Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky a juky. I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I los Nandas. Please hey boo, it's me Roz and
Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I
Speaker 1: talk to people that I like about the paranormal. Bridger
Speaker 1: Wineger is back on the show this week. You, of
Speaker 1: course know him from the Exactly Right podcast. I said,
Speaker 1: no gifts. We do get into a story that has
Speaker 1: a very tragic death, and I tried to sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, not put too much emphasis. I know this
Speaker 1: podcast is not like a murdery kind of show, so
Speaker 1: if that's not your thing, it's only like we talk
Speaker 1: about it just a little bit because it is a
Speaker 1: part of the story. I had to put it in there,
Speaker 1: but we mainly focus on a story that involves telekinetic powers.
Speaker 1: It's a good episode you'll enjoy. I think. Before we
Speaker 1: get into that episode, I wanted to tell you that
Speaker 1: I am about to hit the road doing non ghost
Speaker 1: related stand up comedy. I am also working on new
Speaker 1: YouTube content, and I am working on hotels that I'm
Speaker 1: going to be ghost hunting at. It's expensive for me
Speaker 1: to make these videos and time consuming, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say any deadlines or any dates of when they're
Speaker 1: gonna come out, but I am working on them, so
Speaker 1: just know that. But the stand up tour I'm doing,
Speaker 1: which is at mainly gay bars, I'm so excited about,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to so many cities. I mean, at
Speaker 1: the time of recording this, I've probably added way more cities,
Speaker 1: and I've probably even added your city. Some of the
Speaker 1: ones I haven't added, I've tried and it just didn't
Speaker 1: work out. I've tried everywhere, but as of right now,
Speaker 1: here's where I'm going. I'll fire them off for you quickly,
Speaker 1: starting April eleventh, Sacramento, Santa Rosa, Santa Cruz, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, Colorado, Springs, Boise, Detroit, Buffalo, Norwalk, Connecticut, Keene,
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Boston, Instown, Morgantown, West Virginia, Allentown, Pennsylvania, Portland.
Speaker 1: I'm doing two shows in Portland because you You're always
Speaker 1: so nice to me up there, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Chicago, finally
Speaker 1: des Moine, Oklahoma City, Asheville, North Carolina, Atlanta, Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, and hopefully by now I have added Florida
Speaker 1: and Texas states and probably even more. And you get
Speaker 1: all those tickets at roz Hernandez tour dot com. Hopefully
Speaker 1: I'll see you there. Okay, here we go. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about some paranormal stuff. Here's my latest conversation with Bridger
Speaker 1: Winecker and with the show said gifts, Bridger wine.
Speaker 2: Girl, can I start talking?
Speaker 1: Would you bring me?
Speaker 2: I didn't bring anything, but I came to the office
Speaker 2: to get a baby Bell cheese.
Speaker 1: Oh baby Bell cheese. They had those here. They've got
Speaker 1: They've got everything here at exactly right studios.
Speaker 2: I just went through the snack closet. They've updated. It
Speaker 2: feels like.
Speaker 1: Oh God, keep me out of there. I get into
Speaker 1: trouble in there.
Speaker 2: I feel like they've they've turned it into more of
Speaker 2: a thing for adults. Before it felt more like like
Speaker 2: the vending machines we had in middle school. Okay, did
Speaker 2: you have vending machines in your middle school?
Speaker 1: I know I did in high school. I remember when
Speaker 1: I was in high school, they tried to do like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a healthy vending machine. But I don't
Speaker 1: think we did in middle school. I went to Catholic school. Oh, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I just went to simply public school, so okay, you know,
Speaker 1: from seventh till ninth grade, I would just buy a
Speaker 1: little package of mother's cookies for lunch every day. Oh
Speaker 1: so nice. I struggle with being an adult because I
Speaker 1: can do that now if I want to, well.
Speaker 2: Just go to the vending machine and get some cookies.
Speaker 1: Yes, like that's an option now, Like I don't have
Speaker 1: anyone to be like, no, you need to eat a
Speaker 1: real meal.
Speaker 2: Now in your house, do you have a bunch of
Speaker 2: that type of snack or.
Speaker 1: Do I try not to? But sometimes i'm by.
Speaker 2: And what things do you bring into the home? What
Speaker 2: do I bring into the home that's bad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man, I bring a gummy bears are a big so.
Speaker 2: Our gummy worms for me I can't have at my house.
Speaker 1: I have overcome my doughnut problem, which sometimes I still
Speaker 1: if I go, like to stay at a haunted place
Speaker 1: or I'm really stressed, I bring donuts just to be safe.
Speaker 2: I think that's okay to have a little comfort.
Speaker 1: Just to have in case you need it, because there's
Speaker 1: something about the I don't know. I'm a big chewer,
Speaker 1: so when I'm scared, I like to chew. I'm very
Speaker 1: very mouthy.
Speaker 2: What about gum?
Speaker 1: Yeah, gum, gum. Gum's good. So we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about ghosts.
Speaker 2: I'm here to talk about gum.
Speaker 1: So if we could just unfortunately side of your pod
Speaker 1: podcast love gum. But the people that come here come
Speaker 1: here for one reason only.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: So you've been on, We've heard your stories. Don't you worry.
Speaker 2: I've prepared a little bit for us. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: the last less you have new stuff. I mean, the
Speaker 2: last time I was here, I brought you my one
Speaker 2: kind of supernatural paranormal story that I had told you
Speaker 2: wasn't scary. So the fact that my even my one
Speaker 2: story wasn't scary, I was a little nervous about coming
Speaker 2: here today.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't always have to be scary.
Speaker 2: But I think people prefer a scary I think.
Speaker 1: They probably do, But I just ignore when I hear
Speaker 1: people comment that, Yeah, I think it's just all about
Speaker 1: the unexplainable, the unknowable. The unknowable, I mean, and the
Speaker 1: ponder that's my favorite word, is just pondering.
Speaker 2: Ponder is a good word.
Speaker 1: It's just a ponderous.
Speaker 2: I think that kind of falls in the category of
Speaker 2: my favorite word tail and all where it's just like
Speaker 2: those hard those consonants that are very I don't know,
Speaker 2: solid ponder tail.
Speaker 1: And all ponder ponder. So have you been pondering the paranormal?
Speaker 2: Last night? I was in preparation for this, which you do.
Speaker 2: I found a three hour compilation of the At some
Speaker 2: point in the night, there was a docu. I don't
Speaker 2: think they call them docuseries in the nineties, right, we're
Speaker 2: what were we calling these things? News out of things
Speaker 2: like uh, unsolved mysteries and things like that.
Speaker 1: Ah love, but Sightings. I had never heard of Sightings, and.
Speaker 2: I think it must have been on Sci Fi Channel
Speaker 2: or one of these things that we didn't have cable
Speaker 2: as a kid.
Speaker 1: Let's look it up. Sightings was great. Yeah, I loved
Speaker 1: Did you find this on YouTube?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some good episodes. I think we've covered a
Speaker 1: story or two from there. But maybe I need to
Speaker 1: get into Sightings a little bit more for some content.
Speaker 1: So Sightings, according to Wikipedia, is an American paranormal and
Speaker 1: news televisions. It's just like this show. It first aired
Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties. The show began in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: one as a special that was titled the uf OH
Speaker 1: Report Colon Sightings. It was followed by the follow up
Speaker 1: reports Ghost Report and the Psychic Experience OH. It was
Speaker 1: produced by Paramount for Fox TV. It feels very Fox
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Fox I think kind of had a stranglehold on all
Speaker 2: of those, wasn't I feel like Unsolved Mysteries was a
Speaker 2: Fox show, America's most wanted anything that my parents would
Speaker 2: leave on a Friday night and then we would just
Speaker 2: be terrified watching.
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the Masked Magician? No?
Speaker 2: What was that? Oh?
Speaker 1: This piece of shit? Oh, this fucking asshole. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this man was a professional magician, you know how, Like
Speaker 1: the one thing with magicians is you don't tell the secret. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's not what this was. This man put a mask
Speaker 1: on like a and sold out the entire linear of
Speaker 1: magicians for a paycheck. And they would do multiple specials
Speaker 1: in like the nineties, two thousands. Asked Magician, he would
Speaker 1: show you how they cut a lady in half and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Just puts a paper bag over his head and tells
Speaker 2: you how David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty dis
Speaker 2: all of that. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: What an asshole.
Speaker 2: So he was like a former magician who was probably bitter,
Speaker 2: probably and was like, well, I can't make it as
Speaker 2: a real magician, so I'm just going to He's like.
Speaker 1: No one will know it's me. And now, like you know,
Speaker 1: everyone that watched it, they go to the show and
Speaker 1: they're like, I know how that was done. That's not real.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's just like.
Speaker 2: Has to hold his breath for a long time now
Speaker 2: because you can't do the tricks.
Speaker 1: No, they yeah, you nowadays you just have to straight
Speaker 1: up like put a plastic bag over your head and
Speaker 1: hope for the best. And that's what we're calling magic stunts. Yes, stunts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so sightings, you watch Sightings. I know that there are
Speaker 1: episodes on YouTube and I have watched them before. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of great ones I've seen. I want to say,
Speaker 1: there's a really good one. Oh wait, because there's also
Speaker 1: a show called Encounters.
Speaker 2: Oh now, see, this is another thing I could get into.
Speaker 1: Encounters just confusing.
Speaker 2: Encounter sounds like a dating website.
Speaker 1: It really does. But Encounters was also on Fox. And
Speaker 1: see that's the thing. You know what, I blame a
Speaker 1: lot of this on the X Files.
Speaker 2: You think the X Files spawned these ort or they
Speaker 2: like had to stop because of the X File.
Speaker 1: Now, I think the X Files really brought an interest
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Oh, there was also a famous alien
Speaker 1: autopsy that they showed in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Kind of on Everything, Right.
Speaker 1: I think that was a fox but it was such
Speaker 1: a big event that of course was fake, right.
Speaker 2: And my exposure to that was Entertainment Tonight, because I
Speaker 2: remember the report on the special, yes, and so I
Speaker 2: don't think I ever actually saw the special, but I
Speaker 2: saw Entertainment Tonight kind of hyping it.
Speaker 1: Alien Autopsy fact or Fiction is a nineteen ninety five
Speaker 1: pseudo documentary containing grainy black and white footage. I'll be hoaxed.
Speaker 1: Alien Autopsy. They were playing it like it was real.
Speaker 2: Right, Sure, at the time it seemed like there was real,
Speaker 2: Like they were not going to kind of commit one
Speaker 2: way or the other as to whether it was real
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: Sure, I don't like that.
Speaker 2: But obviously, how are they airing that without just saying
Speaker 2: this is simply not true.
Speaker 1: Because then people won't watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's got to be some someone's got to
Speaker 2: be held responsible.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you say it. We're not saying it's
Speaker 1: not real it's or is it?
Speaker 2: Did they say where it originated from the footage?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, the alien autopsy? So in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: Let's see here, it's a film purporting to show an
Speaker 1: alien autopsy conducted shortly after the Roswell incident. Roz, I'm
Speaker 1: so curious. So are you reading from Wikipedia? Are you
Speaker 1: just still from Mary? Yeah? Still Wikipedia? Here. The footage
Speaker 1: aired on television networks around the world. Fox Television broadcast
Speaker 1: and purported autopsy, hosted by Jonathan Frikes.
Speaker 2: Last we've heard of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to Jonathan Frikes? I think this the
Speaker 1: pseudo documentary happened to him. The program was thoroughly debunked. Now.
Speaker 1: The footage was shot on an inexpensive set constructed in
Speaker 1: a London living room.
Speaker 2: Living room.
Speaker 1: It's alien bodies were hollow plaster casts filled with Oh
Speaker 1: fal what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: That's like intestines and stuff, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Organ meats, sheep brains and raspberry jam. Kind of a
Speaker 1: hagis people were so fucking stupid when we were younger,
Speaker 1: and but in a way that I miss.
Speaker 2: I know, wouldn't it be nice to have a little
Speaker 2: bit more of that mystery.
Speaker 1: Because there wasn't as much internet and stuff to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's here's how they did it. We did immediately.
Speaker 2: Yes, back then you would have to wait a few
Speaker 2: months for like the reporting to be done for it
Speaker 2: to make its way to TV. And now while it's airing,
Speaker 2: people are debunking it.
Speaker 1: God, the good old days. Well, this actually kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of what I have prepared for us to
Speaker 1: talk about today. But I'm curious, what was there anything
Speaker 1: that stood out to you in your in your watching
Speaker 1: last time?
Speaker 2: I watched two different ghost stories. One while the first
Speaker 2: one was more interesting, it was about a family that moved.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't be responsible for knowing where
Speaker 2: people move somewhere in the Midwest into a motel house.
Speaker 2: The uh it was going for sixty thousand dollars and
Speaker 2: apparently they offered that much and then bought it for
Speaker 2: twenty four thousand dollars, so that I think that was
Speaker 2: the first red flaoh ghee. And they were all being haunted,
Speaker 2: they were all being bitten. Something was biting them in
Speaker 2: the night. And this woman said she woke up and
Speaker 2: her baby was standing on her chest holding a butcher knife.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's just you have a horrible baby. I know
Speaker 1: your baby's biting you and trying to kill you. That's
Speaker 1: not a ghost motel house.
Speaker 2: But they brought in a of course, they had a
Speaker 2: para psychologist's name, course, he had an incredible name. I
Speaker 2: think his name was Peter Moscow, Doctor Peter Moscow, and
Speaker 2: he came in and just confirmed that something dark was happening.
Speaker 2: That's as far as he would go. Apparently someone had
Speaker 2: there had been a suicide murder of a daughter that
Speaker 2: was mean to her father, and these people were just
Speaker 2: kind of trapped with this hotel house. They tried to
Speaker 2: move out, but I guess all of their savings were
Speaker 2: wrapped up and so they had to move back in
Speaker 2: and just kind of and that's kind of where the
Speaker 2: show left off. I guess they just got stuck with
Speaker 2: a bad house. Whatever happens to those people probably more bites.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about watching these old shows is it's
Speaker 2: fascinating because the follow ups that you don't get from
Speaker 2: me or whatever, you know, like you're just like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just left of your imagination. Who else is going
Speaker 2: to follow up on that? I guess, so that family
Speaker 2: could all be dead by Now. What was the other
Speaker 2: ghost story? The other one was about a it was
Speaker 2: called the Seven Seas Motel or hotel in Hawaii that
Speaker 2: was built on I think what was later found to
Speaker 2: be a burial ground or a classic of course, and
Speaker 2: it was destroyed by they said, a hurricane, which I
Speaker 2: wasn't aware that Hawaii got herhurricanes. Don't they classify those
Speaker 2: as typhoons in the Pacific Ocean?
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: But according to sightings, a hurricane destroyed it, and they
Speaker 2: discovered that there were bones buried beneath it that then
Speaker 2: had to be taken out and taken care of in
Speaker 2: the traditional way. And they spoke to one chef who
Speaker 2: seemed to know from the very beginning that this place
Speaker 2: was doomed. She seemed really upset that any of this
Speaker 2: was going on, and she seemed kind of like she
Speaker 2: felt like they got what was coming. Oh, I think
Speaker 2: she was kind of happy, maybe a bitter ex employee.
Speaker 1: I see, She's like, that's why you don't fucking do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was less. It didn't feel it was
Speaker 2: like a natural disaster had destroyed it. So it wasn't
Speaker 2: there wasn't as much showth started. I think maybe there
Speaker 2: must have been some sort of ghostiness happening before the
Speaker 2: hurricane destroyed it, because otherwise and then they find the bones.
Speaker 2: Then they find the bones and say, well, this is
Speaker 2: why it happened. But so it was that one was
Speaker 2: less interesting to me. It felt like there was less eeriness.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting that you watched this last night,
Speaker 1: because what I prepared for us today, there's an unsolved
Speaker 1: mysteries element to it. From there's a eighties nineties element
Speaker 1: to it. There's also parapsychology, which parapsychology you don't hear
Speaker 1: about it ever anymore, but that was there was always
Speaker 1: a parapsychologist in the nineties, huge demand for them. Yes,
Speaker 1: they were really that was a big job in the nineties.
Speaker 2: If you told your parents of the nineties that's what
Speaker 2: you were going to study, they probably thought, great.
Speaker 1: Oh wonderful, a doctor's a future. Yeah exactly, mom, Dad,
Speaker 1: I just I'm marrying a parapsychologist. They would have been like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that means he's gonna be on TV all the time.
Speaker 1: That's great. Okay. So this one also, I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I never want to to step on other
Speaker 1: people's toes. But it does get a little bit my
Speaker 1: favorite murdery.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then let's go all in and try to
Speaker 2: take over the network.
Speaker 1: With this one. It gets really sad for a minute,
Speaker 1: as often it does with the paranormal. Sure, but it
Speaker 1: starts so fun. It starts with the line, it starts good.
Speaker 1: So I watched this ABC News three parter okay on
Speaker 1: Hulu called Demons and Saviors. Oh I like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I had no clue where it was going
Speaker 1: when I started it, because of one or the other.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yes, I didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: just going to be demons or saviors. I didn't know
Speaker 1: necessarily that I was getting into a murder.
Speaker 2: Right. You usually kind of assume that, like the deaths
Speaker 2: happen a long time ago, you're not going to get
Speaker 2: a sad tragedy.
Speaker 1: Well, this one is fascinating because let's just get into it.
Speaker 1: So nineteen eighty four, okay, Columbus, Ohio. Okay, a place
Speaker 1: I believe I'm making a stop on my upcoming tour.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yes, this woman, well young girl at the time, Christina Boyer,
Speaker 1: who at the time was known as Tina Rush. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: so something has happened foreshadowing. You pick up on these things.
Speaker 1: That's why we have you here. So there's this family.
Speaker 1: It's Joan and John okay, rash Joan and John and John.
Speaker 1: So Joan and John they adopted Tina when she was
Speaker 1: two years old?
Speaker 2: Did they adopt her as Tina?
Speaker 1: That's very mommy dearest, that I don't know. I'm I
Speaker 1: am assuming since she was two she already had that name.
Speaker 1: Soh you know, everything is fine. It does seem like
Speaker 1: Joan and John are not great parents, but she had
Speaker 1: a rough beginning, and you know, they have her in
Speaker 1: their custody. So when she's fourteen years old is when
Speaker 1: things first started happening. She says that she wakes up
Speaker 1: in the morning and she hears an alarm clock that's
Speaker 1: just going crazy, like her alarm clock is going nuts.
Speaker 1: She unplugs it. That doesn't help. She goes downstairs. She
Speaker 1: turns on the TV and the volume is just blasting.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, and the channels are changing by themselves. Okay.
Speaker 1: The mom unplugs it, Joan and it keeps playing, So
Speaker 1: that must mean something's going on. The lights are going
Speaker 1: on and off, glasses are flying across the room. Things
Speaker 1: like just instantly one morning started going crazy, absolute tornado
Speaker 1: of things happening. It's not just one subtle thing exactly.
Speaker 1: And so naturally her parents, who were religious, they called
Speaker 1: an exorcist and they were like, something's going on with
Speaker 1: with Tina.
Speaker 2: Oh. They immediately said, this is Tina's fault.
Speaker 1: It seemed to be centered around her. It only this
Speaker 1: stuff started happening all the time, but only when she
Speaker 1: was home. Okay, okay, So imagine you're sitting the mom
Speaker 1: and dad, Joan and John there with their coffee and
Speaker 1: newspaper at the table, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: she walks in. They're like, God, here's.
Speaker 2: The evil orphan again.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Things are going to start flying. The
Speaker 1: exorcist shows up, the priest, he does his darn dust
Speaker 1: and he said the quote was there are some things
Speaker 1: we cannot understand, and then he left. He said I
Speaker 1: can't wow, he was he gave up. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: this is above my pay grade. So this is when
Speaker 1: they call the Columbus Dispatch newspaper, which you know, this
Speaker 1: is always that part of the story where it starts
Speaker 1: going public. They send over a photographer and they actually
Speaker 1: captured this kind of iconic photo of this. It's probably
Speaker 1: the most famous photo of this case where she is
Speaker 1: sitting and a phone flew across her lap. Oh, it
Speaker 1: just like flew over her lap. Gee, how could you
Speaker 1: show us that photo? Please? This is from the Columbus Dispatch.
Speaker 1: If you're just listening, you can just google Tina Rash
Speaker 1: and you'll see this picture. That is actually I didn't
Speaker 1: notice that they do have multiultiple phones.
Speaker 2: This phone looks like it crawled along the carpet and
Speaker 2: jumped over the sheet.
Speaker 1: Seriously, Well, this is back in the days when we
Speaker 1: had the rotary, you know, the connected to the wall.
Speaker 1: Laura Curly Q's she's having a blast. Well, I think
Speaker 1: she was happy because it was getting documented and she's
Speaker 1: she's even said, like you can tell from this photo,
Speaker 1: I did not throw it. It's flying across my lap
Speaker 1: and she's just sitting there as it's happening. I love
Speaker 1: like the wood paneling on.
Speaker 2: The wall in the blanket behind her blank Yeah, Blant,
Speaker 2: I actually think I have a blanket very similar to that.
Speaker 1: It's sort of Roseanne's family completely the Connors.
Speaker 2: Just in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 1: It really is anyway, So there was some some good
Speaker 1: documented evidence right there.
Speaker 2: That's an amazing It really is an amazing photo. That's like,
Speaker 2: that's a very good looking picture.
Speaker 1: Does it convince you that she didn't do this?
Speaker 2: I mean the way her arms are, her face, I
Speaker 2: think does not look like an acting face.
Speaker 1: You know, it looks Let's try. Do we have something
Speaker 1: that we can throw and.
Speaker 2: See if you can?
Speaker 1: You can fold your arms like that? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I mean her arms are headed in the direction
Speaker 2: of if you were to throw the phone.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's true, But I can try with this water.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Okay, what do you think that was really good? Ah? Fuck?
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I feel like to me, her face is
Speaker 2: telling me that's not a trained performer. That's somebody who
Speaker 2: something has happened. She's not making that face on her own.
Speaker 1: She's shocked. Okay, well, we're still having fun with this story.
Speaker 1: While at last, because turn so she was bullied at school,
Speaker 1: kids would sing the Twilight Zone song to her at
Speaker 1: her After this became news, people would throw her down
Speaker 1: the stairs and tell her to fly.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: A parapsychologist reached out named William Roll okay, And he
Speaker 1: was from North Carolina at the famous parapsychology lab there
Speaker 1: at the college the university, and he became a big
Speaker 1: part of her life. And he moved in and started
Speaker 1: studying her. Oh interest, so he could just be around
Speaker 1: this twenty four to seven, and he believed this was
Speaker 1: not necessarily spooky. It was more that she just had
Speaker 1: these electric charges.
Speaker 2: Oh but to me, that says she's kind of a
Speaker 2: supernatural for sure.
Speaker 1: But it's not like a demon thing right where her
Speaker 1: parents were not fully convinced.
Speaker 2: They were nothing evil happening.
Speaker 1: It's just it's like.
Speaker 2: She's kind of like an x.
Speaker 1: A talent person. It's a it's like some kind of talent.
Speaker 1: But it's like what I don't know what you call
Speaker 1: it is an ability, it's a star. Some people are
Speaker 1: double jointed. Sure, some people can move phones across their lap.
Speaker 1: She later found out that when she was a baby,
Speaker 1: she was sick and her parents abandoned her at the hospital.
Speaker 1: She was later reunited with her biological sister and who
Speaker 1: has said in actually, in this TV documentary, they interview
Speaker 1: her biological sister, who says that her family were wiccan.
Speaker 1: Her grandmother and her mother could move things with their mind.
Speaker 1: Oh isn't this interesting? Okay, so there's a lineage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently the TV would turn on if the mom was mad,
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. Actually, in the documentary, the
Speaker 1: sister shows a picture of Tina's biological mother that it's
Speaker 1: like a caricature. It looks like very like boardwalk caricature
Speaker 1: of the mother, and it's on the wall and she's like,
Speaker 1: this thing. I come home all the time. It's always turned,
Speaker 1: it falls on the ground. It's interesting, but it's like
Speaker 1: she got it done at the fair or something. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the mother who's I'm assuming dad. Now that's
Speaker 1: the only picture they have of her. Oh god, something
Speaker 1: they got us six flex. I know that's sad. I
Speaker 1: hope that's not true. But you know, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with that original family. But nonetheless they
Speaker 1: had these abilities, and I think that's that is pretty validating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to poll members of the family, but the sister doesn't, but.
Speaker 1: She believes it. I don't believe the sister has that ability,
Speaker 1: which I think gives some credibility because she could be
Speaker 1: a very logical person.
Speaker 2: She's not claiming to have any of this, but she's saying, look,
Speaker 2: I've noticed it with the other family.
Speaker 1: Members totally, and this is just you know, this is
Speaker 1: her blood family, and and you know, people will tell
Speaker 1: you that this kind of a thing is hereditary rights
Speaker 1: it okay. So her adoptive family, Jonah John, according to her,
Speaker 1: were abusive. They caused a lot of stress and trauma
Speaker 1: and this can trigger this sort of thing, right, they say,
Speaker 1: you know, this sort of poltergeisty activity. Usually the theories
Speaker 1: you know, most commonly teenage girls, lots of stress, whatever.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, sounds convincing. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of the amazing Randy Yes?
Speaker 2: Why have I heard of that?
Speaker 1: Every once in a while he comes up on this
Speaker 1: podcast and I'm obsessed with him. He would wear a
Speaker 1: cape and he died only like maybe two or three
Speaker 1: years ago. But he was a famous debunker.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: And he would offer people like this that were getting
Speaker 1: a lot of press a million dollar check and you know,
Speaker 1: if you can prove it, I'll give you a million dollars.
Speaker 1: And he never gave anybody a million dollars. But he
Speaker 1: showed up and Joan the mom was like, get the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here and she didn't even let him in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what does that say. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: very you could argue either. Well, so after they said amazing,
Speaker 1: Randy away, they are like, we need to have a
Speaker 1: press conference. We need to just talk about this and
Speaker 1: show once and for all that it's real.
Speaker 2: Get it all out.
Speaker 1: They invite over the media. They sit there for nine
Speaker 1: hours and nothing happened.
Speaker 2: Imagine being part of the media for that nine hours. Exhausting.
Speaker 1: Now here's this is where things. This is not quite
Speaker 1: the dark part yet, but this is a part that's
Speaker 1: not not a cute look. So they're like, okay, we
Speaker 1: need to take a break, we need to go get
Speaker 1: a snack. So some of the camera crew leave a
Speaker 1: camera rolling.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, smart.
Speaker 1: They leave the room as Tina's on the couch and
Speaker 1: they capture her on film pushing over a lamp and
Speaker 1: acting like it was a ghost.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Tina, I mean, just on Tina's side here.
Speaker 2: Maybe she was feeling a lot of pressure. It's real,
Speaker 2: she's not producing results. You've got to figure something out
Speaker 2: quickly exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, and what she says is she wanted them to
Speaker 1: leave and she just needed to give them something.
Speaker 2: I'm got to get on with my day.
Speaker 1: She didn't know she was gonna be on film. She
Speaker 1: thought they were just going to capture that after effects,
Speaker 1: right and she could just be like, wow, look what happened.
Speaker 1: But no, they straight up caught her on camera. There
Speaker 1: is the footage in this center footage. It's in the documentary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds I'm not gonna lie. She does it pretty good,
Speaker 1: Like she picture a lampshade. She sticks her hand underneath
Speaker 1: and goes like this and goes, ah, No, good for her,
Speaker 1: but it also kind of was like, you've done this before. Girl. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the parapsychologist role. He brings her to his lab in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. She gets put under a hypnosis and hopes
Speaker 1: that her traumatic memories would trigger some of this activity.
Speaker 1: They even assigned her a female companion to document her
Speaker 1: every move, including when they would sleep and they would
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom together. No, boy, they really wanted
Speaker 1: to get this stuff captured. But her powers kind of stopped.
Speaker 2: And how her stopped when someone was around all the time.
Speaker 1: Well, but it seemed like it was maybe the stress
Speaker 1: of being around those parents. She didn't she wasn't she
Speaker 1: was a lot happier to.
Speaker 2: Be more interesting, right, She had like a more comforting
Speaker 2: source around her. She felt safe.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a theory. William Rowle sent her to the
Speaker 1: Delphi University of Spiritual Studies, which is in Georgia. They
Speaker 1: tried to help her work on doing psychic readings on people.
Speaker 1: I don't think that really took off as a career
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 2: Well that doesn't. That's not her thing.
Speaker 1: Is that of what she does? Are we talking about?
Speaker 1: That's not her niece.
Speaker 2: She's not a multi talent. She's got one thing.
Speaker 1: They thought, maybe okay, if you can move lamps, maybe
Speaker 1: you can see the future. Yeah. So she goes back home.
Speaker 1: The parents are like, we just can't have your route.
Speaker 1: So they actually sent her to a juvenile detention center.
Speaker 1: Well they wanted to. She ran away at age sixteen.
Speaker 1: She meets an awful man. She gets pregnant. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: she has a daughter named Amber. Once she has the baby,
Speaker 1: her powers are back more than hour. Oh and you know,
Speaker 1: even she was like, could it be Amber? Could it
Speaker 1: be the baby has these powers?
Speaker 2: Right, like new fresh powers in the baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while taking a nap one day, the baby's taking
Speaker 1: a nap, Smoke alarms go off, the baby's room is
Speaker 1: on fire. Oh that's not good.
Speaker 2: How on fire do we know?
Speaker 1: Okay, now everyone, this is when things get dark.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is I kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety two. She's out of the house, her three
Speaker 1: year old daughter Amber gets hurt and dies. Not good.
Speaker 1: This is all just part of the store. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I'm more interested in the fact that she was a
Speaker 1: paranormal case. But it turns into a murder case because
Speaker 1: she ends up getting charged. Obviously so does her boyfriend
Speaker 1: who was watching the baby at the time, but also
Speaker 1: once it becomes a trial or you know, when she's accused.
Speaker 1: The town where she's in, which at this point was Carrollton, Georgia,
Speaker 1: they kept bringing up, you know, her paranormal past to
Speaker 1: a show. She's you can't trust her and she was
Speaker 1: found guilty. Oh and she's serving a life sentence.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now there are other elements to this that aren't good
Speaker 1: looks for her. I don't necessarily want to get into
Speaker 1: all of it, because that's not really what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to cover. But there's a lot of activists and law
Speaker 1: students that are trying to prove that she was wrongfully convicted,
Speaker 1: and what happened with the boyfriend? I believe he sent
Speaker 1: a life sentence. Yes, okay, she was up for the
Speaker 1: death pencil penalty penalty, but is serving a life sentence
Speaker 1: and she's behind bars. She in the documentary does like
Speaker 1: some phone interviews she you know, I think that ultimately
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like, well, she's the she's
Speaker 1: the mother, so she needs to she's responsible.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the defense? Why are people thinking she's
Speaker 2: wrongfully convicted?
Speaker 1: Well, because she wasn't there.
Speaker 2: She simply wasn't there when it happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wasn't there when it happened. I mean, and
Speaker 1: it's not entirely I mean, she got hurt and then
Speaker 1: she died at the hospital. Okay, it just seems like
Speaker 1: it was her boyfriend, right, and was the boy as
Speaker 1: far as I know, do they catch up with the
Speaker 1: dad on the documentary? Really, it's this is more about her,
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not one hundred percent sure about
Speaker 1: the murder stuff. What you know, I'm curious about because literally,
Speaker 1: like half the documentary is this paranormal stuff, and then
Speaker 1: the other half is this part.
Speaker 2: These should just be different shows.
Speaker 1: But that's what's interesting. She's like two sensational stories.
Speaker 2: I know, there's the occasional person who can be on
Speaker 2: a tabloid for two different reasons, and that's that's something.
Speaker 1: And she's doing it. Yeah, I don't know. I do
Speaker 1: feel I feel for the woman. I mean, it sounds
Speaker 1: horrible all of all of this stuff from start to finish,
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting to see what it's like for
Speaker 1: someone that, you know, if we are to believe she
Speaker 1: really did have these abilities, how hard that was on her.
Speaker 2: I mean, in the phone calls from prison, does she
Speaker 2: touch on her abilities? Yes, what does she say about them?
Speaker 1: She absolutely did them, and she owns up to the
Speaker 1: fact that, yeah, that's time I pushed over the lamp.
Speaker 1: I wanted them to leave. I was a teenager and
Speaker 1: I was sick of it.
Speaker 2: It was nine hours, but she still says it was
Speaker 2: a real phenomenon. Yes, Is she causing any sort of
Speaker 2: ruckus in the prison with this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Not that I know. There is some guy that they
Speaker 1: interview at one point that's like, I don't know, he
Speaker 1: might have been a police officer. I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: he is, but somebody on the opposition of her and
Speaker 1: her case, and he's like, well, if she had powers,
Speaker 1: why isn't she just open up the door in the
Speaker 1: prison cell let herself out.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works, sir, That's simply not how
Speaker 2: it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if she had a landline next to her, she
Speaker 1: would throw it at your head. She'd be doing all
Speaker 1: kinds of things like that. So yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Sad but interesting.
Speaker 2: And the name switch, I assume that happened before the murder.
Speaker 1: So according to Wikipedia, it says Tina Rash married and
Speaker 1: divorced twice.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that she married that guy. I thought
Speaker 1: they called her his the boyfriend. Now this is again Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: sure right, which I don't. Do you have a Wikipedia?
Speaker 1: I want a Wikipedia.
Speaker 2: Wikipedia. Wikipedia is interesting. I feel like people don't add
Speaker 2: to it anymore.
Speaker 1: But you can't just have People are always like, oh,
Speaker 1: you just have one, No like you. It has to
Speaker 1: be like a qualified person has to make.
Speaker 2: And you can't make your own. No, there's nothing said
Speaker 2: or I've tried.
Speaker 1: Listen. I want a place where people can learn about me.
Speaker 2: Do you ever go to someone's Wikipedia and you're like,
Speaker 2: this is entirely they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So I'll make one for you.
Speaker 1: Are you approved?
Speaker 2: No, but I'll try to submit as not you.
Speaker 1: That would be so sweet.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it a shot.
Speaker 1: But wait. Back to her. All that says here is
Speaker 1: she was married in divorce twice, changing her name to
Speaker 1: Christina Boyer. So I'm not sure, but I think either way,
Speaker 1: she was trying her darnedus to start a new life
Speaker 1: and it was hard, you know. She. I think she
Speaker 1: wasn't given the life skills and was really she didn't
Speaker 1: have money, and she was from what it made. It
Speaker 1: seem like a single mother, single income, trying to make
Speaker 1: things work.
Speaker 2: And you think about this person. She was adopted by
Speaker 2: horrible parents. She was also technically a child star in Florida.
Speaker 2: Both of those things don't really set you up for adulthood. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, And also she just has supernatural powers, so
Speaker 2: she's dealing with all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: And two husbands, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she was trying to write a book about it.
Speaker 1: With the hypnotist that was assigned to her when she
Speaker 1: was in North Carolina. It was actually the woman who
Speaker 1: would go to the bathroom at the same time as
Speaker 1: her and the Yes, they interviewed the lady and she
Speaker 1: seems great and she's like actually, like one of her
Speaker 1: best friends.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine telling people I'm writing a book with
Speaker 2: my hypnotist.
Speaker 1: She didn't have many friends, it's the thing. And she
Speaker 1: still has these people, and her her sister who was
Speaker 1: her you know, her biological sister she met later, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever met in person. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I know.
Speaker 2: They're red flags there if someone starts to claim they're
Speaker 2: your sister, but you're in prison and you can't really verify,
Speaker 2: don't you wonder like is this just some sort of fraud.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't know. Everyone else just wild thing.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, everyone, if you if you happen to have
Speaker 1: a Hulu subscription, I know you all had one when
Speaker 1: my show was on there, but I don't know whatever
Speaker 1: your current state is with Hulu. It's it's definitely worth
Speaker 1: the watch. Okay, can I show you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2: I would love nothing more.
Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So I
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com. I for some reason, I remember,
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday, the ones that I had with
Speaker 1: you because it was a two doll doll. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were a couple.
Speaker 2: And that there was something kitchy about it or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were like a garden, yeah, like a craft fair.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've gone to eBay and I've found a
Speaker 1: new one and this one is going for forty and
Speaker 1: her name is Karen. Okay, great geehah, show us Karen please.
Speaker 2: Oh looks like Karen's wearing a wig.
Speaker 1: Well, she's a doll, but I feel like.
Speaker 2: That match her complexion.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it feels like.
Speaker 2: A new she's trying something new, she's.
Speaker 1: Trying it out to see what's Happening's.
Speaker 2: One eye bigger than the other?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say maybe one's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1: They are framed by the drawn on eyelashes, which.
Speaker 2: Are almost like a starburst, you know, blasting.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's got some she's got some eyebrows, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And then you know typical haunted doll dress, sort of velvety.
Speaker 2: Victorian purple with lace.
Speaker 1: But she's a Karen.
Speaker 2: She looks uncomfortable that dress is it's too much on her?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, she doesn't want to be doing any of this.
Speaker 2: Looks like she can't move.
Speaker 1: Based on these photos, I would say she does not
Speaker 1: want to be posing for this photo. She does not
Speaker 1: want to be in this dress, she does not want
Speaker 1: to be wearing this wig. She It's very like when
Speaker 1: your mom makes you do first communion or something and
Speaker 1: you don't want to. Okay, So here's the thing. She's
Speaker 1: named Karen. Okay, she is as they would say, a Karen.
Speaker 2: She's I mean, this is a classic Karen.
Speaker 1: Now, the whole Karen phenomena. I think it got a
Speaker 1: little played out. Oh, I mean, come on to me,
Speaker 1: it's funny again. You think it's back. I think it's
Speaker 1: funny again. I like to call I especially like to
Speaker 1: call men Karen. Sure, but I think it's a little
Speaker 1: bit funny to me. And I don't know what that
Speaker 1: says about me, but I think it's slightly funny to
Speaker 1: be like, stop being a Karen.
Speaker 2: It feels like the Karen behavior has like it's shifted
Speaker 2: in a way, or people who you would used to
Speaker 2: call a Karen are now a different name. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what the name is for that sort of
Speaker 2: person anymore. But I feel like if you were to
Speaker 2: call somebody a Karen now, they would have to have
Speaker 2: a new attribute I evolved.
Speaker 1: I like to say it like if someone's not doing
Speaker 1: something too crazy, like if someone's like, hey, could you
Speaker 1: not do that? And be like okay, Karen, Like I
Speaker 1: think that's more fun? Do you like to call? I
Speaker 1: like to turn it into a problem as a way
Speaker 1: to provoke people. What were we gonna ask?
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you when Karen kind of became
Speaker 2: the name for that sort of behavior, did you feel
Speaker 2: like that was the name that we should be using
Speaker 2: or was there like another white lady name that you
Speaker 2: felt was closer to that sort.
Speaker 1: Of Hellen Helen. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like Christy, Oh, Christie, Christie sounds a little
Speaker 2: nastier or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do feel bad for Karen's of course
Speaker 1: that I have, you know, had to deal with that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: What do you do? You just have to fight through it.
Speaker 2: I mean, our friend Karen, she had a good sense
Speaker 2: of humor, has absolutely embraced it. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think I don't know. I don't know where she's at
Speaker 1: with it nowadays.
Speaker 2: It never seemed to affect her in any way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that if it does affect you you're kind
Speaker 2: of a Karen.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but that's so like gas lighty or something.
Speaker 1: But anyway, let's read about this Karen. It says, Meet Karen,
Speaker 1: a spirited and mischievous doll. She's dressed in a stunning
Speaker 1: purple dress. She is definitely a handful. I got her
Speaker 1: from another collector who simply couldn't handle her anymore. Oh,
Speaker 1: I keep burping, sorry because you gave me a La
Speaker 1: Croy Giha. This is Giha being a Karen she has.
Speaker 1: I'm Christie to you.
Speaker 2: My apologies to the Christie's out there. I know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure good Christie's.
Speaker 1: Christi's are gonna be mad. Okay. I've had Karen for
Speaker 1: about four years now, and she's been nothing short of
Speaker 1: a whirlwind. The previous owner warned me about her antics.
Speaker 1: Karen loves to play pranks, and sometimes they go a
Speaker 1: little too far. She's loud, obnoxious, and always the life
Speaker 1: of the party. Karen is a true party girl, and
Speaker 1: she loves to be the center of attention. One of
Speaker 1: her favorite tricks is to touch me when I least
Speaker 1: expect it. That's the salt. I could be standing there
Speaker 1: and suddenly I feel a light touch on my shoulder
Speaker 1: or a whisper in my ear. She's also known to
Speaker 1: visit my dreams, filling them with not so nice. Despite
Speaker 1: numerous attempts to communicate with her through a Ouiji board's
Speaker 1: spirit box and a cat ball, I still don't know
Speaker 1: how she passed away. When she's on the spirit box,
Speaker 1: the sound she makes are like she's trying to get
Speaker 1: a message across, but it's always unclear. Karen loves to
Speaker 1: flicker lights on and off, slam doors, and turn the
Speaker 1: water on. Her presence is so active that I'm at
Speaker 1: my wits end. I just can't handle this very active
Speaker 1: spirit anymore, especially at my age. How old is this person?
Speaker 2: Ninety five year old's? Their Evay account.
Speaker 1: Is just keeping Karen away from your other vessels aka
Speaker 1: haunted dolls, particularly the nicer female ones, as she tends
Speaker 1: to stir up trouble.
Speaker 2: Right, she's one of these classic women.
Speaker 1: He's not a girl's girl. Yeah, she's not a dolls doll.
Speaker 1: There's so much more to learn about Karen, and she
Speaker 1: has a lot more to say and do. If you
Speaker 1: think you can handle her, she's ready to bring her
Speaker 1: unique brand of chaos into your home. Just be prepared
Speaker 1: for a wild ride.
Speaker 2: I would like to see this put on a dog
Speaker 2: rescue the description of a dog up for adoption.
Speaker 1: Seriously, they're very similar. And having spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time looking at dog rescue websites and haunted dolls, they're close,
Speaker 1: right they are, Yeah, for sure. They the people that
Speaker 1: are selling these dolls treat these as if you're about
Speaker 1: to welcome a new pet and a rescue. Yes, they do,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they say adopt, are you would you like
Speaker 1: to adopt this?
Speaker 2: Adopt? Don't shop evil.
Speaker 1: Dolls, except you do have you have forty dollars for
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 1: All right? That's Karen. You know what?
Speaker 2: I just want to say. The one thing I noticed
Speaker 2: about her face, the expression is I can't believe you're
Speaker 2: getting on the elevator with me?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Because she feels like she's comfortable and surprised. That like,
Speaker 2: this is the sort of feeling I get when I
Speaker 2: walk onto an elevator and people are like, oh, I
Speaker 2: thought I was going to be on here.
Speaker 1: Alone because they farted.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I think she's like, this is my little space, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she definitely, how dare you? She does not look happy?
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand doll makers that make dolls
Speaker 1: with horrible express look just physically uncomfortable. Seriously, like this
Speaker 1: doll does not want to be there. No, And as always,
Speaker 1: go to Instagram ghosted by Ras. Under the story highlight
Speaker 1: called Dolls twenty twenty five, you'll see Karen can I
Speaker 1: play some ghost voices? I love as it's time for
Speaker 1: EVP or ev plase. Okay, these are both from the
Speaker 1: same channel. It's called Chicago Land Halloween at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery.
Speaker 2: Okay, Bachelor's Grove.
Speaker 1: I know if you're a single ghost lady, this is
Speaker 1: where you want to go singles ghost ship. Yes, so
Speaker 1: somewhere in the cemetery. What is it saying Bridger lying?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I mean I think that's very clear what
Speaker 2: it's saying. You're lying. I think you're lying.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good guess. I think you
Speaker 1: are lying, is what it sounds like. Well that's not
Speaker 1: what they thought. Oh, Chicago Land Halloween had a different interpretation.
Speaker 1: Did they think it was a are you my type? I mean, okay, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: b review our lives? Does that even mean? C? Are
Speaker 1: you alive? Or d F you I'm tired, okay.
Speaker 2: And just to be clear, it said f you like
Speaker 2: it was censoring itself.
Speaker 1: Yes, f you, I'm tired. Okay. Now it's one of
Speaker 1: those lying.
Speaker 2: I mean, out of all of those knowing that it's
Speaker 2: a bachelor or you might type, they believe it was
Speaker 2: b review our lives, which feels like somebody that's welcoming
Speaker 2: you to this kind of dating service of the graveyard,
Speaker 2: like take a look at our stats or our favorite song,
Speaker 2: or review review our lives, look at our signs and
Speaker 2: everything and tell us if you're interested. Yes, so now
Speaker 2: that we know it's review our lives, view.
Speaker 1: Our lives, No, it is.
Speaker 2: I think you are lying.
Speaker 1: Wait one more time. I think you were like it's yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's something very eagerie to me about a ghost
Speaker 2: telling you knowing that you're lying to it that spooks me.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like the belief is like ghosts know
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: One more okay, same place. What is this one saying nothing?
Speaker 1: Hang on? Is that really it's throwing up? The other
Speaker 1: one was so clear.
Speaker 2: The other one was talking, and this one is dry
Speaker 2: heaving or something. And then I would say, I come
Speaker 2: from nowhere.
Speaker 1: A bad gass. Well do they think it was a
Speaker 1: I wanted soup? Okay, B I'm Liz and I'm here
Speaker 1: girl boss C I live in spirit.
Speaker 2: I live in spirit?
Speaker 1: Or d I don't like your parents.
Speaker 2: I mean I from the like the kind of vomit
Speaker 2: feel from it. I'm going to say I wanted soup.
Speaker 2: It's kind of the the you know, you get food poison,
Speaker 2: and you thought I should have gone for this other
Speaker 2: thing and I wouldn't be sick right.
Speaker 1: Now, I wanted soup. This shouldn't have happened in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 2: Right I got egg salad. Here we are.
Speaker 1: Oh God, that sounds so gross to me. They believe
Speaker 1: it is. See, I live in spirit.
Speaker 2: I live in spirit. These people have got to be
Speaker 2: released from telling people what these they're bad at this.
Speaker 1: Come on, I can hear it. Wait, it's I come
Speaker 1: from nowhere. I live in spirit. I picture hands on
Speaker 1: the head. I live in spirit.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: That there is spirit? Now?
Speaker 2: What a boring thing?
Speaker 1: That's so obvious? Well, they just wanted you to know
Speaker 1: I live in spirit.
Speaker 2: Tell me something I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you think that I'm still living you wrong.
Speaker 2: Tell me you don't like my parents, tell me you
Speaker 2: wanted soup.
Speaker 1: Seriously, give me. Give me an anecdote, a little bit
Speaker 1: of texture, a little texture from your a bachelor coloring.
Speaker 1: Give it a little color.
Speaker 2: You meet that guy for coffee and that's what he's
Speaker 2: telling you.
Speaker 1: I live and spare it. Give me a break, Bridger,
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 2: Little shame.
Speaker 1: That was not bad.
Speaker 2: I feel like we got to the bottom of a
Speaker 2: lot of things.
Speaker 1: We did.
Speaker 2: You're totally unsatisfied.
Speaker 1: I mean now, I'm always like double check my facts
Speaker 1: when it comes to when we're talking about people dying
Speaker 1: and things like that. But I'm pretty sure I got
Speaker 1: things right.
Speaker 2: I feel like it close enough. You know the story there,
Speaker 2: You know, there are so many angles and there's so
Speaker 2: many participants. There's so many news stories, right.
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing with this Tina story. I want
Speaker 1: to focus on the paranormal part, but then there's this
Speaker 1: whole other part.
Speaker 2: I think she'd prefer you to focus on the paranorm.
Speaker 1: Probably, but the other part is not necessarily my right jurisdiction.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's another podcast.
Speaker 1: So I I'm not used to covering things about the
Speaker 1: trials and sentences and stuff like that. But if it's
Speaker 1: a phone flying across someone's lap. That's me. I'm the
Speaker 1: one to call to talk about that. Bridger, what do
Speaker 1: you got going on?
Speaker 2: I have my podcast? I said, no gifts of court.
Speaker 1: You do.
Speaker 2: You're on this network and you can go to Ice said,
Speaker 2: no gifts Instagram. How do people look up on Instagram?
Speaker 1: They go to where it's this search and they typed
Speaker 1: it in and then they type it in.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the easiest way to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, click accounts probably be the first thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Roz has been an incredible guest.
Speaker 1: You always have great guests. I feel very sad you
Speaker 1: have coming up.
Speaker 2: I know this week we have George Saveris from Stradio Lab.
Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. We just had mutual friend Sam Pancake, one
Speaker 2: of the funniest people alive.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Just had Tom Sharpling.
Speaker 1: Love Tom Sharps, a dear, He's amazing.
Speaker 2: No, we have a good time and I'm just slowly
Speaker 2: collecting items. It'spent five years.
Speaker 1: People somehow always bring you a gift.
Speaker 2: I have received at least two hundred and fifty items. Wow,
Speaker 2: and I've started giving a few of them away. But
Speaker 2: it is something I've kind of just given myself this curse.
Speaker 1: Anything you can make money off of, not that.
Speaker 2: I've noticed yet. I'd love for somebody to give me
Speaker 2: something valuable, just one thing that I can put on
Speaker 2: a bit haunted doll. That'd be interesting. Karen, Karen, somebody
Speaker 2: buy me, Karen.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Bridge Wide Girl. That was fun. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll see you all soon, ros Hernandez tour dot com
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you next week. I love you all,
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't me came by. This has been
Speaker 1: an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by
Speaker 1: Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM
Speaker 1: or voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.
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Speaker 1: Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the
Speaker 1: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the Eerie
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten.
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
Speaker 1: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the terrifying
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the
Speaker 1: Spooky Georgia Hard Start, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer