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Speaker 1: Brian No, former Penn State All American, Rich Wornberger and

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Speaker 1: Pixwise lead betting analyst Jared Smith.

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Speaker 2: Oh, what is going on?

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Speaker 3: Everybody? Welcome in here.

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Speaker 4: Hope your Saturday is off to a fantastic start. Simple question,

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Speaker 4: Rich Jared, Good morning to both of you. Is there

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Speaker 4: anything you want to whine about? It's been a week

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Speaker 4: of it's at all the reps and all the chiefs

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Speaker 4: and all the calls.

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Speaker 2: Of wine wine?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to whine? Is there anything you anything.

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Speaker 2: About the whining? That's fine?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on that bus.

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Speaker 5: This this probably sounds weird because I don't. I don't

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Speaker 5: think it's a gripe that I've found anybody else who

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Speaker 5: shares with me.

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Speaker 2: I don't like waiting two weeks for the super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: I never have, even as a player, even going to

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Speaker 5: a super Bowl with the Patriots, I never liked it.

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Speaker 5: I I always felt like, let's just do it, you know.

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Speaker 5: And it's a it's a weird frustration of mine and

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Speaker 5: I guarantee you both are looking at each other like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: that doesn't bother me at all. But for whatever reason,

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Speaker 5: it's always it's always grinded my gears a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: That's that's. That's all I could come up with on

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Speaker 5: short notice. Other than that, I'm a happy guy today.

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Speaker 6: We don't hear can tankeris Ornberger too often? That's that's

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Speaker 6: not a very often thing on the show. I'm glad

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Speaker 6: we got that little curve ball. It's like a little

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Speaker 6: curveball change up to start the show. No that honestly, Brian,

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Speaker 6: I think I've reached fever pitch.

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Speaker 2: With the Chiefs Haters. Wow.

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Speaker 6: The society that we live in has officially devolved into

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Speaker 6: hater ade. Like I don't care what color the gatorade

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Speaker 6: color is next Sunday, I care about what color the

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Speaker 6: hater ade color is red?

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Speaker 2: Red.

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Speaker 6: It is red and white. It's wild, Brian, I've never

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Speaker 6: seen so. I believe this year's Chiefs are a mirror

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Speaker 6: into society, into what society is today, which is you're

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Speaker 6: either great or you're cheating. There is no in between.

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Speaker 6: Like you, I just I don't understand how you can't

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Speaker 6: just look at this team and say, best coach, best

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Speaker 6: quarterback in his prime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they find great games, find ways to win.

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Speaker 6: It's always the refs, always the refs. But please, sir,

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Speaker 6: continue this conversation because I'm gonna lose my mind if

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Speaker 6: I hear more about it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing is, Hey, there were a couple of

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Speaker 4: calls that were big calls in the AFC title game

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Speaker 4: last Sunday, and they didn't go the Bills way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you go like right down to it.

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Speaker 4: In my mind, I think it was the fourth and

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Speaker 4: short that Josh Allen was stopped on that.

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Speaker 3: I think that was the first down.

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Speaker 4: They reviewed it right like, they went to the replay

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Speaker 4: and it wasn't clear and obvious, it wasn't indisputable. That

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Speaker 4: was a gigantic call, There's no doubt about that. But

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Speaker 4: to make it sound and this whole week, if you

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Speaker 4: didn't watch the game.

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Speaker 2: That's my whole thing.

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Speaker 4: If you didn't watch the game, you would think the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs got every single call, and you'd be sitting there going,

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Speaker 4: what's up with the official? What's up with these Chiefs

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Speaker 4: getting all these calls? If you actually watched the game.

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Speaker 4: In my mind, there was one call. It was the

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen sneak where it's like, man, it seemed like

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Speaker 4: a first down, but you know they didn't mark them

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Speaker 4: and they reviewed it and it's not indisputable.

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Speaker 3: So what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like for it to go to this level where it's

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Speaker 4: like the NFL is rigged.

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Speaker 3: The NFL it's you know, for.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who thinks that it's rigged, bet everything you own

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Speaker 4: on the Chiefs, you know what I mean. Like all

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Speaker 4: this conversation about it being fixed, it's always after the

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Speaker 4: last game.

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Speaker 2: It's never before the next game.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen one video that says, hey, look at

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Speaker 4: this call, in this call, in this call. Therefore, I'm

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Speaker 4: betting the Chiefs and I can't lose because I know

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Speaker 4: it's fixed, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: No one has that out there because deep down they

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Speaker 4: know it's not rigged. They know it's not fixed, and

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Speaker 4: they're just being morons and overreacting.

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Speaker 2: That's all it is.

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Speaker 4: And if you can't tell by my voice, I've reached

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Speaker 4: my breaking point as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'll say this.

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Speaker 5: I think the Chiefs probably get so much hype that

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Speaker 5: it feels impossible to get away from them, and I

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Speaker 5: think when that happens, people get turned off, and the

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Speaker 5: way they express that is by attacking them. The only

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Speaker 5: way they can are the Chiefs good? Yes, is Patrick

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Speaker 5: Mahomes one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen play football?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Is their Hall of Fame tight end dating the biggest

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Speaker 5: pop star on planet Earth. Yeah, Like, it's like they're

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Speaker 5: They're perfect in every way. So the only way can

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Speaker 5: really attack them is by saying that they have some

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Speaker 5: unfair advantage over the rest of the teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: because secretly the NFL wants to promote them more or

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Speaker 5: bigger or better than they do other teams. That's the

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Speaker 5: only argument you can possibly formulate against them, because outside

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Speaker 5: of that, they have everything going their way.

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Speaker 2: And we do live in a sports viewing.

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Speaker 5: Society and always have where if there's a dynasty in place,

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Speaker 5: people get sick of it. It's happened time and time again.

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Speaker 5: It works like clockwork. You know, the best teams, the

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Speaker 5: teams typically who've had the most success are some of

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Speaker 5: the most hated teams.

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Speaker 2: You go through the list most.

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Speaker 5: Playoff wins in NFL history, it goes San Francisco forty nine, Ers, Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots.

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Speaker 5: The Chiefs are sneaking up close to the top five

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Speaker 5: if they're not already in there after this wonderful run

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Speaker 5: with Patrick Mahomes, and those are some of the most

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Speaker 2: That's the way it works.

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Speaker 5: When you're at the top, everybody wants to take shots

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Speaker 5: at you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that. Usually people like to see.

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Speaker 6: The underdog win, and I don't have any issue with that.

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Speaker 6: If you're rooting for the underdog. If you were rooting

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Speaker 6: for the Bills because they've never won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 6: and they're a scrappy team and all, I hope the

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Speaker 2: Bowl, that is a very fair take.

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Speaker 6: After the game is over and the Chiefs win, and

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Speaker 6: by the way, they were the better team in that game.

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Speaker 6: More yards per play, better success rate overcame the turnover.

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Speaker 6: They were the better team in that game. Nobody can

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Speaker 6: deny that. You want to say they got a fortunate call, fine,

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Speaker 6: they were the better team in that game.

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Speaker 2: Watch the game.

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Speaker 6: It's in the second half. Mahomes is moving it up

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Speaker 6: and down the field like lightning. After the game is over,

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Speaker 6: just tip your cap and say, man, the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Are really good.

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Speaker 6: We are watching greatness right now. This is we are

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Speaker 6: in the middle of a historic dynasty. Just tip your

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Speaker 2: To watch that.

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Speaker 6: That's the part that bothers me. It's after the game

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Speaker 6: is over. And the Patriots. Here's the difference with the

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Speaker 6: Patriots dynasty. The Patriots dynasty started before social media. All

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Speaker 6: of the other dynasties, the Lakers, back in the day,

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Speaker 6: Celtics right, there was no social media.

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Speaker 2: There was no screenshots. So this is a hold.

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Speaker 6: If you screenshot at every play in the NFL, you'd

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Speaker 6: And I think the social media generation we are in

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Speaker 6: this rigged society that we live in. It just people

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Speaker 6: cannot accept greatness because they look at themselves and they say, man,

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Speaker 6: I'm not that great.

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Speaker 2: I got to pull this down. Like right, it's the

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Speaker 2: t Swift song, going.

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Speaker 6: Back to our girl, Taylor Swift. People throw rocks at

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Speaker 6: things that shine. It's just the way that our society

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Speaker 4: Well that part of you know, I'm just laughing to

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Speaker 4: couple of you know, these people that we're talking about

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Speaker 4: listening today, you know, there have to be there's so

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Speaker 4: many out there where they're like, well they made only

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Speaker 4: one call. What there were many calls that went the

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Speaker 4: really break it down what you're talking about, Jared, the

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Speaker 4: screenshot of a hold on a Chiefs offensive lineman that

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Speaker 4: game that I know, Like, come on, man, like your

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Speaker 4: whole life what oh? There are so many just like

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Speaker 4: blatant holding calls that should be made that aren't made.

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Speaker 2: That happens.

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Speaker 4: I look at the spotting of the football like people

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Speaker 4: have argued that Dalton Kinkaid got a first down when

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Speaker 4: it was third down right before the Josh Allen sneak.

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Speaker 4: There's no way that he got a first down. He

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Speaker 4: There was one with James Cook where it's like Jim

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Speaker 4: Nantz says, it's a gain of eleven, it's a first down,

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Speaker 3: This is the other thing in the NFL. They are

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Speaker 3: very very.

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Speaker 2: The opposite of lenient, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: They are very like down to the blade of grass,

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Speaker 4: not quite ten yards, not quite like that's been going

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Speaker 4: on for for as long as I've watched the NFL.

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Speaker 4: They do not spot the ball like college football does,

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Speaker 4: where they're like, it's probably a gain of eight, but

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Speaker 4: move the chains. It was close enough, like whatever. And

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Speaker 4: as far as the ball hitting the ground, I don't

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Speaker 4: know how many times I've heard that this week where

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Speaker 4: the Xavier Worthy catch, you had Cole Bishop, the Bills

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Speaker 2: The ball does touch the ground, it can.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many times I wanted to just

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Speaker 4: ago in the ninety nine NFC Championship game where the

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Speaker 4: ball touched the ground right, and they're like, incomplete. That's

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Speaker 4: the way it was ruled back then. It's been changed

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Speaker 4: since then. As long as the ground doesn't help a

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Speaker 5: Oh that Tom always gets the roughing the passer calls

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Speaker 5: The problem is the Chiefs have a lot of those

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Speaker 2: Nobody can handle that. What they need is.

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Speaker 5: A bigger boulder, maybe even less provable, but a better

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Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, the Chiefs are that good. They

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Speaker 6: Again, It's just this thing in our society where people

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Speaker 2: Much success in my life?

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Speaker 6: I'm not, so I have to tear that down in

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Speaker 6: order to justify what I'm doing. Again, the Chiefs are

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Speaker 6: That I'm not doing that? And people don't like the truth.

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Speaker 2: They don't like it.

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Speaker 6: They don't like to actually look at the truth and say, man,

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Speaker 6: the Chiefs are just better. And to go back to

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Speaker 6: Nobody have you seen a team, especially on offense in

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Speaker 2: That is when winning isn't always pretty.

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Speaker 6: It's not always greatest show on turf fifty five to seven,

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Speaker 6: Winning means overcoming the obstacles faced that day. They might

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Speaker 6: That blitz that Steve's Bagnola ran on fourth down won

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Speaker 6: no shot. They hadn't run that blitz the whole game.

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Speaker 6: They ran it on fourth down to win the game. Like,

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Speaker 6: we're not gonna talk about that it's rigged. It's rigged

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Speaker 6: fourth down. They should have gotten this car. No, don't

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Speaker 2: Let's just say it's rigged. Well.

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Speaker 4: In icing the game, too, that was another thing that

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Speaker 4: Just let that sink in for a second. For anybody

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Speaker 4: That's like peanuts compared to if there actually were a

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Speaker 4: I don't know, let's call it a multi billion dollar league.

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Speaker 4: Let's call it the NFL that was actually fixing games

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Speaker 4: Do you realize what kind of risk those people would

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Speaker 4: This would be Adam Silver, NBA commissioner says, why don't

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Speaker 4: we why I play forty minute games instead of forty

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Speaker 4: It was on the Dan Patrick Show. Actually, when he

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Speaker 7: The NBA is the only league that plays forty eight minutes,

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Speaker 7: I mean, putting inside what it means for records and

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Speaker 2: But if you like it, I'd say it has kind

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Speaker 4: That is, by the way, my favorite part of the

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I like how he's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I just don't I don't understand. Like it's not like

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Speaker 4: This like new day and age where sports fans just

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Speaker 4: Even if they reduced it, it wouldn't eliminate load management.

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Speaker 4: I just don't see this being a win at all.

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Speaker 4: It's not like ESPN and all these other networks that

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Speaker 2: From Adam silver Well.

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Speaker 5: I think that every league has invested in analytics.

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Speaker 5: where you can actually quantify accurately exactly how interested people

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Speaker 5: are in your sport.

442
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Speaker 2: The more of this you're.

443
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Speaker 5: Gonna see, like little tweaks and changes, and some of

444
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 5: them are gonna be huge. I mean, Major League Baseball

445
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 5: has completely flipped a lot of what has made baseball

446
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 5: special on its ear in recent years over the past decade.

447
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about.

448
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 5: What an advantage it is for the team at the

449
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 5: plate to have a runner on second to start extras.

450
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's insane.

451
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Speaker 5: That's an insane proposal, say twenty years ago, but today's society,

452
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: everybody kind of met that with a collective shoulder shrug

453
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 5: because it was like, eh, these games are a little lengthy,

454
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 5: you know. So I I understand how it looks on

455
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 5: its face, but I also understand that Adam Silver is

456
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Speaker 5: the commissioner, and he has this responsibility to get as

457
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Speaker 5: many people under the circus tent as he possibly can.

458
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Speaker 5: And he's he's not necessarily a Carnival barker, you know,

459
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 5: he's not necessarily the face of the league. That's that's

460
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 5: one of his players, you know, whether it's you know,

461
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 5: Jean Moran or Lebron James or Kevin Durant or you know,

462
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 5: flip a coin between stars, you know, the Greek freak

463
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 5: or whoever you know, that's that's really who's the face

464
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Speaker 5: of the league. But it's his responsibility to make sure

465
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Speaker 5: it's as palatable as possible moving forward.

466
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Speaker 2: And my guess is, after looking at this, does that

467
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Speaker 2: do it does? What does that do well?

468
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Speaker 4: What is the runner on second do? I don't care

469
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Speaker 4: about that. What does this do for the It's just,

470
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, is this the cool league? Is

471
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: everybody's clamoring, oh oh man, two hours, give me more?

472
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Speaker 2: NBA?

473
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Speaker 4: It all of a sudden, it's just does dramatic wonders

474
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: for their numbers.

475
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Speaker 2: How does this help happen?

476
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Speaker 5: It shortens the game and and it will buy about

477
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Speaker 5: what you said about a half hour, and so we'll

478
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Speaker 5: more easily fit into broadcast schedules. And I think that's

479
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 5: really the conversation. I don't think many of these leagues

480
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 5: are all that worried about player safety. I don't think

481
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Speaker 5: many of these leagues are all that worried about, you know,

482
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Speaker 5: the things that are more player centric or focused. I

483
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 5: think they're probably hearing from major network carriers that we

484
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 5: need this to be more neatly packaged and a little

485
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 5: bit more what's the word I'm looking for consistent for us,

486
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 5: and and it would be great if dot dot dot.

487
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Speaker 5: And I think that the NFL has told all these

488
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 5: networks Heke kick Rocks that we're the top dog on

489
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Speaker 5: the yard. If you don't like it, we'll find someone

490
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Speaker 5: else who likes it. With Major League Baseball and NBA,

491
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 5: they are a little bit cow tewing to the will

492
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Speaker 5: of these networks. Are these people who believe that these

493
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Speaker 5: should be shorter ran formats?

494
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this was an interesting one because when I heard

495
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Speaker 6: it at face, I was like, oh boy, this is

496
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Speaker 6: going to cause a stir And then I started to

497
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 6: read into it a little bit, and I think Adam

498
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 6: was just putting this out there to see what the

499
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Speaker 6: reaction would be. I don't think this is going to

500
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Speaker 6: happen next year. I think this is just a hey,

501
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Speaker 6: this is something we are thinking of. And the way

502
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Speaker 6: he dropped it was very unique.

503
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Speaker 2: But then you also have to go.

504
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Speaker 6: Back in time and look at what the NBA has done. Right,

505
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: Like nineteen fifty four, all of a sudden, there was

506
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Speaker 6: a twenty four second shot clock. Oh my god, that's groundbreaking.

507
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 6: And in nineteen eighty there was a three point line.

508
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 6: It was kind of along the same timeline that the

509
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Speaker 6: NBA and ABA merged. I'm sure when that was introduced

510
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty people were like, what a three point

511
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 6: line in the NBA.

512
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Speaker 2: No way, So I think we have to again take

513
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Speaker 2: it for what it is.

514
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Speaker 6: This is a commissioner that does want change, and everybody

515
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: wants change, but nobody wants to change. That's the problem

516
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 6: we have. And I don't think this is going to

517
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Speaker 6: happen next year. I don't even know if I'm in

518
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 6: favor of it. Yet I do see his side of it.

519
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 6: I see the side of it that load management is

520
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 6: the biggest talking point in the NBA today and he's

521
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 6: trying to do things.

522
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Speaker 2: To kurtail that. I don't know how to curtail that.

523
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 6: So I'm not gonna get on the soapbox and say, well,

524
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 6: you should do this, you should do that, you should

525
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 6: do this. But people were up in arms about the

526
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 6: pitchclock rule when it first came in. Now, it didn't

527
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 6: shorten the game. There were still twenty seven outs, it

528
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 6: didn't take away outs from the game. And that now

529
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 6: you have player contracts, you have incentives, you have records,

530
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 6: you have all of these other things. That you open

531
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 6: up this gigantic Pandora's box when you fundamentally change the

532
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 6: rules of the game. That's the part that I'm not

533
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 6: in agreement with. I think we need to really think

534
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 6: long and hard before we do something like that, because again,

535
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 6: I just gave you two examples in history of when

536
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 6: the fund mental rules of the game were changed, and

537
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 6: we haven't had a big one in a long time.

538
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 6: So if that does happen, it will ripple effect through

539
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 6: the entire sport. But I do understand why Adam Silver

540
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 6: wants something like this to occur. I just think what

541
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 6: happened on DP show this week was more of a hey,

542
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 6: let's just put this out there into the waters and

543
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 6: see what the reaction is. And based on the reaction,

544
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Speaker 6: I don't think.

545
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: This is gonna happen now. It's gonna be a while

546
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: before something like this happens. Yeah, I don't know that

547
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 4: it ever will happen. It does for anybody who's talking about,

548
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: you know, reducing the amount of games, This puts that

549
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: to bad. If there's ever gonna be a change agreed,

550
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: reducing the length of the games.

551
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Speaker 2: Which do you like better though, season?

552
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Speaker 6: If you had to pick one, or the other, because

553
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 6: essentially is what it's doing, this is taking fifteen games

554
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 6: off the schedule.

555
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, So what would you rather have?

556
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Speaker 6: Would you rather have only you know, eighty two minus

557
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 6: fifteen sixty seven or would you rather have ten minute quarters?

558
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: Neither? Sorry, I'm not trying to dodge it, but but

559
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: I know it's okay. That's what's the reason I asked.

560
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: I've like, they're they're not going to reduce it to

561
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: sixty five games because nobody wants less money ownership. They're

562
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: not gonna do that for any talk show. It's like,

563
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: reduced it to sixty five games never ever, ever, Ever,

564
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Speaker 4: let's say you had to pick one, I've had it

565
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: or else the game goes away forever. I don't like

566
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: either option because neither are The first one isn't realistic

567
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: if you're reducing it to sixty five games. I mean,

568
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: if it's like I have to choose, I would choose

569
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: that one. But that's that's not a realistic option because

570
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: of the money aspect. I just like reducing it to

571
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Speaker 4: forty minutes. It's such a dumb idea. It's been it's

572
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: been forty eight minutes since the beginning of the league.

573
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: Everything is tied to that, every single season record, every

574
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: historic right everything. They're forty eight minute games. I don't

575
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: see how all of a sudden if you reduce the length. Wow,

576
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: look at these numbers, man, these NBA ratings are just skyrocketing.

577
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: It's again, it's it's reducing it by what sixteen percent

578
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: or so? What do you think it would do for

579
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: the NFL total? What do you think it would do

580
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: for the NFL if they reduced it from say, sixty

581
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: minutes to fifty minutes. We're doing twelve and a half

582
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: minute quarters here like that? Is that smart? You think

583
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: they would do wonders for the NFL's ratings.

584
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 2: No, no, it wouldn't.

585
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 5: But I will say this, there's a point of I'm

586
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 5: sure we could all agree with this, of diminishing returns

587
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 5: with how many games in a regular season a league

588
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 5: will play before all of a sudden gameplay is affected harshly.

589
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 5: And Major League Baseball obviously has blown through that point

590
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 5: of diminished returns.

591
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: I think that the NBA has.

592
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: I think the NFL is probably on the precipice of

593
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 5: that with expansion of their regular season.

594
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: We haven't gotten there yet. With seventeen games.

595
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: But I promise you, if they keep adding regular season games,

596
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: we'll get there and they'll be conversations about load management

597
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: in the NFL, and they'll be conversations about key players

598
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: sitting or you know, taking quarters off in games that

599
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: already seem like they're one. Stuff like that will start happening,

600
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: and people will belly ache over it, and for good reason,

601
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: because it's not as much fun for the fan. Adam

602
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: Silver is attempting to do the impossible. He's attempting to

603
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 5: put the toothpaste back in the tube. It already is

604
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 5: what it is, Like you said, Brian, there's no shortening

605
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: the season in terms of how many games are being played.

606
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: So the best you could do is try to extend

607
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 5: the olive branch to the players who are who are

608
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: upset that they have to play the entirety of their

609
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 5: contracts and refuse to play the entirety of their contracts

610
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 5: because they have so much power in that league. Well,

611
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 5: how can we make everyone happy? And Adam Silver thinks

612
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 5: that by reducing the amount of games, by reducing the

613
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 5: amount of time in the games, is going to be

614
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 5: the big fix, And I'm telling you it won't be

615
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 5: because there will still be load management, there will still

616
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: be star players taking nights off because you don't need

617
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 5: to win that many games to get into the postseason.

618
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the problem.

619
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Speaker 5: So you don't have a league that's driven by motivated

620
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 5: stars aiming to win championships. You have players who are

621
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 5: satisfied getting into the dance and then seeing where the

622
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 5: chips fall because you also have five and seven game

623
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: series leading up to a championship where the better team

624
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: usually wins.

625
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 6: You know, let's frame this historically, because I get your

626
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 6: record like pushback, and I feel the same way.

627
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: But imagine what pistol Pete.

628
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 6: Maravich felt in nineteen eighty when he was hired and

629
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden the three point line existed,

630
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 6: Like and he's like, wow, I averaged twenty six points

631
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 6: per game my career. I'm you know, X on the

632
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 6: all time scoring list. Man, what would have been if

633
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 6: I would have had a three point line for my

634
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 6: entire career? So it's not like this is unprecedented to

635
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 6: where the game hasn't had these fundamental rule changes that

636
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 6: have impacted records. I just don't know if the timing's

637
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 6: right this year. I think what what Commissioner Silver was

638
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 6: doing was he was testing the waters and seeing if

639
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 6: you know, America was ready for something like this.

640
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: Clearly we're not.

641
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: But I think the conversations will continue along these lines, because,

642
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 6: let's be honest, these kinds of things happen in sports.

643
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: It's happened before.

644
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 6: It happened forty years ago in nineteen eighty, it happened

645
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 6: in nineteen fifty four. The twenty four second clock changed

646
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 6: the game completely.

647
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing is, I'm not against change. I'm

648
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 4: not against drastic change as long as it's beneficial. I

649
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: just don't see how this is beneficial.

650
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 6: I don't see any beneficial with load management with them,

651
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 6: and like the game's being more intense.

652
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: For no, absolutely not for ratings, for it being the

653
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: cool product for networks. I just don't see networks clamoring

654
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: for Hey, he need less content. We're playing paying billions

655
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: of dollars.

656
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: If you could just.

657
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: TV networks.

658
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't know why they. I don't know why

659
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: they would want less content for it.

660
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Speaker 2: I know why.

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Speaker 5: It's what their complaining is, why they're going to Adam

662
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Speaker 5: and saying why are ratings dropping off. Yep, this is

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Speaker 5: your product, So tell us why are ratings dropping off?

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Speaker 5: And he's saying, hey, look, you know you see it

665
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Speaker 5: as well as I do. Players aren't playing, they're selecting

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Speaker 5: the games they want to play.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, that's my thing, Rich, is this is where

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Speaker 4: a lot of it began. It began with his mistake

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Speaker 4: of not being strong enough to stop load management. You

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Speaker 4: think David Stern would have let it get to where

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Speaker 4: it is right now with load management.

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Speaker 2: He was such a lean He's like a lenient parent. Rich.

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Speaker 4: You're a parent, you know sometimes you got to put

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Speaker 4: your foot down and say no, we're not doing this.

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Speaker 4: It's like if your kids are like, wait, want ice

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Speaker 4: cream for a dinner. Adam Silver is the parent that's like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say no. It's ah right, that's

678
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: where it started. It's really this is Adam Silver. He

679
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: allowed load management to happen. That's like having in the

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Speaker 4: dead of Winner just a broken window.

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Speaker 3: And now Adam Silver is trying to.

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Speaker 4: Fix this with hey, let's just put a desk in

683
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Speaker 4: front of the window. Huh, Hey, it's fixed. It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: it was a problem that you helped create, and now

685
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Speaker 4: you have a horrible way of trying to help the problem.

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Speaker 4: It's like, bro, look at Roger Goodell. This is what

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Speaker 4: the NFL did. This was years ago when it seemed like, hey,

688
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Speaker 4: maybe we're gonna see these non playoff teams start to

689
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Speaker 4: rest their guys at the end of a season. Makes sense, right,

690
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: they're out of playoff contention. Why why would Kyler Murray

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Speaker 4: go out there and risk injury in week eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Why what's the point?

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Speaker 4: And he came out there and he was like, look,

694
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Speaker 4: if you rest healthy players, you non playoff teams, we

695
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Speaker 4: will find you. We will take draft picks away. And

696
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, that never became a thing. What

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Speaker 4: did Adam Silver do? Nothing? Nothing, And now it's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: if we reduce the length of games, maybe we'll get

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Speaker 4: our star players. Dude, this is not You're still gonna

700
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Speaker 4: have load management. Rich just said that. It's just it's

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Speaker 4: a stupid way to try to help a problem that

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Speaker 4: his fingerprints are all over. There's no way Stern would

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Speaker 4: have let load management start to become a thing. And

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Speaker 4: it is a huge thing now and it's a huge

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Speaker 4: problem for the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a mess.

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Speaker 5: And like I said earlier, he's trying to put the

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Speaker 5: toothpaste back in the tube. It's an impossible thing to do.

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Speaker 5: It's the reality of the situation is the ratings are

710
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Speaker 5: what the ratings are. It is an accurate portrayal of

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Speaker 5: where the attention of Americans are now overseas. They've been

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Speaker 5: having a phenomenal amount of success. And I'm curious actually

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Speaker 5: if some of these, some of these changes might be

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Speaker 5: related to the like, you know, maybe an international viewing

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Speaker 5: audience is helped by having the game shorter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do know this.

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna get more stars to play by changing

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Speaker 5: the rules from twelve minute quarters to ten minute quarters.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't fix that problem. Yeah, no, that's true. All right.

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Speaker 4: That's Rich Orenberger, Ben State All American, Jared Smith FSR

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Speaker 4: betting analyst.

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Speaker 3: I'm Brian No Coming up next, Parla Platter. You know

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Speaker 3: there's one.

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Speaker 4: There's one silver lining with football ending, which is horrible.

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Speaker 4: At least Tuddy time will die.

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Speaker 2: Last edition of this coming up.

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Speaker 3: Harlet's do this.

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Speaker 1: Check out parlay latter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the parlay platter is here and it is.

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Speaker 3: Tuddy time yet again.

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Speaker 2: Jared start with from caffeine but before the next segment.

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Speaker 3: I know I've naturally caffeinated. But then totty time.

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Speaker 4: Thing I feel You ever see anchor man, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's in a glass cage of emotion. I feel like

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Speaker 4: I'm in a glass cage, right. I want to take

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Speaker 4: Michigan to touch down minus the five and a half

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Speaker 4: against Rutgers.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, That's.

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Speaker 2: What I want to do.

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Speaker 3: But I'll stay with the theme of touchdowns here.

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Speaker 2: It's our last toutdy time of the year.

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Speaker 6: Next week I will concoct some kind of SGP or

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Speaker 6: something fun during parlay segment for us to do.

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Speaker 2: But we will go.

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Speaker 6: One last time to the well tudy time here in

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Speaker 6: I guess twenty five now, even though the seasonially is

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Speaker 6: still the twenty four season.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm just gonnakeep it really simple.

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Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts has scored fourteen touchdowns this season fifteen last year.

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Speaker 2: He is the weapon for the Eagles.

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Speaker 6: And I'm betting the under in shortest touchdown in the

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Speaker 6: game at one and a half yards. And if I

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Speaker 6: think there's gonna be a one yard touchdown, you bet

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Speaker 6: your bottom dollar. I think Jalen Hurts is gonna be

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Speaker 6: scoring it. Minus one of fot good price at bet

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Speaker 6: MGM for our guy, Jalen Hurts, first leg of Teddy DWN.

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Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna take Saquam Barkley, who has selflessly

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Speaker 5: laid down literally on some wide open touchdown runs late

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Speaker 5: in the season and into the postseason.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think he's laying.

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Speaker 5: Down this week, or I should say next week super

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Speaker 5: Bowl fifty nine. They're gonna get in the zone as

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Speaker 5: many times as they possibly can. Give me Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 5: on then any time touchdown prop at that and whatever.

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Speaker 3: B NO has, Yes, I have Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 4: I'm going conspiracy last one twenty five For all these

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Speaker 4: people that are.

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Speaker 1: Like it's fixed, it said the Fects his head.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's set.

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Speaker 4: Up so well for Travis Kelsey to get into the

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Speaker 4: end zone for them to completely tear their hair out.

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Speaker 4: And look, he's going up against Reblank and Ship and

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Speaker 4: that's advantage Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: I hate taking the top three favorites.

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Speaker 4: If we scrolled down and see some of these long shots,

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Speaker 4: you can come up with a decent long shot or not,

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Speaker 4: but we're we're looking at it.

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Speaker 3: That payout Jared.

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Speaker 6: Pretty good plus five point fifty. Again, I think you

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Speaker 6: keep it simple in the Super Bowl. These teams want

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Speaker 6: to go to the big players.

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Speaker 4: Yep, all right, coming up next. The Feds are all

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Speaker 4: over this one. Ah, good morning, welcome in here. If

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Speaker 4: you're just turning the radio on right now, it's been

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Speaker 4: a very pleasant and upbeat first hour.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're just spreading cheer.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the first hour talking about the whining

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Speaker 4: complainers out there, you know, those rascals.

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Speaker 9: That that are. They're just moaning and groaning about the

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Speaker 9: Chiefs and the calls we hit on that we hit

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Speaker 9: on Adam Silver. It was a very jubilant first hour.

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Speaker 9: I would like to say, is that a fitting description.

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Speaker 5: Would you guys say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: we are spreading hope and cheer, just like Buddy the Elf.

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Speaker 2: We're just happy, go lucky group here, right. Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: about this one?

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Speaker 4: So Terry Roseier, he's under federal investigation. So there were

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00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: unusual betting patterns regarding NBA player Terry Rogier. So this

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00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: goes back to last year. He was a member of

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Speaker 4: the Charlotte Hornets. This game was in March of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty three, okay, and he left the game after nine

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Speaker 4: minutes and thirty six seconds he had a foot injury,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, there was some unusual betting

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Speaker 4: patterns where it's like, wait a minute, they're all an

813
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Speaker 4: abnormal amount of people betting the unders on his player props,

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Speaker 4: and so it raised a red flag.

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Speaker 3: The NBA looked into it last.

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Speaker 4: Year and said, nah, it doesn't seem like there's anything

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: crazy going on here, and they wrapped up their investigation.

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Speaker 4: Now the Feds are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: we need to take a closer look at what exactly

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Speaker 4: happened here. One thing to keep in mind is Terry Rozier,

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Speaker 4: he left that March game in twenty twenty three against

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Speaker 4: the Pelicans. It was the Pelicans against the Hornets. He

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Speaker 4: left that game just under ten minutes of game time,

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Speaker 4: and he didn't play again the rest of the season.

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Speaker 4: Right there were eight games left. He didn't play at

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Speaker 4: all from that point on, which I think is an

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Speaker 4: important piece to this of you know, was there anything

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Speaker 4: wrong in the furious going on here?

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: If the NBA did its investigation and was like, no,

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Speaker 4: everything seems to be on the up and up, and

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Speaker 4: then the FEDS do their investigation, if they uncover something more,

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Speaker 4: it's gonna look like the NBA completely covered it up.

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be really interesting to see what the

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Speaker 4: Feds what they find out. They might find out the

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Speaker 4: same thing as the NBA and say, yeah, it actually

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Speaker 4: seems to be on the up and up. But the

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Speaker 4: way they they're like, wait a minute, NBA, you did

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Speaker 4: your investigation. Let us let us do our investigation over here.

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be funny one way or the other

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Speaker 4: where they just say, yeah, we kind of uncover the

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Speaker 4: same thing you guys did, so uh, good work, good job, NBA.

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Speaker 5: Well we all know how this works. This works because

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Speaker 5: somebody lost boatloads of money. That's the only reason why

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Speaker 5: this is under investigation. Either, the NBA feels like they

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Speaker 5: have to appease owners who feel like, hey, listen, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're we're all here for the same reason because we're

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Speaker 5: all supposed to have an equal opportunity.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Obviously it's not completely equal, because there's gonna be teams

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Speaker 5: with better players than other teams, but we all start

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Speaker 5: from the same platitude to have an opportunity to hoist

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Speaker 5: the Larry O'Brian Trophy at the end of the season. Right,

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Speaker 5: That's the reason why we have a draft. Right, this

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Speaker 5: is supposed to be fair. This is supposed to be

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Speaker 5: something that resembles, you know, actual sports, and we're not

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Speaker 5: just doing professional wrestling, right, you know, outcomes aren't predetermined,

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Speaker 5: so they have to appease their ownership. So the NBA,

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Speaker 5: launching their own internal investigation, comes up with, hey, you know,

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Speaker 5: as it turns out, terries off the hook.

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Speaker 2: We found nothing.

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Speaker 5: But then there's a whole another industry now, and that's

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Speaker 5: the betting industry, and that industry has a lot of

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Speaker 5: friends in government, and that industry is going to make

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Speaker 5: sure that when they feel like their bread has been affected.

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Speaker 5: They're going to make it right one way or another.

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Speaker 5: And one way you can make it right is by

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Speaker 5: putting your political influence and lean on certain people within

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Speaker 5: either the federal investigation arm of the United States government

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Speaker 5: or politicians who maybe you've helped gotten elected to say, hey, no,

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Speaker 5: we need to get in front of this and make

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Speaker 5: sure that this is done right because somebody lost a

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Speaker 5: lot of money on these bets, or they feel like

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Speaker 5: this is opening up the door for them to lose

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Speaker 5: a lot of money on bets like this, and so

876
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: that's the reason why it's getting investigated. And I don't

877
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 5: necessarily think the NBA is going to be scrutinized. They

878
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 5: if federal investigators find proof of malfeasan's here, I think

879
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 5: they're going to do a deeper dive. They're going to

880
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: ask and probably be granted access to bank account and

881
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 5: routing information and things of that nature to find out

882
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 5: if anybody was on the doll here, because those are

883
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: things the NBA can't do unless, you you know, unless

884
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 5: participants offer that sort of information. But that's certainly things

885
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 5: that the federal government absolutely can do over the course

886
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 5: of conducting an investigation, especially if they're given if they're given.

887
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Some latitudes by a judge.

888
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: So this this has become a big money industry on

889
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 5: the sports betting front. We're gonna see a lot more

890
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: of these things as players or officials or referees or

891
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 5: or even maybe potentially owners at some point make mistakes

892
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 5: like this.

893
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the integrity of the game's obviously paramount.

894
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 6: I don't think the Porter and the Rosier situation are

895
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 6: equal because there's there's two reasons why. I mean, obviously,

896
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 6: just you know, we can't have games that are actually fixed,

897
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 6: and we don't. I think there are obviously situations that

898
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 6: occur that are isolated incidents. But let's be honest here,

899
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 6: Terry Rozier is one hundred million dollar contract. He's not like,

900
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 6: how much money could he possibly make on this?

901
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: That's gonna trump that.

902
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 6: So that's where I get lost with the players are

903
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 6: in on it, like, no, Terry Rozier is not in

904
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 6: on this.

905
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: I mean again, his contract.

906
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 6: Is significant, making significantly more money than he's ever gonna

907
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 6: make winning a bet on an underprop. Here's what I

908
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 6: think this is. I think this is a group of

909
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 6: gamblers that have really good information. And we've not only

910
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 6: seen them do this with Porter now Rosier, but they're

911
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 6: also involved in college basketball inside info where guys are

912
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 6: not playing and they think this is gonna happen. So

913
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 6: I don't think we're gonna find out that Yer Rozier

914
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: is this like big gambler and he's making all these

915
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 6: bets on the side.

916
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think that's the end of the road here.

917
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 6: I think what the investigation we'll find is that these

918
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 6: gamblers are really well plugged in and they have information.

919
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 6: They knew Tarry Rozier was hurt, they knew he wasn't

920
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 6: gonna play a lot, and they knew his foot was

921
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 6: bothering him and they were able to capitalize on it. Now,

922
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 6: how that info got out is what I'm more interested in.

923
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: Maybe Terry hinted to someone else who has a no

924
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: A in a group.

925
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 6: The one thing I've learned living in Vegas for the

926
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 6: last few years working with these professional gamblers know everything

927
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 6: they know when a guy sneezes like it is incredible

928
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 6: how plugged into the information they are. And I think

929
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 6: this particular group which kind of started to hold Johntay

930
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 6: Porter thing I think they're just and three of them

931
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 6: have already pleaded guilty to it. Like, I think they're

932
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 6: just a very well connected group of gamblers and they

933
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 6: got win that Rosier was not gonna play much in

934
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: this game. But how they got the information is what

935
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 6: I'm interested in. I don't think it directly came from Terry.

936
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 6: I think it came from another source, a very well

937
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 6: plugged in source, deep.

938
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: Throat, so to say.

939
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 6: For the you know, Richard Nixon scandal fans out there,

940
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 6: the Watergate scandal fans, that to me is the more

941
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 6: interesting thing. How the gamblers received the information that Johntay

942
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 6: Porter's in on it or Terry Rozier is injured, like

943
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 6: that is the missing link that I don't think we

944
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 6: have yet.

945
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: Right.

946
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: Well, A couple of things for me is, you know,

947
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: if you compare John Tay Porter to Terry Roseier you

948
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: alluded to this cheered Johntay Porter's making peanuts, Yeah, compared

949
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 4: to Terry Rosier. That's a big, big piece of the

950
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 4: puzzle that needs to be thrown out there, where Johntay

951
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: Porter is incentivized much more making peanuts to try to

952
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 4: make more peanuts, right, like Terry Rosier, who's making bank

953
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 4: is not incentivized to make peanuts, and he's certainly not

954
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: incentivized to risk the bank contract, right, the bag contract

955
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: to make peanuts. That just doesn't add up, doesn't make sense.

956
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 4: The other thing here that I find interesting is how

957
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: many times something might look like a red flag that

958
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 4: turns out not to be right, Like, how many times

959
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 4: if you are the FEDS, if you're investigating, like there

960
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: are you know, there are these agencies that oversee these

961
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: sports books to see if they there's anything that's not

962
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: on the up and up right. And I guarantee you

963
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: there are multiple times where something initially appears to be

964
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: a red flag and it turns out not to be

965
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: anything nefarious right, where it's like, whow where did all

966
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 4: these Terry Rogier under beets come from?

967
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: And the amount of money, like wow, is there something

968
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: to this?

969
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 4: And and it makes sense to dig and try to

970
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 4: find out if there is, But there are a lot

971
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: of times there isn't. It's like what Jared said, it's

972
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 4: just good information. It's that Terry Roseier getting up Hey

973
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: uh yeah, is uh big Johnny available, Like, hey, big

974
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: Johnny just got a tip for you. I'm gonna leave

975
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: ten minutes in, you might want to hit the unders,

976
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like it might not rise

977
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: to that degree, but I always find it interesting when

978
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: something looks like a red flag, Like it's all the

979
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: time in life. If you saw your wife rich having

980
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: lunch with a male supermodel, you might be.

981
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: Like, well, what's going on here?

982
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 4: And it's just like settled down. This is totally on

983
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: the up and up right, like it happens in gambling.

984
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, I.

985
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: Mean, and to your point, if you if if you.

986
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 5: Have a situation like that, that's easily explainable for everybody

987
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 5: in the know, Like, oh, you know, they grew up

988
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 5: on the same block, you know what I mean, they

989
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 5: were childhood friends and she was just sitting down for

990
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: lunch catching up with a supermodel friend. It's like, well,

991
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 5: that's one story. But like if there was no knowledge

992
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 5: of each other, they met online somehow, maybe.

993
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: You ask a couple more questions, you know, I mean,

994
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: But your point is well founded.

995
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: I think there are certain things that look too strange

996
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 5: to be coincidental, so you have to ask one more question.

997
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 5: And in sports betting, I don't blame anybody for wanting

998
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 5: to ask one more question, but to jump to conclusions

999
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 5: in the case you were making and be like, she's

1000
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 5: cheating on me, Well, hang on, before you make bold

1001
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 5: accusations that could affect future Let's let's pump the brakes

1002
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 5: and let's gather information. And that's where the NBA is

1003
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: with their investigation. That's where the federal government or federal

1004
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 5: investigators are with their investigation. They're pumping the breaks. They're

1005
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 5: in the gather information phase. Now it's impossible for a

1006
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 5: name as big as Terry Rozier not to get some

1007
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 5: publicity during this phase. I mean, think about shoe Hey Otani.

1008
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 5: We just went through this with Major League Baseball. I

1009
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 5: mean it turned out that it was one hundred percent

1010
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 5: is interpreter, and that was after an MLB investigation and

1011
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 5: a federal investigation, and and you know, this was this

1012
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 5: was one of those things that could have easily blown

1013
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 5: up a sports league and caused major damage to the

1014
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 5: reputation of that league or the potentially the viability or

1015
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 5: the integrity of that league. Fortunately for Major League Baseball,

1016
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 5: there wasn't this enormous scandal to unravel. And so it

1017
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 5: was Mitchihara who was acting on his own and was

1018
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 5: actually stealing from his friend as far as the investigation revealed.

1019
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: But who knows.

1020
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 5: Maybe this is going to be much ado over nothing.

1021
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 5: Maybe the sport of basketball is gonna move on unscathed

1022
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 5: from this. But I don't think it's inappropriate to ask

1023
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 5: one more question and if that question doesn't satisfy you,

1024
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 5: one more question after that. And that's the process we're

1025
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 5: going through right now. And when there's so much money

1026
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 5: tied to sports betting and the league itself. I mean,

1027
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: part of the reason why so many people are interested

1028
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 5: in watching the NBA in the first place is because

1029
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 5: it's supposed to have integrity.

1030
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: We're not supposed.

1031
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 5: To see the outcomes before they actually happen. It could

1032
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 5: have enormous ramifications, and that's why they're conducting this investigation.

1033
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, the way the process works is there's a company

1034
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 6: or you know, an entity called US Integrity, and they

1035
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 6: will flag a game if there's unusual wagering activity before

1036
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 6: the game's even played.

1037
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: They will And I've gotten these alerts before.

1038
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 6: I've gotten them from sports book operators that say, hey,

1039
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 6: this game's flag.

1040
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: Maybe don't talk about it on your show.

1041
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 6: And this happens more frequently than you think more so

1042
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 6: in college basketball college baseball. Remember we did the game

1043
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 6: or we did the show in Cincinnati at the book

1044
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 6: that was the book where the guy walked in and

1045
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: made all those bets on the college baseball games that

1046
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: were allegedly, Hey.

1047
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: This guy's not starting in this game, you should start the.

1048
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 6: Like that's when you see unusual wagering activity on a

1049
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 6: certain sports, certain game, certain prop the red flags start

1050
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 6: to go off. The reason why I think all of

1051
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 6: this is connected in the same ring. Again, the game

1052
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 6: with Rogier was March twenty third, twenty twenty three.

1053
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: The Jontay Porter stuff happened last year.

1054
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 6: Then you have the Temple situation where in March of

1055
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three you had games allegedly being fixed by Temple.

1056
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 6: So you're noticing a pattern here. It was all kind

1057
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 6: of in the same timeframe. And again, what I think

1058
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 6: is happening here. I think this group of gamblers was

1059
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 6: very well connected and they were making all kinds of

1060
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 6: bets in that time. Hey we got information over here,

1061
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 6: we're betting this. Hey we got information here, We're betting this.

1062
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 6: And eventually they got caught. I think the Porter thing

1063
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 6: because of again the amount of money that he makes,

1064
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 6: and the college athletes being more susceptible because they don't

1065
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 6: really make any money. That's the part that alarms me.

1066
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, well they might be in on it.

1067
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 6: I don't think Terry Rozier is in on this. I

1068
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 6: think his one hundred million dollar contract is light years

1069
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 6: ahead of anything he could possibly make betting on a

1070
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 6: prop in the NBA. Like the way these props are structured,

1071
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 6: the way a lot of the college basketball.

1072
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: Wagers are structured.

1073
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 6: You can only bet a certain limit, so like maybe

1074
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 6: there's like a fifty hundred thousand dollars limit on one

1075
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 6: of these bets. Well, if one bet is being made,

1076
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 6: how much is the player actually gonna make ten fifteen grand?

1077
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 6: Like how much are you risking your entire life, your integrity,

1078
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 6: your your reputation for ten grand? Like, so I think

1079
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 6: we have to eliminate some of the certain upper echelon players,

1080
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 6: like they're not gonna get involved in this college sports

1081
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 6: lower level players. That's where like Choweer Tani doesn't care

1082
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 6: if you're betting ten grand on a prop, how much

1083
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 6: is he making? Like that's where you're like, all right,

1084
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 6: we need to get away from the obvious.

1085
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: Usually the obvious answer is the correct one.

1086
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 6: Terry Rozier in one hundred million dollar contract. He's not

1087
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 6: gonna get involved in something like this. But the information

1088
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 6: is all surrounding a certain period of time, and that's

1089
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 6: why I think it's just one group that had really

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Speaker 4: Coming up next, our main man, Seamus McGee. He gets

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Speaker 4: us all set for Super Bowl fifty nine, might.

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Speaker 2: Alright, let's do this.

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Speaker 1: Follow the money real good one.

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Speaker 4: Yes, following the money with our good friend Seamus McGee,

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Speaker 4: team lead of Sports Trading at bet MGM. Good morning

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Speaker 4: to you, Seamus. Let's just dive into Super Bowl fifty

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Speaker 4: nine over here. I'm curious what you initially think about it,

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Speaker 4: whether you like props, A side, a total. What's your

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Speaker 4: initial feel for the game next week?

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Speaker 10: Hey guys, thanks for having me back. It's it's the

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Speaker 10: two best teams in the league in my opinion, so

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Speaker 10: we can't ask for a better matchup. In my opinion,

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Speaker 10: I think the spread's right. Like, I don't know if

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna have an opinion on the side here. I

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Speaker 10: think this is the right number, is anything? I lean

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Speaker 10: on the under here. I think this is gonna be

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Speaker 10: a really big defensive matchup. Might look at some props

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00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 10: maybe for some you know, secondary receivers that's usually my

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00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 10: go to in the Super Bowl, But I actually feel

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Speaker 10: like this is gonna be a little overscoring this year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of agree, actually, especially if both defenses

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Speaker 6: bring their lunch payals. I mean, this does feel like

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Speaker 6: a team a game where the defenses are maybe a

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Speaker 6: little bit underrated because we have you know, obviously Patrick

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Speaker 6: Mahomes and the elite offenses that we do Seamus. The

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl is a different game.

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Speaker 2: For the professionals than most.

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Speaker 6: Talk about how the pros treat this game and why

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00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 6: they don't look at the side and the total in

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00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 6: and why the prop market is such a big thing

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 6: during this game.

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Speaker 10: Well, the Super Bowl is a different week for the

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00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 10: books as well. You might notice we are probably going

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Speaker 10: to have around between one thousand to two thousand betting

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Speaker 10: markets to offer on bet MGM this year. I'd say

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Speaker 10: probably towards the middle for our fifteen hundred at least

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Speaker 10: the bank on, but there are that many options across,

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 10: so many sports books. There's so many opportunities, and if

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00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 10: you'd shop around a lot, that's big if you got

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Speaker 10: to shop around for numbers here, because you will be

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Speaker 10: able to find a really good number for you to

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Speaker 10: take advantage of, whether it's a first quarter rushing yards

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 10: prop or you know, second half receiving yards, like there's

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Speaker 10: you're probably gonna find an opportunity somewhere on some book

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Speaker 10: where you can find a good number.

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Speaker 5: Is there a specific prop that always seems to benefit

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Speaker 5: the better? You know, almost like a lost leader for

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Speaker 5: a sports book a little bit. Hey, you know, we're

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Speaker 5: gonna sprinkle this in for you just to get you

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Speaker 5: through the doors.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's just the closest what I can really

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Speaker 10: think of. We you know, we pose as any Marcus

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Speaker 10: as we can because we think we're gonna we try

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Speaker 10: to win on all these Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah obviously.

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Speaker 5: You know you know how like when you when you

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Speaker 5: walk into a Walmart or like a Target, uh shamus,

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Speaker 5: Like you know, they'll sell the coca cola sometimes for

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Speaker 5: it's like, oh my gosh, fifty cents. They must be

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Speaker 5: losing money on coca cola. But they're like, yeah, but

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Speaker 5: that's just to get you in the store to buy

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Speaker 5: a TV.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll give you one example, Like we're are juice

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Speaker 10: on the coin toss right now, where it's minus one

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Speaker 10: of three both sides. It might be minus one of two.

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01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 10: I could I could be off right here, but that's

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Speaker 10: one reason. That's one thing we try to get in

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Speaker 10: there for just off and lower juice on something like

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Speaker 10: the coin toss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Seamus, I had a random bet. Gosh,

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Speaker 4: this is Super Bowl forty three between the Steelers and Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget. I bet on Obama to mention the

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Speaker 4: Steelers first in the pregame interview. And the guy interviewing

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Speaker 4: him was like, you know, mister President, and I know

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Speaker 4: that you are a fan of the Steelers, but come on,

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Speaker 4: Kurt Warner and this Cardinals team. And he let him

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Speaker 4: in and Obama said, I don't know who he mentioned first,

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Speaker 4: but he said, you know, I love Kurt Warner, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, no, this idiot. But I looked at I

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Speaker 4: won the bet because he technically didn't mention the Cardinals first.

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Speaker 2: He must have mentioned the Steelers. Crazy.

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Speaker 4: But the point is the question becomes, is there that

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Speaker 4: would be the top of the list of the most

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Speaker 4: random Super Bowl bet that I've laid down.

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Speaker 3: Is there one on your list that is pretty random?

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Speaker 10: I have a very similar story Rams Bengals. I liked

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Speaker 10: Cooper Cup for MVP. I had a wager on him

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Speaker 10: to win that, and you could ben on who will

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Speaker 10: he mention first in his speech when he wins the MVP,

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Speaker 10: And I was like, Cooper Cup is very religious, so

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Speaker 10: I was like, he's gonna mention God first, and this

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Speaker 10: guy mentions his family first.

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Speaker 2: What a huge tool. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So the bets that I usually like to make

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Speaker 6: during the Super Bowl, they're usually pretty juicy, Seamus, Like,

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Speaker 6: for example, this year, I love the shortest touchdown under

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Speaker 6: one and a half yards.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna like seventy five cents on that bet.

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of betters we live in

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Speaker 6: the society risk a little to win a lot. But

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Speaker 6: a lot of the professionals at this time of year,

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Speaker 6: they are betting on the minus five hundred props because

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Speaker 6: they should be priced at minus a thousand because there's

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Speaker 6: so much action on the yes on the over on

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Speaker 6: the plus side of the ledger that it makes those

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Speaker 6: will there be a safety in the game, like it

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Speaker 6: makes the no more valuable. So it's kind of a

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Speaker 6: weird time of year where all the RECs are trying

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Speaker 6: to bet on the crazy stuff and all the pros

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Speaker 6: are trying to bet on the stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's normal because for some reason during the.

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl you just get a lot of action on

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Speaker 6: the other side.

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Speaker 10: It's one of those events where it's the most bet

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Speaker 10: on sporting event we have every year, and people bet

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Speaker 10: on things to happen, and a lot of the pros

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Speaker 10: and a lot of the sharps will take the opposite side.

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Speaker 10: A lot of It's still a football game, and there's

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Speaker 10: plenty of times where things just don't happen. So like

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Speaker 10: under one and a half, that's a good one. A

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Speaker 10: lot of people have been betting that just because they

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Speaker 10: know that the element of the toush push with the Eagles.

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Speaker 10: But you talked about will there be a safety? If

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Speaker 10: there's ever a safety, it's always bad for us. If

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Speaker 10: the game ever goes to overtime, it's going to be

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Speaker 10: bad for the book. Things like that.

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Speaker 2: The Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl comes up tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: How busy of a day is that at sports books

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Speaker 5: or since the game has been diluted a little bit,

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Speaker 5: has has interest in betting.

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Speaker 2: The Pro Bowl also gone that way.

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Speaker 10: You know, It's it's a tricky one because we're in

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Speaker 10: about twenty six states with BETEMGM, but not a lot

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Speaker 10: of states offer any it's at all. Pro Bowl betting.

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Speaker 10: A lot of books, a lot of states will let

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Speaker 10: you bet on the dodgeball game, and more than half

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Speaker 10: the time it's just you know, minus one ten, minus

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Speaker 10: one fifteen both sides. But it's it's definitely not an

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Speaker 10: event that takes a lot of action these days.

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Speaker 4: I just love the idea of the hardcore gamblers handicapping

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Speaker 4: the dodgeball event.

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Speaker 6: You know, I was at a gapping the senior ball

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Speaker 6: over the weekend, I mean over this week. I was

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Speaker 6: trying to figure out there's any quarterback edge on these games.

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Speaker 6: So I'm in it right now with some of these exhibitions.

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Speaker 4: All right, Seamus, it's time for the Seamus Special right here?

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Speaker 4: Are you going Super Bowl fifty nine or.

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Speaker 3: You some action today? Is what I feel like? Where

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Speaker 3: are you taking us?

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Speaker 10: I'd be remiss to not mention that I'm currently boots

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Speaker 10: on the ground in Indianapolis for the.

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Speaker 2: Royal Rumble Okay, yeah, wow.

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Speaker 10: You can't legally wager on this, but you need to

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Speaker 10: pick if you're any pools. Give me la night today, goes.

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Speaker 10: I've been cold, I have been ice cold giving you

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Speaker 10: picks out lately. And I can't take my eyes off

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Speaker 10: this Florida Gators basketball team. They go to Knoxville today.

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Speaker 10: They are three and a half point dog. I think

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Speaker 10: you take the points. I think he even shot it

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Speaker 10: winning this game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, offense for sure, gonna be a good clash between

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Speaker 4: Florida's offense and Tennessee's defense. That'll be fun for sure,

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01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: all right. Either, Yeah, that's a big deal. That's this guy.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff is always seamous. Hope you enjoy your time

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 4: in Indianapolis. We'll catch you soon, man.

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Speaker 10: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: There he is Seamus McGee, team lead of sports trading

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Speaker 4: at bet MGS. Okay, so we go from Seamus talking

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Speaker 4: about the upcoming Royal Rumble that is off.

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Speaker 2: First for this show we've never called wrestling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there is no transition I feel like from

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Speaker 4: that to Justin Tucker. But Justin Tucker needs to be

1290
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 4: talked about. So the Ravens kicker has been accused of

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Speaker 4: inappropriate sexual behavior by six massage therapists.

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Speaker 2: Tucker is denying these allegations.

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Speaker 4: It reportedly occurred between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. And look, man,

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Speaker 4: I try to keep it as simple as possible. If

1295
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 4: there's one allegation, okay, If there are a couple allegations,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 2: If there are.

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Speaker 4: Six allegations, immediately I start thinking, Wow, it's getting harder

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Speaker 4: and harder to believe the guy that's saying no, there's

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Speaker 4: nothing to this whatsoever. It's like, okay, for that to

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Speaker 4: be true, and it might, I'm not closing the door

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Speaker 4: on that, but for that to be true, these six

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Speaker 4: massage therapists would basically think to themselves in some capacity, Hey,

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01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 4: this guy is totally professional. He hasn't done anything creepy whatsoever.

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01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 4: Let's just make all of this up. And that's hard

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 4: to buy. I'm curious where you guys are right now

1307
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 4: in this, justin Tucker's story.

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Speaker 5: I agree with the sentiment that you just passed along

1309
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 5: right there. I think that it's human nature when something

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Speaker 5: doesn't work one time, or when you hear something one time,

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01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 5: we sort of.

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Speaker 2: Let it go, right, you know.

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Speaker 5: I have this little remote control that turns on the

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Speaker 5: light in the room I'm in. And if I click

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Speaker 5: it once and the light doesn't come on, I don't

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01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 5: assume the light bulbs out. I don't assume like, oh wow,

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 5: the power's out in the house. I click the button again,

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 5: and if it doesn't work a second time, I'll click

1319
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 5: it a third or a fourth or a fifth time,

1320
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 5: just to make sure that I clicked it with the

1321
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 5: right pressure or you know that maybe the And then

1322
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 5: you start going through your mind like, okay, well, maybe

1323
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 5: there is an issue. I'm gonna ask the first question,

1324
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 5: does this remote have batteries in it? The next one,

1325
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 5: maybe I checked the light bulb like But my point

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 5: is human nature, you need more than one, more than

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 5: one example to prove the rule.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to diminish what we're talking about here,

1330
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 5: But if you're going to a restaurant and on Yelp

1331
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 5: it says five stars, but then you realize only three

1332
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 5: people have reviewed this restaurant, you may say to yourself, huh,

1333
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 5: that's a little strange. Maybe I'm gonna go to the

1334
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 5: restaurant that was reviewed by thousands of people who have

1335
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 5: a four and a half star rating because there's proof

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 5: in numbers.

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01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: That's my point here. There's proof in numbers.

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 5: The reason why Deshaun Watson seems so guilty to us,

1339
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 5: even though he was never tried or found guilty in

1340
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 5: a court of law for what he did. There's proof

1341
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 5: in numbers. Even though Justin is innocent until proven guilty,

1342
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 5: there's proof in numbers. And so regardless of how this

1343
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 5: all shakes out, regardless of how many times he denies this,

1344
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 5: it's going to be difficult for his reputation to ever

1345
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 5: survive this completely intact, because, like you just pointed out, Brian,

1346
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 5: it feels like where there's smoke, there's fire.

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01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll read you a quote from Goldfinger, very famous

1348
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 6: bond novel by Ian Flaming.

1349
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: Once his happenstance twice as coincidence, three times as enemy action.

1350
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we at six now?

1351
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I don't know anything about the situation other

1352
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 6: than what I've read on the Baltimore Banner, which is

1353
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 6: the independent newspaper that broke this story. Obviously, there's a

1354
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 6: lot of quotes, there's a lot of evidence. I don't

1355
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 6: know if it's true or not, but it's hard to

1356
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 6: ignore when it's multiple times, and you read some of

1357
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 6: this stuff and it's it's it's graphic.

1358
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is.

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01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 6: It is hard to make that up. When things are

1360
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 6: very detailed and very graphic. You're like, wow, like that

1361
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 6: sounds really bad. And if it's wrong, if it's a lie,

1362
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 6: that means someone had to cook that story up in

1363
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 6: their head and then.

1364
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: Have it corroborated by multiple other people.

1365
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 6: It's just Okham's razor, man, Like, the most logical answer

1366
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 6: is probably the right one.

1367
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: And when you have all of this stuff just.

1368
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 6: Thrown in your face and then you have Tucker's statement

1369
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 6: that says it's false, you know you gotta believe what Now,

1370
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 6: the truth probably.

1371
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 2: Is somewhere in between.

1372
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 6: Usually with these stories, there's one side, there's the other side,

1373
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 6: and then there's the truth. But because of the amount

1374
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 6: of people that are coming out and corroborating this story,

1375
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 6: I think the truth leans a little bit more towards

1376
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 6: the side of the defendants and or excuse me, the prosecutor,

1377
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 6: you know, the plaintiff in this case, and not necessarily

1378
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 6: the defendant.

1379
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 2: So we'll see how it turns out. But I don't

1380
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: want to go out.

1381
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 6: On a lemon and say this is the reason why

1382
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 6: Justin Tucker's production fell off this year.

1383
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 2: But is that fair to say?

1384
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if there's an element there

1385
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 4: if he knew this was yeah, you know, this was.

1386
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 6: A break at any time, I imagine you knew this

1387
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 6: was hanging over your head and at any time it

1388
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 6: could happen, probably would affect your mental.

1389
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 2: Health a little bit.

1390
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, maybe he on the football field, he was

1391
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 4: a completely different guy exact past season totally, So I

1392
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 4: don't know.

1393
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe there's something there to it.

1394
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 4: But that's the weird part of this as well, is

1395
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 4: we never talk about this as being a crime. Also

1396
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 4: is the denial if you're completely guilty, you know what

1397
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, think about that. I don't think we

1398
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 4: spend much time about that on that if there's a

1399
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 4: true victim here or victims, and yet the person that

1400
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 4: is guilty is like, I'm one hundred percent innocent, you

1401
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, think how much that would

1402
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 4: affect you? If you think about the other side of

1403
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 4: this is if you were abused in any sort of

1404
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 4: way and the person doing the abusing is saying the

1405
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 4: exact opposite of Hey, yeah, yeah, I am the abuser,

1406
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 4: it's no, I didn't do anything right like that. That's

1407
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 4: another layer to this that I think we oftentimes closs

1408
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 4: over because we're not in the shoes of the victims,

1409
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But think how that would

1410
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 4: make you feel if you were victimized in some sort

1411
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 4: of way and the person doing this is like, no,

1412
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 4: unequivocally totally false. It's like, really that you talk about

1413
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 4: gas lighting, you know what I mean? So, and that

1414
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 4: happens all of the time. I'm curious if this is

1415
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 4: another example of that.

1416
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also the shoe goes on the other foot.

1417
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 5: And in the case of Justin Tucker or Deshaun Watson,

1418
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 5: since I brought him up earlier, I I, like I

1419
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 5: said earlier, I'm more on the side of there's obviously.

1420
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 5: It feels I shouldn't say obviously, because nothing's obvious until

1421
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 5: you have more information, But it feels like there's proof

1422
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 5: in numbers here. What I'll add to it is I

1423
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 5: have seen either teammates or have known of players who've

1424
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 5: been accused of things that they have not done, you know,

1425
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 5: And that's a scary situation.

1426
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: To be in too. You know.

1427
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 5: While I don't want any victim of any crime to

1428
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 5: ever feel like they should not come forward with information

1429
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 5: they have that has.

1430
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: Irreparably harmed them or or not.

1431
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 5: You know, if a crime was committed against you, I

1432
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 5: don't want you to be afraid to come forward. But

1433
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 5: there have been people who have lied, just flat out,

1434
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 5: boldface lied sure about things that may or may not

1435
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 5: have happened. And man, that becomes a slippery slope too.

1436
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 5: Look smarter people than I have argued these cases is

1437
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 5: on behalf of victims or you know, or plaintiffs or defendants.

1438
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 2: You know, these these issues.

1439
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 5: It feels so I feel so out of my depth

1440
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 5: when they come up as a broadcaster to discuss it,

1441
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 5: because I've never been involved in a case like this.

1442
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer.

1443
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 5: We have a legal team that represents us at the network,

1444
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 5: but that's about as far as my understanding of all

1445
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 5: this goes. I'll just say this, like, I'm hopeful that

1446
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 5: in this country we have a system set up that

1447
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 5: can get to the bottom of this. And so if

1448
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 5: people were harmed, they're going to see fair retribution, or

1449
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 5: I should say for those who committed crimes they see

1450
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 5: fair repute retribution and for those who that have been

1451
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 5: harmed by any crime, if there was any crime, they

1452
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 5: they get fair compensation. That's the best we can do,

1453
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 5: and that's the best we can hope. But yeah, there's

1454
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 5: no question this would have an impact on me if

1455
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 5: I was being accused of things like this. I mean,

1456
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 5: I just can speak only personally. I mean, this is

1457
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 5: this is insane.

1458
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: I mean, what Justin.

1459
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,919
Speaker 5: Tucker looked like this season, I think is a direct

1460
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 5: reflection of the stress that this put on him. And

1461
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 5: I think that is the smallest part of this story.

1462
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I think, and again from an

1463
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 6: analyst standpoint of watching what I see on the field

1464
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 6: and trying to make sense of it, the most accurate

1465
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 6: kicker of all time, all of a sudden turning into

1466
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,520
Speaker 6: like Elmer Fudd out there is just it's almost ineffable.

1467
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 6: This would make it a little more affable, like literally.

1468
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 6: And also I'm curious how the Ravens react to it,

1469
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 6: because Harball was very vocal about the Watson situation a

1470
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 6: couple of years ago, zero tolerance. This so to me

1471
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 6: like now it's time for the Ravens organization, which has

1472
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 6: been a class organization for decades, to step up and

1473
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 6: figure out do their own investigation really get to the

1474
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 6: bottom of this, because if they protect Tucker and he

1475
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 6: turns out to be guilty, also speaks to.

1476
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 2: The Ravens organization. We went through this with Penn State.

1477
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 6: You know, it was a obviously much different situation, but

1478
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 6: a lot of the blame fell on Joepov were allowing

1479
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 6: it to happen. And I think that is the key here,

1480
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 6: is how the Ravens organization responds to it.

1481
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 2: If the accusations proved to be true.

1482
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 4: Well, and that's the other part is if Justin Tucker

1483
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 4: is guilty, it's stressed that he put onto himself, you

1484
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like that he did that to

1485
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 4: himself and if that had an impact on his season

1486
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,879
Speaker 4: as well, that's all he's doing. Again, if he's guilty,

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Speaker 4: Player plays yes, prop bets go, Lord shared, we start

1518
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 4: with you.

1519
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 3: What do you like?

1520
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 2: Well?

1521
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 6: I gave you the shortest touchdown under one and a

1522
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 6: half yards.

1523
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: Love that it's juicy.

1524
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 6: Here's another juicy one that the pros love to bet,

1525
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 6: and I love it again. In this game three unanswered scores?

1526
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 6: Will there be three unanswered scores in the game? I

1527
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 6: always bet the yes here it's minus one seven. I

1528
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 6: know that sounds juicy, but even in lower scoring games.

1529
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 6: For example, remember that ninety nine Super Bowl between the

1530
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 6: Rams and the Titans, the Derek Mason game, twenty three

1531
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 6: to sixteen, final low scoring game. Both teams in that

1532
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 6: game had three unanswered scores. Love this prop it's won.

1533
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 6: The pros love three unanswered scores in the game on bet.

1534
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,879
Speaker 5: Yes, Wow, how about first touchdown scorer?

1535
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 3: All right, let's I'll guess they'll break. Let's get it.

1536
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 5: I I okay, So Super Bowl fifty nine in my head,

1537
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 5: I don't know why it's it's measuring up this way

1538
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 5: for me.

1539
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 2: But can't you just.

1540
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 5: See Saquon Barkley racking off a long run to start

1541
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 5: this one, and I'm sure he's at the top of

1542
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,799
Speaker 5: the board. In fact, i'm I checked.

1543
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: This out earlier in the week.

1544
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,879
Speaker 5: I think the next closest with Jalen Hurts his teammate

1545
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 5: plus four hundred, and I'm guessing you get four to.

1546
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 2: One on this one.

1547
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 5: I like Sakuon Barkley to score first. I think he

1548
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 5: opens the door to what's gonna be a fairly high

1549
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,879
Speaker 5: scoring game. I think they're gonna have to trade blows

1550
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 5: to see who's gonna take this one.

1551
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 2: Give me Saquon Barkley.

1552
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you.

1553
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 4: You know I'm going with Saquon Barkley over twenty one

1554
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 4: and a half rushing attempts. He's their best matchup problem

1555
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 4: like right, Like the Eagles offensive line, Saquon Barkley has

1556
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 4: been magnificent. Chiefs rush defense, leaky in the play. If

1557
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 4: they're going down, I think they're going down with their

1558
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 4: best player.

1559
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 3: I like it, So I'll go with that, all right.

1560
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 4: Coming up next, this guy stock is skyrocketing in my eyes.

1561
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: Oh, welcome in.

1562
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 4: I hope your Saturday is off to a fantastic start.

1563
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.

1564
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: This guy's stock is just skyrocketing.

1565
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 4: In my eyes, that would be Bill's running back James Cook. Okay,

1566
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 4: one little layer on the week of whining that has

1567
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 4: been is after the AFC title game, where you just

1568
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 4: heard everybody.

1569
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 2: Oh, the fix is it, it's rigged.

1570
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 4: I learned who mL football is and I want nothing

1571
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 4: to do with mL football going.

1572
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 2: For the aggregators. Oh gosh, wow.

1573
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 4: But James Cook, the Bill's running back, he shared his

1574
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 4: opinion about the Josh Allen failed fourth down attempt. Right,

1575
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 4: a lot of people thought it was a first down.

1576
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 4: Refs didn't rule it a first down. Chiefs ball on

1577
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 4: that play, James Cook said, you've got to come in

1578
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 4: there ready to go, ready to play, don't give a

1579
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 4: ref nothing to call.

1580
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: And I love that.

1581
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: I really love that a player on the Bill's side

1582
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 4: isn't saying.

1583
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: It's rigged the fix. It was a first down.

1584
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, we should have done more than

1585
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 4: we did. That's being a grownup, that's taking accountability. I

1586
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 4: love that approach by James Cook, so shout out to him.

1587
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 4: I had two thoughts here I want to share with

1588
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 4: you guys real fast. The first one is if that

1589
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 4: was a first down, do the Bills win the game?

1590
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 4: You know, are you feeling very confident? The Bills had

1591
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 4: a one point lead with about thirteen minutes to play,

1592
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: and if that's a first down, who knows. Maybe they

1593
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 4: kick a field goal, go up four. Maybe they score

1594
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 4: a touchdown. Maybe they score a touchdown and go for

1595
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 4: two and get that and they're up by ten with

1596
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 4: under tenish minutes to go. Oh right, it could have

1597
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 4: helped their odds quite a bit. Maybe they didn't score

1598
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 4: at all. Right, this is a team that had a

1599
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 4: lead in that same stadium in the playoffs with thirteen

1600
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 4: seconds to play and still lost, you know, So that

1601
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 4: part of it is interesting to me. And then I had, Man,

1602
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 4: you ever wake up in a cold sweat just nightmare city?

1603
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1604
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 4: I was talking to our trusted producer, Bo Benson and

1605
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 4: iowa Sam who's with us this morning, shout out to

1606
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 4: him technical producer, And I just had this chill go

1607
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 4: up and down my spine. Where is this just the

1608
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 4: tip of the iceberg with the wine fest? As far

1609
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 4: as the chiefs and favorable calls, what if they get

1610
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 4: a couple of favorable calls in the Super Bowl on

1611
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 4: the heels of the AFC title game like that? That's

1612
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 4: my nightmare right there. This week has been nauseating. I

1613
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 4: can't take it if it's if it gets worse than this,

1614
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 4: and there's at least the potential that happens, because you

1615
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 4: know they're gonna twist any thing into it's rigged, it's fixed.

1616
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: Here's a screenshot. Why isn't this holding?

1617
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if this happens again in the biggest

1618
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 4: game we got.

1619
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 2: The Chiefs have had good luck.

1620
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 5: I will say that in terms of how games are

1621
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 5: officiated when you look at the numbers, and I do

1622
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 5: think that luck is a factor we need to discuss

1623
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 5: when we're talking about sports overall. You know, there are

1624
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 5: times where a guy hits a three pointer and you're like,

1625
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 5: all right, that's undeniable. That's Steph Curry. Nobody was guarding him.

1626
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 5: He's gonna sink something north of fifty percent of those

1627
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 5: because he's just he's just a nice cold killer from

1628
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 5: beyond the arc. But then there's times where it's like, yeah,

1629
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 5: it's Steph Curry and he's really good at shooting three pointers.

1630
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: But he was fouled hard, he was falling backwards. He

1631
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 5: shot off of one foot while he was about to

1632
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 5: fall on his back. And somehow chucked up a prayer

1633
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 5: and it went through. Like not all three pointers, you know,

1634
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 5: are the same. And that's the same with games and calls.

1635
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 5: And I think Warren Sharp he broke it down better

1636
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 5: than anybody else I've seen so far.

1637
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: He took a look at all of the Chiefs playoffs.

1638
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 5: Games and he tried to evaluate objectively based on statistics

1639
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 5: and numbers, whether or not they've had a statistical advantage

1640
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 5: in the postseason, and they have. They have, But I'm

1641
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 5: not willing to believe it's a conspiracy. I think they've

1642
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 5: just been lucky in that way. Now that luck.

1643
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: Alone doesn't mean you're going to win those games. It

1644
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 2: can help. But like you said, Brian, and I.

1645
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 5: Think everybody who watches football understands this. Anything can happen. Okay,

1646
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 5: so the Bills they get stopped on fourth down, Well,

1647
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 5: their defense could have came on the field and stopped

1648
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 5: the Chiefs. Yeah, I mean, like, are we just forgetting

1649
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 5: that part? Are we just forgetting the part that Yeah,

1650
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 5: that moment was lucky for the Chiefs because it really

1651
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 5: could have gone either way. I don't think there would

1652
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 5: have been an enormous people a number of people out

1653
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 5: there complaining about it.

1654
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: If it went the way of the Bills.

1655
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 5: So it was kind of a coin toss moment, and

1656
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 5: they gave the coin toss to the Chiefs. Okay, fine, Well,

1657
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills still have an opportunity to stop the

1658
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 5: Chiefs on the ensuing drive and they didn't. And the

1659
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 5: Buffalo bill still had many opportunities after that to win

1660
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 5: the game and they didn't. So that's my problem with

1661
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 5: using that one soul variable for your entire argument, because

1662
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 5: the only reason why we watch football in the first

1663
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 5: place is because there's so many variables. There's no reruns

1664
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 5: in sports, you know what I mean. Like, the reason

1665
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 5: why it's interesting to watch live sports is because it's novel.

1666
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 5: You know, we're not turning on Saved by the Bell

1667
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 5: and and thinking, maybe this time Zach ends up dating Lisa.

1668
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 5: Now we know who he takes it to the dance, right,

1669
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 5: we've seen it all before.

1670
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 2: Not with football.

1671
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 5: These outcomes aren't predetermined, and that's the reason why we're

1672
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 5: so interested in them. And that's why it's so interesting

1673
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 5: that the Chiefs have had this much success because it's rare.

1674
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 2: It's rare that we see a team like this, so.

1675
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 5: I again, I don't want to beat the dead horse

1676
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 5: and talk over and over again about how you know

1677
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 5: it's not rigged.

1678
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: And nobody should believe it's rigged. The Chiefs have been lucky.

1679
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 5: We can admit that in that one variable that they've

1680
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 5: gotten some calls, but teams still have opportunities to beat

1681
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 5: them and they don't because they're better.

1682
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, the fallacy of the predetermined outcome is thinking that

1683
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 6: that call, that fourth down, you know in inches, that

1684
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 6: was called short, that's it, game over, Bill's win. What

1685
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 6: are you talking about, Chiefs after that play marched five

1686
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 6: plays fifty nine yards scored a touchdown, and then after

1687
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 6: that the Bills scored a touchdown.

1688
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 2: To tie the game.

1689
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 6: Oh, and then Mahomes drove it eight plays fifty one

1690
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 6: yards to kick the go ahead field goal. And then oh,

1691
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 6: Steve Spagnolo on fourth down called up a perfectly timed

1692
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 6: blitz off the edge and Josh Allen had no chance.

1693
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 6: He had Khalil Shakira open, no chance to find him

1694
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 6: because the blitz was so well timed. We don't talk

1695
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 6: about those things. We only focus on the fourth down call.

1696
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 6: And oh, by the way, that was a fourth down

1697
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 6: call where on third and one. We could have seen

1698
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 6: a first down, but we didn't because they ran the

1699
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 6: same play, They ran the same sneak and.

1700
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: It was stopped multiple times during the game.

1701
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 6: Actually, Chiefs did a really good job stopping the quarterback

1702
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 6: sneak in that game. And instead of Buffalo trying to

1703
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 6: try doing something else, take the onus off the official.

1704
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: The hardest thing to do. In the NFL. We have

1705
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: a spotting of the ball problem. In the NFL, we

1706
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 2: have a spot problem.

1707
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 6: We have fifty plus year old officials from twenty five

1708
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 6: yards away on the sideline trying to figure out where

1709
01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 6: the ball gets spot.

1710
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: And I know we heard a.

1711
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 6: Lot of oh, why can't we use the hawkeye system

1712
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 6: in tennis? Because we can't. They're science against it. In tennis,

1713
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 6: the ball is round, and in football it's an oblong

1714
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 6: shaped and it's being covered up by massive human beings.

1715
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 6: So the cameras where the tennis court is wide open

1716
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 6: in the ball, which is perfectly round, hits a spot

1717
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 6: and they can you know, hawk eye it as they say,

1718
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 6: you can't do.

1719
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 2: That in football. We don't have that technology yet. Maybe

1720
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 2: we'll get there one day. We're not there yet, so

1721
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: right now we have.

1722
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 6: To rely on fifty plus year old officials with their

1723
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 6: eyeballs to trying to figure out where these guys are down.

1724
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: It is a flawed system.

1725
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 6: So if the Bills know it's a flawed system, and

1726
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 6: you're running the play and it's not working, maybe try

1727
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 6: another play and take it out of the officials' eyeballs

1728
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 6: and put.

1729
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: It into Josh Allen's hands. Let him throw it.

1730
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 6: Not gonna be any you know, discourse about that if

1731
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 6: they throw it past the line of scrimmage and it's

1732
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 6: a first down. So again we focus on the tiny

1733
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 6: minute detail of the spot of the ball, but we

1734
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 6: ignore the bigger picture that the Chiefs scored. After that,

1735
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 6: the Bills tied it, the chief score again, and then

1736
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 6: the Chiefs got to stop, like that's what determined the game,

1737
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 6: not that one play. Could that play helped Buffalo win? Yes,

1738
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 6: still wouldn't have scored. They still had to go forty

1739
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 6: yards after that. So we just get very hyper fixated

1740
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 6: on the refs. And I understand why refereeing has been

1741
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 6: an issue in this league for years.

1742
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: It's not exclusive to this season. It's been going on

1743
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: for years.

1744
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 6: I remember one year the Seahawks missed the playoffs because

1745
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 6: of a terrible call on a any Testaverdy goal line

1746
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 6: run with the Jets back in ninety eight before replay.

1747
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 6: This is not a new concept here, but it's rigged.

1748
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 6: If a call goes the Chiefs way, it's rigged. If

1749
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 6: it goes the Eagles way, well that's what's supposed to happen.

1750
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 6: I think that's gonna be the rhetoric after the game

1751
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 6: on Sunday.

1752
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 4: Here's what I'm wondering, guys, is what have you been

1753
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 4: the whiniest about?

1754
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 2: This has been the week of whining, you.

1755
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 4: Know, and I think as football fans, certainly as football betters,

1756
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 4: right you rich, as a football player, there has to

1757
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 4: have been a time or many times where you've been whiny,

1758
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 4: maybe legitimately whiny.

1759
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1760
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 4: I guarantee everybody who's yelling conspiracy and it's rigged that

1761
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 4: they believe in their minds they're completely right, and no

1762
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 4: point to the Josh Allen fourth down and say see

1763
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 4: I'm right, and that's what we do. But the question is,

1764
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 4: what have you been the whiniest about in any sporting event,

1765
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 4: any sport, any outcome.

1766
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this.

1767
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 4: I think the whiniest I've been was the NFC Title

1768
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 4: Game a few years ago when the Saints got absolutely

1769
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 4: ripped off against the Rams, completely ripped off.

1770
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 2: That's at the end of the game.

1771
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 4: This isn't the Josh Allen sneak with thirteen minutes left

1772
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, where who knows what happens even

1773
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 4: if they get the first down. This is the Saints

1774
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 4: on the doorstep of a chip shot field goal if

1775
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 4: that's called past interference, and it was clearly clearly pass interference.

1776
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 4: If that call is made, they kneel on it three

1777
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 4: times and kick a chip shot field goal and they're

1778
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl.

1779
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: The game is over. There's nothing else.

1780
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 4: And these arguments where it's like, well, the Saints, they

1781
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 4: had their opportunities, well sort of the Rams. The Rams

1782
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 4: had opportunities to have a ten point lead and not

1783
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 4: be in that same exact situation as well. So I

1784
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 4: don't want to hear that as far as the Saints go.

1785
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 4: That's the whiniest I've bet. I think legitimately whiny, I

1786
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 4: would point that out. Yeah, yeah, the Saints getting jobbed

1787
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 4: out of the Super Bowl.

1788
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: That's at the top of my list. Rich.

1789
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 4: How about you, what's the whiniest you've been about an outcome.

1790
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 5: I would say it's been about multiple outcomes. And it's

1791
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 5: been over the course of years, literally years. In Major

1792
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 5: League Baseball, you've had umpires outwardly admit at times, whether

1793
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:47,799
Speaker 5: it be caught or captured by microphones or spoken about

1794
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 5: after their career as umpires, where they will give strikes

1795
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 5: sometimes to pitchers, or they'll they'll award a ball to

1796
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 5: a pitchure or to a hitter out of spite sometimes like.

1797
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: That's not how this works. Yeah, that's not how this works.

1798
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 5: A strike zone is a strike zone, a ball is

1799
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 5: a ball, strike as a strike, and outcomes of games

1800
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 5: are determined by who's your home played umpire. So I

1801
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 5: don't find that as fun or like a part of

1802
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 5: the game. Or isn't baseball so interesting because there's so

1803
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:28,839
Speaker 5: much human error? No, no, I don't think it's more interesting.

1804
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 5: I think it's stupid. I think that's dumb. I think

1805
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 5: some big, old fat guy who's just called a bunch

1806
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 5: of games behind home play. And don't get me wrong,

1807
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 5: I'm not that's a sweeping generalization. I'm sure some of

1808
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 5: these umpires are in great shape, but like you know,

1809
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 5: some some jerk who decides because he doesn't like the

1810
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 5: way a guy's acting on the mound, or it is,

1811
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 5: he doesn't like the way a guy spoke to him

1812
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 5: as he approached, you know, the batter's box. He's going

1813
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 5: to ward balls and strikes like. Now, that's not how

1814
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 5: this works. You're not the arbiter. What you're supposed to

1815
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 5: do is determine, by the letter of the law what

1816
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 5: you saw. You know, that's not how this works. You know,

1817
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 5: if you're you're if you're a police officer, you know

1818
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,839
Speaker 5: you you call it like you see it. If somebody's speeding,

1819
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 5: give them a ticket. If somebody's not speeding, you don't

1820
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 5: give them a ticket. If they're going the speed limit,

1821
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 5: you don't just arbitrarily decide because you like somebody's car

1822
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 5: or not, whether or not they get the ticket. And

1823
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 5: so that's been a huge gripe of mind. I cannot

1824
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 5: wait till they go to robot OMPs.

1825
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 2: Screw them. Homeplate umpires are useless as far as I'm concerned.

1826
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 2: There's my wine.

1827
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think whining about the liners in this particular

1828
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 6: case out there, but yeah, well I've had I had

1829
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 6: a tweet go viral over the weekend about it, and

1830
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 6: essentially the tweet read I don't understand that, and I'll

1831
01:33:58,400 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 6: just read.

1832
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 2: You the tweet.

1833
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 6: It didn't most a million views. I don't understand the

1834
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 6: anti Chiefs rhetoric. We're witnessing the greatest We're witnessing history

1835
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 6: on fold with perhaps the greatest QB ever in his prime.

1836
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 6: People are actually upset they're going back to the Super Bowl.

1837
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 6: Do any of you people actually like football?

1838
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: And again, this has nothing to do with who you

1839
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 2: root for during the game.

1840
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 6: This is after the game is over, and the rhetoric

1841
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 6: is still the Chiefs are cheaters, they are getting the

1842
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 6: favorable whistle, the refs are rigging the game for Taylor Swift.

1843
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 6: Like that's the part I just cannot wrap my head around.

1844
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 6: We claim to be football fans. You are witnessing history.

1845
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 6: We have never seen a three peat, and everybody wants

1846
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,480
Speaker 6: to pooh poo it like it's not a good accomplishment.

1847
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 6: Like if you take away the Zebras, the Chiefs would

1848
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 6: just be an average team.

1849
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,759
Speaker 2: Do you know how asinine? The theory is that.

1850
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 6: The NFL, a multi billion dollar league, is rigging games

1851
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 6: for the city of Kansas City, a small which was

1852
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 6: a very afterthought in the NFL for many years because

1853
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 6: of Taylor Swift.

1854
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: Like it's just I just don't understand it.

1855
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 6: It really does make me question if people actually like

1856
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 6: watching football, or if they just like the controversy, if

1857
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 6: they just like the discourse, if they just want to

1858
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 6: be heard. I think this is again, I think that

1859
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 6: this year's Chiefs are the most triggering team I've ever

1860
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 6: seen on social media. Granted, we're in this new era

1861
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 6: of social media where people just love to be negative,

1862
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 6: and I think this Chiefs team is a mirror of

1863
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 6: society that the average person just cannot accept greatness.

1864
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,799
Speaker 2: It has to be rigged, it has to be wrong,

1865
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 2: it has to be nefarious. It just bugs. It bugs

1866
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 2: me to my core.

1867
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does. That's a shame. That's one of the

1868
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 4: layers of shame where you're you're just completely glossing over greatness.

1869
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, He's already one of three players with three

1870
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 4: Super Bowls and two mvy piece. It's Tom Brady and

1871
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 4: Joe Montana are the other guys. He's already on that list.

1872
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 4: Think about that, the history of the NFL, three Super Bowls,

1873
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 4: two MVPs, Mahomes doesn't even thirty yet, Like he'd be

1874
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 4: the fastest to four Super Bowls and two League MVPs.

1875
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 4: If the Chiefs beat the Eagles, and it's all about

1876
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:23,799
Speaker 4: you know, call colors.

1877
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: That's why, come on, man, it's it's ridiculous, it's wild.

1878
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 4: There was something else I read that with the Chiefs

1879
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 4: with their seventeen straight one possession wins, right, the odds

1880
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 4: of that occurring with another team, they gave it a

1881
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 4: one tenth of one percent chance, yeah, of doing that,

1882
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 4: And it's just like, that's what we're watching. We're watching

1883
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 4: something historical. We've never seen a three peat. They're on

1884
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 4: the doorstep of the three pat This is something I

1885
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 4: always say, this, this is something that you'll you'll talk about.

1886
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 4: If you're lucky enough to be around for twenty thirty

1887
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 4: more years, you're gonna tell people, Jared, you and I

1888
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 4: we don't have kids. Maybe we'll have kids one day,

1889
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 4: not to other obviously, but you know, we'll have kids

1890
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 4: in our separate lives, but we'll tell our kids, like, yeah,

1891
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 4: mahomes in this era, if they polish off the three

1892
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,959
Speaker 4: p and that might be the only time it ever happens.

1893
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 4: You can in that story, that's true, but that's what

1894
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 4: you're witnessing, this historical run, and for it to be.

1895
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 2: Only about calls is just it's obnoxious. All Right.

1896
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:33,360
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1897
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1898
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1899
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1900
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1902
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1904
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1905
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Speaker 4: we got a lot to do here. We got hoops

1909
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 4: to talk about. We also have Cam Newton to talk about. Jared,

1910
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 4: you are might be contankerous, Jared on this story. You

1911
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 4: know you requested so it was like this one got

1912
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 4: me a little bit, you know, call a radio station like, hey,

1913
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 4: can you guys play a killing fields from Slayer?

1914
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 2: You know, thoughts on this One'll be perfectly honest with you. Okay.

1915
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 2: So here's the story, Cam Newton.

1916
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 4: He claims that he wouldn't trade his MVP for a

1917
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 4: Super Bowl championship. He wouldn't trade it for a Super

1918
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 4: Bowl ring. He wouldn't even consider it. And that's the

1919
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 4: first part of it. The quote here is what gets me,

1920
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 4: all right. Cam Newton says, I did my job, basically

1921
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 4: the equivalent of saying, if these bums did their jobs,

1922
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 4: that I might have a ring. You know, I don't know, man,

1923
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 4: This to me is it's a bad It's just a

1924
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 4: bad mentality, right, Like I get there's a portion of

1925
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 4: you can't make this trade. So you live in the

1926
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 4: real world and you say, you know, I wouldn't trade

1927
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 4: this for that because it's not possible to do that, right,

1928
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 4: So you make the most of what you do have.

1929
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 4: Maybe there's some layer to that. But if you could,

1930
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 4: let's just live in the if world for a second.

1931
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 4: You wouldn't trade an MVP for a Super Bowl ring.

1932
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 3: You wouldn't do that.

1933
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 4: I just I don't understand why you wouldn't make that trade.

1934
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 4: Football is the ultimate team game. Yeah, you wouldn't want

1935
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 4: to win a ring.

1936
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 3: That's that's the ultimate goal.

1937
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 4: Who says, oh, Man, when I was a kid, I

1938
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,759
Speaker 4: used to dream at night to be in the NFL

1939
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 4: one day and to be.

1940
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 3: A league MVP.

1941
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 4: Who says that, right, Like, so, I don't get the argument,

1942
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 4: but I really don't get the example where I did

1943
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 4: my job that quote.

1944
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 3: Man, there are layers to that quote.

1945
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 5: It's difficult to win a super Bowl with that attitude

1946
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 5: if you're a quarterback, There's no question about it. I

1947
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 5: think Cam. I think Cam's an exceptional player who proves

1948
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:26,799
Speaker 5: that rule. You know the fact that during a MVP

1949
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 5: season they didn't win a super Bowl, and maybe it

1950
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 5: has something to do with that attitude. We'll never know.

1951
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 5: We'll never know, but I do know this. It doesn't

1952
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 5: bother me because Cam that fits his personality. He's self aggrandizing.

1953
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 5: He'll tell you how good he is, and I'm okay

1954
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 5: with that because you know, frankly, there's a lot of

1955
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 5: ways to uh, you know, to peel the onions, so

1956
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 5: to speak. You know, he there's a lot of ways

1957
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 5: to win in the NFL. It doesn't always have to

1958
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 5: be the Patriot way. It doesn't always have to be

1959
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 5: the Kansas City Chiefs way. It doesn't always have to

1960
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 5: be the you know, name other super Bowl champions, the

1961
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 5: Seahawks way, the Steelers way, I mean, the Cowboys. It's

1962
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,759
Speaker 5: been forever since we've seen them win a Super Bowl,

1963
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 5: but they were a dynasty in the nineties, and we've

1964
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 5: reinvented this many different times. There's a lot of different ways.

1965
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 5: And by the way, there are plenty of players on

1966
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 5: those teams who have won Super Bowls who did it

1967
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,759
Speaker 5: for themselves, who were more interested in their own career

1968
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 5: accomplishments than they were about anything that they were going

1969
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 5: to accomplish with their teammates. So I don't really have

1970
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 5: that big of a problem with it. Cam Newton, he

1971
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 5: should play to his personality, or should have, and I

1972
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 5: think he did play to his personality, because that's the

1973
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 5: best version of yourself, when you're not lying, when you're

1974
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 5: not faking the funk, when you're out there being the

1975
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 5: person you are, and I think he.

1976
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 2: Did a good job of that too.

1977
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 5: And by the way, the Carolina Panthers during his time

1978
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 5: there probably saw their best success or did see their

1979
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 5: best success over the course of that.

1980
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 2: Franchise is history, so.

1981
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,919
Speaker 5: I I it doesn't bother me that much I understand

1982
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 5: it's a team sport, and I understand that you.

1983
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Would prefer your quarterback not talk that way.

1984
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 5: But he also won them a lot of football games,

1985
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 5: or helped them win a lot of football games.

1986
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 2: So I don't really have that big of a problem

1987
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 2: with it.

1988
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 6: I think I don't have a problem with it. I

1989
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 6: agree that it's refreshingly honest. Yeah, refreshingly honest to the

1990
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 6: point of like, are you sure, like really, like that's

1991
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 6: your dake?

1992
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 2: Like wow?

1993
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 6: Really not Like there's no way he's lying, Like no,

1994
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 6: you don't give a take like that unless you are

1995
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:45,759
Speaker 6: authentic in your words.

1996
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 2: And I respect that about Cam.

1997
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 6: I think the part that bothers me a little bit

1998
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 6: is it goes against everything that you're taught playing the

1999
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 6: game growing up. And imagine like he finished his career

2000
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 6: on the Patriot, Imagine you stare Bill Belichick in the

2001
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 6: eyes and you say, Bill, I care more about winning

2002
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 6: an MVP than winning a Super Bowl?

2003
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 2: Like what is Like?

2004
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 6: I wonder if he would have I wonder if he

2005
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 6: did say that to Bill and Bill said, Hey, I

2006
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 6: don't care, you're that good.

2007
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna play.

2008
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,680
Speaker 5: I promise you, Jared just to jump in Yeah, just

2009
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 5: knowing him as a coach, the only thing he was

2010
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 5: focused on was everybody doing their job. So regardless of

2011
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,679
Speaker 5: what woke up and motivated you, regardless of what kept

2012
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 5: you in the gym, you know, working the late hours

2013
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 5: while everybody else was resting, I don't think he would

2014
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 5: have cared.

2015
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where I'm at with it.

2016
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 5: Too, is I don't care how you've gotten so good,

2017
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 5: and I don't really care what motivates you as long

2018
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 5: as you don't screw us as a team. You know,

2019
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 5: if your motivations are purely selfish and it helps the team.

2020
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:50,919
Speaker 2: Overall, who cares.

2021
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 5: Let's go win a bunch of Super Bowls with a

2022
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 5: selfish dude. I don't care as long as we're winning now.

2023
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,959
Speaker 5: Is it Is it awful to hear that that somebody

2024
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 5: would would wouldn't sacrifice a personal gain to, you know,

2025
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 5: for the greater good?

2026
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2027
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that that that stinks to hear. That might

2028
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 5: be a tough pill to swallow for his teammates, But

2029
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 5: at the same token, like they they also enjoyed a

2030
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 5: lot of winning because Cam Newton was so talented Fay, Yeah,

2031
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 5: So I don't really care why I think.

2032
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 6: This take lands a lot differently if the play in

2033
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 6: the super Bowl doesn't happen where he fumbles it and

2034
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 6: then decides just I'm not gonna jump on it and

2035
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 6: you know, goes recover it.

2036
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 4: When you're like I did my job, it's like, bro,

2037
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 4: you went alligators, alligator arms and the most crucial moment

2038
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 4: you made a business decision when the super Bowl's on

2039
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 4: the line.

2040
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why the take lands very differently from me.

2041
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 6: And again, I I if I had Cam here and

2042
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 6: we're talking to him, I would say, hey, Cam, I

2043
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 6: appreciate your honesty, because I think the one thing our industry,

2044
01:44:56,160 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 6: the broadcasting industry needs, is refreshing honesty from people who play.

2045
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 6: I want to know what you were thinking, I want

2046
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 6: to know what makes you tick.

2047
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 2: I respect that honesty.

2048
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 6: But then also, you had a chance to win the

2049
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 6: big game and you kind of took the selfish road

2050
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 6: instead in that moment, right, And.

2051
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 2: That's the part that bothers me.

2052
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 6: That's the part that bo I think the take lands

2053
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 6: very differently if that play in the super Bowl doesn't

2054
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 6: happen the way that it did.

2055
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing going back to what Rich is saying,

2056
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 4: I agree, Hey, your motives don't have to be pure,

2057
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 4: you know, but but if you take us to the

2058
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 4: Promised Land, who cares? The problem is a lot of

2059
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 4: times selfish motives and you short of the Lombardi Trophy, you.

2060
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

2061
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 4: Like literally, And I'd also think this too. Mahomes has

2062
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 4: said this. He said, I only care about winning the

2063
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. I totally believe him. He doesn't care about, Hey,

2064
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 4: what are my touchdown numbers? What's my passer rating? I'm tracing,

2065
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 4: I'm chasing Tom Brady like I need more individual accolades.

2066
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't care about any of that. He only cares

2067
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 4: about winning a super Bowl. That's the exact mentality that

2068
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 4: I would want my quarterback to have if he's on

2069
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 4: my favorite team. And the truth is there are a

2070
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 4: lot of quarterbacks that aren't like that. There are a

2071
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 4: lot of quarterbacks that care about a lot more things

2072
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 4: than just winning the Super Bowl. And it doesn't mean

2073
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 4: they're automatically damned to fail. But when you start thinking

2074
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 4: about me, me, me, it's like that can get in

2075
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 4: your way. There was, you know, football way way way

2076
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,680
Speaker 4: back when I was in grade school and the high

2077
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 4: school was right next to it, and they had all

2078
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 4: these teams Team I, and I'm like, what the hell

2079
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 4: is Team I?

2080
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 2: What is that? But what is that?

2081
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 4: And they're like, there's no I in team It's the

2082
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:50,679
Speaker 4: ultimate cliche in football, but it's true. Now Jordan would

2083
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 4: say it, but there is a me. But that's shortan

2084
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 4: and he's won six championships.

2085
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 3: That I get.

2086
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,719
Speaker 4: As long as you find a way to get it done,

2087
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 4: I don't care. But if you didn't get it done,

2088
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 4: and now you're telling me that you're selfish on top

2089
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 4: of it, I have to wonder how much that selfishness

2090
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 4: got in your own way.

2091
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 5: Well, there's okay, selfishness is the correct term, I guess. However,

2092
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 5: I will say this, there is there is something beautifully

2093
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 5: important about the selfishness that comes with achieving greatness. And

2094
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 5: I remember, I look back on this part of my

2095
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 5: life as being a very selfish part of my life.

2096
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many friends and family members

2097
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 5: I missed out on important moments in their lives to

2098
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 5: chase my dreams and my goals. You know, deaths in

2099
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 5: the family, marriages, breakups, divorces, hard times that I couldn't

2100
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 5: be there for people who matter to me more than

2101
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,639
Speaker 5: the sport I played. I promise, I promise you, they

2102
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 5: matter more. But I was deeply selfish at that time

2103
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 5: in my life where I was going to sacrifice all

2104
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 5: of those things for what I considered an opportunity to

2105
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 5: grab at life's golden ring. And so there is an

2106
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 5: inherent selfishness that comes in with chasing greatness and at

2107
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 5: whatever level you're trying to chase it. For me, I

2108
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 5: had aspirations to one day be a Hall of Fame

2109
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 5: offensive lineman and win Super Bowls.

2110
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 2: It didn't happen, but I was chasing it. That was

2111
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:33,640
Speaker 2: my dream, you know.

2112
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 5: And I had a lot of supportive people around me

2113
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 5: who wouldn't tell me that I was being selfish because

2114
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 5: they were supportive of that journey.

2115
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 2: But I was. I was. It's a part of it.

2116
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 5: So Cam in his pursuit of self excellence, was actually

2117
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 5: doing something beneficial for his team, you know what I mean,

2118
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 5: Like I get where everybody's coming from. The quote doesn't

2119
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 5: land well, especially coming from a quarterback who's supposed to

2120
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 5: be the field general and a guy who's worried about

2121
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 5: everybody else and not just himself a leader on the team.

2122
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:14,560
Speaker 5: But the truth is every great athlete who's ever existed

2123
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 5: is selfish to.

2124
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 2: One level or another.

2125
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 5: And I mean, look Kobe Bryant, the way he's remembered

2126
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 5: and lionized, you know, postmortem. I mean, Kobe's favorite topic

2127
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 5: was himself, you know, the Mamba mentality. You know, he

2128
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 5: talked more about his contributions than he ever did about

2129
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:40,799
Speaker 5: his teammates, and it's because he had that intense, burning

2130
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 5: passion to better himself at all at all turns. You know,

2131
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 5: he mentioned Jordan. I mean that that six part documentary

2132
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 5: that we all watched during the pandemic was was just

2133
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 5: him talking about himself. Now, he included commentary on Phil

2134
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 5: Jackson and teammates at times, but but that was a

2135
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 5: love letter to himself, you know. I mean, you have

2136
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,879
Speaker 5: to be viciously selfish to be that great at anything.

2137
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 5: And so I think that's the part of the conversation

2138
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:18,759
Speaker 5: that's missing, because I mean Cam Newton and Tom Brady

2139
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 5: and Patrick Mahomes and everybody out there who's ever been great,

2140
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 5: really great at something has made several sacrifices themselves, but

2141
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 5: also the people who love them the most around them,

2142
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 5: who they love the most around them, have also made

2143
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 5: sacrifices for their greatness. So greatness comes with being selfish,

2144
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 5: and selfishness comes with greatness. There's no there's no separating

2145
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:43,200
Speaker 5: the two of them.

2146
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 2: I do agree with that.

2147
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 6: But here's the difference between MJ and Kobe, right, how

2148
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 6: many candies do they want?

2149
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 4: And that you don't think they would trade a league

2150
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 4: MVP for a title?

2151
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 3: They wouldn't make that deal.

2152
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 2: Of course they all would.

2153
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's again, there's different things that motivate

2154
01:50:59,160 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 5: different people.

2155
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that.

2156
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody's ever asked Michael Jordan if

2157
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 5: you would trade an MVP for that Super Bowl this week?

2158
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what I mean, somebody should.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, somebody should, because I'm curious how he would answer.

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Speaker 5: I'm also curious if we would feel like he was

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Speaker 5: answering the question authentically.

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Speaker 6: I think he would, yes, And that's another and that

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Speaker 6: is why I applaud Cam again. I think the biggest

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Speaker 6: noted you know, the biggest change in sports media over

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Speaker 6: the last decade is the emergence of the athlete becoming

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Speaker 6: the broadcaster. And I'm fine with it, even though it's

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Speaker 6: taking jobs away from us I'm fine with it because

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Speaker 6: I think it adds a level.

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Speaker 2: Of authenticity to not bitter at all.

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Speaker 6: I think it adds a layer of authenticity to what

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01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 6: we do that helps me do my job, that helps

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Speaker 6: me understand the athletes better, which allows me to analyze better.

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Speaker 2: But I just feel like the difference.

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Speaker 6: Between, you know, comparing your level of selfishness with how

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Speaker 6: you compete when the end of the day it is

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01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 6: still a team sport. I'm worry like, in my mind

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Speaker 6: came was in the wrong sport, Like you should have

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Speaker 6: been like one hundred meters track athlete, right, Because I

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Speaker 6: think the point of football is eleven players all staring

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Speaker 6: in the same direction downfield. We're going this way and

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01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 6: the defense is looking the other way. They're trying to

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Speaker 6: stop you.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is what the sport is at

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Speaker 2: its core, and to.

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Speaker 6: Go away from that, it's one thing to do it

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Speaker 6: If you're Michael Jordan, say yeah, this is what motivated

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01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 6: me to be great, and I achieved the greatness while

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Speaker 6: allowing my teammates to also Rising tide lifts all boats.

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Speaker 2: You can't say that about camp.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you could say rising tide lifts

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Speaker 6: all boats because in the biggest spot, he was asked

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Speaker 6: to make a sacrifice for the team and he decided

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Speaker 6: not to. And that's where again this take lands very

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Speaker 6: differently for me. If he jumps on that ball in

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01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 6: the super Bowl and Carolina wins, it's a different The

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Speaker 6: optics of it to me are just completely different.

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Speaker 3: We got to run here just one minute.

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Speaker 4: But let me give you a quick college basketball take, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: super fast, only one minute for all of us, not

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01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 4: just me, but I just this is surreal. Where Rick Patino,

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Speaker 4: former Kentucky coach, he says that John Calipari, who's another

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Speaker 4: former Kentucky coach. Cal should get a warm welcome tonight

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01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:26,679
Speaker 4: from the UK faithful So Arkansas where Cal is now.

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01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 4: They're taking on his former team Kentucky. So he's going

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01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 4: to Lexington, and it's just wild to me. Where Patino's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: you should be nice to this guy. Cali Perry, who

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Speaker 4: I don't know, won a championship, had four final fours,

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Speaker 4: had the most tournament wins in Kentucky history. Like if

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Speaker 4: these guys over there, if they don't give Cal a

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Speaker 4: warm welcome or worse, they boo them, they're the ultimate clowns.

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Speaker 3: I get that you want more, but how can you.

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Speaker 4: Just be like boo Cal. There's gonna be some people

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Speaker 4: that do that. You and his paid a little bit

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Speaker 4: of booing there for Cal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll get boot and and you know what,

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Speaker 5: I kind of love it.

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01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 2: I know how you feel about it.

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Speaker 5: I think this is what keeps the lights on though,

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01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 5: in all these arena arenas, in all these stadiums and

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01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 5: all these ballparks, is the fact that people are so

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01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 5: myopic in their interest in their teams that they can't

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01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 5: see the broader picture, like, oh, this guy was important

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01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:25,479
Speaker 5: to us.

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01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 2: It's like no, no, no, he's the enemy. Now screw him.

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's a beautiful representation of sports.

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01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 2: It's hysterical to me.

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Speaker 6: You mean, like games being rigged for Keler Swift like

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01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 6: that myopic in that way?

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01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh trust me. Yeah, that door swings the

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Speaker 2: other way too. Yeah, but think about that.

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Speaker 4: You see this in sports all the time, where there's

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Speaker 4: a football player he was at he was on a

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Speaker 4: team for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Now he's on the other team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Like baseball, this happens a lot of great

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01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,960
Speaker 4: He goes back to his stopping grounds he gets a

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Speaker 4: warm reception.

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Speaker 2: It's great. It's the classy thing to do.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you'll plod them before the game and then

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Speaker 4: you root against them during the game.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, Well, what about the Giants with the Saquon

2242
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 6: situation that was really bad?

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01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 2: You have Tiki Barber out there saying they're going to

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01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 2: disown them. What do you mean disown them? You realize

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01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 2: that the Giants decided not to pay him. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 2: it's just like so weird.

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Speaker 3: We've got some picks to make. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Rapid fire.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jared, we start with you.

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Speaker 2: What do you like well?

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Speaker 6: Theme of the day is receptions in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: We're going Jahan Dotson over a half reception. He hasn't

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01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 6: had a target since the Packers game in the walkcard round.

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01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 6: But the game scripts, of course for Philly, very positive there,

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01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 6: so they weren't throwing it as much and I can't

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01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 6: see them running a little bit of a gadget play,

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Speaker 6: of course.

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Speaker 2: And he's a Penn Steak guy. I gotta bet it

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Speaker 2: over on a bets take on the.

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl, and there's they have to Juju Smith Schuster.

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Speaker 6: We're going over one and a half receptions here. This

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01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 6: is kind of the big game receiver on this Chiefs team.

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Speaker 6: He's played in the Super Bowl before two years ago.

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01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 6: Seven catches on nine targets. Only needs two in this game.

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01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 6: He had two last week against Buffalo. Just do it again, pal,

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Speaker 6: and we're gonna go. Noah Great under one and a

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01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,320
Speaker 6: half receptions, no targets in the AC Title game against

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Speaker 6: the Bills.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles third fewest tight ends allowed versus tight ends

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Speaker 2: or third fewest receptions a lot, excuse me, verst tight

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Speaker 2: ends this year. So under one and a half on

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01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 2: Noah gread. Okay, I'm gonna start.

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Speaker 5: In college basketball, we got Washington Minnesota, little big ten

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01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:39,880
Speaker 5: tilt there. The Golden Gophers. They're on a three game heater.

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01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 5: They've beaten Michigan, Iowa, Oregon. I like the way their

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01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 5: rosters constructed. They're favored by three and a half. I

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01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,839
Speaker 5: think I would take them all the way up until five,

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Speaker 5: so I'm good with it. I'll spend on the points.

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Speaker 5: I like the Golden Gophers against the Washington program that's

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Speaker 5: kind of in free fall right now.

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Speaker 2: By the way. Going to the Super Bowl, Ken hell myself.

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Speaker 5: I know we're still a week out, but I like

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Speaker 5: the Travis Kelce under six and a half receptions. If

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Speaker 5: I'm the Philadelphia Eagles, I'm gonna try to take away

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Speaker 5: a security.

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Speaker 2: Blanket from Mahomes.

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Speaker 5: And speaking of Mahomes, if you're taking away to security blanket,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna be running more. Give me the over on

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Speaker 5: the thirty and a half rushing yards for Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 5: in the big team.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, over thirty and a half rush yards.

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Speaker 4: I just think, okay, I'm gonna I'll start with the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. Just give me over forty nine. I think

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Speaker 4: we're scoring points in this game. A lot of firepower

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Speaker 4: for the Eagles. That rush defense for the Chiefs has

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Speaker 4: been leaky in the playoffs. I don't know that they

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Speaker 4: are all of a sudden gonna be all world against Saquon.

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Speaker 4: And this is just what Mahomes does. He rises to

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Speaker 4: the occasion. I just I don't see the Chiefs scoring

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Speaker 4: under twenty points. If the losing team scores in the

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Speaker 4: neighborhood of twenty three twenty four points, we're basically home free, right,

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Speaker 4: I'll take the over in the game.

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Speaker 3: I think we're score or in points.

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Speaker 4: I like a couple of college basketball games today, Believe

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Speaker 4: it or not, but this total keeps going up in

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Speaker 4: the Florida Tennessee game, which leads to me to believe

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Speaker 4: even though Tennessee's defense is fantastic, it tells me Florida

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Speaker 4: scoring points Florida's offense.

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Speaker 3: Is really good.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take over seventy and a half for Florida's

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Speaker 4: team total in this game. And I'm also gonna take

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Speaker 4: Michigan minus five and a half. They're at Rutgers when

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01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:31,120
Speaker 4: you have a banged up center, and that's what Michigan

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01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 4: thrives in the Twin Towers over there. That's that's not

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Speaker 4: a great matchup for Rutgers. So I got my eye

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Speaker 4: on the Wolf rings.

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 4: More college basketball picks than NFL picks?

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Speaker 2: Who am I anymore? We're gonna get into it. It's

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Speaker 2: March madness, that's why.

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Speaker 4: But we got to a whole another week of NFL

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Speaker 4: picks before the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, have a good day.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch it soon.