Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, let's you.
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Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. I heard
Speaker 1: radio one to eleven productions of season five, episode sixteen.
Speaker 1: So good talk.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would say it a little different. Let me
Speaker 3: give you a mind.
Speaker 1: What would you say?
Speaker 3: So good talk?
Speaker 4: It was worthy, so good talk for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. That's good. Queen Danielle, Queen Danielle.
Speaker 1: Tara, Tara, let's hear your version.
Speaker 5: I think it's close to Danielle's so good talk.
Speaker 3: That was not as good, Tara.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Queen Rains, have you taken over this podcast?
Speaker 3: I love the interview, will not? I love on Instagram
Speaker 3: they always are like Queen Danielle once again with the
Speaker 3: best line, Queen Danielle.
Speaker 5: Danielle's done no wrong on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Your husband, your husband's working overtime.
Speaker 3: Lies man John John. Her husband John has like fifty
Speaker 3: five Instagram handles so he can do all the He's
Speaker 3: listening to every.
Speaker 1: Episode so ef and boring, and he's so stupid. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I actually have a question. His opinions are
Speaker 1: so out of the norm.
Speaker 3: Has John, your husband ever listened to this podcast?
Speaker 4: No, he didn't even know. I'd talk on one's guy.
Speaker 1: He's busy creating new handles and saying queenness and do
Speaker 1: that and get rid of Scott. You know, can't it
Speaker 1: just be Daniel? Wait?
Speaker 5: Does he watch Gilmore Girls with you?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 5: No, of course not.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's good.
Speaker 1: So I got set up on the back end. I
Speaker 1: know what's going on here, so good talk.
Speaker 3: Actually, I do know a guy that went to college
Speaker 3: with me who's obsessed with Gilmore Girls, and I want
Speaker 3: to bring him on for we have a new thing coming.
Speaker 3: Everybody be ready. I don't want to announce it yet,
Speaker 3: but we have a new thing coming, and wouldn't he
Speaker 3: be good for that? You We have a new thing
Speaker 3: coming called You've been Gilmourd and you'll learn about it soon.
Speaker 1: Sounds thrilling?
Speaker 3: Would you know about it? You came up with.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm a bit reluctant to implement it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like my idea. Really, we had a.
Speaker 3: Text trail that was going so it was so long,
Speaker 3: and we were trying to brainstorm a title for this thing,
Speaker 3: and just one hundred ideas and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Scott's just like you've been Gilmourd and we're like, oh, okay, did.
Speaker 1: I that I don't recall that I had another I remember,
Speaker 1: didn't I have another idea that was.
Speaker 3: Like twenty terrible ones and then you change.
Speaker 1: It's a bad idea. We got to get that through the.
Speaker 4: One good one.
Speaker 3: Matters twenty horrendous ones and then one home run and
Speaker 3: we're like, I.
Speaker 1: Know what you guys, I'm gonna find that thread.
Speaker 2: Amy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Danielle, you do your synopsisizations. That's only you can
Speaker 1: do them, because you are the queen.
Speaker 4: All right, I give you a queen synopsis.
Speaker 1: This is season better now now, and now the pressure's on.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: This is season five, episode sixteen, So good Talk Air
Speaker 4: date March third, two thousand and five. When Richard and
Speaker 4: Emily returned from their Europe trip, Rory attends Friday night
Speaker 4: dinner without Lorlai, who refuses to speak to her mother
Speaker 4: and plans a girl's night out with Suki instead. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: Luke takes his anger out on his customers and Lane
Speaker 4: it's confused about Zach's intentions.
Speaker 3: Oh so good, I know what you don't like about it? Scott,
Speaker 3: which I won't say. I know you don't like.
Speaker 1: Tell me what I don't like.
Speaker 3: You don't like how angry and rude you were to
Speaker 3: your customers because you would never have actually done that.
Speaker 3: You maybe would have been rousing. You never would have
Speaker 3: cooked terrible food. You never would have cooked terrible thing. Wrong.
Speaker 1: Loved it? You know why?
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a guess.
Speaker 5: The way that Rory treated Emily.
Speaker 1: Emily, Okay, wrong, Sorry, that's going to get annoying.
Speaker 3: No, it's good.
Speaker 4: At the end.
Speaker 3: That was a thousand out of ten. I loved it
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: That's loved it.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling it wasn't it wasn't the bad food.
Speaker 1: No, okay, well that was genius. That was genius because
Speaker 1: Seawan Gun's there loving the steak when it.
Speaker 5: Was like hash.
Speaker 1: That was some of the funniest Seawan Gun stuff I
Speaker 1: have ever seen, especially when he's pressed pressed up against
Speaker 1: the glass outside watching them.
Speaker 3: So what did you not like? This episode is a
Speaker 3: ten out of ten?
Speaker 1: We're not rating it yet. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: What What did you not like?
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying until in the middle
Speaker 1: of this podcast. I am going to hold it.
Speaker 3: In do you like the mailman in shorts?
Speaker 1: I don't remember a mailman.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Of course, mailmen in shorts in the hot weather. Of
Speaker 1: course you've got to have mailmen in shorts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was skip and right now I fully relate
Speaker 3: because I'm wearing nothing but shorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, I mean it's ninety six degrees here
Speaker 1: every day, every single day.
Speaker 3: I was in Auburn, California yesterday, shout out to Auburn
Speaker 3: one oh five. Anybody going to Arizona soon eighteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to Texas. I'm going. I'm going to
Speaker 1: Texas American Bank Center.
Speaker 3: You're gonna Wapus.
Speaker 1: Christy Comic Con July twenty eight through thirtieth. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a hot one, So come into the best
Speaker 1: air conditioning system in the entire Southwest.
Speaker 3: Just be careful when you touch like a gate, because
Speaker 3: one time I was in one eighteen weather and I
Speaker 3: touched like a fence and you can get like a burn.
Speaker 1: Well, you're not going to touch a fence outside.
Speaker 3: Well, how do you get into your pool? I had
Speaker 3: to get into a pool gate.
Speaker 1: You got to wear the sun gloves. You need sun gloves.
Speaker 5: Sun gloves let me just whip out my sun gloves.
Speaker 1: Do you any sun gloves?
Speaker 3: Su gloves?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You never saw the infomercial? Oh we bought a whole
Speaker 1: cred of them.
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 5: What is sun glove?
Speaker 1: The guy that sells the gorilla glow or the glow
Speaker 1: the glue pill fill something with the glow and he's like,
Speaker 1: he'll do a boat and it won't sink because of
Speaker 1: the glow. Oh my god, sun gloves. Yeah. Anyway, where
Speaker 1: did Daniel goo? I don't know.
Speaker 3: She must maybe she know she is pregnant. She might
Speaker 3: be going potty, but we can start without her. We
Speaker 3: can still, good to know.
Speaker 1: I like the detail of that answer, anyway. So let's
Speaker 1: get into this. It was in a very, very very
Speaker 1: good episode. But I do have some bones to pick
Speaker 1: with it, all right.
Speaker 3: Well we'll get to those, all right. So we start
Speaker 3: with the We start with the open with the mailman
Speaker 3: in shorts, and then Lorlai calls Rory, and I immediately
Speaker 3: noticed Rory's hair was sort of hipper. She looked a
Speaker 3: little older but a little bit more hip. I don't
Speaker 3: know how to explain it. Did anyone notice that?
Speaker 5: I feel like it was just this episode too, me too.
Speaker 3: It just came out of nowhere. I don't see if
Speaker 3: it's continues. Yeah, I noticed that she had a very
Speaker 3: cute boat sweater.
Speaker 1: Well her hair was longer, right, well it was like.
Speaker 3: A little longer. It just was a little bit more adult.
Speaker 3: I don't know. And we sort of learned right out
Speaker 3: the gate that she doesn't have any money because she
Speaker 3: doesn't want her calling her cell phone. And we also
Speaker 3: learned that Grandma Emily, her grandmother, has been sending postcards
Speaker 3: from their trip.
Speaker 1: M wow, yeah Emily, Yeah, it's a doozy Emily getting
Speaker 1: a face full of rory tell you that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna get to that. So first we go
Speaker 3: to the diner and we realized that Luke is mad.
Speaker 3: I actually called him a bit crazy. So will you
Speaker 3: analyze that you loved it.
Speaker 1: That's not crazy that she just you just miss your girl,
Speaker 1: You need your girl. You've got some plumbing issues, things
Speaker 1: are a little backed up, and you're real ornery.
Speaker 3: Let's take a moment to also acknowledge last week's line
Speaker 3: that we did talk about that everyone was commenting on
Speaker 3: with Logan when he climbed in the window. So sometimes
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls does it gives a nod to that. So Scott, continue,
Speaker 3: what am I continuing on your performance in the Diner?
Speaker 1: I just spelled it out. I mean, you know he
Speaker 1: misses this woman. Man, he's not in a great mood.
Speaker 3: No, he's physically throwing people out. And then he like
Speaker 3: the guy's like, I ordered my omelet soft, We're gonna
Speaker 3: have to redo it. And then you just say.
Speaker 4: The black ocasion brand is the.
Speaker 3: Whole thing, and that the bacon was.
Speaker 5: Gross.
Speaker 3: He's a lot of sorts and Kirk loves it. I
Speaker 3: do agree with you that Kirk was Seawan Gun was amazing,
Speaker 3: really really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he was the he was the comic relief.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually sort of balances out those scenes because
Speaker 3: you're so mad, really mad. Suddenly you've gotten really mad,
Speaker 3: and he's sort of like, oh, I love everything.
Speaker 1: The funniest stuff that Sean has ever been given to do,
Speaker 1: other than the those black and white movies. The film
Speaker 1: by Kirk, Film by Kirk's a classic top of the
Speaker 1: food Kirk, this stuff was right up there. This was
Speaker 1: right up there. He was set up beautifully for all
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 3: How's everyone else's eggs?
Speaker 1: Huh? Okay, So to do because you can just let
Speaker 1: it fly and you know, no matter how big it gets,
Speaker 1: you're protected. But it's not going to be you know
Speaker 1: that everybody's going to understand. And then you got Kirk there,
Speaker 1: you know, catching your while you're falling and lightening everything up.
Speaker 1: So it's it's really fun to do that stuff because
Speaker 1: you get the actual laugh in real time because when
Speaker 1: you're filming it, it's funny and a lot of that
Speaker 1: and a lot I remember doing a lot of those
Speaker 1: lines and then blowing the lines because Kirk would say
Speaker 1: one of his lines and everybody would crack up, and
Speaker 1: then it would be like, cud gotta do it again,
Speaker 1: Scott trying not to laugh, and I'm like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: Kirk's really She's really funny, you know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't it like hash browns, but it was just
Speaker 3: it looked like a pile of worms or brains or something.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: All right. So then we switch over to Lorli at
Speaker 3: the end and Suki and Lorelei are talking and Suki
Speaker 3: wants to start planning the menu for like months when
Speaker 3: she has the baby. The fires going. It was a nice,
Speaker 3: nice scene and I think we get sort of a
Speaker 3: little glimpse that Blaine. She's on the phone with Blaine,
Speaker 3: the insurance guy, and so she keeps getting disconnected. So
Speaker 3: we learn there's some sort of an insurance issue, which
Speaker 3: is important sprinkling because of later with Richard.
Speaker 1: It was a good scene. It felt good to see
Speaker 1: father and daughter smiling at each other, being happy in
Speaker 1: each other's presence. They're making plans to move on. He's
Speaker 1: going to make her life better. She's happy about it.
Speaker 1: You know he's doing he's being a dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I get to see him being a real dad with
Speaker 1: her a lot. I mean he did it when when
Speaker 1: he tried to help her and she was the secretary
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Yeah, this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But it's nice seeing that, you know.
Speaker 4: I get to see that they work well together. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know, we're removing Emily like like she is very
Speaker 4: connected to Richard, like Rory is too in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I feel like for him, he's he's more
Speaker 5: connected to her when it's something he knows about, like insurance,
Speaker 5: Like he's like, oh, I can help you, like be
Speaker 5: like the dad that because Laurla doesn't asked for help ever.
Speaker 5: So it's finally something that he can like do with
Speaker 5: her and be a part of her life and help
Speaker 5: with the insurance of and and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll get we'll get to the scene too
Speaker 3: when he comes to the inn. But all the relationship
Speaker 3: between Richard and and lour Lai is so perfect and amazing,
Speaker 3: and I love it in this episode because you really
Speaker 3: feel their connection and their bond and it's it's healthier.
Speaker 3: So this is where I did laugh out loud every
Speaker 3: time she hangs up on Emily up. And then Richard
Speaker 3: called and she's.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, hey, how's the vacation chatting?
Speaker 3: And then oh, your mother wants to talk to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no good, And then she talks about how oh
Speaker 7: she talks about how she's gonna watch a star is
Speaker 7: born and that she likes to be a couch potato,
Speaker 7: and then sort of we hear Suki's like, Suki is like,
Speaker 7: no way, I gotta go out for a girl's night.
Speaker 3: We're gonna look hot and blah blah blah. So you're
Speaker 3: getting set up for like the episode. So then we
Speaker 3: go get into the coffee cart and Rory wants her
Speaker 3: you know, carmel machiato, and we learned she has no money.
Speaker 5: She goes taking things off.
Speaker 2: Can I have a.
Speaker 3: Cup once again? Haters come on out. I adore Logan.
Speaker 3: I think he is amazing in every scene he's in.
Speaker 3: I love them together. I love that she sort of
Speaker 3: has this for once, she sort of has the boyfriend
Speaker 3: that rescues her. And maybe people can like hate me
Speaker 3: for that, but he's there, he is, and he's like
Speaker 3: gonna pay for her coffee, and they're so cute, and
Speaker 3: he says, Ace, I can't take a chance to be
Speaker 3: pulling out that purse again and someone getting hurt. Like,
Speaker 3: it's just I love it.
Speaker 1: He's a He's a young Robert Redford. He's a young
Speaker 1: Robert Redford in the way we were confident, cocky, yeah,
Speaker 1: ruth smart ahead of the game, got it all under control.
Speaker 1: It's really appealing. You don't see characters that like that anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, hates unique in that sense.
Speaker 3: I agree, Like, I don't know, Taro Daniel, do either
Speaker 3: of you hate him because there's so many people that
Speaker 3: hate him and find him so repelling when I'm like,
Speaker 3: I love this guy.
Speaker 5: I think there are moments that I don't like, but
Speaker 5: for the most part, I do see the charm in
Speaker 5: him and what Rory sees in him, and like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's nice that like he comes and pays for
Speaker 5: her coffee or something like that. Like you're right, like
Speaker 5: someone's taking care of her in a sense. But I
Speaker 5: do see where people don't like him from certain scenes
Speaker 5: the way he acts. But I go back and forth.
Speaker 3: And it's so cute. He pulls her over the corner
Speaker 3: and they kiss and she's like, no people will see,
Speaker 3: and he's like, I don't care, Like he's so happy
Speaker 3: with her. And I love their sort of like banter
Speaker 3: about the paper and I think they're having that little
Speaker 3: argument about Hemingway and it's so cute and she's so
Speaker 3: comfortable and she's like, hey, thanks for the coffee, Like
Speaker 3: it's just so cute.
Speaker 4: They definitely have really good chemistry, Like you have to
Speaker 4: give him that, Like, they definitely have that. The thing
Speaker 4: that I'm just like, as a first time watcher that
Speaker 4: I'm confused about is and maybe it's just the progression
Speaker 4: of the relationship and everyone says this in the beginning,
Speaker 4: but he does not want anything, but he also doesn't
Speaker 4: care that people see. So I'm kind of like, what
Speaker 4: does that mean?
Speaker 1: It means I think he looks like he's in love.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think he's fall he's definitely.
Speaker 3: I think his whole like I can't be serious, is
Speaker 3: just a way to protect himself at this point, like
Speaker 3: we'll see how.
Speaker 1: Determined.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he's just protecting himself and trying to protect
Speaker 3: her from him and the way he can be. So
Speaker 3: he likes her and he cares about her. So he's
Speaker 3: saying he basically is saying like, I can be a
Speaker 3: jerk and I don't want to hurt you, and she's saying,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna hurt me. I'm cool with it, even
Speaker 3: though both of them are full of doodoo.
Speaker 1: Has fallen. Yeah, yeah, he's he knows that she might
Speaker 1: have the ability to bring him down and make him
Speaker 1: an honest man.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yes, So the only flag I had on the place?
Speaker 3: Did he call it a cute meat? When isn't it
Speaker 3: called a meat cute?
Speaker 5: I think it's a meat cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think he said cute meat. Somebody needs
Speaker 3: to go back.
Speaker 4: Let me find out.
Speaker 3: I have the script up actually, thank you, and see if.
Speaker 4: He said that said cute meat, this would definitely qualify
Speaker 4: as a cute meat if we hadn't already met right,
Speaker 4: and isn't it.
Speaker 5: A meat cute Yeah?
Speaker 3: So anyway, that's why Scott didn't like.
Speaker 5: It was a mess up of Scott meet cues.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it okay. So then we go over to
Speaker 3: Laura lies and Rory's bringing like four hundred bags of laundry.
Speaker 3: And we also thought that it's spring break, which was
Speaker 3: anybody else shocked by that? I'm like, how was it?
Speaker 4: Because we were just we just had like it was
Speaker 4: just cold.
Speaker 3: What kind of Christmas?
Speaker 5: Oh do we not do Christmas? Episode?
Speaker 3: Sudden it's spring break?
Speaker 1: M hm? Interesting?
Speaker 3: When did this air again? Danielle, Sorry, should have paid
Speaker 3: more attention to your mark in March.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right because last week they were wearing scarves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is going skiing, which is fine, people
Speaker 3: go skiing for spring break. But anyway, yeah, some.
Speaker 4: People have spring break in like late February early March.
Speaker 1: They just they're just blowing through the winter. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: a budget thing because winter winter outdoor dressing is expensive.
Speaker 3: It's in all the that snow or those bubbles or
Speaker 3: paper that all those little papers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's expensive.
Speaker 3: So we're in the kitchen and laurel Lize's outfit was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: She's wearing that turquoise blazer with the brooch, and then
Speaker 3: she's she knows that now that Rory needs money, so
Speaker 3: she's helping her get a job, which I thought was
Speaker 3: super cute. There's a twenty on the fridge, so Rory's
Speaker 3: sort of home for spring break and she's gonna gonna sorry,
Speaker 3: that's terrible, going to work. So she gets a job
Speaker 3: at the bookstore, so that that was cute, and she's
Speaker 3: off to Friday night dinner, which oh boy.
Speaker 4: In laural Lize clothes.
Speaker 3: Oh right, because yeah, so I mean right from the
Speaker 3: minute the doorbell rings, it was rough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy though, because, like I think, I think
Speaker 4: we wouldn't have gotten the end of this episode, which
Speaker 4: we'll talk about later. We wouldn't have gotten it if
Speaker 4: Rory was didn't stand up to em great point.
Speaker 5: I think Lorlai hanging up meant nothing to Emily. It's
Speaker 5: coming from Rory.
Speaker 4: Real, she's dealt with that first since Laura I was
Speaker 4: a teenager, you know.
Speaker 5: Really coming from coming from Rory means it's a completely
Speaker 5: different meaning behind what she did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a little the threat like of her
Speaker 4: not having a relationship with Rory because.
Speaker 3: She's so awful to Laura, which has always been her
Speaker 3: biggest fear, losing them both, but losing Rory. I just
Speaker 3: don't know how she didn't no, Like, what would it
Speaker 3: go through Emily's mind? Like does she have amnesia that
Speaker 3: she doesn't realize what she did was so bad? Lorla
Speaker 3: obviously knows what she did. Why would she not be like,
Speaker 3: let's talk about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, only it's in Emily's nature to talk about it.
Speaker 4: Like she made her stance known, and she's kind of
Speaker 4: that person that's like, I'm going to get what I
Speaker 4: want to get and.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Well maybe she just yeah, but maybe she just
Speaker 1: thinks that they're still that Christopher and Laurla. I haven't
Speaker 1: really had a chance to, you know, be together as
Speaker 1: a family, and she wants that more than anything, and
Speaker 1: she'll do anything to get it because she sees the
Speaker 1: chemistry between them, she sees the caring between them, and
Speaker 1: maybe she just thought, you know, this guy obviously doesn't
Speaker 1: have the backbone required, so he's going to need a push.
Speaker 1: So I'll give him a push and see if I
Speaker 1: can make something happen because I think it's going to
Speaker 1: end up being much better for laurele I and Rory
Speaker 1: because that's.
Speaker 3: Her dad, right, right, that's.
Speaker 1: A heavy responsibility, you know.
Speaker 4: It's like, let's say, with somebody that was in that
Speaker 4: affluent community though and not right, like, would she still
Speaker 4: push Christopher on Lorelai if it's like the logan of
Speaker 4: Lareal's age.
Speaker 1: I'll admit it's probably. Uh, you know, Luke to her
Speaker 1: is radioactive because of his social class. There's no question
Speaker 1: about it. So, and that's why it's such a stark choice.
Speaker 1: And that's why Emily doesn't really understand it. She can't
Speaker 1: understand it. She can't fathom why somebody with her DNA
Speaker 1: and Richard's DNA is in love with Luke and thinks
Speaker 1: that that is a good idea. She just can't accept
Speaker 1: the fact that Lorelei has left the nest and isn't
Speaker 1: like them and doesn't want to be like them. She
Speaker 1: doesn't understand who Laurla is, what she has become, maybe
Speaker 1: what she never was, right, you know.
Speaker 3: So my question for you, I would love to hear
Speaker 3: your perspective. Do you think that Emily wants it to
Speaker 3: be Christopher one, because he's fancy and he comes from
Speaker 3: the right, you know family, and she is Rory's father.
Speaker 3: Or do you think Emily just wants it to be
Speaker 3: somebody of the right caliber and if that was Digger,
Speaker 3: she would have gone to Digger and go get your girl,
Speaker 3: or if it was you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think that has I think that has a
Speaker 1: lot a large percentage of it is that.
Speaker 3: And she's just able to go manipulate Christopher because she
Speaker 3: has that relationship with him, unlike Digger or somebody else.
Speaker 1: She wants to go to the country club with all
Speaker 1: of them, and the parents sit around and act superior,
Speaker 1: and you know, everybody's fine, and you know, Christopher's a
Speaker 1: mess again and he's drinking again, and he's got a mistress,
Speaker 1: but who cares. They're all still together and nobody knows yet,
Speaker 1: and you know, they just want to keep their mess on,
Speaker 1: you know, in the upper classes and deal with them
Speaker 1: as they come. They don't want anybody defecting.
Speaker 3: So here's my other question for all that.
Speaker 1: But I think I think Richard and Emily are really
Speaker 1: embarrassed by this, you know, socially speaking, like your daughter
Speaker 1: is like, oh, well, that's Richard and Emily Laurel I
Speaker 1: she's dating a guy who owns a owns a diner
Speaker 1: or something and Stars it's laughable.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's only that. I think they're
Speaker 3: sort of like horrified that their fancy daughter has moved
Speaker 3: to stars Hollow and you know, doesn't live in a
Speaker 3: fancy house and drives her ten year old jeep, and
Speaker 3: that she isn't fancy and doesn't want to be fancy.
Speaker 3: I think that kind of really is troubling to them.
Speaker 1: Maybe we have hit upon one of the main tensions
Speaker 1: of the show. Maybe.
Speaker 5: Also, do you think it's both Emily. Do you think
Speaker 5: it's Emily and Richard or do you think it's mainly Emily,
Speaker 5: because I think it's mainly Emily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, d Richard goes along with it, but I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if Emily. If Emily was all in with Luke,
Speaker 3: so would Richard be. Yeah, he kind of goes along.
Speaker 3: That's why I was going to ask you guys this too.
Speaker 3: There's something I love about Rory and Richard getting along
Speaker 3: so well. But I do feel a little bit bad
Speaker 3: for Emily. I can't help it. Like in this scene,
Speaker 3: I'm sort of like poor thing she's trying so hard
Speaker 3: and this is just oh pa.
Speaker 5: I kind of liked that. I kind of like that.
Speaker 5: Richard just didn't like acknowledge that, like he was getting
Speaker 5: the attention and not Emily, like he loved it and
Speaker 5: he was. He didn't say anything about the way Rory
Speaker 5: treated Emily at all. So that's why I think he does.
Speaker 3: He calls lore light and calls it out, but then
Speaker 3: it switches.
Speaker 5: But even at I mean, I don't want to jump
Speaker 5: too far ahead, but even at the dinner, like he
Speaker 5: he was kind of defending Rory in a sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wanted Emily to like pipe down kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, we'll get to that. So then it and
Speaker 3: it switches then to uh, Suki picks up Lorelei and
Speaker 3: they're talking about where they should go. Let's go dancing.
Speaker 3: Oh I can't really dance. Let's go to a bar.
Speaker 3: I can't really drink, And so they just end up
Speaker 3: watching movies at home, which actually sounded better to me
Speaker 3: than any of those other options.
Speaker 1: Danielle, would you want to go dancing?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: It was like kind of the same as Suki. I
Speaker 3: think you guys are equally.
Speaker 1: Along, kind of a bizarre suggestion on the moralized bart.
Speaker 1: Given her best friend is pregnant dancing, Let's go to
Speaker 1: a bar and go dancing.
Speaker 3: Okay, So then we go back to the Friday night
Speaker 3: dinner and this is where it really it got ugly.
Speaker 3: It's like she won't even look at her grandmother when
Speaker 3: she hands or the strawberries and then it explodes. So
Speaker 3: Emily is sort of mouthing to Richard do something, like
Speaker 3: do something. So then Richard sort of says, like, what
Speaker 3: do you want to tell us? Like you got you
Speaker 3: need if there's something on your mind, and then it's
Speaker 3: just explosion and you're right, Tara, Richard said, Emily, please, Like.
Speaker 1: It's just the difference between Lorale and Rory are very
Speaker 1: good at chaos and they're very good at a mess
Speaker 1: and they don't panic. They figure it out. Their whole
Speaker 1: DNA is we're gonna get through this, We're gonna work
Speaker 1: it out. We're gonna figure it out, and it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: And Laura I has done that h Rory's whole life.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get you to the private school and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you to Harvard or Yale, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna in a way, you know, Laura, I
Speaker 1: truly is in a sense a surrogate. Emily's surrogate, like
Speaker 1: lifting up Rory to the point where you get on
Speaker 1: the path that I was on and don't screw it
Speaker 1: up the way I screwed it up. But the problem
Speaker 1: with Emily and Richard is they don't do chaos and
Speaker 1: they don't do mess. They don't know how to handle.
Speaker 3: It right, whereas Laura.
Speaker 1: So there's so much more resilient than than than those
Speaker 1: than Emily and Richard.
Speaker 3: That's right. They'll they'll they'll figure it out, the two
Speaker 3: of them, Rory and Laurai will figure it out. And
Speaker 3: they don't mind chaos, they don't mind a mess. They
Speaker 3: don't mind kind of like being scrappy.
Speaker 1: They kind of prefer it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why I think Emily expected Rory to
Speaker 3: behave because that's what one does kind of. And so
Speaker 3: even though she Emily did the thing wrong, she really
Speaker 3: thought that Rory would just come over with a smile
Speaker 3: on her face because they have a contract, which that
Speaker 3: was kind of right.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's what bugged me. The contract that really bugged
Speaker 5: me because it's like, no, it wasn't you even said
Speaker 5: before that, like Emily said, we want to help you
Speaker 5: go through school, there was back then. There was never
Speaker 5: an agreement a contract. I did like Rory's response, she said,
Speaker 5: there was no agreement on how I act. The agreement
Speaker 5: wasn't I show up here every Friday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was surprised by how much Rory stood up to Emily.
Speaker 1: You know, she like really like contract law. She was like,
Speaker 1: go through the contract that. It doesn't matter what your
Speaker 1: social mores are, it doesn't matter what the expectations are
Speaker 1: in the upper classes. It's not in the contract, so
Speaker 1: I'm not bound by it. It's hysterically.
Speaker 3: I just know.
Speaker 4: Also how much Richard is thriving in this episode, Like
Speaker 4: he is like milking it, not milking it, but he
Speaker 4: kind of is milking it.
Speaker 3: He's so thrilled they just love yeah, and he's sort
Speaker 3: of the peacemaker and yeah, but I think you're right
Speaker 3: deep down, he's just thrilled that they both are. They
Speaker 3: both like are getting along with him, love him, and
Speaker 3: like why would too if I was Richard? He's like,
Speaker 3: why would I complain about this? And I thought we'll
Speaker 3: get to it. But I thought his sort of argument
Speaker 3: to Emily about it was a pretty good argument, Like
Speaker 3: he kind of sort of tricked her by saying, I
Speaker 3: won't go as far as saying he gas litter, but
Speaker 3: he tricked her a little bit by saying, I can't
Speaker 3: be on your side because athletes, if I'm on their
Speaker 3: side and having a relationship with them, one of us
Speaker 3: does and we have a much better chance of working
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 1: So like the Plumbacay one on one, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a great line in the kitchen, you're the because you're
Speaker 1: the favorite, and she hit that line so great. I mean,
Speaker 1: she just nailed that line.
Speaker 3: So then we go to Weston's and we realized that
Speaker 3: Laura Lia's at Weston's all the time, and Rory sort
Speaker 3: of reveals that there was yelling at the dinner and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But then we have the big talk
Speaker 3: where Sukie falls asleep and Rory pulls Lorli aside to
Speaker 3: tell her that she's started something with Logan and she
Speaker 3: talks about she loves him. She's like, he's beautiful, he's smart,
Speaker 3: he's great, And Laurlai does say she doesn't care that
Speaker 3: he's rich.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't it funny? So make believe world where
Speaker 1: they just leave their pregnant friend who's exhausted. He falls
Speaker 1: asleep in her own hands, just leaves the table, so
Speaker 1: her head conks on the still sleep. Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: get away from her.
Speaker 3: So why wouldn't they just have the chat in front
Speaker 3: of her?
Speaker 1: She's asleep, but like, get her home. You know, she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: For God's sake, we're going to take you home. Just
Speaker 1: leave her.
Speaker 3: So I love it also that I thought the most
Speaker 3: important thing of that whole conversation is it Rory says,
Speaker 3: I'm having fun, And I thought, you know what, that's
Speaker 3: really important. Like she hasn't ever really had a relationship
Speaker 3: that's just fun. Their relationships and they're deep and they're important,
Speaker 3: but they this one is fun. She's having a full
Speaker 3: college experience.
Speaker 1: She never Jess was always it was always intense, yeah
Speaker 1: and deep, yeah, troubling, and Dean was always kind of
Speaker 1: like super sweet. Ah, here's another kitten, thank you.
Speaker 5: But I mean, here's a car.
Speaker 1: And right, here's a car. You built me a car.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so overwhelming, you know, but is that fun?
Speaker 3: But it was, it was sweet and it was cute
Speaker 3: and it was like, but it wasn't that was it fun?
Speaker 4: She's never had adrenaline in any of her relationships before.
Speaker 4: This has adrenaline, This has spark, it has chemistry, it
Speaker 4: has this like.
Speaker 1: But it's got banter, it's got you got a guy
Speaker 1: who canter can keep up with her, and then sort
Speaker 1: of remain mysterious and aloof.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said he's smart. He's as smart as she is.
Speaker 3: She says, like he's as smart as she is, if
Speaker 3: not smarter, and then we get the line so good
Speaker 3: and then rumble first of all, as I ever had
Speaker 3: a rumball? That seems kind of is it? What is it?
Speaker 5: Like a doughnut hole?
Speaker 3: What is a rumball?
Speaker 1: No idea, no one they put anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do have a question though. Do you think
Speaker 5: Lorelai was uncomfortable with Rory telling her about Logan?
Speaker 1: Probably? I mean that's how she played it, right, I
Speaker 1: mean she seemed to.
Speaker 5: That's how I took it. I just don't know if
Speaker 5: anyone took it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: I kind of think you're right. I think you're right because.
Speaker 5: The way she prefaced it, like I didn't tell you
Speaker 5: what was happening with Dean before it happened, but now
Speaker 5: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: And so good talk means like you know this because yeah, comfortable, and.
Speaker 3: She changed the subject, right, that's the thank you for sharing.
Speaker 3: So then we do get the scene I love so
Speaker 3: laurlies walking and Richard calls and at first he sort
Speaker 3: of upse set you know, like you should set an example,
Speaker 3: and you know you need to tell Rory you know what,
Speaker 3: that she shouldn't do this, and blah blah blah, and
Speaker 3: Laura I really kind of tells Richard what's really going on,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden we just pivot to
Speaker 3: the insurance issue and he's just so pleased. Wait, you're
Speaker 3: asking me for my help and she's like yeah, and
Speaker 3: he's so happy. H I loved it.
Speaker 4: I did too. I just love them too together, Like
Speaker 4: I like Richard and Rory. You know, it's it's just
Speaker 4: always a good scene when they're on when they're together.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were, Yeah, they were both lighting it up,
Speaker 1: both smiling. Yeah, going great.
Speaker 3: She stumbles upon the boat and I loved her monologue
Speaker 3: to the like the ticket person, like the She's like good.
Speaker 3: And then we go back and Kirk is still just
Speaker 3: enjoying the gross food and Lane has no glasses on.
Speaker 3: She's sort of now going back and forth with the
Speaker 3: no glasses and the glasses. She wears the glasses on
Speaker 3: her date with Zach, but no glasses, And.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's like a purposeful thing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Like Lane is still a kid, but she's also an adult,
Speaker 4: and you know, like that kind of plays out a
Speaker 4: little bit in this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love when you huck the wet towel at
Speaker 3: him and her goes, oh, a cloth napkin and the
Speaker 3: moist toot so good. Oh. And then Lane brings Rory
Speaker 3: the burger at the bookstore and it's like disgusting.
Speaker 5: Also Lane warning the customer and she turns around like
Speaker 5: told you hurled out.
Speaker 3: It's all. It's actually very amusing. So then we get through.
Speaker 1: That guy out. Good man, he's strong.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, did you have to actually pick
Speaker 4: up that guy or like how does that?
Speaker 3: Like geez stumbled up. I'm a little hard.
Speaker 1: He took his own cue. He's pro priably a professional
Speaker 1: stunt guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think both those guys that you threw out.
Speaker 1: Just to do that because he had on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Rory says poor sad Luke and Lane says, poor sad
Speaker 3: tips like yeah. So then uh, we find out that
Speaker 3: Zach's going to cook dinner. So that's cute because I
Speaker 3: think Rory wanted plans. And then we learned that she's
Speaker 3: got a date with Zach, and then we go to
Speaker 3: the inn and we have sort of a brief exchange
Speaker 3: between Suki and Lorely, and then Richard comes in with Philip,
Speaker 3: and that was so cute. He's going to help her
Speaker 3: with her policy and he's so happy about how well
Speaker 3: she's doing at the inn, and she says he's a
Speaker 3: lifesaver and the scones smell heavenly and it was just
Speaker 3: like a hole. He just said, you've done a wonderful
Speaker 3: job here, and it's just so great.
Speaker 4: It's like all the things Lorla wants, you know, validation
Speaker 4: from her parents, and he's giving it to her here.
Speaker 4: And you can just tell how happy it makes her.
Speaker 1: Make anybody happy, you know, yeah, your parents being proud
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 5: It's not about her making money, because she doesn't want
Speaker 5: to sell the end like it's about her. She loves
Speaker 5: that in so I think that.
Speaker 3: She received that so well where she she was appreciative
Speaker 3: of him saying that without being offended by it. Where
Speaker 3: I think had Emily said the exact same thing, it
Speaker 3: would have erupted into some big brawl. Instead, she was
Speaker 3: so grateful for that and kind of and he was,
Speaker 3: and then he was so receptive to her, saying I
Speaker 3: don't want to sell.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm hmm. Yeah, it's interesting. I was reading something
Speaker 1: about you know how you raise your children and for
Speaker 1: every reprimand you know, you should give them five compliments. Interesting,
Speaker 1: or if you make a mistake and get angry and
Speaker 1: appropriate whatever, it takes five compliments to erase that. You know.
Speaker 1: They did some studies over a thirty.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, and I just it's just I
Speaker 1: just thought of how many compliments Emily would have to
Speaker 1: give Laurel rehabilitate that relationship. It would take seven seasons
Speaker 1: just of Emily complimenting, and.
Speaker 3: Like any daughter does, Laura is always going back and
Speaker 3: giving her another shot, and then Emily blows it again.
Speaker 3: So it's just like I think the problem for Emily
Speaker 3: is she can't take the path that Laurel I wants.
Speaker 3: She's always trying to control, control, control, it's rough, whereas
Speaker 3: Richard I just think is less.
Speaker 1: Control and it's and it's ineffective and it produces the
Speaker 1: opposite result. That's right, She's getting the opposite of what
Speaker 1: she wants.
Speaker 4: He's giving insight. Like even with Luke, Like what Richard
Speaker 4: did with Luke was so different than what Emily did
Speaker 4: with That's right, you know, with like, hey, let me
Speaker 4: help you franchise. Are you interested in that? You know,
Speaker 4: like trying to like yeah, versus Emily is like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna bring Christopher back in the picture because she's.
Speaker 3: Mean, she can be mean, and Richard's rarely mean.
Speaker 1: M m.
Speaker 4: It's also a delivery thing. Like I think with Richard,
Speaker 4: he is understanding and hears and listens, Versus Emily's like,
Speaker 4: you need to do this and this only otherwise you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: My way or the highway kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It is interesting, right, Richard's really never been, as we
Speaker 1: have seen, and correct me if I'm wrong, proactive in
Speaker 1: luring Laurel I back into the family fold. It's always
Speaker 1: he's taken second fiddle to Emily, right m hm. Because
Speaker 1: he's busy, he's traveling, he's working. It's it's something he's
Speaker 1: given up on. He's he's heartbroken about it, but he's
Speaker 1: got over it and now he's just living his life
Speaker 1: with his wife. Right.
Speaker 4: The only thing I will say that like from my
Speaker 4: recent recollection is the whole Digger situation was a a
Speaker 4: thing that Richard did that was kind of rough, but
Speaker 4: he sort.
Speaker 3: Of did it for the quote right reasons and that
Speaker 3: he was going to be screwed. His his nest egg
Speaker 3: was going to be screwed. So he just did what
Speaker 3: he needed to do. And if if Digger was shrapnel
Speaker 3: in that, he was like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You know what, Digger set himself up for that to
Speaker 1: come to a guy with the level of experience that
Speaker 1: Richard has, you know you you had if you don't
Speaker 1: know that you're the one getting played, hmmm, because Tigger
Speaker 1: just set himself up. I mean it was it was
Speaker 1: kind of obvious. That's very true that he was just
Speaker 1: going to get used. You know, he entered a very
Speaker 1: very precarious position when he leaves his father and he
Speaker 1: betrays his own father and he comes to Richard with
Speaker 1: all that information. It's like Richard was just like licking
Speaker 1: his chops, right, you are giving me a pathway back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a messy, messy, but.
Speaker 1: It was kind of brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, Richard was very he handled it very very sharp.
Speaker 1: Cookie. He's a strategic guy, you know, wow.
Speaker 3: And business is business. He needed to do what was
Speaker 3: right for his business.
Speaker 1: He didn't get mad, he got even Yeah, and he won.
Speaker 3: So and Digger came back anyway, and Lauralai kind of
Speaker 3: didn't want him.
Speaker 1: So well, you know, who wants some schmuck that goes
Speaker 1: against their family and.
Speaker 3: At that point she wanted you.
Speaker 1: That was how much respect can you have for somebody?
Speaker 1: And give me a break.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So then we get this scene with Lane and Zach,
Speaker 3: which was quite adorable. They're eating sort of like weird
Speaker 3: spaghetti with candle light and they kiss and then she
Speaker 3: has this oh my god moment where she realizes he
Speaker 3: thinks he's gonna get it, and she's like, oh, I
Speaker 3: need to wait till marriage. What She's like, what did
Speaker 3: I just say.
Speaker 4: It's like all the things that she was taught as
Speaker 4: it growing up that she needed to do wait till
Speaker 4: you're married, to have sex or you know whatever, and
Speaker 4: it's like all that stuff is so deeply ingrained into
Speaker 4: her brain. But as we know, like she has been
Speaker 4: rebelling against that you know, upbringing.
Speaker 3: That she was raised with.
Speaker 4: And so it's like, wait, do I actually believe that
Speaker 4: that's what I want to do? Or do I actually
Speaker 4: do want to have sex with him?
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, And I think she doesn't know.
Speaker 3: She's like birds do it, Bees do it? And then
Speaker 3: he was so sweet, him saying, I pushed you. I
Speaker 3: should be arrested.
Speaker 1: You know, I realize this was the scene that I'm
Speaker 1: so disappointed in. No, really, yeah, this is the one.
Speaker 1: This is when we played our round robin in the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us and you all got the buzzer. This is
Speaker 1: this is the one. This is the one. I just listen.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see Lane. I wanted to see
Speaker 1: her have an experience. I wanted to see her not
Speaker 1: so much rebel but allow herself to live and be
Speaker 1: away from her mother's voice, so she wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: walk up to her mother on the street that she
Speaker 1: saw randomly handing out pamphlets for whatever reason. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: and say you're in my head. You know, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm tired of the shrill lane. It's like, can you
Speaker 1: just give her a different experience as opposed to like
Speaker 1: popping all the time at the end of scenes and
Speaker 1: getting hysterical. It's like, I get it. I all the
Speaker 1: build up has happened. Let her have a different experience.
Speaker 1: I was so wanting to for her to have a
Speaker 1: better journey than this in this episode because she's been
Speaker 1: waiting for so long with different guys and it didn't
Speaker 1: work out for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: Let her have a beautiful guy with the hair when
Speaker 3: she touched the hair right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be she doesn't have to have
Speaker 1: sex with Zach. Just have a beautiful experience. Let these
Speaker 1: two people have a beautiful experience. It could be just
Speaker 1: sort of making out on the couch and Zach saying, gosh,
Speaker 1: this is like for me right now, this is enough
Speaker 1: for me, you know, you know, like make it really lovely.
Speaker 3: So there's like allow her to be authentic to her
Speaker 3: rather than yes, selling too wild because she's rebelling or
Speaker 3: going the way of her mom, like what does she want?
Speaker 1: It just felt like forced conflict, conflict, and I just
Speaker 1: it surprised me that it went there.
Speaker 3: Forced conflict within herself, because that's no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Within the writing. I thought, I thought this was a
Speaker 1: weak link here in the episode, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: there's better. There's a better outcome than this for Lane.
Speaker 1: There has to be, because she's this is it's it's
Speaker 1: becoming like a cliche and it's like enough already of
Speaker 1: Lane flipping out and being sabotaged by the mother's voice
Speaker 1: in her head.
Speaker 3: It didn't, You're right, it didn't. It didn't grow the
Speaker 3: character because she behaved just like how she always has.
Speaker 3: So whether whatever her decision was, I wanted to be
Speaker 3: hers rather than the voice of her mom in her hand.
Speaker 1: But I do write, but I do see strength in
Speaker 1: what she did because it kind of was her decision
Speaker 1: and maybe this wasn't the right guy in the right
Speaker 1: moment and all that, But then she admitted that you're
Speaker 1: you know, mom, you're in my head. You know. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just wanted to see a better experience
Speaker 1: for her. I wanted I want to see the beginning
Speaker 1: of her liberation, the beginning of her real liberation, her
Speaker 1: real growth. Yeah, I just thought it was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: I was disappointed.
Speaker 3: I think that's a I did not even think of that.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a really interesting take in that
Speaker 3: it is a bit redundant to the Lane we've seen
Speaker 3: over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Because it's a big episode for Lane. We saw a
Speaker 1: lot of Lane. There was a lot of Lane and
Speaker 1: Zach and a lot of Lane and Rory and all
Speaker 1: of this set up, and it's like, oh, yeah, now
Speaker 1: they're going to give her something real nice.
Speaker 3: The only like contrarian sort of explanation I can come
Speaker 3: up with is that Lane, who's always rebelled against her heritage,
Speaker 3: or her upbringing or her you know, life, She's always
Speaker 3: rebelled against it, but at the moment when she could,
Speaker 3: she actually sort of maybe agrees with that. Maybe she
Speaker 3: does want to wait till marriage, and maybe the lessons
Speaker 3: her mom taught her, some of them she didn't need
Speaker 3: to rebel against, because maybe there is worthiness in those
Speaker 3: lessons she was taught.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, let's uh, I mean
Speaker 1: talk about I hate to say this. It's gonna sound
Speaker 1: Gilmore esque, but I mean talk about lowering your standards.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're with some monosyllabic guitar player who is
Speaker 1: like serving coke flat coke.
Speaker 3: See I actually, wow, right, there is that. But then
Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like, I think she genuinely
Speaker 3: really digs him, do you know what I mean? And
Speaker 3: I think he really cares about her, and they're completely
Speaker 3: like connected, and they have the music. Yes, I think
Speaker 3: they have the music, and they're sort of what.
Speaker 1: Do you what do you do you think? Lane? Lane
Speaker 1: is a brainy.
Speaker 3: Kid, but she loves him.
Speaker 1: She's just really smart. She's a smart kid. She's a
Speaker 1: high IQ kid.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 3: But he's the he's her dream boat. He's the punk.
Speaker 3: He has all the girls throwing themselves at him, and
Speaker 3: he picks her. And she loves the music and they
Speaker 3: have wonderful conversations and like you're saying, she gets to
Speaker 3: have fun, she gets to enjoy It's it's different for her.
Speaker 3: It's not. Look, it's impossible to replace Adam Brody, so
Speaker 3: we're never gonna that was the guy for her, And
Speaker 3: I think the intention probably was for that to be
Speaker 3: the guy. The whole series, but off he went to
Speaker 3: the O C and then here here we are.
Speaker 4: For me, it's kind of like, Okay, using Dave Rigowski
Speaker 4: and Laane as an example, those two, like if they
Speaker 4: if they had sex back then, I would have been like,
Speaker 4: that makes sense, Like it just does. Logan and Rory
Speaker 4: having sex makes sense. But like Lane and Zach do
Speaker 4: not make sense.
Speaker 1: I agree they do not. It does not make sense.
Speaker 1: It does make sense in a world where Lane is
Speaker 1: so desperate and so out of touch with her upbringing,
Speaker 1: and that the correction, the danger of raising a child
Speaker 1: in such a strict atmosphere is that they're going to
Speaker 1: correct that in a really negative way. And I think
Speaker 1: that's rebel right and rebel in a bad way. And
Speaker 1: that's what I think she prevented herself from doing. So
Speaker 1: maybe kind of was a blessing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's sort of like she's doing the right
Speaker 3: thing because she's not ready. Obviously she was ready, she
Speaker 3: would do it. She's not ready yet. My hope for
Speaker 3: Lane is that she's able to marry essentially her upbringing,
Speaker 3: the wishes her mom has for her, and the wishes
Speaker 3: and dreams she has for herself that she's able to
Speaker 3: find a place where those come together and she's truly
Speaker 3: authentically making the decisions she wants to do.
Speaker 1: So was this relationship with Zach supposed to show us
Speaker 1: that how far off the mark she is? Like, it's
Speaker 1: one thing to rebel against your mother and get away
Speaker 1: and that's that's a positive, but to end up there.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Talk to Danielle because Tara and I
Speaker 3: cannot answer this because I was going to say completely
Speaker 3: just way knowing where we're going with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to bring it.
Speaker 1: Does not make sense. And I think that's what about
Speaker 1: every single scene of theirs. This makes no sense. What
Speaker 1: is she doing?
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is my question. Is it a like
Speaker 4: chemistry thing between the two actors or is it like
Speaker 4: between or is it how it's written? Because for me,
Speaker 4: it's like I don't even see Lane and Zach flirting
Speaker 4: at all, Like I just don't see the spark or
Speaker 4: the connection like I do Logan and Rory, or even
Speaker 4: I agree with Bayne and David Galci. You're just kind
Speaker 4: of like this is her buddy from her band that
Speaker 4: she moved in with. She's kind of like, well, you're there,
Speaker 4: let's make out.
Speaker 3: So do you feel and this is a dig and
Speaker 3: apologize to every all the Lane and Zach fans, do
Speaker 3: you feel that like they wanted to have Lane have
Speaker 3: a big storyline and this was the guy that was there.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're sort of feeling, Like it's it's
Speaker 3: round peg square hole, Like they just needed to give
Speaker 3: her more because she's so amazing and talented and great
Speaker 3: on the show, and she's such an important character her
Speaker 3: and it can't just only be Rory and Lane. Roryan
Speaker 3: Lane and Zach is the guy that was left behind
Speaker 3: when when Adam Brody left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely for me, yes, because it's kind of like, okay,
Speaker 4: find you find another guy in the band that was
Speaker 4: in the band when the guy that you really should
Speaker 4: be with was in the band too, you know, like
Speaker 4: I would have rather Lane had I don't know, like
Speaker 4: if Luke had another server at the diner or something
Speaker 4: and they had this cute like relationship there. It was
Speaker 4: just the fact that he's in the band and while
Speaker 4: David Galski was in the picture, she had absolutely no
Speaker 4: connection to this guy.
Speaker 3: She sort of had more chemistry with that guy she
Speaker 3: dated from Chilton. Yeah, it was so cute.
Speaker 1: It makes more sense with the other skinny kid in
Speaker 1: the band.
Speaker 3: I know, I was gonna say, he wish she was
Speaker 3: with Brian Bryan.
Speaker 1: It makes more sense with Brian, and it almost makes
Speaker 1: more sense with Sebastian Bach and a weird would.
Speaker 4: Be entertaining, super entertaining.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, do you think it's also
Speaker 5: because like sometimes people just like guys because they're in
Speaker 5: a band, and they can say, and I.
Speaker 3: Think she likes because all the girls like him. You guys, remember.
Speaker 5: When all the girls were on him in the.
Speaker 3: Diners at him, They throw themselves at him, but at
Speaker 3: the diner second choice.
Speaker 1: But he was right, but he was Hugh hefnering it
Speaker 1: all the time, like there's two ladies and we're gonna
Speaker 1: go over here now and there atlea and the kind
Speaker 1: of like.
Speaker 3: He's like the lead singer. She likes bon.
Speaker 5: Jovi and they're always together. She's she knows that like
Speaker 5: those girls will go away, but she's in the band.
Speaker 1: I don't her mother did a real job on her.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, I don't see it, guys, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't see the chemistry. I'm just trying to I
Speaker 5: don't see.
Speaker 3: The chemistry, but I don't dislike them together.
Speaker 1: Are they They're selling us that they have this great chemistry, right,
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to be in these scenes and like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, they're selling it, but we're not buying.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's this is the issue. Yeah, that's the issue.
Speaker 3: Well, we go from that scene to another scene with
Speaker 3: two people who have amazing chemistry and banter together to
Speaker 3: the So we go to the Emily in the kitchen
Speaker 3: with all the flowers, and she's clearly upset and here
Speaker 3: comes Richard and even though they're fighting, Mandy, those two
Speaker 3: are perfect together. And you really that this is the
Speaker 3: scene we talked about and you're the favorite, and like
Speaker 3: Richard does sort of give the argument like she will
Speaker 3: deal with me, so I should continue that because I'll
Speaker 3: be the one to convince her to come back. I'm like,
Speaker 3: his theory is smart, although he's sort of like going
Speaker 3: up against Emily, But you're the favorite, so.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, he's a guy who feels comfortable not
Speaker 1: he exercises patriarchal power in a very admirable way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really does. I mean, it's it's a real example
Speaker 1: of a you know, you've You've got a strong woman here,
Speaker 1: an intelligent, strong, determined woman, and he loves her and
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch him love her. M h there.
Speaker 3: And I do think he is trying to work it
Speaker 3: out with Emily. Not not with Emily, He's trying to
Speaker 3: work it out with Rory and Laura. Like for Emily.
Speaker 3: I do think his intentions are good in that he
Speaker 3: is thinking he's going to be able to bring the
Speaker 3: family back together because they are so happy with him.
Speaker 1: Right right.
Speaker 3: So we go from that to then this is where
Speaker 3: Lane does her monologue with her mom, which I did laugh.
Speaker 3: First of all, she's wearing a bunny skateboarding on her
Speaker 3: sweater and then she brings up Donna from nine to
Speaker 3: two one Oho, which I thought was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: What when she shrieked at her mom, you're in.
Speaker 3: My hand, Yeah exactly, she's That's.
Speaker 1: The scene I wish they never shot see.
Speaker 3: I sort of found it amusing.
Speaker 1: I know it was amusing, but it's like, oh god,
Speaker 1: you know, here's another Lane.
Speaker 3: Here's another same thing we've seen a.
Speaker 1: Lot, like, can we just.
Speaker 3: And then she goes tell me if I'm saying this right?
Speaker 3: But I think she goes to Rory, and Rory says
Speaker 3: not in front of the books lane. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: she goes to Rory first and then she tells her
Speaker 3: what happened, and then she sees her mom in the street. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so all right. So then we get the phone call
Speaker 3: between Logan and Rory. She calls Logan from the bookstore
Speaker 3: because she realizes they were both wrong about Hemingway, which
Speaker 3: I thought was so cute and it was Hemingway right.
Speaker 3: And then he came back from his ski trip and
Speaker 3: sort of encourages her, Hey, you know, come back, and
Speaker 3: she wants to do it, and I thought I want
Speaker 3: her to do it, to see him and be with him.
Speaker 3: I thought it was so cute. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm not sorry. I love them together. Sorry, not sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm with your soul, sister, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 3: I wanted her to get in that car and get
Speaker 3: back there.
Speaker 5: They're so cute.
Speaker 1: I like that. She said, you know, I'll think about it,
Speaker 1: right her.
Speaker 3: Mom right, But she packed up immediately, and yeah, right away.
Speaker 1: She got the heck out of Dodge.
Speaker 2: So then we get the singing and the diner. So
Speaker 2: Kirk's in the diner. First of all, Emily sits next,
Speaker 2: and Luke is just ignoring her, and she says to Kirk,
Speaker 2: you know, like can I can I have a word
Speaker 2: with him?
Speaker 3: Excuse a? And then she says like she says to
Speaker 3: Luke like she doesn't really say I messed up, but
Speaker 3: she's saying she wants you so go guess it.
Speaker 4: You won?
Speaker 3: You won? Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite scenes I think I've I have
Speaker 4: seen in this entire series.
Speaker 1: It's theater. It's great theater. You put that on a
Speaker 1: stage on Broadway and Kelly Bishop walks on and delivers
Speaker 1: that scene. That's wow. That was. She's brilliant, she's powerful,
Speaker 1: she's brilliant. She can take command of a scene and
Speaker 1: just mm.
Speaker 3: And you did great in the scene too, because you
Speaker 3: you went toe to toe with her. You're not like,
Speaker 3: oh missus Gilmore are freaking out. You're just like, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna ignore her. I'm gonna film my coffee pot, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna clean my thing.
Speaker 4: Her stuff wouldn't have been as powerful without Luke's stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, you'd always say nothing.
Speaker 4: To me and all that.
Speaker 1: You got to know your job, she says it you
Speaker 1: gotta know what to do in a scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the scene was great, and then we do get
Speaker 3: the moment that we that we have that we love.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so amazing. You know, Laura's sitting
Speaker 3: there watching her movie and knock at the door, and it.
Speaker 1: Was I'm gonna I'm going to say something or I'll
Speaker 1: ask a question. Is it tad controversial? Is it better
Speaker 1: than the first kiss?
Speaker 4: Yes, you said, I like the first one better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, first one, the first one's they're both pretty pretty good.
Speaker 3: They're both I mean, we're talking nine point nine five
Speaker 3: in a ten.
Speaker 1: We'd like to hear your thoughts out there.
Speaker 4: The first one was more of like a dip, like
Speaker 4: I love you or kissing for the first time.
Speaker 3: The first bards, right, poor Hug. Finally, the first one
Speaker 3: funny when Kirk went running through the first one.
Speaker 1: The first one was tender romance and law and es
Speaker 1: fear and nervousness. In the second one was like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's get the heck upstairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both great. I couldn't I couldn't have been happier.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, I couldn't have been happier with
Speaker 3: the whole episode. Yeah, I understand your flag on it
Speaker 3: and respect it. But to me, ten out of ten,
Speaker 3: ten out of.
Speaker 1: Ten, I will deduct something. But you know, the Russian
Speaker 1: judge is getting a little testy.
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite line before we uh give?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, mine's uh Laurela. She says, what, uh what?
Speaker 1: I don't exist unless I can pop out of an
Speaker 1: envelope or something like that, because they were doing the
Speaker 1: mail routine. I don't exist unless I can you open
Speaker 1: up and I pop out of an oblo. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really.
Speaker 3: Funny, I said mine because I just love when Logan
Speaker 3: says Ace, I can't take a chance to be pulling
Speaker 3: out that person and someone might get hurt. Like I
Speaker 3: don't know. I just think his little zingers are always
Speaker 3: giving me as on it.
Speaker 4: Mine was from Emily. Were in that scene when she
Speaker 4: says I can't fight it, You've won. Go back to
Speaker 4: her m.
Speaker 5: I liked uh Kirk when Luke threw the towel that line.
Speaker 5: I can't remember word for word what it said.
Speaker 1: I have to pull it up.
Speaker 3: But oh the napkin, it's a cloth napkin and a moist.
Speaker 3: Tell there we go? Yeah, Oh my god, So I'll
Speaker 3: go first. Just because everybody knows. I will give it
Speaker 3: ten out of ten plates of hash that looked like vomit.
Speaker 4: Mine is nine point five laundry bags.
Speaker 3: She pretty much had nine point five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give it nine point two rum.
Speaker 1: Balls, oh good, nine point two. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It wasn't my favorite episode, but I enjoyed it interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it nine point five lawsuits coming back
Speaker 1: at the diner and Lukes for like throwing physically throwing
Speaker 1: people out of his dinner.
Speaker 4: Injury poisoning, that's so true.
Speaker 1: But nine point five. Yeah, I'll deduct five tenths for
Speaker 1: the well what we've already discussed, but a slight deduction.
Speaker 1: There you go. All right, that's gonna wrap it up. Well.
Speaker 1: The next week we've got Pulp Friction season five, episode seventeen.
Speaker 1: We are getting very pregnant in season five, really really
Speaker 1: getting along here anyway, Thank you, Thank you ladies.
Speaker 7: Good good talk, good talk, Yes, so.
Speaker 1: Good good pod.
Speaker 3: I still like so good talk better.
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