1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm just back from a few days in London and 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: Liverpool with my fourteen year old daughter. There was a 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift show involved. It was a really great trip, 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: our first one just the two of us. 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: She's a really great. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Kid, so are my boys, and I want to keep 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: them that way. I think a big part of it 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: is how we let them use screens, the way that 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: we let them use screens. I've talked about this on 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: here before, but phone use is just out of control 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: for kids right now. I think it's far worse than 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: it was pre pandemic. When we talk about the problems 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: of Internet usage for young people, we really focus on 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: social media, but I kind of think that that's really 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: besides the point. I wish there was more socializing on 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: their social media, not what they're doing on there at all. 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: There's very little interaction on any of these apps that 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: the kids are into. Snapchat at least has some degree 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: of interaction, though a lot of the time it's just, 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: you know, sending pictures back and forth so you can 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: maintain your high snap score. But at least that involves 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: your friends. The bigger issue I see right now is 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: the constant entertainment. That's what's really destroying this generation. I 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: meet kids all the time who cannot hold a conversation, 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: not with adults, not with other kids, no one. They're 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: just fiending to get back on their devices. They kind 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: of have this look in their face, like these moments 29 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm spending talking to you are. 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: In between my phone time. 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: In restaurants, you know, I'll see families where the kids 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: are just all on devices throughout the entirety of the meal. 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: People who have TVs. 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: In their cars, which is becoming, you know, quite a 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: big thing. Let their kids watch shows on their way somewhere. 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: To me, that's perfect music. It's like brainwashing time. Why 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: would you give that up? How are my kids going 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: to know the obscure music I like if I don't 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: play it for them when we're in the car or 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: even you know, not that obscure. We're going to see 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: a Billy Joel concert in a few months, and my 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: kids fourteen, eleven, and eight are so excited about it. 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: They would never have known Billy Joel's music if I 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: wasn't playing it on car rides, and sure it would 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: shut everyone up to just have a show on, you know, 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: but that really spoils a lot of other. 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Experiences that matter. We're not perfect. 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: When the kids were little and we'd be out late, 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: maybe on vacation or something, we'd let them watch a 50 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: show on our phone while we wrapped up dinner to 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: avoid meltdowns. But this new thing is not that I 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: see kids hanging out with their friends and they're both 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: watching separate tiktoks or YouTube videos. 54 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: It's really really wild. 55 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: It's almost like I wish they were on social media 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: or interacting with their friends, or playing a game online. 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: None of that stuff is great. But what we have 58 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: going on right now again, that glazed over constant entertainment, 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: is really far worse. I wrote about this in a 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: New York Post article in twenty twenty two. I wrote, 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: I've watched families arrive at a beach, lotion up their 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: kids and then tuck them under umbrellas with their phones 63 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: to spend the day, or arrive at restaurants and hand 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: out iPads for the children with no expectation of any 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: interaction throughout the meal. A playdate at a park with 66 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: friends turns into two kids staring at iPads side by side, 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: But it's really really gotten worse. Kids need boredom. They 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: cannot be entertained every minute of every day. Kids who 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: can't be bored end up being boring. Their dull faces 70 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: become incapable of maintaining a conversation. Eye contact is impossible. 71 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: They really can't function. They're on a drug, and everyone 72 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: seems okay with it. That's the worst part to me 73 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: of too much screen time. It leads to people who 74 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: can't meaningfully participate in society. They don't know how to 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: have relationships. The phone actually stands between them and real life, 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: and that real life with awkwardness, tedium, and monotony, just 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: can't compete with the constant dopamine hits and the filters 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: that fix every flaw. We all know how much better 79 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: that imperfect reality actually is. I wrote in that piece 80 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: that the screen as a tool is one thing, the 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: screen as a crutch is another. And that's really the 82 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: whole ballgame to me. I'm not saying don't let your 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: kids veg out on screens on weekend mornings. We used 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: to watch cartoons on Saturday mornings. This is not wildly 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: different or when you're on a flight, but if they're 86 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: hanging out with their friends, take it away. If you're 87 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: doing something as a family, if you're taking a drive somewhere, 88 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: make it screen free. Don't let your kids use it 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: to just fill up time. They can't be swiping for 90 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: entertainment when they should be really creating their own I 91 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: talked about sending my kids sleep away camp a few 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: episodes ago and that it's hard, but I do it 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: anyway because it's good for them, and I know this. 94 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: So one side note to that is that they're really 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: not really There are actually no devices at sleep away Camp. 96 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: It is a device free. 97 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Place the kids relearn how to exist without constant entertainment. 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: The update right now from my middle son's camp is 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: that he's most enjoying archery and playing in the creek 100 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: in the woods. 101 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: The YouTube stars. 102 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: That he likes to watch will be there when he 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: gets back. I love that they get a break from 104 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: constantly being entertained. Coming up next, an interview with Charlie Spearing. 105 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: Join us after the break, Hi, and welcome back to 106 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is 107 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: Charlie Speiring, senior political reporter for The Daily Mail and 108 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: author of the book Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris in the 109 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: White House. Hi, Charlie, so nice to have you on. 110 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I'm glad you got the book. Still. 111 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. 112 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: I actually I'm going to show it one more time. 113 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: I actually what I really like about it is, I 114 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: mean it's a deep dive, obviously, but I like that 115 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: you kind of like she used to be kind of different, 116 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: and I think you've traced her path to who she 117 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: is today. You describe her at one point like she 118 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: tried to be a joyful warrior, and I saw her 119 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: like that. 120 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: Also. 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: I remember writing a column during the time of twenty yeah, 122 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election, and I said that Elizabeth Warren 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: was unlikable, but Kamala Harris was not. 124 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: She was actually quite likable. She was funny, she was 125 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: you know, I like hearing the babies. 126 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm very pro that, seriously, but she was, you know, 127 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: she was kind of like a real person. 128 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: So what did you find in your research of her? 129 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, someone who basically once her star kind of rose. 130 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of Democrats fought with this 131 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: during the Trump era. Once Trump was elected, she kind 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: of seized on the sort of the angry fighter character creature. 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: She was one of the resist leaders in the movement, 134 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: you know, in the Senate. I really saw that as 135 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: a way to propel her political future and just you know, 136 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: by being the most, the most angry, the most outraged, 137 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 4: the most person, you know, the person who would just 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: these sort of anti Trump superhero they kind of pursued 139 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 4: that is the way to political future, instead of focusing 140 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: on who you are, who your moral center, you know, 141 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 4: what your moral center is, rather than running around being 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 4: outraged the whole time, I actually have an idea of 143 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: what you believe in, how you're going to make things 144 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: better instead of just anti Trump. 145 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: How did you get into political journalism? 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually kind of funny certainly growing up in Whyming, 147 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: I was you know, the farm, right, Yeah, we grew 148 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: I grew up on a farm in Wyoming, and so 149 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: not too many opportunities to get involved in politics there. 150 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: But it definitely a lot of time spent on the 151 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: tractor and a lot of time just you know, talking 152 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: and writing and thinking about politics. So you know, back 153 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: then we didn't have podcasts, excellent podcasts like this one 154 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: and so many others. You know, it was just literally 155 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: talk talk radio and NPR. It's a little bit of 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: balance on both sides, and a lot of hours just 157 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: listening to the day to day news and politics. I've 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 4: found that fascinating. And you know, granted we did tune 159 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 4: into the country station and listen to some music and 160 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: you know, the classic rock station. There was not that 161 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: much up, not that much available, but certainly we had that. 162 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 4: And then my parents, my grandparents lived close to us, 163 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 4: so growing up long history of they had always had 164 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: news magazines and newspapers laying around, and every time I 165 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 4: went there, I would, you know, read those you know, 166 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 4: US News and World Report and the local news and 167 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 4: national news, and just very much enjoyed journalism in general. 168 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: It was It's funny because when I first went to 169 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: Washington as an intern to get started on this career, 170 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily a fan of political journalism, right, so, 171 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 4: but one of my mentors quickly made it clear, like 172 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: if eighty ninety percent of all journalism is politics, so 173 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: if you're not interested in politics, this might not be 174 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 4: the career. 175 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: For you, right. 176 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: It's that's so funny because I try to write about culture. 177 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I love politics. I'm a politics junkie. 178 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: But I tried not to write about politics, and it's 179 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: so hard because you know when I do write political 180 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: columns that they get all the hits. That's like what 181 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: everybody wants to read. So do you go back to 182 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: Wyoming a lot? 183 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we try to make it back every summer. 184 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: It's it's it's still a hard thing to do because 185 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: we're not you know, I have six kids and so 186 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 4: we don't really it can't really afford to take planes anymore, 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 4: and so we just we actually invested in an RV, 188 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: so we take we get in the RV and then 189 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: we drive cross country back to Wyoming pretty much every summer. 190 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 4: Try to make it out for the fourth of July. 191 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: It's really the best time in Wyoming. That's when summer 192 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 4: finally starts in Wyoming, when temperatures finally get above eighty 193 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: and everything's it's really delightful out there at that time 194 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: of year. So and it's so good to get back 195 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: on the farm and have the kids experience that that 196 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 4: piece of my heritage without having to give it up completely. 197 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: So, now that you've written this book about Kamala, what 198 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: do you enjoy writing about politically now? 199 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. 200 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 4: It was such a huge part for me to sort 201 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 4: of separate from the day to day political noise and 202 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 4: focus on a long term project. So certainly looking at 203 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: the news now, it's I definitely want like looking at 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: any sort of. 205 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 3: Long form future lists, looking journalism. 206 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: You know, so much of covering With my previous job, 207 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: I covered the White House, and you can really get 208 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: sort of lost in the day to day grind of that, right, 209 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: and so it's it's been great to sort of focus 210 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 4: on sort of long term, interesting, deep dive stories that 211 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: you know, just so much of the day to day 212 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: is typically covered by social media now. So anything that 213 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 4: I can add to the conversation that's not just here's 214 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: what happened today, I think is definitely what I'm focused 215 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: on more in these days. 216 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: What's your favorite big picture stuff to cover or do 217 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: you have like a lane that you think of for 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: yourself or. 219 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: You just do it all well, Certainly, Kamala Harris, I 220 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: think we're going to be friends for a while. I'm 221 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: going to continue to watch her career and then the 222 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 4: way you know her frequent her frequent reboots have then 223 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 4: become a topic of conversation. 224 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: She's in the middle of one. 225 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 4: Now she's constantly going to try to remake that image 226 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 4: that you know, struggled so hard in her first year. 227 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 4: It really defined her as a vice president, and so 228 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: chronicling that ongoing struggle to redefine herself to American voters 229 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: is going to be an interesting story and it's useful to, 230 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 4: you know, when tackling any story about Kamala Harris. Having 231 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 4: that rich background and understanding of who she was, who 232 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: she is now, and how she got to where she's 233 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: going to be. I'man yeah, going to be focusing on 234 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 4: that a lot, and also just be focusing on so 235 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 4: many of the conservative personalities that have sprung up and 236 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: really have become quite influential online. 237 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: I'm probably not one of those people. 238 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: I just don't have like a huge following, a huge podcast, 239 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 4: and a very fast paced Twitter feed that everyone's focusing on. 240 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think I'll be keeping an eye 241 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: on those people, find out who they are, what motivates them, 242 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: and their relationship with each other. 243 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: I think the sort of the conservative influencer movement. 244 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 4: Is very interesting and I definitely have done a couple 245 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 4: articles on that and on the left as well. You 246 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: certainly see a lot of young Democrats who at least 247 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: Democrats understand that they need to get these people involved 248 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: and motivated and engaged, or they're just not going to 249 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: win anything anymore. 250 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, but being popular on Twitter does 251 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: not translate to anything in the real. 252 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: World, right, right, or very very little, you know. 253 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: It's always just funny when I'm sure you get this, 254 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: Like when you go home to Wyoming and you tell 255 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: them about the latest Twitter controversy or whatever. Nobody knows 256 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: anything about it, right, It's not like it does not 257 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: go It does not seep into the rest of or 258 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: reality anymore. Like I don't know even you know, when 259 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: Candice Owens leaving Daily Wire, mind like more normally, friends 260 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: had no idea first of all who she was or 261 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: or what happened or you know, they just didn't have 262 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: any of the details about it. 263 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: If they knew what she was, it was just like, oh, 264 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: what happened with Candice and Daily Wire. It's a whole thing, 265 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: you know, It's like a long story. 266 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, there're not many people are very aware of 267 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: the personalities in politics. However, these personalities can drive narratives 268 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: that do seep out into the normal world, which is 269 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: which as I find fascinating, you know, just picking and 270 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 4: choosing the right narrative and and you know, figuring out 271 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: where that narrative came from, who was the first person 272 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: that talked about it and why. I think that's very 273 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: That sort of thing is very powerful in politics, and 274 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: any examples of that are just generally the one that 275 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: comes to mind. I guess as Tucker Carlson, you know, 276 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 4: he famously took this sort of opposition view on issues 277 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: like Ukraine, and it really sort of spread a little 278 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 4: bit of really spread wide to a lot of conservatives 279 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: who felt like, you know, for so long Republicans were 280 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 4: the sort of the pro Ukraine party, and I think 281 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 4: for Tucker Carlson to actually look at, you know, an 282 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: opposing position on that kind of resonated in the movement 283 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: that I haven't seen before. You know, typically, we sort 284 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: of thrived, You saw conservatives sort of thrive on this 285 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: issue of you know, making the world a better place 286 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: and being there in all these moral conflicts. 287 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: And Tucker Carlson was the first person to sort of 288 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: challenge that, like, yeah, no, wait, why why are we 289 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: doing this right? It doesn't look like it's going to succeed. 290 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: So why are we engaged in this and why did 291 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: we why did we fail to stop this conflict from 292 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: happening in the first place. I think that was one. 293 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: That's one example. 294 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: My kind of only disagreement with that would be the 295 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: Republicans voted for the Ukraine package anyway, So it's like, 296 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, good for Tucker for getting that, you know, 297 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: message out, but it's it's not really what ended up 298 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: having any influence, right, And again, I don't know that 299 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: the average voter or the average person who is not 300 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: super engaged with what's happening in the world, I think 301 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: they would still be like, yeah, you know, I'm supportive 302 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: of Ukraine, or even beyond supportive. 303 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: I think supportive is an easy call. 304 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: But like the I think the average Republican voter would 305 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: still be like, yeah, I think sending money is not 306 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: a bad idea. It's just I feel like there's such 307 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: a disconnect between what we think is important on Twitter 308 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: and what. 309 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: Actually would people actually vote on or what they care about. 310 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: Also, I would say that the Ukraine thing not to 311 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: get us too far off track, because you know, I 312 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: was like, this is not a political show's talk about politics. 313 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: The whole time. Yeah, you know, because we are political people. 314 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: But I would say that a big part of that 315 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: is how bad things are going in America, and it's 316 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: not It's less about Ukraine or maybe Israel and more 317 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: about like, wait, I I'm having trouble paying for groceries. 318 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: Why are we sending money elsewhere? So I don't know 319 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: that's the I use Twitter all the time. 320 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 2: I love it. 321 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm a complete addict, but I actually don't think it 322 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: matters very much anymore, and depressingly for me. 323 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's good not to spend too much time 324 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 4: feeling it. Yeah, keep an eye on it so you 325 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 4: know what's going on and where it's coming from. 326 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 3: But don't let it consume you. 327 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: Those of us who adopted it from the beginning have 328 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 4: sort of seen that its usefulness rise and fall exactly, 329 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: and it. 330 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: May rise again, you know, who knows. 331 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 332 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitch Show. So a question that 333 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: I ask all of my guests is what do you 334 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: think is our largest cultural problem? And I know you 335 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: cover so many things it might be hard to pick 336 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: just one. 337 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 338 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 4: I did think about this quite a bit and I 339 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 4: think ultimately it comes down to fear is our biggest 340 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: societal problem. I think that, you know, it's kind of 341 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: crippling our society, the fear of every young person, even 342 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: every person my age, and so many others. 343 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: It's, you know, the idea that. 344 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: You can't you can't get married, you can't have a family, 345 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 4: you can't start a business. I think that fear is 346 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: kind of crippling our society, and it's definitely a product 347 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 4: of what happened during COVID. 348 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: So many people. 349 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: Sort of really embrace that fear and let it control them, 350 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: and so there's there's some people are now getting out 351 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: of that that fear and sort of throwing it off 352 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: and moving forward. 353 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: So that's encouraging to see. 354 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 4: But what's disappointing is to see so many politicians weaponize 355 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 4: that fear and for political gain. We used to have 356 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 4: politicians that sort of spoke about inspirationally encouraging Americans not 357 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: to be afraid, right, encouraging that you know, we're America. 358 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: We're not worried. 359 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 4: About the Russians or the Soviets. You know, we're America. 360 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 4: We're not going to let the you know, the Great 361 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: Depression define us. We're going to rise up, We're going 362 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 4: to get out of this. But yeah, when you look 363 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 4: at what Democrats in the Biden, what Biden did during COVID, 364 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: we're just really feeding off of that fear and that 365 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 4: frenzy for political gain and he's still doing it. Just 366 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: going back and looking at it at his commencement speech, 367 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 4: you know, at a black college where he's telling black 368 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: people that Republicans are going to throw them in jail, 369 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 4: that they don't want to see them succeed, that, you know, 370 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: just sort of still running with that message, and like 371 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 4: that's how to press it for a commencement speech, Like 372 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: you're supposed to be inspirational and not sort of doing 373 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 4: your whole you know, put they're going to put you 374 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: back in chains routine that he's been doing for so long, 375 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 4: and he's still doing it. And really that's all he 376 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: has right now, talking about how devastating the country is 377 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: going to be if Donald Trump wins the president see again, 378 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 4: and you should be very afraid of that happening. 379 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: So that's kind of and I think that, you. 380 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: Know, how do we overcome that, how do we become 381 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the fear? 382 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: Well, I think for people of faith, that kind of 383 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 4: have a cheat code, right, Faith is sort of the 384 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 4: answer to everybody's fears. But even if you're not religious, 385 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 4: you know, finding that faith in yourself, faith in the 386 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: people around you, finding people who have faith in you 387 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: and encourage you to succeed. 388 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: I think that's a huge help. 389 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: And I think I think our and you know, like 390 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 4: I said, if we have politicians that you know, try 391 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 4: to encourage people instead of you know, play on their fears, 392 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 4: I think that that will go a long way in 393 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 4: making our country really revive great again. Yeah, if you 394 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 4: want to make your country great again, you know, stop 395 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: putting your faith into politicians and put a little faith 396 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: into yourself or you know, or in your God. You know, 397 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 4: this is this is sort of what makes our country great? 398 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: Is Is that not not to old politicians who are 399 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: long past their prime. 400 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: What's it like to have six kids? 401 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 5: Switching topics, Yeah, that also has a lot to do 402 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 5: with fear, right, because you know, having raising so many, 403 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 5: so many people, young people and having an. 404 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 4: Influence on them is certainly a scary proposition. But yeah, 405 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 4: it's been it's been really great having the flexibility to 406 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: raise them and it's been awesome. My wife is a 407 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 4: huge part of that as imagined. She's really helpful with everything, 408 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: and it's it's been fun. And now that I've got teenagers, 409 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 4: now that's been that's been really good. My oldest daughter 410 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 4: is fifteen and so not quite the driving stage yet, 411 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: but we're getting close to that, and she's definitely a 412 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: huge help. You know, everything they say about having older kids, 413 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: they're really such a blessing to have, you know, they 414 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 4: they already start to give back and you know, emotionally, physically, 415 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 4: just there are a huge asset to help to raise 416 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 4: younger siblings and it's such a it's so encouraging to 417 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: see the younger siblings and the older siblings interact and 418 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 4: care for each other. 419 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 420 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: I always say that if we didn't have our daughter first, 421 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: she's fourteen now, probably. 422 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 2: Wouldn't have had our third kid. 423 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: She owes her his life. 424 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: Because she's so helpful and you know, just I also 425 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: think having a I mean, you know, we're not supposed 426 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: to talk about different sis between girls and boys, but 427 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: I think a girl a girl first, is it makes 428 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: a big difference. 429 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're pretty responsible and very very helpful. 430 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: My family. 431 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 4: I am the second oldest and I had a very 432 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 4: very bossy, very older the best, very helpful, the older sisters. 433 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, that was definitely huge help in our family. 434 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: So you have six kids, you have this excellent political 435 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: reporting career, you're very well respected, a great book Amateur Hour, 436 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: Thank you check it out. 437 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made it? 438 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such a great question, and I haven't necessarily 439 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: heard all the answers that from all the great people 440 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: you've had on your podcast, But I think there's something 441 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 4: about the past tense of that word that gives me pause. 442 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 4: You know, with someone with six kids that you've never 443 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 4: truly you're never truly done. You're constantly making it every 444 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: single day. You're trying to make it every single day. 445 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: Some days you're not making it. But any sense that 446 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: you certainly want to be grateful, you know, of the 447 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 4: career any journalist or writer that you know can have 448 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: a successful career at this point, is you want to 449 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: be super grateful. It's not always easy, it's not always possible, 450 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 4: but it's certainly not ready to rest on any laurels yet. 451 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: There's still a lot of work to do. 452 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: It's interesting nobody's ever commented on the past tense of 453 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: that that's that's a very good observation. 454 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: And I do get a wide range of answers. 455 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people say yeah, they've made 456 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: it and say they haven't, and it has almost nothing 457 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: to do with their professional success or any of that. 458 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree. I think we need to be 459 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: making it all the time. 460 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: And I always say also, I you know, I try 461 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: to answer my own questions all the time as well, 462 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: and it changes. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like, yeah, I've 463 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: totally made it. Not other times I have not made 464 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: having a not No, I. 465 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: Have not made it day to day. 466 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: So I think your past ten is going to keep 467 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: working on it. Well. 468 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: I love talking to you. This has been great. 469 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: And here with your best tip for my listeners on 470 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives. 471 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this one is definitely something I try to do. 472 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: But it kind of goes back to my thing about fear. 473 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 4: Always be ready, find find ways to get. 474 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: Out of the house. 475 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 4: I think that yeah, exactly as the kids say, yeah, 476 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 4: get out of the house, go do something. You know, 477 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: home is a safe place and we all learn to 478 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 4: love our homes during COVID or and so it's and 479 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: there's always a certain fear that will keep you from 480 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 4: leaving the house, like what if what if it rains? 481 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 4: What if what if my kids cranky? What if you know, 482 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 4: what if they hate where we're going. What if it 483 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 4: turns out to be a disaster, what if it's too expensive? 484 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 4: I think that I think very much in your personal life, 485 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: find ways to leave home to travel, and then when 486 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: you come back, even if you don't have a very 487 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 4: happy time away, if you come home, you can appreciate 488 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: your home a little better and learn to love. Learn 489 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 4: to love your home again, learn to love everything about it. 490 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: And you know, it's very much a something we try 491 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 4: to do in our families. Get out of the house, 492 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: go places, travel, don't don't let fear and comfort you 493 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 4: stock right. 494 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: It's so easy to forget that. I feel like, I 495 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: don't know, I was saying, I'm not like I'm feeling 496 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: just like today, and it definitely is probably because I 497 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: didn't leave the house yesterday. So I'm going to go, 498 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, try to touch grass today. I'm going to 499 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: listen to. 500 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: Charlie and. 501 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: When we can get out and get sunshine, that always. 502 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: Helps, right, And that's the thing. I don't maximize my 503 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: outside this here, because every day is a beautiful sunny day, 504 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: so I just got tomorrow. Yeah, he is Charlie Spearing. 505 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: His book is Amateur Hour. 506 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: It's on Kamala Harris. It's so good. Please get it. 507 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on, Charlie. This is great. 508 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: You bet, Carol, thanks so much for having me. 509 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 510 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.