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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get a couple of these emails. One

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Speaker 2: person emailed and said they believe Mathman is an omen

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Speaker 2: that appears when death is near, any indication that sometimes

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Speaker 2: unrelated things are happening behind the scenes of a citing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe when you're talking about this, there's certain tidbits that

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Speaker 2: come out that you recognize as patterns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the first thing I would love to say, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: is that when it comes to moth Man or any

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Speaker 3: kind of subject like this, there are no real experts, right,

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Speaker 3: so my opinion is just an opinion, and it doesn't

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Speaker 3: invalidate that of any of your listeners that are checking

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Speaker 3: out the show. So that being said, one of the

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Speaker 3: big things I wanted to challenge with the book, and

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Speaker 3: my co author did too, is the idea that Mothman

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Speaker 3: is a harbinger of doom and disaster, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of that comes down to the link with the Silver

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Speaker 3: Bridge collapse, which happened in Point Pleasant. You know claimed

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Speaker 3: I believe it was forty four or forty five lives

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Speaker 3: and was an absolute disaster that changed the way we

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Speaker 3: inspect and construct bridges in the United States ever since.

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Speaker 3: It was tragic, but the Mothman's sidings had actually ended

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Speaker 3: before the Silver Bridge collapse. However, if you saw the movie,

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Speaker 3: and if you read the books Mothman Prophecies and The

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Speaker 3: Silver Bridge by Gray Barker, they kind of tied the

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Speaker 3: idea in that Mothman was turning up as either a

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Speaker 3: warning or in some cases some people interpreted as Mothman

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Speaker 3: is to blame for that disaster. So I did when

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Speaker 3: I went to Point Pleasant, the first thing I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do was pay respects to the victims of that tragedy,

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Speaker 3: and the town has done a beautiful job in memorializing them.

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Speaker 3: And investigate this a little further. And again, primary sources

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Speaker 3: in the town told me that prior to the release

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Speaker 3: of those books, nobody in Point Pleasant tied the Mothman

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Speaker 3: sidings in with the bridge collapse. Nobody linked them. And

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Speaker 3: what I say, if it's controversial, then so be it.

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Speaker 3: But I believe that if you remove the Silver Bridge

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Speaker 3: a narrative that you really don't have an ending to.

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Speaker 4: The story is told in those books, and.

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Speaker 3: If you see the movie The Muffman Prophecies. Richard Geir

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Speaker 3: Laura Lenny. It's a great movie. However, the big action

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Speaker 3: scene in that movie is the bridge collapse scene. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's a very Hollywood thing.

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Speaker 4: I hate to say it.

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Speaker 3: In reality, there's no evidence to suggest that that Moffmon

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Speaker 3: sidings have anything to do with that particular disaster. What's

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Speaker 3: fascinating is there were Mothman's sidings connected with number one,

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Speaker 3: the Fukushima power station meltdown post tsunami in Japan, and

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Speaker 3: also that the Chernobyl or Blackbird sorry, a Blackbird of Chernobyl,

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Speaker 3: which was believed to be a Mothman's siding as well.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, it's a great story, right, but

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Speaker 3: when you into the Blackbird of Chernobyl, you realize that

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Speaker 3: every single mention of that post dates the movie release

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Speaker 3: of the monsh Okay, hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Let's something else you bring up there. So maybe it's

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Speaker 2: not a giant event around some of the different sightings.

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Speaker 2: But like we'll use Bigfoot for example, because you said

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Speaker 2: that's something you're researching at the moment. And I'm also

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Speaker 2: a friend in Australia who talks about the Yowie you know,

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Speaker 2: the Bigfoot stories in Australia. Yeah, and some of the

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Speaker 2: background stories is that when Bigfoot's around, the birds go quiets.

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Speaker 2: So are there any other of those type of things

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Speaker 2: that stand out to you when it comes to mothman

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Speaker 2: sighting something like well, you mentioned the feel of fear,

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Speaker 2: like the it predates that or predates the moment of

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Speaker 2: the sighting, the fear that people get. Are there any

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Speaker 2: natural things like birds going quiets when a moth man's around,

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Speaker 2: Not that.

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Speaker 3: I'm aware of, although that isn't to say that there

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Speaker 3: aren't any, but there are none that I identified as

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Speaker 3: part of my research stepping into the unnatural realm. Though

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Speaker 3: there is definitely a correlation between some of the mothman

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Speaker 3: mothman sidings and also one of the most infamous twenty

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Speaker 3: Before the Mothman sidings took place in West Virginia in

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Speaker 3: it's definitely an an unnatural link. I think with the

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Speaker 2: Would you say the most recent sighting is, did we

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Speaker 3: Of mouth men of month Man. Yeah, there have been

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Speaker 3: Those come in annually, repeatedly, multiple times from across the.

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Speaker 4: US and elsewhere. Okay, in fact, when sorry, I apologize.

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Speaker 3: When you up in the lines coast to coast listeners

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Speaker 3: are night owls, I'm willing to bet at least one

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Speaker 3: of them will have one that calls in.

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Speaker 2: I hope, So, I hope there's someone listening right now.

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that you mentioned

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Speaker 2: before is very important where they're afraid to tell the

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Speaker 2: it acceptable, or they might find it a little bit

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Speaker 2: too wacky. So out of the fear of them being

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Speaker 2: taken is not credible or crazy, they decide to keep

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Speaker 2: it to themselves. That's a whole different thing when we're

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Speaker 3: Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people listening here right now that

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Speaker 2: would love to hear your story if you saw something

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Speaker 2: like that. So we are going to take calls next hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping we can get a few. But going back

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Speaker 2: to the whole AI thing, is it difficult to look

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Speaker 2: at social media when you're researching this sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: When you're flooded with fake AI videos that people are creating,

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 3: An absolute nightmare. And that is true of being a

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Speaker 3: paranormal investigator or a journalist or writer in any aspect,

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Speaker 3: whether it's ghosts, UFOs, cryptids, or whatever. When I began

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Speaker 3: nostalgic here, Ryan, but somebody had a ghost photograph for me.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was great because I had a negative

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Speaker 3: would look at it and say, you know, this has

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Speaker 4: It's a double exposure, there's a fault on.

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Speaker 3: The film, or you know what I ideally wanted to

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Speaker 3: and people have been having a great time. Whenever there

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Speaker 3: I think in horrifically bad taste with nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: People have done it with ships hitting bridges. You know,

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Speaker 4: Harbinger of doom or a creature of evil.

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Speaker 3: And a simple Google reverse image search will dispel a

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Speaker 3: lot of these myths. Ride Away. They'll show you the

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Speaker 2: Have you visited Skinwalker Ranch.

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Speaker 3: I was very fortunate to go to Skinwalker Ranch. I

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Speaker 3: The gate escorted with permission by the staff from Skinwalker Ranch.

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Speaker 3: Heard some great stories there. And this was actually right

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Speaker 3: And I've heard so many stories about things happening to

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Speaker 2: Always Chicago, it seems like Chicago comes up a lot

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Speaker 2: things like Bigfoot or moth Man. We know that something

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Speaker 3: You are right on the money about Chicago and also

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Speaker 3: In fact, Brad Blair, Tim Allison, you should have them

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Speaker 3: it's I would say there are probably more sightings per

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Speaker 2: Did you mention Canada? Are their sightings there too?

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Speaker 3: Canada has sidings north of the border. Mexico has sidings

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Speaker 3: south of the border. Yeah, it's hard to find places

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Speaker 3: where there aren't wind humanoid sidings to some degree. Now

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Speaker 3: as you get to other continents, they are perhaps less

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Speaker 3: more documented, but they certainly do have them. And is

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Speaker 3: again hesitate to use the word mothman, but there are

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Speaker 3: enough similarities humanoid beings, winged scene flying through the air.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's more of an encompassing type of terminology that

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Speaker 2: kind of that umbrella description that people can get behind. Right,

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Speaker 2: It makes them a little bit easier to describe. It

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Speaker 2: would you just saying mothman, even though it might be

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Speaker 2: technically a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the reason I make that distinction is simply

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Speaker 3: because mothman is a kind of nineteen sixty six. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's where we the term originates. But then you go

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Speaker 3: and to this day, Van Meda has annually it's Van

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Speaker 3: not Mothman, it's Mothman adjacent, you know, And this predates

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Speaker 3: the Mothman's sidings by six decades, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in nineteen oh three. So you're investigating it

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Speaker 2: for the next thing, that Bigfoot, and I know there's

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Speaker 2: like Mothman. Do you think that there are what's I

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Speaker 2: still working on Bigfoot. But do you think there's stronger

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Speaker 3: Oh? I see, I think Bigfoot again if you're willing

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Speaker 3: I think is I'm glad you brought that up. I've

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Speaker 3: been writing about the Yowi for an upcoming book. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the characteristics are so similar to Bigfoot, right these you

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Speaker 4: It's hard to touch.

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Speaker 3: The Australian Outback in terms of sheer square footage, and

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Speaker 3: in Colorado in the Rockies, we have them up in Bailey.

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Speaker 3: In fact, there's a Sasquatch outpost up here that the

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Speaker 3: And those kind of museums are popping up in multiple states.

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Speaker 3: So I think probably the physical evidence is more compelling

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Speaker 3: for Bigfoot as opposed to Mothman. My fellow author Tobias

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Speaker 3: You know, you're you're not finding that kind of biological matter.

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Speaker 3: There's more stuff to actually be examined when it comes

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