1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcast news. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: They could have a major impact on the Republican primary 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: trail or not, because we're talking about Donald Trump. Either way, 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: it's quite a headline. Donald Trump classified documents trials set 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: from May twenty twenty twenty four May twenty a moment 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: after Super Tuesday. With some pretty big states it'll be 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: voting that week, like Georgia. US District Judge Eileen Cannon 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: set the date following a closely watched pre trial hearing 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: earlier in the month. While prosecutors will not be able 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: to try the case this year, Cannon's move is a 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: significant setback for Donald Trump. You'd asked her to set 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: no trial date as he navigates various trials pending criminal 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: probes and his presidential campaign to do this after the election, 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: and so the former president was asked on a radio 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: show in Iowa, this is the Cimon Conway Show, about 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: what would happen if they put you in jail? 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: His answer, I think It's a very dangerous thing to 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: even talk about, because we do have a tremendously passionate 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: group of voters, and I mean, maybe you know, maybe 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 3: one hundred, one hundred and fifty. I've never seen anything 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: like it, much more passion than they had in twenty twenty, 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: and much more passion than they had in twenty sixteen. 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: I think it would be very dangerous. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: It'd be very dangerous. He says. We're going to get 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: into this in a few moments with Rick and Jeanie, 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: but we first have some time with Dave Ahrenberg, which 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: is great on a day like this. The Palm Beach 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: County State Attorney is back with us here on Bloomberg's 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: sound On, and Dave, I do appreciate your time. I 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: don't think you believed the initial trial date. Do you 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: believe this one? 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 4: Let's good be back with you, Joe. I think the 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: the trial date is pretty decent. I think it could last. 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: But I never believed it was happening in December. I 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: never believed that Judge Cannon would postpone it beyond the 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: election all at once. What I think could happen is, 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: as I've been calling it, death by a thousand paper 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 4: cuts where she sets it in May and then gives 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: Trump an additional delay here and there, and pretty soon 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 4: you can't have it before the election, and Trump gets 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 4: what he wants, and at that point it's hard for 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: her to get reversed. Had she given Trump everything he 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: wanted and postponed indefinitely, she would have been reversed by 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 4: the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeal and likely would have 48 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 4: had the case taken away from her. 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So and with that in mind, I think the 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: case taken away from her is a pretty big deal. 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: But what kind of appeal will we see or what 52 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: mechanism does the Trump team have to push back on this. 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 4: There's a hearing a month before when it the May 54 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: day to talk about the admissibility of these classified documents. 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: Going to file a series of emotions to dismiss, to 56 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: challenge Evan Quirkran's notes, the attorney client privilege protected notes 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: that were pierced that the government got because of the 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: crime fraud exception. 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 5: So he's going to challenge that. 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 4: He's going to go document by document that tried to 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 4: challenge the admissibility. So there are plenty of reasons for 62 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: Judge kenned to delay matters further if she wanted to. 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 4: We'll see, But I think so far the ruling she 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: made today was pretty normal. I don't think she has 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 4: shown any overbiased towards him. I think last year, when 66 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: she made those rulings that were really criticized, that was 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: a bridge too far for the appellate courts and for 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: people like me who thought that she was showing bias. 69 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: Now I think she is back within the margins. 70 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: Maybe trying to make up for it. I mean, should 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: a Florida judge be mindful of the primary campaign schedule? 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 5: Well, she said she's not. In fact, in the order 73 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 5: said that she was not. 74 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: She has no obligation to though. Is the point right? 75 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 5: Dave Right? 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: I think that she knows if she If she invoked politics, 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: it's more likely that she'll be reversed if she does. 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: Her makes her decisions based on the quantity of documents 79 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 4: and the need for the Defense Council to review the documents. 80 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: And also you have a federal law there, SIPA, which 81 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 4: requires certain clearances, and if she just makes her ruling 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: based on that and not based on politics, I think 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: she won't be reversed. And she can keep delaying this 84 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 4: pretty much beyond the election. But the moment she steps 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: into politics, it sets off a lot of alarm bells 86 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: and I think puts her rulings in jeopardy. 87 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: Wow, there's a lot on the line here, obviously, Dave. 88 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: And if you look at the Bloomberg terminal today, you 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: find a story with the headline Trump could face up 90 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: to six trials during primary election season. It would be 91 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: difficult for most Americans to actually I identify all six 92 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: of these. That's how much legal action he's facing here. 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: Which are you watching most closely? Is it this classified 94 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: documents case? 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 5: Yeah? 96 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 4: Of the six, there are a couple that are civil trials, 97 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: like the e Gen Carroll trial that's coming back again 98 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 4: because Trump keeps repeating the same lines about her. But 99 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: of the four criminal cases, those are the ones I'm 100 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 4: following most closely because they're the ones that have the 101 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: ability to deprive Trump of his freedom. So of those 102 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: four cases, I would rank him Joe as the following 103 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: from strongest to lea strong and number one is the 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: mar A Lago documents case. 105 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 5: They've got him on that one. I mean, there is 106 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 5: no defense. Trump doesn't have a defense. 107 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: He hasn't stated a defense other than he did classify 108 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: the documents, but that's debunked by that recording from bed Minster. 109 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 4: So I think that's gonna be the biggest problem for Trump. 110 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 4: The second one will be the Fannie Willis case in Atlanta, 111 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 4: the one where he says on tape, find me eleven 112 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: seven hundred and eighty votes. That's pretty powerful evidence against him, 113 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 4: and it looks like they may even charge him with 114 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 4: Rico racketeering, which we know from the Mobster movies, but 115 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: it's not just for the mafia anymore. Third, I would 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 4: rank the January sixth case that's coming that though, I 117 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: think is the most important case because it involves the 118 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: attempted to overthrow of our democracy, but the evidence there 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: is not as strong as the other two cases in 120 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: my opinion. And then fourth is the New York case, 121 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 4: which may ironically Joe go first. That's set for March, 122 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: two months before the mar Lago documents case. 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: You talked about the rico charge. To think that a 124 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: former president could be put away on the same charge 125 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: that they got Buddy ciancy on in Providence, Rhode Island 126 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: is pretty incredible here. But with all of that said, 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: Thank you. By the way, I didn't even have to 128 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 2: ask you to rank them, Dave. That was actually pretty 129 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: incredible and informative. With that said, your closest to the 130 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: sun down there in Florida. Do you have a guess 131 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: on when that trial begins. 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: Well, other than May twentieth, I think I still think 133 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: that it is more likely than not that this trial 134 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: occurs after the election. Now for those who say that, well, 135 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: that means Trump will not face the music. He's going 136 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: to get away with it now, I actually think is 137 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: more likely that the upcoming January sixth election interference case 138 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: the fees are about to. 139 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 5: File will go first. 140 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: And I think it goes first because you don't have 141 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: complicated classified documents at play, you don't have the SEEPA 142 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: law at play that requires lawyers to get clearances, and 143 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: the setting there. The venue will be in Washington, d C. 144 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: Where they're used to these kinds of cases. They've already 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: had hundreds of cases filed about this, and you have 146 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: a Washington DC judge who's not going to put up 147 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: with any shenanigans from the defendant. 148 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 5: They're going to want to get this case done fast. 149 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: So my bet is you're going to see the Washington 150 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: d C case go before the mar Lago documents matter. 151 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: Fascinating. This is great from Dave Ehrenberg, the Palm Beach 152 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: County State Attorney. Dave, lastly, you mentioned the case in Georgia. 153 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: For a long time, folks were predicting that would drop 154 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: if there is an indictment, Fulton County would drop in August. 155 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: Do you think that's true? 156 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And Fannie Willis has said it's going to happen 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: in late July or early August. 158 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: It's happening. 159 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: And you know how I know, Joe, it's because she 160 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: said that people in the security apparatus in the area 161 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: need to be prepared for like a major announcement. 162 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 5: Well, what do you think that is. Obviously it's going 163 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 5: to be Donald Trump's indictment. 164 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it's not going to be an announcement of 165 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: really Giuliani's indictment. I mean, he's not a big deal anymore, 166 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: although I do think he'll be indicted with Trump. But 167 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: clearly she's preparing people for the indictment of the former president. 168 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: At the time she made the announcement, it would have 169 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: been the first ever indictment of a former president. 170 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 5: But now it's like old hat at this. 171 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: Point, unbelievable. Really, enjoy the time whenever you have it. 172 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: Dave Ahrenberg, thanks for coming back to see us. Palm 173 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: Beach County State Attorney with us on Bloomberg Radio. I'm 174 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Joe Matthew in Washington. Let's assemble the panel. Only imagine 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: what Rick and Genie think about this. Bloomberg Politics contributors 176 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: Genie Shanze No and Rick Davis. Rick, You've been obviously 177 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: tied to more than one presidential campaign. You've managed a 178 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: presidential campaign. What in the world would you do if 179 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: there was a trial that dropped here in the middle 180 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: to the end of May, right in the throes of 181 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: primary voting. 182 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 183 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 7: No, The complexity of this situation transcends anything anybody in 184 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 7: politics has ever seen. I mean, look, the primary schedule, 185 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 7: the caucus schedule on its own has got complexity. And 186 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 7: then when you had debates to that, that adds to 187 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 7: the complexity. And then when you had fundraising to that, 188 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 7: you know where you can just got to move all 189 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 7: around the country to pick up the dough to do 190 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 7: all this, that adds complexity to it. And in any 191 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 7: controversy or crisis, you know, campaign shut down to deal 192 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 7: with that. That adds complexity, and then you overlay that 193 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 7: with multiple jurisdictions around the country. In states, by the way, 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 7: you are not active campaigning in where you have to 195 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 7: show up or your cant or your lawyers have to 196 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 7: show up to try cases. And the amount of time 197 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 7: that the candidate himself has to invest in dealing with 198 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 7: his lawyers on strategy and testimony and whatnot. It's far 199 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 7: beyond anything you would normally see happen in a campaign 200 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 7: and has to affect the viability of the Trump campaign 201 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 7: just by being distracted to this level. 202 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: Who does this advantage Genie? 203 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 8: Well, you know when you think about the fact that 204 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 8: he could really be the presumptive nominee if this trial 205 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 8: goes forward in May, which I doubt because this is 206 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 8: really like when you hire a contractor and they say 207 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 8: it's going to take six months and it becomes eighteen. 208 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 8: I really don't think this trial is going to go 209 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 8: forward in May. But if he did, if it did rather, 210 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 8: he would be the presump. He could be the presumptive nominee, 211 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 8: and that is really really damaging to the Republican Party, 212 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 8: who's then going to have to go into a convention 213 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 8: with this. But I think we're still a long way off, 214 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 8: you know, as much as as we look, and he's 215 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 8: so far ahead. There is no universe in which you 216 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 8: are applying for any job, let alone to be president 217 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 8: of the United States, and four indictments and six trials 218 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 8: are your calling card. So I still hold out hope 219 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 8: that this is not going to be who the Republicans 220 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 8: end up with. But at this point it is, you know, 221 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 8: all the damage to the Republican Party if this goes forward. 222 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: I want to turn you to It's a very quick 223 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: video that Donald Trump retweeted from magapacmaga dot com. He 224 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: say tweeted what am I saying? Jennie, he retruthed it. 225 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: This is a nine second video. I had to bleep 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: it to play it on the air. It's fully produced. 227 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: What you see as a black and white image of 228 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: his eyes and just the top of his nose. Essentially 229 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: imagine a sort of like a Marvel bad Guy scene. 230 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: It's in black and white, and this is what you hear. Again, 231 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: I had to bleep what he's seeing. 232 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 6: We are going to do things to you that have 233 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 6: never been done before. 234 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: If you f as you heard around with us. We're 235 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: going to do things to you that have never been 236 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: done before. What in the world is going on here. 237 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 7: Rick, Oh, it's anybody's guess. Donald Trump has made all 238 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 7: kinds of threats along the lines of these prosecutions that 239 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 7: have actually not resulted in much. I don't discount the 240 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 7: threat that he is to society. We've seen, you know 241 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 7: what he was able to conjure up on January sixth 242 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 7: in twenty twenty. But the reality is he said, you know, 243 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 7: we got to hit the streets, we got to do 244 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 7: this stuff when he was getting prosecuted in New York, 245 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 7: and generally speaking, other than sort of curiosity seekers, nobody 246 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 7: showed up. You know, we haven't seen the kind of 247 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 7: stampede around these big legal events you would have otherwise 248 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 7: thought the militias and people that we know are partial 249 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 7: to Donald Trump. So I don't want to I don't 250 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 7: want to diminish it. It's obviously, you know, a dog 251 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 7: whistle for violence. But I'm just wondering if all these 252 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 7: prosecutions on January sixth perpetrators have maybe dulled the movement 253 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 7: a bit, and you know, people think twice about hitting 254 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 7: the streets before, you know, whenever Donald Trump asked them to. 255 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: It's a great question, Genie. You wrote a column recently 256 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 2: that we talked about, an opinion piece on how the 257 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: more indictments we get it could mean the less impact 258 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: because they start to become noise and it's easy to 259 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: call them weaponizing the DOJ and so forth. But when 260 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: you hear or see something like that, it's kind of scary. 261 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: Is he trying to mobilize the magabase so he can 262 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 2: keep raising money or is he actually trying to get 263 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 2: someone to do something stupid. 264 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 8: I think he's trying to get exactly what he got 265 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 8: in January sixth, exactly what he called for with the standback, 266 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 8: stand by to the Proud Boys. He is trying to 267 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 8: do that again. This is all a part of his 268 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 8: you know, sort of quest to say that you are 269 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 8: either with the Biden, as he calls it, DOJ weaponized DOJ, 270 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 8: or you are with me, you know. And I do 271 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 8: hope that Rick is right, because we did see the 272 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 8: indictments in Manhattan and Miami when he called for similar protests, 273 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 8: and just about the only one who showed up besides 274 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 8: a few you know, interested parties, was Marjorie Taylor Green 275 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 8: and she left promptly because she was by herself. 276 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: A great dive with Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis, Bloomberg 277 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: Politics contributors. This is Bloomberg. 278 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the 279 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 280 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business App. 281 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 282 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: flagship New York station, Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 283 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: We talked yesterday. They took a deep dive on AI. Yes, 284 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: and I guess that was a present conversation because today 285 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: the White House is having a conversation about AI. I'm 286 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: just not sure what's going to come of it. 287 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, we were talking yesterday about how the speed of 288 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 9: AI technology is very rapid. It's moving very quickly. The 289 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 9: speed of the Washington response to it seems to be 290 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 9: moving a little bit slower. But President Biden seems like 291 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 9: he's trying to kick in the gear. He gave remarks 292 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 9: earlier this afternoon. He says he's going to work with 293 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 9: both parties to try to get legislation and regulation done 294 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 9: it's just a question of timing. 295 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: Joe, Well, that's true, and he spoke to those rapid 296 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: changes a short time ago. 297 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 10: We'll see more technology change in the next ten years, 298 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 10: or even in the next few years, than we've seen 299 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 10: in the last fifty years. That has been an astounding 300 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 10: revelation to me. Quite frankly, artificial intelligence is going to 301 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 10: transform the lives of people around the world. The group 302 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 10: here will be critical in shepherding that innovation with responsibility 303 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 10: and safety by deign to earn the trust of Americans. 304 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: That group here is. It is quite the list. Amazon, 305 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: Alphabet Meta, Microsoft, Open Ai, a couple of fledgling companies. 306 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: You may have heard of, uh and you know your 307 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: favorite BUZZWORDT safeguards. Heard that a lot of times today. 308 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: And they're voluntary. So there are questions about whether this 309 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: actually adds up to anything. And I'm guessing Senator Cassidy 310 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: has an opinion on that. 311 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 9: I would guess so as well. 312 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: The gentleman from Louisiana is with a Senator Bill Cassidy, 313 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: welcome back to Bloomberg Radio. Well, I absolutely, I mean 314 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: I think of you as a doctor, so you're smarter 315 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: than I am. Already do you understand how AI works 316 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: and how Washington should address it? 317 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 11: Well, I want thanks for the compliment. Probably not true. 318 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 11: I don't understand how AI works. Well I do in 319 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 11: the sense that imagine that you could simultaneously or almost 320 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 11: simultaneously be able to analyzes would ever have been exposed 321 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 11: to you and your life at the same time, from 322 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 11: the time that you were in first grade and you 323 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 11: remember the young girl across the way when she dropped 324 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 11: her pencil house you picked it up all the way 325 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 11: to the conversation that we're having now now, if we 326 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 11: can think about that simultaneously almost being able to integrate 327 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 11: all that information, that's how I think of AI now. 328 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 11: Of course, your experiences are been basically pretty benign. AI 329 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 11: obviously has the potential to take that and allow somebody 330 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 11: with bad intention to deny to to totally violate somebody's 331 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 11: power up privacy as one example, to violate a whole 332 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 11: nation's privacy as another example, to be able to penetrate 333 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 11: into your secrets, to begin to form how you think 334 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 11: by nudging you in a variety of ways that you 335 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 11: don't even know about. But it also has the ability 336 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 11: to find cures for diseases that would otherwise take decades 337 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 11: to find, but it would do it within mine. 338 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 9: Okay, So, Senator, what I'm kind of hearing from you 339 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 9: is that there is reason to be excited about this technology, 340 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 9: but there also may be is reason to fear it. 341 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's well, my gosh, it's like, you know, somebody 342 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 11: once said you could write an article how the Internet 343 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 11: is the greatest thing in the world, and you could 344 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 11: write an article how the Internet is the worst thing 345 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 11: in the world. So the AI is really is a tool, 346 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 11: and how do we use the tool? And that's where 347 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 11: I think Washington potentially has a role, not to try 348 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 11: and put a straight jacket on it, but rather just 349 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 11: to make sure that we protect you, me, and all 350 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 11: of us from the excesses of the technology. 351 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: If Washington can't figure out crypto, never mind what to 352 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: do with social media those senators, should we be waiting 353 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: around for a legislative solution here or are we just 354 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: happy talking? 355 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 5: Joe. 356 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 11: That's a great that's a great critique, and that is 357 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 11: a challenge. But this is moving fast, and I think 358 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 11: there's an awareness among my colleagues that we need to 359 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 11: do something. And by the way, it is so new, 360 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 11: no one has their partisan camp. So I'd like to 361 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 11: think that we can actually put politics aside accomplish something 362 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 11: again because nobody has a partisan camp. This is something 363 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 11: which is just kind of dawning on us. It's been 364 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 11: around for a while. I been around for a long 365 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 11: time kind of but in terms of the implications, those 366 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 11: are just becoming a parent now. 367 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 9: And we've had a lot of conversations, Senator, with many 368 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 9: people on this program about AI and its use in 369 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 9: defense and the concerns around that. Just on the subject 370 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 9: of defense, I know AI is part of that conversation, 371 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 9: but the NDAA, Senator, are you concerned about funding the Pentagon? 372 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 9: How do you see this all shaking out at the 373 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 9: end of the day. 374 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 11: Well, I'm not concerned about funding the Pentagon. The Pentagon 375 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 11: assures that they are trying to use AI in a 376 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 11: responsible fact. Now you might think that's oxymoronic. Out of 377 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 11: the Department of Defense knew something, won't They seek every 378 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 11: edge they can. But for example, you might have AI 379 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 11: be able to do an analysis of somebody who is 380 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 11: an enemy that you would want to take out. But 381 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 11: AI also tells you that if you attack the enemy 382 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 11: at the location where she currently is she's next to 383 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 11: a hospital, and do you really want to damage the hospital? 384 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 11: And AI would give you feedback, No, this is not 385 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 11: what you wish to do right now. 386 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: So there is a. 387 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 11: Way to build AI in a way that preserves our values. 388 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 11: It can also say, well, wait a second, over in 389 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 11: this location. Now you can't really see it, except maybe 390 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 11: we've picked up some signal intelligence. Yes, we've verified it. 391 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 11: There is a unit which is guiding this component of 392 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 11: the battlefield, and you take that out selectively, that would 393 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 11: be good AI, if you will, in the context of war. 394 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 11: So I think that there is a real promise, but 395 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 11: also I see how values can be instilled in your application. 396 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: Yea. 397 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: Kayley refers to an important concern though, Senator, and that's 398 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: the debate over the National Defense Authorization Act, which has 399 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: been bogged down in a back and forth over social 400 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: issues and the abortion policy at the Pentagon, among other things, 401 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: diversity issues. You're taking a really different path in the Senate, 402 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: at least your colleagues are than the House. Did do 403 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: you think that becomes law? 404 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 11: I do think that the one put it is right. 405 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 11: Nothing passes in the current Congress unless you have Democrats 406 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 11: and Republicans both supporting it. And if you just look 407 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 11: at the dynamics, Democrats control the Senate, Republicans the House. 408 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 11: The House is going through product is going to reflect 409 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 11: Republican concerns. The Senate product because you need Republicans to 410 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 11: support it, but you still have a Democratic leader will 411 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 11: probably be a little bit more I hate to say 412 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 11: it this way, but you know what I mean, playing vanilla. 413 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 11: It'll be more limited to actually what the traditional NDA 414 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 11: budget looks like, not defending that, not saying it's good, 415 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 11: not saying it's bad. That's just what it's going to 416 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 11: look like. Then it goes back to the House and 417 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 11: probably gets passed on the House side. 418 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 9: I was easy, Okay, Yeah, it seems like it might 419 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 9: be ultimately easier said than done as we talk about 420 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 9: the NDAA and the social issues kind of working their 421 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 9: way into the defense of the US President. Biden was 422 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 9: just speaking urging the Senate to approve the outstanding military nomination, saying, Senator, 423 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 9: what Senator Tubberville is doing isn't only wrong but dangerous. 424 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 9: Are we getting to dangerous territory with now hundreds of 425 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 9: these promotions held up? 426 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 11: Senator Well, I suspect that the people whose promotions are 427 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 11: being held up. Are still doing their duty, still taking 428 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 11: their oath seriously to support and defend the constitution of 429 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 11: the United States. Are they being denied advancement? Yes, And 430 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 11: obviously that's the rub. Now. If I were to channel 431 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 11: Senator Tubberville, he would say that the spirit of this 432 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 11: is that the Pentagon is not supposed to be playing 433 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 11: for abortions, but instead they're giving people pay leave in 434 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 11: order to go get abortions. That's his position. There's certain 435 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 11: there's a certain kind of okay, that makes sense kind 436 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 11: of so I'm not sure quite how it's going to resolve. 437 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 11: I think he wants to vote on the issue. I 438 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 11: think Senator Schumer, the leader of the Senate, is offering 439 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 11: him a vote with some conditions. I think we'll probably 440 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 11: work this out. I'm not party of that conversation, but 441 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 11: I think we will. 442 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: We were talking a moment ago, Senator about the NDAA, 443 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: and I know that last time you were here we 444 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: discussed your America's Act, which has an eye on competition 445 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: with China. When you have an opportunity to bring amendments, 446 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: will that be part of the bill. 447 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 11: No, the Americans Act won't be part of India NBAA, 448 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 11: but we are working on it. And just to summarize, 449 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 11: the United States has not had a coherent policy to 450 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 11: the Western hemisphere since John F. Kennedy. And every four 451 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 11: years or eight years, depending on how often a president 452 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 11: has long president serves, we kind of lurch back and forth. 453 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 11: But most of the time we lurch is to some 454 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 11: sort of incoherent policy which is fully followed through. Why 455 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 11: important because China is making incursions into Latin America, and 456 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 11: even independently of China, but somewhat related there is there 457 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 11: is a turn towards economic turmoil leading to political autocracies, 458 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 11: and that is unleashing millions of people coming from Central 459 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 11: and South America into the United States. We've got to 460 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 11: start on winding that our America's Act uses American values, 461 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 11: the possibility of RAID, elevating living standards to the benefit 462 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 11: of those of us in the United States to those 463 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 11: of us who are in Latin America in a way 464 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 11: which goes after corruption, encourages investment, encourages trade, and encourages 465 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 11: meeting human needs in the United States. We've got bipartisan support. 466 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 11: Michael Bennett's my co lead, the Senator from Colorado, we're 467 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 11: building out more support. We need a coherent policy. We 468 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 11: think the America's Act is that coherent policy. 469 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 9: All right, Senator, I'm so glad we had some time 470 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 9: to speak with you on substantive policy today. But just 471 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 9: given the day that it is, this Friday, I had 472 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 9: of a weekend of a double feature movie marathon for 473 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 9: many moviegoers. Would you like to weigh in on the 474 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 9: Senate debate of Oppenheimer versus Barbie? Senator? 475 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 11: Well, I'm kind of an Oppenheimer kind of guy, and 476 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 11: all my daughters are a little bit old for Barbie, 477 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 11: so I'll probably go with the Oppenheimer. But you know, 478 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 11: it's kind of a fun debate. 479 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: I thought the answer, Senator, I thought the answer was both. 480 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: That's what I thought you were going to say. 481 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 11: Well, you know, I gotta be honest. Anybody that looks 482 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 11: at what I do in life would say, not really 483 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 11: a Barbie guy. 484 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: Fair enough, Senator, thanks for coming in, and I hope 485 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: things are well in Louisiana. Republican Senator Bill Cassidy with 486 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 2: us here on Bloomberg sound On. 487 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg sound On podcast. Catch us 488 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot Com, the 489 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 490 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcast. 491 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: Interesting. The idea of a No Labels or Unity candidate. 492 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: We started the week with this conversation on Monday, Kaylee, 493 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: when Joe Manchin and John Huntsman went to New Hampshire. YEP, 494 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: the idea that maybe half of the electorate, according to 495 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: one poll this week, might consider voting for a third 496 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: party candidate. And everyone's in a lather about this and 497 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: who it might impact if it happens. We talked to 498 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: Pat McCrory, the former governor of North Carolina who's national 499 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: coachare of No Labels, and he made a little bit 500 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,479 Speaker 2: of news. He told us they were going to wait 501 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: till Super Tuesday to decide if they were going to 502 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: run a candidate. And he doesn't buy the conventional wisdom. 503 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 12: As we heard, the historians are all saying, the pundent 504 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 12: historians are all going, well, there's no way a third 505 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 12: party could win. Well, there's never been a circumstance where 506 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 12: the two parties and the leading candidates have been so 507 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 12: far disconnected with the majority of American people. Yeah, and 508 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 12: you know, people are looking for, I think right now, 509 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 12: a voice of common sense, a voice of leadership, a 510 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 12: voice of bringing people together. 511 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: But it's interesting how the whole idea changes when you 512 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: put a name on it. 513 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, well at least it does. According to this 514 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 9: Monmouth University poll that came out yesterday. 515 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: It could have a generic situation. 516 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 9: In a generic situation, you have thirty percent of people 517 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 9: that were pulled that would definitely or probably support a 518 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 9: third party ticket. 519 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 2: Which sounds significant, right, And that's what we've kind of 520 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: until now. 521 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 9: Right then you make that third party ticket Mansion and Hudsman, 522 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 9: and two percent would definitely support that ticket, fourteen percent 523 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 9: probably would, so it is what half the number. 524 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: And forty four percent definitely definitely would not. So maybe 525 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: something called candidate quality does matter in this case as well. 526 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: It changes the entire picture. But that's the problem with 527 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: a lot of hypotheticals. When you look at the generic 528 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: matchup or so, it doesn't really tell us a lot. 529 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: And that's why we wanted to spend some time with 530 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: Ryan teak Beck with Bloomberg Politics reporter, no stranger to 531 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: polls or this particular story. Even again, you mentioned this 532 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: is Monmouth University, and they did this quite recently here 533 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: July twelve to seventeen. Good to see, Ryan. This is 534 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: not an unusual phenomenon in polling when you put something 535 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: generic up against an actual name. 536 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 13: This is an idea that people love. 537 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 14: They love the idea just as they used to love 538 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 14: the idea of an outsider businessman running for president until 539 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 14: you put a name on it. And in fact, I 540 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 14: would point out that it has happened before. Abraham Lincoln 541 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 14: chose Andrew Johnson, a Southern Democrat, and ran as a 542 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 14: Unity Party ticket, not as a Republican for re election 543 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 14: and uh and and one. It may have helped him win. 544 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 14: I don't really know, because it's hard to go back 545 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 14: and see what made someone win way back then. But 546 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 14: it was also an unmitigated disaster. Andrew Johnson showed up 547 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 14: drunk to his own vice presidential inauguration and turned out 548 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 14: to be one of the worst presidents in history. But 549 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 14: but the idea got him over the finish life. The 550 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 14: idea is attractive and people like that. The problem is 551 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 14: uh and and and John McCain thought about this. He 552 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 14: really wanted to have Joe Lieberman. But as soon as 553 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 14: you get down to brass tacks and you start saying, well, okay, 554 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 14: what how would people from the one party respond to 555 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 14: Joe Lieberman. 556 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 13: Being the vice president? 557 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: Not a chance. 558 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 13: It It just becomes hard. 559 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 14: It just becomes really hard, and especially for the exact 560 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 14: reasons they're citing that we're so poled. 561 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 13: And I found that interesting. 562 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 14: In the poll they asked would you vote for Joe 563 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 14: Manchin with John Huntsman and his running mate? And then 564 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 14: they also flipped it and said would you vote for 565 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 14: John Huntsman with Joe Manchin a his running mate? And 566 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 14: it didn't really change it. And I think if you're 567 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 14: talking about flipping the two candidates like that in that order, 568 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 14: it should right, like it should matter. So I think 569 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 14: that's the kind of person that they tend to come 570 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 14: up with, who could run for a no labels thing 571 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 14: on a unity ticket. Tends to be a kind of 572 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 14: centrist of a certain sort who turns off a lot 573 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 14: of voters too. I mean, I know, we kind of 574 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 14: tend to think of centrism as like common sense and 575 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 14: everyone loves centrism, but actually a lot of people don't 576 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 14: like centrism when it's not. 577 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 13: On the thing that they want. So the other problem 578 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 13: here is age. 579 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 14: So the people who are the most likely to vote 580 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 14: for a third party candidate are the people who've had 581 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 14: the least experience voting for one party or the other. 582 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 13: So the younger voters, the people who are first. 583 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 14: Voting, are the ones who are really open to like 584 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 14: a Ralph Nader in two thousand and they and they 585 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 14: did because they're not accustomed to always punching that lever 586 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 14: from one party or the other, and they're a little 587 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 14: bit less into the real politic of like, I can't 588 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 14: let the other guy win. 589 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 13: That would be a disaster. 590 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 14: So if you're trying to think of like who would 591 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 14: like twenty year olds, who are you know, maybe thinking 592 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 14: of a flirting with a third party most likely to 593 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 14: support it's not Joe Manchin. 594 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 13: I don't know, I don't know. 595 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 5: It's just not. 596 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 14: And it's not John Huntsman, who hasn't even been in 597 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 14: politics in their living memory. You know that these are 598 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 14: not people that are thinking back to oh yeah, John Huntsman, 599 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 14: he had that motorcycles. 600 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: It's funny too, because they're not really they're terribly popular 601 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: with the row parties, right. 602 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 9: Right, No, that's a very good point, But I mean 603 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 9: I understand Ryan, if we're talking about this, isn't a 604 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 9: ticket that would win? Is the question we should be asking? 605 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 9: Is it a ticket that could take enough support from 606 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 9: either side to shift what ultimately would be the outcome 607 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 9: of the election. I mean, if we're talking sixteen percent 608 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 9: here in this Monmouth poll, does that sixteen percent come 609 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 9: from the left come from the right? Isn't that the 610 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 9: real question? 611 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 11: Yeah? 612 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 14: I think that the concern among Democrats has been that 613 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 14: a Joe Manchin type third party candidate who could peel 614 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 14: off those sort of soft Republicans who just didn't like Trump, 615 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 14: who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump and 616 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 14: liked Biden because he was sort of a middle of 617 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 14: the road familiar face, that they would be the ones 618 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 14: who'd be he would peel away, And that's certainly possible. 619 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 14: I thought, weirdly, this poll showed Biden still winning even 620 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 14: with a mansion in there, and I don't know, because 621 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 14: the dynamic is so weird. I think, as Governor McCrory 622 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 14: pointed out, like these are two very unpopular candidates, and 623 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 14: most people who are going to be voting at twenty 624 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 14: twenty four, if they are the nominees are going to 625 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 14: be voting against. 626 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: Right, and they all wish they had someone else. 627 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 14: Yeah, And so putting someone else up and saying, oh, well, 628 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 14: you could vote for this person, but it might make 629 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 14: the person that you most don't want to win win. 630 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 14: I don't know that that has the same I don't 631 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 14: know that that changes your calculus. 632 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: This also runs a little bit against the grain of 633 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: that unity candidate or no labels candidate would only come 634 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: out of Biden's leads. It's kind of a wash when 635 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: you look at this poll, right, or at least it 636 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: would be less decisive. 637 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 13: That this poll was somewhat reassuring for Democrats, something that 638 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 13: this might not. 639 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: Everyone thinks they have this figured out already, even though 640 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: we're not even talking about a candidate, which. 641 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I mean, this is all. 642 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 14: We also had a story today about oh, they're planning 643 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 14: for a contested convention. 644 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and that every four you maybe there'll be a 645 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: third guy, and we all wish it would be true. 646 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 14: Maybe they'll be a contested convention and it's not gonna happen. 647 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: Earlier in the week, we talked to Mick mulvaney about 648 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: this idea. He had really specific thoughts on this Kayley, 649 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 2: the idea of a third party candidate, former congressman and 650 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: former acting first White House Chief of Staff. 651 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 9: He did, and it was a thought we've heard before. 652 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 9: He thinks the Rock, as in Dwayne the Rock Johnson, 653 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 9: could potentially be a viable presidential Oprah as well. 654 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: Here's how he put it. 655 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 6: I don't think and I told him this, so I'm 656 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 6: not I'm not. I'm not breaking you around here that 657 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 6: unless they go with somebody outside of politics and Oprah 658 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 6: winfree of Dwayne the Rock Johnson, somebody like that, I 659 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 6: don't think you have a chance of winning, but they 660 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 6: certainly have a chance of influencing the outcome. 661 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking Now, imagine this campaign, Ryan seeked 662 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: Beck with can you smell what the Rock is cooking? 663 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 14: You know, I actually have written about this because The 664 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 14: Rock loves to of churiotically say that maybe he might 665 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 14: run for president one day. And and you know, you 666 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 14: can't like dismiss these things anymore because Trump played that. 667 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 13: Card for like twenty years. Every four years, Trump would 668 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 13: say maybe he was. 669 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 14: Gonna run and it wouldn't actually do it, and the 670 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 14: and so I went through to try to see, like 671 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 14: what is The Rock ever said about any political issue? 672 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 13: And he's basically like you would. 673 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 14: Get more of a political platform out of a Hallmark 674 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 14: greeting card. You know, it's he really he's very smart 675 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 14: in that that he says basically nothing while maybe sounding 676 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 14: like he's sort of saying something. And and he always 677 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 14: get that could the Rock run for president headline? If 678 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 14: you google that, you will literally find six stories. 679 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 13: With that exact headline. 680 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 14: You know, so who knows he's he's been. But I 681 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 14: think if I recall correctly, he's been to both the 682 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 14: Republican and Democratic inventions at don't. 683 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 2: Even know what party. See he's made for this. 684 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 9: He didn't door Sidon in twenty twenty. 685 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: That's a good point. That was a different message, absolutely, But. 686 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 14: I think that the the problem would be that everybody 687 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 14: loves the Rock until he starts saying what he thinks 688 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 14: about abortion. And also, I mean, I think if you 689 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 14: look at his movies, he doesn't want to be disliked 690 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 14: by anyone. 691 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 13: He never plays the villain. He doesn't. He plays the same. 692 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: Well not anymore. That's you know, the will go one 693 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 2: yes with the great one Lion Tegue Beckward, thank you 694 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: for coming to see us. We do this every week 695 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: with Ryan. I love this conversation. Bloomberg Politics Reporter. Forgive 696 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 2: me Kayley. 697 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the 698 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 699 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business App. 700 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 701 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: flagship New York station. Just say Alexa pay Bloomberg eleven. 702 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: We've just got numbers on Barbie. 703 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 11: This is huge. 704 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 2: This is big business right here. That's a big number. 705 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 9: Twenty two point three million dollars just in early screenings. 706 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 2: That's before the weekend. Yes, twenty two point three million. 707 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: That's step puts it ahead of Guardians of the Galaxy, 708 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: Top Gun. These are the biggest grossing So is it 709 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 2: the ARB It's already the biggest grossing movie of the 710 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: year if it continues on that. 711 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 9: Track, Yeah, it could be. And just to put this 712 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 9: in context, because of course, this isn't just Barbie's weekend 713 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 9: Joe Well, no, Barbenheimer. 714 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: We know, we know this. 715 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 9: Oppenheimer brought in ten point five million dollars on Thursday. 716 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 2: Than half Barbie. Yeah, I guess, well, geez, the whole 717 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: Barbenheimer double feature thing was supposedly going to help Oppenheimer, 718 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: so we'll see if she can wear off. And it's 719 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: been a big topic of conversation here in Washington, strangely 720 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 2: in the Senate for some reason. Indeed, they're obsessed with Barbenheimer. 721 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 2: Which one you are? Right? If you just scroll the 722 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 2: memes on Twitter, And of course you had to ask 723 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: Senator Bill Cassidy this, Yes, the Republican from Louisiana. 724 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 11: Well, you know, I gotta be honest. Anybody that looks 725 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 11: at what I do in life would say not really 726 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 11: a Barbie guy. 727 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, but he said he was open to it. Last 728 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: evening on Balance of Power, we talked to Senator Warner, 729 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 2: Senator Mark Warner, Democrat from Virginia, who had already posted 730 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: his meme yes of him as Oppenheimer. 731 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 15: I work in the only place in America being a 732 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 15: gang members a good thing means I'm part of every 733 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 15: bipartisan group. So I can go from my aspirational you know, 734 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 15: coolness of Barbie to the hard choices you have to 735 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 15: make as Oppenheimer. So sign me up for the double feature. 736 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 2: He really thought that through didn't. 737 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 9: He he did? I mean that is a politician speaking show. 738 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 739 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: Yes. 740 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know how this creep to the staff members 741 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: must be obsessed with this, because I feel like the 742 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: lawmakers are just sort of trying to catch up. Yeah, 743 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: are you going to You're going to see it this weekend? 744 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 2: Do we have a plan. 745 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 9: I'm gonna try. 746 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 2: You're gonna try to see bar but not both of them. 747 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 8: No. 748 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 9: I do want to see both. I just don't know 749 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 9: if I can do it. 750 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 2: Best the hours long the Oppenheimer. 751 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, but the National Association of Theater Owners thinks two 752 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 9: hundred thousand people will see both on the same day. 753 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 2: That's weird. 754 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 9: Is this awkward? 755 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: Well, I know where you're coming from, Kaylee Lines. 756 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 9: I am beaming from ear to ear any studios. 757 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 2: All right, we're throwing this to New York next. With 758 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 2: apologies to the BusinessWeek crew. I'll beat you, Kaylee later 759 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: on Balance of Power on Bloomberg TV. 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