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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and welcome into Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the SWNBC Mortgage studio. Happy Monday to everybody. It's
Speaker 1: a victory Monday out here at the Star. Cowboys thirty
Speaker 1: five New York Giants seventeen in the season opener, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it was really that close either. Dominant performance,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, Bill Jones will
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. But we have so much to talk
Speaker 1: about over this next forty five minutes. Not a bad
Speaker 1: way to start the season. Huh. Took the words right
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. Yes, absolutely, you know, And I think,
Speaker 1: as I when my column gets up, I wrote, they
Speaker 1: answered a lot of questions. I think that we're kind
Speaker 1: of swirling around the team as they went into this
Speaker 1: first game, and almost every one of the answers came
Speaker 1: out awfully positive. In a game like that, when you
Speaker 1: dominate an opponent. You should have dominated and go out
Speaker 1: there and do what you're supposed to do. I didn't
Speaker 1: see thirty five points coming, but I thought that they
Speaker 1: were just so efficient and I just don't think you
Speaker 1: could criticize much of anything they did offensively. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks like to me a team that actually got preseason
Speaker 1: snaps that were able to get a series or two
Speaker 1: and then kind of parlay that into thirty practices that
Speaker 1: we saw. Some of the things. Some of the questions,
Speaker 1: It's like Mickey talked about, were what kind of game
Speaker 1: was Kellen Morgan a call? And you know, Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: to his credit, saw a defense that he felt like
Speaker 1: that he could attack, and he attacked it with play action.
Speaker 1: He attacked it with clearly better skill players than what
Speaker 1: the Giants had. We talked about it all week. It's
Speaker 1: why you should listen to the show is we talked
Speaker 1: about the Giants lacked of pass rush and even when
Speaker 1: they tried to blitz, they got the pickups. They used
Speaker 1: old Wally and pickups, they used Zeke and pickups. They
Speaker 1: even used Tony Pollard in some pickups. So you know,
Speaker 1: when the Giants tried to answer with some things. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys had their own answers, and you know, give Dak
Speaker 1: Press got a lot of credit clean pocket in front
Speaker 1: of him. Receivers went in on the outside tight ends,
Speaker 1: winning when they had to. So overall, offensively, I think
Speaker 1: it was really a very well played game, even to
Speaker 1: the aspect that, like I say, we learned a little
Speaker 1: bit about the player coming out in multiple formations, even
Speaker 1: sometimes getting in twelve personnel and then still throwing the football.
Speaker 1: You know, that's something in the past we've kind of seen.
Speaker 1: Twelve personnel was a Zeke handoff, and you know, but
Speaker 1: here he is. I counted one time where he had
Speaker 1: a play and I wrote about this last night, that
Speaker 1: he had a play where he had four players moving
Speaker 1: pre snap, yeah, you know, one after the other, and
Speaker 1: then brought the first player, which was Randall Cobb, all
Speaker 1: the way across the formation and then brought him back
Speaker 1: on the fake on the jet sweep and through the
Speaker 1: screen to Ezekiel Elliott going the other way out the
Speaker 1: back door. So he's trying to show creativity. He's trying
Speaker 1: to show that he can find ways to attack defenses
Speaker 1: when they're just not good enough to handle you. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a very very positive sign coming out
Speaker 1: of that, you know. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: I think was probably with all the things that happened,
Speaker 1: maybe was underscored, was the fact that he went a
Speaker 1: lot of hurry up offense. We didn't see that in preseason,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that we saw it in training camp.
Speaker 1: They would have a session maybe for hurry up, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't like in the concept of just they drive
Speaker 1: down the field. And what I liked the most was
Speaker 1: when they hit him with a big play. There was
Speaker 1: no celebrating. It was get your butt to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and let's go. We're we're we're not going
Speaker 1: to let them regroup. We know we're we're gonna snap
Speaker 1: the ball. And then the other thing, and maybe not
Speaker 1: so much in the running game, but the offensive line
Speaker 1: keeping Dak clean. No sacks. This is a guy that
Speaker 1: was sacked fifty six times last year and he only
Speaker 1: got hit twice. Right, And the other thing is he
Speaker 1: didn't save any sacks by having to run out of
Speaker 1: the pocket. His only two runs were called quarterback runs
Speaker 1: and then to kneel down, So to me, the pocket
Speaker 1: was clean. He had time to kind of survey the field,
Speaker 1: come off his first bread, go to the second one,
Speaker 1: sometimes the third. That was the time that he had
Speaker 1: in the pocket. Uh. And you got to credit that
Speaker 1: offensive line that really hadn't played together much at all
Speaker 1: during the preseason. Maybe one time. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: that second game, but I don't know that because Zach
Speaker 1: Martin probably didn't play in that. He did not when
Speaker 1: they played the starters exactly exactly. Do you want to
Speaker 1: retract that this is a sky Wars offense? It is
Speaker 1: one way you said that back in camp. Don't expect,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Leach offense necessarily for this team. And
Speaker 1: I get your point because Dak said it after the
Speaker 1: game was over. We're not running necessarily a bunch of
Speaker 1: new plays like you said, Brian. They're presenting things a
Speaker 1: little bit differently pre snap, making the defense guess and
Speaker 1: dialing some things up at the right time. That's you know,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's dialed up right when a couple
Speaker 1: of these touchdowns, I mean, there's nobody within ten yards
Speaker 1: of these guys. Blake jarr went on the opening touchdown
Speaker 1: from twenty eight yards out, etc. Yeah, they caught. They
Speaker 1: did a nice job when you have a lot of
Speaker 1: weapons like they have, or players that can make plays.
Speaker 1: You know, guys like Randall Cobb in the slot. We
Speaker 1: saw what he's capable of doing. But when you have
Speaker 1: guys that that demand coverage on the outside and guys
Speaker 1: that demand coverage inside, you can't. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: the old you know, put your finger in the in
Speaker 1: the damn there to keep the water from coming out.
Speaker 1: There's just more holes. And I think the Giants got
Speaker 1: caught in a situation yesterday where there were so many
Speaker 1: trying to put their fingers and holes to stop the
Speaker 1: leaking that it just the flood hit them. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the idea of how you build your
Speaker 1: football team. You put as many weapons out there as
Speaker 1: you can. You have a quarterback that, like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: the quarterback had a command of what was going on
Speaker 1: as far as they're able to play with pace. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like making a play and he's like, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. And you know, that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of where we that the game is evolving to. When
Speaker 1: it is about playing with pace, it's about making big plays,
Speaker 1: it's about chunk plays and the Cowboys had their share
Speaker 1: of those big chunk plays that really affected the way
Speaker 1: that the Giants were. The Giants didn't have an answer
Speaker 1: for them in the secondary. The kid DeAndre Baker will
Speaker 1: be a great player for them one day, He's just
Speaker 1: not right now. Janoris Jenkins, they feel like that they
Speaker 1: got better at safety. I don't think they got better
Speaker 1: at safety. I really don't. I was talking yea yeah,
Speaker 1: Brill Peppers and that they are not good. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers, I think is an okay player. But but
Speaker 1: they you know, for them to think that they can
Speaker 1: line up Antoine but they against against Mary Cooper and
Speaker 1: the slot and play at one on one with no
Speaker 1: safety help in the middle of the field. Is that's
Speaker 1: that's just that's not having an answer right there. Anna
Speaker 1: Mari's touchdown in the game was with DeAndre Baker, their
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, lining up on just a great throw.
Speaker 1: Just a great throw, yeah, absolutely great throw and a
Speaker 1: great and a great pickup inside. Matter of fact, it
Speaker 1: was Connor Williams. They run a blitz off the left side,
Speaker 1: and Connor Williams not only helps Travis Frederick with his guy,
Speaker 1: but here the young man having some awareness to bump
Speaker 1: outside pick up the bootsk Tyren Smith had to go
Speaker 1: get the blitzer and then here's Connor Williams sliding over
Speaker 1: to pick up the guy and now the balls out
Speaker 1: of your hands. So maybe Connor Williams last year would
Speaker 1: not have been aware and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Dak would have been hit and much like Manny got
Speaker 1: hit on you know with Lords, and the ball would
Speaker 1: have been fluttering down the field. But that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: They had to get a great job of managing the
Speaker 1: twist stunts that they had up front. They managed to
Speaker 1: pick up the blitzes and then press Scott made them
Speaker 1: pay for their lack of coverage on the back end.
Speaker 1: You know. I was talking to Kellen Moore afterwards and
Speaker 1: asked him if Dak had checked to that play and
Speaker 1: he said no, he goes that was the play that
Speaker 1: was called and if we got the coverage we were
Speaker 1: looking for, that's where we were going right it. And
Speaker 1: he looked because he could see the blitz was coming
Speaker 1: and he saw and I saw it from the press box.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, he's in single coverage. Yeah, the safety's
Speaker 1: way in the middle of the field. Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1: Dad did a great job of holding Peppers in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. He never he never looked. He
Speaker 1: never looked to his left until Connor, until the blitz
Speaker 1: got picked up. And when that blitz got picked up,
Speaker 1: then he looked as he looked to the left, and
Speaker 1: then that that kept Peppers right in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, like Mickey said, deep in a way. And
Speaker 1: that was just a whole shot right there, the one
Speaker 1: I wanted him to hit. I wanted him to hit
Speaker 1: the older Walley one. How many times have we seen
Speaker 1: that one? And wheel route, the wheel route. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was always afraid to talk about it to practice. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like, oh, they tried to
Speaker 1: run olda Wally on the wheel where you know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking, Okay, that's one of those secretive type plays
Speaker 1: you really don't want to talk about. You know. The
Speaker 1: coaches would walk up tea and go, hey, Brian, please
Speaker 1: don't be talking about stuff. You're watching it practice that way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the older Walley route, that's that's one of
Speaker 1: those plays that you know, they got what they wanted to.
Speaker 1: They had an outside linebacker who was really a rush
Speaker 1: defensive end that was in coverage and if they could
Speaker 1: have got the ball a little bit further down the field,
Speaker 1: I think older Walley would have made that play, but
Speaker 1: it was It's It's a play that they'd been working
Speaker 1: on a couple different times in practice, and they actually
Speaker 1: hit it a couple of times because they got some
Speaker 1: of the they got the linebackers and coverage on that
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and we're able to hit it. So
Speaker 1: looking play. Kellen Moore, I've said it before when we
Speaker 1: first talked to him back in OTAs, oh While he
Speaker 1: was one of the first guys he mentioned in terms
Speaker 1: of a versatile guy that did a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: in Oakland, and people might chuckle at it because he's
Speaker 1: the fullback, but he is versatile. And you know, Dad
Speaker 1: completed passes to seven different receivers that very well could
Speaker 1: have been eight. It's just an example of using all
Speaker 1: the guys that he's got and a lot of talented guys.
Speaker 1: And I think they sent a message to the next
Speaker 1: opponent in the rest of the league that this isn't
Speaker 1: a one man receiving corps. And I think you're picked
Speaker 1: the click Michael Gallup, Yeah, it worked out that you
Speaker 1: stole from me. I worked out. Okay, we usually give
Speaker 1: you first choice. I know, and I let him go
Speaker 1: because I knew where he was going. Well, he was
Speaker 1: seven catches for one hundred and fifty eight yards and
Speaker 1: and boy was he good and not It wasn't just
Speaker 1: nine nine routes. He was running those slants. He was
Speaker 1: catching the ball in traffic, guys on him. H that
Speaker 1: was a heck of a game. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what we were expecting. That's what we've been seeing. We
Speaker 1: have the benefit of getting the privilege of watching all
Speaker 1: these practices going back to late July, and he has
Speaker 1: been dominant at times in practice. And he looked at
Speaker 1: Cooper in practice, he was he was there all the time.
Speaker 1: You gonna talk about this defense? Yeah, you do it.
Speaker 1: After the break, Uh, we got a couple more minutes. Quick.
Speaker 1: Everything wasn't perfect now exactly. We'll get to that when
Speaker 1: we come back, but real quick on Dac, just to
Speaker 1: recap his day, twenty five or thirty two, four oh five,
Speaker 1: four touchdowns and the Cowboys had touchdowns on five straight drives.
Speaker 1: I believe time since two thousand they had done that. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: perfect quarterback rating, Mick. That's the first time second the
Speaker 1: first with more than twenty attempts, and one of four
Speaker 1: players in NFL history to get four hundred passing yards
Speaker 1: four touchdowns in a perfect rating. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Yeah, I mean it was could have drawn
Speaker 1: it up any better. I mean, he was on spot,
Speaker 1: he was seeing the receivers, he was given time. His
Speaker 1: four hundred and five yards. When I looked it up,
Speaker 1: it's eleventh most in club history. He was two yards
Speaker 1: short of being ninth because there was a tie for
Speaker 1: ninth at four oh six uh. And I kidded with
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore afterwards, I said, so did you quit callin
Speaker 1: passes that fourth quarter to preserve your seventh spot with
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty five yards passing? And he laughed
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, I probably should have thought of that. Also,
Speaker 1: it was the most yards UH in a season opener
Speaker 1: by a Cowboy quarterback in history. J. Troy Aikman owned
Speaker 1: the record at three sixty two, but he needed overtime
Speaker 1: in ninety nine against the Redskins, and those came on
Speaker 1: the winning touchdown fast first day the back with the
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys with ye rocket ishmael uh and they
Speaker 1: they had named the play a rocket red glare. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a nine route and rocket ishmail just burned
Speaker 1: him down the field. And it was the same pass
Speaker 1: they had thrown to him earlier in the game and
Speaker 1: he had dropped dropped it, and this time it was
Speaker 1: an eighty yard touchdown pass to win it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you think about all the games they've played, all
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks, and this was the best season opener
Speaker 1: by a Cowboys quarterback. We mentioned Cooper and Gallup, they're
Speaker 1: the first receiving duo on this team since twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: to get both one hundred yard receiving games. And we
Speaker 1: talked about you mentioned chunk plays. Brian five completions of
Speaker 1: over twenty five yards and there you go, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of games playing that way. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: two for two in the red zone, which is a
Speaker 1: encouraging dating from dating back to last season. But you
Speaker 1: also didn't have to put yourself in that situation with
Speaker 1: all the chunk plays they had offensively. And then let's
Speaker 1: not forget Randall Cobb, who made a couple third down
Speaker 1: catches to get first downs, and none more so than
Speaker 1: the one on third down when they were at the
Speaker 1: sixteen yard line. I think they needed eight yards or so,
Speaker 1: and he not only caught the ball on and out,
Speaker 1: but he broke the tackle, got the first down, and
Speaker 1: got it to the five yard line, had set up
Speaker 1: Witten's touchdown. So Randall, Cobb and Brian we've been talking
Speaker 1: about this, his ability to run with the ball after
Speaker 1: the catch and he turns into a running back. And
Speaker 1: he did it. He did it a couple times, so
Speaker 1: I didn't lose anything having him playing in the slot. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: disrespect to Cole Beasley, and that's gonna be the last
Speaker 1: time I say that, because you know, we all we
Speaker 1: all respect Cole. But this is a different cat. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that's the guy that's been there. He's
Speaker 1: a bad ball catcher. You know. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: can adjust. He can make the plays when he's contested.
Speaker 1: You saw what he can do. He's he stopped four
Speaker 1: yards short of the sticks and Hamilton tries to get
Speaker 1: him on a low tackle and he just says, no,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get me. He put his hand in
Speaker 1: the middle of his chest and stopped his momentum and
Speaker 1: then just him to his side and then put his
Speaker 1: shoulder down to get through bethet to get the first So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a different cat with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: He's a big time player. He's always been a big
Speaker 1: time player. And you know, is the pro department. You
Speaker 1: go out, you try and find those guys. You should
Speaker 1: go out and try and find a guy that maybe
Speaker 1: for one season he plays out of his mind and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, now you've done a good
Speaker 1: job of helping your football team win games because you
Speaker 1: got guys like him on that team and it only
Speaker 1: cost him five million dollars. Talk about that heck of
Speaker 1: a signing, probably probably one of the best in the
Speaker 1: entire league this past spring. All right, let's take our
Speaker 1: first break. We come back, Like Brian said, we'll shift
Speaker 1: to the defense and how their performance looked against the Giants.
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Speaker 1: thoughts on defensively how Dallas looked giving up seventeen points
Speaker 1: although one touchdown came late. What were your thoughts. Overall, well,
Speaker 1: thank goodness, they made some big plays holding them to
Speaker 1: ten points. Sure, because the overall performance from a yardage
Speaker 1: standpoint giving up four hundred and seventy yards, which is
Speaker 1: the most yards they've given up in the last twenty
Speaker 1: two games. And what's troubling to me is if you
Speaker 1: look at what this defense had done over the last
Speaker 1: two games. Going back to the Rams playoff games, the
Speaker 1: Rams had four hundred and fifty nine yards against them.
Speaker 1: If you add that together, that's nine hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: nine yards they've given up in the last two games,
Speaker 1: a long and four hundred and twenty four of those
Speaker 1: are rushing yards, So one fifty one yesterday to the Giants.
Speaker 1: And we don't need to keep tract of how many
Speaker 1: games they've played without giving up a one hundred yard
Speaker 1: rusher because they did it already with se Quon Barkley.
Speaker 1: So to me, when you've given up four hund and
Speaker 1: twenty four yards rushing in two games, that's kind of
Speaker 1: a troubling sign. And I know the games are nine
Speaker 1: months apart or whatever, but still you gotta do better
Speaker 1: than that. And I'm sure Rod and Marron Nelly's Barking
Speaker 1: in there today, Well said Mickey. Well said on that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think to me that the game playing clearly was
Speaker 1: to try and stop Barkley and to stop Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: and you failed both in both. If you really want
Speaker 1: to look at it, you know, you can allow the
Speaker 1: others to make plays, but you know that part of
Speaker 1: it didn't kill you. They talk about they talk about
Speaker 1: they would rather they're okay with the yards as long
Speaker 1: as they don't give up the points. The thing that
Speaker 1: was troubling to me was we talked about tack and
Speaker 1: it looked like at times it was really really poor.
Speaker 1: You know, so maybe that's something that will see to go,
Speaker 1: you know, as we get into the season, that will improve.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, you look at the if you
Speaker 1: look at the overall numbers of who had to make
Speaker 1: the tackles, Xavier Woods was your leading tackler with eleven.
Speaker 1: It's never good when your safety's having to make eleven plays,
Speaker 1: it seemed like. And two, I think the Cowboy was
Speaker 1: very fortunate the game wasn't close, because they would have
Speaker 1: just steady dieted you. With se Quon Barkley, I don't
Speaker 1: think they had a real answer for him at all.
Speaker 1: I just don't. And we made the Barry Sanders comparison
Speaker 1: did too during the week. It's absolutely true about him.
Speaker 1: And you know, if he would have I think Dallas
Speaker 1: took him out of the game as far as the score,
Speaker 1: took him out of a game because if that thing
Speaker 1: was close, I mean, they just kept handing the ball,
Speaker 1: handing the ball, and you're thinking, like, man, they have
Speaker 1: not really stopped him yet. Day. You know, Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: had a mistackle that could have been a minus play
Speaker 1: spun off goes down, you know, Yeah, the fifty nine
Speaker 1: yard was a hell of a play by a Woozier
Speaker 1: to run him down from the other side of the field.
Speaker 1: Just a great effort because if a Woozier doesn't come flying,
Speaker 1: they still scoring the drive, but just the effort to
Speaker 1: get over there. But yeah, they were blocked badly on
Speaker 1: the play. There was nobody in the alley the ball
Speaker 1: when it went out of there. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it was on he was setting sales. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that you have to worry about I think you
Speaker 1: have to worry about the pass rush. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was nearly now that we talked about the Giants
Speaker 1: had had improved some with their with their pass protection.
Speaker 1: It was clear that was something they wanted to do,
Speaker 1: but I just, you know, it just wasn't It seemed
Speaker 1: like the best pass rushes they had were when Eli
Speaker 1: Manning got outside the pocket. That's when they that's when
Speaker 1: they were the most effective. When when Pat Shermer was
Speaker 1: making some ridiculous calls on third and four down, instead
Speaker 1: of handing the ball to that number twenty six, you know,
Speaker 1: he says, oh, let's get cute and try and do
Speaker 1: something near on the outside. So you got some help there.
Speaker 1: Smart played by Woods, by the way to tackle that
Speaker 1: guy on the goal line when the ball got outside.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a brilliant play on his part.
Speaker 1: But yeah, overall, I think if you're the Cowboys, you
Speaker 1: have to be concerned that the two best players for
Speaker 1: the Giants you did not really control. And you know
Speaker 1: that that's you know they're I think they're gonna play
Speaker 1: better offenses. I think they're going to play teams with
Speaker 1: you know, with I don't know if they have a
Speaker 1: better running back, but just as good as tight ends
Speaker 1: and even better receivers down the line, and a better
Speaker 1: quarterback for sure. Now a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: Ingram's came in the fourth quarter and they were trying
Speaker 1: to keep everything underneath and they were just dumping, dumping,
Speaker 1: dumping to him. But the sequon Barkley part just really
Speaker 1: worried to me that the defensive tackles weren't holding down
Speaker 1: the fort in the middle. And then the linebackers, like
Speaker 1: on his big run, Vanderish got caught looking inside and
Speaker 1: he's chasing the ball instead of staying in his gap.
Speaker 1: And they knew that this guy will jump cut on
Speaker 1: you and don't over pursue. That's what got him in
Speaker 1: trouble against the Rams. They started over pursuing angles. Gotta
Speaker 1: do better than that. And he was finding creases right
Speaker 1: up the middle. You know. It wasn't like he was
Speaker 1: speed to the outside. It was creases in the middle.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's gotta that part's gotta improve. And as
Speaker 1: Brian said, you know you got one sack. That was it. Oh,
Speaker 1: Tank was not happy after the game talking, I mean said,
Speaker 1: it's not good enough. You could tell those guys were
Speaker 1: not happy with the overall performance. Now they did get
Speaker 1: off the field, yes, two of eleven. I think the
Speaker 1: Giants were off third downs a couple takeaways. So there
Speaker 1: were some good things there. Got off on fourth down two,
Speaker 1: fourth down, big play by Tank there as well. Obviously
Speaker 1: the terrible call. Yeah, I just you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? I don't know. That's why that
Speaker 1: that to me the Giant that's where you know, you
Speaker 1: have a you have a you talk about Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and the way he uses his weapons or way he
Speaker 1: used the weapons yesterday. You know, when you take the
Speaker 1: ball at Saquon Barkley's hands, that to me is a
Speaker 1: that's just a sign of stupidity right there for Patton,
Speaker 1: And if you're the Giants, you have to be sitting
Speaker 1: there going why do we do this? Why do we what? What?
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Why are we trying to
Speaker 1: do it? Happened twice right downplay when he when he
Speaker 1: was getting hit and Vanderish hit him and they called
Speaker 1: him for intentional grounding, right and then the fourth down
Speaker 1: play fourth and one, and you're going to roll him out.
Speaker 1: The best pressure they got, like I said, was when
Speaker 1: they when they got when they got manning outside in space,
Speaker 1: that's the best. But to get one set and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what something is a little disappointing to me,
Speaker 1: just you know, because we've talked about the depth on
Speaker 1: this roster, especially the depth on the defense. It was
Speaker 1: not you know, you watch guys like the carry Hiders,
Speaker 1: and you watch the Joe Jacksons, and you watch the
Speaker 1: backup guys. You know, if you're counting on these guys
Speaker 1: to play, and it's late in the game, and I know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the score is not what it needs to be,
Speaker 1: But if you're counting on Carry Hider and you're counting
Speaker 1: on Joe Jackson and all those guys and any all
Speaker 1: the other backups that were in that game or Armstrong,
Speaker 1: they did not affect that game or make a play
Speaker 1: that the Giants just went down the field to get
Speaker 1: that set that last touchdown. And a lot of that
Speaker 1: was on guys that you're talking about being, hey, this
Speaker 1: is the depth and these are the rotational players, and
Speaker 1: this is you know, we And yeah, I'm guilty. I'm
Speaker 1: guilty of this because I'm sitting there telling you, well, Okay,
Speaker 1: Kerry Hider can do this, and Doorg's Armstrong could do this,
Speaker 1: and but those guys didn't show up like they needed to.
Speaker 1: If they're going to rely on them to be rotational players,
Speaker 1: they have to play better than what they played in
Speaker 1: that in that second half or that fourth quarter in
Speaker 1: that in that game yesterday, it's not just shoot, everybody's
Speaker 1: talked about the depth on that line. Yeah, two high
Speaker 1: draft picks that were healthy scratches made an active in
Speaker 1: the game. Maybe maybe have to rethink that might be
Speaker 1: Taco dying. Yeah, exactly, because my Armstrong got one quarterback hit.
Speaker 1: Otherwise he zeroed out, didn't even make a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So to me, if you're gonna play the guy thirty snaps,
Speaker 1: that's forty three percent of the plays and that's all
Speaker 1: you get. I just and they tried moving him around
Speaker 1: to the point finally they started a couple of times
Speaker 1: they moved Lawrence over to the right side. Yes, they
Speaker 1: weren't getting any plas over there. They weren't. That's where
Speaker 1: they tried to take advantage a little bit of Nate
Speaker 1: Solder and Nick Nick Mickey was right about that. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of that. But you know, the
Speaker 1: best player, the best player on the field with all
Speaker 1: that young group playing was was Tyren Crawford playing as
Speaker 1: the under tackle. I mean, he was the one guy
Speaker 1: that was actually and you know, he's a starter, and
Speaker 1: there's a reason why he's a starter, but the guys
Speaker 1: around him were not showing up, and that that that
Speaker 1: part of it is disappointing, because they throw you out
Speaker 1: there for a reason, you know, and if you're if
Speaker 1: you're incapable of getting pressure or making tackles or making plays,
Speaker 1: then maybe the thought about, well, wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: got you guys mentioned, we got Hill here, we've got
Speaker 1: Taco here, as time to say, okay, well let's let's
Speaker 1: see what's going on here. Let's really see what's going on.
Speaker 1: Because that was inexcusable the way that those guys played
Speaker 1: and allowed the Giants just to just to go down
Speaker 1: the field, the way they did score that touch. You know,
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at the tackles, you got to get
Speaker 1: to four the eighth guy in tackles antoine Woods with
Speaker 1: two and Covington with two, and that was it on
Speaker 1: the defensive line. So you got to do a better
Speaker 1: job than that. Somebody's got to do something. Now, they
Speaker 1: tried to. They said they were going to rotate the
Speaker 1: guys and not give them that many snaps. So Lawrence
Speaker 1: ended up playing thirty two of the snaps, so thirty
Speaker 1: two of the sixty nine snaps and Crawford end up
Speaker 1: playing thirty of the sixty nine. But again, the idea
Speaker 1: was to get more versatile guys there. Well, they may
Speaker 1: have to rethink that and get a pure pass rusher
Speaker 1: in there on one of those sides opposite to Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: We'll see if the approach changes going into week two.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys. We've only got a few
Speaker 1: minutes left in the show. So speaking of get going, yeah,
Speaker 1: number twenty one, Yes, you want to touch on him
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. He got going, ended
Speaker 1: up with We kept talking about twenty twenty five snaps.
Speaker 1: He ended up with thirty seven snaps in the game.
Speaker 1: A couple drives went a little longer for it, That's
Speaker 1: what Jason said. He pointed out that, okay, we had
Speaker 1: this thing going and they weren't taking much time between
Speaker 1: plays the substitute, so they left him in there no
Speaker 1: worse for wear, and that thing I think physically look fine.
Speaker 1: I think towards the end there that drive when he
Speaker 1: ended up scoring the touchdown, he looked like he was
Speaker 1: getting a little bit more in rhythm, that he was
Speaker 1: seeing the holes a little bit better, and he was
Speaker 1: I think he was really conscious of making sure he
Speaker 1: hung onto the football in a lot of those instances
Speaker 1: because he hadn't been hit right. So that's a great point.
Speaker 1: He got to be careful. It's one thing to be
Speaker 1: in shape, but that's one thing you're missing when you're
Speaker 1: not here or just getting banged around. Why he would
Speaker 1: at least got you know, touched up in the training cas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I thought that that drive when he scored the
Speaker 1: touchdown on the ten yard run, he kind of showed
Speaker 1: I go, okay, that's Zeke, and the run before that,
Speaker 1: oh okay, I'm starting to zee Zeke. So they did
Speaker 1: a good job, but I'm not sure how well they
Speaker 1: did run blocking. I don't know if the run blocking
Speaker 1: on the offensive line takes a little more coordination. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny that, you know, there was so much success
Speaker 1: throwing the football, and it's amazing even not running the
Speaker 1: ball well, the threat or the potential of having a
Speaker 1: Zekiel Elliot and there affected the way the Giants played
Speaker 1: their linebackers. You know, they were so conscious of stepping
Speaker 1: up and trying to fill that. That's those slants and
Speaker 1: stuff were coming off the back. I mean their play action,
Speaker 1: he fakes the inside handoff and you've got full flow
Speaker 1: going one way and the next you know, they got
Speaker 1: one on one on the back side with nobody in
Speaker 1: that hole. I wouldn't have I wouldn't have run the
Speaker 1: ball either. I mean, if if they're gonna give you that,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna give you ten twelve yards every shot
Speaker 1: doing that, Now you know that what I saw was
Speaker 1: with the with the run blocking though is there was
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be more about getting Zeke back to
Speaker 1: the flow of okay, when when we get the push here,
Speaker 1: making that cut here again? You know, I think he
Speaker 1: the timing of some of their runs wasn't as good
Speaker 1: as it needed to be, But that will come. That
Speaker 1: will come with practice. He just needs to get back
Speaker 1: in the flow of okay when we when they pushed
Speaker 1: the front side here wears it on the back side,
Speaker 1: Where do I need to make that cut? I think
Speaker 1: I think Zeke was instead of trying to cut the
Speaker 1: ball back and make runs, he was more about let's
Speaker 1: just press the hole, get what we can and go forward.
Speaker 1: Just keep That's his mindset. Wasn't about try and make
Speaker 1: the huge. It was just trying to get what I
Speaker 1: can get there, get what I can't get there, you know.
Speaker 1: But throwing the football. Hell, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: run the ball at all if I'd known I was
Speaker 1: gonna protect as well as I did and have receivers
Speaker 1: went on the outside like they did. You know that
Speaker 1: drill they do in training camp where Gary Brown basically
Speaker 1: the running backs coming at Gary Brown and they have
Speaker 1: those garbage cans set up and then he gives them
Speaker 1: the number, the whole three to cut. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure they didn't do that in Cabo right right, unless
Speaker 1: they lined up Margarita's and then it's like, okay, go
Speaker 1: this way, go that way. He said he did try
Speaker 1: to simulate plays, and I don't know exactly how he
Speaker 1: did it, but they probably didn't have the garbage can
Speaker 1: zee probably not. And you know, and that's one thing
Speaker 1: the running backs got to see. Kind of keep your
Speaker 1: head up and you got to look for where the
Speaker 1: whole at the last minute. But bunts open. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what Barkley was doing awfully well, by the way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but other than that, you know, from a
Speaker 1: physical standpoint, they were right. He was in good enough shape.
Speaker 1: How many touches he ended up having thirteen runs in
Speaker 1: one catch? Is that right? Yes, and one drop. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Screen was pretty screen they set up. I talked about
Speaker 1: all the movement, the pre snap movement they had just
Speaker 1: to get to a screen. I mean that's you know,
Speaker 1: and I think you'll see more. I think you'll see
Speaker 1: Ezekiel at once again feel more comfortable with making those cuts,
Speaker 1: the violent cuts we've seen in you know, the Giants
Speaker 1: they were committed to try and like I said, step
Speaker 1: up and try and make tackles. They were not going
Speaker 1: to let him dictate this game. The problem is, like
Speaker 1: I said, they they let the they let the receivers
Speaker 1: and tight ends just abuse him in this game. And
Speaker 1: you know, with no pass rush. I mean that that's
Speaker 1: that's a that's inexcusable for them. They've got they've got
Speaker 1: a lot of issues on that that that defense for
Speaker 1: the Giants, they really really do. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: almost like they made this bet that, by golly, we're
Speaker 1: not letting Zeke beat us or Tony Pollard beat us.
Speaker 1: Dak and you beat us, well, you know what, you
Speaker 1: lost the bet. You lost the bet he did and
Speaker 1: after the game, you know, the contract talk was unavoidable.
Speaker 1: And what did you hear from that in the locker room?
Speaker 1: Or outside the locker room with Jerry and Stephen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only thing that you know, it sounded like because
Speaker 1: when Jerry was asked about it right away, he kind
Speaker 1: of parried the question away and we're not talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I guess later he said, yeah, it's imminent, So
Speaker 1: we'll see what imminent the definition? What does that exactly?
Speaker 1: You mean like it's a it's it's right or way
Speaker 1: like maybe tomorrow, but we'll see, you know, everybody the
Speaker 1: question everybody keeps asking as well, Okay, how much did
Speaker 1: that game cost to Cowboys? Because the price went up.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking if you were that close to a contract,
Speaker 1: they're not going to sit here all of a sudden
Speaker 1: and rip everything up and accomplished and start again and say,
Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, now you know what, we got
Speaker 1: a perfect quarterback? Well I need ten more million dollars.
Speaker 1: It just maybe it helps you resolve a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think it speeds up the process. Maybe it helps
Speaker 1: the little things that you haven't agreed to yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it helps you resolve a little bit more. Maybe it
Speaker 1: solidifies your thought. They're like, okay, we're handing this hand
Speaker 1: this young man a lot of money and we're going
Speaker 1: to make him the future of our team, a future
Speaker 1: for our franchise, and maybe that gives you a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a Okay, we saw some of those things.
Speaker 1: That's what we always talk about. Scouts and first front
Speaker 1: office guys always want to see players perform well. And
Speaker 1: you know, clearly with him and Kellen Moore and the
Speaker 1: way that this, uh, this offense looked yesterday throwing the football.
Speaker 1: You know, that gives you some hope that all the
Speaker 1: things of working with John kitt and all the things
Speaker 1: they did this summer, all the extra work, everything about
Speaker 1: that was at least for one game, was very very positive.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I think it does is reinforce
Speaker 1: your thoughts that, Okay, I'm gonna make this purchase. Think
Speaker 1: about when you've made a big purchase and then you
Speaker 1: sit there and do it and you go, God, what
Speaker 1: did I just do? And then you know, once you
Speaker 1: get whatever you had and it's what you thought it was,
Speaker 1: you're going, Okay, this was good. So maybe this gives them,
Speaker 1: you know, no buyer's remorse here when you seems like
Speaker 1: absolutely anything off periscope that's cooking. Brian. Before we get
Speaker 1: out of here, any guys want to touch on that
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on. Now. They're just they're out, They're
Speaker 1: they're concerned about the the they were wondering what we
Speaker 1: thought about the linebacker play overall. I know, I think
Speaker 1: vander Esh was second on the list in tackles the nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know with Jalen, you know, to me,
Speaker 1: I was I was expecting a bigger game from those guys.
Speaker 1: I know, because Layton Vanderus was like my guy, my
Speaker 1: pick to click guy. Because because I didn't feel like well,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like though that the Giants would be
Speaker 1: able to get to the linebackers. I thought all I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought all three linebackers were going to play really
Speaker 1: really well in that game. But you know, vander Esh
Speaker 1: other than Mickey, talked about the one time that he
Speaker 1: got got hooked pretty good. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: they as a group, they would probably watch that tape
Speaker 1: and see they need to play a little bit. I
Speaker 1: think the front seven and as a whole probably feels
Speaker 1: like they need to play a little bit better. And
Speaker 1: then again, you know, people are also asking about Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: They're saying, hey, when does Byron Jones get back into
Speaker 1: the into the mix, and I wrote last night this
Speaker 1: this could be the week that we could see Byron
Speaker 1: Jones back there. It is starting right cornerspack spot because
Speaker 1: now he's got some time to practice. He got some
Speaker 1: work in the dime and the nickel and stuff like that. Yes,
Speaker 1: a matter of fact that the one he had some
Speaker 1: coverage on Evan Ingram was was incomplete. So it was
Speaker 1: good to see him back doing those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, this could be the week that we
Speaker 1: see them flip that that out now and go back
Speaker 1: with Byron Jones after he made it through this game.
Speaker 1: What do you get, Mick, like twenty snaps twenty five?
Speaker 1: Who's at Yeah? Uh eight? Not bad? And you know
Speaker 1: what the one the one play the Brown if I'm
Speaker 1: remembering correctly, the catch Foler made on the sideline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was just a great effort. Oh no,
Speaker 1: no questioning you can do. But I thought it was
Speaker 1: it was on the left, Yeah it was, he was right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I thought it was Brown. Brown missed one tackle.
Speaker 1: He got blocked on that one run. But I mean
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that, you know, it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: they were just a ripping them down the field. Ye,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think Jones helps out and Brown goes
Speaker 1: back in the slot and Jordan Lewis got beat a
Speaker 1: couple of times in there. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff they did, you know, a lot of it was
Speaker 1: just dump off stuff and they had to come up
Speaker 1: and rally to the ball. All right, Well that was
Speaker 1: a quick wrap up, huh. We rallied to the end
Speaker 1: of the show. A lot to talk about flew by quickly.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow to continue breaking down what you
Speaker 1: saw in week one. Maybe look ahead to the Redskins. Skins,
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys joining Which half do you want to
Speaker 1: look forward to? I've watched both so far. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say there's a lot first half. For the
Speaker 1: second half, there's a lot to unpack there as well.
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