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Speaker 1: We'll keep on flying out of Indianapolis. At the NFL Combine,

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Speaker 1: I always say, like combine so boring. And the last

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Speaker 1: This is audio only, but we got a YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: with some questions. We'll try to do a little rapid

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Speaker 1: fire here. Jacob, what's the deal with the tush push?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why they would get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: It's football. The whole game is predicated on imposing your

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Speaker 1: team's will against the other. Help this spud farmer from

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Speaker 1: Idaho understand what the rationale is. I'm sure he's a

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Speaker 1: Cooper Degene and Caitlin Clark fan. I guess that's Iowa,

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Speaker 1: a quarterback back in the early nineties. That I do know. Mike,

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Speaker 1: the tush push, no one would care. It would not matter.

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Speaker 1: I promise you that it just would not be a

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Speaker 1: major story. But when you dominate, and when you win

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Speaker 1: three years, it's no different than most industries. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of companies right now doing things that would

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Speaker 1: really piss off the government, their competition if they were

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Speaker 1: bigger and once you get to a certain level, i e. Google, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: you name it, people start coming after you. So I

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Speaker 1: think the Eagles with them winning, right, if they are,

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Speaker 1: let's just pick another team. If they were the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants running the Tush push and that was their

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Speaker 1: play the last under Brian Dable, no one would be

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Speaker 1: talking about this. But when you win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it just becomes like it's unfair. I mean, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: dealt with stuff like this forever. It's just part of

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Speaker 1: the deal. Let's let's face it. If you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: a winner in life, if you're gonna be successful, especially

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Speaker 1: financially in most businesses, people are gonna come after you.

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Speaker 1: That's the way the world works. It's kind of sad,

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Speaker 1: but it's just it's just a reality. It's no different

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Speaker 1: I've seen other teams attempt to do it and they

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Speaker 1: don't do it as well. Right, And I do agree

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Speaker 1: with Sirianni of like that they do take that play

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing, Like Jalen, I say this

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Speaker 1: to and the overall talent of the team, plus Urban

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Speaker 1: was as coach, it's obvious just debating your opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you just say who did the most impressive thing

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Speaker 1: with the least, I mean Cam Newton dragging a team

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Speaker 1: that did not have that many pros to a national

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Speaker 1: championship in the SEC was remarkable. But I would say

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Speaker 1: this about Cam because everything that happened at Florida, like

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Speaker 1: he was a true blue Chipper, you know, urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: recruited him there, so it wasn't like he was this

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Speaker 1: little engine that could, like you know, Johnny was a

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Speaker 1: little more little engine that could and was just remarkable

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Speaker 1: in college. I mean, Cam should have been at Alabama

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Speaker 1: or Florida and you guys were able to pull him

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Speaker 1: and what he did was I mean, I'll never forget

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Speaker 1: was his first or second year, probably like his third

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Speaker 1: year going to a Niner game at Candlestick and I

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Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna go to Cam Newton's postgame press conference.

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Speaker 1: I think they just beat the Niners. This was when

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh was there and seeing Cam Newton in person and thinking,

447
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Speaker 1: this guy looks like a Lebron James. This guy is enormous.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you look at Joe Burrow, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's playing with Jamar Chase and justin Jefferson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those two guys, let's face it, should both go to

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Long way to go, a lot

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Speaker 1: of production to be had, but those two guys are

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame talents. And you go back like when

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Speaker 1: I was grown, Like you said, t Bow, I mean,

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Speaker 1: those Florida teams were some of the best teams of

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Speaker 1: all time in terms of just every player was going

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Speaker 1: to the pros and getting drafted high. Same thing with Lionert, right,

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Speaker 1: Lioner played because the Liner's record is hard to beat.

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Speaker 1: Even Kellen Moore, who I think is probably one of

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Speaker 1: the more underrated college players of all time. Look at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kellen Morre's college stats are pretty insane, like

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Speaker 1: they you know, part of with Lionert, who was an

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Speaker 1: unreal college player and really clutch. They ran the ball

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Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, they had arguably the best backfield

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Speaker 1: in all of college football. Kellen Moore his last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, well, he started as a freshman, but his

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Speaker 1: sophomore year thirty nine touchdowns, three picks, his junior year

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Speaker 1: thirty five touchdowns, six picks, his senior year forty three touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: nine picks. Overall, one hundred and forty two touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: twenty eight interceptions. I think it's like a five to

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Speaker 1: one ratio there. And the one thing, obviously, their schedule

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Speaker 1: is a little easier in some of the big boys.

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Speaker 1: They beat everybody that they weren't supposed to beat from

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Speaker 1: Georgia to Oregon multiple times. They were upsetting people left

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Speaker 1: and right. I think Kellen Moore is an underrated name. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean cam Newton's clearly one of the greatest college

477
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Speaker 1: had one of the great college seasons in the history

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Speaker 1: of the sport. Living in Zach, I work at El

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Speaker 1: Maserra Country Club. See hi to a man named Jeff

480
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Middlecoff who is a little country club member up there,

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Speaker 1: plays a little golf. Have been a Cowboys fan my

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Speaker 1: whole life. When you look at the best run organizations

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Speaker 1: in the league, there is a constant thread of having

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Speaker 1: a great GM quarterback and owner who is not medaling.

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Speaker 1: Can you realistically see the Cowboys getting back to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl to Super Bowl contention in the next five

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Speaker 1: to ten years? And you guys haven't made the championship

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Speaker 1: game Super Bowl. You guys haven't made it past the

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Speaker 1: second weekend of the playoffs in twenty five years. Actually

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Speaker 1: thirty years, right, because the last time ninety six. It's

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah, thirty years, three decades have not been

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Speaker 1: to the conference championship game. Think just let's just pick

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Speaker 1: your division. The Eagles have won been to two Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls in the last three years. The Giants seven and

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00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: eleven have won multiple Super Bowls. So those two teams

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Speaker 1: have a combined four Super Bowls since two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: And you guys haven't been in a conference championship game

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Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety six. Even the Commanders this year went

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Speaker 1: to the conference championship game. It's pretty nuts, it really is.

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Speaker 1: So I would say no, like I my days of

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Speaker 1: betting on the Cowboys are over because I did pick

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Speaker 1: you guys. I listened from out in Australia. Love your stuff.

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Speaker 1: I know you love golf. What is your golf handicap?

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Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if it wasn't single figures. Yeah, I

505
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: mean technically on paper it's like a four right now.

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Speaker 1: But I've embraced golf. Of as long as I shoot

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Speaker 1: anywhere from seventy five to eighty five, I'm just having

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Speaker 1: a good time. I'm not a competitive golfer. Beside gambling

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Speaker 1: on golf with whoever I'm playing with, I just try

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Speaker 1: to enjoy it when I'm hot, make a couple of birdies,

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Speaker 1: have a good time. When I'm shooting in the mid eighties, whatever,

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Speaker 1: Just put a smile on your face, have a double vodka.

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Speaker 1: So I would say the key to my I don't

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Speaker 1: let golf work me up at all anymore. Single digit

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Speaker 1: sounds more impressive. I mean, I've been playing thirty years.

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Speaker 1: A question for the pot, I've been curious to know

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Speaker 1: your opinion of the state of the NBA. Personally, I

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Speaker 1: think it's the worst it's ever been due to for

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Speaker 1: many reasons. I actually, you know, talking to Colin about

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Speaker 1: this last week and how baseball and the NBA are

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00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: actually basically the same thing, except the NBA gets an

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Speaker 1: outsized amount of coverage on television, and a big part

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Speaker 1: of that is because ESPN's in bed with them, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the guys on Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: won like basketball. Steph Curry went for fifty six points

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Speaker 1: last night, and I watched the highlights. He was just

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just vintage Steph. I think the

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Speaker 1: NBA is in major trouble when Steph Curry and Lebron

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Speaker 1: James retire. And the problem is Lebron James is forty

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Speaker 1: and Steph Curry is thirty seven. So even if they

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Speaker 1: are on like a Tom Brady like run here, which

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Speaker 1: it does feel, both guys are still fucking elite that

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Speaker 1: they're not going to be around that much longer. And

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Speaker 1: I was talking about this with a buddy the other day.

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Speaker 1: I was actually at the gym this morning, got up early,

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Speaker 1: take the dog. She had to go to the groomer,

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Speaker 1: dropped her off like seven, went to the old the village,

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Speaker 1: got a sweat on, and I'm looking up because they

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Speaker 1: got TVs up on the wall like most gyms. You know,

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Speaker 1: A couple were on the news channels and ESPN and

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Speaker 1: ESPN two are honored Stephen A. Smith. I look at

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00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: the you know, the ticker or like whatever the headline

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00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: is below them. It's like, could Anthony Edwards be the

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Speaker 1: face of the league. I think the casual sports fan

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Speaker 1: knows absolutely nothing about Anthony Edwards. I'm talking about a

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Speaker 1: guy that like is into sports, and the amount of

547
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Speaker 1: games they have seen Anthony Edwards play over the last

548
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Speaker 1: several years is really small. And the equivalent of Anthony Edwards,

549
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Speaker 1: a guy who's twenty two to twenty three years old

550
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Speaker 1: several years into his career, really good player. Let's use

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid in like the mid to

552
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: late nineties, would have been like Alan Iverson, Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan. I could be wrong on this,

554
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Speaker 1: but in my opinion, I think those guys at the

555
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Speaker 1: same point in time were dramatically more famous and bigger deals.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that's a problem for the NBA.

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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Is the league as long as the Warriors and Lakers

558
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: like win some playoff rounds, the league will be okay

559
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: because the ratings will be pretty good, right, But if

560
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: those guys disappear, Like listen, I think Jolkic is one

561
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: of the best basketball players I've ever watched, the consumers

562
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: just not watching him, and the Celtics just don't do

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00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: that much for people, Like no one's watching the CAFs

564
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: and they're awesome. I think the NBA is in major trouble,

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Speaker 1: not financially. They signed this big deal and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get paid. I don't know how these networks are gonna

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Speaker 1: make their money back. Now you could argue Amazon doesn't

568
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Speaker 1: really care, but I think that if I was Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry and Lebron James and the league just signed this

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Speaker 1: enormous deal, like I'm probably worth half of that and

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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna be around for the majority of it,

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00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: that's a problem. They used to just be able to

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Speaker 1: cycle in new stars. I think part of it is

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Speaker 1: the international game. Like Luca's story is really really big

575
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: and people have watched him play, but him not being

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Speaker 1: American is a problem. I mean part of the growth

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Speaker 1: of the NBA. You know, by the time I kind

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Speaker 1: of came into my sports watching early mid nineties, Magic Johnson,

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00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Larry Birder were already gone, but like they were the

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Speaker 1: people that really drove the NBA right, and then Michael

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00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Jordan took the torch and took it to even higher levels.

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Speaker 1: What do all three have in common? All American born,

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Speaker 1: American born stars. It's just not the same with jokichin Luca,

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Speaker 1: it's just not hell Nico Harrison, former agent guy Shoe Deal,

585
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: hated that Luca drank beer. It's like Nico, who gives

586
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: a fuck. Michael Jordan used to drink a twelve pack

587
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: playing golf with Jeremy Ronick and then score forty. It's

588
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: like this guy carried your ass in the NBA finals.

589
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Like sometimes as a GM, you have this preconceived notion

590
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Speaker 1: of like what's right and wrong? Like this guy's European.

591
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Europe? They drink like multiple

592
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: glasses of wine at lunch and then go have a nap.

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00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: Cultures are different. The only thing I care about is like,

594
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Speaker 1: on any given game, can the guy score forty and

595
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: beat whoever we're playing in any given moment? It's like, well,

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00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: I like this guy because he works out harder. Give

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00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: me a break. But I mean, I think when your

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Speaker 1: two best players, you could argue the three best players

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Speaker 1: in the NBA are like Jokic, Luca and Yannis. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just this isn't the EuroLeague. This American basketball, and

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Speaker 1: it hurts. I mean, Ethan Strauss been writing about this

602
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: for a long time, like Americans like rooting for Americans.

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Speaker 1: I think Haylen Clark's a pretty big deal. Like she

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Speaker 1: It would not be the same if she was from Lithuania.

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Speaker 1: Been listening for a couple of years, also out here

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Speaker 1: I like Kyler, and I think a lot of people

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00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: have some nice offensive talent around them. Do you think

640
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: this is who he is at some point? Or there's

641
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: still growth to be had and the roster will keep improving.

642
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: You know, I saw that John and it Is press

643
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: conference made a comment. I just pulled it up. It

644
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: says I'm not gonna make any power statements, but he

645
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: meaning Kyler, is gonna have a hell of a year.

646
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: So I think there have been some some light rumors

647
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just people throwing it out there, like

648
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: could they trade Kyler Murray and who knows. I guess

649
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: he could be building up his trade value. But I

650
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: thought this at the end of the year last year.

651
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Is Kyler ever going to be a top seven eight quarterback?

652
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: No?

653
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: But what makes him pretty unique is that on individual

654
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: days he can just beat Team X and that could

655
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: be the best team in the league. Like he can

656
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: just beat the Rams, the Eagles, whoever. And that's what

657
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: makes him a pretty frustrating player. I think at five

658
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: nine years always gonna have limitations. He's a free talent.

659
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: He's got a big arm, he can move, and last

660
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: year down the stretch when they started playing and bad,

661
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: he started throwing picks and that can be a major problem.

662
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: But I think it kind of is what he is.

663
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: You could have a lot worse. One of the founders

664
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: of the Yellowstone Club is developing a private resort in Utah, Wasatch.

665
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm probably saying that wrong. Peaks Ranch checking out more exclusive.

666
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: I think he's alluding to Yellowstone Club is where Matt

667
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: Stafford and Tom Brady were were kicking it. I would

668
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: love to go I really, I'm not a huge winter

669
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: ski slope guy. So it's like, yeah, they got their

670
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: own mountain. It sounds cool, but I was like, I'm

671
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: not into tearing my cl or running new a rock.

672
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: I had a buddy who's actually coming to my wedding.

673
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: His I guess it would be his nephew was skiing

674
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: up in Tahoe and he's probably, I don't know, ten

675
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: eleven years old. This kid's gonna be big. I mean

676
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: his dad was a college wrestler at Cal Paul right

677
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: after Chuck Ladell. I mean, this guy's a this kid's

678
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: got a chance to be like a Division one athlete

679
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: ran into a boulder and shattered his leg. It's like,

680
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm just not in Like I'm not a skier anymore.

681
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: And I loved it growing up, but those days are over.

682
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't want to be in crutches. I

683
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: don't want to break legs, try acls. I I don't

684
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: know why I'm saying that. Oh, it's because I really

685
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: just want to play golf with the Yellowstone Club. Sounds

686
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: incredible from what I've heard. It's a million dollars to

687
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: join the Yellowstone Club, which is the most expensive of

688
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: all the Discovery Land properties, which are basically anything goes

689
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: with these properties, right, Like there's no dress code to golf.

690
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: You can just do whatever you want. It's very your

691
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: entire families under your vertical when you join. But it's

692
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: really expensive. And you know, the Yellowstone Club is the

693
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: most exclusive. A ton of actors, ton of actresses, got

694
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: people like Brady, And there's one in you know, Palm

695
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Springs called the Madison Club. There's Troubadour in Tennessee which

696
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I've been to, which is badass. Saw Morgan wall there

697
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: actually when I went question for the pod. Given the

698
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: success the Rams have had in McVeigh and the sneaed

699
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: era with later round draft picks, wouldn't it make more

700
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: sense for the Rams to get multiple late round picks

701
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: for Stafford if they trade them instead of just the

702
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: first thanks. I think it's easy to say this when

703
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: you have missed or just had a lot of success

704
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: in the later rounds, you would rather let's say you've

705
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: crushed the third and fourth round. Would you rather have

706
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: two threes and two fours or just the eighteenth pick?

707
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, obviously I have to do the math, but

708
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: let's say the math for the first round pick the

709
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: fourteenth pick than all the third and fourth round picks.

710
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: You would always rather have the first round pick always,

711
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: so I know. The forty nine ers are a good example.

712
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: They have missed, they have struggled high, and they have

713
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: crushed the mid rounds. You would still take the high

714
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: picks because when you do hit on that, it is

715
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: a game changer. Plus, sometimes you can parlay that pick

716
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: into more, Like if I can go from ten to

717
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: twenty and accumulate more second round picks, like the ultimate

718
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: value is worth more. You almost just have to look

719
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: at it from a financial standpoint. It's like, yeah, I

720
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: could turn five hundred grand, I could find a ten

721
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: bagger and turn it into five million, But would you

722
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: rather just have five million dollars right now and see

723
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: if you could turn that into ten? Just want to

724
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: reaffirm that one of your takes is so valid. The

725
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: stafford take a pay cut to stay in LA. I

726
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: don't like when people say, oh, it's easy for you

727
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut. Riddle me this. Would you

728
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: work at the volume and get paid five hundred thousand

729
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: dollars to be Collins point man for everything? NFL in

730
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: a great way environment you love. Would you take one

731
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: million to go to some radio station where you have

732
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: less exposure and there's a bad culture. The former is

733
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: La McVeigh and the latter is the Giants. Money's tempting,

734
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't knock you for it, but it's probably

735
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: the smart move for the future to stay with the

736
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: rams and take a cut. I think it's even different

737
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: because let's say someone offers me a million dollars right

738
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: to let's use your example to do a radio station.

739
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: Do I have to move there? Do then? Like now

740
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: I three and out. I have ownership in everything I do.

741
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: Do I not own it anymore? So there are a

742
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of factors there, But here's the most the factor

743
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: of the money. Where you you know, when you're at

744
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: a lower net worth cash flow basis, it's like I

745
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. But let's say let's say in

746
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: this world, I'm worth a million dollars, and it's like,

747
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: we're going to pay you a million dollars. So it's like,

748
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: and we're gonna guarantee a couple of years, so in

749
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: two years you will potentially, you know, depending on taxes

750
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: and how the we ten ninety nine ing at W

751
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: two ing it how it would work. Let's just say

752
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: in this example, I'm gonna double my net worth. Unlet's

753
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: they have a couple kids. It would be you'd have

754
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: to think long and hard about it. Stafford after this

755
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: season will have accumulated over four hundred million dollars. So

756
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: like money to Stafford. I hate I hate saying it

757
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because who knows. Maybe he aspires to be

758
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: an NFL owner. You know, it's like he's playing in

759
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: a different end of the pool than myself or the

760
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: person in this analogy. But like his life, whether he

761
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: makes that other forty million dollars to go to the

762
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: Giants or the Raiders, and then if he loses and

763
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: his career ends there, he'll have some more money, but

764
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't really change his life right where I think

765
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: when you use an example of like lower numbers, if

766
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: it's a one hundred grand, five hundred grand, a million dollars.

767
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: If I was worth one hundred million dollars, let's say

768
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: let's even pull that number way down. Let's say I'm

769
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: worth ten million dollars. I have like ten million dollars

770
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: in the bank working for me, investments and stuff own

771
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: a house, don't even have a payment already paid off.

772
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: I can make decisions with my career much differently than

773
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: if I didn't have any money in the bank and

774
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: I have two kids, and I have to think about

775
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: like a bunch of other things, right paying the mortgage,

776
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: supporting my family. Let's say my wife's not working because

777
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: she can't find a good job, like how we pay,

778
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, for her to support the kid, like it

779
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: I have to support her. In this analogy, Stafford doesn't

780
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: have to worry about any of that shit, right, So

781
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: to me, if you're Matt Stafford at thirty seven years old,

782
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: unless you're completely addicted to money, and don't get me,

783
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: I love money. Most people listening to this probably love money.

784
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: But at that point in time, when you have all

785
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: this fucking money Bert the Yellowstone Club, you got multiple homes,

786
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: you've hit the lottery. Now not because like that's probably

787
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: a bad thing to say, because he earned it. He

788
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: was a great player, big time talent, super Bowl champion,

789
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl level guys. He didn't hit the lottery like

790
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: he's He's worked his ass off to become a great player,

791
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: and he deserved a lot of money off of course,

792
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: of his career, he's been paid that, but at this

793
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: point in time, like you only got a year or

794
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: two left, Like you want that last year to be

795
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: with the fucking Giants winning seven games best case scenario,

796
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: or do you want to who knows what if you're

797
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: like the two seed with the rams. So yeah, I

798
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: think the analogy with me or whoever, when you don't

799
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: have like as much to fall back. He's thirty seven

800
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: years old and he's got one hundred million dollars in

801
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: the bank, which I'm sure he's got some smart investments,

802
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Like who knows, I mean, he could have way more

803
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: than that. So I think part of Stafford is like

804
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: you better be very careful. It's like all the money

805
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: in the world, like you are an athlete, Like that's

806
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: this is what people discuss for then till you're buried

807
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: about your life, right about your career, like as a

808
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: father and all that stuff is more important. But like

809
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of look at Kevin Durant's career the last

810
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: five or six years, kind of sad, it's kind of irrelevant,

811
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: kind of does not matter, And you never want to

812
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: end in irrelevancy when you've got a chance to be

813
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: pretty legendary. And I would say Stafford and maybe doesn't

814
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: care about this, has become pretty legendary, Like the transition

815
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: he had with the Rams, won a Super Bowl and

816
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: has helped them create one of the best teams in

817
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: the NFL, and he's gotten really rich doing it. I

818
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: commend the Rams for doing this, Like, listen, Matt, we

819
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: love you. I got no problem going on podcasts and

820
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: saying waxing poetic about what you mean to us, your value,

821
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: how we can't even quantify it. But this is a

822
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: business and we can't pay you two years one hundred

823
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's not gonna happen. Not because we don't

824
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: think you're worth that we do, but the way we're

825
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: building this team with our cap like, we can't pay that,

826
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna pay that. So I commend the

827
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: Rams like that takes balls, you know what. That's how

828
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: you run a good business, and that's how you sustain

829
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: a good business. Because if all of a sudden this

830
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: year Stafford looks old and you've given them two years

831
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars kind of stuck. The Rams like, yeah,

832
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: we're not getting stuck. And I think most teams get

833
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: so emotional. I mean I saw with the forty nine

834
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: ers with the IU situation like that was stupid. Should

835
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: have traded him before the draft, and if they could

836
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: do it over again, they would have. And hell, Stafford

837
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: won them Super Bowl and the Rams aren't even that emotional. Hell,

838
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: he just went He almost beat the Eagles on the

839
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: road in the cold. How you run a good business?

840
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: The best teams in NFL history have been kind of

841
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: cut throat. Look at the Chiefs. They traded Tyreek Hill

842
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: and for three straight years they went to the Super Bowl.

843
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: It's like who their wide receivers? Has it mattered? Two

844
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: super Bowls three years went to another one. That's pretty good, Belichick,

845
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: zero E motion. I'm listening to your podcast. You're talking

846
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: about the Browns getting a haul for Miles and having

847
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: the second overall pick. As a Seahawks fan, I had

848
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: a massive trade idea. DK has been rumored to be

849
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: available and Rashad Jenkins has been given permission to seek

850
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: a trade. Could a trade between Seattle and Cleveland work?

851
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Speaker 1: Seattle gets Garrett and a second round pick, Cleveland gets Dk,

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00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Jenkins GINO pick eighteen fifty and a first in a

853
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: second round in twenty six and twenty seven, Seattle has

854
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: a chance at cam Ward or Carter. Oh and the

855
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: second and the second pick, Seattle gets a chance at

856
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: cam Ward or Carter. Brown's get a bridge quarterback, a

857
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: safety playing at a high level in multiple picks, plus

858
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: a huge addition to the wide receiver room. There's a

859
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: lot going on in this trade. So you get Miles

860
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: Garrett in the second overall pick, and they get Geno Smith.

861
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: The problem with the Geno Smith thing is Gino wants

862
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: a lot of money. So Gino wants a contract extension,

863
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: and the Browns have They owe Watson ninety million dollars.

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00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: So I don't think you've got a lot of moving

865
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: parts here and a lot of picks and first rounders

866
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: and second rounders exchanging hands. I do think the problem

867
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: for this is I don't think Cleveland would be in

868
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: the Geno Smith business because they couldn't give him like

869
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 1: an eighty million dollar contract extension. You know, like three

870
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: years he's making twenty five million. Now, let's say you

871
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: give him thirty five million, three years, one hundred and

872
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars and guarantee eighty or ninety. Then you'd

873
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: have Deshaun and Gino making a combined you know, you'd

874
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: owe them guaranteed money one hundred and fifty hundred and

875
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars. I don't think you can do that.

876
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I hear what you're saying. And this

877
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: is pretty intriguing. This is kind of an NBA ish,

878
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: but I think the geno thing ends that. I think

879
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: if you're Cleveland, you're in the business of drafting one

880
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks number two overall, and you trade Miles

881
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: to get a bunch more picks to then build around

882
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: him and kind of make this transition. Nick Chubb free

883
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: agent probably gone, Miles Garrett gone, and you kind of

884
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: transition out of this, which you know, tough predicament to

885
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: be in, but kind of is what it is. I

886
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: think that'll that's our last question for the day. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: everyone has a good weekend. We will, we'll talk soon

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Speaker 1: and have a good time doing whatever you're doing. Peace

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Speaker 1: the volume