

666
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: Final two now, twenty eighteen, again is Alabama. Alabama loses

667
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: forty four to sixteen to Clemson. This is the game

668
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: they played in Santa Clara. This is an awesome team.

669
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: This was a death machine that we talked about all year.

670
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: They killed almost everyone they played. They were number one

671
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: from the start of the year all the way through

672
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: until they lost that title game to Clemson. TUA through

673
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: forty three touchdowns to just six interceptions and didn't run much.

674
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: He didn't have to. They were trying to keep them

675
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: up right, murder machine.

676
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: He did run into a buzzsaw that was Clemson and

677
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: Trevor will Lawrence in that title game. But I know

678
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: just from looking at your rankings that you've got twenty

679
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: eighteen Alabama as not just the top team of these five,

680
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: but maybe just like the top team in general of

681
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: all the teams that we've discussed.

682
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: Well, So it brings up an interesting question. What do

683
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: we consider twenty eighteen Alabama to be. Are they the

684
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: twenty nine to nothing team over LSU in Baton Rouge

685
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: with a largely healthy TOUA and defense, or are they

686
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: beat up to he gets beat up in the I

687
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: guess it's Georgia and the SEC Championship game. Beats is

688
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: good enough to beat Oklahoma, but certainly doesn't look like

689
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: himself because he's playing an all time great Clemson team

690
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: in the in the National Championship. But if we are

691
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: saying in a vacuum big picture, are we saying these

692
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: teams at full health? I think we should, Okay, just

693
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: making sure because we are. I'm not saying it's an excuse,

694
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: but I want to if I'm comparing twenty eighteen Bama

695
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: against all the other teams and against USC, I'm going

696
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: to take that tact. You can adjust accordingly. If you're

697
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: listening to this, or if you are Tie hilden Brent

698
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: and also listening to this, I have twenty eighteen Alabama

699
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: on top, and it is it's that murder machine thing.

700
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: It's that incredible offense. It's a defense that while not

701
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: twenty eleven or even what twenty sixteen amazing is still great,

702
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: is still capital e elite, and I still feel like

703
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: even with the result, the best of Alabama is probably

704
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: neck and neck and not losing was forty four to

705
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: sixteen against Clemson. They're not You know, this is all

706
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: hypothetical because we actually know what happened when the two played,

707
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: and that was Alabama wasn't able to take advantage of

708
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: scoring opportunities because Clemson's defense was incredible and Trevor Lawrence

709
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: was able to complete pin pin pin pinpoint passes. Over

710
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: and over again to what Justin Ross and t Higgins

711
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: in Alabama with a backing core that'speed up, with a

712
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: secondary that's not where it had been and not where

713
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: it should be, was unable to get in front of

714
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Passes. So I still think the best of

715
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: this Alabama team, which is to a healthy not as

716
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: good as twenty eighteen Clemson, but better than twenty sixteen

717
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: Bama twenty fifteen Clemson, twenty seventeen Georgia, a fully realized

718
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: to a murder machine, to a murder machine. Yes, absolutely,

719
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: when they really open up the RPO game, when they

720
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: really are just it's it's there. This is a bottom

721
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: line team. And I don't mean bottom line they're great.

722
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean the literal ESPN bottom line where they are

723
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: forty seven seconds into a game and they're up twenty

724
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: one to nothing. That sort of murder machine where you're

725
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: like somebody screwed up in Bristol in typing in the

726
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: data and typing in the score or whatever some sort

727
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: of feed is off, turns out not so much. That's

728
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: when you have murder machine status, just like LSU had

729
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: this past season.

730
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself bored bored at how good some

731
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: of these teams were, and perhaps how we please explain

732
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: well how it shaded you as just a fan. There

733
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: is sort of this feeling of inevitability with regard to

734
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: both Alabama and Clemson. We're going to talk about Clemson

735
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: again nineteen season, right of course we are.

736
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: This is Alabama Clemson with one Georgia. Yeah yeah, so.

737
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: And this is not just me saying it. We've had

738
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: people right in.

739
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: We've read it on Twitter, We've heard other people talk

740
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: about it. How the sheer dominance by these two schools

741
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: have really affected how we feel as fans, that notion

742
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: that it's already somewhat decided even as we start week

743
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: one of the season, we perhaps come at it from

744
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different angle. Being so we

745
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: cover everything, we try to have fun with it. But

746
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: I can imagine if you're not in our shoes, if

747
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: you're watching just from your own team's perspective. Maybe you're

748
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: a I don't know, maybe you're a Mississippi State fan

749
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: or an old missfan, and knowing that you've got these

750
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: Juggernauts in the South in your own conference. It makes

751
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: it an interesting proposition, doesn't it.

752
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: I think so. But at the same time, if we're

753
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: looking back and we're looking at the roster and we're

754
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: looking at what we now know about Tua, what we

755
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: now know about Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs, Jalen Wattle, Oj

756
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: Howard's gone by then DeVante Smith we had seen at

757
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: this point, and then a running back core of I

758
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: believe it's Damien Harris, Josh Jacobs and Nase Harris, Harris

759
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: Ranch as we like to call it. Sure, it's what

760
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: it should have been. They just they basically hit their

761
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: expectation ceiling, or maybe they surpassed reasonable expectations given what

762
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: we had seen from Nick Saban and Alabama offenses in

763
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: years past. But we now know that this all makes sense.

764
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: It's there's some teams where you look back and you say,

765
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: how did this team lead the nation in offensive efficiency

766
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you're like, Okay, they had this single

767
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: great player or whatever. It would have been very difficult.

768
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: And you can look at those Oklahoma teams with Lincoln Riley, whatever,

769
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: but it would have been very difficult looking back at

770
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: this Alabama team and saying they're not all that dominant.

771
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: So I in terms of boredom, yes, because I like

772
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: watching games that are back and forth to some level

773
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: and that are interesting in the middle of the third

774
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: quarter or even the middle of the second quarter. But

775
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: at the same time, this Alabama team lost when they

776
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: were on the biggest possible stage that counts. I mean,

777
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: that's at least something and not only they lose. And

778
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: the case against this Alabama team is that they got

779
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed in their biggest possible game. They got embarrassed. They

780
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: need Jalen Hurts to pull out the SEC Championship game

781
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: against Georgia Oklahoma. They're able to hold them down in

782
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: the beginning, and the Sooners, you know, come back with

783
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray impressively, but don't really have a full chance

784
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: in the opening round of the College Football Playoff. But

785
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: to shut out LSU, to shut out a ranked Mississippi

786
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: State team, to just completely lay waste and barrass everybody

787
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: else they play, I'm bored by it. But I don't

788
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: have to rewatch and live it right now, so I

789
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: can just sit back and be impressed. And that's that's fine.

790
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it.

791
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: I put twenty eighteen Alabama at the top of this list.

792
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: Same at the top of this list, not just on

793
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: this episode, the whole thing.

794
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's I mean, if we're going I mean we're

795
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: going into obviously twenty nineteen Clemson next, because that's all

796
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: that's left. But a difference to me between two teams

797
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: that just get run out of the stadium on the

798
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: on the national championship stage. Alabama in twenty eighteen, here's

799
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: a full list of their close calls. Georgia in the

800
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: SEC Championship game. That's it, and that's the number four

801
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: team in the country. They score fifty against Auburn, and

802
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: then as we mentioned, I think it's it's a combined

803
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: fifty plus to nothing against Mississippi State and LSU and

804
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: consecutive weeks. And that's in baton rouge. So in terms

805
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: of close calls during the actual regular season, that doesn't exist.

806
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Clemson in twenty nineteen has the North Carolina game. Yeah,

807
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: and they have an acc that is pretty putrid. So

808
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: that's the lean to me of two teams that got

809
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: run out of the stadium on the biggest stage. I'm

810
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: going with that Alabama offense at.

811
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: Full health that leads us to our final team here.

812
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I back up real quick? Can I back up?

813
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: Real quick, how did Clemson get to I mean, they

814
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: win the national championship in twenty it's the twenty eighteen season.

815
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Who do they beat to get to Alabama in the

816
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: National Championship game? Oh god, so Clemson takes down Notre

817
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Dame thirty to three. There are no losers. But if

818
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: you didn't score double digit points in a playoff game, Washington,

819
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Michigan State, I think during this time you're

820
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: getting a little bit closer. Sorry, continue moving on. Sorry,

821
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want I know people were thinking it and

822
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: they were like, well, they won't they It's a sort

823
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: of a ross Rachel Notre Dame situation. I just wanted

824
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: to make sure they will. Twenty nineteen, Clemson.

825
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: Killed pretty much everyone but North Carolina and Ohio State.

826
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: I guess in the semi final correct, everyone else they destroyed.

827
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: They finally make it to the National Championship Game. Hopefully

828
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: everyone remembers the National Championship Game only happened a few

829
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: months ago. They lose forty two to twenty five. They

830
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 2: run into a buzzsaw. The buzz saw is Joe Burrow.

831
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: The buzzsaw is that electric LSU offense. I don't know,

832
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: if anybody beats them, it's.

833
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Not even a murder machine, it's a murder cloud. They

834
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: have so much control. Yeah, ridiculous.

835
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: Even if you thought there was a chance Clemson could

836
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: lose that game to LSU, nobody thought they'd give up

837
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: forty two points. It was a really good defense. It

838
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: just it speaks volumes about how good Ls's offense was.

839
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: That they were able to just straight up outscore m

840
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: Clemson the way they did killed them.

841
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely killed them. I arguably the best defense in

842
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: the country Clemson.

843
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I could make the case that Clemson,

844
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: for all its glory, was still underappreciated because of how

845
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: they rolled through a bad acc Yeah, you didn't get

846
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: full credit for that.

847
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: Well, we're all just we've talked about this during the

848
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: season to that point. When when was Clemson must watch

849
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: TV during the regular season? Exactly for the first quarter

850
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: against random five and seven teams, there was not much.

851
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Everybody gather around, we think this might be the week

852
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: that Clemson really gets a challenge That just didn't exist.

853
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: We never really even took it seriously that they might lose.

854
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: That's why that's why that UNC game was such a

855
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise. I'm not rooting against Clemson, but just from

856
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: a TV product standpoint, Yeah, yeah, drama to have competition

857
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: and drama in a Clemson game that was new news, right,

858
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: It's great, absolutely, But they roll through the ACC which

859
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: was down.

860
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, it was down.

861
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: They make it all the way through to that title

862
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: game and they run into this buzzsaw. They'll go down

863
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,479
Speaker 2: in history as losing by seventeen points. This is still

864
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: just a really good team, really good team, really good quarterback,

865
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: great talent up and down the roster, good solid defense.

866
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: They're to me second behind twenty eighteen Alabama. If we're

867
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: ranking these teams, they're definitely in front of five USC.

868
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: A couple things, Ty, I think you're correct with everything.

869
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: Should also point out that Ohio State was also a

870
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: team that scored fewer than double digits because they lost

871
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: thirty one nothing to Clemson on December thirty first, twenty sixteen.

872
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: So I didn't want I didn't want to have an

873
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: own mission there of all those of that roundup of

874
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: the non double ditch. Second of all, you're absolutely right,

875
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: I have Clemson behind the twenty nineteen Clemson behind twenty

876
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: eighteen Alabama in terms of these five teams. But I

877
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: think they beat USC just because they're a more complete

878
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: team and Trevor Lawrence offers something dynamic that would be

879
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: hard for any team at any point in history to handle.

880
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm also going to hear that, and we'll hear whatever

881
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: some reaction like, well, they call that a fumble. Ohio State,

882
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: it's a national championship game and they're built to better

883
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: take down LSU. Perhaps. No, No, I'm going to say

884
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to say no on that because Ohio State

885
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: had opportunities. Ohio State had opportunities against Clemson. They go

886
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: up sixteen to nothing, and their next four drives, three

887
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: of which they go three and out, all four of

888
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: they punt, and then the fifth they throw an interception.

889
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: They have an opportunity at the end of the game

890
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: and they throw an interception. So we're not talking about

891
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: a back and forth. We're not talking about fully maximizing

892
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: potential on all offense against a Clemson team never really

893
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: going through stretches of struggle. We're talking about an Ohio

894
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: State team that made a ton of mistakes. And if

895
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: Clemson is a team that wins by the narrowest of margins,

896
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: able to beat them on an interception to seal things

897
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: at the very end of the game and then get

898
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: run out of the stadium by the LSU Murder Cloud.

899
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm not believing in Ohio State being better suited to

900
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: compete with the Cloud. I'm just not there. So with

901
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: that out of the way, the twenty nineteen Clemson team

902
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: once they got North Carolina, and that's scare and allowing

903
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: North Carolina to milk the clock and sit on the ball.

904
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: Once they got that out of their system and they

905
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: get that last second two point conversion stop to beat

906
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: the tar Heels, they were incredible. Yeah, Travis Etn is

907
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: one of the joys that I've personally had watching him

908
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: since the onset of our show in two thousand and eight,

909
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: since we started this program, watching Travis Etn in the

910
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: open field with you know, running the score up to

911
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: such a crazy degree that he's just not playing fourth quarters,

912
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: that he is making legitimately fast players look slow in

913
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: his wake. He is one of the joys. And obviously

914
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: the emergence of Clemson as wide receiver, you with all

915
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: these guys they put into the league, with Trevor Lawrence

916
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: coming in as the most heralded quarterback of whatever we

917
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: can remember as a recruit and surpassing those expectations. It's

918
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: been just an amazing watch for me. So I have

919
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: them nipping on the heels of twenty eighteen Alabama. But still,

920
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: if we're on the margins, that's where I'm that's where

921
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm reserving my judgment.

922
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: This is just such a really good team.

923
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: It's so good. I mean, it's impossible to parse. It

924
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: really is impossible. It's so hard.

925
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: And I sat down in the laboratory shortly before hitting

926
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: record trying to suss out where I came down on

927
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen Clemson. And part of this is made harder

928
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: by the fact that it's just so recent. I don't

929
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: have the benefit of looking back five years in that

930
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: perspective comparing them to teams that came out after, and

931
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe with some age they will grow

932
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: even fonder in my mind, But at least as it

933
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: stands now, it's like part of me can't believe they lost.

934
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: I still can't believe that they lost.

935
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: I can believe the kind of season Joe Burrow had

936
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: and that instant transformation that we saw at LSU that

937
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: will go down in college football history. Is perhaps the

938
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: greatest season of all time from an offensive standpoint, But

939
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: this is still such a dominant Clemson squad. The fact

940
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: that they lost in the manner that they did it

941
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: highlights how good LSU was, and it still seems a

942
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: little surreal to me.

943
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the cases here are twenty fifteen

944
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: Clemson wasn't fully there. They lose to an Alabama team

945
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: with Heisman Trophy winner, with just a ton of talent,

946
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: and even like the twenty sixteen Alabama team is great

947
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: and in many years they're winning the national championship, and

948
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: they run into a once in a lifetime twenty sixteen

949
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson led Clemson team and then Georgia that in

950
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: a lot of years they're good enough to win the

951
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: national championship. They run into a once in a lifetime

952
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: backup quarterback star and lose on a once in a

953
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: lifetime maybe the best and most dramatically successful pass of

954
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: all time. I mean, just we're talking about thin margins,

955
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: where like these teams aren't good enough in most years

956
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: to hold up the whatever the college football trophy is called,

957
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: the Hancock Trophy, I don't know what it's called, and

958
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: then Clemson just with how complete they are on both

959
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: sides of all, replacing what they did on the defensive

960
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: line from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen and not missing

961
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: a beat at all, in fact, with Isaiah Simmons becoming

962
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: even more creative with how they move players around their defense,

963
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: and they run into the best college football offense of

964
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: all time, yeah, the best. Yeah. And so there's just

965
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: a certain degree of and it's not even losing moments.

966
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes it is it's just plain old dumb luck, that's

967
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: all it is. No Jamar Chase two hundred and twenty

968
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: one yards wins the Bolittnikov out of nowhere, out of

969
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: friggin nowhere. Joe Burrow has an encouraging season in twenty

970
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty eighteen, and then in twenty nineteen just

971
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: obliterates everything. Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Oh, I see he's a

972
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: nice back turns into what are we supposed to do

973
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: with this guy? What the hell are we supposed to

974
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: do with Clyde? And so sometimes it's just bad friggin' luck.

975
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: Bad friggin' luck. All right, let's rank these out here

976
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: and call it a day. I've got I think the

977
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: same ranking as you, twenty eighteen Alabama, twenty nineteen Clemson,

978
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen Georgia, twenty sixteen Alabama, and twenty fifteen Clemson.

979
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I have, and I think there's a

980
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: good case for each of these teams. I'm going to

981
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: go with Georgia having the worst case as for beating

982
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and five USC, but still a pretty damn

983
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: good case. Yeah.

984
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: All right, Well that does it for our first place losers.

985
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,000
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986
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,920
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00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,520
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988
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,359
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989
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think moving forward, we're going to be

1007
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: doing more Q and a's, and that is going to

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00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,319
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1010
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,640
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1011
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1013
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,880
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1015
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,440
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1016
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: that we're ramping up. This is true.

1017
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Daniel, this has been fun. Thanks for hanging

1018
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: with me. Thank you to everyone out there for hanging

1019
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: with us as we go through all these great seasons

1020
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 2: in college football. Some more disappointing than others, but fun

1021
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: nonetheless to walk back through fifteen years of college football

1022
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: runners up. A lot of fun for that guy over there,

1023
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hilding Brand.

1024
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: Thanks again, everyone, stay solid, stay safe, wash your hands,

1025
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: and we catch you all in a week.

1026
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Speaker 1: Peace,