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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now what's up everyone, and welcome to Stradio

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Speaker 1: Lab the most let's say it, groundbreaking podcast there ever

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Speaker 1: has been. George, we saw each other to day, correct,

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Speaker 1: and I would say we were both at the lowest

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we just recorded we just recorded an

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually had a big moment. I had sort

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Speaker 1: because I think what happened with me, I think it

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so excited. I think not enough podcasters

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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, thank you, And without further ado, I think

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Speaker 2: Love it because I want to say something. I want

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Speaker 2: I had a realization. Okay, So I have talked to

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Speaker 4: You've introduced something so explosive, so so unknown to us,

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Speaker 2: No one is ever going to come back to me

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Speaker 2: Remember when you said Harry and Meghan broke up? What

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: How do you have this?

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Speaker 2: They are in entertainment, they are in entertainment.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. They're they're waiting for a deal to go through.

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Speaker 2: And I'm so happy to be contributing to misinformation Global.

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Speaker 4: when do we know? When can we say you were right?

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Speaker 4: When can we when? When can say when? When can

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Speaker 2: Is that it's tough? I know, I know. Okay, you're you're, you're.

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Speaker 4: If you want to lead a cult. You got to

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Speaker 4: it can't possibly be a negotiation. It's a fact.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me. I'm a professional. You know, I know what

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Speaker 2: You know it's a two way street. Of course, it's me,

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Speaker 4: And basically for that you're saying you're trying to get

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Speaker 2: I my starting offer is one year.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to negotiate.

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Speaker 1: which I think is really nice. Uh, John, you reject it.

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Speaker 4: Of course I reject it. Of course I reject it.

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Speaker 4: actually weak. And I can't prove it to you, and

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Speaker 1: I opposing the dendum to this this contract. I think

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Speaker 2: When the strikes end. Yeah, exactly how do you feel

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Speaker 4: Oh? When we're living on the moon, So you're saying

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Speaker 2: I think OURFK Junior will be president, we will be

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Speaker 2: living on the moon, and they're gonna get divorced. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, okay, you know what, then then maybe we

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Speaker 2: If you want to get really conspiratorial, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Wow, after their deal goes is Yeah, is Megan still

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think you I think unlike the WJA,

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Speaker 2: you just stay in there always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You just pay your dues and you stay your dues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you pay, and I'm sure she's paying her

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Speaker 2: she can afford it. Well. Actually, we'll see when this

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Speaker 1: But for now, I'm still a little bit confused as

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Speaker 4: It's sure, I'm going to just just put in my

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Speaker 4: listen you know, I believe you. I trust you.

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Speaker 2: I am just going to say, you're checking your phone

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Speaker 2: to see if there are any news alerts.

437
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Speaker 4: I'm going to a month called December, or wait, what's

438
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Speaker 4: six months from now? Is that November? August, September, October, November, December, January.

439
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Speaker 4: I'm going to the month of January, and I'm going

440
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Speaker 4: to perfect New Year January eighteenth. She's just gonnadd a

441
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Speaker 4: little calendar alert and we're just like I actually would

442
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 4: like and that'll just remind all of us that this happened,

443
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Speaker 4: because if we're if we don't need the reminder, God

444
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Speaker 4: help us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And you know, I think that's actually

446
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Speaker 2: perfect because January, you know what I'm seeing. I'm seeing

447
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: Megan is going to have some sort of post that

448
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: the spirit of which will be new Year, New Me.

449
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: I think she is going to write the words new

450
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Speaker 2: year and new me after announcing her divorce, and it's

451
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Speaker 2: gonna be January. I would say week two of January,

452
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Speaker 2: because she wants people to be like back in the

453
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Speaker 2: office and sort of paying attention to use. She's not

454
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Speaker 2: a fan of hybrid, she exactly, and she wants She's

455
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Speaker 2: gonna say New Year and New Me. And she's gonna

456
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Speaker 2: announce her own project as well, Okay, and they're not

457
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Speaker 2: going to do well.

458
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Speaker 4: Wow, I mean it's just predictions on predictions.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think she's gonna get cast in something.

460
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Speaker 1: I think her personal projects might flop, but I do

461
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Speaker 1: think she'll get cast in something sort of a casting

462
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Speaker 1: and it'll be almost like it'll be like a bad

463
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Speaker 1: like one of those like brained sort of Netflix original

464
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: series that you're like, who watches this? But then actually

465
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Speaker 1: it's the most popular show in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I Whereas I think she's gonna do voiceover work

467
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Speaker 2: in the children's animated series.

468
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Speaker 1: John Any predictions.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think Oppeneimer comes out this weekend. People are

470
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Speaker 4: gonna be like, is she in that? She in spirit

471
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Speaker 4: but not physically.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she did the sound effects for the bomb.

473
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Speaker 2: She's got into the studio.

474
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Speaker 4: And so that's her in there. But so that's going

475
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Speaker 4: to create a lot of appetite for other kinds of

476
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Speaker 4: biopics like that. And you know, I think that like

477
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Speaker 4: she'll be all over. She's gonna play Marie Curry, Marie Currey,

478
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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you. Here's the thing, Okay, here's the

479
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Speaker 4: thing was Neil's, Well, they're gonna do a gender flip

480
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 4: Neils boor finally like salt like, the timeline is Megan.

481
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Speaker 4: First of all New Year, Happy New Year. Megan and

482
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 4: Harry announced divorce. Meghan announces her new projects, which are

483
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Speaker 4: a children's series and the Niels Board gender flipped drama.

484
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Speaker 4: It's gonna be directed by a woman, but it's not

485
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Speaker 4: gonna be one of the good ones.

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Speaker 2: And then and then I think, you know what, I

487
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Speaker 2: think you know? Her podcast called you Great?

488
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Speaker 4: Can he tell us what you think?

489
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Speaker 1: That would be helpful?

490
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Speaker 2: I would love to and think you for asking. Her podcast,

491
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Speaker 2: that of course has failed, was called Archetypes, and each

492
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: episode was about a different archetype. Okay, and so the

493
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Speaker 2: archetypes were like, you know, career woman or bitch or whatever.

494
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Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't have them in front

495
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Speaker 2: of me. I think she's gonna come back with a

496
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Speaker 2: what with a one time episode, and the archetype is

497
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Speaker 2: going to be divorce a and she's gonna debunk myths

498
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Speaker 2: about the archetype of the divorcee. And she's going to say,

499
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Speaker 2: you know, because at every stage in her life, basically

500
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Speaker 2: she has been attacked for being a different archetype. That's

501
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Speaker 2: the narrative of Megan Markle. Now she's going to be

502
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Speaker 2: a divorcee. And let me tell you something, talk about victimhood.

503
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Speaker 4: Wow, you are already mad about a hypothetical project about

504
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Speaker 4: a hypothetical divorce that's, for all we know, is completely

505
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Speaker 4: manufactured hi supporder.

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Speaker 2: And you'll notice I'm not saying anything about Harry because

507
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Speaker 2: I don't care about him. I want Meghan to do

508
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Speaker 2: well when she plays Neil's bore.

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Speaker 4: Great.

510
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Speaker 2: Wow, Anyway, I think I've done enough talking. But you

511
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Speaker 2: guys feel free to contribute to to this news story

512
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Speaker 2: that I'm breaking.

513
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Speaker 4: Is that how the news works? Is it? Like, Yeah,

514
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Speaker 4: it's just we're yesterday in the story.

515
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Speaker 2: That's how we did it at Goker and and and

516
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: we all know how perfectly multi millionaire and that went.

517
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Speaker 4: Perfectly famously, that went perfectly.

518
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Speaker 1: Feel free two times to add your own spin on

519
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Speaker 1: this big story. Wow, well thank you for that, George.

520
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Speaker 1: I of course I feel I think our listeners are

521
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: going to be thrilled with this big scoop and everyone's

522
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: going to save the date. Maybe we should have a

523
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: live show on January. January eighteenth where we can celebrate

524
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Speaker 1: the fact that you were right and that they did

525
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Speaker 1: in fact get a divorce.

526
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Speaker 4: What if we all wear the same thing and then

527
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Speaker 4: we kind of like all look up at the sky

528
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: at the same time, and then all eat one thing,

529
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Speaker 4: one special thing.

530
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Speaker 2: Together, maybe a crumpet to celebrate British.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like celebrate British.

532
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Speaker 2: I think.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 2: A live show where we do a reveal of are

535
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Speaker 2: they or are they not? Divorced? Where we basically get

536
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: on stage, check our phone and see if the New

537
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Speaker 2: York Times has anything to say, could be big. Well.

538
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Speaker 1: I really do hope you're right. I think that would

539
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Speaker 1: be the shake up both countries need right now.

540
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Speaker 2: If I'm right though, and it's like gay podcast Aster

541
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: predicted this, you know what, that would be insanely good

542
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: for my.

543
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 4: You know what, I realized we've made a huge mistake.

544
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: And let me tell you why. Let me tell you

545
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 4: the mistake we made.

546
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Why?

547
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: Uh?

548
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 4: Oh? If you are right, we have had this conversation

549
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 4: in such a way that we don't seem cool at all.

550
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't.

551
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Speaker 2: I would like to go back and listen to this

552
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: and be like, Wow, they really had it, you know No,

553
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna go back and listen and say, oh, there

554
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: was a brave truth teller that really went out on

555
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: a limb to two LGBTQ plus friends. And what did

556
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: they do? They said, your truth is not valid?

557
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: Oh friendly?

558
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yes, famously. We've met three times.

559
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think we were dismissing your news.

560
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I think we were trying to engage with it as

561
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Speaker 1: as best we could. We were just doing our due diligence.

562
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: And we've both fallen for so much misinformation over the

563
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Speaker 1: past few years that we've learned our lesson quite Franks, Well.

564
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Speaker 4: That's exactly thank you for and you know what's so

565
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: well said.

566
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: And in that spirit, the spirit of intellectual excavation, should

567
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: we go into our first segment?

568
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

569
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I think we actually should go into our first segment, John.

570
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment,

571
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: we will ask you a series of rapid fire questions

572
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: to gauge your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture.

573
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: It's basically this thing or this other thing, and you

574
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: have to pick one. The only rule is you can't

575
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Speaker 1: ask a single follow up question or we will scream

576
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Speaker 1: at you with a level of anger that is, it's

577
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer levels. Megan Markle is going to be doing the

578
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Speaker 1: sound effects of our screaming.

579
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Speaker 2: The British, British tabloid levels of cook just complete incoherent Yeah, yeah, George,

580
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: do you want so you're gonna want to ask a

581
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: question because it's not gonna make sense and you're gonna

582
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: after this.

583
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: And I and I don't want to break the rules.

584
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: I really don't.

585
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Speaker 4: And so before we get then you're presenting me with

586
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Speaker 4: two things, and I'm picking one. And is it because

587
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Speaker 4: it's the one I think is more straight, or is

588
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: it's because it's the one I My.

589
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: God, you think we haven't already begun, when in fact

590
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: we said we are starting. And of course the explaining

591
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: of the rules is part of the segment. You know,

592
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Speaker 2: if you're writing College Ason, that would be the introduction, right.

593
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: Yea, Ron the clock first.

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Speaker 2: You better believe we're in the first body paragraph and

595
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: you're already at a dissipanta Okay, Sam, do you want

596
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: to start?

597
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Speaker 4: Sure?

598
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Okay? John Jessica Simpson or Lisa Simpson.

599
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: Lisa Simpson John being obsessed with true crime or being

600
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: possessed by fine wine.

601
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: Possessed by true crime.

602
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Hmm okay, canceling your plans or fa und your man's.

603
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 4: Oh, canceling plant. You gotta cancel plans.

604
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: Buying a baguette in France, or being in bad debt

605
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Speaker 2: for a degree in dance.

606
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: Hey, uh, the France get bread carbs in France. I

607
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Speaker 4: choose carbs in front.

608
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Speaker 1: Okay, the acts, the SATs or the R E S

609
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Speaker 1: P E c ts ooh SATs.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right.

611
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Speaker 2: Being a high school bully, or being a driven career

612
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Speaker 2: woman named Julie Julie.

613
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Speaker 3: Hmmm, okay, Blue Man group or Boy Scout Troop Boy

614
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Speaker 3: Scout troupe, shopping at the Gap factory clearance sale, or

615
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Speaker 3: looking for a satisfactory b Ryle mail.

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Speaker 4: Wow, oh look looking for a male. We're looking for

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Speaker 4: a mail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you better be v Ryley.

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Speaker 4: Here's the tag out that the word gap has a

621
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Speaker 4: line through it because it's they don't want people to

622
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Speaker 4: think it's true gap.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think that was incredible, and I

625
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: think that was a really good perform I'm actually really

626
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Speaker 1: impressed because I think what I loved so much about

627
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Speaker 1: that performance was that you you know, you gave the

628
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Speaker 1: audience what they wanted. You know, you you did break

629
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Speaker 1: the rules just enough to to to let them see us,

630
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, lose it, you know, go crazy.

631
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you came in with a with a

632
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: need for speed, and I think the way you sometimes

633
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: would rephrase the questions, like saying carbs and France really

634
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: painted a picture. A lot of people don't do that.

635
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't have the courage to make

636
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Speaker 2: it their own, and I think you did. Yeah, And

637
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: we rate every guest on a scale of zero to

638
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Speaker 2: one thousand doves, and I would say that was a

639
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: solid eight hundred and ninety.

640
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Wow. You know that's actually a little less than I

641
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: was going to give. But I think, oh, really, what

642
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: were you. I was gonna say, now you can give

643
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Speaker 1: it fifty, but I mean maybe it's.

644
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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, that's perfect. And so then the average

645
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: it comes out to essentially an. So congratulations, congratulations.

646
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Speaker 4: That's amazing, Thank you, thank you. It means the world. Yeah,

647
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: thank you. How did how did it feel? You know,

648
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: from your perspective, I felt I felt unmoored. I felt

649
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: as though I didn't know if my job was to

650
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: get to the next one as fast as possible or

651
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: create moments mm hmmm. And I still don't know.

652
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

653
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: Well, I also had no idea how many questions there

654
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Speaker 4: would be. Sure, unless there were many more, I hesitated

655
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Speaker 4: to indulge in any repartee.

656
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And I think everything you're saying is

657
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Speaker 2: and it sounds like I'm joking by design, and.

658
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: By the way, that's I also did feel that, you know,

659
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: while I felt unsafe, and I did feel unsafe, yeah,

660
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: it didn't feel as though I was out of control,

661
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: if that makes sense.

662
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, yes, sure, I think I think that's that absolutely.

663
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: And you didn't seem out of control. I think you

664
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: seemed like you were rolling with the punches.

665
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: I didn't know when the ride was going to end,

666
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: but I knew that I wasn't going to fall out,

667
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Yes, and dips and turns

668
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: there would be. I didn't know how scary would be.

669
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know if it was going to be in

670
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: the dark or the light, you know, or if there

671
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: were loop d loops. But I trusted the hearts. Yeah,

672
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: and A teen checked it about fifteen A teen.

673
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: Checked it, yeah, teenyah shook it up. The team that

674
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: we hired specifically to sabotage the ride, but he did

675
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: not do a very good job. Yes, I think. I

676
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: think what's beautiful about our one segment is that it

677
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: is a sort of deconstructed podcast segment in the sense

678
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: that it gives a guest an opportunity to just show

679
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: us what they got, and.

680
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 4: You know, it dares to ask the question, what are

681
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: we doing here?

682
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it dares to not provide an answer.

683
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and I think it's really helpful as

684
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: we go into our discussion to sort of, you know,

685
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: get you. It's almost like a it's like an improv

686
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: warm up. You know, it breaks you down. It makes

687
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: you see language differently, so we can truly have our

688
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: conversation about whatever topic we will decide to talk about.

689
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: Right, we deconstruct language so that we can then reconstruct

690
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: it via talking about straight topics, which and speaking of which, John,

691
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: your straight topic today? You know, we sort of came

692
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: up with one collaboratively. We gave you a few options,

693
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: but you chose the one that we wanted to do

694
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: in the first place. And your topic is the news. Now,

695
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: I guess before we begin, I would like to know

696
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: sort of if you. You know you're on you know

697
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: we're putting a spotlight on you. Your topic is then news.

698
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Tell us how why you think the news is straight?

699
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: Or when can it be straight? And what is straight

700
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: about it?

701
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: Such an important question. Yes, one very important way which

702
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: the news is straight is that it's very cares a

703
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 4: lot about time, cares a lot about when things begin

704
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 4: and when things end. It is also something that has

705
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: a uniform, a very specific uniform that people are in

706
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 4: when they deliver it. When you see them delivering the news,

707
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: they better look and sound a certain way, and they're

708
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 4: even their cadence on television and on the radio. If

709
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: someone is telling you the news, they will have a

710
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 4: very specific, very well defined, very narrow band in which

711
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 4: to convey that information. The news is also not about

712
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: flights of fancy. It's not about exploring yourself. It's not

713
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: about emotion, it's not about feeling, it's about it's about

714
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 4: it's about facts. You know, you know this as a journalist,

715
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 4: and we've seen that even today that your obsession.

716
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: Think I've embodied it. I've embodied it during the entirety of.

717
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 4: This And I would say the beginning of this episode

718
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: is the straightest I've ever seen you, and I haven't

719
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 4: seen you much, Yes.

720
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: But three times, three times, as we've discussed.

721
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: And this, and I keep getting you keep getting straighter,

722
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: you keep getting more masculine. That news was, in a

723
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 4: sense mask for mask I think, yes, absolutely, absolutely, on

724
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 4: the spectrum of straightness.

725
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

726
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: And the news also is a lot about a guy

727
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: telling you how it is.

728
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: I think the sense of authority is one of the

729
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: straighter parts of it.

730
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 4: I completely.

731
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: It's such a little a little dance of trying to

732
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: be both an everyman but like an everyman that's just

733
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: a little bit above all the other everyman.

734
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's trying to be dad.

735
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: It's trying to be Dad.

736
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I will say, though. There is one way in

737
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 4: which the news can be quite a and it's when

738
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: a reporter says, I have will secret, only I will secret,

739
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: I will secret, and only I know, and I am

740
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: gonna tell you about it. Listen to this. And I

741
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 4: didn't just make this totally, and I didn't just people

742
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: told me this, and I checked with a couple of

743
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 4: different people. So when I tell you this, oh interesting, listen,

744
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: I know something and it is fucking crazy, but listen,

745
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: Oh this that is the gayest part of the news.

746
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: But that's investigative journalism, right, you guys. Live journalism is

747
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 4: queer culture and we've always said that, but the news

748
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: is a straight space in which that queerness is allowed occasionally,

749
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: depending on the year, depending on the business allowed to thrive.

750
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

751
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

752
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, I'm reminded of not to keep bringing up Cocker,

753
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: the first Gker, original Coker. Of course. You know, today's

754
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: gossip is tomorrow's news, or like yesterday's gossip is today's news,

755
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: or one of the two. And to me, that is

756
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: the sort of tension you're talking about where it's like

757
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: when it's gossip, that's the reporting process is gossip and

758
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: that's gay, and then when it becomes the news, that's when.

759
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: I think the challenge there is that I think some

760
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 4: of yesterday's gossip is tomorrow's news, but some of it's

761
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: also tomorrow's gossip.

762
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: That is true, which was also part of that part

763
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: of certainly part of what downfall.

764
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: I'll be the first admit, you know, I will say

765
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: when I found out that anchormen get makeup done to

766
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: them before going on air, that to me was akin

767
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: to seeing two men hold hands for the first time,

768
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, masculinity is a facade. This

769
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: guy's wearing makeup to look more like a man, like

770
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: a serious man.

771
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: It's gender affirming.

772
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: It being a newscaster, being an anchorman is one of

773
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: the most gender affirming things assist gender man can know. Yeah,

774
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: that's right, Okay, interesting. I mean you raised so many

775
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: good points. I mean I'm already you know, the uniform,

776
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, feels very militaristic, feels very like you know,

777
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: a mailman. Well maybe not a mailman because that's kind

778
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: of gay, but you know, militaristic, you know whatever, Then yes, exactly.

779
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: And then you know, one person talking to many that's fascism.

780
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the news is fascist.

781
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 4: Then we have that one person talking to a group

782
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 4: of people. Is that's it, That's what it is. That's

783
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 4: what fascism is. I mean, you.

784
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: Ask any stand up comedian, ask anyone who has ever

785
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: officiated with teachers.

786
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: Teachers are features.

787
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: Oh, don't get me started. Right wing one might say.

788
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

789
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: And then as Sam is saying, you know, it gets

790
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: sort of queer when you talk about the costuming element

791
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: and the cabaret element, of course, I mean when you

792
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: look at you know, Election Night on CNN or something,

793
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: and there's various people touching various oversized iPads. I'm talking

794
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: in a sort of like theatrical voice. You're like, well,

795
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: this this is essentially, for all intents and purposes, a

796
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: production of and Juliette.

797
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I would say, right there is. I think one

798
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 4: of the things. I think what you're hitting on, and

799
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: I'm really glad you did, is in some sense, what

800
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: we're describing is a straight like the news is straight,

801
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 4: but often the delivery of the news is a form

802
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: of drag when you think about it, exactly, when you

803
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: think exactly, also, weather is gay its existence. It's being

804
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: described pointing at clouds. There's nothing gayer than pointing at

805
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: a cloud. Can't do that in a straight I think.

806
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: You're pointing at a cloud. There's also a way in which,

807
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: like the one area of the news where it's sort

808
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: of okay to spread misinformation is the weather. Like if

809
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: they just guessed it wrong and then the next day

810
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: it's not writing, no one's going to like storm. The

811
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: CNN offices.

812
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: Now, Nate Silver and the weather people, they just hide

813
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: behind their probabilities, and on all of them, and on

814
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: all of that.

815
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: Honest.

816
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: Actually, I do think we need to talk about sort

817
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: of gay icons in the news industry.

818
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: You know, Christina Applegate an anchor.

819
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: Man, Well, okay, and I'm forgetting the guy's that monkey?

820
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, who's the guy who had like?

821
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: Who?

822
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: Who had like khakis? And like did all the numbers?

823
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: There wasn't eight silver, But like in the election, Steve

824
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: Steve Karnak and the way that gay people clung to that,

825
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: and it kind of bothered me where I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

826
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: this this isn't the show you think it is like

827
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: your You can't stand a man in khakis and little glasses.

828
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: And I don't even think he wants to be stanned.

829
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: I I maybe I'm wrong.

830
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: I think he wants it a little bit.

831
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 4: Hmm.

832
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: If Steve Karnaki is your diva, I think you have

833
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: some internalized hatred.

834
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 4: I would say more. I think, Okay, that's that's.

835
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: The guy.

836
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: The guy just walks people through the numbers. And if

837
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 4: you think he's doing a good job, you fucking hate yourself. No,

838
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: if you think he's a diva, no no, no, who

839
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 4: thinks Steve Karanaki?

840
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: Who is this?

841
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: I think? Who is this? Who is this person that

842
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: thinks Steve Kornaki is a diva?

843
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: You know who I think it is. It's stray people.

844
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like, how my I feel like, Okay,

845
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: I feel like gay people in the news are a

846
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: lot of stray people's entry away into gay people at large.

847
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: I would say it certainly for me, Nate Silver was

848
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: a huge part of my dad's sort of coming terms

849
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: with my own homosexuality. He was like, well, Nate Silver

850
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: wrote a book and he's gay.

851
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: That is first of all, that's it's.

852
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Inspiring.

853
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: It's shocking to hear. It's shocking to hear.

854
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

855
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 4: Nate Silver taught me it was okay to be weird.

856
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: I think it's really cool.

857
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would I think my exact words where

858
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: he taught my dad.

859
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: No, I know, I was speaking in the voice of

860
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: your dad. I was speaking in the voice I was sorry.

861
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I was in a scene and I was

862
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 4: your father.

863
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: Yes.

864
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 4: Yes, If that wasn't clear, you're doing theater a news

865
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: call saying he taught.

866
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: Me to be weird and being weird in this situation,

867
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: is it's weird that scene is gay exactly.

868
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

869
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: So, but I do think Steve Karnak is it Karnaky?

870
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: I do think Steve Karnaki, Nate silver dare I say,

871
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: and Anderson Cooper figure, you know these people are I

872
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: think there's a there's an archetype of the gay man

873
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: telling the news that is sort of extra and by

874
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: the way, not only gay men. Rachel Maddow, let's not

875
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: go far. You know, there's an archetype of a gay

876
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: person telling the news that almost to progressive straight people

877
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: makes them more trust I.

878
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 4: Do think to make like a to make like an

879
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: earnest point about it, I don't even think it's gay

880
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: versus straight. It is more it is just everyone adhering

881
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 4: to maskul like a certain archetype of masculinity as being

882
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 4: the only correct way to convey the information. And therefore,

883
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 4: if someone is gonna be taken seriously, they have to

884
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 4: they have to convey it in a certain way. Rachel

885
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 4: does that, Chris Hayes does that, all the Fox newspeople,

886
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: even you know those guys do that. Karnaki does that.

887
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, it's like if you turned on

888
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: Anderson Cooper and he was like, hey, everybody, oh my god,

889
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: you wouldn't believe what's happening in you totally, Like there's

890
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 4: an expectation that that you have to say the news

891
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 4: the way a straight man would have said it in

892
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 4: the seventies.

893
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it's interesting to you know, I think, sorry,

894
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: go ahead, Sam.

895
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: Well, I changed my point. I have a different point now,

896
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction. You know what it is.

897
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: I hate the graphics packages around the news where it's

898
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: like everything like what we're saying is correct, where it's

899
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: like it is drag. It is like we're all performing,

900
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: but we're performing masculinity, but not even like in an

901
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: lol way. There's no height it's like but it is

902
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: so heightened, but we're not allowed to like laugh at it,

903
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: Like we're not allowed to like it's not allowed to

904
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: be like funny. It's like heightened and insane, but you

905
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: have to be like, no, it's insane because it's so true.

906
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, at what point do we we need

907
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: to like like library ify the news, Well make it for.

908
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.

909
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: Yes, it's TV has been around a while and the

910
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: spaces have evolved from what they like. It's like originally

911
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: it was like this is somebody at a desk, right,

912
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 4: why are they at a desk. It's because it's meant

913
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: to convey business, a newspaper the office. It's like almost

914
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: like in the same way that like iPhone icons look

915
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: like things from the real real world, the news was

916
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 4: meant to look like things from the real world. But

917
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: over time, as they've like struggled to get people to

918
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: keep paying attention, they're like, make it all bright red

919
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: and blake, bright blue and glass and metal, and have

920
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: the fucking graphics come at you out of the screen

921
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 4: and also be in giant bold letters and have the

922
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: camera swirl around it. Have have wolf Blitzer at a

923
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: giant slab of glass and it's you look at this

924
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: space that they're in, and it's like, are you on

925
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 4: are you on some sort of alien craft? Like what

926
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: is what is this room that you're in? Like, why

927
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 4: are five people sitting at a glass oval, sitting on

928
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: stools with a bright with giant screens behind them? What

929
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: is this space?

930
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

931
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't we there. There was a need to

932
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: redefine what authority looks like because the old kind of

933
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: the old kind of visuals were outdated. But we didn't

934
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: land on a good alternative, like what what does authority

935
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: look like in twenty twenty three? Visually, if you if

936
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: you turn on the newser if you if you read

937
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: a newspaper magazine, or frankly, if you look at a website.

938
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: All websites look terrible now. So there's sort of there's

939
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: a lack of ideas when it comes to we need

940
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: a graphic designer to fix the news, well, it's like yeah, I.

941
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: Mean there's also like you see like a response to it.

942
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 4: And then it's like you go into a store and

943
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: they've made a sign and it's been printed, but it

944
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: was made to be printed as if the paint was

945
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 4: running out, so it looks smudgy because it's conveying an authenticity.

946
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: And then there's like for the millionth place with an

947
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 4: Edison bulb and some exposed wood to like create authenticity,

948
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 4: which of course you can't do because if you're trying

949
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: to be authentic, you're not being authentic. So they all

950
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 4: are everyone is like everyone is like grabbing at the

951
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 4: same problem, which is that like no one really trusts

952
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 4: any of these institutions. Nobody really feels like they know

953
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 4: what's real, and it's like like the news channels are

954
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: trying to just keep keep your attention like you're a kitten,

955
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: and so everything is balls of yarn and moving and

956
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: then the like in the real world, everything's trying to

957
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: everyone's trying to impersonate a farmhouse. It's all pretty fucked.

958
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, that's a very good Yes, absolutely, I

959
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: mean and and again the authenticity, it's like on TV

960
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: it was, you know, a guy standing behind a desk.

961
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: And then in newspapers there's something so just inherently trustworthy

962
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: about like a newspaper that has the New York Times

963
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: spot and it just says, like the whatever Times, the

964
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: whatever journal. What has replaced that? Sanserah, Like what is it?

965
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: What is it on a website that has replaced that

966
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: that looks trustworthy? There's nothing, No, it's just the same.

967
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: The only things that are really trusted are the same

968
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 4: brands that existed before. Those seem to have you like,

969
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: those kind of retain they retain some trust.

970
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they were trusted by certain people, but in

971
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: fact infamously not trusted by wide Yeah. So okay, So

972
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: here's the question then, like in this new media cacophony,

973
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: is that is the is our current climate in its

974
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: chaos and sort of cabaret esque cacophony. Is that more

975
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: straight or more gay than the old time like c

976
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: span unsexy type of authority.

977
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's gayer than it's ever been. That

978
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: I think is gayor it just.

979
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Is gay or yes parentheses derogatory is sort of.

980
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, like gay like you would say it in a

981
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: high school gym, you know, exactly. Yeah, No, I actually

982
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: do think like it's a shame that both had to

983
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: happen at the exact same time. Would have been nice

984
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: to see them maybe not like maybe have get to

985
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: try each one, but a lot more people got to

986
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 4: make a lot more stuff basically everywhere at every level.

987
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: That's true. I mean, it's part of why the people are,

988
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: why people are striking. It's true in journalism, it's true

989
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: because of the existence of social media, just we got

990
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 4: to hear from a huge number of people in ways

991
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: that they were never heard before. That is largely good.

992
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 4: At the same time, the sheer number and ways of

993
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: getting information and the kind of structure of advertising, plus

994
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 4: just the fact that the Internet is by its nature international,

995
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 4: you know, a single place that's connected everywhere. We have

996
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: like devalued physical places. We've devalued our towns. We've devalued

997
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: interactions with people in our community. We've devalued the esteem

998
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: and prestige a person could get in a community. Right,

999
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: Like we have devalued what it meant to be the

1000
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: leader of the PTA, to be the head of the

1001
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 4: Elks Club or whatever godforsaken male clubs existed in the past,

1002
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 4: To be the leader of your church, to be the

1003
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: mayor of your town, to run for local office, to

1004
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 4: lead a local project. Like, we've kind of devalued those things,

1005
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: made them less prestigious, made serving in government at the

1006
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 4: local level less prestigious, and nothing good replaced it. So

1007
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 4: it's like we did these two things at the same time.

1008
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 4: The good part is that so many more people get

1009
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: to get to speak and be heard, and that's had

1010
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: huge and positive ramifications. But we also obliterated the institutions

1011
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 4: that maybe they could have helped build, and that bumps

1012
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 4: me up to make a serious point, and I'm sorry.

1013
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: So you're saying that no one wants to run for

1014
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: local office anymore, But the trade off is there get

1015
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: to be way more gate podcasters.

1016
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, like I'll and you know what, I'll

1017
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: take it.

1018
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: And to be clear, the solution you're proposing is bring

1019
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: back gatekeepers. That I hear that correctly.

1020
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're study words that. I'm glad you said. You know,

1021
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: it's funny because I blathered on, but that's what I mean, like,

1022
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: bring back Yeah, you know what this is. That's me locking.

1023
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: You can't hear it because it's a podcast. But I

1024
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 4: just turned the key and you know.

1025
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: What, and you said, and you said, you know who

1026
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: has those keys? Men? Only I think that's what you said.

1027
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: I did you men.

1028
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: I also think yeah, you're also pointing to something very gay,

1029
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: which is disrupting something big time with no long term plan.

1030
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1031
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll figure it out.

1032
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, it's like, well, we already ordered costumes.

1033
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 4: I'm in the uber. We don't know where we're going,

1034
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: right exactly. I'm heading to the middle of the place.

1035
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: I'm heading to the center of the region we had

1036
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: discussed r Yeah.

1037
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: It's we're in lack of trust and institutions gay or straight?

1038
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: Would you say, I actually, it's interesting. Something about it

1039
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: feels straighter to me.

1040
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree with that. That was my instinct.

1041
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because if it's you know, because

1042
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: gay people love institutions because they're like, go off, Diva

1043
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: and they're talking about the Supreme Court. Yeah.

1044
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: Gave people are like, I would love to partner with

1045
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: that brand, like that institution, whereas street people.

1046
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 4: Are like, I don't know, and yeah no, I yeah,

1047
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: and you know what, I'm glad you said it.

1048
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gave people are like, I love it to partner

1049
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: with that brand and do a big activation this in

1050
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: the next six months.

1051
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: Look, activations, activations is that's what Pride is about. Pride

1052
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: is simply one great activation. It is the it isn't

1053
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 4: you know, I would you know to use the German

1054
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: it isn't er activation.

1055
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: Yes, very much, So okay, going.

1056
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: Off to it.

1057
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: I couldn't finish the sentence.

1058
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: Go off from Berto echo.

1059
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: Wow, thank you, thank you for thank you for thank

1060
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 4: you for that comparison.

1061
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: So okay, wait, I have very sorry. Also, Sam, I'm sorry.

1062
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm talk talk talking.

1063
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Literally I celebrate it and I say this is perfect.

1064
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: I want to get into I know we're running out

1065
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 2: of time, but I want to ask you sort of

1066
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: like we've been talking about the news from like the

1067
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: news production standpoint, like what does news look like when

1068
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: it is being when it is on TV, when we

1069
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: are reading it in a newspaper or a website or whatever.

1070
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about the archetype of a

1071
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: news consumer, like the archetype of a news junkie, the

1072
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 2: archetype of like someone who just like is a news

1073
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: obsessed You would you say that that is more gay

1074
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: or more.

1075
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: Oh that is more gay?

1076
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree.

1077
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 4: And in fact, and if you were straight when you started,

1078
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: you're gay at the end. The profile of a person

1079
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: who's like actively following the news, that is such a

1080
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 4: weird person in the scale of you know people in

1081
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: our society, like that is so few people and they

1082
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: are so clued in, and that is so gay. It

1083
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: is just so gay to keep up with all the

1084
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: twists and turns of the news. It is the it

1085
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 4: is the main reality show. And so of course all

1086
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: the gay people are watching.

1087
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: It, right, Yes, reality show. It's a way to create

1088
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Speaker 2: community and chosen family.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you're creating narratives, You're you're taking facts in

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Speaker 1: your creating narrative around.

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Speaker 2: Not to ring the jone data in alarm, but we

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00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: tell ourself stories in order to exactly, and so that's

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: what a lot of people are doing day in and

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00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: day out watching MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And like when we had Jake Taper on Potzi

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00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: America and I said to him, thank you for being here.

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00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: I consider you my chosen family. And he looked at

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Speaker 4: me weird, but.

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Speaker 1: I know he got it. I think, so yeah, Yeah,

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00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: sometimes looking at someone weird can be a sign of

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Speaker 1: true understanding.

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00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, very gay to look some of the weird in

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00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: a positive way.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I came out to my parents

1107
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: and they looked at me so weird, and I said,

1108
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: this means they me This means they're seeing me in

1109
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: their understanding.

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00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: Me too. And then my dad said, have you heard

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00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: of this Nate Silver? The signal and the noise? What's

1112
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: up with that? Well, John, I gotta say a lot

1113
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: of great points were raised today. What do you think, Sam,

1114
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm inspired to get out there and run

1115
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: for office. And I know I sound like I'm like

1116
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 2: I'm being like, I'm like, I'm sort of making fun

1117
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: of your point, but I actually did really appreciate your monologue.

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00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I want to start by apologizing to

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00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: everyone who I told to jump off a cliff for

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00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: standing Steve Kornaki that was too far. And I don't

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00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: stand by that now that I've let I've sat with

1122
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: that for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that every cable news show host

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00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: is living out loud and that's all we can ask for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I hope so you both grow while you're

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00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 4: making this.

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00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, yeah, that's the goal. If we don't grow,

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Speaker 2: If we don't grow, we cancel, we don't release the

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00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: other side. Yeah, there's an I have to say. The

1130
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: emotional growth meter is off the charge. I can off

1131
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: the charts. I can see it here on the bottom

1132
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: right hair corner.

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00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: We we have to learn a moral lesson at the

1135
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: end of every single episode.

1136
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: You know, much like Icarus.

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00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: Did it?

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00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: Do you think interessing part of it? They don't really

1139
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: talk it. They don't spend enough time about on what

1140
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 4: Icarus learned he died. Well, that's right, and which we

1141
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 4: all know. But that means you don't really get to

1142
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: see what you kind of crave when you hear the story,

1143
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 4: is what was Icarus's take on all this?

1144
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: That is a very good point. Yeah, and to build

1145
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: off of that, I want to say, you know, the

1146
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: people learning the lesson are in fact people hearing the

1147
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: story of Icarus, and so in that sense, he actually

1148
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 2: is a sort of I don't want to see a messiah.

1149
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: What's the word of Golking for a martyr? A martyr

1150
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: figure because he died for the power of storytelling.

1151
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

1152
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: Well, in a way, what you could say is that

1153
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: that's where cancel culture began. We still hear that story true,

1154
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 4: and say, is wasn't killed by heat, he was killed

1155
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 4: by accountability?

1156
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1157
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: Right, And and so it wasn't that he you know,

1158
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: he flew close too close to the sun. Sure, sure, yeah,

1159
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 4: and then he was held accountable for it.

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and the sun has gone woke in

1161
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: this metaphor, I believe.

1162
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And people are not blaming systemic issues like heat.

1163
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: They are they are forcing this narrative of personal accountability

1164
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: on this person, who is, by the way, an entrepreneur,

1165
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: someone who was a scientist and not wrong and not

1166
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: wrong because guess.

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: What we now do fly and we're flying much closer

1168
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: to the sun than much the sun.

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, you would think those brothers

1170
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: that created the planes maybe could have done it even earlier,

1171
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: if Chris hadn't been so stigmatized. Yeah, yeah, and that's right.

1172
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting their names.

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00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: You're forgetting those brothers, the right brothers, the right brothers.

1174
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: Those damn you know those brothers, those brothers, those brothers.

1175
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: Wow.

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00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think we pretty much cover the news. We

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00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: do our final segment.

1178
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: I think it's about time that we did.

1179
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Okay, John. Our final segment is called shout Outs, and

1180
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: we pay homage to the great straight tradition of the

1181
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: radio shout out, but we shout out to anything that

1182
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: we are enjoying. So you know, imagine it's two thousand

1183
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: and one, you're a TRL and you're shouting out to

1184
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: your squad back home, but about anything that you like.

1185
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: George, do you have one? I can go, I can

1186
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: go love that? Okay, all right? What's up? Hold on,

1187
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: keep that keep that in, Keep that in. Please, We're

1188
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: keeping it in. We're keeping it in.

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00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Sorry?

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00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: You know?

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00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: Okay? All right?

1193
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: This is genius.

1194
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: What's up? Dreamers out there? Anyone who wants to fight

1195
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: too close to the sun and doesn't care about the consequences.

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to Okay, hear

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00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: me out. I want to give a shout out to

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00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: mind new transition lenses. I have decided that I'm reclaiming

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00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: the transition lenses a fashion statement. I think that for

1200
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: too long it has had this connotation of oh, uncool dad,

1201
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: like you know, uncle creepy guy in a van. Guess

1202
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: what this summer, it's chic gig guy like me that

1203
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: is wearing a transition lenses. I'm gonna go out and

1204
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have to carry around a whole other

1205
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: pair of glasses to put on on their son because

1206
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: guess what, the glass technology in them, and they're going

1207
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: to become darker. It is giving a sort of a

1208
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: narrative of growth and then and you know, you know,

1209
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: growth and then then it attracts. It is a narrative.

1210
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: It is a cyclical narrative and that's very LGBTQ plus.

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, much like those cups

1212
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: that sort of change color when you put a hot

1213
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: liquid in them, it gives us sort of excitement to

1214
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: your day that you wouldn't have otherwise. And you can

1215
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: hold various drinks and bags with your hands without having

1216
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: to take off your glasses and put other ones on

1217
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: so it's really convenient in that sense you have fewer

1218
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: things to remember when you leave the house. And also

1219
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: sometimes when you're in the transitional phase and they're sort

1220
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: of like a light gray, you look a little bit like,

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's sort of like European pop star

1222
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: or something, and that can be really powerful as well,

1223
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: like a seventies film producer exactly exactly seventy film producer

1224
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: or porn producer. Even so, I just want to say,

1225
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, get out there and take a fashion risk

1226
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: for once.

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: Wow, that was beautiful, George. I have to say, I've

1228
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: seen these transition lenses out in action, and I was

1229
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: shocked that they were actually transition lenses because when you

1230
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: told me you're reading transition lenses, I imagine, you know,

1231
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: the weird middle school kid like like that sort of look,

1232
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: and I had no idea the strides they've made in

1233
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: transition technology. And when you said European pop star, I

1234
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: was literally gonna say, and I mean this in a

1235
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: good way, Bono. It was giving. I also think you

1236
01:00:59,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: get them.

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01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 4: You get to say something in the same cadence over

1238
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: and over and over again for the rest of your life,

1239
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 4: which is their transition wasn't exactly.

1240
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: You are so right. It's very much like when it's

1241
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: very much like the oh the dress, this dress has pocket?

1242
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1243
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to have a little something. And then, by

1244
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: the way, that's a conversation starter. I met a wedding.

1245
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 4: What's on the ground. There's a bunch of broken fucking ice.

1246
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1247
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

1248
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: Do you want me to do? When?

1249
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: Do I do one? Do to the end or have

1250
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 4: to do one last?

1251
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: The grand finale?

1252
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: Finale?

1253
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: No, it's okay, Sam, are you ready?

1254
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm ready?

1255
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up?

1256
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: Freaks, lousions and perverts around the globe. I would love

1257
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: to give a huge shout out to super Goop sunscreen.

1258
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: That's right.

1259
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: I have been out and about this summer and I

1260
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: have been slobing this stuff on and it stays forever.

1261
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: I yesterday went to the beach and I was there,

1262
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: yes on a Monday. That's okay, you can do whatever

1263
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: you want. I'm on strike first and foremost, and that's

1264
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: how I spent it that day. And I applied onscreen.

1265
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: But one time when I was there for four hours

1266
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: and I did not get sunburned once. I'm loving this stuff,

1267
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: and in fact, I need to maybe use less of

1268
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: it because I'm not really getting tan in the way

1269
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: that I want to, and I don't want to get

1270
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: super tan, but you know what, I'm trying to get

1271
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: a little color. It is summer for trying out loud.

1272
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: So I'm a huge hot supergoop and a feeling like

1273
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: we still have so many more strides to make in

1274
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: sunscreen technology.

1275
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: Woo whoo wow. I love a shout out that then

1276
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: gets nuanced at the end, we're like, well, it's not

1277
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: all good. I actually have gotten as tan as I want.

1278
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's important to be honest, and I

1279
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: think that's, if anything, That's what I discussed about the

1280
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: news today.

1281
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's an endorsement that people will trust because

1282
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: they'll say, you know, he wasn't paid, he didn't say

1283
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: any positive things. He also said a negative thing.

1284
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1285
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: If you can't be a little bit negative about something,

1286
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: how can you really like it?

1287
01:02:59,320 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1288
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 4: Exactly, Yeah, you have you love it, you love it

1289
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 4: like an adult.

1290
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it has flaws, exactly, you know it.

1291
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 4: You don't love something that you love something because you

1292
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 4: know it, not because you don't.

1293
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not some stand Yeah, I'm not standing it.

1294
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: You appreciate the music.

1295
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 4: Of You don't say Sunscreen would never say that. Sunscreen

1296
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: would never do that. You say, I don't know know

1297
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 4: Sunscreen well enough, but I love what Sunscreen does. I

1298
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 4: just can't speak for Sunscreen as a person.

1299
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, exactly. I'm feeling so seen inherritable.

1300
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: You know, we're all gonna start our own website that's

1301
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: anti council cultraftics. I can feel it.

1302
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: Thank god. Okay, John, whenever you are ready, you can

1303
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: go off.

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01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 4: Hey, I just wanted to give a give a little

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Speaker 4: shout out whoever cut the trees down in front of

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Speaker 4: Universal that got rid of the shade that was shading

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Speaker 4: where the striking writers and actors were picketing. And here's

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 4: why that is the one of the great challenges we

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 4: face is that this industry was kind of co opted

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 4: by corporations that have these vast financial interests. They are

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Speaker 4: publicly traded, they need ever growing profits. And this was

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Speaker 4: the most Hollywood shit I've seen happen, the most old

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Speaker 4: school Louis Lee Mayor just an old guy with a

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01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: cigar saying, fuck those kids, cut down the trees. That's

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Speaker 4: the only time that's happened all the public statements are

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Speaker 4: so fucking soft and they're so measured and they're so corporate,

1317
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 4: but the actual stakes are old school Hollywood fucking business.

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01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 4: So it's like it's like, yeah, you're mad at them,

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01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 4: so you cut down the trees, which is probably not

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Speaker 4: something you should do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they understood the assignment.

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Speaker 4: They understood the assignment. And it's like the first time

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01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: a studio has acted like a studio, and this whole

1324
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 4: fucking thing, you know, it's like malicious and mean and

1325
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: wrong against the law, and they're gonna get in trouble,

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01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 4: but not as much trouble as they should. And that

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01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: is what Hollywood is all about.

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Speaker 2: Who bring back villain that's so genius. Bring back villains

1329
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: who don't say we want to change the world.

1330
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: Drama is back. Finally, how about a.

1331
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: Villain that says I want to destroy the world. Maybe

1332
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: then i'll respect you.

1333
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 4: You've tried the villains that, in their own minds are heroes.

1334
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Speaker 4: Let's try the other kind.

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01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I want a villain. I want a studio

1336
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: producer who wants to take over an orphanage so that

1337
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Speaker 1: they can use all the children as extras whenever they want.

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01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, perfect and by the way, the person

1339
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: who said that they want the strikes to go on

1340
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: until no one can afford a house, that person should

1341
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: come out and say who they are and then write

1342
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Speaker 2: a book about it. They would be a best seller.

1343
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: The villain, the bad girl of the AMTP exactly have the.

1344
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 4: Courage to be the beast, like the person who picked

1345
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 4: the journalist. Here's my plan. Hanging the phone, Honey, I

1346
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: helped Wow.

1347
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, wow, Hey, you got to make a splash

1348
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: in this town and tell you.

1349
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 4: What you know.

1350
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: I'll say this. If I was wrong about Harry and Meghan,

1351
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, but I just had to make a splash.

1352
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 4: Now now they're gonna hear this too. You gotta okay, no,

1353
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 4: this Remember this only matters if you're right. If you're wrong,

1354
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 4: it's forgotten to time. If it's red, you're no stradoma.

1355
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Speaker 2: You know what it was, John, It's like you were

1356
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: so inspiring and sort of like encouraging everyone to get

1357
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: out there and be cifically engaged that it then made

1358
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: me regret the fact that I was potentially spreading misinformation

1359
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: even as a joke. Yeah, and so hey, hey this

1360
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: is your foot.

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 4: Look here's one thing it's not it may be misinformation,

1362
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 4: but what but but Sam and I both know is

1363
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 4: it wasn't disinformation.

1364
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: Correct because it did not have the intent.

1365
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: You're not trying to hurt anybody. You just maybe wrong

1366
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 4: in an irresponsible and reckless way. All right, yeah, but

1367
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 4: you're not. You're not trying trying to to make people.

1368
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 4: You're not trying to hurt anybody.

1369
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: Right and by the way, who would it hurt?

1370
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Speaker 1: And George, you know, never forget that you're human, okay,

1371
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: and you're You're flawed, and that's what makes you so

1372
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: relatable to our hundreds of LGBTQ plus week.

1373
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm like super goops sunscreen and that I'm not perfect,

1374
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: but you're pretty good. I'm pretty good and I'm actually

1375
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: better than a lot of the alternatives in the market.

1376
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: Mh wow.

1377
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: So you know, so when the strike is over, just

1378
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 2: consider that studios.

1379
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 4: When we're when we're putting on our gravity boots and

1380
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 4: our masks to go outside where we live on the moon.

1381
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and we're celebrating Megan's new TV show where she

1382
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: plays who was.

1383
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Speaker 3: It or.

1384
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 4: About the discovery of the atom? I believe, yes, exactly.

1385
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: The film is called What a Bore.

1386
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what a riff.

1387
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Speaker 2: Thank you well, John, Thank you so much for for

1388
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: for zooming in for this work in conversation. We really

1389
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Keep having it was an absolute delight.

1390
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: It was a treat. I feel enlightened.

1391
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: It was so much fun too. I'm ready to get

1392
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: out there and read the.

1393
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to vote tomorrow.

1394
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: There was the first time for everything.

1395
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: No, this was really fun. Thank you for doing it.

1396
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: All right.

1397
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: It so great.

1398
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: Okay, By, we should have a sign off, but we don't.

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Speaker 3: B