WEBVTT - Bridger Winegar Ponders the Paranormal

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<v Speaker 1>What's that at the bed spooky a juky. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>I los Nandas. Please hey boo, it's me Roz and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I

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<v Speaker 1>talk to people that I like about the paranormal. Bridger

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<v Speaker 1>Wineger is back on the show this week. You, of

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<v Speaker 1>course know him from the Exactly Right podcast. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>no gifts. We do get into a story that has

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<v Speaker 1>a very tragic death, and I tried to sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not put too much emphasis. I know this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is not like a murdery kind of show, so

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<v Speaker 1>if that's not your thing, it's only like we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it just a little bit because it is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the story. I had to put it in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but we mainly focus on a story that involves telekinetic powers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good episode you'll enjoy. I think. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into that episode, I wanted to tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>I am about to hit the road doing non ghost

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<v Speaker 1>related stand up comedy. I am also working on new

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube content, and I am working on hotels that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be ghost hunting at. It's expensive for me

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<v Speaker 1>to make these videos and time consuming, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say any deadlines or any dates of when they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come out, but I am working on them, so

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<v Speaker 1>just know that. But the stand up tour I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is at mainly gay bars, I'm so excited about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to so many cities. I mean, at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of recording this, I've probably added way more cities,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've probably even added your city. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones I haven't added, I've tried and it just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out. I've tried everywhere, but as of right now,

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<v Speaker 1>here's where I'm going. I'll fire them off for you quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>starting April eleventh, Sacramento, Santa Rosa, Santa Cruz, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, Colorado, Springs, Boise, Detroit, Buffalo, Norwalk, Connecticut, Keene,

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<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire, Boston, Instown, Morgantown, West Virginia, Allentown, Pennsylvania, Portland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing two shows in Portland because you You're always

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<v Speaker 1>des Moine, Oklahoma City, Asheville, North Carolina, Atlanta, Mobile, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, and hopefully by now I have added Florida

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<v Speaker 1>and Texas states and probably even more. And you get

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<v Speaker 1>all those tickets at roz Hernandez tour dot com. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you there. Okay, here we go. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some paranormal stuff. Here's my latest conversation with Bridger

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<v Speaker 1>Winecker and with the show said gifts, Bridger wine.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, can I start talking?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you bring me?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't bring anything, but I came to the office

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<v Speaker 2>to get a baby Bell cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh baby Bell cheese. They had those here. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>They've got everything here at exactly right studios.

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<v Speaker 2>I just went through the snack closet. They've updated. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, keep me out of there. I get into

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<v Speaker 1>trouble in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they've they've turned it into more of

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<v Speaker 2>a thing for adults. Before it felt more like like

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<v Speaker 2>the vending machines we had in middle school. Okay, did

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<v Speaker 2>you have vending machines in your middle school?

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<v Speaker 1>I know I did in high school. I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in high school, they tried to do like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have a healthy vending machine. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we did in middle school. I went to Catholic school. Oh, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just went to simply public school, so okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from seventh till ninth grade, I would just buy a

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<v Speaker 1>little package of mother's cookies for lunch every day. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>so nice. I struggle with being an adult because I

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<v Speaker 1>can do that now if I want to, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go to the vending machine and get some cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like that's an option now, Like I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>anyone to be like, no, you need to eat a

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<v Speaker 1>real meal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in your house, do you have a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>that type of snack or.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I try not to? But sometimes i'm by.

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<v Speaker 2>And what things do you bring into the home? What

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<v Speaker 2>do I bring into the home that's bad? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I bring a gummy bears are a big so.

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<v Speaker 2>Our gummy worms for me I can't have at my house.

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<v Speaker 1>I have overcome my doughnut problem, which sometimes I still

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<v Speaker 1>if I go, like to stay at a haunted place

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm really stressed, I bring donuts just to be safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's okay to have a little comfort.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to have in case you need it, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>something about the I don't know. I'm a big chewer,

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<v Speaker 1>so when I'm scared, I like to chew. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>very mouthy.

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<v Speaker 2>What about gum?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gum, gum. Gum's good. So we're here to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to talk about gum.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we could just unfortunately side of your pod

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<v Speaker 1>podcast love gum. But the people that come here come

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<v Speaker 1>here for one reason only.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've been on, We've heard your stories. Don't you worry.

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<v Speaker 2>I've prepared a little bit for us. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the last less you have new stuff. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>last time I was here, I brought you my one

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<v Speaker 2>kind of supernatural paranormal story that I had told you

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't scary. So the fact that my even my one

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<v Speaker 2>story wasn't scary, I was a little nervous about coming

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<v Speaker 2>here today.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it doesn't always have to be scary.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think people prefer a scary I think.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably do, But I just ignore when I hear

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<v Speaker 1>people comment that, Yeah, I think it's just all about

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<v Speaker 1>the unexplainable, the unknowable. The unknowable, I mean, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ponder that's my favorite word, is just pondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Ponder is a good word.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a ponderous.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that kind of falls in the category of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite word tail and all where it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>those hard those consonants that are very I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>solid ponder tail.

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<v Speaker 1>And all ponder ponder. So have you been pondering the paranormal?

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<v Speaker 2>Last night? I was in preparation for this, which you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I found a three hour compilation of the At some

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<v Speaker 2>point in the night, there was a docu. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they call them docuseries in the nineties, right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>what were we calling these things? News out of things

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<v Speaker 2>like uh, unsolved mysteries and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah love, but Sightings. I had never heard of Sightings, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it must have been on Sci Fi Channel

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<v Speaker 2>or one of these things that we didn't have cable

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's look it up. Sightings was great. Yeah, I loved

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<v Speaker 1>Did you find this on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some good episodes. I think we've covered a

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<v Speaker 1>story or two from there. But maybe I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get into Sightings a little bit more for some content.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sightings, according to Wikipedia, is an American paranormal and

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<v Speaker 1>news televisions. It's just like this show. It first aired

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen nineties. The show began in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one as a special that was titled the uf OH

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<v Speaker 1>Report Colon Sightings. It was followed by the follow up

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<v Speaker 1>reports Ghost Report and the Psychic Experience OH. It was

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Paramount for Fox TV. It feels very Fox

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Fox I think kind of had a stranglehold on all

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<v Speaker 2>of those, wasn't I feel like Unsolved Mysteries was a

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<v Speaker 2>Fox show, America's most wanted anything that my parents would

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<v Speaker 2>leave on a Friday night and then we would just

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<v Speaker 2>be terrified watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever watch the Masked Magician? No?

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<v Speaker 2>What was that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>This piece of shit? Oh, this fucking asshole. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>this man was a professional magician, you know how, Like

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing with magicians is you don't tell the secret. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what this was. This man put a mask

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<v Speaker 1>on like a and sold out the entire linear of

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<v Speaker 1>magicians for a paycheck. And they would do multiple specials

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<v Speaker 1>in like the nineties, two thousands. Asked Magician, he would

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<v Speaker 1>show you how they cut a lady in half and

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<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Just puts a paper bag over his head and tells

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<v Speaker 2>you how David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty dis

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>What an asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was like a former magician who was probably bitter,

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<v Speaker 2>probably and was like, well, I can't make it as

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<v Speaker 2>a real magician, so I'm just going to He's like.

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<v Speaker 1>No one will know it's me. And now, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that watched it, they go to the show and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, I know how that was done. That's not real.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why it's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Has to hold his breath for a long time now

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<v Speaker 2>because you can't do the tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they yeah, you nowadays you just have to straight

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<v Speaker 1>up like put a plastic bag over your head and

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<v Speaker 1>hope for the best. And that's what we're calling magic stunts. Yes, stunts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so sightings, you watch Sightings. I know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>episodes on YouTube and I have watched them before. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of great ones I've seen. I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a really good one. Oh wait, because there's also

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<v Speaker 1>a show called Encounters.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh now, see, this is another thing I could get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Encounters just confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Encounter sounds like a dating website.

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<v Speaker 1>It really does. But Encounters was also on Fox. And

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<v Speaker 1>see that's the thing. You know what, I blame a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this on the X Files.

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<v Speaker 2>You think the X Files spawned these ort or they

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<v Speaker 2>like had to stop because of the X File.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I think the X Files really brought an interest

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties. Oh, there was also a famous alien

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<v Speaker 1>autopsy that they showed in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of on Everything, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was a fox but it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a big event that of course was fake, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And my exposure to that was Entertainment Tonight, because I

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<v Speaker 2>remember the report on the special, yes, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I ever actually saw the special, but I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Entertainment Tonight kind of hyping it.

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Autopsy fact or Fiction is a nineteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>pseudo documentary containing grainy black and white footage. I'll be hoaxed.

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Autopsy. They were playing it like it was real.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Sure, at the time it seemed like there was real,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they were not going to kind of commit one

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<v Speaker 2>way or the other as to whether it was real

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<v Speaker 2>or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously, how are they airing that without just saying

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<v Speaker 2>this is simply not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then people won't watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's got to be some someone's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be held responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why you say it. We're not saying it's

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<v Speaker 1>not real it's or is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they say where it originated from the footage?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, the alien autopsy? So in nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see here, it's a film purporting to show an

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<v Speaker 1>alien autopsy conducted shortly after the Roswell incident. Roz, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so curious. So are you reading from Wikipedia? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>just still from Mary? Yeah? Still Wikipedia? Here. The footage

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<v Speaker 1>aired on television networks around the world. Fox Television broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>and purported autopsy, hosted by Jonathan Frikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Last we've heard of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what happened to Jonathan Frikes? I think this the

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<v Speaker 1>pseudo documentary happened to him. The program was thoroughly debunked. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The footage was shot on an inexpensive set constructed in

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<v Speaker 1>a London living room.

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<v Speaker 2>Living room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's alien bodies were hollow plaster casts filled with Oh

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<v Speaker 1>fal what the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's like intestines and stuff, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Organ meats, sheep brains and raspberry jam. Kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>hagis people were so fucking stupid when we were younger,

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<v Speaker 1>and but in a way that I miss.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, wouldn't it be nice to have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more of that mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there wasn't as much internet and stuff to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's here's how they did it. We did immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, back then you would have to wait a few

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<v Speaker 2>months for like the reporting to be done for it

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<v Speaker 2>to make its way to TV. And now while it's airing,

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<v Speaker 2>people are debunking it.

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<v Speaker 1>God, the good old days. Well, this actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of what I have prepared for us to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today. But I'm curious, what was there anything

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<v Speaker 1>that stood out to you in your in your watching

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<v Speaker 1>last time?

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<v Speaker 2>I watched two different ghost stories. One while the first

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<v Speaker 2>one was more interesting, it was about a family that moved.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I can't be responsible for knowing where

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<v Speaker 2>people move somewhere in the Midwest into a motel house.

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<v Speaker 2>The uh it was going for sixty thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently they offered that much and then bought it for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four thousand dollars, so that I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>the first red flaoh ghee. And they were all being haunted,

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<v Speaker 2>they were all being bitten. Something was biting them in

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<v Speaker 2>the night. And this woman said she woke up and

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<v Speaker 2>her baby was standing on her chest holding a butcher knife.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's just you have a horrible baby. I know

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<v Speaker 1>your baby's biting you and trying to kill you. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not a ghost motel house.

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<v Speaker 2>But they brought in a of course, they had a

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<v Speaker 2>para psychologist's name, course, he had an incredible name. I

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<v Speaker 2>think his name was Peter Moscow, Doctor Peter Moscow, and

0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.120
<v Speaker 2>he came in and just confirmed that something dark was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>That's as far as he would go. Apparently someone had

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<v Speaker 2>there had been a suicide murder of a daughter that

0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.840
<v Speaker 2>was mean to her father, and these people were just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of trapped with this hotel house. They tried to

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<v Speaker 2>move out, but I guess all of their savings were

0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.320
<v Speaker 2>wrapped up and so they had to move back in

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of and that's kind of where the

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<v Speaker 2>show left off. I guess they just got stuck with

0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:18.520
<v Speaker 2>a bad house. Whatever happens to those people probably more bites.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing about watching these old shows is it's

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating because the follow ups that you don't get from

0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.600
<v Speaker 2>me or whatever, you know, like you're just like, okay, yeah,

0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.240
<v Speaker 2>it's just left of your imagination. Who else is going

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<v Speaker 2>to follow up on that? I guess, so that family

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<v Speaker 2>could all be dead by Now. What was the other

0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.840
<v Speaker 2>ghost story? The other one was about a it was

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<v Speaker 2>called the Seven Seas Motel or hotel in Hawaii that

0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.360
<v Speaker 2>was built on I think what was later found to

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<v Speaker 2>be a burial ground or a classic of course, and

0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.520
<v Speaker 2>it was destroyed by they said, a hurricane, which I

0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't aware that Hawaii got herhurricanes. Don't they classify those

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<v Speaker 2>as typhoons in the Pacific Ocean?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>But according to sightings, a hurricane destroyed it, and they

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that there were bones buried beneath it that then

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<v Speaker 2>had to be taken out and taken care of in

0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the traditional way. And they spoke to one chef who

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to know from the very beginning that this place

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<v Speaker 2>was doomed. She seemed really upset that any of this

0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.560
<v Speaker 2>was going on, and she seemed kind of like she

0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.640
<v Speaker 2>felt like they got what was coming. Oh, I think

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.800
<v Speaker 2>she was kind of happy, maybe a bitter ex employee.

0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I see, She's like, that's why you don't fucking do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that one was less. It didn't feel it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a natural disaster had destroyed it. So it wasn't

0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.439
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't as much showth started. I think maybe there

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<v Speaker 2>must have been some sort of ghostiness happening before the

0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.640
<v Speaker 2>hurricane destroyed it, because otherwise and then they find the bones.

0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Then they find the bones and say, well, this is

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.040
<v Speaker 2>why it happened. But so it was that one was

0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:09.280
<v Speaker 2>less interesting to me. It felt like there was less eeriness.

0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.320
<v Speaker 1>This is so interesting that you watched this last night,

0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.320
<v Speaker 1>because what I prepared for us today, there's an unsolved

0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>mysteries element to it. From there's a eighties nineties element

0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.560
<v Speaker 1>to it. There's also parapsychology, which parapsychology you don't hear

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.320
<v Speaker 1>about it ever anymore, but that was there was always

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<v Speaker 1>a parapsychologist in the nineties, huge demand for them. Yes,

0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.400
<v Speaker 1>they were really that was a big job in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>If you told your parents of the nineties that's what

0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.679
<v Speaker 2>you were going to study, they probably thought, great.

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh wonderful, a doctor's a future. Yeah exactly, mom, Dad,

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm marrying a parapsychologist. They would have been like, Wow,

0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that means he's gonna be on TV all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Okay. So this one also, I you know,

0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't I never want to to step on other

0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 1>people's toes. But it does get a little bit my

0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:10.639
<v Speaker 1>favorite murdery.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, then let's go all in and try to

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.280
<v Speaker 2>take over the network.

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:20.800
<v Speaker 1>With this one. It gets really sad for a minute,

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.359
<v Speaker 1>as often it does with the paranormal. Sure, but it

0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 1>starts so fun. It starts with the line, it starts good.

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<v Speaker 1>So I watched this ABC News three parter okay on

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<v Speaker 1>Hulu called Demons and Saviors. Oh I like this, Yeah,

0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, I had no clue where it was going

0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.600
<v Speaker 1>when I started it, because of one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. Yes, I didn't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>just going to be demons or saviors. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily that I was getting into a murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. You usually kind of assume that, like the deaths

0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 2>happen a long time ago, you're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>a sad tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this one is fascinating because let's just get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So nineteen eighty four, okay, Columbus, Ohio. Okay, a place

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I'm making a stop on my upcoming tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this woman, well young girl at the time, Christina Boyer,

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<v Speaker 1>who at the time was known as Tina Rush. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so something has happened foreshadowing. You pick up on these things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we have you here. So there's this family.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Joan and John okay, rash Joan and John and John.

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<v Speaker 1>So Joan and John they adopted Tina when she was

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<v Speaker 1>two years old?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they adopt her as Tina?

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<v Speaker 1>That's very mommy dearest, that I don't know. I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>am assuming since she was two she already had that name.

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<v Speaker 1>Soh you know, everything is fine. It does seem like

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Joan and John are not great parents, but she had

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<v Speaker 1>a rough beginning, and you know, they have her in

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.320
<v Speaker 1>their custody. So when she's fourteen years old is when

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.520
<v Speaker 1>things first started happening. She says that she wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning and she hears an alarm clock that's

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 1>just going crazy, like her alarm clock is going nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>She unplugs it. That doesn't help. She goes downstairs. She

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:44.320
<v Speaker 1>turns on the TV and the volume is just blasting.

0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, and the channels are changing by themselves. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The mom unplugs it, Joan and it keeps playing, So

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<v Speaker 1>that must mean something's going on. The lights are going

0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>on and off, glasses are flying across the room. Things

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<v Speaker 1>like just instantly one morning started going crazy, absolute tornado

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 1>of things happening. It's not just one subtle thing exactly.

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 1>And so naturally her parents, who were religious, they called

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 1>an exorcist and they were like, something's going on with

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:17.159
<v Speaker 1>with Tina.

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh. They immediately said, this is Tina's fault.

0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 1>It seemed to be centered around her. It only this

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff started happening all the time, but only when she

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 1>was home. Okay, okay, So imagine you're sitting the mom

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 1>and dad, Joan and John there with their coffee and

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>newspaper at the table, and then all of a sudden

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.639
<v Speaker 1>she walks in. They're like, God, here's.

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 2>The evil orphan again.

0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Here we go. Things are going to start flying. The

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:49.399
<v Speaker 1>exorcist shows up, the priest, he does his darn dust

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and he said the quote was there are some things

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 1>we cannot understand, and then he left. He said I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wow, he was he gave up. Yeah, he said,

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>this is above my pay grade. So this is when

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 1>they call the Columbus Dispatch newspaper, which you know, this

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>is always that part of the story where it starts

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:22.479
<v Speaker 1>going public. They send over a photographer and they actually

0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>captured this kind of iconic photo of this. It's probably

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:31.639
<v Speaker 1>the most famous photo of this case where she is

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 1>sitting and a phone flew across her lap. Oh, it

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>just like flew over her lap. Gee, how could you

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>show us that photo? Please? This is from the Columbus Dispatch.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just listening, you can just google Tina Rash

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and you'll see this picture. That is actually I didn't

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 1>notice that they do have multiultiple phones.

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 2>This phone looks like it crawled along the carpet and

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 2>jumped over the sheet.

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Seriously, Well, this is back in the days when we

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>had the rotary, you know, the connected to the wall.

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Laura Curly Q's she's having a blast. Well, I think

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 1>she was happy because it was getting documented and she's

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>she's even said, like you can tell from this photo,

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I did not throw it. It's flying across my lap

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>and she's just sitting there as it's happening. I love

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>like the wood paneling on.

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 2>The wall in the blanket behind her blank Yeah, Blant,

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I actually think I have a blanket very similar to that.

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:50.679
<v Speaker 1>It's sort of Roseanne's family completely the Connors.

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Just in front of a live studio audience.

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 1>It really is anyway, So there was some some good

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 1>documented evidence right there.

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 2>That's an amazing It really is an amazing photo. That's like,

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that's a very good looking picture.

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Does it convince you that she didn't do this?

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean the way her arms are, her face, I

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:14.919
<v Speaker 2>think does not look like an acting face.

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, it looks Let's try. Do we have something

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>that we can throw and.

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>See if you can?

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>You can fold your arms like that? Okay?

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>So I mean her arms are headed in the direction

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>of if you were to throw the phone.

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's true, But I can try with this water.

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, Okay, what do you think that was really good? Ah? Fuck?

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now I feel like to me, her face is

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 2>telling me that's not a trained performer. That's somebody who

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 2>something has happened. She's not making that face on her own.

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 1>She's shocked. Okay, well, we're still having fun with this story.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>While at last, because turn so she was bullied at school,

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>kids would sing the Twilight Zone song to her at

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>her After this became news, people would throw her down

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the stairs and tell her to fly.

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>A parapsychologist reached out named William Roll okay, And he

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>was from North Carolina at the famous parapsychology lab there

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>at the college the university, and he became a big

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 1>part of her life. And he moved in and started

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 1>studying her. Oh interest, so he could just be around

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>this twenty four to seven, and he believed this was

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily spooky. It was more that she just had

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>these electric charges.

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh but to me, that says she's kind of a

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>supernatural for sure.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>But it's not like a demon thing right where her

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>parents were not fully convinced.

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>They were nothing evil happening.

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:10.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's like.

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>She's kind of like an x.

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 1>A talent person. It's a it's like some kind of talent.

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's like what I don't know what you call

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>it is an ability, it's a star. Some people are

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>double jointed. Sure, some people can move phones across their lap.

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.959
<v Speaker 1>She later found out that when she was a baby,

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>she was sick and her parents abandoned her at the hospital.

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 1>She was later reunited with her biological sister and who

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>has said in actually, in this TV documentary, they interview

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>her biological sister, who says that her family were wiccan.

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Her grandmother and her mother could move things with their mind.

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh isn't this interesting? Okay, so there's a lineage. Yeah,

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>apparently the TV would turn on if the mom was mad,

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, things like that. Actually, in the documentary, the

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>sister shows a picture of Tina's biological mother that it's

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like a caricature. It looks like very like boardwalk caricature

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of the mother, and it's on the wall and she's like,

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>this thing. I come home all the time. It's always turned,

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>it falls on the ground. It's interesting, but it's like

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>she got it done at the fair or something. It's like, yeah,

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's the mother who's I'm assuming dad. Now that's

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the only picture they have of her. Oh god, something

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>they got us six flex. I know that's sad. I

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>hope that's not true. But you know, there was a

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble with that original family. But nonetheless they

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>had these abilities, and I think that's that is pretty validating.

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to poll members of the family, but the sister doesn't, but.

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>She believes it. I don't believe the sister has that ability,

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>which I think gives some credibility because she could be

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a very logical person.

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>She's not claiming to have any of this, but she's saying, look,

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I've noticed it with the other family.

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Members totally, and this is just you know, this is

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>her blood family, and and you know, people will tell

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you that this kind of a thing is hereditary rights

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>it okay. So her adoptive family, Jonah John, according to her,

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>were abusive. They caused a lot of stress and trauma

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and this can trigger this sort of thing, right, they say,

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, this sort of poltergeisty activity. Usually the theories

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, most commonly teenage girls, lots of stress, whatever.

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, sounds convincing. Have you ever heard

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of the amazing Randy Yes?

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Why have I heard of that?

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Every once in a while he comes up on this

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>podcast and I'm obsessed with him. He would wear a

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>cape and he died only like maybe two or three

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>years ago. But he was a famous debunker.

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right.

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 1>And he would offer people like this that were getting

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of press a million dollar check and you know,

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>if you can prove it, I'll give you a million dollars.

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>And he never gave anybody a million dollars. But he

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>showed up and Joan the mom was like, get the

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>fuck out of here and she didn't even let him in.

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what does that say. I don't know, it's

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>very you could argue either. Well, so after they said amazing,

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Randy away, they are like, we need to have a

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.959
<v Speaker 1>press conference. We need to just talk about this and

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>show once and for all that it's real.

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Get it all out.

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>They invite over the media. They sit there for nine

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>hours and nothing happened.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Imagine being part of the media for that nine hours. Exhausting.

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Now here's this is where things. This is not quite

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the dark part yet, but this is a part that's

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>not not a cute look. So they're like, okay, we

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>need to take a break, we need to go get

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a snack. So some of the camera crew leave a

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>camera rolling.

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, smart.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>They leave the room as Tina's on the couch and

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>they capture her on film pushing over a lamp and

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:36.959
<v Speaker 1>acting like it was a ghost.

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Tina, I mean, just on Tina's side here.

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she was feeling a lot of pressure. It's real,

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 2>she's not producing results. You've got to figure something out

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>quickly exactly.

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, and what she says is she wanted them to

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>leave and she just needed to give them something.

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm got to get on with my day.

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>She didn't know she was gonna be on film. She

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>thought they were just going to capture that after effects,

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>right and she could just be like, wow, look what happened.

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>But no, they straight up caught her on camera. There

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>is the footage in this center footage. It's in the documentary. Yeah,

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that sounds I'm not gonna lie. She does it pretty good,

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Like she picture a lampshade. She sticks her hand underneath

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and goes like this and goes, ah, No, good for her,

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>but it also kind of was like, you've done this before. Girl. Anyway,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the parapsychologist role. He brings her to his lab in

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. She gets put under a hypnosis and hopes

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that her traumatic memories would trigger some of this activity.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>They even assigned her a female companion to document her

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>every move, including when they would sleep and they would

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>go to the bathroom together. No, boy, they really wanted

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to get this stuff captured. But her powers kind of stopped.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>And how her stopped when someone was around all the time.

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, but it seemed like it was maybe the stress

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of being around those parents. She didn't she wasn't she

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>was a lot happier to.

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Be more interesting, right, She had like a more comforting

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 2>source around her. She felt safe.

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a theory. William Rowle sent her to the

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Delphi University of Spiritual Studies, which is in Georgia. They

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>tried to help her work on doing psychic readings on people.

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that really took off as a career

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>for her.

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Well that doesn't. That's not her thing.

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that of what she does? Are we talking about?

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>That's not her niece.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>She's not a multi talent. She's got one thing.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>They thought, maybe okay, if you can move lamps, maybe

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you can see the future. Yeah. So she goes back home.

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>The parents are like, we just can't have your route.

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>So they actually sent her to a juvenile detention center.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Well they wanted to. She ran away at age sixteen.

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>She meets an awful man. She gets pregnant. Oh boy,

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 1>she has a daughter named Amber. Once she has the baby,

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>her powers are back more than hour. Oh and you know,

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>even she was like, could it be Amber? Could it

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 1>be the baby has these powers?

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, like new fresh powers in the baby.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, while taking a nap one day, the baby's taking

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a nap, Smoke alarms go off, the baby's room is

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>on fire. Oh that's not good.

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>How on fire do we know?

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now everyone, this is when things get dark.

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is I kind of yeah.

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen ninety two. She's out of the house, her three

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>year old daughter Amber gets hurt and dies. Not good.

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>This is all just part of the store. Okay. So

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm more interested in the fact that she was a

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>paranormal case. But it turns into a murder case because

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>she ends up getting charged. Obviously so does her boyfriend

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>who was watching the baby at the time, but also

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>once it becomes a trial or you know, when she's accused.

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>The town where she's in, which at this point was Carrollton, Georgia,

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>they kept bringing up, you know, her paranormal past to

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>a show. She's you can't trust her and she was

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>found guilty. Oh and she's serving a life sentence.

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Now there are other elements to this that aren't good

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.879
<v Speaker 1>looks for her. I don't necessarily want to get into

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 1>all of it, because that's not really what I'm trying

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.439
<v Speaker 1>to cover. But there's a lot of activists and law

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>students that are trying to prove that she was wrongfully convicted,

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>and what happened with the boyfriend? I believe he sent

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a life sentence. Yes, okay, she was up for the

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 1>death pencil penalty penalty, but is serving a life sentence

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 1>and she's behind bars. She in the documentary does like

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 1>some phone interviews she you know, I think that ultimately

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it was like, well, she's the she's

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the mother, so she needs to she's responsible.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the defense? Why are people thinking she's

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>wrongfully convicted?

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, because she wasn't there.

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>She simply wasn't there when it happened.

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she wasn't there when it happened. I mean, and

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not entirely I mean, she got hurt and then

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>she died at the hospital. Okay, it just seems like

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 1>it was her boyfriend, right, and was the boy as

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>far as I know, do they catch up with the

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>dad on the documentary? Really, it's this is more about her,

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.919
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not I'm not one hundred percent sure about

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the murder stuff. What you know, I'm curious about because literally,

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>like half the documentary is this paranormal stuff, and then

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>the other half is this part.

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 2>These should just be different shows.

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 1>But that's what's interesting. She's like two sensational stories.

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 2>I know, there's the occasional person who can be on

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>a tabloid for two different reasons, and that's that's something.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>And she's doing it. Yeah, I don't know. I do

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>feel I feel for the woman. I mean, it sounds

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>horrible all of all of this stuff from start to finish,

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's also interesting to see what it's like for

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>someone that, you know, if we are to believe she

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>really did have these abilities, how hard that was on her.

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, in the phone calls from prison, does she

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 2>touch on her abilities? Yes, what does she say about them?

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>She absolutely did them, and she owns up to the

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>fact that, yeah, that's time I pushed over the lamp.

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I wanted them to leave. I was a teenager and

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I was sick of it.

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 2>It was nine hours, but she still says it was

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 2>a real phenomenon. Yes, Is she causing any sort of

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 2>ruckus in the prison with this sort of thing.

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Not that I know. There is some guy that they

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>interview at one point that's like, I don't know, he

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>might have been a police officer. I'm not sure what

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>he is, but somebody on the opposition of her and

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>her case, and he's like, well, if she had powers,

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>why isn't she just open up the door in the

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 1>prison cell let herself out.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>That's not how it works, sir, That's simply not how

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>it works.

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if she had a landline next to her, she

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>would throw it at your head. She'd be doing all

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>kinds of things like that. So yeah, it's very interesting.

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Sad but interesting.

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 2>And the name switch, I assume that happened before the murder.

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>So according to Wikipedia, it says Tina Rash married and

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>divorced twice.

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that she married that guy. I thought

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they called her his the boyfriend. Now this is again Wikipedia,

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 1>sure right, which I don't. Do you have a Wikipedia?

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I want a Wikipedia.

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia. Wikipedia is interesting. I feel like people don't add

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>to it anymore.

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>But you can't just have People are always like, oh,

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you just have one, No like you. It has to

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>be like a qualified person has to make.

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>And you can't make your own. No, there's nothing said

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>or I've tried.

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Listen. I want a place where people can learn about me.

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you ever go to someone's Wikipedia and you're like,

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>this is entirely they're doing.

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 2>So I'll make one for you.

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Are you approved?

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>No, but I'll try to submit as not you.

0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>That would be so sweet.

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give it a shot.

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 1>But wait. Back to her. All that says here is

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>she was married in divorce twice, changing her name to

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Christina Boyer. So I'm not sure, but I think either way,

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>she was trying her darnedus to start a new life

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was hard, you know. She. I think she

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't given the life skills and was really she didn't

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 1>have money, and she was from what it made. It

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>seem like a single mother, single income, trying to make

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 1>things work.

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>And you think about this person. She was adopted by

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>horrible parents. She was also technically a child star in Florida.

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Both of those things don't really set you up for adulthood. Yeah,

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, And also she just has supernatural powers, so

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>she's dealing with all kinds of things.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot.

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.479
<v Speaker 2>And two husbands, it's a lot.

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And she was trying to write a book about it.

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>With the hypnotist that was assigned to her when she

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>was in North Carolina. It was actually the woman who

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>would go to the bathroom at the same time as

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 1>her and the Yes, they interviewed the lady and she

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>seems great and she's like actually, like one of her

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>best friends.

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine telling people I'm writing a book with

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 2>my hypnotist.

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>She didn't have many friends, it's the thing. And she

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>still has these people, and her her sister who was

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>her you know, her biological sister she met later, Like,

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they've ever met in person. Oh, I

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>don't think that. I know.

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>They're red flags there if someone starts to claim they're

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>your sister, but you're in prison and you can't really verify,

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.320
<v Speaker 2>don't you wonder like is this just some sort of fraud.

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, I don't know. Everyone else just wild thing.

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, everyone, if you if you happen to have

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>a Hulu subscription, I know you all had one when

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>my show was on there, but I don't know whatever

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.439
<v Speaker 1>your current state is with Hulu. It's it's definitely worth

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the watch. Okay, can I show you a haunted doll?

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I would love nothing more.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So I

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 1>go to eBay dot com. I for some reason, I remember,

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 1>like it was yesterday, the ones that I had with

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>you because it was a two doll doll. Right, Yeah,

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>they were a couple.

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 2>And that there was something kitchy about it or something.

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They were like a garden, yeah, like a craft fair.

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I've gone to eBay and I've found a

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>new one and this one is going for forty and

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 1>her name is Karen. Okay, great geehah, show us Karen please.

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh looks like Karen's wearing a wig.

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, she's a doll, but I feel like.

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 2>That match her complexion.

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it feels like.

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 2>A new she's trying something new, she's.

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Trying it out to see what's Happening's.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 2>One eye bigger than the other?

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say maybe one's a little bit bigger.

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>They are framed by the drawn on eyelashes, which.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Are almost like a starburst, you know, blasting.

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she's got some she's got some eyebrows, that's for sure.

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 1>And then you know typical haunted doll dress, sort of velvety.

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Victorian purple with lace.

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 1>But she's a Karen.

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 2>She looks uncomfortable that dress is it's too much on her?

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, she doesn't want to be doing any of this.

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Looks like she can't move.

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Based on these photos, I would say she does not

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>want to be posing for this photo. She does not

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 1>want to be in this dress, she does not want

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 1>to be wearing this wig. She It's very like when

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>your mom makes you do first communion or something and

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to. Okay, So here's the thing. She's

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>named Karen. Okay, she is as they would say, a Karen.

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.959
<v Speaker 2>She's I mean, this is a classic Karen.

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Now, the whole Karen phenomena. I think it got a

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>little played out. Oh, I mean, come on to me,

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it's funny again. You think it's back. I think it's

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>funny again. I like to call I especially like to

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:58.760
<v Speaker 1>call men Karen. Sure, but I think it's a little

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>bit funny to me. And I don't know what that

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 1>says about me, but I think it's slightly funny to

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.320
<v Speaker 1>be like, stop being a Karen.

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 2>It feels like the Karen behavior has like it's shifted

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 2>in a way, or people who you would used to

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>call a Karen are now a different name. And I

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:15.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the name is for that sort of

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 2>person anymore. But I feel like if you were to

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>call somebody a Karen now, they would have to have

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 2>a new attribute I evolved.

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I like to say it like if someone's not doing

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>something too crazy, like if someone's like, hey, could you

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>not do that? And be like okay, Karen, Like I

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>think that's more fun? Do you like to call? I

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like to turn it into a problem as a way

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>to provoke people. What were we gonna ask?

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna ask you when Karen kind of became

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the name for that sort of behavior, did you feel

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 2>like that was the name that we should be using

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 2>or was there like another white lady name that you

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 2>felt was closer to that sort.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Of Hellen Helen. I don't know.

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Christy, Oh, Christie, Christie sounds a little

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 2>nastier or something.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do feel bad for Karen's of course

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that I have, you know, had to deal with that.

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't know.

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 2>What do you do? You just have to fight through it.

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, our friend Karen, she had a good sense

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>of humor, has absolutely embraced it. Yeah, yeah, I.

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Think I don't know. I don't know where she's at

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>with it nowadays.

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 2>It never seemed to affect her in any way. Yeah,

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I think that if it does affect you you're kind

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 2>of a Karen.

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but that's so like gas lighty or something.

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, let's read about this Karen. It says, Meet Karen,

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a spirited and mischievous doll. She's dressed in a stunning

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>purple dress. She is definitely a handful. I got her

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>from another collector who simply couldn't handle her anymore. Oh,

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I keep burping, sorry because you gave me a La

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Croy Giha. This is Giha being a Karen she has.

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm Christie to you.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>My apologies to the Christie's out there. I know, I'm

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 2>sure good Christie's.

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Christi's are gonna be mad. Okay. I've had Karen for

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 1>about four years now, and she's been nothing short of

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>a whirlwind. The previous owner warned me about her antics.

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Karen loves to play pranks, and sometimes they go a

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>little too far. She's loud, obnoxious, and always the life

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>of the party. Karen is a true party girl, and

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 1>she loves to be the center of attention. One of

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 1>her favorite tricks is to touch me when I least

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 1>expect it. That's the salt. I could be standing there

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>and suddenly I feel a light touch on my shoulder

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 1>or a whisper in my ear. She's also known to

0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 1>visit my dreams, filling them with not so nice. Despite

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 1>numerous attempts to communicate with her through a Ouiji board's

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>spirit box and a cat ball, I still don't know

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>how she passed away. When she's on the spirit box,

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the sound she makes are like she's trying to get

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a message across, but it's always unclear. Karen loves to

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>flicker lights on and off, slam doors, and turn the

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.799
<v Speaker 1>water on. Her presence is so active that I'm at

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>my wits end. I just can't handle this very active

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>spirit anymore, especially at my age. How old is this person?

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Ninety five year old's? Their Evay account.

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Is just keeping Karen away from your other vessels aka

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>haunted dolls, particularly the nicer female ones, as she tends

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to stir up trouble.

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, she's one of these classic women.

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>He's not a girl's girl. Yeah, she's not a dolls doll.

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>There's so much more to learn about Karen, and she

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>has a lot more to say and do. If you

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>think you can handle her, she's ready to bring her

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>unique brand of chaos into your home. Just be prepared

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 1>for a wild ride.

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:14.399
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see this put on a dog

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 2>rescue the description of a dog up for adoption.

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Seriously, they're very similar. And having spent a lot of

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:25.440
<v Speaker 1>time looking at dog rescue websites and haunted dolls, they're close,

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:29.080
<v Speaker 1>right they are, Yeah, for sure. They the people that

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>are selling these dolls treat these as if you're about

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 1>to welcome a new pet and a rescue. Yes, they do,

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they say adopt, are you would you like

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to adopt this?

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Adopt? Don't shop evil.

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Dolls, except you do have you have forty dollars for

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:47.439
<v Speaker 1>this one?

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Right right?

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 1>All right? That's Karen. You know what?

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I just want to say. The one thing I noticed

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.880
<v Speaker 2>about her face, the expression is I can't believe you're

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>getting on the elevator with me?

0:49:58.440 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean?

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Because she feels like she's comfortable and surprised. That like,

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 2>this is the sort of feeling I get when I

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 2>walk onto an elevator and people are like, oh, I

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:08.799
<v Speaker 2>thought I was going to be on here.

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Alone because they farted.

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I think she's like, this is my little space, right, Yeah,

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 1>she definitely, how dare you? She does not look happy?

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what I don't understand doll makers that make dolls

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:27.719
<v Speaker 1>with horrible express look just physically uncomfortable. Seriously, like this

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 1>doll does not want to be there. No, And as always,

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>go to Instagram ghosted by Ras. Under the story highlight

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>called Dolls twenty twenty five, you'll see Karen can I

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>play some ghost voices? I love as it's time for

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 1>EVP or ev plase. Okay, these are both from the

0:50:56.160 --> 0:51:02.760
<v Speaker 1>same channel. It's called Chicago Land Halloween at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery.

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Bachelor's Grove.

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I know if you're a single ghost lady, this is

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:17.160
<v Speaker 1>where you want to go singles ghost ship. Yes, so

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the cemetery. What is it saying Bridger lying?

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I mean I think that's very clear what

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:35.360
<v Speaker 2>it's saying. You're lying. I think you're lying.

0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really good guess. I think you

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:45.520
<v Speaker 1>are lying, is what it sounds like. Well that's not

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>what they thought. Oh, Chicago Land Halloween had a different interpretation.

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Did they think it was a are you my type? I mean, okay, okay, sure,

0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 1>b review our lives? Does that even mean? C? Are

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you alive? Or d F you I'm tired, okay.

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 2>And just to be clear, it said f you like

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:15.440
<v Speaker 2>it was censoring itself.

0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes, f you, I'm tired. Okay. Now it's one of

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>those lying.

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, out of all of those knowing that it's

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a bachelor or you might type, they believe it was

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 2>b review our lives, which feels like somebody that's welcoming

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 2>you to this kind of dating service of the graveyard,

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.240
<v Speaker 2>like take a look at our stats or our favorite song,

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>or review review our lives, look at our signs and

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.120
<v Speaker 2>everything and tell us if you're interested. Yes, so now

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that we know it's review our lives, view.

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Our lives, No, it is.

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I think you are lying.

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Wait one more time. I think you were like it's yeah.

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 2>And there's something very eagerie to me about a ghost

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:09.279
<v Speaker 2>telling you knowing that you're lying to it that spooks me.

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like the belief is like ghosts know

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the truth.

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 1>One more okay, same place. What is this one saying nothing?

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Hang on? Is that really it's throwing up? The other

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>one was so clear.

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 2>The other one was talking, and this one is dry

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 2>heaving or something. And then I would say, I come

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 2>from nowhere.

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 1>A bad gass. Well do they think it was a

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I wanted soup? Okay, B I'm Liz and I'm here

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>girl boss C I live in spirit.

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I live in spirit?

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Or d I don't like your parents.

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean I from the like the kind of vomit

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 2>feel from it. I'm going to say I wanted soup.

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of the the you know, you get food poison,

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and you thought I should have gone for this other

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>thing and I wouldn't be sick right.

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Now, I wanted soup. This shouldn't have happened in the

0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 1>first place.

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Right I got egg salad. Here we are.

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, that sounds so gross to me. They believe

0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it is. See, I live in spirit.

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I live in spirit. These people have got to be

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 2>released from telling people what these they're bad at this.

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Come on, I can hear it. Wait, it's I come

0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:25.840
<v Speaker 1>from nowhere. I live in spirit. I picture hands on

0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the head. I live in spirit.

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:30.399
<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:32.479
<v Speaker 1>That there is spirit? Now?

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:33.799
<v Speaker 2>What a boring thing?

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>That's so obvious? Well, they just wanted you to know

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<v Speaker 1>I live in spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me something I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think that I'm still living you wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me you don't like my parents, tell me you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted soup.

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously, give me. Give me an anecdote, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of texture, a little texture from your a bachelor coloring.

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<v Speaker 1>Give it a little color.

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<v Speaker 2>You meet that guy for coffee and that's what he's

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<v Speaker 2>telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>I live and spare it. Give me a break, Bridger,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Little shame.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we got to the bottom of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>We did.

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<v Speaker 2>You're totally unsatisfied.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean now, I'm always like double check my facts

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to when we're talking about people dying

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. But I'm pretty sure I got

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<v Speaker 1>things right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it close enough. You know the story there,

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there are so many angles and there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many participants. There's so many news stories, right.

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<v Speaker 1>See, that's the thing with this Tina story. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on the paranormal part, but then there's this

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<v Speaker 1>whole other part.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she'd prefer you to focus on the paranorm.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably, but the other part is not necessarily my right jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's another podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I'm not used to covering things about the

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<v Speaker 1>trials and sentences and stuff like that. But if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a phone flying across someone's lap. That's me. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>one to call to talk about that. Bridger, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you got going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I have my podcast? I said, no gifts of court.

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<v Speaker 1>You do.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on this network and you can go to Ice said,

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<v Speaker 2>no gifts Instagram. How do people look up on Instagram?

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<v Speaker 1>They go to where it's this search and they typed

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<v Speaker 1>it in and then they type it in.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's the easiest way to do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, click accounts probably be the first thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Roz has been an incredible guest.

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<v Speaker 1>You always have great guests. I feel very sad you

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<v Speaker 1>have coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this week we have George Saveris from Stradio Lab.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wonderful. We just had mutual friend Sam Pancake, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the funniest people alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Just had Tom Sharpling.

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<v Speaker 1>Love Tom Sharps, a dear, He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we have a good time and I'm just slowly

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<v Speaker 2>collecting items. It'spent five years.

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<v Speaker 1>People somehow always bring you a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>I have received at least two hundred and fifty items. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've started giving a few of them away. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is something I've kind of just given myself this curse.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything you can make money off of, not that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed yet. I'd love for somebody to give me

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<v Speaker 2>something valuable, just one thing that I can put on

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<v Speaker 2>a bit haunted doll. That'd be interesting. Karen, Karen, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>buy me, Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much to Bridge Wide Girl. That was fun. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you all soon, ros Hernandez tour dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll talk to you next week. I love you all,

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<v Speaker 1>both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

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<v Speaker 1>to haunt me, don't me came by. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by

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<v Speaker 1>Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM

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<v Speaker 1>or voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me

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<v Speaker 1>Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the

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<v Speaker 1>startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was mixed and sound designed by the Eerie

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<v Speaker 1>Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten.

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<v Speaker 1>My theme music is by the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

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<v Speaker 1>Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the

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<v Speaker 1>Spooky Georgia Hard Start, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer