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Speaker 1: then Conquerable Black Snow, Cold Kid, book up, Book of
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Speaker 1: but before you get started to be good, the real
Speaker 1: Black Snows pros Black Snow is actually a real poet
Speaker 1: um here in the city of Houston. Man. Uh So
Speaker 1: that's where, yeah, man, I was actually um giving Black
Speaker 1: Snow props, you know, bringing them to the big screen
Speaker 1: and just let them know that how much I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: That one night, um that he gave me here downtown
Speaker 1: in Houston. I'm and one of the hotels and my
Speaker 1: wife and I would want a chance. I got a
Speaker 1: chance to go check him out spoken word to night
Speaker 1: and m I was reluctant. I was like, baby, h
Speaker 1: you know, but she's like, come on to school with me.
Speaker 1: And uh, I got a chance to hear Black Snow
Speaker 1: And he was so awesome. Man, he kind of opened
Speaker 1: my eyes. He told a story about um m mrs
Speaker 1: Ms Jackson and the three boys, and um that that
Speaker 1: story totally that just thinking that that was literally maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten years ago and I still remember
Speaker 1: that story, Um that he told me. It was just
Speaker 1: so powerful. Yeah. You know book, Uh you know we
Speaker 1: we we got we got history man. Yeah. Man. And
Speaker 1: and like I like I said, Man, I had to
Speaker 1: let you see my little boys grown okay, because when
Speaker 1: they were little bitty boys, I had to go see book.
Speaker 1: Hey dad called book. Let's go see book called the
Speaker 1: book hey man. Some special times. Yeah it was man.
Speaker 1: Book book was always one thousand man with me and
Speaker 1: my children. Man, he never he was a superstar. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a big ass superstar bro like the first
Speaker 1: and only the Tiger Conways, when you win a bell, No, no,
Speaker 1: you're the only. He's the only. He's the only brother
Speaker 1: in the UH wrestling UH world to win a bell.
Speaker 1: I've been d he won the North American and Championship. Actually,
Speaker 1: the one brother who stepped in before me was run Simmons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he put it down in deie c W before me.
Speaker 1: But when I came along, it was a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that pretty much, um you know, created the blueprint
Speaker 1: for me, even though they didn't know they were doing it.
Speaker 1: And so many of them did it in so many
Speaker 1: different ways. So when I came in, I looked at
Speaker 1: those guys and I tried to take a little piece
Speaker 1: of every one of them and then add um something
Speaker 1: to it to catleput me to the next level. Because
Speaker 1: you know, we we black man, we were always looked
Speaker 1: at differently, um than than the others. And so to
Speaker 1: say it's it's safe to say that that that that's all. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a fair amount of racism going on in the
Speaker 1: World Wrestling Federation too. I could say that it's a
Speaker 1: fair amount of racism going around in the world everywhere, everywhere,
Speaker 1: But I just a little small pocket, right, No, no,
Speaker 1: let me let me. I'm being straight up with um.
Speaker 1: And I say that because no matter what you get
Speaker 1: to go, you're gonna get racism. Um. But in a
Speaker 1: company like UM, it was in business like professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: Just think about it, Um, You guys been the Ghetto
Speaker 1: Boys and so many other young um black kids growing up.
Speaker 1: We never thought about wrestling as our way out of it.
Speaker 1: Never did that of us thought about wrestling, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That was a sport that white guys did.
Speaker 1: That was a sport that you know, totally was you know,
Speaker 1: off limits for as us making it to the next
Speaker 1: level because we didn't see any of us at that
Speaker 1: next level. We didn't what we saw. We saw Tiger
Speaker 1: Conaway Jr. We saw Rocky Johnson and Junkyard Dog. We
Speaker 1: saw have access to that, we had Tony Atlas. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's for us being world champ, you know that,
Speaker 1: for us being able to look at that. Guys say, man,
Speaker 1: I want to do that, I want to be just
Speaker 1: like that. I can't I can't say that because my
Speaker 1: uncle rotten me and like he's a very cruel dude.
Speaker 1: Like I was a little smaller than him, I think
Speaker 1: like five six years older than me, and he was
Speaker 1: the World Wrestling Federation champ and my grandmother's bead. He
Speaker 1: the man, the man withou you jumping up in the
Speaker 1: man man and he'll jump and drop kicked me off
Speaker 1: the bed into the dough. But for me, I wanted
Speaker 1: to be UM. I wanted to be different. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be um considered world championship material, but more importantly,
Speaker 1: but more importantly, I wanted to just be the best
Speaker 1: guy in the locker room. You know, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know so. But it was it was a hell of
Speaker 1: a rude. Hey, I saw you with me and Jane
Speaker 1: and you said the N word though, yeah you know
Speaker 1: what that that that's been um that from the hood
Speaker 1: man and being caught up and and and totally um
Speaker 1: you know the moment because you know, everybody know what
Speaker 1: I was from. You know, everybody knew, you know, I
Speaker 1: had been to prison. Everybody know I didn't grow up
Speaker 1: with us. And the thing is I talked to um
Speaker 1: those guys because I'm in a business word, I'm the
Speaker 1: one percent. Okay, I'm the one percent. Um. So for me,
Speaker 1: Um saying that, I mean just to put it out
Speaker 1: that me saying the N word in front of that
Speaker 1: was just funny. No no, no, no no. But but
Speaker 1: but but I like this, no no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: but I like to educate on it. Um. My peers
Speaker 1: had never heard me say the N word before that
Speaker 1: are after that because that's just not war. I took
Speaker 1: my work. So I felt like when I did that
Speaker 1: old television in front of the world, I let a
Speaker 1: lot of young black kids that looked up to me. Now,
Speaker 1: even though it became an anthem, but for me there again,
Speaker 1: I teach my young people. You know, you gotta know
Speaker 1: how to change your levels. You know, just because you're
Speaker 1: in the hood, UM, don't mean that you gotta act
Speaker 1: like you in the hood all the time. So for me, Um,
Speaker 1: that moment I had to catch myself. It definitely was
Speaker 1: a moment that I educated it was sucking fire and
Speaker 1: we know it was an accident, and we know what
Speaker 1: was unintentional because you know you're standing up that would
Speaker 1: means zene man you fire. Imagine though, if that was
Speaker 1: to have been in I would have lost my job,
Speaker 1: and UM, my whole you know, landscape of my career
Speaker 1: would have changed, you know. So that's why I talk
Speaker 1: about UM. That's why I try to educate from this
Speaker 1: moment where because with young people, one mistake, one mistake,
Speaker 1: that's all it take to change the whole landscape of
Speaker 1: the way your life could have been. Yeah. Question, let
Speaker 1: me ask a question. Have you ever accidentally heard somebody
Speaker 1: real bad in the ring? Because that ship that y'all
Speaker 1: doing is like a lot of people think that's bullshit,
Speaker 1: But man, coming off the top rope with another body
Speaker 1: on you, that's the real deal. And you're not a
Speaker 1: little bitty do all that ship. No, I never heard
Speaker 1: anybody in the ring. UM. Wrestling for me, UM, it's
Speaker 1: always been an art. It's you know, it's a science. Um,
Speaker 1: it's um too. You know, suspend your imagination for that
Speaker 1: moment in time and make It's like going to see um,
Speaker 1: you know, a great magician, and you wonder how you
Speaker 1: make the person levitate. Uh, he knows exactly what he's
Speaker 1: doing and he's making you believe it. That's what I
Speaker 1: tried to do. Kind of. No, But the thing is
Speaker 1: also with wrestling for me from a perspective, unlike just say,
Speaker 1: for the instance, a lot of you know, the young
Speaker 1: guys you see coming up now, Um, if if I
Speaker 1: whack you, you know, I'd apologize for it. Um. But
Speaker 1: but it was it was like not ballet. You know,
Speaker 1: it was as raw as I possibly can get when
Speaker 1: I was in the ring, walking a very thin line
Speaker 1: because you know, it is um simulating a fight. And
Speaker 1: if you it's just like say, for instance, I tell
Speaker 1: my students, you don't actually have to know how to
Speaker 1: do it, but you have to look like you know
Speaker 1: how to do it very well. That's too too hall
Speaker 1: of fame rings. I want to be. Oh man, I
Speaker 1: found my way through Neil South Park, Texas. I was
Speaker 1: you know that the Stone Wrangler. You know what you
Speaker 1: gots man, you to up in that and you know,
Speaker 1: and for me it was easy. At what point did
Speaker 1: you move from U? What were playing leading? Right? Playing dealing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Plain dealing? Yeah yeah, plain dealing Louisiana. How does a
Speaker 1: kid from plain Dealing Louisiana make it to the international stage? Hey, man,
Speaker 1: my my mother, she still some some values in me, um,
Speaker 1: and they stick with me to this day. Please thank you, yes, ma'am. No, sir,
Speaker 1: it doesn't call she anything to be nice to people. Um.
Speaker 1: She brought us here when I was five years old,
Speaker 1: and and that right there was the beginning, UM seeing
Speaker 1: something totally different. Um as for his life. For my family, UM,
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest of eight and for myself and my
Speaker 1: sister were the entertainment in the family. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: we always wanted to be on soul trade. UM. So
Speaker 1: for me, entertainment now entertainment was was great. There again,
Speaker 1: I talked to you guys, don't want to perform to
Speaker 1: oh man, I wanted to be. I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Louis. At one point I really
Speaker 1: wanted to be. But it was yeah, being being fascinated
Speaker 1: man as a kid, Uh, growing up rocher Garty movies. UM,
Speaker 1: getting getting lost in time with with stuff like that
Speaker 1: because I wasn't a big I wouldn't. I wasn't big
Speaker 1: on school or anything like that, just because of my situation,
Speaker 1: UM that I was going through. I lost my mother
Speaker 1: when I was young kid. I lost my father when
Speaker 1: I was a young kid. So I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, you know, what was the next
Speaker 1: meal going to come from? Opposed to you know what
Speaker 1: it was, you know, like in English class next day,
Speaker 1: How old were you when you lost your mother and father?
Speaker 1: I lost my father when I was ten months and
Speaker 1: I lost my mother when I was thirteen. So so
Speaker 1: my you know, sister, Now we was gonna we were arfen.
Speaker 1: Um but um I talked to young people there again.
Speaker 1: I tell them, you know, you play the hand, your
Speaker 1: dealt um and and in life, you know, life is
Speaker 1: the hardy thing you're ever going to deal with. Um,
Speaker 1: you gotta figure it out. Um, you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: wait for someone else to figure it out for you.
Speaker 1: And then the thing is along the way figuring out,
Speaker 1: you gotta make some mistakes. Uh. And and the thing
Speaker 1: is you gotta learn from those mistakes. If you don't
Speaker 1: learn from those mistakes, you're gonna wind up in the
Speaker 1: same spot. How do how does one walk from the
Speaker 1: penitentiary into walk out of the penitentiary and into the
Speaker 1: wrestling world? Like how did you get that break? My brother? Um? Actually,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, my brother last Stevie Ray, Uh yeah, he
Speaker 1: was always love wrestling since we were kids. And he
Speaker 1: knew a guy, Ivan Putsky that was opening a wrestling
Speaker 1: school and yeah, yeah, guy that I was working for
Speaker 1: sponsored me to go to the wrestling school, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the pretty much the rest is history. But
Speaker 1: walking out of prison, you know, one thing that motivated
Speaker 1: me was the guy, the CEO on the white Horse.
Speaker 1: He said, I see you when you get back, you know,
Speaker 1: and and the thing is, and the thing is, I'm
Speaker 1: sure um he saw a lot of those guys lead
Speaker 1: that yard, you know, come right back over and over.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about making those same mistakes. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want. You know. My thing was the first time
Speaker 1: I was in the back of the police car, I
Speaker 1: ended up in prison. First time. Yeah, yeah, I never,
Speaker 1: I never. I had never been to jail before in
Speaker 1: my life. Um, the first time. That's why I say
Speaker 1: one mistake could change the hosts and girls. I'm telling
Speaker 1: no seriously and um and um so when when when
Speaker 1: he said that I see you when you get back,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I did not look at him like
Speaker 1: he was a racist or anything, even though he's white
Speaker 1: guy in the white white you know, big horns. I
Speaker 1: didn't look at him like he was a racist. I
Speaker 1: looked at him like, you know, he's saying that for
Speaker 1: he's one or two reasons he's he's saying it because
Speaker 1: you know it's something that could possibly happen, or to
Speaker 1: motivate me not to come back there. And that's what
Speaker 1: I used it for. And uh, I never you know,
Speaker 1: seen a prison sentence jail cell before after that. Do
Speaker 1: you ever use your celebrity to go back and speak
Speaker 1: at prisoners? At one point, I was doing that a
Speaker 1: whole lot. Um, right now I'm not doing it a
Speaker 1: whole lot, just because I got so many other business
Speaker 1: ventures and I'm working with kids on a regular basis. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm always about giving back. But you know it's force
Speaker 1: the prison system. You know the book, you know, the
Speaker 1: book is out, and um, I definitely make sure I
Speaker 1: spread it around. From prison promise, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: from prison promise, from promise ladies and gentleman, definitely, And
Speaker 1: uh that's so it's something that gets uh you know,
Speaker 1: you could you could read and it's what the thing
Speaker 1: with prisoner promises. You see my life and you see
Speaker 1: how it turned out. Anybody can do it if you
Speaker 1: put the work in. Yeah. Have you ever thought about
Speaker 1: doing your own um wrestling set up? Yeah? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about doing the coaching part. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's a promoter. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I
Speaker 1: got my own Reality of Wrestling. Yeah yeah, promotion. You know,
Speaker 1: we got five thousand subscribers and on YouTube that watch
Speaker 1: that show on a weekly basis, and um is the show.
Speaker 1: How can we find um? Just go to YouTube slash
Speaker 1: Reality of Wrestling check it out on the regular. Um.
Speaker 1: But we found my show in Texas City at arena
Speaker 1: at that book or t World Jim Arena, and uh
Speaker 1: we're out there every month, um doing it and trying
Speaker 1: to change something. Remember do you remember Paul Bosch a
Speaker 1: weather ring of Paul Bush. Yeah, that's right right here.
Speaker 1: Six years let me yeah, this ring is six years
Speaker 1: this Paul Boshes ring. Yeah. Man, Paul bosh Man, Texas
Speaker 1: legend man. Man, you know what do he represented? And
Speaker 1: and you know he was he was like a mentor
Speaker 1: to me. And you know, I never got a chance
Speaker 1: to meet him or anything like that, but I was
Speaker 1: a young kid, you know, from the opposite side of
Speaker 1: the tracks. But I saw exactly you know, his heart
Speaker 1: and what kind of person he was, Like I said,
Speaker 1: even though I never met him before. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: working with the the p A B. A. To Progressive
Speaker 1: Amateur Boxing Association. UM. He is the founder UM here
Speaker 1: in Houston for the Boys and Girls Club. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you, UM, but esperiually so for for me
Speaker 1: to see, you know, old white white guy, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to change. You know, young kids live no matter
Speaker 1: what color they were. You know, he definitely was inspiration.
Speaker 1: How did you get your hands on the ring? I
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money for it. I bought it,
Speaker 1: but I bought it from his wife. Yeah, his wife
Speaker 1: was selling the ring and she wanted to go to
Speaker 1: someone in Houston. UM that was close to the business.
Speaker 1: And I represent Paul Bosh. I keep his dreaming. So
Speaker 1: I feel like a superpower. You know what, man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. Ever since I bought this ring, UM,
Speaker 1: my wife told me I didn't have to wear my
Speaker 1: wedding ring. This is my this is will be my
Speaker 1: red ring going forward. UM. And I've I've had nothing
Speaker 1: but good luck through the pandemic. UM. A lot of
Speaker 1: people lost. UM. As for as wrestling schools, UM go,
Speaker 1: and my school grew exponentiously with as for students go. UM.
Speaker 1: Like I said, my YouTube channel went from a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand to five hundred thousand in one year, and UM,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, just say, for instance, UM, one of
Speaker 1: my students, her name is Angela, UM, came to me
Speaker 1: three years ago for kids camp. I'm sorry, UM, fantasy camp.
Speaker 1: It's the camp that I do on the weekend. And
Speaker 1: uh it's sixteen years old. And now she's nineteen and
Speaker 1: she's in the w W you know. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that right there is something for me. I'm more
Speaker 1: proud of, you know, being able to produce the next
Speaker 1: generation though, UM opposed to anything that I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1: But that's good for the company too. That's good for business.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just like like like uh this like like
Speaker 1: uh Sam, he was in college. Are you getting people
Speaker 1: in the Yeah yeah, we had three hundred people people
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Um yeah, yeah, no, definitely. That's so dope. Man.
Speaker 1: You you got your own game brewing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it's only gonna getting bigger. Man, you're sixteen years. Um,
Speaker 1: it doesn't you know, it seemed like it went back
Speaker 1: like that, but we've had our wrestling school now. Sixteen years.
Speaker 1: Sixteen years also marks another milestone. That's when you got married. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you're sixteen years married for sixteen years that going and oh, man,
Speaker 1: my wife, we were like a tag team that can't lose. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, she's my you know, my left hand. Uh, seriously,
Speaker 1: we do everything as a team. You know. We got
Speaker 1: ten year old twins and and it's um, it's been
Speaker 1: a journey for us. And you know, life is life
Speaker 1: is tricky. Uh, you know, you gotta really be all
Speaker 1: in when you you got you got something like this,
Speaker 1: when when specially when you're trying to build um at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's got to be a love that's stronger.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's my wife is my queen. She's
Speaker 1: my queen. Um, we've been together twenty years now, and
Speaker 1: uh it's still seem like we just got together just
Speaker 1: last week. How stupid we are and how we play
Speaker 1: around and dad hadn't left. You know, the fire is
Speaker 1: not gone or anything like that. It's amazing. So so
Speaker 1: what is give give us some relationship hecks man? You know, like,
Speaker 1: like what what makes it work for you? You know,
Speaker 1: as a man, you gotta you know, just you gotta
Speaker 1: be able to compromise as a man. Man, It's it's
Speaker 1: hard for a man to say, you know, he's wrong.
Speaker 1: It's hard for a man to say, you know, baby,
Speaker 1: you know you know you write about that. UM, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to um. You know, let let the
Speaker 1: wife have you know, certain responsibilities because you feel like
Speaker 1: you should have that responsibility. UM. It's got to be
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty thing. UM. As far as UM making
Speaker 1: decisions go, UM nothing. You know. It's just like say,
Speaker 1: for instance, UM, I have nothing UM to hide from
Speaker 1: my wife. You know, my phone ring, she can answer it. UM,
Speaker 1: I don't have a you know, a burner phone. I'm
Speaker 1: all in. You can't have one ft in and one
Speaker 1: ft out of the relationship because it's not gonna work. Trust.
Speaker 1: You know, the trust thing. It's gotta be plus percent
Speaker 1: um as far as a relationship go and then working. UM.
Speaker 1: And I know that because I was divorced and my
Speaker 1: um once and then my first wife. You know, she
Speaker 1: did not understand me going on the road and making
Speaker 1: money and UM having to you know, go to the
Speaker 1: bar a lot of times and get something to eat.
Speaker 1: And you know, because I'm in the bar, you know,
Speaker 1: she might think she's thinking it's a party going on
Speaker 1: because but but that's the only place we can get
Speaker 1: something to eat being a wrestler after a show. Um,
Speaker 1: they kept kitchen open force Uh. I asked my ex
Speaker 1: wife once, uh, and I say, uh, what do you
Speaker 1: think I I go when I leave on Friday and
Speaker 1: don't come back until Monday. And she said, I don't
Speaker 1: know where you go? And I went. I went in
Speaker 1: file for a divorce that day because I knew that
Speaker 1: relationship wasn't gonna work. But y'all gave it a good run.
Speaker 1: I was five years, five years, no kids, um um,
Speaker 1: and it was a it was a It was a
Speaker 1: rocky relationship for you know, three of those five years, honestly,
Speaker 1: you know. But I was wanted. I was the type
Speaker 1: that when I got married, I wanted it to be
Speaker 1: to death, do us part. And that right there. It's
Speaker 1: really really hard, um to be with someone and want
Speaker 1: to be there to death or do us part. And
Speaker 1: what I'm what I have now. It's the hardest thing
Speaker 1: in the world, thinking that I could lose my wife
Speaker 1: one day, you know. But I gotta be able to
Speaker 1: look at the life straight in the face because that's
Speaker 1: my woman. I love her, you know, So that's what
Speaker 1: life is. We got two kids together, and I got
Speaker 1: one kid he's thirty four years old and he's right
Speaker 1: now in prison. Uh for the same thing that I
Speaker 1: did back when I was in youngster aggravated robbery. Um
Speaker 1: and um Why he didn't learn the lesson that that
Speaker 1: I learned. Why he didn't learn the lesson that I
Speaker 1: tried to teach so many other kids right now? Um Man,
Speaker 1: that's a hard question to answer. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: Where did I go wrong? You know, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that. You know I have the same case on
Speaker 1: my record, right and you know, I'm sure Like for me,
Speaker 1: when I was going through my situation and I was
Speaker 1: going through the process to court and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, dealing with commissary not seeing your family
Speaker 1: members and your girlfriend and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: I had already made up my mind when I was
Speaker 1: sitting there watching those damn television commercials that's showing the
Speaker 1: food you see, Like, I don't know if if anybody
Speaker 1: has ever been in jail, can tell you food has
Speaker 1: never looked more delicious? How bad when you're in jail
Speaker 1: when you see even pizza man, when you see pizza
Speaker 1: when they just show you the pizza like and the
Speaker 1: cheese man you'd be like, man, I got to get
Speaker 1: the hell out of that Popeye's chicken. Man that the
Speaker 1: flakes on that it'd be just sold. Be like right,
Speaker 1: my mind up while I was in there and I
Speaker 1: wasn't going back, And some guys they'll be in the
Speaker 1: man and they'd be thinking like, well, if I had
Speaker 1: just done this, I wouldn't have got caught off. When
Speaker 1: I get out, I'm gonna do it a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna still do what I did. Institutional. My brother,
Speaker 1: he's institute. Warn Yeah. I mean he go to jail
Speaker 1: every fifteen minutes right now. He not yet because I
Speaker 1: just like, maybe a couple of months off. I mean,
Speaker 1: he cool, but but I'm pretty sure he don't want
Speaker 1: to go back home for a little while because that's
Speaker 1: hopefully one hopefully got to figure out. But every since
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, he's been going. You know, that's the way,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's the way some people life. He is.
Speaker 1: Some people get to a point to where jail is
Speaker 1: the new him for him. A lot of people feel
Speaker 1: like once they go through that, that's as far as
Speaker 1: they're gonna go. Um for me, Um, I knew jail
Speaker 1: was not the place for me. You know what I knew.
Speaker 1: I never saw myself throughout my life time. You know,
Speaker 1: I never imagined myself going to jail as a kid
Speaker 1: just because I was a good kid. I wasn't a
Speaker 1: bad kid, all right. I wasn't a kid that was
Speaker 1: out there trying to get in the ship and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get in trouble robbing and the stealing and stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that just wasn't me. Um, he was a
Speaker 1: good kid that did a bad thing. Well, I just
Speaker 1: was I got caught up. I talked about being in
Speaker 1: that whirlwind. You know, once you're once you're in the cycle,
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't get out into a stop. Um.
Speaker 1: And for me, I was in the cycle, and you
Speaker 1: know what, and I wasn't gonna you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get out. I was having fun, you know,
Speaker 1: even in that moment, you know, the chase, even you
Speaker 1: know with the robberies, it was you know, it was
Speaker 1: a it was kind of like a kick from from
Speaker 1: a perspective, not understanding what life is really about and
Speaker 1: what were that kid could actually take me? Um. And
Speaker 1: then when I got in jail, you know, my sentence
Speaker 1: range from five to ninety nine and then I stopped
Speaker 1: taking out Okay, whole life flash. Yes, so you're like
Speaker 1: convenience stories or we were robbing up fast food restaurants. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know fast food restaurants. Really Listen, now, well, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna tell nobody what to do, Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to tell somebody what to do. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a certain convenience too, uh robbing fast
Speaker 1: food restaurants. I'm just saying, what's the convenient. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, like you get the prize of the burg
Speaker 1: on the way out reaching the I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: the convenient. Well, most food fast food restaurants, Uh, you
Speaker 1: know they're safe in that room, right and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can just get to the manager, you know,
Speaker 1: like come on, you know you can do that at
Speaker 1: any bake. Why go to the restaurant? Well, well, well,
Speaker 1: well the bank has more levels and and also the
Speaker 1: bank is federal, so they're taking a lot more personally
Speaker 1: the bank. But if you go inside of a restaurant, uh,
Speaker 1: then certain things fast food restaurant normally normally they keep
Speaker 1: it normally they keep the safe safe open. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: not normally, not normally, but it's it's it's not hard
Speaker 1: to get them. Now, here's a deal they wanted. Now
Speaker 1: having said that, boys and girls, please do not try
Speaker 1: this at home. It is a horrible idea because here's
Speaker 1: the thing about this thing about robbering, just like selling dope. Eventually, yea,
Speaker 1: eventually you will get caught. Because here's it's what happens
Speaker 1: is that most people they will continue to do get
Speaker 1: It's hard to miss that fast, getting money that fast,
Speaker 1: that easy. Like I mean, Pablo Escobar, you know, somebody
Speaker 1: who had had millions and millions of dollars who could
Speaker 1: have retired, but he said, man, I gotta keep making
Speaker 1: this money. I think that when you that goddamn how
Speaker 1: you can't retire. Well, I'm just saying, you know, but
Speaker 1: but just think about this money. Just think about the
Speaker 1: boys down there in Atlanta. You know who's making all
Speaker 1: that money back in the day, you know, you know
Speaker 1: the boys, uh Big Beach, the boys, Um, they were
Speaker 1: making so much money. But it just seems like but
Speaker 1: it seems like you have enough money they want to
Speaker 1: walk away from it and and do something with just
Speaker 1: calling your man the game. I think I think Also
Speaker 1: I think that, like, I think that the lifestyle really
Speaker 1: is addictive, just like any other I think the lifestyle,
Speaker 1: I think and in the same winning that money and
Speaker 1: that money come that fast. Look man, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean you're like cry story. You're like crying story. Look
Speaker 1: at John Gotti. John Gotti, he was all in. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm a gamester, you know. He said, I'm going to easy,
Speaker 1: to go to prison. I'm gonna die one or two. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna do my thing. So I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: getting caught up in that lifestyle. But um, you know, man,
Speaker 1: it's life is is is so quick, and when you
Speaker 1: got that kind of money, you could definitely, um live
Speaker 1: it the way you want for a lone time. Why
Speaker 1: you know, cash out like that. That's what I want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's like what I said,
Speaker 1: I talked about fast food stories. No, no, I ain't
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm talking about making big money like
Speaker 1: these guys. And why can't you walk away from from
Speaker 1: the game. The game is addictive. I've been in the game,
Speaker 1: um um, but prison made me see that. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be in the game, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to do something legal and make some some real
Speaker 1: money and live life. You know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: I don't know what that lifestyle is like. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel, but it's got to feel good.
Speaker 1: That is in money in wrestling for the individual. I
Speaker 1: know it's money in in wrestling for the actual promoter
Speaker 1: because we have paid three, four or five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for seats in the damn Toyota Center. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Summit. I'm lying in the Summit, man, to go
Speaker 1: see some some damn wrestling shows. Man. And it ain't
Speaker 1: no different than the rap game. You know. The guys
Speaker 1: who are the guys that top make the money to
Speaker 1: guys you know, that's you know, drawing your house. They
Speaker 1: make the money to God, that's some of the most merchandise.
Speaker 1: You know. He's you know, making money, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very very lucative bitch. Um. I
Speaker 1: got a million dollar house, you know, so I've very
Speaker 1: well for myself here wrestling was a champion though. Man,
Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. How
Speaker 1: are you making up in the bag. That's just like
Speaker 1: in any other spoord and thing is it's like you
Speaker 1: just said, you know, the promoters making his money. But
Speaker 1: the promoter what's the guy's name? But but but but
Speaker 1: the promoter is going to make his money. But if
Speaker 1: you get caught up, but caught up with how much
Speaker 1: money he's making, then you really get lost. You get lost,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I at thinking about
Speaker 1: how much money you making? You negotiating for yourself exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: And when when when young folks get out there and
Speaker 1: you know, get ahead of themselves to start, that's exactly,
Speaker 1: that's when they can blow a million dollar deal up.
Speaker 1: You know much money. You know what happens. I'd like
Speaker 1: to say it's a million dollars a show for something
Speaker 1: for some wrestlers. Oh no, a wrestler don't make a
Speaker 1: million dollars per show. Um. Wrestlers are contracted and they
Speaker 1: make as much money as you know, um, their start
Speaker 1: power take them um as far as you know, how
Speaker 1: higher up you're on the card. Um if you're in
Speaker 1: the main event. Uh, certain pay per views, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Stuff like that? Don't you in a
Speaker 1: pay per views? They definitely definitely if you, like I say,
Speaker 1: if you uh the bush, everybody don't get that everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you a main event guy and wrestling, um,
Speaker 1: these days, you're making easier lill. You know, throwing back
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about about the about how
Speaker 1: you get caught up trying to count somebody else's money
Speaker 1: instead of being focused on your own. Uh, this happens
Speaker 1: a lot in the music industry where I know, like
Speaker 1: very talented people they're so like obsessed with nobody fucking
Speaker 1: over them that they end up sucking themselves because you
Speaker 1: gotta take a chance, Like I mean, you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta take a chance. And I'm gonna tell you, like
Speaker 1: for anybody out that that's inspiring. If you're coming into
Speaker 1: the game, more than likely you're not gonna start at
Speaker 1: the top with paid Your pay grade is not going
Speaker 1: to be on the level of those guys that inspired
Speaker 1: you to get in the game. You know, Like if
Speaker 1: you look at from from Michael Jackson and Stevie Want,
Speaker 1: all of these guys, Elvis everybody started somewhere and all
Speaker 1: I'm said, my first deal, gon, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: get your foot in doing Some of these guys they're
Speaker 1: never gonna get in the door because they're really just
Speaker 1: totally obsessed with this thing about not getting fun. Well,
Speaker 1: they really don't understand. I came in just say, first,
Speaker 1: just when I first joined um W c W company
Speaker 1: I was with before w W f WW. My first
Speaker 1: contract was seventy five dollars okay, now seventy dollars for
Speaker 1: me as a kid coming out of South Park A year.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like, man, I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can do that. And uh. But it was guys
Speaker 1: that was nowhere near talented as I was making two
Speaker 1: d fifty thousand, and I'm like, I could have been
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like hey known that whatnot? Um,
Speaker 1: But I said, I gotta get my foot in the
Speaker 1: door before I can start making any moves. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then once I get my foot in the door, things
Speaker 1: that happened. At the end of the of that company,
Speaker 1: I was making more money than all those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at seventy five k. How does that money dispersed? Like
Speaker 1: is it? Is it over a number of fights? And
Speaker 1: how does that go? Um? It's you get a check
Speaker 1: in the mail every every every other week. It's not
Speaker 1: over a matter of fights. You know. I had a
Speaker 1: guaranteed countract SEV year seventy five a year. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was my first contract. Yeah, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: my my first contract, I don't know. I may have worked,
Speaker 1: um hundred fifty days out of that year. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think about it was seventy five dollars from
Speaker 1: compared to my last job making fifteen thousand. Absolutely, you
Speaker 1: think about the UFC fighting, you know what, I love
Speaker 1: the um to to talk about it. I love uh,
Speaker 1: you know, um watching it, um, but I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: any of my you know, friends to do it. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's not a sport that the human body was meant
Speaker 1: to do. Well, it's it's like, well, the thing is,
Speaker 1: I would like it a heart. I would like them,
Speaker 1: I would like exactly. I wouldn't like it a whole
Speaker 1: lot more if those guys got paid more. They don't
Speaker 1: get paid no whole hell of a lot of money.
Speaker 1: You know what. The top guys, well, the top guys
Speaker 1: get paid, UM, get money, but you know, they don't
Speaker 1: make more money than the top professional wrestler you know,
Speaker 1: nowhere near it, you know. And and when you see
Speaker 1: those guys going out there and beat themselves up on
Speaker 1: a on a regular basis, you know, in their careers
Speaker 1: only last most of them three to four years. I've
Speaker 1: seen so many of those guys start their career and
Speaker 1: finished their career. It's not even funny. Um in their
Speaker 1: careers after this over with, you know what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do after that? You know, So most of them having
Speaker 1: you know, over their career, just say finished and then
Speaker 1: the UFC eight years and you look up how much
Speaker 1: money that they've made, just say they made three point
Speaker 1: five billion dollars and eight years. That's like, that's like
Speaker 1: working every day. It's like having a regular job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you gotta wait a minute, wait a minute, three
Speaker 1: point five and eight years. When you got a house,
Speaker 1: a wife, um, kids, insurance taxes that that three So
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's more like you know, considering considering taxes,
Speaker 1: first of all, that's about three hundred thousand a year.
Speaker 1: And then if you got family and house and cars
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's still
Speaker 1: that's still the average person going on how you live. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that three hundred thousand dollars a year. For me, that's
Speaker 1: not you know, you know, that's not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of money. Like I said, when you got kids and
Speaker 1: you know, wife that you gotta get a hat of
Speaker 1: nails done. You know, wife, they got to get their
Speaker 1: heads and nails done. Man. Man, they don't know how
Speaker 1: serious that is. Not have a black woman EASi serious her, miles, Man,
Speaker 1: you might want to go outside the race just for
Speaker 1: that alone. Hey, happy, I'm not saying no, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying nothing. I was told my wife I was married
Speaker 1: a white woman before we ever got married. I told
Speaker 1: my wife I'm married a white woman. Now, why why
Speaker 1: did you telling? Because it was afting experience I had
Speaker 1: with my first wife and we were out, was having
Speaker 1: in Vegas, her a bunch of her friends. We were
Speaker 1: just talking and that's I'd never married black woman again.
Speaker 1: Her end up getting married. We've been together for twenty years.
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm gonna show you because you know,
Speaker 1: women like having first wife had nails alone. Right. Have
Speaker 1: you ever looked into like getting into like acting and stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: you've been in a few films right already. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like going all the way. I've been in the front
Speaker 1: of the camera for thirty years, and uh, I like producing.
Speaker 1: I like being behind the camera. I still have to
Speaker 1: do stuff, you know, in front of the camera. Now,
Speaker 1: but it's not a place that I really want to be,
Speaker 1: even though I'm comfortable there. But I just I'm just
Speaker 1: so past that part of my life. UM, and I
Speaker 1: just want to do something else. It's not about me anymore. UM.
Speaker 1: It's far as being in front of the camera. I
Speaker 1: just like being relevant these days. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the start. I don't want to be the guy
Speaker 1: in front. I like being you know, low keying behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. Um. But but staying relevant it's really really cool. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'll give props. You know. I always say, you're never
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy that's always on top. Um, somebody's
Speaker 1: always gonna boom take that spot, boom boom boo. But
Speaker 1: the people to stay relevant and being played, you know,
Speaker 1: it's very very important for me. I like that bad
Speaker 1: buddy he wrote a song about me, and uh and
Speaker 1: he got it book or team and you know, we
Speaker 1: did the video, and um, I said, man, that's really
Speaker 1: really cool, man, for a young Puerto Rican kid write
Speaker 1: a song about me and keeps me relevant from my
Speaker 1: whole different genre and then a totally totally different form
Speaker 1: of entertainment and go, wow, that's pretty pretty cool. So
Speaker 1: sometimes you have you need someone else to keep you relevant.
Speaker 1: But you gotta you know, but you gotta know how
Speaker 1: to you know, keep yourself in the game. You know,
Speaker 1: always oh yeah, but that's the thing, you know, But
Speaker 1: that's the thing, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate that so much. Um coming, I can say from
Speaker 1: a kid all the way across the water that doesn't
Speaker 1: even speak English and he's watching me on television and
Speaker 1: he goes, that's the guy, you know that I like,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's humbling in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. But but I'm always about the future. I'm
Speaker 1: always about reinventing myself. You know. I'd say, if I
Speaker 1: had a flat top of the fade, you know, we
Speaker 1: would probably be having this conversation because you know, I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't, you know, continue to move on. So I
Speaker 1: had to change the way I looked aged what you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I do things from a certain perspective just
Speaker 1: to keep up with young people. You know, I gotta saying,
Speaker 1: you know, um, we said respect your oldest for years,
Speaker 1: I say respect your young people. I work with a
Speaker 1: lot of young people because they in the future and
Speaker 1: they definitely know how to create in this world. That
Speaker 1: we're living in right now, so you know, just knowing
Speaker 1: how to you know, keep up with the times or
Speaker 1: the times and pass you by what I like to,
Speaker 1: you know, think about more than anything. Yeah, what about
Speaker 1: that that dog? Didn't you have a dog? About thirty
Speaker 1: action figures? Yeah, that's what's cool, man. I never a
Speaker 1: kid come and grow up growing up in South Park.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't dream and stuff like that. You
Speaker 1: don't think about that kind of stuff. But you know
Speaker 1: it's cool, you know, it's it's all. Uh, I love it,
Speaker 1: you know. But I'd never look at myself like other
Speaker 1: people look at me. All right. I don't look at
Speaker 1: myself in the mirror and seeing nobody else other than Junior,
Speaker 1: the kid who grew up you know, you know I'm
Speaker 1: still the same person. I never can look at myself
Speaker 1: like other people look at me. Uh, I'll lose focus
Speaker 1: on get what I'm really here for. I don't look
Speaker 1: at but I don't look at myself as a celebrity
Speaker 1: like every like most people do. Um, I'm humble. I'm humble.
Speaker 1: I'm very humble because you know, I know how hard
Speaker 1: it is to get there, and I know how fast
Speaker 1: you could go away from How do you maintain your
Speaker 1: control when somebody who knows your history knows who you are?
Speaker 1: You book a tedious international celebrity, they know you are,
Speaker 1: you're a tough guy. How do you maintain control when
Speaker 1: you know somebody's trying to push that button to get
Speaker 1: a reaction? I go, I give him the reaction? Name one.
Speaker 1: You damn right, every time? Every time, just like just
Speaker 1: just say first, I want to go. I went out
Speaker 1: to eat one day, me my wife, and it was
Speaker 1: just a couple sitting right here and we're standing right
Speaker 1: here waiting to get our table. Okay, and uh we
Speaker 1: wait maybe ten minutes so they're getting They finally give
Speaker 1: us a table, give us a table over here, we
Speaker 1: sat down or our food person still sitting over there.
Speaker 1: They're eating their food. They finished eating their food. They
Speaker 1: come over the over to my table as I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready to start eating my food and go said, can
Speaker 1: I get an autograph? I said, I say, hey, b
Speaker 1: excuse me. You know I'm eating right now. If you
Speaker 1: catch me after that finish eating, you know, outside it
Speaker 1: He goes, and he goes, oh, man, you know you
Speaker 1: don't have to be an asshole. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to autography. The funk with you was when you was
Speaker 1: eating your food. I said, did that funk with you?
Speaker 1: Did I funk with you when you was inating your food?
Speaker 1: You know, get the funk out of here. So I'm
Speaker 1: human just like you are. I got emotions just like
Speaker 1: you are, like you do. And I'll go there just
Speaker 1: because I feel like I can protect myself. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just that simple. No, No, it's just but but
Speaker 1: if someone you know is trying to irk me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to But but like I say,
Speaker 1: I have a say, um, it doesn't cost me anything
Speaker 1: to be nice to people. That person could have had
Speaker 1: that same consideration, but he didn't. You see, I don't know.
Speaker 1: See I gotta tick in my head. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to think that I could maintain
Speaker 1: control and I think about these type of things, but
Speaker 1: I want to maintain control, like listen, man, But I
Speaker 1: don't know what had happened if somebody tried me like
Speaker 1: I don't. They might on a particular date, I might
Speaker 1: you know, I might let it slide on another date.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that I might knock the head.
Speaker 1: I might be checked it and shake for me. I'm
Speaker 1: I like I like to test myself. I like being
Speaker 1: confrontational sometimes if somebody, if somebody, you know, rub me
Speaker 1: the wrong way, I'll get confrontational a heartbeat. And just
Speaker 1: because I still feel like I can protect myself, I
Speaker 1: still want to know if I I still want to
Speaker 1: get in the fight every now and then. But but
Speaker 1: conflict is costly, right, you know, conflict is costly. Even
Speaker 1: if you win, you could take a nail. And and and
Speaker 1: that's and what I mean by that is that you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, you gotta watch you back, especially you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta always watch your back. Anytime you get into
Speaker 1: a physical confrontation with someone, you have to watch your back.
Speaker 1: And another thing is that let's say you beat the
Speaker 1: head in you, you go to jail. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Now, you gotta get gotta deal with lawyers.
Speaker 1: You gotta have this jury. Sometimes that is not that
Speaker 1: don't that don't don't you can't. You ain't gonna never
Speaker 1: stop being a man, if you know, it's just the
Speaker 1: way I don't know, that's that's the way I am.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still the same kid it that was running
Speaker 1: around on the streets, I got my I got you know,
Speaker 1: I got money. Now. I mean, I'm you know, a
Speaker 1: person that people saying they know I'm somewhat famous whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I'm still the same person that I've always been
Speaker 1: and I don't ever want to stop being, you know,
Speaker 1: the person being able to man up and and and
Speaker 1: tell a person man funk off, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: because there again, if someone put you in that position
Speaker 1: to have to say that. I don't know. For me,
Speaker 1: it's a release. My wife she always gets. She always like, baby,
Speaker 1: don't your baby, baby. You know what I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. You know you was telling you,
Speaker 1: was talking to tell it was the kids came to
Speaker 1: my house one time. Let me tell you what happened
Speaker 1: to me. I was at my house on a Sunday
Speaker 1: because I was on the road. Um, I was wrestling
Speaker 1: at the time. I had an ice pack on my knee,
Speaker 1: was football on, sitting there watching television, and I have
Speaker 1: a gat around my house and the doorbell was ringing.
Speaker 1: I gotta give a bell out there. D D D
Speaker 1: D D D D D over and over and over. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell. I'll go to the in
Speaker 1: a calm I say, who is it? You know, here's
Speaker 1: some voice to say his book or tea here and
Speaker 1: go to the door now. And I opened the door
Speaker 1: and I'll go, you know, what do you guys want
Speaker 1: to go? Who was some water girls? One is on
Speaker 1: the gold cart, one is on on a on a
Speaker 1: mini bike. I go, teenagers. One's eighteen, one's nineteen. So
Speaker 1: they're they're eight, they're of age, they're grown as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. Um, And I told him, look, guys,
Speaker 1: get away from my house. I don't sign autographs at
Speaker 1: my house. And and the kids said, well, fuck you didn't, nigger.
Speaker 1: They took off on their mini biking motors and a
Speaker 1: little up gold cart. I go to jump in ice
Speaker 1: pack with flying off my knee and stopped hurting. Not
Speaker 1: my adrenaline and endorphins went everywhere. I go jump in
Speaker 1: the hummer. And my wife like, baby, let me go
Speaker 1: with you. And I took off, you know, go down
Speaker 1: to the end of the street. Get if I look,
Speaker 1: can't see, if my turn right, just to see if
Speaker 1: I go this way, they might be down there. Finally
Speaker 1: I saw both of them, one of them on a
Speaker 1: little mini bike. He went down this little area why
Speaker 1: I couldn't go in my hummer, but the one of
Speaker 1: the gold card, I cut him off. That's what I'm saying. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: when you get pisched off, you go a place that
Speaker 1: you know you normally would go. Um. The kid on
Speaker 1: the gold cart, he went through these people's yard and
Speaker 1: he's literally doing dough nuts in this gold card and
Speaker 1: these people's jars, probably a million two billion dollar house.
Speaker 1: You know. Those people came out the next day wondering
Speaker 1: what the hell just happened? Like it comes out on
Speaker 1: the street. I followed him in by hammer right, I
Speaker 1: get up on his back. He goes to these other
Speaker 1: people's yard and the chain comes off the gold card.
Speaker 1: I put the hummering park and I power walk to
Speaker 1: him and I said, you better not run. I grabbed
Speaker 1: him by the back of his head. Open my hommer door,
Speaker 1: and I threw him in the hommer. Okay, now get
Speaker 1: in the other side. Let's say call me that. Now
Speaker 1: called say it again, and you know, he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, it was my friend. Is. My friend
Speaker 1: said take me to your house. Man, I want you
Speaker 1: to tell your mother exactly what you told me. So
Speaker 1: we're going to his house. Before we get a couple
Speaker 1: of blocks. It's like four police cars behind me, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, just like you just see I gotta get
Speaker 1: that each other. But now I get out of the
Speaker 1: car and the cop goes of what's going on, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and I tell him exactly. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't get the trouble or anything. Um, But if I
Speaker 1: go there, I'm gonna go there, and I don't accept
Speaker 1: the consequences when they come. Um. It's just like going
Speaker 1: to court. You know. You know, if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you, if you gotta lie,
Speaker 1: you gotta think. I feel like I always try to
Speaker 1: feel like the truth is gonna be on my side
Speaker 1: because you know, I have nothing to lie about and
Speaker 1: hopefully that a workout for me. My word has been
Speaker 1: that's bad. Wait a minute. That wasn't a kid. He
Speaker 1: was a crown as man. He was he was grown man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was sharing with with Book of t earlier that
Speaker 1: I had a similar story, Like we were talking about
Speaker 1: this kid, these little white kids that were these kids?
Speaker 1: Why are you talking about I didn't want to make presumptions,
Speaker 1: you know, they said, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: would have I would have did the same thing. If
Speaker 1: they were black kids. So I'm at home on the weekend,
Speaker 1: like it's early. Nope, I'm the type of dude that
Speaker 1: nobody rings my bell that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: if you knock on my door, I got to already
Speaker 1: know that who it is. So I hear to do
Speaker 1: a bell ring, I wake up. It's like nine o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. I come through in my role. I
Speaker 1: got the shotgun hanging. I got my shotgun hanging, and
Speaker 1: I just opened it, or I could have looked out
Speaker 1: the window, but I wanted to let them know it's
Speaker 1: a man in his house. So I just big confortation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: confortation opened the door and it's like four little white
Speaker 1: kids standard outside and they're like, uh sorry, Mr D
Speaker 1: really D, can we get an autograph? And I was like,
Speaker 1: you got the shot good by your leg. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, be careful now because I would have shot you.
Speaker 1: But but I want to. I went ahead and gave
Speaker 1: the kids some autographs. But but but after that point,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. Every house that I've lived in
Speaker 1: Sensus had been gating, oh man. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know people these days, you don't know why didn't knock.
Speaker 1: I've had people knock on my my my actually read
Speaker 1: that bell at midnight. Um literally, But you know, actually
Speaker 1: for me, you know, so you just never know um
Speaker 1: with people these days, so you gotta be confrontational sometimes.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm I'm very I'm like I'm like
Speaker 1: a pit bull, especially like with my family, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm always thinking about them as well,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you For me, I know, I'll put my
Speaker 1: families safety before mine any day of the week. I
Speaker 1: don't I take a bullet, no matter what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just know I would give a bullet. I'll give
Speaker 1: one exactly what I'm saying and then take the consequences
Speaker 1: of what happened. Um, just because I'm still that person,
Speaker 1: I'll never want to lose that. Yeah, you should only
Speaker 1: want to make sure I can get away with it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think I think the key is to to have
Speaker 1: the intention of getting If your life is an imminent danger,
Speaker 1: you can pop. And that's what That's what nobody comes.
Speaker 1: We texted, Yeah, if your life is an imminent danger,
Speaker 1: you should. It doesn't necessarily mean that that they won't
Speaker 1: try to drag you off into a courtroom. Are you
Speaker 1: going to court. Yeah, you're going to jail. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: your firearms getting confiscated, right yeah, well yeah, yeah. It
Speaker 1: all depends on it. It depends on how zealous the
Speaker 1: prosecuted is brown, black, and I live in the state
Speaker 1: of Texas. Every every prosecutor go ahead, every prosecutor trying
Speaker 1: to move up to judge. You know. So you know
Speaker 1: when I was, when I was in uh the county jail,
Speaker 1: this judge, his name was you may have heard of.
Speaker 1: His nator's name was Judge Ted pol And I say,
Speaker 1: human being with caution. You just see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm talking about. You know. Sometimes like
Speaker 1: uh like just making a joke but being dead as serious. Man,
Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, what about Kamala Kamala Harris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Kamala, but she didn't locked him on the Ted.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say, Hey man, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you right now, man, that that name ring fear to
Speaker 1: every sale in the county. Man just hoping and praying
Speaker 1: that they didn't go before judge that pope because they
Speaker 1: knew they was gonna get a whole lot of times
Speaker 1: he locked up his son. Hey man, you know, so
Speaker 1: that that everybody in that business, you know, they're trying
Speaker 1: to move up. That that's the system. That's the system
Speaker 1: of it. It ain't about saving lives. It's about, you know,
Speaker 1: how much money I can make. Remember that time, to
Speaker 1: remember that time when the uh when he told a
Speaker 1: guy that having any steps, it takes for you to
Speaker 1: get up to them to the bench, that's how many years?
Speaker 1: How many years? And in the dude roll and he
Speaker 1: let him go. I didn't hear that story, but he
Speaker 1: was notorious for those types of star man. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: dude rolled up there to him and he met him.
Speaker 1: Go hey, man, like I said, Man, that that name
Speaker 1: ring Fear and and that right there, that right there
Speaker 1: just lets you know how big of a game it
Speaker 1: really is. You know, if the if the guys in
Speaker 1: the cell block no, a certain judge's name and and
Speaker 1: that name could totally determine you know, their life, yeah,
Speaker 1: the rest of it. Yeah, it's amazing and it's cold
Speaker 1: blooded that that man we want to with another man
Speaker 1: in that position, unless he was a rapist or a
Speaker 1: child murderer or some ship like that. But just because
Speaker 1: the man, you know, I was trying to feed his
Speaker 1: family and he was hustling, you know. Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: these him with this ship in the first place. Some
Speaker 1: of these judges and prosecutors, they are who they convict,
Speaker 1: you know, they are who they sent to jail. You know,
Speaker 1: they are that that and that's the irony of having
Speaker 1: a human beings sit in judgment of another human being.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes they are the person who they persecute and prosecute.
Speaker 1: Why are the sentencing guidelines different for black people than
Speaker 1: it is for white people? Yeah? Why why can't Timmy
Speaker 1: get caught with I mean, it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that's nothing to do with race. Well, the thing
Speaker 1: is who wrote the laws? I mean, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1: Let me straighten that out because something some food out
Speaker 1: there probably listening to the podcast and going like, what
Speaker 1: did you say? That have nothing to do with race?
Speaker 1: All right, dummy, listen, we know what it is. We
Speaker 1: know what it is. I mean it's America, man, I
Speaker 1: mean that's what it is. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was written that way. I mean, it didn't happen
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, how you making stop if that judge
Speaker 1: sentence that black dude for more time? Than she sentenced
Speaker 1: that white guy. Then I feel like the judge need
Speaker 1: to do the remainder that time when she gets popped.
Speaker 1: You know the way the way I look at that dude,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, just to be real. That's the
Speaker 1: only way I can keep it. It's real. I talked
Speaker 1: about this all the time, you know, we we're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, the centisen guy's lines and this and
Speaker 1: that and whatnot the other that. I think that's one
Speaker 1: part of the problem. Um. I think the bigger part
Speaker 1: of the problem is putting yourself in that situation. You
Speaker 1: know what to deal with from the beginning. You put
Speaker 1: yourself in that situation and you get caught. Um I
Speaker 1: said it, I said it earlier. Um As for my situation, go,
Speaker 1: I played the hand that I was dealt. Okay, now
Speaker 1: you find yourself in in front of Ted Poele, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal to hand. You you you're dealt
Speaker 1: because you put yourself in that situation. Got sentienson God lives,
Speaker 1: yet they should be a whole lot different than they are.
Speaker 1: But um, I said Mike Tyson having that young eighteen
Speaker 1: year old girl in his hotel room at two o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. He put himself in that situation for
Speaker 1: that to happen. She put herself. No, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: she wasn't grown, But that ain't what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: ain't what I'm saying. I'm saying Mike Tyson put himself
Speaker 1: in a position that he didn't have to be in.
Speaker 1: If Mike Tyson wanted the piece of ass, all he
Speaker 1: had to do was make a phone call and it
Speaker 1: would have been straight. I mean, we're in this we're
Speaker 1: sitting here in this room right now. If a young
Speaker 1: woman come in this room and then leave out this
Speaker 1: room and the young woman came out women, if this
Speaker 1: young woman came in this room and started doing something,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, No, no, wait a minute. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just letting you know. I'm talking about put
Speaker 1: yourself in the situation, because I've been in the situation.
Speaker 1: War I'm in the hotel room and all the cocaine
Speaker 1: come out. Okay, I could stay there, do the cocaine
Speaker 1: if I want to, and then I could leave that room.
Speaker 1: And then uh that that. That next day I go
Speaker 1: go to work and they said, you got a drug
Speaker 1: test today. I gotta deal. I gotta deal with the consequence.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that I put myself in that different. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's different. Different. We're talking about consenting adults. And we
Speaker 1: let me said, we're talking about adults. What we know.
Speaker 1: What we know is we're talking about adults, right, and
Speaker 1: we all know that if you have two wrong folks
Speaker 1: who are in a hotel room, you know what mind
Speaker 1: you two o'clock in the morning, two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: we know what go down? All right? The only reason
Speaker 1: and this could have this could have this could have happened.
Speaker 1: First of all, this could have happened to anybody when Mike,
Speaker 1: when Michael did no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it could happen. It couldn't have happened to anybody. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you I've been in this situation. I
Speaker 1: have to before. I've been in this situation before with
Speaker 1: the young lady and and and she said, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think I want to do that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And the first thing I say is, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get up and let's get How do we know
Speaker 1: Mike didn't say that? Well, how do we know he did? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: we don't. And that's why that's why the press, because anybody, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: watch this, watch this. I'm with a young woman. And
Speaker 1: and and then like let's just say, let's just say,
Speaker 1: whatever happened, I decide, you know what, you decided you
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything. And I say, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll see later. And you walk out, and now you
Speaker 1: how at me? You get that? You know what? I
Speaker 1: should just say he tried to rape me. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let me say that. Well, so she might have wanted something,
Speaker 1: perhaps because it was like, funk that I'm not giving
Speaker 1: you anything. Maybe okay, I got something for your ass,
Speaker 1: you know what. And that's and don't you guys, you
Speaker 1: guys are missing the point. The point is Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: put himself in a situation for something to happen. That's
Speaker 1: just that's okay, what I'm what I'm saying. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that what I'm saying is that all of
Speaker 1: us put ourselves in a situation for something. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not true. That's not true because like I just
Speaker 1: I just gave you a scenario about the cocaine coming out.
Speaker 1: But that's your choice. No, thats no, that's not that's
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. It's not that. That's not apples
Speaker 1: to apples. Okay, okay, no, watch this, Watch this, Watch this.
Speaker 1: We're we're all um, We're all in um in the
Speaker 1: club together. We're sitting in the section. We're sitting there,
Speaker 1: We're sitting in the Let me get you another. Ah,
Speaker 1: we're all sitting in the club together. We're in the
Speaker 1: v I P section chilling. I'm not in everybody that
Speaker 1: with Brad. Okay, we're chilling. It's girls in the v
Speaker 1: I P. All right, Um, a few people get up
Speaker 1: walk away. Your left in the v I P with
Speaker 1: some woman that you don't know. Next thing you know,
Speaker 1: the next day, oh you know if it's high and
Speaker 1: you probably even spoke to the woman. Next thing you know,
Speaker 1: this woman is accusing you of rape. This woman is killing. Okay,
Speaker 1: to prison for that, yeah, you can costly with the prison.
Speaker 1: You can go to prison for that. Come on, now,
Speaker 1: all the person has to do, all the person has
Speaker 1: to do is accuse you of something, your guilty and
Speaker 1: to have proven innocent. In the United States, tell me this,
Speaker 1: Why didn't Mike Typson go to prison? That's not America
Speaker 1: with a racist cordia in Indian Apples, Indiana, mind you,
Speaker 1: the harm of the cool the founding territory. It is funny. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, like I said, you could you could
Speaker 1: white wash it anyway you want, if you if you said,
Speaker 1: my thing is this year, if you're selling cocaine and
Speaker 1: you get caught, you put yourself in that situations no, no, okay, nonute?
Speaker 1: Where the choice? Okay? Absolutely, okay, Now that's a choice
Speaker 1: that that that is a choice. But okay, you're selling
Speaker 1: the cocaine. You don't think something should happen. You don't
Speaker 1: think you you don't think it's a chance that you
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you don't think what you wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You don't think the chance. See, you don't think it's
Speaker 1: a chance you're gonna get caught. Absolutely, But if you
Speaker 1: but if you, but if you are walking to the store,
Speaker 1: if you're walking too a in a store and you
Speaker 1: see a friend that you know at the corner store
Speaker 1: and you stop to speak to him, and the police
Speaker 1: roll up and find some dope, they take him, and
Speaker 1: you did you put yourself in that position? Well, that
Speaker 1: that's a that's a totally different for me. Personally, I
Speaker 1: want to take with me personally. Ain't gonna be walking
Speaker 1: on the street and meet somebody that's got some dope.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got some dope right now. No,
Speaker 1: no dope right now. I don't know that family don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I don't know. The way I
Speaker 1: would the way I would explain myself and me personally,
Speaker 1: I got lawyers, I would say I had an interview,
Speaker 1: here's the email for me to be here. Will sit by,
Speaker 1: like I said, I will plead my case. If I
Speaker 1: if I went to jail, if I went to jail,
Speaker 1: I would would I would go to No? No, no, no.
Speaker 1: The thing is if I went to jail, if I
Speaker 1: put to jail, I put myself in a situation that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been here. Did I know I should
Speaker 1: have been in that situation? No, but I was. Maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be so many people that put themselves in
Speaker 1: those situations that you speak of, but there are so
Speaker 1: many people that don't and they end up in prison.
Speaker 1: We end up getting that live snatch away. We see
Speaker 1: the stories now my time, I put myself in a
Speaker 1: situation situation because you was going to the story, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: and you walked away from I put myself in a situation.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you put yourself in a situation where you
Speaker 1: was at home chilling and somebody identified, somebody identified the
Speaker 1: guy that robbed the store. If I like something, book
Speaker 1: of Book of T can't prove what he was on
Speaker 1: that day, he got a problem. I don't think the
Speaker 1: Book of T is gonna have that problem. I just
Speaker 1: don't because Booker T in an international star. Know everybody
Speaker 1: knows what books. Everybody no not if it's a big
Speaker 1: no no, if it's a cold pay you listen. If
Speaker 1: there's some action now, if it's something it's a camera
Speaker 1: right there, that's gonna say. That's ain't putting myself. See,
Speaker 1: you're trying to cover for the crisp. I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cover for the criminal. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like I said, even with Mike Tyson, was it was
Speaker 1: it he did it or not. I'm not saying whether
Speaker 1: he did or not. I say Mike didn't do that,
Speaker 1: but I don't happen. He didn't have to do it. Okay,
Speaker 1: did o J Simpson do? Yeah? He did? He didn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: did not you didn't even agree on that. You can't
Speaker 1: even agree on that. You know, if O J didn't
Speaker 1: do it, If o J didn't do it, he was
Speaker 1: right on the side of Doe saying do it like this,
Speaker 1: don't do it. He did it. No a white woman,
Speaker 1: white woman. Y'all can't even agree if O J didn't
Speaker 1: know the guy who killed this other guy looked like
Speaker 1: scar face. Now suppose the police when it came to
Speaker 1: my house. Okay, no, no, this is my point. You
Speaker 1: want a celebrity and you get accused of murder, and
Speaker 1: you get accused of murder and your celebrity, you probably
Speaker 1: did it because they will. They will falsely identify people
Speaker 1: all the time, common people. But they got it right
Speaker 1: because they know they'll get well. Putting yourself in a situation, Okay,
Speaker 1: why did um um um um O J. Simpson get
Speaker 1: off because he had That's not why. No, no, the
Speaker 1: reason that no, no, no, that's not why. The reason
Speaker 1: why O J. Simpson got off is because that's not
Speaker 1: your money. Well, if you if you let me explain
Speaker 1: my point the reason why, just like what we're talking
Speaker 1: about right here, Putting yourself in the situation, if you
Speaker 1: put yourself in the situations can happen. Okay. Now my
Speaker 1: thing is this, you got you got, you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta Okay, you can take take you uh, your medicine, medicine,
Speaker 1: your hot medicine. No, no, what I'm saying was O J. Simpson.
Speaker 1: This is just my theory. O J. Simpson got off
Speaker 1: just when we're talking about right here, person putting himself
Speaker 1: in the situation. Was when you put yourself in the situation,
Speaker 1: some ship could happened. O J. Simpson. That you can't
Speaker 1: put itself in a sky. Okay, let me finish my point.
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson. Got a cop on on that's working
Speaker 1: on this case, that that found the glove. Okay, wait
Speaker 1: a minute. That okay, that that said all kind of
Speaker 1: raised the ship on taple. Okay. He put himself in
Speaker 1: a position to get on stand to get uh totally
Speaker 1: made it look like a fool. And that's the reason
Speaker 1: why O J. Simpson. If that one cop, if that
Speaker 1: one cop would have been alleviated from this whole thing.
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson would have been the prison for the
Speaker 1: rest of his life. But for two that's the only reason.
Speaker 1: Two words. Let me tell you, let me tell you.
Speaker 1: If anyone looks at that case and see a cop
Speaker 1: come understand and say I plead the Fifth Amendment because
Speaker 1: it may incriminate me. If the cases shouldn't, the case
Speaker 1: should have been dismissed. From that point, he didn't two words.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of two words words. Was that
Speaker 1: Johnny Cochran, No, man, that ain't it. That ain't need
Speaker 1: at all. If that cop wouldn't have been understand, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now, O Jay Simpson would have
Speaker 1: been in prison no matter I'm any lawyers. He yet
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that that had on the floor
Speaker 1: had blood from one side of the sock to the other. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: did oj do it? Okay? Do it? Can't even that
Speaker 1: whatever it ain't got nothing? Then against bro, you ain't
Speaker 1: got nothing? Then, Willie, how are you think he did?
Speaker 1: This is why I think he did it? Okay, First
Speaker 1: and foremost, it's like book T said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't you by now because I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking about celebrity. I'm speaking about celebrity. For you
Speaker 1: to be a celebrity and you have a limousine driver
Speaker 1: on the way sitting at your house waiting on you
Speaker 1: when you're supposed to roll out. We all know that.
Speaker 1: When the limo you're on the clock and you got
Speaker 1: to go to the airport, you forty five minutes late
Speaker 1: to get inside of that limo. You forty five minutes
Speaker 1: when you got to go to the airport. You gotta
Speaker 1: be on you gotta be you gotta be at the airport.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows where you are for forty five minutes. Nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody knows. Think, think about right now, you got nine
Speaker 1: You can go to the airport thirty minutes before you
Speaker 1: have to get on the plane and get right on
Speaker 1: that something that's true. But he got a cut on
Speaker 1: his hand, right, she had to cut on No, now
Speaker 1: he had to cut on his hand. Somebody bandits on
Speaker 1: the flight back, not on the way going. Okay, so
Speaker 1: he had to cut on his on the way back.
Speaker 1: Then he in the car. Okay, okay, with you, my wife,
Speaker 1: my wife, you just got killed. Okay, let's say you Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So let's say you. Let's say let's say you was
Speaker 1: accused of killing someone. Right, you're accused of killing someone?
Speaker 1: What you with a red A normal person get inside
Speaker 1: of a vehicle and threatened and take the police on
Speaker 1: a low speed chase and threatened to kill himself. If
Speaker 1: he's in that is not something that I'm destract And
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're talking about you having They haven't even
Speaker 1: said they're gonna lock you up. At this point, you're
Speaker 1: just a person that they want to question. I just
Speaker 1: want to and you're riding around think that they already
Speaker 1: they already had um took o J right now. Wo
Speaker 1: They talked o J when he came, when he came
Speaker 1: back from that point right there, Oh Jay was scared,
Speaker 1: o JA. So that that's what I'm just Oh J
Speaker 1: was o J was scared. Say, man, you know they
Speaker 1: called you know, they called you the lam and you're
Speaker 1: getting the jail man. They go put the meeting and
Speaker 1: he was hiding up. You know what. You know what
Speaker 1: My thing is this if I was if you know,
Speaker 1: if I was on the jury, I can tell you
Speaker 1: this here. If it wasn't for Mark Ferman, I would
Speaker 1: have convicted him. Do I think O J did it?
Speaker 1: O Jay had something to do with it. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's almost impossible. But there's no fucking way. Like
Speaker 1: I never called me for jury duty. But but the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't never. I don't know because the
Speaker 1: black man gonna always be innocent to me, bro only
Speaker 1: and you know your family, unless he did unless he
Speaker 1: messed with an old lady. Uh uh, killed the kid
Speaker 1: or raped somebody. Uh you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: but but he get caught with with a pound of weed.
Speaker 1: It's the ship man. It wasn't him. Well we weren't
Speaker 1: talking about talking about exactly, but this black guy. But
Speaker 1: this black guy, excuse me, this black guy's being accused
Speaker 1: of killing this white woman. And clearly the guy, uh
Speaker 1: Goldberg or whatever the name over there right, you're Goldman
Speaker 1: and Goldman, Oh the mob some money man like you
Speaker 1: said gold Like, what what case? Y'all talking about? What
Speaker 1: case he talking about? He's talking about the case? Yeah?
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson, you know what O J said? He
Speaker 1: was guilty himself. How about that? I ain't gonna say.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, is it a book not that
Speaker 1: that you go watch this? I know he said, if
Speaker 1: I did, I know that, if you had, I know
Speaker 1: you would never do something like this. But let's say
Speaker 1: if you did, huh was accused of killing your wife
Speaker 1: and you went to trial for double homicide. You it
Speaker 1: was a trial that was exhausting and embarrassed your family,
Speaker 1: just tarnished your relationship. What you would you write a
Speaker 1: book say if well, like I said, if I had
Speaker 1: done it, I don't know if an arrogant killer, you
Speaker 1: know what you know, I don't know if O J
Speaker 1: did it or not. But he's getting charged. My show
Speaker 1: had it. Let's get OJ on the show. Come on
Speaker 1: the show man and explain yourself. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now. If you get with him,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll hold you out there right now doing
Speaker 1: the thing. He got his I think he's got his
Speaker 1: own podcast as well. Yeah, he's doing it yet I'll
Speaker 1: do yours. He's definitely on Twitter, Yeah, I mean on Instagram. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on to you out here myself. Ain't put you
Speaker 1: in a five star Willie will So, Jay Simpson, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a killer, but he's he's still still
Speaker 1: you know what the thing is that gotta be you
Speaker 1: got it, You got it, gotta be in a man
Speaker 1: we've done right, Dn't kill that dude. Man. You're in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame twice, two times as a solo
Speaker 1: single and your single and and tag team do. What's
Speaker 1: your brother? How many people has that? I think four
Speaker 1: people people in the history of wrestling. Yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: like the four husman. Yeah, wrestling. So which came first? Uh,
Speaker 1: not singles saying tag in twenty nineteen, Nona, um doing
Speaker 1: it when my brother was one of one thing that
Speaker 1: I cherished that nine years being on the road with
Speaker 1: my brother having my back, uh, knowing that I could
Speaker 1: pretty much do whatever I needed to do just because
Speaker 1: I had somebody watching me that was gonna protect me
Speaker 1: at the same time. And yeah, yeah, yeah, and um,
Speaker 1: I always looked up to my brother as far as
Speaker 1: being like a like a superhero. But at the tag team,
Speaker 1: we uh we set the bar um as far as
Speaker 1: going out there and representing letting a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: young kids say man, Harlan he is you know that's
Speaker 1: the stuff right there. But yeah, yeah, yeah, singles running
Speaker 1: was awesome too. Never in a million years thought I
Speaker 1: would be a singles wrestler. Um, not something I ever
Speaker 1: thought about doing. Into it happened. Um, But um, I
Speaker 1: was always say, preparation is the only luck you're ever
Speaker 1: gonna have. You're not bad, You're gonna You're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: fail that that's trademarked. Yeah, but it's always been my
Speaker 1: thing right there, Man, everything that I've wanted to do
Speaker 1: in that business, I want to be the best at
Speaker 1: it as well as I want my name the ring,
Speaker 1: you know, with the guys like Rick Flair and all
Speaker 1: of those top you know, flight wrestlers and I and
Speaker 1: there again making it to the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: pretty much put a stamp on you know, I did it,
Speaker 1: you know, um at a certain level, even though sometimes
Speaker 1: I mean not, you know, just like a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of uh, you know blacks who you know,
Speaker 1: broke barriers, you know, such as Doug Williams, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, they don't get talked about as much
Speaker 1: as they should. But um, you know, we know how
Speaker 1: good Doug was and and when he put put us
Speaker 1: on the map as far as a black quarterback going
Speaker 1: out there and being able to do it just as
Speaker 1: big as anybody that ever, you know, through that ball.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought about, Uh, you know, Doug Williams
Speaker 1: of the world. You know that's true. Man, Doug don't
Speaker 1: get nowhere near the type of credit he should. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was such a stigma for black quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: NFL before Man and then you see this influx of
Speaker 1: uh players Huh, I mean quarterbacks coming in, black quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coming in out. He don't get the credit that he's
Speaker 1: I mean, Doug Williams put us on the map. Um
Speaker 1: was was black quarterbacks Doug Williams, not that I know of,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, that could be wrong, but yeah,
Speaker 1: are you? Are you you have a relationship with any
Speaker 1: of these other wrestlers that that we may know of,
Speaker 1: like the you know, wrestling has never been some something
Speaker 1: for me that came up trying to make a lot
Speaker 1: of friends. Uh. I just never thought I could make
Speaker 1: it to the next level having a lot of friends. Uh.
Speaker 1: You gotta walk a certain way when you do just
Speaker 1: about everything. Um, your reputation follows you all the way
Speaker 1: to the end in this in this business, in the
Speaker 1: wrestling business. Um. So for me, I was always you know,
Speaker 1: thinking about being and focus um my respect, you know level.
Speaker 1: I had to keep that intact more than anything, keeping
Speaker 1: everything from a business perspective, that right, there was something
Speaker 1: I thought about, uh, more than anything. Um. Just like say,
Speaker 1: for instance, my peers never saw me in a pair
Speaker 1: of jeans throughout my wrestling career. You know, I never
Speaker 1: saw me and I respect myself more than neighbors. You know,
Speaker 1: I had to respect myself even more so then than
Speaker 1: they did in order to get it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I put myself on it on a pedestal.
Speaker 1: So I made sure used a certain way all the time. UM.
Speaker 1: I never just say, for instance, you know we're sitting
Speaker 1: here talking about putting yourself in a situation, UM for
Speaker 1: something to happen to you. UM just say, for instance, UM,
Speaker 1: to get to the next level, everything had to be
Speaker 1: you know, done a certain way. Now, not not saying
Speaker 1: that I haven't done these things or not, um, but
Speaker 1: there again, put yourself in a situation for something to happen,
Speaker 1: UM to you. Now, a lot of the guys respect
Speaker 1: me at a very very high level. Okay, we're on
Speaker 1: the road. A lot of the boys know my wife.
Speaker 1: A lot of them like her. They might like her
Speaker 1: more than they like me. Okay, but we're out on
Speaker 1: the road, we're in a different country. I come through
Speaker 1: the bar. I got a lovely little white woman with me.
Speaker 1: We go upstairs, whatnot go that? Come back down. I
Speaker 1: go to the bar, Now all of those guys that
Speaker 1: see me, they may not say anything, but the respect
Speaker 1: level because they know my wife, some of them, that
Speaker 1: respect level is gonna way down. Okay. Now, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that I haven't done that, But if I did
Speaker 1: do it, you ain't gonna do it. You understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not gonna do it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not That's not me. But I'm just saying, you
Speaker 1: put yourself in a situation. I never wanted my respect
Speaker 1: level to come down, So I never would put myself
Speaker 1: in that position for those guys to see me, that
Speaker 1: respect me, that like my wife a lot more than myself. Um,
Speaker 1: for something like that to happen. Now, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not know why you know, Um, I'm not getting pushed
Speaker 1: like I was before. Man, Why they stopped pushing me?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Man? Why they don't like
Speaker 1: me anymore? Now? You know? So it's you gotta know
Speaker 1: how to not put yourself in situations for ship to
Speaker 1: happen to you. That was my point that I was
Speaker 1: trying to make earlier. Um. So for me, um, um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm always about trying to think about how to
Speaker 1: get this business taken care of and um, you know
Speaker 1: succeed more than anything. Yeah. Well Mike Tyson did not,
Speaker 1: not that he did. But like I said, he put
Speaker 1: himself in a situation for something to happen. What was
Speaker 1: it he put himself in that situation or not? Um,
Speaker 1: he was in that situation with that young girl. Um,
Speaker 1: and the girl was eighteen years My wife, Um, we
Speaker 1: like I said, we married twenty years ago. My wife
Speaker 1: won the Miss Black America that year, and I could
Speaker 1: see my wife being naive in Mike tyson room and
Speaker 1: some ship happening. Okay, that's why I say that my
Speaker 1: wife won that contest that year. Okay, she was in
Speaker 1: all of the videos with Mike Tyson, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's why I say, you know, at
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, you are impressionable, man, especially with someone
Speaker 1: like Mike Tyson, the baddest man, the most powerful man
Speaker 1: on the planet. Chose you for my young kids and
Speaker 1: like like brand and Bryce three and nineteen years old. Man,
Speaker 1: And from what I hear, like the girls and and
Speaker 1: even you Chris, like the girls do, there was something
Speaker 1: awful man. So I can't give her a pass because
Speaker 1: she's not giving her a pass. I'm not giving her.
Speaker 1: But I know how I was when I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: I know how I was when I was eight I
Speaker 1: nave well, well, I know, I know I got it.
Speaker 1: I went to prison man, being naive, like I said,
Speaker 1: naive because in stupid, because I didn't realize I could
Speaker 1: get five and ninety nine years in prison, putting myself
Speaker 1: in a situation, not knowing what the consequences could be
Speaker 1: if I got called. That's what I'm saying. I put
Speaker 1: myself in that situation. Some sh it happened to me.
Speaker 1: I got lucky, God bless me. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: five years, give your chance to make this ship up.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I still had to walk through
Speaker 1: that five years. I couldn't say, well, no, I did it, um,
Speaker 1: And I got called, and you know, nothing happened happened
Speaker 1: to me. I got called. I did it. Though I
Speaker 1: know I did it, I'm not, you know, running away
Speaker 1: from it, whether Mike did it or not. Um. Like
Speaker 1: I said, being in that situation led him to go
Speaker 1: to prison and met Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine. I think this was a young black man. No,
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm serious. No. My thing is, like I said,
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson is a friend of mine. You think I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to prison, I don't know. I don't want.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see no black man in prison.
Speaker 1: But like I said, we we as young, we as
Speaker 1: black men, put ourselves in situation for ship to happen
Speaker 1: us all the time. And we have a choice. No
Speaker 1: that we do have a choice. You know why. We
Speaker 1: gotta have it now, you know why we you know what?
Speaker 1: You know what. I can't sit there and say that
Speaker 1: because I could have ended up going right back to prison.
Speaker 1: I could have ended up going to prison. And no, no, no,
Speaker 1: and I could have ended up going right back to
Speaker 1: prison if I, you know, kept putting myself in that situation.
Speaker 1: What we caught a break. No, no, I didn't catch
Speaker 1: a break. We caught it, we caught a b No. No,
Speaker 1: I put myself. I took myself out of that. But you,
Speaker 1: but you caused some breaks alone the way because you
Speaker 1: could have no, no, you could have went before that.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. I couldn't go
Speaker 1: to prison before I could have gone to prison for that.
Speaker 1: But but the thing is, I didn't put myself in
Speaker 1: position to go to prison because I wouldn't not that
Speaker 1: stealing cars. I don't know what I'm saying. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: hang out an we was a kid. We agree with
Speaker 1: you that oftentimes, not just black people but black guys,
Speaker 1: but all people put themselves in certain situations that but
Speaker 1: we have a unique experience in this country as black
Speaker 1: men and boys and often and we are targeted. So
Speaker 1: it's not just us putting ourselves in that position. Of course,
Speaker 1: if you put yourself of course, if you put yourself
Speaker 1: in that position, did you get there? Though? But how
Speaker 1: did you get that? Of course, if you put yourself
Speaker 1: in that position, you know, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: your on your own. But let's let's make sure make
Speaker 1: sure that we always acknowledge that we're being targeted and
Speaker 1: we're being hunted, and that and that and that and
Speaker 1: that and that and that is a that is a
Speaker 1: large number. Understand this day. I preach that that gets
Speaker 1: targeted and ends up in keep this wicked racist you
Speaker 1: know what. That's all true. But I preach and teach
Speaker 1: us not putting ourselves in that situation, teach getting education
Speaker 1: before going out there is slaying and dry. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: That's I teach kids, you know. Yeah, if you just
Speaker 1: get that's that's that's that's some stuff that's gonna happen
Speaker 1: to you. Ain't got me personally. I can't run towards
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. They all condone it because like I said,
Speaker 1: my my, I got a son that's in jail right
Speaker 1: now and five years. No, No, that he did do
Speaker 1: He didn't have. No, he didn't have to because he
Speaker 1: got a dance he would have action. No, No, he
Speaker 1: didn't have to. He didn't have to do it. But
Speaker 1: he did do it. And now he's he's he's paying
Speaker 1: the price war. And the thing is, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say he didn't do He did
Speaker 1: do it. He fucking robbed somebody, He put a gun
Speaker 1: to somebody's head. Somebody could have got murdered, he could
Speaker 1: he could have been um facing the death penalty. And
Speaker 1: I want young kids out there that's listening to this
Speaker 1: ship to understand you put your fucking ass in that position,
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen to you. It ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: no game once they get their hands on you, because no, no,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, becut, the system is rigg to once
Speaker 1: you get in there to keep you in there, because
Speaker 1: it's before you get in there, well it's okay, that okay,
Speaker 1: that isn't what that's that's totally missing the point, man, too,
Speaker 1: of this want you when you get it. The point
Speaker 1: is when you get in there, you're in their hands.
Speaker 1: You're there, when you get in there that they're gonna
Speaker 1: make some money off of you, and it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be their job to keep you in there as longest
Speaker 1: they possibly can. That's the that's the whole freaking playing
Speaker 1: to the whole end of the end game. And my
Speaker 1: thing is to talk to young kids and young people
Speaker 1: are not even just young people, people in general, especially
Speaker 1: black people. As for its putting ourselves in that situation.
Speaker 1: People always talk about these kids in Chicago. Okay, well
Speaker 1: they're banging they this and that and whatnot with thought
Speaker 1: some money at As for as just trying to get
Speaker 1: some education, My thing is this, if you're gang member,
Speaker 1: if you if you're the head of the freaking gang member,
Speaker 1: you you're the head of the game. You have a baby,
Speaker 1: all right, you think you really want that baby to
Speaker 1: grow up and be in the game. Now you wish
Speaker 1: that kid could grow off and do get a job
Speaker 1: and be a lawyer or a doctor whatever. But if
Speaker 1: you ain't got access to that, I got you, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You coming, you come, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be right down with me. That that's the system to
Speaker 1: keep us in that situation. That's why I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to you know, rise up and come
Speaker 1: up out of that kind of ship. And if if
Speaker 1: we just keep talking about it to the point of
Speaker 1: where you know, it's it's that guy's problem. Is that
Speaker 1: guy's problem is them against us. We ain't gonna never
Speaker 1: teach ourselves how to come up out of that ship. Because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm I'm the youngest of eight. I
Speaker 1: lost my mother when I was four fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: I lost my father when I was thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be I'm supposed to be one
Speaker 1: of those statistics. I'm supposed to be there. I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be here, you know, having this conversation right now,
Speaker 1: and will too, and and and a lot of people too.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. What if you get an education, man,
Speaker 1: and you can fly, you can fly rocket ship, right,
Speaker 1: but they don't give you a job because of the
Speaker 1: your skin. You know why? You know what I say
Speaker 1: about that right there? I don't I don't have you
Speaker 1: know I can speak to that because I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: have any of that. But I figured out how to
Speaker 1: how to make it. No, no, I figured out how
Speaker 1: to make it in life. No one gave me anything
Speaker 1: that I gotta answer for that. Uh, stop sending our
Speaker 1: kids to school to get these degrees and go big.
Speaker 1: These people who are pressing us for jobs, we gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta start turning out. And that's by not putting
Speaker 1: ourselves in exactly what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: We gotta start thinking about ownership instead of working. We
Speaker 1: gotta get off that working ship because that that that
Speaker 1: is that is stopped working. I did I say that.
Speaker 1: I say that because you find something you you got
Speaker 1: you know, we all we got talent, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember, you know, those days back in
Speaker 1: the Ryanstone rank and watching you know, Willie d debut
Speaker 1: my Dick stage, and I'm like, that's the damn this song.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Now I'm serious, but I'm like, man, this kid got talent,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then I said you
Speaker 1: you you culture that you you you besides that, you
Speaker 1: really put time into that. And and the scar faces,
Speaker 1: you know, Willie did bush Be all the ghetto boys
Speaker 1: came out of it something that became worldwide. That's what
Speaker 1: this ship is about. Trying to figure out how we
Speaker 1: can create something. And if somebody's gonna see that, I
Speaker 1: want to be able to duplicate that. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to create more, no doubt, no doubt, and and
Speaker 1: and and and then I'm gonna say it again. Man,
Speaker 1: we we we we we caught a break. We were blessed.
Speaker 1: We were blessed. But there's other people and that that
Speaker 1: come from the same walks of life that we have,
Speaker 1: that that are not in position to catch these breaks,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They end up in the
Speaker 1: penitentiary or they end up dead because there's no hope.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right there a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: And and they hold myself with the well nobody explained
Speaker 1: and then that it can be done. Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: why I wrote a book from prisoner promise. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hide something, nigger, and you put it
Speaker 1: in a book, but no, no, no, no, My thing is,
Speaker 1: I ain't never wanted I want my story to be
Speaker 1: out there, so I ain't got nothing to hide. That's
Speaker 1: why you speak of I'm saying I'm I'm a mom stuff.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that's the word of you don't
Speaker 1: want to try to hide something from me and put
Speaker 1: it in a book. I'm a fine exactly my thing is.
Speaker 1: But that's what the rumor. Rumor has it that I
Speaker 1: wrote a book. I wrote a book to tell my
Speaker 1: story about how I got in trouble, how like you
Speaker 1: just said a second ago, not even more than fifteen
Speaker 1: seconds ago, about people giving up, all right and giving up.
Speaker 1: Ain't got no hope? Okay for me? My thing is,
Speaker 1: you got talent. I knew I had talent. I knew
Speaker 1: I wasn't a kid that was well. I didn't see
Speaker 1: what I wouldn't say. I knew I didn't eat myself
Speaker 1: as the kid on the corner too. I was thirty
Speaker 1: or forty years old, hanging out in the neighborhood, and
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew I wanted to do something more
Speaker 1: than that, all right? Did I know how I was
Speaker 1: gonna do it? Having no education, with dropping out of
Speaker 1: high school, Okay, going to prison years old, losing my
Speaker 1: parents and and literally having no like skills. Okay, what
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? How am I gonna make it? Um?
Speaker 1: I gotta figure it out, you know, going after going
Speaker 1: to prison, you talking about um, you know, going back
Speaker 1: and you know, backing over and over and over. UM.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, guys come out of prison,
Speaker 1: young people coming out of prison, and they feel like
Speaker 1: somebody or him something they really do, they really do.
Speaker 1: They're the same ones that that go into prison feeling
Speaker 1: like somebody. Well that that's true too. But for me
Speaker 1: when I came out, the first thing I felt like
Speaker 1: I had to do was I had to get people
Speaker 1: to trust me again. Then you go, what don't nobody
Speaker 1: trust me? But the thing is, no one should trust you, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I mean come on, come on serious. So I
Speaker 1: had to I had to fix that, run right there? No,
Speaker 1: I know, I had to fix that. I had to
Speaker 1: get people to trust me again, to get people to
Speaker 1: trust me, man, And and nobody should trust someone. Should
Speaker 1: you trust me? I'm a criminal watching someone trust me.
Speaker 1: I don't trust you. Goddamn right, you ain't gonna trust
Speaker 1: So that that's one That's one of the biggest reasons
Speaker 1: why young people come out and can't figure out how
Speaker 1: to go forward, because they feel like, I can't get
Speaker 1: a job. But you don't know nobody want to give me.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody gonna want to get You think someone wanted
Speaker 1: to give you a job? You think someone wanted to
Speaker 1: do that. I asked for help when I when somebody
Speaker 1: put their hand out to help me, I took it
Speaker 1: and I my brother told me, I'm gonna help you
Speaker 1: get a job. He said, no matter what that job
Speaker 1: he was don't get washing dishes, you know, sweeping floors,
Speaker 1: washing I don't get. He said, don't make me look bad,
Speaker 1: all right, do the job to the best your ability
Speaker 1: to something else come along, he said, can you do
Speaker 1: that for me? I go, yeah. You know it was
Speaker 1: as simple as that. I got my brother to trust me.
Speaker 1: God gave me my brother, you know, because you know
Speaker 1: I got fired from that job. You know that my
Speaker 1: brother got me, which was a security god job out
Speaker 1: of coming out of prison. They end up finding out
Speaker 1: I had a record guy that my brother was working for.
Speaker 1: You know, my brother act man. You think you can
Speaker 1: give my brother a job? You know? The first thing
Speaker 1: the guy asked, my brother, can you trust him? M hm, Well, look, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know about Brad, but I trust you. I
Speaker 1: trust you, and I tell you what, Man, you have
Speaker 1: done a great job to put yourself in some good
Speaker 1: positions and and and we we really appreciate everything that
Speaker 1: you have brought to the culture and everything that everything
Speaker 1: that you've done for wrestling. You're very You're very good dude. Man.
Speaker 1: I've always liked your spirit. You got a good spirit
Speaker 1: and the way you looked out for my boys and me.
Speaker 1: We wanted to come to the shows and all of that.
Speaker 1: Ship man, Bro, you second and no man freaking act bro. Bro,
Speaker 1: We're coming around and come back to man. So shoot,
Speaker 1: let me know when y'all need some tickets. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: not even ever get it. I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming.
Speaker 1: Give me. We'll be back next month, I think. Uh,
Speaker 1: we got got a couple of shows. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: one one year and one of San Antonio and one
Speaker 1: of Dollars. So we're kicking off actually a lot, actually
Speaker 1: a live tour actually kicks off in Houston. So what
Speaker 1: y'are doing it? The thing? Um, it's gonna be too
Speaker 1: too damned the promoter it is. I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: there talking, just like you know you're gonna be that
Speaker 1: talking to give you my money and you slam. Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm done, man, ever tied. Man, I'm just tied body
Speaker 1: to that part of my life. But I tell you what, man, uh,
Speaker 1: it's been a help and run man, it's been a
Speaker 1: help of run. I appreciate you guys for having me
Speaker 1: in man, because I'm all about speaking word. Man. I
Speaker 1: like I hope they picked y'all off too much because
Speaker 1: my thing is, bro, you know what, we need more
Speaker 1: of that man. We need more of that man because
Speaker 1: our young people out there these days, Man, a lot
Speaker 1: of them they don't have anyone that they could look
Speaker 1: to that's walked in that position that they can say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if if like Willie D, if Willie D could do it,
Speaker 1: you know I could do this too. You know, if
Speaker 1: to getto boys they came up out of the you
Speaker 1: know we could do this too. You know, book or
Speaker 1: T did it. You know, I want to be like
Speaker 1: For me, I had a kid in McGregor Park one
Speaker 1: day and I went there and he recognized me to say, man,
Speaker 1: I want to be like you when I grew up
Speaker 1: and I go out, I'm the kid that came from
Speaker 1: South No. No, and that right there, you know, being
Speaker 1: a role model. I took that very very serious. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's why I talked the way I do. UM,
Speaker 1: that's you know, like I said, that's why you know,
Speaker 1: it's the spirited conversation we had as far as our
Speaker 1: young people putting themselves in situations. I don't want. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't ever want to see
Speaker 1: you know, some young kids get you know, shot, they
Speaker 1: call again. I don't never want to see another George
Speaker 1: Floyd incident. Did George Floyd put himself in in a situation? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, talk about that for a sake. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think George Floyd put himself in a situation.
Speaker 1: But I don't think. Um the way it was handled
Speaker 1: helped to me. You know what I mean with that
Speaker 1: have happened? Um, anyway, we don't know. Man, that man, No,
Speaker 1: not what and that clastrophomics you know what, That's exactly
Speaker 1: what I'm talking said. That's exactly I agree. No, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. Finding ourselves in situations like that.
Speaker 1: We gotta figure out how do we get ourselves out
Speaker 1: the situations? Even if we find ourselves getting in a
Speaker 1: situation like that, how do we handle it in that situation?
Speaker 1: And why are we in such a russia take this
Speaker 1: guy to jail over a bill that that made you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it was in the fist that
Speaker 1: should have you know, it didn't merit the man. No,
Speaker 1: it's not something to degree disagree old, it's something. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is we gotta figure out how do
Speaker 1: we not get ourselves a situation like that? And if
Speaker 1: we do find ourselves a situation like that, how do
Speaker 1: we get out of them? You know, what's what's what's? No? No,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the answer? The answer is well, no, no, no, no. Specifically,
Speaker 1: what he's asking is, what's the answer to George Floyd's
Speaker 1: situation if once the police rolls up right and no, nothing,
Speaker 1: it's just as well as this, what's the answer for
Speaker 1: us to for for George Floyd to still be here
Speaker 1: right now? Let's not let's not talk about what the
Speaker 1: cop did. No, not, that's not what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm said. Stop it that where's that
Speaker 1: twenty bill? That Okay, let's put the market on the No.
Speaker 1: I understand that. But what I'm saying is we as
Speaker 1: black people, we find ourselves in these situations a whole
Speaker 1: lot pers That's true, that's true. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out. I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: the answer to how do we how how do we
Speaker 1: figure out? You know, someone like George Floyd, you know,
Speaker 1: him dying and him still being alive. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that I think I think that the honest answer is
Speaker 1: once the police rolled up, comply period. Well that that
Speaker 1: is That's that's the right. Look man, look in now
Speaker 1: here's why I say. You're not gonna beat the police
Speaker 1: on the streets. You cannot. It's their streets. I don't
Speaker 1: give them what the game members say. They're the biggest game. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't beat the police in the streets. You fight
Speaker 1: the police in the court. You know they're gonna win
Speaker 1: in the streets every time. So the thing the thing
Speaker 1: to do is when they pull up and they do
Speaker 1: what they do, you know you already know how they
Speaker 1: feel about you. You already know who they are. You
Speaker 1: know that M O so you know, the culture. So
Speaker 1: when they pull up, hey man, just comply. And the
Speaker 1: thing is what you want to do, what you wanna
Speaker 1: do is you want to get through that situation. I
Speaker 1: always say that anytime you're dealing with the police, Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, you want minimal contact with the police.
Speaker 1: But if you have to come in contact with the police,
Speaker 1: then your job is to get them out of your
Speaker 1: presence as soon as possible. You just want them or
Speaker 1: your presence as soon as. The longer they stay around you,
Speaker 1: the greater chance you have of being violated. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely true. That's definitely true. Now that's why
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, me personally, shouldn't have happened. No,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have happened. Uh take you know, get situations
Speaker 1: like that to where we walk away from those situations
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, getting the bullet of someone yelling
Speaker 1: on this or something like that. We confiscate bill and
Speaker 1: let the man walk. It wasn't like he had ten
Speaker 1: thousand of him. He had one dollar bill. That we
Speaker 1: don't know was if it was taking not taking mark
Speaker 1: mark on and look at it. Take the twenty dollar
Speaker 1: bill and put it in the evidence and told man
Speaker 1: could have still been a lot of the day they
Speaker 1: hadn't been a white guy. That's exactly what they would
Speaker 1: have been, what a situation it would have been hadn't
Speaker 1: been a black cop. He wouldn't have been dead exactly.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's probably true too. Then my thing is,
Speaker 1: like I said, like you said, complying, I totally understand that.
Speaker 1: I understand him being class to phogic because I'm class
Speaker 1: to phobic. I understand that too. And that's not a
Speaker 1: lot of ship, a little bit of car cramped up,
Speaker 1: it's a lot went on, but it's no but but
Speaker 1: he's that's that's a person. That's a person that should
Speaker 1: you still be a should still be alive. And on
Speaker 1: another just that, and on another note, if you have
Speaker 1: those type of people policing our communities in our areas
Speaker 1: that have no no feelings or nothing towards us, no
Speaker 1: compassion at all towards us, they shouldn't even be well,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be on the force. They shouldn't be I
Speaker 1: got a problem, shouldn't be policing there? Well, I got
Speaker 1: a problem. No, no, no, they shouldn't be policing period
Speaker 1: because because when we when we come outside of our
Speaker 1: communities are predominantly black communities, we're gonna face them, and said,
Speaker 1: they'll be sitting back just waiting at the you know,
Speaker 1: at the line, wait for you to cross that line.
Speaker 1: As soon as you crossed that line. But it's a
Speaker 1: it's a need to be. It's the same. It's the
Speaker 1: same that the cops are for. With the cops are
Speaker 1: for slave patrol. Okay, I thought something different. I thought, no,
Speaker 1: not the police. The one thing that I ate here
Speaker 1: more than anything with with the you know, the police.
Speaker 1: Stuff that happened with the police is you know the
Speaker 1: higher ups, you know, the people in government, you know,
Speaker 1: even the people on the force. They say, you know,
Speaker 1: they used the word bad apples, and then I hate
Speaker 1: that term bad apples. We got a few bad apples.
Speaker 1: And from what I've always known about the term bad apples,
Speaker 1: one one was small on the whole. Butch wasn't bad
Speaker 1: apples small the whole. But that ain't what Michael Jackson said,
Speaker 1: Jesson one that apple don't father whole bunch. He's alive.
Speaker 1: His hands was flying too. But like I said, and
Speaker 1: that's what I when they when they say stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you know, we got a few bad apples. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: polices should be uh dealt with um on a on
Speaker 1: a broad basis, because that that is a big problem.
Speaker 1: It is a it is a lot of racism in
Speaker 1: certain police um. And and and if they is and
Speaker 1: then and they're not afraid to show it a lot
Speaker 1: of times, especially nowadays. And and I'm scared because I
Speaker 1: got ten year old kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Look at the Senate, y'all. Look at the US Senate
Speaker 1: for follow races. Uh uh police, Well, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's a big part of the problems, part of
Speaker 1: the problem even during slavery, I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole half. Well, that's why it was so hard to
Speaker 1: get rid of slavery. You know a lot of people
Speaker 1: just when they think about slavery, the emancipation, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: they only focus on Well, well, my thing is always
Speaker 1: my thing is you know, I don't understand it's for
Speaker 1: a lot of politics because the one thing that that
Speaker 1: really confuses me. And you know, I talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of my my, my, my white friends about it,
Speaker 1: um as well, and I say, you know, Democrats, Republicans, um.
Speaker 1: You look at the makeup of them. Um, it's all
Speaker 1: white on this side, and it's all white on this side,
Speaker 1: and they and they can't agree with anything. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: just imagine if it was all black on this side
Speaker 1: and all white on this side, they really wouldn't be
Speaker 1: to agree with anything. What is the problem here? I
Speaker 1: can't get that. I can't get not tell me tell me, well,
Speaker 1: I tell me, tell me what you think, what you
Speaker 1: think the problem? I tell you what I think. The
Speaker 1: problem is. I think that number one, that there's a
Speaker 1: there's a contest going on here, and I fight for
Speaker 1: supreme See, there's a fight for money and power. All
Speaker 1: of the seats that these people sit in. All of
Speaker 1: these politicians, the seats whether it's there's there's only a
Speaker 1: certain amount of seats and either Democrats are gonna sit
Speaker 1: in that seat or Republican is gonna sit in that seat.
Speaker 1: Most of these seats are occupied by white males. And
Speaker 1: and so you have to think that yourself. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how they are. They got the same type of mentality,
Speaker 1: and that's the maintaining white supremacy and so and and
Speaker 1: that is the difference. So they're fighting for power, they're
Speaker 1: not they're not. They're not fighting They're fighting for money
Speaker 1: and power. They're not fighting for uh equality, Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, no, no, absolutely not. They're not fighting for equality.
Speaker 1: They're not fighting for capasci compassion, they're not fighting for righteousness.
Speaker 1: They're fighting for money and power. And so that is
Speaker 1: why when the Republicans are acting like uncivilized mutts, uh
Speaker 1: you know, and and passing these these gym crow type
Speaker 1: laws and stuff, the Democrats are just sitting back doing nothing,
Speaker 1: and they act like they get mad about it, but
Speaker 1: they don't really do anything about it because they benefit
Speaker 1: from those same laws they had us. They share the
Speaker 1: same mentality that the Republicans do. The Republicans are just
Speaker 1: crud type. They're all the same, they're same members of
Speaker 1: the same gang. They're all in the same gang. But
Speaker 1: the Republicans are more crud you know what a man
Speaker 1: want to be over the top. Democrats the Democrats. The Democrats.
Speaker 1: The Democrats are the ones who who fake and act
Speaker 1: like that they're they're refined and you know, they're more
Speaker 1: that's a good theory. They just act they just act,
Speaker 1: just act like they're compassionate and whatever. They're the same,
Speaker 1: they're they they're the same as that the Republicans. You
Speaker 1: gotta ask yourself, all of these years, with all of
Speaker 1: this bad stuff that's been going on in America, with
Speaker 1: all of this shooting and killing, the polis doing right now,
Speaker 1: where has the Democrats been happening? And then they got power?
Speaker 1: We voted them in, so they got the power that
Speaker 1: if they wanted to use it, they got power to
Speaker 1: do something. Yeah, but to do something. But where have
Speaker 1: they been? And even if you go all the way
Speaker 1: back to before the public the parties are changed over,
Speaker 1: even when even when blacks were Republicans, you gotta ask yourself,
Speaker 1: where were those Republicans, you know at that time when
Speaker 1: the Democrats, well, you know, we're doing that. That's a
Speaker 1: great way to look at it. I mean, uh, And
Speaker 1: like I said, that's a that's a that's a that's
Speaker 1: a plausible theory um because you know, for me, I've
Speaker 1: always wondered, you know what I mean? You know, you
Speaker 1: got both sides and they're all the same, and no
Speaker 1: one can get alone, no one, no one can try
Speaker 1: to really get any works. They seems they seem like
Speaker 1: it's a rat races all the game the game. That's
Speaker 1: why nothing is getting done because they're all on the
Speaker 1: same page. You both is if you had all the
Speaker 1: power in the world, would you want to relinquish? No,
Speaker 1: That's why I tell people all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: when when when someone got a business and you're telling
Speaker 1: someone you know she's running the business unless you had it,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you got it? Did you got
Speaker 1: out of power? You don't know how you would feel, um,
Speaker 1: and when you gotta get it given up. That that's
Speaker 1: just the way people are. And it's just the human nature. Um.
Speaker 1: And people most of them aren't gonna want to give
Speaker 1: it up. But but but did now, but then you
Speaker 1: got good people who don't mind giving it up. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be appreciate. Thank you, man, beat the odds. Man
Speaker 1: came out on top. Bless me, man, and we really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming to appreciate it and spend some time
Speaker 1: with the ghetto boys. We are reloaded and we got
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Speaker 1: lot of ship today and we really appreciate your time,
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