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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 4: Big job there.

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Speaker 3: Could be.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: You're your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Oh do we have a big one today?

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Speaker 5: I'm taking my voice down an octave because maybe sometimes

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Speaker 5: people have it turned up in the car. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 5: turn myself down for a second so I can scream.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna turn my second Oh, do we have

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Speaker 5: a big one today? I mean, these paper view recaps

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Speaker 5: are always massive, but as I turn my game back

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Speaker 5: up a little bit, we have the White House Card,

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Speaker 5: UFC Freedom two fifty two dissectors.

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Speaker 4: Well, Ray Longo coming up bottom of the Screws.

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Speaker 5: Also scheduled to talk to the founder and CEO of

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Speaker 5: First Round Management, Malki Kawa in a quarter of an hour.

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Speaker 5: But give it everything that has transpired, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 4: If he blows us off today.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of fun things planned over the course

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Speaker 5: of the next ninety minutes or so.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 5: It is Monday, March ninth, twenty twenty six, Episode five,

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Speaker 4: How's the weekend? Any tactical shooting, any parenting? What are

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Speaker 4: the weekend hold for you?

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Speaker 3: All of the above, my friend, A lot of shooting,

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Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on in the Florin household.

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Speaker 3: A lot of us were sick. I'm kind of losing

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Speaker 3: my voice a little bit. Competed on Saturday. Didn't feel great,

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Speaker 3: but uh it was fun man, great weather over here

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Speaker 3: in the Carolinas, and got to see some great fights

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: All Right, so we're going to get into all of

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Speaker 4: this business. It's going to be home.

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Speaker 5: I've been gone for twenty eight of the last forty

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Speaker 5: six nights. I did have to go to Vegas early,

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Speaker 5: so I'm excited to be back in Connecticut, right here

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Speaker 5: on the border of New York.

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Speaker 4: Here in Byram and the sun is shining.

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Speaker 5: It's in the sixties. Most of the snow has melted.

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Speaker 5: We're very excited about all of that. All right, let

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Speaker 5: us get into all of today's news and information.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to headbuts.

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Speaker 1: Headlines.

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Speaker 6: It's time for headlines.

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Speaker 1: I have some very urgent and important breaking new headlines

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Speaker 1: on Kenny Sans Contast.

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Speaker 4: You know, try to listen to listeners. Notice, Boston Garden

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Speaker 4: Rap is back.

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Speaker 5: By the way, Cody, you can let that bleed a

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Speaker 5: little bit longer next week if you don't want you

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Speaker 5: notice that can flow Boston Garden Rap.

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Speaker 4: I maybe the exact.

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Speaker 5: Without consulting you, even though I love it. You owned

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Speaker 5: fifty one percent. All right, let us get into UFC

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Speaker 5: three twenty six, because I believe that to be the

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Speaker 5: lead story with respect to all the superstars who will

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Speaker 5: be showcased come June fourteenth. So relative to expectation, I

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Speaker 5: think Charles dubronx oli Era overachieved in the eyes of many.

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Speaker 5: martial arts fight, perhaps a lot of people should have

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Speaker 5: seen this coming. You know, Joe Rogan walks into the

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Speaker 5: this betting line is the way it is. You know,

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Speaker 5: It's like, maybe I don't know what I'm seeing, right,

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Speaker 5: But Charles Kenny was able to get the fight where

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Speaker 5: his legacy is complete. So it's almost as if this,

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Speaker 3: I look at Oliver and I say, you know, he's

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Speaker 3: I wasn't so confident in his wrestling. What won this

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Speaker 3: I thought it was absolutely brillian. He never really let

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Speaker 5: Charles Olivera realized success on the feet. He kicked a lot,

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Speaker 5: He did a lot of good things on the feet,

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Speaker 5: a kickboxing match, just a straight kickboxing match between Max

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Speaker 5: Holloway and Charles Olivera, this was clearly a path of

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Speaker 5: least resistance. Now, we asked Max Holloway in the Fighter

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Speaker 5: for Charles Olivera, and Robert Whitakers said that respectfully. But

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Speaker 5: I think in a straight kickboxing match, maybe he didn't

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Speaker 5: slash power, slash accuracy of the great Max Holloway, but

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Speaker 5: proven man, the former undisputed champion. I just think that

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Speaker 5: it and he should be hailed as such. What do

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Speaker 4: When it came to his defensive wrestling, I think a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of people would have got submitted by Charles Olivera because

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Speaker 3: they're not used to that level of pressure. They're not

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Speaker 3: I think that Halloway fights extremely well when it's a

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Speaker 3: so much that he was throwing at Holloway as he

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Speaker 3: he's not fighting to show these level of improvements. A

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Speaker 3: Olivera is out there to continually get better. Still with

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Speaker 3: he's changed and those around him, he's still getting better

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Speaker 4: We talk about it all the time. It's a great

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Speaker 5: Just hard work, the wrestling words, the jiu jitsu, maintenance,

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Speaker 5: and there's a lack of appreciation for what we saw,

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Speaker 5: and we'll get into that. For me, it's a little

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Speaker 5: bit off putting it. I didn't quite understand that being

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Again, this isn't a guy that is easily overwhelmed.

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Speaker 3: He has seen it all. He has faced the best

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Speaker 5: So the BMF Championship began with Nate Diez and Jorge

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Speaker 5: House card a little bit, right, But relative to expectation,

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Speaker 5: and it's not as though on the front end we say, hey,

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Speaker 5: you know, Charles Olivera has a decided grappling advantage, especially

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Speaker 4: Charles can't grapple.

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Speaker 5: So I think I am in the minority of mixed

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Speaker 5: the grappling. I don't ever want to take another jiu

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Speaker 5: after five classes. I don't particularly enjoy watching grappling without

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Speaker 5: respect to the PGF and all of these great grappling companies,

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Speaker 5: But Kenny, I love watching the application of grappling and

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Speaker 5: He is a bad motherfucker, and if this was in

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Speaker 5: I think when you have championship level contenders, right, I

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Speaker 4: See that's the thing.

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Speaker 5: It's up to Malki Kawa today to not perjure himself

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Speaker 5: right now, joining us live, right on time, the founder

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Speaker 5: Despite maybe some of the public perception, Malki Kaw is

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Speaker 4: It's great to know. I'm just perception, always.

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Speaker 7: With the bad public perception. Eight these.

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Speaker 5: Not talking to I get off the air, and I

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Speaker 8: I mean, you're talking about the belt that idiot owns,

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Speaker 8: when you about Nate and Mosital, you're thinking about bad motherfuckers,

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Speaker 7: You want a stylistic matchup where guys are just gonna bang.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, we'll have plenty more of that with

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Speaker 2: Are, and I'm in the middle free agency, by the way,

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Speaker 5: No, we're not going to keep you more than eight

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Speaker 8: But since well, I'll tell you listen, I won't perjure

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Speaker 8: we agreed to everything, to all the terms on that

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Speaker 7: It was it was just it was just wild how

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Speaker 8: Because for me personally, right we were told that Ilia

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Speaker 8: fell apart, so then they moved on to other stuff. Now,

434
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 8: one thing I will say, though, is I do believe

435
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 8: when I got that call on Wednesday, they were talking

436
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 8: to everybody. So that's why when he says nobody, you know,

437
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 8: these guys weren't supposed to be on the card, I

438
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 8: believe that because even the way it was said.

439
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 7: To me, who do you want to fight? Like who?

440
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 8: You guys can fight this guy? You guys could fight

441
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 8: that guy. The money that was offered was like small

442
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 8: in comparison to what we had already said. We wanted

443
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 8: to fight those guys from from before You're gonna do

444
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 8: These are conversations yea forever, right, And so whether it

445
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 8: was a white house called or International Fight Week or

446
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 8: it's next week, it doesn't matter. It was more about

447
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 8: getting the numbers. And when the numbers came, it was

448
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 8: like all right. It was more like, if this fight

449
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 8: could happen, here's the numbers that are you guys down

450
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 8: for and we're like not at those numbers.

451
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 7: So there was no fight.

452
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 8: And then I had the oblation and then boom, here

453
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 8: we are and that's why the whole thing is crazy.

454
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 8: And then I was up all night, you know what

455
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 8: I'm saying, putting that fight together and making sure that

456
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 8: that fight got done, and literally at eleven thirty at night,

457
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 8: I think the final terms were agreed to, because you

458
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 8: know how it goes. It's like everybody takes and then gives,

459
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 8: takes and gives, and it was out of back and

460
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 8: forth and that's kind of how that came about.

461
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: So did you think that that worked to your advantage

462
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: a bit, Malkie for it to kind of come into

463
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: fruition this late in the game.

464
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, because ultimately, you know, here's the other thing.

465
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 8: This is this is how much like you can tell

466
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 8: like all right, So again to accurately give the whole thing,

467
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 8: I specifically called Hunter and said, do you guys plan

468
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 8: on using Ilia for this fight at all in any way,

469
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 8: shape or form.

470
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 7: If the answer is no, he's going back to Spain.

471
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 8: If he goes back to Spain, right, and he and

472
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 8: you guys call in a month or through six weeks

473
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 8: or whatever for him to fight. You know how that's

474
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 8: gonna go. It's not gonna be a simple negotiation like, oh,

475
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 8: here you go. It's gonna be way more constantly. It's

476
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 8: gonna be way more.

477
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 7: You know, it's unefficient.

478
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 8: Then at that point, because he's gotta he's gonna he's

479
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 8: coming to the US. So as he comes to the US, right,

480
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 8: he's gonna set based off his camp here all that

481
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 8: other stuff.

482
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 7: It's not the same stuff anymore.

483
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 8: So we need to know what time is right, And

484
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 8: he said he and he flat out said when we

485
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 8: have no no, no intention of putting him on the card.

486
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 8: Then I got to call on Wednesday and said, hey,

487
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 8: if we can make these fights happened, are you interested, Yes,

488
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 8: we're interested, Yes, we do it. We're we're talking. And

489
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 8: then all right, we're not interested in that. So they

490
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 8: kind of moved away. We didn't talk for two three days.

491
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 8: But then you know, Kenny, this is how it goes.

492
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 7: Man.

493
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 8: If you don't have a deal in place, and then

494
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 8: you're talking about you're gonna announce something Saturday, and the

495
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 8: announcement is related to our negotiation.

496
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 7: Absolutely. I think we the advantage was.

497
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 8: I mean, look, here's the one thing I think that

498
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 8: people are not getting from the Dana conversation last night.

499
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 8: They had talked to a lot of people. I think

500
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 8: they had a lot of fights set and ready to go. Right,

501
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 8: I don't know who fight fell apart. I can't call

502
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 8: it Islam. Islam is injured, right, So that fight wasn't

503
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 8: something that was a done deal and then it fell apart.

504
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 8: So Geichee stepped in. It was one of those like, hey,

505
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 8: if we can make Islam fight, do you want to

506
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 8: do that?

507
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: All right?

508
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 7: If not, you guys can do Gei Chee.

509
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 8: Right, we had our choice, and we said yes to Islam,

510
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 8: and we said yes to Gai Chee. It was just

511
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 8: more about the numbers and the financials. So the point

512
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 8: I'm making you guys is right in any type of

513
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 8: when you talk about leverage, if somebody really needs something

514
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 8: and you get you know, pushed up against the wall

515
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 8: at midnight, yeah, it's probably in your advantage because if

516
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 8: at that point, if you're not doing the deal with John,

517
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 8: and if Kayla can't fight, and what do you call

518
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 8: Amanda Camp fight, and if Islam camp fight, and if

519
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 8: Connor ain't fighting, then who else are you guys talking about?

520
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

521
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 8: So I think that at that point, you know what

522
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 8: I mean, it obviously worked out to our favorite if

523
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 8: that makes sense.

524
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: I got one quick yes or no question because I'm curious.

525
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 3: I think it's the biggest fight you could make. It's

526
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: the highest level fight between what I think are the

527
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: two biggest names in the sport Elliot Topoorian Islam Mahaschef.

528
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: You were just talking about it. Do you think this

529
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: is a fight that can be put together eventually?

530
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, And let me give you more on

531
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 8: top of the yes, we want that fight. We've asked

532
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 8: for that fight's two times already. We've asked for that

533
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 8: fight and it's and it's and I thought we were

534
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 8: gonna get it now. So it's a fight that we

535
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 8: definitely want to make. You guys have to understand to

536
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 8: Poia to Pouria mentality. So when you're when you're around

537
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 8: sports in general, I just want you guys to understand

538
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 8: there's there's guys that we hear about mentality wise. You

539
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 8: think of Kobe, you think of Jordan right, you think

540
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 8: of Bones because his mentality when it comes to the

541
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 8: fight game, it's it's unparalleled. Right, Illly is in that conversation,

542
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 8: he's in that box with those guys like he does

543
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 8: not see anyone, he doesn't care for him. It's like

544
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 8: there's blinders on. I'm gonna go down as the greatest

545
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 8: of all time. He tells me all the time. I

546
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 8: know you represent Bones, I know you love Bones. I

547
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 8: know Bones are the greatest of all tip. He tells

548
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 8: me this all the time. Right, he goes, but when

549
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 8: I'm done, I will be better than John. And so

550
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 8: of course I sit there and I say, bro, I hope.

551
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 8: So you know what I'm saying.

552
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 7: I listen, why not?

553
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 8: Like you always want the younger generation to come and

554
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 8: do better than the older one. Right, But the truth

555
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 8: is that he's on a mission. And so if if

556
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 8: to be considered the first three division champ, yeah, true

557
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 8: division champ, right, because I know that Alex has a

558
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 8: shot to be to do that, but it's an interim belt.

559
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 8: If he can do that and be the first legit

560
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 8: three division champ and be a try champ, right, and

561
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 8: go into that world like that, you're talking about a

562
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 8: stratus and by the way, look at his fighting style

563
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 8: and look at what he's doing. And I think, like

564
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 8: you know, when people try to compare him to Connor

565
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 8: a lot of ways, because Connor's European, and Connor took

566
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 8: the world by storm, and Connor brought a brash style

567
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 8: of fighting, but Connor was very deficient in certain parts

568
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 8: of his game.

569
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 7: This kid's a fighter, you know what I mean.

570
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 8: And he's got his own swagger in his own style,

571
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 8: and so he can be a guy that legitimately takes

572
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 8: that spot and becomes not just like the most popular fighter,

573
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 8: but also potentially the greatest fighter vault. And I think

574
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 8: it goes to being a guy like Islam if I'm

575
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 8: being honest.

576
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Malki Kywa with us here on the Ankin flor

577
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 5: In podcast, So yeah, and Islami Kasha probably his days

578
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 5: at lightweight or done right. And for you guys, obviously

579
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: that fight financially and legacy wise makes more sense at

580
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 5: seventy So yeah, right, yeah.

581
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, So no, we want to we want to go

582
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 7: get the third belt.

583
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 8: I mean, but again, if the only way to do

584
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 8: it was him to come down to fifty five, right,

585
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 8: I mean, no one.

586
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: To say that either, let me just have two more

587
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 4: questions real quick.

588
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 5: So Ilio Topodia minus four fifty five justin Gaechie plus

589
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: three fifty. You know that the Islamikasha price would be

590
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 5: a lot closer. The division with Islam and Ilia would

591
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: have something to do with the betting line, but certain

592
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 5: on paper this would suggest that this is, you know,

593
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: not the Makasha challenge.

594
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on the gay Chie fight that's

595
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: in front of you, guys.

596
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 7: I think anybody sleeping on gay Chee is retarded. Gaichee.

597
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 8: You know, he's a dog man, and at the end

598
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 8: of the day, you can't measure a dog by wins

599
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 8: and losses. And you can't measure dogs, you know what

600
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 8: I mean, by by damage they take or damage they give.

601
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 7: You just got to know that when you're in that fight.

602
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 8: You know, listen, I think we're all expecting, right, I

603
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 8: think everybody expects a clean first round knockout from from Eli.

604
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 7: Right, he's showing that he's got the power in his hands.

605
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 8: But I'm watching this guy take shots that most guys

606
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 8: shouldn't take, and you know what I'm saying, he's absorbing them.

607
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 8: So I got a lot of respect for Justin Gaichie.

608
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 8: I think Justin Gaichie is a very fun fighter, very

609
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 8: terrific fighter. But more importantly, whether you like the skill

610
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 8: set or not, the one thing that I don't think

611
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 8: anyone disagrees with is that he's a dog. And so

612
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, right when you go

613
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 8: into a fight with Justin Gaichie, if you're not prepared,

614
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 8: if you're not sitting there really really trying to fucking

615
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 8: like beat this guy. And excuse my language on your

616
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 8: podcast like that, but to really beat this dude, you're

617
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 8: just you're you're you're really.

618
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 7: Asking for trump.

619
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, But.

620
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 8: The point is that I actually respect him a lot,

621
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 8: and I think that Geechee is a hell of a fighter,

622
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 8: and if anyone takes that guy lightly, he'll end up winning.

623
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 8: I just that's just gets a winner. You can't you

624
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 8: can't take anything away from that guy.

625
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: He's a dog, my man, So are you?

626
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: I wish.

627
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

628
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: I can't hear you.

629
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 4: I can't hear me anymore. I was almost wish him

630
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: the best with his health. That's what I was gonna do,

631
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: is wish him the best with his health.

632
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 5: Dirty boxing also has a show coming up in uh

633
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: in Miami, but uh yeah, a lot that we're going

634
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: to unpack on the back side of this, and long

635
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 5: Goo is gonna have buckets of stuff to say as well.

636
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 5: Hopefully that isn't the parting shot with Malki, so we

637
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 5: can at least wish him all the best with the

638
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: ablationion and everything else. That's crazy to think about that

639
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 5: negotiation and maybe the extent to which the Islam Kashe

640
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 5: fight was on the table. And you know, I do

641
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: think Dan is right in some respect. It's neither here

642
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: nor there. But could you imagine, right? See, the thing

643
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: is is a lot of the fans were expectant that

644
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: you were going to get the Topodia Gache fighters the

645
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 5: main event. So could you imagine if we flash a

646
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: graphic and it's Islami Kasha you know? So Hey, I

647
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: just wanted to say before we let you go, we

648
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 5: wish you the best with your health.

649
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: Man, you're a warrior.

650
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 5: I know you're We'll be thinking about you and Dirty

651
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Speaker 5: Boxing now license in Pennsylvania. But the next show is

652
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Speaker 5: in the friendly confines of the Hangar in Miami coming

653
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Speaker 5: up in April.

654
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Speaker 4: Not the Hanger not the Hanger.

655
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Speaker 7: It's gonna be at the Jackie Gleason Center.

656
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Speaker 8: It's it's I think if I'm not just taking attached

657
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Speaker 8: to the final hotel when the UFC comes right, and

658
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Speaker 8: then stay tuned because I got another White House update that.

659
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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting, you're doing a dirty boxing show in DC.

660
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Speaker 7: Boom.

661
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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 8: I don't know who told you we're gonna do a

663
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Speaker 8: dirty We're gonna do a dirty boxing show in d

664
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Speaker 8: C the night before the UFC up there too, So

665
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Speaker 8: we're doing one in you guys are coming to the

666
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Speaker 8: UFC is coming up, so we're doing the DBX show

667
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 8: the night before, and then we're probably gonna take the

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Speaker 8: show on the road and do the White It's not,

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Speaker 8: you know, one hundred percent done yet, but that's the

670
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Speaker 8: intention is for us to do a DBX show the

671
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Speaker 8: night before in d C. And from what I'm hearing,

672
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Speaker 8: I'm probably gonna have some dignitaries come to our event.

673
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 8: So it's gonna be pretty pretty cool to have you know,

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Speaker 8: some some chiefs of staff and stuff like that, you know,

675
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Speaker 8: show up to the UH, to the to the operation.

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Speaker 8: You know, DBX is a whole different and you know

677
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Speaker 8: what to me honestly, Kenny, I don't know about two body,

678
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 8: but I feel like I have the best.

679
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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, cage side announcer in the game.

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Speaker 2: There, Bro.

681
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: The best, the best.

682
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Speaker 8: It's not saying also, you know what I'm saying, you guys,

683
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Speaker 8: take it for what it is.

684
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Speaker 7: I don't want to create no problem amongst the twins, but.

685
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Speaker 5: Homebows now, Jason is definitely more handsome, and I will

686
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Speaker 5: tell you coming after him, so you better better lock

687
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Speaker 5: the guy down and pay the man. But hey, you're

688
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 5: the man, and honestly, do some yoga, take care of

689
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 5: your health. I know it's a crazy few months, NFL Draft,

690
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: free agency, all of that, but uh, thank you for

691
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Speaker 5: coming on.

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00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 7: No, absolutely, guys, it's always a pleasure. Man, Bro appreciate

693
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Speaker 7: you guys.

694
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Speaker 5: Take care of managements. Founder and CEO Malki Cowell also

695
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Speaker 5: CEO and founder. I would imagine be the titles for

696
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Speaker 5: Dirty Boxing if you don't know, Yes, my brother Jason

697
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Speaker 5: is a cage shot commentator or a ringside commentator for

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Speaker 5: Dirty Boxing.

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Speaker 4: Uh, but I don't. Jay's not not on my level.

700
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: He's on the level.

701
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Speaker 5: He's on the level Jason and will actually be joining

702
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Speaker 5: us here shortly. I don't know if you're listening, but

703
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 5: UH wanted that sound by too. At least be out

704
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Speaker 5: there all right, Tom got to star the show.

705
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Speaker 4: Let's get to Raymond.

706
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Speaker 5: Peter Longo's now time for the Ray Long Minute.

707
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Speaker 6: To push a hole in this.

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Speaker 1: The Ray Long Minute, the John Annik and Kenny Florian Podcast.

709
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Speaker 2: Oh and they are.

710
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: He's like savings.

711
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Speaker 2: Oh man, that fucking killed me. Ha I do it.

712
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: I tell you because I went out that night and

713
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: then I came back and tried to binge watch the

714
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: fights and as Sunday was nonexistent.

715
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you sounded like he was never late.

716
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: In the gym in like twenty years. Like really, wow,

717
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: this guy man brutal, brutal, brutal.

718
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Speaker 5: Well, it's great to have you with us. What a weekend,

719
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: a lot of UFC headlines. So we got new rules.

720
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Speaker 5: The BMF title has to be striking only have you

721
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Speaker 5: heard no?

722
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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you if that's not the rules, Dana

723
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: will never do another one. I guarantee you you don't

724
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Speaker 2: hear that BMF title mentioned for a long time.

725
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Speaker 5: I don't think Dana is nearly as put off as

726
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Speaker 5: some other people with what we saw on Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: I think you're a little off on that.

728
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think you're off. How's that?

729
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Speaker 4: That's great?

730
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Speaker 2: Yeah, order John, you can't handle the truth, that's the problem.

731
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

732
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Speaker 4: I mean we've seen Dana a lot.

733
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me put off after that.

734
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Speaker 4: Let me say after the fight that wait.

735
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, mister company man, if that was

736
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: that was, If that was if that was armand Serouki

737
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Speaker 2: and instead of Charles olivera, what would Dana have said?

738
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: He would have been the same. What would you have said?

739
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: It is crazy to me, as someone who came from boxing,

740
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 5: right that like I I forget my role with the company, Kenny,

741
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: that I'm sort of some grappling apologist and defender. I

742
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 5: am being truthful to my word, right, I'm a manifast.

743
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Speaker 5: I swear to God when I'm watching Charles. Maybe because

744
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: I'm on the base of the octagon, does my call

745
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 5: not reflect that I'm captivated.

746
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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that for the company.

747
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: John, But I'm saying, listen, those guys got one thing

748
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: that they had going from. Dana likes both of them,

749
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: so he's not gonna say nothing. He likes those guys.

750
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Speaker 5: What is Charles supposed to do with a Max Holloway

751
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 5: matchup standing bang because.

752
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: No, no, you started. The premise was about that. It

753
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: was like a grappling match. They could have did real

754
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: American wrestling, a freestyle whatever they called it. It would

755
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: have been would have been fantastic.

756
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: But did it surprise you?

757
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Speaker 2: Right?

758
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Speaker 3: Because listen, there's sometimes where you know, they put fights

759
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: together not a whole lot, and you're like, it's kind

760
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: of a head scratch. You're like, that's not gonna be

761
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: a good fight.

762
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Speaker 4: Like just the way they match this one, it looked

763
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Speaker 4: like they were.

764
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Speaker 3: This was a perfect BMF belt fight in my opinion,

765
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Speaker 3: because I didn't think that Olivera's takedowns were at that level.

766
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be forced to strike

767
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: with Holloway.

768
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Speaker 2: And did that surprise you? Yes? And I think what

769
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: part of the surprise is when you hit a BMF title,

770
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: you just figure it's like two guys rowing down. Yeah,

771
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: there'll be some wrestling, but you know that was uh, look,

772
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: you guys did what he had to do. There's no

773
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: see we're getting into a weird thing, Kenny, because it's fighting.

774
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: So we love, you know, we love all aspects of fighting.

775
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: But the truth is that they want They've been very

776
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: vocal this year about the entertainment paramount. You gotta go

777
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: out there and do canet. They I think Brendan Fitzgerald's

778
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: come out and said it. Uh for some strange reason,

779
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Sanko's come out and said it. So you know what

780
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what they're pushing. So when you see that,

781
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: it's more like see to me, I don't look. I

782
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: look as a great fight, but you know, my brain

783
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: has to go. It's just hypocrisy. You know. They won't

784
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: let pooh me in the in the in the in

785
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: the organization because he's boring. But what if we had

786
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: to watch five of those fights in a row. Who

787
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: I've been excited about I'm watching.

788
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 5: I'm taking in everything that you're saying, and you have

789
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: far more wisdom than me. And oh, you know, but

790
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 5: I'm watching a plus one sixty five underdog right to me,

791
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 5: the tension and stakes of a high level mixed martial

792
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: arts contests, right, you never know how a quote unquote

793
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: b m F fight is going to play out in

794
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 5: this crazy, unpredictable MMA space.

795
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: But Kenny Us, the plus one sixty.

796
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 5: Five underdog, right have to get every takedown right yep,

797
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 5: And I'm wow, you know, guess that.

798
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: And then just the manipulation on the ground. I don't know.

799
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 5: I just think this is mixed martial arts. I'm not

800
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 5: trying to toe any company line.

801
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 3: Listen, I agree, I listen. The rules don't change because

802
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: it's a BMF belt, and I think that, you know,

803
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: it's a sport at the end of the day. You know,

804
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: this last Super Bowl people were complaining about it. You know,

805
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: for whatever, you don't have control over sports as much

806
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: as you know, people have certain you know, conspiracy theories

807
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: about this and that. You know, you don't have that

808
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: level of control. And sometimes fights aren't gonna play out

809
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: the way that you want it, you know, and that

810
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: fight could have easily, you know, happened. Someone goes out there,

811
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: checks a kick and they break their leg. Right, We've

812
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: seen that before. So crazy shit happens in sports in general.

813
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: I think crazier things happen even more in mixed martial arts.

814
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: And you know, it's extremely unpredictable, and you know, I

815
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: don't think you could fault the matchmaking. I thought the

816
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: matchmaking was spot on here. It just didn't play out

817
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: the way I think most people expected.

818
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you that the difference to Kenny

819
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: is that, like when there's a huge discrepancy and stand up,

820
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: the guy normally gets knocked out or the fight just

821
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: gets stopped. But with grappling, that's like when there's a

822
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: huge discrepancy, it just becomes more of a controlling type

823
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: of game, you know what I mean, Like he could

824
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: have put you know, well, he was striking a little bit.

825
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: I mean looked he was trying it. It's a good fight.

826
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: It's a tactically excellent fight. I don't know, you know,

827
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: but is that what the fans want to see? That's

828
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: that's the only different I'm not here to say I

829
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: love the fight. I love all aspects of fighting. People

830
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: get it wrong. We're just shooting the ship on the BMF.

831
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: Thing threw me off because somewhere my brain goes to

832
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a different type of fight. That's where

833
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: I made the mistake in my head. If it was

834
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: a normal fight, I think maybe we could have broken

835
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: it down differently. But uh, this that that's what threw

836
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: me is more as you expect more, I think because

837
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: it had that title on it. But you know that's

838
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: that's the way to go. Man. The guy guy did

839
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: exactly what he should have did.

840
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: And I think the problem Ray is that like it,

841
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: if we do have certain expectations for a BMF fight,

842
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: then you know, how about we just say, okay, you

843
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 3: know what, for the BMF fight, you can't take him down,

844
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: and now it's a different sport altogether.

845
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: Right, you know it's tough.

847
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: It's a rough one hundred. But you know, the narrative

848
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: they want to push is action action action, Sure, you know,

849
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: but my point is when you don't get it, no

850
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: matter who the guy is, just be square about it

851
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: and say that's not what I'm looking for in this organization.

852
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Because that's that's not what

853
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: they're looking for. They've made that value very clear, very clear.

854
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

855
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 5: You know, Max hollyw would tell you that he was

856
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: looking to win the undisputed UFC Lightweight Championship and that's

857
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: why he's disappointed, right as he defends this belt as

858
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: the baddest motherfucker you know. And I'm writing my pay

859
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 5: per view open, my numbered event open for this show,

860
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 5: and I'm even thinking like how exactly do I attack this.

861
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 5: I've done it before, but with Nate Diaz and Jorge Mosfital,

862
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: you're writing a BMF open, but here I'm writing a

863
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 5: BMF open.

864
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 7: Right.

865
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 5: We're on CBS, right, and the belt says baddest motherfucker

866
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: on it, which I can't say. And we have two

867
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 5: former undisputed champions in all time greats competing for this prize.

868
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: So I just think we shouldn't have been surprised.

869
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 5: There was a high level mixed martial arts fight and

870
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 5: that Charles took it where he needed to, and uh, yeah,

871
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 5: I guess for me, I just really enjoy watching that

872
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 5: type of domination. Ray Do you have the ESPN application

873
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 5: going on your phone? Is there a way to mute

874
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 5: that thing?

875
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: And I'm the ass, I'm the bad Oh yeah, yeah,

876
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: I could barely hear it myself. You're in freaking Connecticut.

877
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: You could hear it.

878
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: Turn the phone off?

879
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on a second.

880
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll wait for you to mute the phone. I

881
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: should read acial.

882
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: You know, I was actually gonna would you be upset

883
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 5: if I read a commercial in the middle of the

884
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 5: Ray Longo minute?

885
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: I would know you couldn't upset me if you wanted.

886
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 6: All right, it's good to know.

887
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 5: It's good for me to know that if I mismanaged

888
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 5: the clock a little bit, that you're okay if I

889
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: have to read a commercial.

890
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: What do you making have to be a prima donna?

891
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: What's the matter with you? Oh?

892
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: Wait till you hear my? Would you rather? We may

893
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 4: not get there though, because we have a lot to digest,

894
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: a lot we got.

895
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 5: We got a lot to go through, all right, So

896
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: I wish I'm getting a table Raoul Rosace Junior for

897
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 5: a second, But please let me get to him before

898
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: I get you out of here. UFC Freedom two fifty Sunday,

899
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 5: June fourteenth on the White House Lawn, Iliot Tolpotia, Justin Gaigie,

900
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 5: Alex Padata versus Seagle Gone. We announced the entire fight card,

901
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 5: and certainly when you're putting together an m M A

902
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 5: fight card, there are a lot of different variables and

903
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 5: injuries and things that come into play. So what were

904
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 5: your thoughts when you saw us reveal that fight card

905
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 5: on live television Saturday night?

906
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: Raymond? Uh, would you rather talk about Raoul Rosace Junior?

907
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited for a couple of fights.

908
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: That that was my thoughts.

909
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: That would be cool look at I mean, I think

910
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: my first thought is I won't be there.

911
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 7: But.

912
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 5: Oh, because none of your guys are fighting on that.

913
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: I think that was my Kyodoyann had back surgery. Where

914
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: did you think Aljoe might get a fight and potentially.

915
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: That I didn't think, trust me, maybe they pulled up

916
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: so you.

917
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: Were just thinking selfishly. You saw us reveal the fight total.

918
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: Selfishly.

919
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: Maybe you could come and Jason and his place as

920
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 5: my assistant. Go ahead, Kenny, there you go, right.

921
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you, what what are the fights

922
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: that are getting your juice is flowing?

923
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: Or are? But yeah, you're like, Kenny, I think you know,

924
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: I think the last couple of weeks, I've been sliding

925
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: a little bit like this. This week I went out,

926
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: I didn't even watch the fights and like again, which

927
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: is I don't think I've done that. I swear to

928
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: God fifteen years. Well, I don't know. So there's something

929
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm feeling that I don't know. It just I just

930
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: think they're mailing some of the ship in. They're not

931
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: putting the old you know, they're old umph into it

932
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: that they used to have. So uh yeah, So I

933
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: look at the the Poria fight obviously is going to

934
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: be a great fight. In the Peririe fight. I think

935
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: those first two fights are really really.

936
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: Cool, good the other you're excited about.

937
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: Those, I'm excited about them, all right.

938
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 5: He just wishes he wasn't going to be there, Kenny,

939
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: I want to get your thoughts on one particular line

940
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: item when it comes to the White House Show. And

941
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 5: these are some hard conversations, right, and certainly this fight

942
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 5: card was built as.

943
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: That it was going to be the.

944
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 5: Best card in UFC history, right, And certainly I feel

945
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 5: like my words on the Jackson podcast were a little

946
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 5: bit framed and sensationalized. I was merely saying that with

947
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 5: all of these undisputed champions not competing, if you wanted

948
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 5: to lay out a card that put UFC two to seventeen,

949
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 5: in UFC three hundred to shame, you could have those champions,

950
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 5: right because islamikashev At Alex Paada at the time was

951
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 5: the light heavyweight champion at Ilya to Putty, all these.

952
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 4: Guys were seemingly going to be available. Maybe Kayla would

953
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: be back, right.

954
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 5: It was about availability and really trying to put on

955
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: paper the baddest fight card in UFC history, which UFC

956
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 5: Freedom two fifty is not now it's great. Alex paata

957
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 5: Ilya Toputia are the two biggest names in the sport

958
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: and they are competing. So we're gonna get into all

959
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 5: of this. But Kenny, would this not have been the

960
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 5: time with respect to teams a hobby of which you

961
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: were apart to say to Shant O'Malley, hey man, this

962
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 5: is the White House lawn the fans of why did

963
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 5: you have to fight Corey Sanhagen for half a decade?

964
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 5: That's the guy you're fighting.

965
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: Gosh, so forza hobby instead of fighting O'Malley to fight

966
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: Sanagan or I'm saying.

967
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 5: Trying to you know, yeah to you know, instead of

968
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 5: Sean being you know, a three to one, three and

969
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: a half to one favorite, maybe you have him be

970
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: an underdog, right, you know what I mean? Like I

971
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 5: don't know I'm saying, And dude, you know how much

972
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 5: love I have for us? And Amon has the winning streak.

973
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: My point is that if Amon's a hobby, Kyle Dakas,

974
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 5: Steve Garcia, if one.

975
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: Of them wins, then this is all worthwhile. But one

976
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: of those guys has to win. This can't all be shocked.

977
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 5: This can't be Topouria closing minus seven hundred, you know,

978
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 5: I mean, pata Gon's incredible, But a lot of these

979
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 5: fights have big betting favorites.

980
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and listen, I think that it's a tough

981
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: matchup for AIM and if I'm being honest, I think

982
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: that Amen is as game as they come. And you know,

983
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: but I think this isn't how I think it's going

984
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: to go. But with a card being in the White

985
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: House in front of President Trump, I would think that

986
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: they're gonna want some American fighters to do well. Now,

987
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: I again, I don't know if that's the case, that

988
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 3: that's where they're seeing it, but you know, perhaps that

989
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: some of the matchups are made that way for that reason.

990
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

991
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: With a mustache by the way, Yeah that's true, that

992
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 4: is true, But you know, I don't know, I hear you.

993
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: So that's.

994
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: How does that theory? How does that theory work with

995
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: Chandler and Rufie.

996
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

997
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 5: Hoofy don't like four men, which suggests that Hoofy beats

998
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 5: Chandler four out of five times.

999
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right, So but can I just ray, can

1000
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: I just Bonett?

1001
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead? No, God, I would just say so, I'll

1002
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: be I believe has a better chance of winning that

1003
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: fight than Chandler.

1004
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 6: I agree, Yeah, how that fight?

1005
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: I know, I wouldn't I think for I see Hobby,

1006
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 2: wouldn't that fight if he wants to? Yeah?

1007
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 5: No, I love for Ross and aim and is plus

1008
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: two seventy five and Chandler's plus three twenty. So yes,

1009
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: the odds suggests he does have a better chance. But

1010
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 5: I want to spin this both back to you guys. Right,

1011
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: So bo Nickel was ubiquitously regarded as a lock for

1012
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 5: this fight card, and just hear me out for a second.

1013
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 5: I don't know how ready Bonnickel is for Robert Whittaker.

1014
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker is moving up to light heavyweight depending on

1015
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 5: what you hear, or staying at middleweight. I don't know, right,

1016
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: but just imagine for a fucking second, right, if we

1017
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 5: announced bow.

1018
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: Nickel versus Robert Whitaker. Fans are going nuts, right.

1019
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 5: Some are being like, oh my god, dudeon Nichols already

1020
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: for Robert Whitaker, even though the bending line would probably

1021
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 5: be closer than you think. But I'm just saying, right, like,

1022
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 5: I love Kyle Dawcas. Kyle Dawcas is a live underdog.

1023
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 5: He has a great submission game, He's great off his back.

1024
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 5: There are a lot of entanglements to that fight in

1025
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 5: that matchup for Bo. But if you're trying to blow

1026
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 5: the doors off the place, you go, Bo Nickel Robert Whittaker.

1027
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: Silence, Yeah, oh yeah, no, Jo know are you talking

1028
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: to me?

1029
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: That was?

1030
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: Uh?

1031
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 2: Look, first off, I love Kyle Dorcas and his brother.

1032
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: I watched those guys get out of the UFC. Do

1033
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: just see them on the the regional circuit grinding their

1034
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: way back in? So I couldn't be happy for the guy.

1035
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: Do I understand that fight? O Nickel against Kyle? Now

1036
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: I have no clue as to that, but uh, they

1037
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: definitely what's what's the odds on that fight?

1038
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 5: So Kyle Doccas's plus two twenty five Bo Nickel is

1039
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 5: minus two seventy eight Kenny. Uh, I think Kyle Doccas

1040
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 5: is going to present a really unique challenge. I just

1041
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 5: sort of felt as though, uh, maybe Bo Nicol was

1042
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 5: going to get a ranked guy or they were going

1043
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: to try to really do something a little bit more

1044
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 5: special with Bo. And even if Colby Covington was rumored

1045
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 5: and turned it down. I just felt like, you know,

1046
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 5: I mean, but hey, I'm not saying Kyle can't win,

1047
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 5: but he's probably number forty five in a world right now.

1048
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's toughless a couple things. I think that Bo

1049
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: Nickel is still a developing fighter. He's still relatively new

1050
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: in his mixed martial arts career, still has a lot

1051
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: to learn, and I'm sure he's still, you know, looking

1052
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: to get more comfortable in certain aspects his striking. In particular,

1053
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: that fight against right near de Ritter was not too

1054
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: long ago, and I think Kyle Dacas could potentially present

1055
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: some similar problems. Tall lanky striker, good knees, you know,

1056
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: could be good in the clinch, good on the ground

1057
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: as well, So that's gonna be tricky. And the other thing,

1058
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: John and you kind of mentioned, it's like guys get

1059
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: injured all the time. You know, what started out as

1060
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: a particular fight could change so quickly due to injuries

1061
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: or contract negotiations or whatever it is. So you know,

1062
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: it's this It is not easy putting a fight together either,

1063
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: you know. In the UFC's defense, it's just there's so

1064
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: much that goes on back and forth. But you know,

1065
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a tremendous opportunity for Kyle Dacas. I

1066
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: love this opportunity for the Hobby to beat O'Malley on

1067
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: this kind of a card would be massive for him,

1068
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: potentially lead to a title shot in the not too

1069
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: distant future. So this is as good as it gets

1070
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: for for any fighter who's on this card.

1071
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. That's a that's a huge

1072
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: opportunity for sure.

1073
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 5: I want to talk to you guys about Alex Padeda

1074
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 5: and sele Gone because I think that's probably the reason

1075
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 5: that fans are most excited. And just for the record,

1076
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 5: you know, it's like, I'm not trying to lose my job.

1077
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 5: But the company guy Ray comes on here and celebrates

1078
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 5: aimons a Hobby, Kyle Dacas, Steve Garcia, all these guys

1079
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 5: getting the opportunity on the White House the Company. That

1080
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: guy doesn't come on here talking about forcing O'Malley's hand

1081
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 5: to fight Corey Sandheigan.

1082
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1083
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to in some respects seriously, you know,

1084
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 5: tell it like it is and when it comes to right,

1085
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 5: he fucking head kicked a Dolpho Villeda in New York.

1086
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: He fought right near Torin or almost a year ago. Like,

1087
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 5: I just think eventually bo Nicol is not going to

1088
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 5: be fighting the Cody Brundages of the world. And you

1089
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 5: know it's time to spin this thing forward and let's

1090
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 5: see how he handles Takas.

1091
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: Go ahead, right, what you're sensitive about the company a contempt,

1092
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: Get a tampon. You're telling me just yourself and get

1093
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: back in the conversation.

1094
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 4: You're furthering a narrative that I'm sort of chill, right.

1095
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I am making a having fun with having fun.

1096
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: This is a lightness about this conversation.

1097
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 4: No, I think I'm just passing it right.

1098
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: About the card and uh, I found out just moments

1099
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 5: before we went out there, right. Uh but dude, Alex

1100
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 5: Panada versus seaedle Gone is incredible right now, Alex Panada

1101
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: on DraftKings Sports Book minus one thirty seedle Gone is

1102
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 5: the plus one hundred underdog.

1103
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: Ray, I have no idea who wins that fight.

1104
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 5: The interim heavyweight titles on the line, though, and that's

1105
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 5: really I think the highlight of the card for a

1106
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 5: lot of people.

1107
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: I say, uh, rare it takes him down and holds

1108
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: him down for five rounds.

1109
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: Well, it's not a BMF fight, so I guess he'd

1110
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 4: be well.

1111
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 2: Within his rights. I just think because of the striking

1112
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: dynamic and this guy's going up another weightlist, that's a

1113
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: it's a really good fight. That's a great fight, and

1114
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: I think it's one that, uh, you know, Alex s

1115
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: Hays like a slight advantage, although Gon's been in there

1116
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: with everybody and you know he's not going anywhere, but

1117
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: this this is different because you know Perira King kickbox,

1118
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's his background, So it should be

1119
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: I think the odds are perfect on that fight. It

1120
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: should be a slight advantage.

1121
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 5: Dan Thomas is going to join us in about ten

1122
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 5: minutes and Steve Garcia Diego Lopez is bulletproof matchmaking. It

1123
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 5: would be a fascinating five round fight. It would be

1124
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 5: an amazing main event in front of twenty thousand people.

1125
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 5: You know, but sometimes it's hard to find the connective

1126
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 5: tissue with that matchup and you wonder sort of exactly

1127
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 5: it came together. But again, another opportunity for an American fighter.

1128
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 5: Steve Garcia is the underdog.

1129
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, me he couldn't have put al Joe

1130
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: in the.

1131
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that would be on Ray long ago there, Kenny,

1132
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 5: If you had to give a pick on Steele Gan

1133
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 5: and Alex Paeda today, which direction would you go in?

1134
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: Gosh, I would be leaning towards Pereira. But I don't

1135
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 3: think that's an easy fight at all, because Cyril Ghan's

1136
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: jab can pose a lot of problems. You're talking about

1137
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: a proper heavyweight who is extremely athletic and not an

1138
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: easy one to pick. But I would be leading the

1139
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: way of Alex Bededa.

1140
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 5: All right, I want to get back to UFC three

1141
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 5: twenty six if I could for a minute, So Kyle

1142
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 5: Bohalio over Rhan near de Ritter in the Komain event.

1143
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 5: Not that we need to marinate or live in this

1144
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 5: fight for all that long, but I would just submit

1145
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 5: to you, guys. My biggest takeaway is just the extent

1146
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 5: to which Kyle Bohoalio is a student of the game.

1147
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 5: Certainly he puts in the time, he's married to the game.

1148
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 5: But in terms of intellectual intellectualizing mixed martial arts, right

1149
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 5: you see him drop that adverb consequently in his post

1150
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 5: fight interview, he is a fighting nerd and just loves

1151
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 5: like the academic part of this fight game. So to

1152
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 5: watch him respond to his first loss to ten years

1153
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 5: like this in an entertaining yet sort of functional way.

1154
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: I was really impressed with Boholio in the Komain Raymond.

1155
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, and you know that was a

1156
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: fight like and when we talked at the Jim, I

1157
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: was like, this will let us know where the Ridder is.

1158
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: I thought that was a good fight for even the

1159
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: Ridda to come back in. But I think Bojo did

1160
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: a great job and maybe I thought he made it

1161
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: look easy, and I kind of agree with with Dana

1162
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: what he said at the press conference. Just doesn't look

1163
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: like the Riddle wants to be there, like he's comfortable.

1164
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: Looks like he's he's struggling a little bit to be there.

1165
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: It's probably just the way he fights. But a great

1166
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: job by Carle for sure.

1167
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: Keddy.

1168
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 5: I think Deritter needs to move up to light heavyweight

1169
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: with finality. He won two world titles with one defended

1170
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: them both eighty five and two oh five. But when

1171
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 5: he talks about food in a seductive way and talks

1172
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 5: about how life would be as a light heavyweight, and

1173
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 5: I do think there is some gas tank preservation in there,

1174
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 5: even though he felt better health wise in terms of

1175
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 5: stepping away from the Brendan Allen fight and the red

1176
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 5: blood cell count and everything else he was dealing with.

1177
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 5: But you know, I think Bohelio should be celebrated. To

1178
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 5: what do you have for us on the comaan Ken Flow?

1179
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess for me, I scratching my head because

1180
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: I'm looking down at my picks from last week, and

1181
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: I originally had more money on Biholio. I wish i'd

1182
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: put more money on Bill Hall. You listen, I can't.

1183
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 3: I think that athleticism was the difference in that fight.

1184
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: But I agree with you, John, I think that Rainier

1185
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: probably should go to twoh five, not necessarily because of

1186
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: the weight cutting, and I'm sure that's a factor, but

1187
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: I think the one hundred and eighty five pound division

1188
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: is the toughest it's been in the UFC right now,

1189
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: and I think he has a much better chance of

1190
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: chasing that belt and getting that belt at two five

1191
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: than he does I think at one five, just given

1192
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: the level of competition. So yeah, I think for that

1193
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 3: reason it would be a good idea to maybe go

1194
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: up to two or five. But I thought he performed

1195
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: really well. I thought he showed improvement in his striking.

1196
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: Boholio's athleticism was a little too much, and I'm sure

1197
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: Boholio is probably scratching his head a little bit thinking, Hey,

1198
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: I should have maybe taken I should have utilized more

1199
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: offensive wrestling a.

1200
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: Little bit more.

1201
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: I respected his grappling too much, perhaps, But great performance

1202
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: from Boholio, who I think moves up and absolutely John

1203
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: showed improving his game as a real martial artist.

1204
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kenny, I didn't see that much improvement in

1205
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: as stand up. That part I'm confused on. I mean,

1206
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: you take away that knee like he gets hit, his

1207
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 2: arms of flailing all over the place just doesn't look

1208
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: comfortable whatever that is. It's just he does not look

1209
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 2: comfortable getting hit. I don't think that's always a bad

1210
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: sign to me.

1211
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think a lot of those shots were

1212
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: landing though. I thought there were wild shots from right

1213
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: near to ridder. I thought they were kind of going

1214
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: off of his arms and stuff like that. So there

1215
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: were some improvements from but maybe that's yeah, Yeah, but

1216
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 3: I thought I thought Bohlio looked better. I thought were

1217
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 3: you talking.

1218
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: About right, I was talking about the Ridder? Ohio, Yeah, Ohio.

1219
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: I thought showed really good improvements. But I thought you said, yeah,

1220
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: I think he's just not No, I agree with you there.

1221
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: I think he's not the most athletic guy. I think

1222
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: he's an awesome martial artist. I just think that, you know,

1223
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: movement wise, he's gonna be the guys at Wanted five

1224
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: there at the top. Just there's so many elite athletes

1225
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: now in the UFC that you kind of have to

1226
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: be in that conversation to be able to challenge for

1227
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: that belt. I'm just not sure rightier the Ridder is

1228
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 3: quite there yet.

1229
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I thought that you were saying

1230
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: the other way around. Oh sorry, that guy just doesn't

1231
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: look comfortable to me at all.

1232
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 5: You know who looks comfortable in there, the twenty one

1233
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 5: year old Raul Rosace Junior. You want to talk about

1234
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 5: a guy who might actually threaten John Jones's record with

1235
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 5: respect to the division's champion, Pyotr jan this kid man Kenny, Right,

1236
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 5: maybe I should just go be a jiu jitsu commentator.

1237
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know what I'm seeing that's

1238
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 5: the problem. I can't tell you the difference between an

1239
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: anaconda and dars. I only know a Kamora's sweep.

1240
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: At all I know. But dude, this kid man like.

1241
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 5: Just I mean, I know, I understand Rob font and

1242
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 5: the way maybe guys like San Haagen and others have

1243
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 5: realized success in this realm against him before.

1244
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 4: But Ray, this kid at twenty one, Man, he's an ox.

1245
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 2: That's remarkable. It really is. At twenty one years old,

1246
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: to be able to go when there and compete like

1247
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: that is really really is special, you know, because I

1248
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: deal with a lot of twenty one year old kids.

1249
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: He's head and shoulders above a couple of people. But yeah, great,

1250
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: great performance by him, and you know, we hit it

1251
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: very You know who beat him that time, Christian Rodriguez Rodriguez.

1252
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: I thought it was the Brazilian guy too.

1253
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 4: No, Robert Rosas Junior has one pro loss to Chris.

1254
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was still Rodriguez was always a tough

1255
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: out though too. Yeah, Rodriguez is a game. So yeah,

1256
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: but he's made the improvements and he's come back, and

1257
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, he fought a great striker and he did

1258
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: what he had to do. So hats off to.

1259
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 5: Him, Kenny Rosas Junior doing rounds with Emiliano Vargas giving

1260
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 5: him a lot of confidence in the boxing world. We

1261
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 5: haven't even seen what he can do there because he

1262
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 5: took the path that he should have on this fight.

1263
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 5: What'd you make of the phenom Rosas Junior?

1264
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he looked great, and yeah, it's amazing

1265
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: when you think that he's twenty one years old. You know,

1266
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: most twenty one year olds would have made a mess

1267
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: in their pants backstage for the fight, and he goes

1268
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: out there and absolutely shines every single time. You know,

1269
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: had Cobrina in his corner, one of the greatest jiu

1270
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 3: jitsu champions of all time. So he's surrounding himself with

1271
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: the right people. John Crouch of course.

1272
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: So this is the guy.

1273
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: He's committed to the game now and well always has been.

1274
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's a grappler that wants to stay right

1275
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: on top of you. Now, I would have liked to

1276
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: see a little bit more striking from him, a little

1277
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: bit more grounded pound and stuff like that. But his

1278
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: control was phenomenal, the way he was countering, even when

1279
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: he made that little mishap where Rob fought was trying

1280
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: to take his back. He was His defense was awesome.

1281
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: It hit a beautiful attempt at a funk roll, then

1282
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: kind of trapped the arm went the other way. There

1283
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: was nothing that Fought can do. Fought is an experienced guy.

1284
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: He's a grown ass man with a lot of skill

1285
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: and a lot of experience, and he had nothing for

1286
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: Rosas out there.

1287
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: Roses was just too much.

1288
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think this is a guy that really

1289
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: can be a star. He's still very young, still learning,

1290
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: which is great, but the fact that he beat Rob

1291
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: Font at this point in his career, that's pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, I'll say he's doing it in a way

1293
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: where he's taking no damage for young guys, so he's

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01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: preserving even his youth, you know what I mean. It's

1295
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: not like he's in there banging and you know, by

1296
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: the time he's twenty six, that might a point. So

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: he's he's right. I think he's right where he wants

1298
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: to be. With that, he'll be twenty two, twenty three

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: and he'll be healthy as an ox, you know what

1300
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll have taken no damage. So that's I

1301
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: think that's what I'm impressed about, is that he's progressing

1302
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: and he's really getting away with keeping his body healthy

1303
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: and doing it the way he wants to do it.

1304
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: Still just getting started, Yeah, yeah.

1305
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: Still just getting started.

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 7: I mean.

1307
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: And if he's working with a man you're working with,

1308
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: he's working with a good boxing guy. He's twenty one.

1309
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: That's not twenty eight, yeah, but twenty nine. And go

1310
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: to a boxing guy where you know, it's like putting

1311
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: you in the military at thirty. You gotta tell you,

1312
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm not fucking But you get those seventeen eighteen year

1313
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: old kids, they gong, Oh, I think this kid, he's

1314
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Speaker 2: got a good future.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, ray Go attack the rest here Monday, buddy.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Oh all right, we'll stick around for a commercial and

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a sip real quick. Oh, I like

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Speaker 5: drinking out of that can. So this is the Sea

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Speaker 5: you're wondering, compared to fifteen for the black. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: take another ship here, Raymond. If you just for a minute, wait, John,

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Speaker 5: let me ask you one quick question.

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Speaker 2: If it was only seventy five biligrims the caffeine, could

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Speaker 2: you have read it just as quick?

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Speaker 5: don't want to keep a good man waiting any longer. Raymond,

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01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 5: say hello to nine time UFC veteran Dean Thomas Dina.

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? You look totally disgusted sitting there waiting

1349
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: for him to stop up. No, no, no, I saw

1350
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: it in your face. You look totally miserable.

1351
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 9: No, it's not that, man, I just feel bad. My

1352
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 9: setup is so ghetto right now. Everybody got their headphones,

1353
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 9: but I'm still thugging it.

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 5: Man.

1355
01:02:59,480 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.

1356
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 9: I apologize for the unprofessional setup, but I'm here to

1357
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 9: talk with my favorite people in the world.

1358
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 5: You're the highest profile guest on the show. We just

1359
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 5: will take you anywhere we know you're on the road

1360
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 5: and listen.

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01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: I just want I just stayed on to say hello.

1362
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you in the what. I just want

1363
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: to say? How you doing great? You're knocking it out

1364
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: of the park with those analysis All good, and I

1365
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: want you to just be aware of John's facial expression

1366
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: since you don't have a good setup today, Like if

1367
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: somebody beeps the horn or somebody goes, well, the guy's

1368
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: gonna go nuts. So enjoy, enjoy the podcast. Guys, make

1369
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: it easy see Ray?

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Speaker 4: All right, Ray Man, I love you, John Addick, I

1371
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: love you too, Ray, I love you too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 5: I thought Ray was just okay today, folks. You know,

1374
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 5: I thought he was just okay today. But now joining us,

1375
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 5: we'll give the man a proper intro. A man who

1376
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 5: made his UFC debut against BJ Pennett UFC thirty two,

1377
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 5: June twenty ninth, two thousand and one, Dean Thomas.

1378
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 4: Can you hear me anymore?

1379
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 5: Dan?

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 6: I can still hear you. You sound fantastic, right, And

1381
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 6: you do.

1382
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 4: Too, my man. So it's nice to see you. So

1383
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: I was doing some research on you today, Right, So.

1384
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 5: Your UFC debut you were twelve and one, is a

1385
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 5: pro You face Bjpenn UFC thirty two in two thousand

1386
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 5: and one East Rutherford, New Jersey.

1387
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Speaker 4: BJ was one to zero at the time, right.

1388
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 6: I No one I knew he was gonna be that guy,

1389
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying? Like, who knew?

1390
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, he was just a jiu jitsu guy at

1391
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 9: the time, So I thought it was gonna be an

1392
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 9: easy fight for me. I was like, I'm gonna go

1393
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 9: in there and knock this guy's head off. And that's

1394
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 9: not exactly what happened. But you know what, Yeah, but

1395
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 9: you know what, I'm.

1396
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: Still here, baby, I'm still here.

1397
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 4: Well, you really are.

1398
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 5: And I did want to say off the top medium mogul,

1399
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 5: masterful Mixed Martial arts analysts and I have nicknamed you

1400
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 5: the ambassador because we're all irreplaceable in this sport, but you,

1401
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 5: like you'd be a really hard guy to replace. You

1402
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 5: almost are like an octopus in terms of your ability

1403
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 5: to extend your tentacles to all parts of this MMA world.

1404
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 5: You have the respect of your contemporaries and your peers,

1405
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 5: and you've basically done every job in the sports. So

1406
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 5: you're a massive resource and we're just happy to have you, know,

1407
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 5: a quarter of an hour of your time.

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Speaker 6: Brother, No, for sure, man, I tell you what John

1409
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 6: for me.

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01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 9: You know, I'm such I'm so wrapped up into combat

1411
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 9: that I don't really see life in another way. So

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 9: at any perspective or any way I can get into

1413
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 9: the game.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to be in it. So I'm in gyms,

1415
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 6: I'm a gym rat. I'm muffied are.

1416
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 9: Always on a mat and if that's not the case,

1417
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 9: I'm studying fights or like even last night I was

1418
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 9: at zoof of Boxing just as a spectator, just sitting

1419
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 9: there from the first fight to the last fight.

1420
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Speaker 6: So I'm just so deep into the game.

1421
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Speaker 9: And it's crazy how deep I am into the game

1422
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Speaker 9: that I always feel like no matter how deep in

1423
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 9: the game, I still don't know shit about the game.

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know a lot more than a lot

1425
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 4: of people.

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Speaker 5: And uh and as you know, anytime we can bring

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 5: on guys who who got rear naked chokes by Ken

1428
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 5: Flow in the past, we always like to do that

1429
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 5: as well.

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01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 4: Sorry, I can't it.

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01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 6: Wow, gotta bring that up. Gotta make Kenny uncomfortable about that.

1432
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Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say it for the outro, but

1433
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 5: I think everybody's uncomfortable with my energy today. But my man,

1434
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna pass the baton to Kenny and let you

1435
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 5: guys go toe to toe. But first, I guess I

1436
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 5: just wanted to get your thoughts on Charles Olivera and

1437
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 5: the narrative, at least from what seems to me to

1438
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 5: be sixty percent of the people or so that you know,

1439
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 5: this fight wasn't entertaining enough for them.

1440
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 9: I'm gonna always look at so I always try to

1441
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 9: look at things from both both sides, and part of

1442
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 9: me believes that as well.

1443
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 6: Part of me believes it.

1444
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 9: The BMF is reserved for those guys who at some

1445
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 9: point worn't strategic or and I hate to use this term,

1446
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 9: good enough to win a world title in their weight class.

1447
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 9: And it's reserved for those guys that are willing to sacrifice.

1448
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 9: And you have to be good, but you're willing to

1449
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 9: sacrifice some intellectual tactical fighting in order to entertain us.

1450
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 6: And I think that that was what the BMF was

1451
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 6: originally intended to do.

1452
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 9: And if you treated at that standard, it didn't live

1453
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 9: up to that because it didn't look like Charles was

1454
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 9: willing to sacrifice his health, his reputation, or anything else

1455
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 9: he wanted to win. And I almost feel at some point,

1456
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 9: I feel as though he wanted to win so bad

1457
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 9: and so he could leverage that belt in order to

1458
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 9: get a title shot in his weight class as a likeweight,

1459
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 9: to be a like weight champion. And I don't know

1460
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 9: if that's an initiative. I don't know if that's what

1461
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 9: the BMF is intended for.

1462
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Speaker 3: Dam so, so it's an interesting definition. I see it

1463
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: a little bit differently. You tell me if you agree.

1464
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: I saw it as a belt between two guys who

1465
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: in the past have shown that they are willing to

1466
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 3: do that right. And I think that Olavera, just like

1467
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: you said. I think he saw a big meeting with

1468
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 3: that belt and getting that belt, and for that one

1469
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 3: he said, well, I put myself in this. I put

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Speaker 3: myself with this opportunity, you know here because of the

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Speaker 3: way that I've fought in the past.

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Speaker 9: But now it's about me and my legacy. And dude,

1473
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 9: that's fair. And I will never knock a fighter for

1474
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 9: the way they fight, especially if they win. Because we

1475
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 9: got to stop putting the onus on the winner, because

1476
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 9: if we wanted that fight to be more entertaining, Matt

1477
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 9: Alloway should have been able to get up.

1478
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 6: He should have made it.

1479
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 9: He he it was Max Holloway's thought that it wasn't

1480
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 9: as exciting that we that it could have been, Like,

1481
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 9: we can't put the onus on the winner. So although

1482
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 9: I do feel like, yeah, he could have stood and

1483
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 9: traded and he probably would have won that too, like

1484
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 9: Charles probably would have won if he pointed down and

1485
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 9: stood and traded, he could have probably any He probably

1486
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 9: could have won any way he wanted to.

1487
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 6: That night, he didn't do it. And I think that again,

1488
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 6: like I think he was more so concerned with his legacy.

1489
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 9: Wanting to win that belt, wanting to parlay that into

1490
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 9: a title shot at one point fifty five. But I

1491
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 9: think moving forward, I think there's needs to be a

1492
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,879
Speaker 9: serious discussion as to what we do with the BMF.

1493
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 9: I almost feel like it should be an annual thing

1494
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 9: with any way class, with any two of the baddest

1495
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 9: mother effort in their division, and not just relegate it

1496
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 9: to lightweights, because this is what we're gonna get. It's

1497
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 9: gonna I think if we keep it this way, it's

1498
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 9: gonna evolve into something that we didn't intend it intend.

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 4: For it to be right.

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 5: I think you're and I also think Kenny, if I

1501
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 5: could just chime in here to not necessarily there not

1502
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 5: have it be defended.

1503
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1504
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 5: So if you look at like one hundred and thirty

1505
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 5: five pounds right now, right, you can find two guys

1506
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 5: right who are in the top twenty who would just

1507
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 5: put on an absolute war and then the next year

1508
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 5: maybe you just move on to two other athletes, you know,

1509
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 5: But I think an annual thing like that, you know,

1510
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 5: makes a lot of sense.

1511
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 6: And I wouldn't mind seeing like a guy like Drew dover. See.

1512
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 9: This is my point about the BMF title, is it

1513
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 9: it's kind of been relegated to guys that weren't going

1514
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 9: to win it. I mean it started with Jorge Miles,

1515
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 9: without Nick and Nate Diaz, Like, these guys were never

1516
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 9: going to win a title, but we wanted to reward

1517
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 9: them for all their effort and the blood and just

1518
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 9: being the badasses that they were, and you reward them

1519
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 9: for that. So I feel like, moving forward, we need

1520
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 9: to reward guys that are willing to do that and

1521
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 9: then give them the opportunity to be the BMF and

1522
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 9: then I think it'll solve the problem of this happening.

1523
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 9: But when you go on and you make it a

1524
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 9: belt and then they have to defend it, they're gonna

1525
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 9: defend it, and they're gonna do whatever they have to

1526
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 9: do to defend it, and we're gonna get fights like

1527
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 9: we got last night.

1528
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 3: Dean, what does this say about Iliot Toilporia and how

1529
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: good he is? When you prepare this fight with him

1530
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: in Max Holloway. And also, do you think this was

1531
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 3: a better version of Charles Olivera. Do you think that

1532
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 3: Charles Olivera can win the belt at won fifty five?

1533
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 9: I think that Charles Olivera can win the belt at

1534
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 9: one fifty five. I think it says a lot about

1535
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 9: Iliot Taporia too, but also says a lot about the

1536
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 9: small sample size that we get with fighting, because I

1537
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 9: think Charles olivered that showed up against MaTx Holloway would

1538
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 9: have the potential to beat Ilia Taporia.

1539
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 6: But Ilia Taporia is.

1540
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 9: A special, special generational athlete, and if you give that

1541
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 9: man a moment to shine, he's gonna take it, and

1542
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 9: he's gonna knock it right out of the ballpark. I mean,

1543
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 9: this is a guy who knocked out Volkanowski, two of

1544
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 9: the greatest featherways of all time. Volkanowski and Charles Olivera,

1545
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 9: guys that are not known for getting knocked out. Then

1546
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 9: he knocked out or Max Holloway. Then he knocked out

1547
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 9: Charles Olivera with a completely different punch. So it's not

1548
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 9: like it's the guy with one punch, but he knocked

1549
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 9: him out with a completely different punch. I mean, this

1550
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 9: guy is a special, special talent. But again it's a

1551
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 9: small sample size, but considering who he did, it to

1552
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 9: speak huge volumes. But I do believe that Charles Olivera,

1553
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 9: the way he looked on Saturday Night has the potential

1554
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 9: to beat anybody on his night.

1555
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 4: Iliat Toputi is a grappler by Trey.

1556
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 5: But it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility

1557
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 5: that Charles Olivera, in all of his physicality, with what

1558
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 5: we were talking about earlier, the wrestling, the jiu jitsu maintenance,

1559
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 5: that he could control Ilia Topoti on the ground and

1560
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 5: potentially find a submission, not at all out of the

1561
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 5: realm of possibility. The Great Dean Thomas is with us

1562
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 5: here live on the Attica Florian podcast, So Raoul rosas

1563
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 5: junior man.

1564
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 4: Before we get to the White House stuff.

1565
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 5: This kid, at twenty one, you know, hard work is

1566
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 5: really increasingly started to lead the dance we were talking

1567
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 5: about his corner earlier, now chiefed by the great John

1568
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 5: Crouch and I don't know, man, you know, I didn't

1569
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 5: feel like John Jones's record was going to be threatened

1570
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 5: by too many young athletes. But depending on how they

1571
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 5: match this guy up in the top fifteen. I think

1572
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 5: he's a really tough matchup for a lot of guys.

1573
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, and a lot of that has to do with

1574
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 9: his style, because he's such a strong grappler, and when

1575
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 9: you're a strong grappler like that, you eliminate risk and

1576
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 9: those moments of being able to get caught, and he did.

1577
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 6: He did that very effectively.

1578
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 9: And the fact that he's you know, he's taking good shots,

1579
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 9: he's got great control. But the most I'm impressed with

1580
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 9: him by is the evolution of his respect for the game.

1581
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 9: I mean, this is the guy that when when he

1582
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 9: first came out, was he he was like talking about

1583
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 9: how he beat him Al Jamaine Sterling in practice and

1584
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 9: he didn't know who he was and so on and

1585
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 9: so forth. But now and now we see him reaching

1586
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 9: out to guys like John Crouch and and having a

1587
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 9: healthier respect for the game. And I think that that's

1588
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 9: going to speak a lot of volumes, and I think

1589
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 9: that's going to carry him a lot further into his career.

1590
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 9: Rather than that cocky nineteen year old that we saw

1591
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 9: that was like, oh, I'm the best in the world.

1592
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 9: Now I think he realizes his position and he's moving

1593
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 9: in a pace where I think that, yes, he could

1594
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 9: be a threat to anybody in these divisions. I mean,

1595
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 9: we've seen Morob have that style and be successful, and

1596
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 9: Raul Roass Junior can can duplicate that.

1597
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 5: And I will always say he gets a little bit

1598
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 5: of a bad rap though for that cockiness. I was

1599
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 5: there in that fighter meeting with the Aljamain Sterling stuff,

1600
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 5: and I do think it gets a little bit overblown.

1601
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 5: But you're right, the loss allowed him to push the

1602
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 5: reset button. But Bro five straight wins since that Sea

1603
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 5: Rod setback, and you know, like just the measured way

1604
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 5: he sort of methodically allowed John Crouch to become part

1605
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 5: of the camp and now his chief corner.

1606
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 4: It's just I'm very impressed, my man. I know it's

1607
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: a busy week for you.

1608
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 5: You got Jillian Robertson out there in the Comain event

1609
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 5: this weekend taking on the former world title challenger Amanda

1610
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 5: le Most so, Uh, you're about a two to one favorite.

1611
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on what you got in front

1612
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 4: of you?

1613
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 9: You know, I hate being a two to one favorite,

1614
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 9: especially in a game like this, especially when you're dealing

1615
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 9: with a power puncher like Lamos.

1616
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 6: You know, I hate I hate the idea of that,

1617
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 6: So I try not to get wrapped up into those

1618
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 6: things and just treat it like it has to be treated.

1619
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: You know.

1620
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 9: We understand the danger on the other side. We can't

1621
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 9: let moments of opportunity just happen for Lamosh. We got

1622
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 9: to stay on her. We got to make her work

1623
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 9: and uh and just get the job done and try

1624
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 9: to move on to the next one. I think the

1625
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 9: Gillian's in a really good spot here. I think with

1626
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 9: a prefer uh, with an impressive win over Lamos, that

1627
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 9: would set her up actually for me, a title shot,

1628
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 9: considering the way John might be hurt. So I think

1629
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 9: that we have a real serious job to do. This

1630
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 9: is the most important fight of her life. So we

1631
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 9: have a job to do to get out there and

1632
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 9: not just do it uh and get it done. But

1633
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 9: we gotta do it with style. We gotta we gotta

1634
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 9: do this. We gotta win this fight with style.

1635
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 4: It really is.

1636
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 5: You almost have to have a mentality if we get

1637
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 5: if we get a submission and we add to our

1638
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: record total, we have a great chance to fight for

1639
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 5: the world title. And if we went on points, we

1640
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 5: probably won't be next, right, I mean, isn't it.

1641
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, that's the way it works. I mean, and

1642
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 9: you have to factor that in. And it's an unfair

1643
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 9: aspect of the game that we factor in for fighters.

1644
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 9: You can't just do it and get a w like.

1645
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 9: You have to look good doing it. You have to

1646
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 9: make people clamor to want to see you again. So

1647
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 9: we got to go out there. And but the good

1648
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 9: news is with Jillian is that we train for that.

1649
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 9: We trained to fight with a style that's appealing. So

1650
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 9: and I've always told you guys that if she's not

1651
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 9: absolutely destroying her opponent, she's probably losing, you know, a

1652
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 9: boring decision.

1653
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1654
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 5: Well, has a lot of things going for her, her

1655
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 5: UFC history, She has a lot of sort of records

1656
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 5: and things going for her. And she walks out to

1657
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 5: fifty cents pi MP and is particularly memorable because of

1658
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 5: that as well, Dane, before we let you go, right,

1659
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 5: the promotion should be lauded for championing its two biggest stars,

1660
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 5: a lit Peda and Iliot Topodia on the White House card,

1661
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 5: but the expectations were that this would be on paper,

1662
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 5: the biggest, baddest, best fight card in UFC history, and

1663
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 5: I think the public perception, if not the reality, is

1664
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 5: that it is not that. And there are guys maybe

1665
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,879
Speaker 5: that you were not expected to see, whether it's Mauricio

1666
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 5: Houfi or Aymond's a hobby or Steve Garcia or Kyle Dakas.

1667
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 5: So what are your thoughts on the White House card?

1668
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 5: And I guess what are you most excited about? Because

1669
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 5: you will be there with us June fourteen.

1670
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 9: I think you know, there's a lot of ways to

1671
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 9: look at this, and I think you said it best

1672
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 9: initially is that it was so underwhelming that we almost

1673
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 9: forgot that we're still getting Ilio Tuporia and Alex Baheada,

1674
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 9: two of the biggest stars in the UFC. It's just

1675
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 9: I think that they did a They didn't do a

1676
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 9: great enough job of kind of filling it out at

1677
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 9: the bottom, which I think that they could have been

1678
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 9: done a little bit better. But what we have to

1679
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 9: understand is that building cards is not like playing fantasy football.

1680
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 9: You can't just make the matches that you want to

1681
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 9: make because there's so much involved in it. And when

1682
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 9: this was announced that they were going to fight at

1683
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 9: the White House, everybody.

1684
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 7: Was like, oh, I want to be on it.

1685
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 6: I want to be on it.

1686
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 9: But then I think when they started making matches, guys

1687
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 9: were like, hmm, how can I find a way not

1688
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 9: to be on it? Whether it's pricing myself out, or

1689
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 9: maybe being injured, or just maybe the expectation of it,

1690
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 9: they just decided they didn't want to be on it.

1691
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 9: So I think that I think that the idea that

1692
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 9: the UFC had of making this the best card they

1693
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 9: wanted to and then when it was time to do it,

1694
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 9: they just couldn't do it.

1695
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 6: But you know what, I don't want to be disrespectful to.

1696
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 9: Guys like Kyle Dawkas and all them, because this is

1697
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 9: a great opportunity for them, Kyle Daucas, Mauricio whof he did,

1698
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 9: great opportunity for them to shine. But yes, it was underwhelming,

1699
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 9: but I don't think it was necessarily the UFC's fault.

1700
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 6: I think that they wanted to make better matchups. The

1701
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 6: only matchup that I think.

1702
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 9: I don't know what happened to this, but I am

1703
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 9: upset that they didn't do Sean O'Malley and Corey Sanagan

1704
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 9: because I know Corey san Hagan wanted that, and I'm

1705
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 9: sure the UFC could have wanted it, so the only

1706
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 9: only it only leads me to believe that Sean O'Malley

1707
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 9: is the only one who didn't want it want it,

1708
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 9: which is why it's not happening.

1709
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1710
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, again, we're not talking about aim as a hobby

1711
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 5: in any sort of negative way. He's got the winning streak,

1712
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 5: He's got a great chance to win, right. But it

1713
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 5: seems like this would have been the time to be like, hey, Sean,

1714
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 5: you gotta you gotta fight.

1715
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 6: What is the fight that we that we have been

1716
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 6: talking about for like two years?

1717
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 9: Did everybody wanted to see like we we thought that

1718
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 9: they were going to somehow match up and it would

1719
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 9: have been a perfect opportunity.

1720
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 6: But but again, I don't want to be disrespectful to

1721
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 6: Amen or the other guys.

1722
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 3: Deean, that's a great fight. Do you do you think

1723
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 3: that maybe Aimon has a more crowd pleasing style than

1724
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 3: than san Hagen or.

1725
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 4: No, I don't.

1726
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think that.

1727
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 9: I think maybe I think stylistically, I think that Sean

1728
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 9: might have wanted to fight Aimen just because like he's

1729
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 9: gonna be a little bit more forward coming coming at him,

1730
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 9: is supposed to moving around and Sean was probably you

1731
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 9: know what, I do better against guys who come forward

1732
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 9: for me, So I'd prefer to fight aiming.

1733
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: Well.

1734
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 4: Dean Thomas, I know it's a busy week. We absolutely

1735
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 4: love you.

1736
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 5: Actually, you can populate Jason Anacon here real quickly and

1737
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 5: we'll go forwards.

1738
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 4: You guys can say hello, Oh my goodness, my heart

1739
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 4: is filled.

1740
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 5: See that's what I'm talking about, you know. Now let

1741
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 5: me see my guy, Dean Thomas. They keep me in

1742
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 5: the back ten minutes. Handcuffs your Dean. Hey, Dean, when's

1743
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 5: your movie coming out?

1744
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 6: Flowers?

1745
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 9: So it's right now. It's getting sound mixed. That should

1746
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 9: have been done last week. I'm still waiting on that,

1747
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 9: and then we get need a final color correction and

1748
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 9: it's done. Like the whole bone, the bones and skeleton

1749
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 9: of it is complete. Just the minor touches, man, that's it,

1750
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 9: but it's done. You'll be very happy. What Pearl did

1751
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 9: was amazing. John, Yeah, John, you'll be very happy with

1752
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 9: what your niece did. So I'm excited for everybody to

1753
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 9: see it.

1754
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 4: That's awesome, Dano.

1755
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 5: Have a great rest of your Monday, and we'll be

1756
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 5: watching Jillian and you in that corner live on Saturday.

1757
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 4: I appreciate your time as always, sir.

1758
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 6: All right, guys, y'all be good man, peace out that.

1759
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 5: Man Nick's Martial arts legend, The Ambassador Dean Thomas with

1760
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 5: us here on the Antiquid floor and podcast. Jason Addick

1761
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 5: now with us live at Boston Attic. Did you see

1762
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 5: any of Malki Kawa's interview earlier today.

1763
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 4: Jay, I did. I don't even know where to begin.

1764
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 4: That's a good place to begin.

1765
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 5: How about Malki Kawa having a major heart surgery issue

1766
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 5: in the middle of you know, NFL free Agency. He's

1767
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 5: got all sorts of guys he's got to deal with

1768
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 5: there and all this MMA noise.

1769
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 4: This is a great show. Boys.

1770
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 5: There's so much, so much I want to say and

1771
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 5: wanted to say, but I know a lot of things

1772
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 5: have passed by. One thing I'll say about the White

1773
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 5: House card, though, the more I look at it, the

1774
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 5: more I like it.

1775
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 4: And you know, it was like I didn't even realize

1776
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 4: whof he was on it, right, and that you know,

1777
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 4: so it is what it is.

1778
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 5: And you know, as much as we love Sandhagen O'Malley

1779
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 5: in a meritocracy, it's good that the hobby earned that spot,

1780
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 5: and I like the Canadian there on the American card

1781
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 5: as well.

1782
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 4: So kind of is what it is.

1783
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 5: But I think the co main event is gonna We're

1784
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 5: gonna it's gonna have a lot of juice as time

1785
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 5: goes on. All right, well, we have a lot of

1786
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 5: things to get into before we will eventually spin it

1787
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 5: forward to uh Josh Emmett and uh a fighter whose

1788
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 5: name I'm not going to pronounce because we will feature

1789
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 5: it in the pronounce your.

1790
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: Yeah it is loo number.

1791
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 4: You get a raw extra attention to the broken blood

1792
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 4: vessel in my eye.

1793
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 5: I am because I want to tell Kenny, I swear

1794
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,440
Speaker 5: to God the exact same thing happened to me exactly

1795
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 5: a year ago. Kenny, I swear to God, I have receipts,

1796
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 5: and then the twin shit is real like a year ago,

1797
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 5: like to the day to the day.

1798
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 4: I'll show you receipts.

1799
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: Kenny.

1800
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 4: On March first of last year, I looked like that, Sorry.

1801
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: What the hell this guys? What is triggering this.

1802
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: Sneeze?

1803
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 5: We have aggressive sneeze. My wife like once to divorce

1804
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 5: me every time I sneeze. Go ahead, John, So, Kenny,

1805
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if you saw Alberto Montes's submission over

1806
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 5: Ricky Tertios on the prelims. It's okay if you didn't

1807
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 5: see it, but the anaconda choke versus the dars choke,

1808
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 5: this is actually a bad episode on which to have

1809
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 5: this conversation because of the Charles olivera grappling stuff, you know,

1810
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 5: But the difference between an anaconda and a Darce. Right,

1811
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 5: So in our fighter meeting, Montes showed us his version

1812
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 5: of the anaconda and maybe there's a little bit of

1813
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 5: an alternative arm placement there. But bro, I mean, a

1814
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 5: lot of people on Instagram have been trying to explain

1815
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 5: this to me. Is there, in Layman's terms a way

1816
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 5: you can explain the difference between an anaconda choke and

1817
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 5: a dars choke.

1818
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. So for me, the way the way I see

1819
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 3: it is for the dars choke, essentially, I'm getting that

1820
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 3: person person's neck to lay across my arm, almost like

1821
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 3: I'm driving the neck down like I would with a

1822
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 3: paper cutter type of thing. So if i'm people are like,

1823
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 3: what the hell's a paper cutter? Yeah, exactly, we know

1824
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 3: what a paper cutter is because we're old. But you know,

1825
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 3: so they're actually driving it down towards the mat. So

1826
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 3: if I'm like leaning my body weight on top of

1827
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 3: your neck, I'm leaning it onto my arm, whereas an anaconda,

1828
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm kind of an open space where I'm kind of

1829
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 3: squeezing more like a rear naked choke than I'm using

1830
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 3: than I am actually utilizing my body weight.

1831
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 4: If that makes sense.

1832
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does hard to do with video, but yeah,

1833
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 5: I think his sort of variation maybe was like the

1834
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 5: puts the his arm under the arm pit, but it's

1835
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 5: just all way over my head.

1836
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 3: He's a killer with it, I tell you that.

1837
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, man, I've never felt so convicted in

1838
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 5: an outcome that he was going to find the submission,

1839
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, certainly Tertio's had been out for

1840
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 5: four hundred plus days, but anyway, really fascinating card. Have

1841
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 5: you ever, guys ever seen a fighter throw up in

1842
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 5: a bucket and then competing like that before?

1843
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 4: That was unique. I didn't get to see it. I

1844
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 4: don't think they brought it to television. Tody haven't seen it.

1845
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 5: Cody Garbrant was like convulsing and in terms of the

1846
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 5: grappling Vought and you see Max Holloway based on his

1847
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 5: submission defense being black.

1848
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 6: Belt strapped up black belt. That was pretty cool.

1849
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 4: Talk about that too. We did talk about that, so

1850
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 4: I missed that too. Sorry, Yeah, you missed that.

1851
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 5: You talk about Bellamere, You talk about Bellamere, Please say

1852
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 5: you talked about We did not.

1853
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 4: Man, she is an absolute warriors.

1854
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 5: When I first got to ESPN, when you guys were

1855
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,560
Speaker 5: doing MMA Live back in the day, Frank Muir was

1856
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 5: also part of that team, and I talked to him,

1857
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 5: and I met Frankmuir and he like literally blew my

1858
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 5: mind for ninety seconds, just brilliant. I can imagine he

1859
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 5: was a brilliant teacher and father and just seeing the

1860
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 5: joy on his face and shock was just incredible.

1861
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 4: All Right, last thing I want to get to on

1862
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 4: the White House card.

1863
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 5: I've got a few other big fight odds, and again

1864
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 5: we will we will get to a prediction on Kevin

1865
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 5: and Josh before the end of the program. But I

1866
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 5: just want to ask you guys of these underdogs on

1867
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 5: the surface, and we can't include seedle Gone, Justin Gatchee,

1868
01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 5: amon Z a Hobby, Michael Chandler, Kyle Dacas, Steve Garcia,

1869
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 5: which one of those guys is going to come through,

1870
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 5: and as I stall for you, I would suggest if

1871
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 5: one of them wins, it will elevate this experience, right

1872
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 5: because something that is unpredictable and less chocky will have happened.

1873
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 5: So of those underdogs Gegee against Opulia is a hobby

1874
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 5: against O'Malley Chandler against Hoofi Dacas against Bo Nickel, or

1875
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 5: Steve Garcia against Diego Lopez. In whom are you most

1876
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 5: confident and the smallest underdog of the bunch of Steve Garcia.

1877
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 3: I'm going with Steve Garcia. Jay, I think Adam he's

1878
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: got legit child.

1879
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 4: I like that you break it down that way.

1880
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 5: I think Amanz a hobby would be I would have

1881
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 5: to go there based on the winning streak.

1882
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 4: Okay, all right?

1883
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 5: And then who do you guys think is favored March

1884
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,919
Speaker 5: twenty eighth, Joe Pifer Israel out of Sonia, Ken Flow.

1885
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 3: Out of Sonia.

1886
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 4: Jay, I think I've seen it. I think it's a

1887
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 4: Pickham Pifer is minus one twenty five out of Sonya

1888
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 4: is plus one oh five. And lastly, in perth wa

1889
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 4: first week in May, who is favored Jack Dela Madelena

1890
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 4: or Carlos Protest can Flow protests Jay, I take JDM

1891
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 4: JDM minus one twenty Carlos Protest plus one Wow, another

1892
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 4: pick them Uriprohska, Carlos Olberg, and he thoughts ken Flow

1893
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 4: as to who might be the betting favorite in that

1894
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 4: particular contest.

1895
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:19,839
Speaker 6: I think it was Oldberg.

1896
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 3: I may have seen that.

1897
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 2: Was it all big? Jay?

1898
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go with Flow there. I thought Olberg might

1899
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 5: have been the slight favorite. Uriprohsica minus one forty two Carlos,

1900
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 5: let's go for that plus.

1901
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Speaker 3: Okay, there for you.

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Speaker 4: All right, so we have a fighter for the what Jay, what?

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Speaker 4: What's day?

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Speaker 5: You know me?

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Speaker 7: So? Well?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would like to talk. I love that new

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Speaker 5: It's my first appearance since the program has been on

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Speaker 5: the All the Smoke Network. I want to take it

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Speaker 5: off the fucking rails. John Am I allowed to curse?

1933
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 5: So some people really don't like the curs. Yeah, we'd

1934
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Speaker 5: have you in the back handcuff at monsaru Kian.

1935
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Speaker 2: So go ahead.

1936
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Speaker 5: We have a fighter competing in his first UFC main

1937
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 5: event this weekend out of Argentina. He is seventeen and one.

1938
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,560
Speaker 5: His only pro loss came against Jean Lord Silva on

1939
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 5: Dana White's Contender series. He is the minus five fifty

1940
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Speaker 5: betting favorite this weekend against Josh Ammit Kenny. And before

1941
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Speaker 5: we get to your prediction, we would like to hear

1942
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Speaker 5: how you pronounce Kevin's name?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that Argentinian acting Gavin by jos.

1944
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Speaker 10: So, so you turn that, you turn that VTA would

1945
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Speaker 10: be Gabby. Yeah, what about on the front end of

1946
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 10: his last name though, Gabby just like stell Gebby.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, go ahead, Dade, and I love how it's

1948
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Speaker 4: different than the.

1949
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Speaker 5: Gabby Jay gonna come on here and and cut off

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Speaker 5: the audio file too.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you're gonna do? Listen to the fucking

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Speaker 4: file and you're talking? You want to be asked back

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Speaker 4: or no?

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Speaker 5: Not the first time we've had this file or this

1955
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Speaker 5: name on the program for the fire the Man.

1956
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Speaker 4: All right, I'll be quiet.

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Speaker 5: Fourteenth ranked Kevin Baschekos minus five to fifty. Number eleven

1958
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 5: Josh emmittt plus four to ten so Emmitt ken Fulo,

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Speaker 5: former interim title challenger.

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Speaker 4: He was eighteen and two when he had won five

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Speaker 4: in a row.

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Speaker 5: He fought Yeah You're Rodriguez for the interim title and

1963
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Speaker 5: since then he's lost four of five. Did go five

1964
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 5: rounds with l Ron Murphy last April, far shorter. In

1965
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 5: October he was submitted by Yusuf Silal. He's a big

1966
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 5: underdog this weekend against bash Ekos Kenfilow.

1967
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Speaker 2: Who do you like?

1968
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Speaker 3: You know, it's hard not to like Josh Emmett because

1969
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 3: he's been around the sport for so long. He's a

1970
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 3: real professional. He's a hard worker man, and he fights

1971
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 3: to entertain, I mean, and that's just the way he

1972
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 3: fights like so, I think he definitely has a puncher's

1973
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 3: chance here. But by By Jehos is an absolute beast.

1974
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Speaker 3: This is a guy who I think has a very

1975
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 3: tough boxing style to deal with. I think his speed

1976
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 3: in particular is going to post some problems for Josh Emmett.

1977
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 3: I think Emmett may want to use some takedowns here

1978
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 3: to maybe at least slow down those hands of budget

1979
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 3: Hoss and get him to hesitate a little bit. But

1980
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Speaker 3: I have to feel that, you know, I have to

1981
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: think that like the Argentinian is going to be a

1982
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 3: big threat on the feed for sure. So if Emmett

1983
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Speaker 3: can't take it to the ground, I like by jejos.

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Speaker 5: Here all right and Gillian robertson the two to one

1985
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 5: favoritegainst Amando Lamos in the co main event. It's all

1986
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,799
Speaker 5: yours on Paramount Plus from the UFC Meta Apex this weekend.

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Speaker 5: All right, Tom, now for Place your Bets brought to

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Speaker 5: you by John Ant dot com, where you can support

1989
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Speaker 5: the show with a merchandise order. With promo code one

1990
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Speaker 5: More Sleep, you get fifteen percent off. J probably good

1991
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 5: time to let the masses know, and we thank him

1992
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 5: for his contributions, but we have decided to move on

1993
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 5: from Ian Parker. Despite what I think some people feel,

1994
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Speaker 5: we have tried for almost eleven years every Monday to

1995
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 5: be listener first, to listen to what you guys have

1996
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 5: to say about the program, to try to make it better.

1997
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 5: We felt as though the main event challenge was getting

1998
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 5: a little bit stale in twenty twenty four, we wanted

1999
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 5: to sort of try to evolve the segment. It's still

2000
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 5: an active evolution, but Ian was not the right fit

2001
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 5: and we respect his handicapping. Moving forward, we hope he

2002
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 5: does well, but he's no longer going to be on

2003
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 5: the program. Jay, Yeah, we respect a lot of these

2004
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 5: guys handicapping. And I'll just say, like even back with

2005
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 5: the Petrie stuff, and like the audience out there, like

2006
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 5: we love you, we appreciate you. We see the comments

2007
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 5: like I hate to say it like this, but like

2008
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 5: it's not that serious, right, Like it's love It's not

2009
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 5: war Dominic Kruz new podcast, Love War Baby, but like

2010
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 5: it's not that serious, Like a lot of love for Petree.

2011
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 4: Just wanted to sort of move the program in a

2012
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 4: different way.

2013
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 5: Who knows what the place your bet segment will evolve into, right,

2014
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 5: how about Dean Thomas every fucking week, blowing your mind? Greg,

2015
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 5: Whatever this show evolves to, we're just sort of no

2016
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 5: pun intended, letting it flow.

2017
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 4: So it is what it is.

2018
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 5: But we got love for everybody. Yeah, No, Ian Parker

2019
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 5: not gonna be on the show anymore. And you know,

2020
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 5: I want to be on the fucking show here there,

2021
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 5: but I know someone else is on the show that

2022
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 5: has a similar voice to me, but a lot of

2023
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 5: different ways to sort of skin an apple.

2024
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 4: It is what is.

2025
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 5: We're going to move it forward, try and bring you

2026
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 5: the best that we can. But we hear you, and

2027
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 5: we feel you, and we appreciate all your support. Everyone

2028
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 5: want Kenny, Kenny, I don't know if you want to

2029
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 5: get in here. I mean, we're working on a lot

2030
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 5: of different things behind this ins into the three hundred

2031
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 5: or so handicappers that are in our queue. We know

2032
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 5: a lot of you are trying to get on the show,

2033
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 5: and if an opportunity arises, we will try to feature

2034
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 5: some of you folks as well.

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Speaker 3: Can Flow go Yeah, No, Again, it's not an easy

2036
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 3: thing finding the right dynamic, finding someone who is going

2037
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 3: to be consistently available, all that stuff. So we'll continue

2038
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 3: to listen to what the fans are saying and we

2039
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 3: appreciate the support the whole time.

2040
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, Ken Flow has one thousand dollars to

2041
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 5: spend on UFC Fight Night, EMMITTT versus Bush echos J.

2042
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 5: You're more than willing to give us some plays on

2043
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 5: the back end as well. But as we update the

2044
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 5: results from UFC three twenty six, Holloway versus Olivera two,

2045
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 5: Kenny goes one for three, the losses Rob font Michael Johnson,

2046
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 5: Max Holloway went on Kyle Bohoalio. So that does drop

2047
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 5: you out of the black and into the red for

2048
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 5: the year, albeit slightly. One thousand dollars Kenny to spend

2049
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 5: Emmett versus Bush echoes, Jay.

2050
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 4: You got a problem. No, I just want to say flow.

2051
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 5: You said earlier on the program, perhaps you were thinking

2052
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 5: about putting more on Bohio and when that fight began,

2053
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 5: I couldn't help but think about your large wager because

2054
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 5: with respect to our dr from a striking standpoint, didn't

2055
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 5: belong in the octagon with Bohio and Ohio certainly skilled

2056
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 5: grappler two. But yes, Ohio had that setback. But man,

2057
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 5: he looked like a ferocious contender to me, and so

2058
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 5: so bullish there. I'm sure if you go back, you

2059
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 5: put the whole bag.

2060
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,440
Speaker 3: I know, I know it, I know it. But Olivera

2061
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 3: was on One on Saturday Night. Man, he looked fantastic.

2062
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this one, I'm gonna keep it simple here.

2063
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 3: I think that I like Robertson. I'm gonna put five

2064
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 3: hundred on Robertson. I'm gonna put five hundred on by Jechos,

2065
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 3: so hopefully I can win some of that back. And

2066
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I think some some good fights there, Jay,

2067
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 3: Anything on the board that you want to beat with, Yeah,

2068
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 3: maybe I'll try and get out of the get the

2069
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 3: duck out of the hole.

2070
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you a thousand dollars parlay on a

2071
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 5: couple of women's fights. Jillian robertson. We got Dean Thomas

2072
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 5: on the program. You can be sure she is the

2073
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 5: first leg and be a mosquita minus five. Uh you

2074
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 5: know ba is part of the Dirty Boxing broadcast. Uh wow,

2075
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, she's yeah, helping translate. So I'm gonna tie

2076
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 5: her and Jillian Robinson together. Get that about minus one

2077
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 5: twenty five. But the whole thousand there. And I know

2078
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 5: Malkie did talk about dirty boxing, but how about them

2079
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 5: going the night before these UFC fights, John, I mean,

2080
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 5: nothing would make me happier than to just find myself

2081
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 5: in the same city as you are. Yeah, that could

2082
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 5: be crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if they go power

2083
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 5: Slap potentially in Washington, d C. As well, and Dirty

2084
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 5: Boxing it sounds like it's going to be there. Friday night.

2085
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 5: That'll be great. Yeah, And I will say real quick

2086
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 5: if you'll allow me to, you know, for Dirty Boxing. Right,

2087
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 5: for those UFC fans who are coming to Miami who

2088
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 5: can't afford to go to the event, you can go

2089
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 5: to Dirty Boxing the night before.

2090
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 4: Which is dope.

2091
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 5: But I will say right, because the Professional Grappling Federation

2092
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 5: is underway season nine to twenty twenty six season, every

2093
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 5: Wednesday night from Vegas, and I will say what's interesting

2094
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 5: about the PGF.

2095
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 4: Tune in Wednesday nights.

2096
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 5: That fight with Charles olivera Max Holloway would have been

2097
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 5: broken up several times in the PGF format, Kenny, because

2098
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 5: it's submission only, there's inactivity.

2099
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 6: He gets.

2100
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 5: I'm not suggesting Charles was inactive. But for those that

2101
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 5: don't like the grappling, the PGF sort of has implemented

2102
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 5: a rule set where they don't allow you to not

2103
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 5: like what's happening. So tune in Wednesday night, seven o'clock

2104
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Speaker 5: eastern PGF on kick and YouTube. Well, and a lot

2105
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 5: of these combat sports promotions that Jay is working for,

2106
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 5: like the PGF and Dirty Boxing that have launched fairly recently.

2107
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 5: I know the pgf's been around for a while. They're

2108
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 5: trying to, of course, come up with a rule set

2109
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 5: that is going to simultaneously move their sports forward and

2110
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 5: move martial arts forward, but also entertain the masses, and

2111
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 5: certainly indirectly you can see with some of the matchmaking,

2112
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 5: and we've talked about it today, that's what the UFC

2113
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 5: is trying to do as well. All right, Jay Safe

2114
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 5: travels to Vegas. Man, appreciate you. Jason with us live

2115
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 5: on Anak and Florian podcast. Yeah, we kept him in

2116
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 5: the back for like ten minutes. He's technically my younger

2117
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 5: brother by three minutes, so yeah, all right. Thanks to

2118
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 5: Dean Thomas, Thanks to Ray Longo, Thanks especially to Malki

2119
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 5: Kawer for joining us off the top of the show

2120
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,560
Speaker 5: given his health condition. Thanks to our entire all the

2121
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 5: Smoke team spearheaded by Nate Bronson, Thanks to our live

2122
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 5: producer Cody Merrow, who of course does so much more

2123
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 5: than that. And we'll be watching this weekend to see

2124
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Speaker 5: if Josh Emmitt can turn back the clock a little

2125
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,600
Speaker 5: bit against Kevin by Chekos. We will have more on

2126
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 5: the White House stuff coming up next week, to be sure,

2127
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 5: And thank you all for subscribing to the Antik Imploring

2128
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Speaker 5: Podcast YouTube channel. That is the best way to support

2129
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 5: the show and we appreciate every last one of you

2130
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 5: with that for Ken Flum, John and we will talk

2131
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Speaker 5: to you next week.

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Speaker 4: Until then, YO, better