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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky a juky. I'm really

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Speaker 1: sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I los Nandas. Please hey boo, it's me Roz and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I

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Speaker 1: talk to people that I like about the paranormal. Bridger

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Speaker 1: Wineger is back on the show this week. You, of

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Speaker 1: course know him from the Exactly Right podcast. I said,

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Speaker 1: no gifts. We do get into a story that has

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Speaker 1: a very tragic death, and I tried to sort of,

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Speaker 1: podcast is not like a murdery kind of show, so

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Speaker 1: part of the story. I had to put it in there,

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Speaker 1: but we mainly focus on a story that involves telekinetic powers.

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Speaker 1: It's a good episode you'll enjoy. I think. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into that episode, I wanted to tell you that

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Speaker 1: I am about to hit the road doing non ghost

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Speaker 1: related stand up comedy. I am also working on new

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Speaker 1: YouTube content, and I am working on hotels that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be ghost hunting at. It's expensive for me

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Speaker 1: to make these videos and time consuming, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna say any deadlines or any dates of when they're

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Speaker 1: just know that. But the stand up tour I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: all those tickets at roz Hernandez tour dot com. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: I'll see you there. Okay, here we go. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about some paranormal stuff. Here's my latest conversation with Bridger

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Speaker 1: Winecker and with the show said gifts, Bridger wine.

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Speaker 2: Girl, can I start talking?

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Speaker 1: Would you bring me?

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Speaker 2: I didn't bring anything, but I came to the office

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Speaker 2: to get a baby Bell cheese.

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Speaker 1: Oh baby Bell cheese. They had those here. They've got

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Speaker 1: They've got everything here at exactly right studios.

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Speaker 2: I just went through the snack closet. They've updated. It

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Speaker 1: Oh God, keep me out of there. I get into

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Speaker 2: I feel like they've they've turned it into more of

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Speaker 2: the vending machines we had in middle school. Okay, did

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Speaker 1: Yes, like that's an option now, Like I don't have

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Speaker 2: Now in your house, do you have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Do I try not to? But sometimes i'm by.

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Speaker 1: Man, I bring a gummy bears are a big so.

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Speaker 2: Our gummy worms for me I can't have at my house.

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Speaker 2: Last night? I was in preparation for this, which you do.

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Speaker 1: So Sightings, according to Wikipedia, is an American paranormal and

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Speaker 1: news televisions. It's just like this show. It first aired

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Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the Masked Magician? No?

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Speaker 1: This piece of shit? Oh, this fucking asshole. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: this man was a professional magician, you know how, Like

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Speaker 1: No one will know it's me. And now, like you know,

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Speaker 2: because you can't do the tricks.

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Speaker 1: No, they yeah, you nowadays you just have to straight

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Speaker 1: so sightings, you watch Sightings. I know that there are

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Speaker 1: in the nineties. Oh, there was also a famous alien

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Speaker 1: I think that was a fox but it was such

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Speaker 2: And my exposure to that was Entertainment Tonight, because I

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Speaker 2: remember the report on the special, yes, and so I

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Speaker 1: Alien Autopsy fact or Fiction is a nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 1: pseudo documentary containing grainy black and white footage. I'll be hoaxed.

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Speaker 1: Alien Autopsy. They were playing it like it was real.

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Speaker 1: Because then people won't watch it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's got to be some someone's got to

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why you say it. We're not saying it's

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, the alien autopsy? So in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: Let's see here, it's a film purporting to show an

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Speaker 1: alien autopsy conducted shortly after the Roswell incident. Roz, I'm

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Speaker 1: just still from Mary? Yeah? Still Wikipedia? Here. The footage

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Speaker 1: and purported autopsy, hosted by Jonathan Frikes.

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Speaker 1: This is so interesting that you watched this last night,

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Speaker 1: to it. There's also parapsychology, which parapsychology you don't hear

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Speaker 2: If you told your parents of the nineties that's what

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Speaker 1: Oh wonderful, a doctor's a future. Yeah exactly, mom, Dad,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm marrying a parapsychologist. They would have been like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then let's go all in and try to

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Speaker 1: With this one. It gets really sad for a minute,

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Speaker 1: So I watched this ABC News three parter okay on

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Speaker 2: Right. You usually kind of assume that, like the deaths

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Speaker 1: Well, this one is fascinating because let's just get into it.

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Speaker 1: So nineteen eighty four, okay, Columbus, Ohio. Okay, a place

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Speaker 1: Yes, this woman, well young girl at the time, Christina Boyer,

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Speaker 1: So Joan and John they adopted Tina when she was

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Speaker 2: Did they adopt her as Tina?

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Speaker 1: That's very mommy dearest, that I don't know. I'm I

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Speaker 2: Oh. They immediately said, this is Tina's fault.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Things are going to start flying. The

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Speaker 1: just like flew over her lap. Gee, how could you

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Speaker 1: show us that photo? Please? This is from the Columbus Dispatch.

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Speaker 1: If you're just listening, you can just google Tina Rash

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Speaker 2: This phone looks like it crawled along the carpet and

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Speaker 2: The wall in the blanket behind her blank Yeah, Blant,

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Speaker 1: It's sort of Roseanne's family completely the Connors.

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Speaker 1: It really is anyway, So there was some some good

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Speaker 2: That's an amazing It really is an amazing photo. That's like,

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Speaker 1: Does it convince you that she didn't do this?

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Speaker 1: You know, it looks Let's try. Do we have something

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Speaker 2: See if you can?

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Speaker 1: You can fold your arms like that? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's true, But I can try with this water.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, Okay, what do you think that was really good? Ah? Fuck?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I feel like to me, her face is

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Speaker 1: She's shocked. Okay, well, we're still having fun with this story.

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Speaker 1: While at last, because turn so she was bullied at school,

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Speaker 1: her After this became news, people would throw her down

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: A parapsychologist reached out named William Roll okay, And he

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Speaker 2: Oh but to me, that says she's kind of a

436
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: supernatural for sure.

437
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: But it's not like a demon thing right where her

438
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: parents were not fully convinced.

439
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: They were nothing evil happening.

440
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: It's just it's like.

441
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: She's kind of like an x.

442
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: A talent person. It's a it's like some kind of talent.

443
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: But it's like what I don't know what you call

444
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: it is an ability, it's a star. Some people are

445
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: double jointed. Sure, some people can move phones across their lap.

446
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: She later found out that when she was a baby,

447
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: she was sick and her parents abandoned her at the hospital.

448
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: She was later reunited with her biological sister and who

449
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: has said in actually, in this TV documentary, they interview

450
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: her biological sister, who says that her family were wiccan.

451
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: Her grandmother and her mother could move things with their mind.

452
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh isn't this interesting? Okay, so there's a lineage. Yeah,

453
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: apparently the TV would turn on if the mom was mad,

454
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. Actually, in the documentary, the

455
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: sister shows a picture of Tina's biological mother that it's

456
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: like a caricature. It looks like very like boardwalk caricature

457
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: of the mother, and it's on the wall and she's like,

458
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: this thing. I come home all the time. It's always turned,

459
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: it falls on the ground. It's interesting, but it's like

460
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: she got it done at the fair or something. It's like, yeah,

461
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: but it's the mother who's I'm assuming dad. Now that's

462
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: the only picture they have of her. Oh god, something

463
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: they got us six flex. I know that's sad. I

464
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: hope that's not true. But you know, there was a

465
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with that original family. But nonetheless they

466
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: had these abilities, and I think that's that is pretty validating.

467
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, to poll members of the family, but the sister doesn't, but.

468
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: She believes it. I don't believe the sister has that ability,

469
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: which I think gives some credibility because she could be

470
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: a very logical person.

471
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: She's not claiming to have any of this, but she's saying, look,

472
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: I've noticed it with the other family.

473
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Members totally, and this is just you know, this is

474
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: her blood family, and and you know, people will tell

475
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: you that this kind of a thing is hereditary rights

476
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: it okay. So her adoptive family, Jonah John, according to her,

477
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: were abusive. They caused a lot of stress and trauma

478
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: and this can trigger this sort of thing, right, they say,

479
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, this sort of poltergeisty activity. Usually the theories

480
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, most commonly teenage girls, lots of stress, whatever.

481
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know, sounds convincing. Have you ever heard

482
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: of the amazing Randy Yes?

483
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Why have I heard of that?

484
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: Every once in a while he comes up on this

485
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: podcast and I'm obsessed with him. He would wear a

486
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: cape and he died only like maybe two or three

487
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: years ago. But he was a famous debunker.

488
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

489
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: And he would offer people like this that were getting

490
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: a lot of press a million dollar check and you know,

491
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: if you can prove it, I'll give you a million dollars.

492
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: And he never gave anybody a million dollars. But he

493
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: showed up and Joan the mom was like, get the

494
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: fuck out of here and she didn't even let him in.

495
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what does that say. I don't know, it's

496
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: very you could argue either. Well, so after they said amazing,

497
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Randy away, they are like, we need to have a

498
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: press conference. We need to just talk about this and

499
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: show once and for all that it's real.

500
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Get it all out.

501
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: They invite over the media. They sit there for nine

502
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: hours and nothing happened.

503
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: Imagine being part of the media for that nine hours. Exhausting.

504
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Now here's this is where things. This is not quite

505
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: the dark part yet, but this is a part that's

506
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: not not a cute look. So they're like, okay, we

507
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: need to take a break, we need to go get

508
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: a snack. So some of the camera crew leave a

509
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: camera rolling.

510
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, smart.

511
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: They leave the room as Tina's on the couch and

512
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: they capture her on film pushing over a lamp and

513
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: acting like it was a ghost.

514
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, Tina, I mean, just on Tina's side here.

515
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: Maybe she was feeling a lot of pressure. It's real,

516
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: she's not producing results. You've got to figure something out

517
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: quickly exactly.

518
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Well, and what she says is she wanted them to

519
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: leave and she just needed to give them something.

520
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm got to get on with my day.

521
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: She didn't know she was gonna be on film. She

522
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: thought they were just going to capture that after effects,

523
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: right and she could just be like, wow, look what happened.

524
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: But no, they straight up caught her on camera. There

525
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: is the footage in this center footage. It's in the documentary. Yeah,

526
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that sounds I'm not gonna lie. She does it pretty good,

527
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: Like she picture a lampshade. She sticks her hand underneath

528
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: and goes like this and goes, ah, No, good for her,

529
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: but it also kind of was like, you've done this before. Girl. Anyway,

530
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: the parapsychologist role. He brings her to his lab in

531
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina. She gets put under a hypnosis and hopes

532
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: that her traumatic memories would trigger some of this activity.

533
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: They even assigned her a female companion to document her

534
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: every move, including when they would sleep and they would

535
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom together. No, boy, they really wanted

536
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: to get this stuff captured. But her powers kind of stopped.

537
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: And how her stopped when someone was around all the time.

538
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Well, but it seemed like it was maybe the stress

539
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: of being around those parents. She didn't she wasn't she

540
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: was a lot happier to.

541
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: Be more interesting, right, She had like a more comforting

542
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: source around her. She felt safe.

543
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a theory. William Rowle sent her to the

544
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Delphi University of Spiritual Studies, which is in Georgia. They

545
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: tried to help her work on doing psychic readings on people.

546
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that really took off as a career

547
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: for her.

548
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Well that doesn't. That's not her thing.

549
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Is that of what she does? Are we talking about?

550
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: That's not her niece.

551
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: She's not a multi talent. She's got one thing.

552
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: They thought, maybe okay, if you can move lamps, maybe

553
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: you can see the future. Yeah. So she goes back home.

554
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: The parents are like, we just can't have your route.

555
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: So they actually sent her to a juvenile detention center.

556
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: Well they wanted to. She ran away at age sixteen.

557
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: She meets an awful man. She gets pregnant. Oh boy,

558
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: she has a daughter named Amber. Once she has the baby,

559
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: her powers are back more than hour. Oh and you know,

560
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: even she was like, could it be Amber? Could it

561
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: be the baby has these powers?

562
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: Right, like new fresh powers in the baby.

563
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, while taking a nap one day, the baby's taking

564
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: a nap, Smoke alarms go off, the baby's room is

565
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: on fire. Oh that's not good.

566
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: How on fire do we know?

567
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, now everyone, this is when things get dark.

568
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 2: Okay, this is I kind of yeah.

569
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety two. She's out of the house, her three

570
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: year old daughter Amber gets hurt and dies. Not good.

571
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: This is all just part of the store. Okay. So

572
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm more interested in the fact that she was a

573
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: paranormal case. But it turns into a murder case because

574
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: she ends up getting charged. Obviously so does her boyfriend

575
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: who was watching the baby at the time, but also

576
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: once it becomes a trial or you know, when she's accused.

577
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: The town where she's in, which at this point was Carrollton, Georgia,

578
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: they kept bringing up, you know, her paranormal past to

579
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: a show. She's you can't trust her and she was

580
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: found guilty. Oh and she's serving a life sentence.

581
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

582
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Now there are other elements to this that aren't good

583
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: looks for her. I don't necessarily want to get into

584
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: all of it, because that's not really what I'm trying

585
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: to cover. But there's a lot of activists and law

586
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: students that are trying to prove that she was wrongfully convicted,

587
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: and what happened with the boyfriend? I believe he sent

588
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: a life sentence. Yes, okay, she was up for the

589
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: death pencil penalty penalty, but is serving a life sentence

590
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: and she's behind bars. She in the documentary does like

591
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: some phone interviews she you know, I think that ultimately

592
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like, well, she's the she's

593
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: the mother, so she needs to she's responsible.

594
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: What's the what's the defense? Why are people thinking she's

595
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: wrongfully convicted?

596
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Well, because she wasn't there.

597
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: She simply wasn't there when it happened.

598
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wasn't there when it happened. I mean, and

599
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: it's not entirely I mean, she got hurt and then

600
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: she died at the hospital. Okay, it just seems like

601
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: it was her boyfriend, right, and was the boy as

602
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: far as I know, do they catch up with the

603
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: dad on the documentary? Really, it's this is more about her,

604
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not one hundred percent sure about

605
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: the murder stuff. What you know, I'm curious about because literally,

606
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: like half the documentary is this paranormal stuff, and then

607
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: the other half is this part.

608
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: These should just be different shows.

609
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: But that's what's interesting. She's like two sensational stories.

610
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: I know, there's the occasional person who can be on

611
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: a tabloid for two different reasons, and that's that's something.

612
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: And she's doing it. Yeah, I don't know. I do

613
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: feel I feel for the woman. I mean, it sounds

614
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: horrible all of all of this stuff from start to finish,

615
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting to see what it's like for

616
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: someone that, you know, if we are to believe she

617
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: really did have these abilities, how hard that was on her.

618
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: I mean, in the phone calls from prison, does she

619
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: touch on her abilities? Yes, what does she say about them?

620
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: She absolutely did them, and she owns up to the

621
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: fact that, yeah, that's time I pushed over the lamp.

622
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: I wanted them to leave. I was a teenager and

623
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: I was sick of it.

624
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: It was nine hours, but she still says it was

625
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: a real phenomenon. Yes, Is she causing any sort of

626
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: ruckus in the prison with this sort of thing.

627
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Not that I know. There is some guy that they

628
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: interview at one point that's like, I don't know, he

629
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: might have been a police officer. I'm not sure what

630
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: he is, but somebody on the opposition of her and

631
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: her case, and he's like, well, if she had powers,

632
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: why isn't she just open up the door in the

633
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: prison cell let herself out.

634
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: That's not how it works, sir, That's simply not how

635
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: it works.

636
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, if she had a landline next to her, she

637
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: would throw it at your head. She'd be doing all

638
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: kinds of things like that. So yeah, it's very interesting.

639
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Sad but interesting.

640
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: And the name switch, I assume that happened before the murder.

641
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: So according to Wikipedia, it says Tina Rash married and

642
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: divorced twice.

643
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: Oh.

644
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that she married that guy. I thought

645
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: they called her his the boyfriend. Now this is again Wikipedia,

646
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: sure right, which I don't. Do you have a Wikipedia?

647
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: I want a Wikipedia.

648
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: Wikipedia. Wikipedia is interesting. I feel like people don't add

649
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: to it anymore.

650
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: But you can't just have People are always like, oh,

651
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: you just have one, No like you. It has to

652
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: be like a qualified person has to make.

653
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: And you can't make your own. No, there's nothing said

654
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: or I've tried.

655
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: Listen. I want a place where people can learn about me.

656
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: Do you ever go to someone's Wikipedia and you're like,

657
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: this is entirely they're doing.

658
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

659
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: So I'll make one for you.

660
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Are you approved?

661
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: No, but I'll try to submit as not you.

662
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: That would be so sweet.

663
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it a shot.

664
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: But wait. Back to her. All that says here is

665
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: she was married in divorce twice, changing her name to

666
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: Christina Boyer. So I'm not sure, but I think either way,

667
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: she was trying her darnedus to start a new life

668
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: and it was hard, you know. She. I think she

669
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: wasn't given the life skills and was really she didn't

670
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: have money, and she was from what it made. It

671
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: seem like a single mother, single income, trying to make

672
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: things work.

673
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: And you think about this person. She was adopted by

674
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: horrible parents. She was also technically a child star in Florida.

675
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: Both of those things don't really set you up for adulthood. Yeah,

676
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: so yeah, And also she just has supernatural powers, so

677
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: she's dealing with all kinds of things.

678
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

679
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 2: And two husbands, it's a lot.

680
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she was trying to write a book about it.

681
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: With the hypnotist that was assigned to her when she

682
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: was in North Carolina. It was actually the woman who

683
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: would go to the bathroom at the same time as

684
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: her and the Yes, they interviewed the lady and she

685
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: seems great and she's like actually, like one of her

686
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: best friends.

687
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: Can you imagine telling people I'm writing a book with

688
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: my hypnotist.

689
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: She didn't have many friends, it's the thing. And she

690
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: still has these people, and her her sister who was

691
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: her you know, her biological sister she met later, Like,

692
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever met in person. Oh, I

693
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: don't think that. I know.

694
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: They're red flags there if someone starts to claim they're

695
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: your sister, but you're in prison and you can't really verify,

696
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: don't you wonder like is this just some sort of fraud.

697
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't know. Everyone else just wild thing.

698
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, everyone, if you if you happen to have

699
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: a Hulu subscription, I know you all had one when

700
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: my show was on there, but I don't know whatever

701
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: your current state is with Hulu. It's it's definitely worth

702
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: the watch. Okay, can I show you a haunted doll?

703
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: I would love nothing more.

704
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So I

705
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com. I for some reason, I remember,

706
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday, the ones that I had with

707
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: you because it was a two doll doll. Right, Yeah,

708
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: they were a couple.

709
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: And that there was something kitchy about it or something.

710
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were like a garden, yeah, like a craft fair.

711
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: Right.

712
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've gone to eBay and I've found a

713
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: new one and this one is going for forty and

714
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: her name is Karen. Okay, great geehah, show us Karen please.

715
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: Oh looks like Karen's wearing a wig.

716
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: Well, she's a doll, but I feel like.

717
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: That match her complexion.

718
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it feels like.

719
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: A new she's trying something new, she's.

720
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Trying it out to see what's Happening's.

721
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: One eye bigger than the other?

722
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say maybe one's a little bit bigger.

723
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: They are framed by the drawn on eyelashes, which.

724
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: Are almost like a starburst, you know, blasting.

725
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Yes, she's got some she's got some eyebrows, that's for sure.

726
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: And then you know typical haunted doll dress, sort of velvety.

727
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: Victorian purple with lace.

728
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: But she's a Karen.

729
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: She looks uncomfortable that dress is it's too much on her?

730
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, she doesn't want to be doing any of this.

731
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Looks like she can't move.

732
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Based on these photos, I would say she does not

733
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: want to be posing for this photo. She does not

734
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: want to be in this dress, she does not want

735
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: to be wearing this wig. She It's very like when

736
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: your mom makes you do first communion or something and

737
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to. Okay, So here's the thing. She's

738
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: named Karen. Okay, she is as they would say, a Karen.

739
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 2: She's I mean, this is a classic Karen.

740
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: Now, the whole Karen phenomena. I think it got a

741
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: little played out. Oh, I mean, come on to me,

742
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: it's funny again. You think it's back. I think it's

743
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: funny again. I like to call I especially like to

744
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: call men Karen. Sure, but I think it's a little

745
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: bit funny to me. And I don't know what that

746
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: says about me, but I think it's slightly funny to

747
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: be like, stop being a Karen.

748
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: It feels like the Karen behavior has like it's shifted

749
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: in a way, or people who you would used to

750
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: call a Karen are now a different name. And I

751
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: don't know what the name is for that sort of

752
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: person anymore. But I feel like if you were to

753
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: call somebody a Karen now, they would have to have

754
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: a new attribute I evolved.

755
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: I like to say it like if someone's not doing

756
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: something too crazy, like if someone's like, hey, could you

757
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: not do that? And be like okay, Karen, Like I

758
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: think that's more fun? Do you like to call? I

759
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: like to turn it into a problem as a way

760
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: to provoke people. What were we gonna ask?

761
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you when Karen kind of became

762
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: the name for that sort of behavior, did you feel

763
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: like that was the name that we should be using

764
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: or was there like another white lady name that you

765
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: felt was closer to that sort.

766
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Of Hellen Helen. I don't know.

767
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: I feel like Christy, Oh, Christie, Christie sounds a little

768
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: nastier or something.

769
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I do feel bad for Karen's of course

770
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: that I have, you know, had to deal with that.

771
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.

772
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: What do you do? You just have to fight through it.

773
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 2: I mean, our friend Karen, she had a good sense

774
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: of humor, has absolutely embraced it. Yeah, yeah, I.

775
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Think I don't know. I don't know where she's at

776
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: with it nowadays.

777
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: It never seemed to affect her in any way. Yeah,

778
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: I think that if it does affect you you're kind

779
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: of a Karen.

780
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but that's so like gas lighty or something.

781
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, let's read about this Karen. It says, Meet Karen,

782
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: a spirited and mischievous doll. She's dressed in a stunning

783
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: purple dress. She is definitely a handful. I got her

784
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: from another collector who simply couldn't handle her anymore. Oh,

785
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: I keep burping, sorry because you gave me a La

786
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: Croy Giha. This is Giha being a Karen she has.

787
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm Christie to you.

788
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: My apologies to the Christie's out there. I know, I'm

789
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: sure good Christie's.

790
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Christi's are gonna be mad. Okay. I've had Karen for

791
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: about four years now, and she's been nothing short of

792
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: a whirlwind. The previous owner warned me about her antics.

793
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: Karen loves to play pranks, and sometimes they go a

794
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: little too far. She's loud, obnoxious, and always the life

795
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: of the party. Karen is a true party girl, and

796
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: she loves to be the center of attention. One of

797
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: her favorite tricks is to touch me when I least

798
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: expect it. That's the salt. I could be standing there

799
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: and suddenly I feel a light touch on my shoulder

800
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: or a whisper in my ear. She's also known to

801
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: visit my dreams, filling them with not so nice. Despite

802
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: numerous attempts to communicate with her through a Ouiji board's

803
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: spirit box and a cat ball, I still don't know

804
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: how she passed away. When she's on the spirit box,

805
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: the sound she makes are like she's trying to get

806
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: a message across, but it's always unclear. Karen loves to

807
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: flicker lights on and off, slam doors, and turn the

808
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: water on. Her presence is so active that I'm at

809
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: my wits end. I just can't handle this very active

810
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: spirit anymore, especially at my age. How old is this person?

811
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: Ninety five year old's? Their Evay account.

812
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: Is just keeping Karen away from your other vessels aka

813
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: haunted dolls, particularly the nicer female ones, as she tends

814
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: to stir up trouble.

815
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: Right, she's one of these classic women.

816
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: He's not a girl's girl. Yeah, she's not a dolls doll.

817
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: There's so much more to learn about Karen, and she

818
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: has a lot more to say and do. If you

819
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: think you can handle her, she's ready to bring her

820
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: unique brand of chaos into your home. Just be prepared

821
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: for a wild ride.

822
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: I would like to see this put on a dog

823
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: rescue the description of a dog up for adoption.

824
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: Seriously, they're very similar. And having spent a lot of

825
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: time looking at dog rescue websites and haunted dolls, they're close,

826
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: right they are, Yeah, for sure. They the people that

827
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: are selling these dolls treat these as if you're about

828
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: to welcome a new pet and a rescue. Yes, they do,

829
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: and sometimes they say adopt, are you would you like

830
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: to adopt this?

831
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: Adopt? Don't shop evil.

832
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Dolls, except you do have you have forty dollars for

833
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: this one?

834
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: Right right?

835
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: All right? That's Karen. You know what?

836
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: I just want to say. The one thing I noticed

837
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: about her face, the expression is I can't believe you're

838
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: getting on the elevator with me?

839
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

840
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: Because she feels like she's comfortable and surprised. That like,

841
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: this is the sort of feeling I get when I

842
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: walk onto an elevator and people are like, oh, I

843
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: thought I was going to be on here.

844
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: Alone because they farted.

845
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: No.

846
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: I think she's like, this is my little space, right, Yeah,

847
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: she definitely, how dare you? She does not look happy?

848
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand doll makers that make dolls

849
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: with horrible express look just physically uncomfortable. Seriously, like this

850
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: doll does not want to be there. No, And as always,

851
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: go to Instagram ghosted by Ras. Under the story highlight

852
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: called Dolls twenty twenty five, you'll see Karen can I

853
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: play some ghost voices? I love as it's time for

854
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: EVP or ev plase. Okay, these are both from the

855
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: same channel. It's called Chicago Land Halloween at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery.

856
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Bachelor's Grove.

857
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I know if you're a single ghost lady, this is

858
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: where you want to go singles ghost ship. Yes, so

859
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: somewhere in the cemetery. What is it saying Bridger lying?

860
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I mean I think that's very clear what

861
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: it's saying. You're lying. I think you're lying.

862
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good guess. I think you

863
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: are lying, is what it sounds like. Well that's not

864
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: what they thought. Oh, Chicago Land Halloween had a different interpretation.

865
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Did they think it was a are you my type? I mean, okay, okay, sure,

866
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: b review our lives? Does that even mean? C? Are

867
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: you alive? Or d F you I'm tired, okay.

868
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: And just to be clear, it said f you like

869
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: it was censoring itself.

870
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: Yes, f you, I'm tired. Okay. Now it's one of

871
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: those lying.

872
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: I mean, out of all of those knowing that it's

873
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: a bachelor or you might type, they believe it was

874
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: b review our lives, which feels like somebody that's welcoming

875
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: you to this kind of dating service of the graveyard,

876
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: like take a look at our stats or our favorite song,

877
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: or review review our lives, look at our signs and

878
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: everything and tell us if you're interested. Yes, so now

879
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: that we know it's review our lives, view.

880
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: Our lives, No, it is.

881
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: I think you are lying.

882
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: Wait one more time. I think you were like it's yeah.

883
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: And there's something very eagerie to me about a ghost

884
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: telling you knowing that you're lying to it that spooks me.

885
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: Because I feel like the belief is like ghosts know

886
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: the truth.

887
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

888
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: One more okay, same place. What is this one saying nothing?

889
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: Hang on? Is that really it's throwing up? The other

890
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: one was so clear.

891
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: The other one was talking, and this one is dry

892
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: heaving or something. And then I would say, I come

893
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: from nowhere.

894
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: A bad gass. Well do they think it was a

895
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: I wanted soup? Okay, B I'm Liz and I'm here

896
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: girl boss C I live in spirit.

897
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: I live in spirit?

898
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: Or d I don't like your parents.

899
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean I from the like the kind of vomit

900
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: feel from it. I'm going to say I wanted soup.

901
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of the the you know, you get food poison,

902
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: and you thought I should have gone for this other

903
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: thing and I wouldn't be sick right.

904
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: Now, I wanted soup. This shouldn't have happened in the

905
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: first place.

906
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: Right I got egg salad. Here we are.

907
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh God, that sounds so gross to me. They believe

908
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: it is. See, I live in spirit.

909
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: I live in spirit. These people have got to be

910
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: released from telling people what these they're bad at this.

911
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: Come on, I can hear it. Wait, it's I come

912
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: from nowhere. I live in spirit. I picture hands on

913
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: the head. I live in spirit.

914
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

915
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 1: That there is spirit? Now?

916
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: What a boring thing?

917
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: That's so obvious? Well, they just wanted you to know

918
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: I live in spirit.

919
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: Tell me something I don't know.

920
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: If you think that I'm still living you wrong.

921
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: Tell me you don't like my parents, tell me you

922
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: wanted soup.

923
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: Seriously, give me. Give me an anecdote, a little bit

924
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: of texture, a little texture from your a bachelor coloring.

925
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: Give it a little color.

926
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: You meet that guy for coffee and that's what he's

927
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: telling you.

928
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I live and spare it. Give me a break, Bridger,

929
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: that's it.

930
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: Little shame.

931
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: That was not bad.

932
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: I feel like we got to the bottom of a

933
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: lot of things.

934
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: We did.

935
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: You're totally unsatisfied.

936
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean now, I'm always like double check my facts

937
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to when we're talking about people dying

938
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: and things like that. But I'm pretty sure I got

939
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: things right.

940
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 2: I feel like it close enough. You know the story there,

941
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: You know, there are so many angles and there's so

942
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: many participants. There's so many news stories, right.

943
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing with this Tina story. I want

944
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: to focus on the paranormal part, but then there's this

945
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: whole other part.

946
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: I think she'd prefer you to focus on the paranorm.

947
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Probably, but the other part is not necessarily my right jurisdiction.

948
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it's another podcast.

949
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: So I I'm not used to covering things about the

950
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: trials and sentences and stuff like that. But if it's

951
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: a phone flying across someone's lap. That's me. I'm the

952
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: one to call to talk about that. Bridger, what do

953
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: you got going on?

954
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: I have my podcast? I said, no gifts of court.

955
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: You do.

956
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: You're on this network and you can go to Ice said,

957
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: no gifts Instagram. How do people look up on Instagram?

958
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: They go to where it's this search and they typed

959
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: it in and then they type it in.

960
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the easiest way to do it. Yeah,

961
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 2: of course, click accounts probably be the first thing.

962
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it.

963
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Roz has been an incredible guest.

964
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: You always have great guests. I feel very sad you

965
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: have coming up.

966
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: I know this week we have George Saveris from Stradio Lab.

967
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. We just had mutual friend Sam Pancake, one

968
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: of the funniest people alive.

969
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: Uh.

970
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: Just had Tom Sharpling.

971
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: Love Tom Sharps, a dear, He's amazing.

972
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Speaker 2: No, we have a good time and I'm just slowly

973
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: collecting items. It'spent five years.

974
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: People somehow always bring you a gift.

975
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: I have received at least two hundred and fifty items. Wow,

976
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: and I've started giving a few of them away. But

977
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: it is something I've kind of just given myself this curse.

978
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: Anything you can make money off of, not that.

979
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: I've noticed yet. I'd love for somebody to give me

980
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: something valuable, just one thing that I can put on

981
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: a bit haunted doll. That'd be interesting. Karen, Karen, somebody

982
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: buy me, Karen.

983
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Bridge Wide Girl. That was fun. Hey,

984
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: I'll see you all soon, ros Hernandez tour dot com

985
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you next week. I love you all,

986
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

987
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't me came by. This has been

988
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience

989
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes

990
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by

991
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM

992
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: or voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.

993
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me

994
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and

995
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the

996
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.

997
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the Eerie

998
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

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00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten.

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Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

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01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the terrifying

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the

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Speaker 1: Spooky Georgia Hard Start, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer