1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to She Pivots. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: I'm Christy Turlington Burns. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 3: Welcome to She Pivots, the podcast where we talk with 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 3: women who dared to pivot out of one career and 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 3: into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 3: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. I'm excited 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: to have none other than Christy Turlington on the pod today. 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: She's the CEO and founder of Every Mother Counts, a 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: nonprofit organization dedicated to making pregnancy and child worth safe 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: for everyone everywhere. A perfect way to ring in Mother's 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: Day this weekend. I first met Christy at dinner at 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: my friend Joey Wilfer's house. I was pretty starstruck to 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: be sitting next to Christy Turlington, but really quickly found 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: out that not only a she totally accessible, lovely and normal, 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: she's incredibly substantive. We all know Christy best for what 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: I like to call her pre pivot days. Her days 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: is a supermodel. In her heyday, Christy was walking for 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: the Top Designers alongside other iconic supermodels like Naomi Campbell, 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: Cindy Crawford, and Linda Evangelista. Christy is a big believer 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: in quote, right time, right place, and that theme has 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: helped her merge the personal and professional as she's navigated 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: her life. From her parents meeting serendipitously on an airplane 23 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: to being scoured at just fourteen, Christy has learned to 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: let the moment rise up to meet her She knew 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: this was true when she unexpectedly became pregnant with her 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: daughter and dealt with some scary health issues immediately following 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: her birth. Despite the frightening experience, Christie's eyes were open 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: to the lack of quality care around maternal health and 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: her life was changed forever. Having never thought of modeling 30 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: as her end all, be all career, In fact, she 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: went back to school in her late twenties, she found 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: her passion and ran with it, eventually starting Every Mother Counts. 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: Since its inception in twenty eleven, the organization has impacted 34 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: over one million lives and invested over forty two million 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: dollars in community local light organizations, and Christy shows no 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: sign of stopping, hoping this will be her legacy that 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: she's remembered for. 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: Enjoy. 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: My name is Christy Turlington Burns, and I am the 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: founder and president of Every mother counts. 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 4: So can you tell us a little bit about growing up? 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: Tell us a little bit about your childhood. 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: I grew up in northern California, in the East Bay 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: area of San Francisco suburbs. I'm one of three girls 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: between my parents, and then I also have two siblings 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: from my father's first marriage who also grew up in 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: the same area. So I lived in that East area 48 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: suburban town was a town when I grew up, now 49 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: to the city, and then we moved to Miami, Florida, 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: actually also the suburbs of Miami, Florida, but we moved 51 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: there when my father moved for his job. He worked 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: for PanAm for thirty five years or so, but at 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: that time he had an opportunity to go to the 54 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: headquarters which were in Miami, to be the training captain 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: for seven forty seven. And that's when your parents met, right, 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: They met on a plane, but my dad didn't work 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: for PanAm at that point they met. My dad was 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: doing some kind of sales, some random like insurance salesman 59 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: or something, and he won a trip based on his 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: performance to go to Hawaii and my mom was a 61 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: flight attendant on that flight. So we tease her now. 62 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: My father's passed away a long time ago, but might 63 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: we tease her still to this day because she's very 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: passionate about her PanAm days and her flight attendant versus stewardess. 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: I don't know which is the correct one, but she 66 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: doesn't like one of them because she's like, it was 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: so much more glamorous back in the sixties when she 68 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: did it. But we always tease that she introduced herself 69 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: to my dad and was like coffee team or me. 70 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: I don't think it was quite that direct. But they 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: started dating, and he loved aviation and had flown recreationally, 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: like little planes are fun, and I think my mom 73 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: kind of opened up his eyes to a potential professional 74 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: career doing it, and I think in the sixties it 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: was sort of a big moment for commercial aviation, and 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: so he jumped in because of my mom, and then 77 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 2: he stuck with it for the rest of his career. 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: And she had to stop when she became pregnant with 79 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: my older sister. 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so interesting, And your mom's El Salvadorian right exactly. 81 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: She immigrated to the United States late nineteen forties when 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: she was about eight or nine, years old. She grew 83 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: up in Los Angeles. 84 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 4: How much did her El Salvadorian culture and background have 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: an impact on you as a kid so much. 86 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: My grandparents who lived in Los Angeles, they never spoke 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: great English, to be honest. 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: They lived in a part of I would say East La. 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: My mom always corrects up, but it is East La 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: technically because it's a sprawl of a city, and their 91 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: neighborhood was very diverse. But I would say a lot 92 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: of more sort of South American or Central American communities 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: had sort of reconnected there in their house. It would 94 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: have felt very much like another place, Like I felt 95 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: like the music and the culture of El Salvador where 96 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: we grew up in the suburbs, not at all. But 97 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: my mom always spoke Spanish with her sibling and her parents, 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: and we spent a lot of time with her family 99 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles but also in El Salvador as small kids. 100 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean my mom didn't. She's still to 101 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: this day. It's not a big cook like of bringing 102 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: those kind of cultures, but my grandmother very much was. 103 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: So when she would come and live with us for 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: long periods of time, she would always be making like 105 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: more traditional food, which I love. That's like my first 106 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: connection to that part of the world is through my 107 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 2: stomach in the most like visceral way, Like she just 108 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: like all the smells and all the tastes. 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: And I get to. 110 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: Travel around that part of the world quite a lot 111 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: through every Mother Counts now mostly in Guatemala, but sometimes 112 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: all Salvador. And there's just a smell when I'm in 113 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: that part, like the humidity, the climate, the trees, the 114 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: just everything about it is very i don't know, basic, 115 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: like all my senses kind of wake up in it. 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it like takes you back. Yeah, it's feeling because 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 4: like home. So what did you think even as you 118 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: were moving around? Like do you have thoughts about like 119 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 4: what you were going to be when you grew up? 120 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 4: Like you were pretty you're pretty intellectual as a kid. 121 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: I don't know that I knew what I wanted to be. 122 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: I knew that I wanted to travel because I loved 123 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: to travel. And I love that my parents both had 124 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: had these incredible experiences where they'd been everywhere, and they 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: each had independently photographs of them my dad in you know, 126 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: at the beach in Lebanon, or my mom my. 127 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Mom did this. Pandem used to have this around the 128 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: World pass and so she took both of her parents 129 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: separately on these around the world while she was working, 130 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: but they could stop and spend time, and so she 131 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: has pictures from Egypt and you know, just like all 132 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: over the world. 133 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: And so I think growing up with that, and also 134 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: having my experiences going down to Fall Salvador, I felt like, 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: I definitely want to do more of that. I want 136 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: to see more of the world. I liked reading a 137 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: lot already by the time I was in middle school, 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: and so I had some fantasies about maybe being a writer. 139 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: I think also for the same reason I love travel. 140 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I think reading was like that way to transport yourself 141 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: and experience something very different, and so I thought, wow, 142 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: that's something that I really enjoyed. So maybe that would 143 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: be a cool thing one day to be able to 144 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: do and transport someone else. I have written a bit 145 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: over the years, not the kind of writing that I imagine 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: probably then, but there's still time maybe. 147 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: But Christy didn't have much time to dream big dreams 148 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: as a child. She was only fourteen when she started modeling. 149 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: After being scattered horseback riding. 150 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: My sister and I we rode horses, not in the 151 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: way that my daughter eventually did. We rode western, which 152 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: most people are like, what is that so different saddle, 153 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: And there we did compete writing Western. I eventually even 154 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: did a little bit of what's called raining or barrel 155 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: racing kind of Western. We did that growing up. And 156 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: we had a teacher actually at our lower school when 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: we were young that had a little barn and her 158 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: daughter rode, and so we ended up spending time there 159 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: and we would clean stalls and get free lessons from 160 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: her and sometimes got to compete, and then fell in 161 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: love with it. And my dad was from a much 162 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: more rural place in northern California than we were from, 163 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: and he kind of loved that whole sort of Americana 164 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: Western like he loved the whole thing, like John Wayne, 165 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: like all of that stuff. And so I think vicariously 166 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: through us, he got kind of interested in it too. 167 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: So by the time we moved to Florida, I think 168 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: part of our moving across the country was we'll find 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: that for you to do again. So we both had 170 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: a horse, and we rode competitively, and we rode after school, 171 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: and so that was sort of my life, my everyday 172 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: life as much as possible. Even most of my friend 173 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: group was around that until I started modeling. So one 174 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: day we were at our barn and my mom was 175 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: a saint and would drive us kind of a far 176 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: away actually, like a hour both ways and sit and 177 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: wait for us, and so she was sort of waiting 178 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: for us to do our lesson. And while we were there, 179 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: there was a photographer who was taking photographs of these 180 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: twins who actually went to our school. 181 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Coincidentally, it was completely a. 182 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: Fluke, but they were actors and had done like a 183 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: lot of TV commercials and stuff. So they were doing 184 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: just stock photos with this photographer and in between the shots, 185 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: he would come over to the ring and he'd watch 186 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: us go in circles. And at the end of it, 187 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: he came to our mom and he said, oh, you know, 188 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: I'd love to take photos of your daughters, And strangely, 189 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: my mom was like, okay, well you put it that. 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: Way, yeah, like it's kind of weird lurking. 191 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: And then he want to say pictures of us, but 192 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: I don't DIFFI But so we didn't do it that weekend, 193 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 2: but I think a few weeks or sometime not too 194 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: long after, we spent a Saturday afternoon with my mom again, 195 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: but my sister and we brought our own clothes and 196 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: we did a test shoot independently. We weren't together in 197 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: the photos, and the photographer had a wife who was 198 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 2: a makeup artist, so she made us up, and apart 199 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: from our own clothes, it felt glamorous of whatever I 200 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 2: would have known glamor to be at the time, because 201 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: I really was not I didn't even look at seventeen magazine, 202 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: let alone Vogue or something more substantial. And so those 203 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: photos were then sent to a local agent, and we 204 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: were invited to come in to meet this local agent, 205 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: and she looked at my sister and I and you 206 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: looked at our photos and kind of looked at us, 207 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: and she said to me that, oh, you can do this, 208 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: because I was taller, and I don't know, I was 209 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: just kind of lanky and awkward, and modeling seems to 210 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: love that type. And my sister was not as tall 211 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: and much more kind of athletic. And my sister was 212 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: so disappointed at the time because she actually was aware 213 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: of fashion and she actually did look at magazines. And 214 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: I think the difference of two years in those teenage 215 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: years was immense. So yeah, she was a little disappointed. 216 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: And I started modeling an hour after school here and there, 217 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: local department stores like bird Eyes. I did a Girl 218 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: Scout catalog photo shoot once, and so it went from 219 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: those kinds of jobs to starting to do like make 220 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: up for the department store ads or jewelry. So they 221 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: started to kind of mature me very quickly. But my 222 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: mom was always around and it was you know, it 223 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: was fun. I made extra money. Yeah, I didn't really 224 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: think of it as like a career. I just thought 225 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: this is kind of fun and I'm making some money. 226 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: And at the time, her family was living in Miami. 227 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: We lived there from seventy nine to eighty three, really 228 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: turbulent years, like really turbulent years. I think it really 229 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: formed me as a human actually those years in Miami. 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: But there was a huge sort of Cuban refugee influx 231 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: as well as a Haitian refugee influx, and then a 232 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: lot of just like danger. I mean like we were 233 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: from like such a provincial northern California town and then Miami, 234 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: even though we were in the suburbs, it just like 235 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: all of the world's issues suddenly were like right there. 236 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 3: Eventually, her family moved back to California, ready for a 237 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: slower pace of life and more elbow room for Christy 238 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,359 Speaker 3: and her siblings. 239 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: We moved back to California basically, you know, within the year, 240 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: my father actually had a heart attack and he couldn't 241 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: fly anymore, so we thought better to go back to 242 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 2: California to be closer to family and friends, et cetera 243 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: in that time. But he actually was able to fly 244 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: again after about five years. But anyway, so we moved 245 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: back to California. I went back to the same community, 246 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: went to the high school that we had sort of 247 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: skipped middle school there, but then went to the high school, 248 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: and I started to think, like, oh, maybe I still 249 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: want to try the modeling thing. Maybe I'll try locally 250 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: in San Francisco. So my mom brought me to the city. 251 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: We're about like forty five minutes out of the city, 252 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: and I met a local agency there as well, and 253 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: so I started doing the same kind of thing, like 254 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, ads for Imporium Capwell and Macy's and things 255 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: like that. 256 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: I had met a scout. 257 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: For an agency in Paris when I was in Miami 258 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: just before leaving, and I met a scout from New 259 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: York from the Ford Agency before I left Miami, so 260 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: we had like loosely talked about Paris maybe for the 261 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: following summer. So the following summer I did go to 262 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: Paris with my mom for about a month, and I 263 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: worked maybe twice. But we had the best time together. 264 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: I think, just quality time with my mom. You know 265 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: when you're when you have siblings that are within a 266 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: couple of years, like you never have your mom to yourself. 267 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: So actually we had like a really really. 268 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: Nice time and we would just kind of walk arm 269 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: in arm around Paris and go on my castings and 270 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: go to cafes and go to museums and it was great. 271 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: On their way back from Paris, Christy made a pit 272 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: stop in New York. 273 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: And that's when I had to kind of, I would say, 274 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: kind of an aha experience of like I love New 275 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: York City, Like this is where I sat in. Paris 276 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: was great and beautiful, but new York, this is nineteen 277 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: eighty four, probably gritty New York. I loved it. I 278 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: was like, I need to find a way to come 279 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: back here. This is where I want to be. 280 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: So the next summer she made sure to make her 281 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: way back. While she was there, she had what people 282 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: in the modeling world called a go see, basically a 283 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: meeting from models to meet with photographers and see their 284 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: work and their walk, but with none other than Vogue. 285 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: But at sixteen, I had a go see up at 286 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: Vogue at connye Nast, and the sittings editor sent me 287 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: to see Arthur Elgret, whose studio is down still down 288 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: town in the same area on Grand Street, just outside 289 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: of Soho. And I went down there with my book 290 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: and met him, and then he booked me for a 291 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: week for Vogue. And I wouldn't say it was like 292 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: overnight amazing, but the experience was incredible. Was like sort 293 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: of went from like not very important stuff to Vogue. 294 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: And Arthur is an incredible photographer. 295 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: He's probably one of the photographers that has taught me 296 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: the most, who I've spent so much time over the 297 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: years working with and traveling with. And you know, his 298 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: whole family and he knows my whole family, and so 299 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: it was like a really great relationship and partnership or 300 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: collaboration that sort of started with he and I And 301 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: so then I would come back and forth all the time. 302 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: I would go to Paris for the collections. I would 303 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: go back to school for a little while. I actually 304 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: left a regular high school to go to a professional 305 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: children's school, but based in California, which made me keep 306 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: going back out there. And I missed my family too. 307 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to get away. But then when I 308 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: would be away, I would be like, oh, what are 309 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: they doing? Or I know exactly what they're doing right now. 310 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: They're doing it without me. Yeah, they're doing it without me, 311 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: and so it was nice to have something to pull 312 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: me back. But the moment I was eighteen, I had 313 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: my apartment set up, I was ready to go, and 314 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: I went on a trip, actually turned eighteen on that trip, 315 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: and then returned to New York and then I was like, 316 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm not going back. 317 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: So when you moved in, did you move in immediately 318 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: with Naomi or did that come a little bit after 319 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: because you were roommates pretty quickly. 320 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: Right, Well, I moved into the apartment and it was 321 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: basically one of those old warehouse buildings down in Soho 322 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: and my agent at that time was Eileen Ford, and 323 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: her daughter, Katie Ford was married to Andre Belas and 324 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: they were newly weds and bought the floor in the building, 325 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: so they made a smaller apartment. It was still a 326 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: really nice, open, kind of classic so hope, but it 327 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: was I had the back and they were in the front. 328 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: My parents liked it because they were adults compared to me. 329 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: Like there was no doorman. It was a little rough 330 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: down there at night, so like that gave them peace 331 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: of mind. But I also still felt independent and I 332 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: was living on my own. I met Naomi about a 333 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: year later. Oh okay, or maybe i'd met her just before, 334 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: but when I met her, we hit it off. We 335 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: met in London, and she's a year younger than me, 336 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: and I had said, when when you come to New York, 337 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: I come to New York, because you need to come 338 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: to New York, but also when you come to New York, 339 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: please come stay with me. So it took her a 340 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: little while before she moved. But then she did live 341 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: with me for I want to say, about a year. 342 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: But both of us at the time were working so 343 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: much and traveling so much. We barely were there at 344 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: the same time. But it still felt like I still 345 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: have like memories of us going to Conrad's no So 346 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: it's so funny. She was in the Astor Place. But 347 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: there is a designer, an English designer named Jasper Ran 348 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: and his father had a really well known I don't 349 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: know if it exists anymore, but called Conorance his father's business, 350 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: and they opened them in New York for a while 351 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: and they were kind of like housewares, homeware but kind 352 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: of accessible but also stylish kind of thing. So there 353 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: was one in that Astor Place area, and our apartment 354 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 2: was down on Grand Street, so we did, you know, 355 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: let's do our shopping where we got our shower curtains 356 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: and our you know, like we stocked up our kitchen together, 357 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: like we had those kind of roommate moments, which is nice. 358 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: Those are important moments. 359 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, cause we didn't go to college at that age, 360 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: and so there was a few instances where we replicated 361 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: to the best of our ability without having that experience, 362 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: that kind of camaraderie and dorm sort of style living 363 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: and hanging out. 364 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's an important part of it. 365 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: Was there any point then that you felt like you 366 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: were missing out on a college experience and you were 367 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 4: just working so much that. 368 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: You couldn't even think about it. 369 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: As soon as I was living on my own and like, 370 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: I'm just a model that felt differently to me almost immediately, 371 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: but I'd say a good year after, I kind of like, 372 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm living in New York, I'm on my own, but 373 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: now I'm not a student. Now I'm just a model 374 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: that just didn't ever sit right with me. And so 375 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: my sister would share some of her reading less or syllabus, 376 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: and then my mom also went back to school around 377 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: that time. She was in her early fifties and had 378 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: gone to school for two years when she graduated from 379 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: high school before she started working, but then she'd never finished, 380 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: and so she went back. So the two of them 381 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: were doing liberal arts degrees, and so it planted to see, 382 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: like that's the degree that I want to do, and 383 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: I will do it. I'll do it. It'll and then 384 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: probably a couple of years, like I probably how long. 385 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: Is this going to last? I'll do that in a 386 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: few years, And eventually I did do it. I think. 387 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: I think I applied to NYU when I was twenty five, 388 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: almost twenty yeah, twenty five going into my twenty sixth year, 389 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: and I started there, so I was, yeah, I was 390 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: an adult in my mind, but I was still outside 391 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: of that. I mean, it's feels like a big difference 392 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: going to college at eighteen versus going at twenty five. 393 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: At that time, I felt like it's a world away. 394 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 4: Well, you had lived a full lifetime in those years, 395 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: Like how quickly did it start to feel not just like, Okay, 396 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 4: I'm a model, but I'm a huge model. 397 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. 398 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess being on covers of 399 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: magazines because at that time, right the world there's magazines 400 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: were different than they are today, and news stands were everywhere, 401 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 2: and so even in the grocery store checkout line, right 402 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: there would be Vogue or whatever. And so I think 403 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: when I started to be on covers of magazines that 404 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: first year. I think my first Vogue cover was when 405 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: I was seventeen, for Italian Vogue and British Vogue and 406 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 2: then American Vogue, and I think. 407 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: Those were like Vogue still still does. 408 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: I would say, has that if that's the world, Vogue 409 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: is kind of it, right, So I think sometimes those 410 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: things if I was in the world as a normal 411 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: person and then liking out there, but then there I 412 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: am want to cover you know that just kind of 413 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: do you remember that first time? 414 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, that's me. 415 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it's odd because obviously you don't 416 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 2: look I mean it was just a teenager, so you 417 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: look very different in the images, and that took a 418 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: little while to get used to, like, and then it 419 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: also kind of felt like a double life, like that's me, 420 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: but it's not me, and I can still be a 421 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: human in the world and nobody even knows about that, 422 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: like if I'm on the street or on the subway, 423 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 2: and that still is my life. Today, I feel very 424 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: much like I can just blend and that feels like 425 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 2: that's a persona. Almost the big, big turning point in 426 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: my career, I would say where I felt like I arrived, 427 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: And that was not that long after moving to New 428 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: York was working for Calvin Klein. So I did the 429 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: show for Calvin and all the other New York designers 430 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: here in New York around that time. And they were 431 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: very different in those years, like most shows were in 432 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: showrooms in like on what fashion Avenue, seventh Avenue, that 433 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: fashion district, which I don't even know if that exists, 434 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 2: that it's on the sign, yeah right, yeah, everything happened 435 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: there in the industry, and so you know, you would 436 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: do Ralph and Donna and Calvin all had offices in 437 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: the same building, and you kind of do Everyone did 438 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: like five shows back to back, and every show was 439 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: like an hour, and you had maybe six to eight 440 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: looks for everyone. So it was like a whole different 441 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: thing than today, which is so fascinating to me. But 442 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: I so I'd worked for him before, and actually one 443 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: day I went up there to have a fitting for 444 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: a show. And so I went to a fitting. They 445 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: were lovely and chatty and talking, you know, excited about 446 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: this and that. And then I went to the next 447 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: fitting down the road and the phone rang and it 448 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: is my agent, So Calvin would like to talk to you. 449 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, So I'm at another fitting and 450 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: Calvin gets on the phone and he says, you know, 451 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: I'd really like you to come and work for me, 452 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: like work for me, like as under contract. And I 453 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: was like, well, that's cool. At the time, Calvin, he 454 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: kind of worked with people in that way where one 455 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: person would kind of embody the whole brand. 456 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Before me. 457 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: It was Josie Brain, South African, very kind of androgynous, 458 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: beautiful but short hair, and she had been that she'd 459 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: been all the early obsession commercials with avad On and 460 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: she was kind of the Calvin face. So he kind 461 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: of invited me into that world, and so I did 462 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 2: an exclusive contract. It's nineteen and at the time in 463 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: that industry, again thinking this is going to be a 464 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: couple of years, I was sort of like, Okay, well, 465 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: I guess this is a good way to get there 466 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: and then go out, you know, because it's like the 467 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: top of what you would want to do. And the 468 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: contract itself, I mean, I had to work I think 469 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: one hundred days. But the downside was, which I didn't realize, 470 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: was such a huge sacrifices. I couldn't work for anybody else. 471 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 2: I couldn't work for any other designer, but I couldn't 472 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: work with other photographers either. In Calvin at that time 473 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 2: only worked with Bruce Weber, and you know, again it's 474 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: Calvin brand world and everything. You know, you were sort 475 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: of stepping into his universe. And I realized only like 476 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: a year in or so that what I liked about 477 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: the industry was all the mix and the people and 478 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: the fun and the you know, you're with Irving Penn 479 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: one day, and you're with you know, Stephen Maisel, and 480 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: you know, you're it's just like so much every couple 481 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: of days, you're on to the next thing. And at 482 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: eighteen and nineteen years old, that was really fun and 483 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: that was creative and exciting. But then I learned, you know, 484 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: a year later or so, like that's not I'm not 485 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: ready for that. It's too limiting. It's not fun so much. 486 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 4: I feel like it's so cliche, so like so much 487 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 4: as timing, but like you had a great end of 488 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 4: career opportunity at like the beginning of your career, and 489 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 4: like if it's not a fit, it doesn't mean it's bad, 490 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: it's just not a fit. So you've referenced a couple 491 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 4: of times. Did you keep saying that you just thought 492 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 4: it was for a couple of years. Yeah, it was 493 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 4: that always your mindset that you were like, oh, just 494 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: kind of get in, get out, and then I'll do Yeah. 495 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there really was a sense that like 496 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 2: it's a young it's a thing for I mean, like 497 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be, but that's really where it's at. It's 498 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: a young girls world. And you know, like by the 499 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: time you're in your early twenties, like you kind of 500 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: move on, not that you feel old at that point, 501 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: but that the focus and emphasis is really on youth. Yeah, 502 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: so not conscious, but I just kind of was like, well, 503 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: that's what this is, what this industry is. It's everything 504 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: I know about it is that. And there were a 505 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: few exceptions, of course, but I just again, I never 506 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: I never called it a career. I still hesitate to 507 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: call that a career. But now that I have a 508 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: different career, I often will be like, well, my first career, 509 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: so it's different now. But yeah, I always was thinking 510 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: this is gonna it will end fast and it will 511 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: end quickly. So yeah, Actually it took me going back 512 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: to school full time to really like start to really 513 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: think through what I might want to do in a 514 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: more focused way. And I kind of had these opportunities 515 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: throughout my adult life where it's like, oh, this is 516 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: an opportunity for reinvention, not like starting over, but like, ooh, 517 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: this is another part of myself that I want to explore, 518 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: and so I think that was exciting. I also gone 519 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: back to school, so I think the school also really 520 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: helped prepare me. I was becoming more and more confident 521 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: all the time, like being a return student as an adult, 522 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 2: like that first test or that first paper. 523 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: It's scary. 524 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 2: I've been out of school for eight years. It's not 525 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: been my focus self conscious and I didn't feel smart 526 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: in that way. I wasn't a great student before I 527 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 2: left school in the first place. And then I surprised 528 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: myself because I became like a great student. I graduated 529 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: with honors from Menoyu and I was like straight a's 530 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: and pand raised in front row and missed, didn't miss 531 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: a single assignment, and like I was so into it. 532 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: So that kind of surprised myself. 533 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, who. 534 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: She She's been in there this whole time. 535 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: Christy found a different kind of confidence while she was 536 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: at school, but it was something that she had always 537 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: had with her. While she was modeling, Christy was known 538 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: for speaking up for other models. When we come back, 539 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: Christie talks about another time she made sure to advocate 540 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 3: for other women in the industry. Now back to the show. 541 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: But one scenario kind of like the Naomi scenario where 542 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: I actually did this a couple of times with like 543 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: my Norma Ray moments where like fighting for my peers. 544 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: The model Yasmin Labon, he has been part of it. Leavon, 545 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: she was a peer and a friend, and she was 546 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: a mom in those years when we were all working 547 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: all the time. She was a couple of years older 548 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: than me, but she had a couple of kids. And 549 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: I remember we were in Milan. It's just different. None 550 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: of us had kids at that time and doing that job. 551 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: I think that's changed a little bit over the years too. 552 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: But I remember going to Milan and we did all 553 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: of our normal ghosties in our normal shows. And I 554 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: remember she didn't get booked for Versace, and like I 555 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: was friends with Versace's at that time, friends enough to 556 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: be able to say, like, you know that she just 557 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: had a baby, like you don't, don't don't make her 558 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: feel bad or if you don't want to book her 559 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: for whatever reasons, send her flowers and say see you 560 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 2: next season, or just be kind. And I said that 561 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: to Donna Tella Versace, and that's exactly what she did. 562 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: She send her some flowers and she but I and 563 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: I hadn't even been there myself yet, but I just thought, like, 564 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: that's not the feeling and the message for her to 565 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: like lose weight faster, or like she's a mom and 566 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: she's a she was married to a musician, but she 567 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: was kind of a breadwinner too at that time, because 568 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: his career in those years was up and down. And 569 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: I think for her, like she was the hard working, 570 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: like going to do it all, and I just that 571 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: didn't feel right, It didn't feel fair, and I thought 572 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: that the longer term damage to her, especially because I 573 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: knew that they loved her and I knew that, you know, 574 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 2: they valued her, they just weren't even conscious of like 575 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: the impact of something like that. 576 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: It feels like that you mentioned this, you know, you 577 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: were sort of like being aware of your platform and 578 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 4: being aware of the power that you potentially had. I 579 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 4: feel like that laid the groundwork a little bit for 580 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 4: in your later years to say, like, yes, I actually 581 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 4: I can see a direct impact of using my voice. 582 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: Amusing I think so, I mean, I think I think 583 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: most of us want to do good, right, We want 584 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: to be better, we want to be our best selves, 585 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 2: right most of us. I think it's a human thing 586 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: to want to. But I don't know that we always 587 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 2: have the examples around us, or the opportunity or the 588 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 2: question like sometimes I mean, again, a lot of the 589 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: ones I spend time with now and I work and 590 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: travel around the world, like the question of like how 591 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: is your experience or how did that feel? Those are 592 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: questions that women aren't asked. And so if you're not 593 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: ever asked that, and you don't suddenly just ask yourself that, 594 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's almost like it's like 595 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 2: a practice, like anything. And so I think I started 596 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: to test in little ways, and maybe some of these 597 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: are examples of that, like me put my voice out there. 598 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: Oh something changed in a positive way because I did 599 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 2: do that, So I have a little bit more confidence 600 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: to do that again. 601 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: Or it starts to become like a habit. 602 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: And then in a good way, a good habit that 603 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: whenever you see something, you say something, or whenever you 604 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: see an opportunity to actually change the tone or just 605 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: the conversation, do it. 606 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: When we come back, Christy talks about how meeting her 607 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: husband Eddie and having her daughter led to the more 608 00:28:52,960 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 3: permanent advocacy work she still does to this day. Christy 609 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: had just graduated from NYU when she met her now husband, 610 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: Edward Burns. 611 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: So we met very quickly, got engaged within like a 612 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: few months, which was interesting because I had been in 613 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: like two six year relationships without marriage really being that likely. 614 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: And then we started planning our wedding, and then nine 615 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: to eleven happened, and so our wedding was supposed to 616 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: be right after nine to eleven, then like maybe early October. 617 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: I can't remember their original date, and we were going 618 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: to get married in Europe, and suddenly that couldn't happen, 619 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: and we broke up actually for about six months because 620 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: I think just it's hard to be going at that pace. 621 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: It was probably moving too fast anyway, and then stop 622 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: and then reset. And then also the world was like 623 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: turned over for all of us for the most part. 624 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: So we eventually got back together like six months later, 625 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: and then got pregnant and then got married. But our 626 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: plan had everything gone as we planned it originally. 627 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: Our daughter basically was born right on. 628 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: Time, like she kept to her schedule, and we just 629 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: had these other kind of ins and outs, ups and downs. 630 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: She knew better than us, which I think she likes 631 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: to hear now. So then it was her birth really 632 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: that changed my life to where I am today. 633 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: But I was ready. 634 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: I was at a stage in my life I think 635 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: because I had worked and traveled and gone back to 636 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: school and after college, I even started a couple of 637 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: businesses like I kind of felt like I'm really ready now, 638 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: which is why I think we were moving so quickly, 639 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: because I think we both were at that same place 640 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: at the same time, and like, let's go, so lots. 641 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: Of options, lots of choices. 642 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: I felt very healthy and supported, and he was really 643 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: into it and really a great partner in all of it, 644 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: and I felt like so well supported and so yeah, 645 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: like I knew exactly what I wanted. I wanted an 646 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: unmedicated birth, and also probably because of the yoga, like 647 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: I just felt very confident in my body, and yeah, 648 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: everything was just as I wanted it to be and perfect. 649 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: And everything it's perfect. She gave birth to a beautiful 650 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 3: baby girl, a total surprise for them, and just when 651 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: she was feeling so lucky and blessed, the complication started. 652 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: And then I just didn't advance to the four stage 653 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: of labor, which can happen for a number of reasons, 654 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: but in my scenario, I had to retain a placenta, 655 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: which is very common, but there's no way to know 656 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: that during pregnancy or with any tests or scams or 657 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: anything like that. So it was actively managed. Like at 658 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: a certain point you kind of have to encourage it 659 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: to happen like it's just not you know, you can 660 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: get sepsis or other things if the placenta staysn't too long. 661 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: And so they actively managed and extracted the placenta and 662 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: were very vascular in our uterus and so there was 663 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: a lot of blood and I hemorrhaged. I didn't need 664 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: it like some people need a hysterectomy blood transfusion. For me, 665 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: I had probably the best case scenario of that. I 666 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: lost blood, but it was manageable and then like the 667 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: team worked together. It was painful because I had opted 668 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: for a medicated there wasn't time to do anything different 669 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: once things started moving, but I felt safe in the 670 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: care and the company of the people that were in 671 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: the room, and my husband was still in the room, 672 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: and our daughter was still in the room. And so 673 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: painful be as good as it could have been, I think. 674 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: But as I was trying to kind of put the 675 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: pieces together and understand the why and the how, and 676 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: I was so prepared and so educated, how did I 677 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: not know and how was I not expecting this scenario? 678 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: My first place that my heart went in my head 679 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: went also was what about everybody else that doesn't have 680 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: access to this kind of care, this quality of care, 681 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: at this level of care, and it turns out that 682 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of girls and women do not. 683 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: And so it just was like a natural kind of 684 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: asking the question, feeling that sense of like what about 685 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: that my story and my experience again the right time, 686 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: right place, right moment, even for the issue because it 687 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: sort of becoming a bigger subject on this sort of 688 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: global development stage, but also here in the US around 689 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: maternal health and women and girls die every year, and 690 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of them die every year, and you know, 691 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: millions more have lifelong disabilities or complications or can't have 692 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: other pregnancies because of it. So it just grew and grew, 693 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: and the more I learned, the more I felt like 694 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to do and I felt pulled to do. 695 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: And I'm still feeling pulled and doing as much as 696 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: I can. 697 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: Not knowing where to start, Christie started with storytelling while 698 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: she was pregnant with her son. She was invited by 699 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 3: an aid organization called Care to visit Elsalbador to see 700 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: the work they were doing so she could potentially act 701 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: as an ambassador. 702 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: And I think just all the pieces came together. 703 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: I mean, like my mom's birth country, I'm pregnant, it 704 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: had the first pregnancy experience or complication postpartum, and suddenly, 705 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: like everything that we visited during the week that I 706 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: was there with CARE just fell differently. You know. I 707 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: was like, I like to say, through a mother's eyes, 708 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: because it really was I think every bumpy road, every like, 709 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: I just noted how few cars there were, like paved roads, 710 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: non paved roads, Like it just was like exit strategy, 711 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 2: you know, like what's going on? And I think that 712 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: was really the beginning of the what will I do? 713 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: So when he was a little over one, I reached 714 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 2: out to CARE and I said, I want to do 715 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: more on maternal health, Like let's let's I want to 716 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: see more work. So we went down to Peru in 717 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: South America and they showed me a project that really 718 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: sticks with me to this day because it was an 719 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: area that had had really high rates of maternal mortality 720 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: but they have those rates in like five years, which 721 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: at the time I didn't know how big of a 722 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: deal that was, but it's a huge deal. But I 723 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: wanted to go see it, and so I got to 724 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: see like how they were able to do that and 725 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: go into the communities, visit the clinics, see the very 726 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: kind of simple solutions that they implemented, but really like 727 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: effective and human centered and just kind and respectful and 728 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: treating people with dignity, and like simple simple things, but 729 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 2: just making people feel welcome in the health setting, and 730 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 2: like respecting and allowing for traditional practices to happen if 731 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 2: it made women feel more comfortable. Simple things. And I 732 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: came back from that experience and thought, I know what 733 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. 734 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm wanna make it. I'm make a documentary. I'm want 735 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: to make a film. 736 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: And I've always loved documentary films. I thought one day 737 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 2: I'll learn how to make one. But I didn't take 738 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: the time to learn how to make one. I just 739 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna do it. I came home and 740 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: I said to my husband, I know the thing I'm 741 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 2: going to make a film about. And he's like what, 742 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: And I told him. 743 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: He was like, go for it. Do it. 744 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 2: That I thought, I'll just this will be my contribution. 745 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: Let the other organizations take it from here. But of course, 746 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: when it was finished with a social issue film, it's 747 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 2: like this is the beginning. 748 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: It's not the end. 749 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: And so we launched a website to go with the film, 750 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: and rather and call the website or the campaign to 751 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 2: go with the film, No No Cry, we called it 752 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: Every Mother Counts. And I think that Every Mother Counts 753 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: campaign it just became what it needed to become because 754 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 2: people's interest and their ability to share their stories and 755 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: help advocate and engage in a deep way but in 756 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: a very personal way, it just became like, that's what's needed, 757 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 2: and that's what we're going to be. And so, like 758 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 2: fourteen years in now, we've we've made a lot of impact. 759 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 2: We've invested more than forty two million dollars in community 760 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: led organizations around the world, made lots of films highlighting 761 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: and amplifying models of care and individuals who are working 762 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 2: in the communities that they serve, like just really showing 763 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 2: how it should be done, how it's done well, what 764 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: should be scaled, what should be invested in, and then 765 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: using those stories and those models of care to help 766 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: make the case for policy change. So our special Spock 767 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: Sauces is really that it's the amplification of the stories 768 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: and the individuals and the advocating for policy change that's 769 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: going to improve not just the experience for marginalized mothers, families, communities, 770 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: but really everyone. I think even when it goes really well, 771 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: even in New York City or in the best hospitals 772 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: that we have, it could be better. 773 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 3: It could be better, and it can be better. Maternal 774 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 3: mortality is on the rise, with Black women three times 775 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 3: more likely to die from pregnancy related causes. The World 776 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: Health Organization reported that two hundred and eighty seven thousand 777 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: women died during and following childbirth in twenty twenty. The 778 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 3: numbers are staggering, and organizations like Every Mother Counts are 779 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 3: vital to the worldwide effort to improve maternal health outcomes. 780 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 2: I want to talk about this. I want to talk 781 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,959 Speaker 2: about it with as many women as I can. Because 782 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 2: I started talking about my experience and learning from so 783 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: many other people that they'd had similar experiences, It's like, 784 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: why are we not talking about that's why are we 785 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 2: not sharing our stories that could help better prepare us 786 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 2: for motherhood, for a parenthood. 787 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 4: And you said that you've had points of reinvention in 788 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 4: your life, like points of renewal in your life. Do 789 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 4: you think you'll renew again? 790 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: I don't think it would be such a like I 791 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: think like these have all been moving in the same direction. 792 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: I see myself as being an advocate on this issue 793 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: for the rest of my days because I don't see 794 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 2: it being solved in my lifetime, sadly, so as long 795 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 2: as it takes. But I still have a lot of curiosity, 796 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 2: a lot of interests, are still places I want to get, 797 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 2: Like my husband's like, haven't you been everywhere? 798 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: Like Nope, I have not. 799 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 2: I still have experiences I want to have, and I 800 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 2: think I'm in that phase of parenting that like my 801 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 2: youngest is going to college next year, so it's not 802 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 2: like the empty nests or the launching or any of 803 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 2: those things in I hate cliches, to be honest, so 804 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: if I see when I. 805 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: Go the other way. 806 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: But I do see myself and have been working to 807 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: it's a different phase of like what's my life look 808 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 2: like now? And if I'm not tied to a school schedule, 809 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: I guess the temptation would be just to dig in 810 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 2: and work more, which isn't healthy. But there are aspects 811 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: of the work that I do that I love to 812 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 2: do that I have been a little bit harder to 813 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 2: do because I still you know, I still am a 814 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: mom first, and so I come back and is everybody okay? 815 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 2: And then I can go off and do things. But 816 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 2: I think just having a little bit of more flexibility, 817 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: a little bit more space to be spontaneous. Well, speaking 818 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 2: of being a mom first, your daughter is now going 819 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: into modeling, like into the same fields that you had 820 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 2: been in. She turns her knife into her own heart. 821 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: Yes, she is. 822 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 2: It's hard for me and I think about this a 823 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 2: lot because I don't love that she's doing it. 824 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: But I'm like, why don't I love it? Why don't 825 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: I love it? 826 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: Early on, I would never have encouraged it because I 827 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 2: don't think that young people need to be out there 828 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: in the world selling clothes and products to grown people. 829 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: I just don't. 830 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 2: As much as I loved my own freedom at the time, 831 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 2: I was kind of escaping a very different like my 832 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what my path would have been if 833 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 2: I hadn't done it, and it really did give me 834 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 2: like a direction. 835 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: My daughter doesn't need that same thing, but I get. 836 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: That she wants it, and I get that she's also 837 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: interested in being more independent. She's a student first, which 838 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm happy about. Like I got that through when she 839 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 2: told me like, I don't know, maybe four years ago. 840 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 2: She's like, I want to tell you something, but I 841 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: know you're not going to like it. You're not going 842 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 2: to approve. And I was like, what, Like, I want 843 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 2: a model. I was like, oh, she always hated her 844 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 2: picture taken as a kid. And I was like, I'm 845 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 2: never gonna have to worry about this. I'm so glad 846 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 2: she hates it. 847 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, she hates it. 848 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: And suddenly you probably like sixteen or as a teenager, 849 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, cared about fashion all of 850 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 2: a sudden, like has the people in her universe that 851 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 2: are influencers that she thinks are cool or interesting or 852 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 2: exciting to watch. So I said to her when she 853 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 2: told me that, I was like, okay, okay, okay, but 854 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: when you are eighteen and when you are already in college, 855 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 2: those are my and a third one it has to 856 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 2: be with my agent because I don't trust anybody. I 857 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: don't trust them, any of them. And there are plenty 858 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 2: of great people in the industry and people that I 859 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 2: can be friendly with and like, I can appreciate them, 860 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't want I wouldn't trust my daughter with them. Anyway, 861 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 2: under those conditions, she has been like dabbling. She's in 862 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 2: her second year, almost at the end of her second 863 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 2: year at NYU. It's in the same program that I 864 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 2: went to at NYU, which I didn't plan for, but 865 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 2: was a good fit for her also, and she's thriving 866 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 2: as a student. And she's a great group of girlfriends 867 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 2: and a great roommates, and like, they travel and they 868 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 2: are interesting, and they are creative, and they photograph each 869 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: other and they write poetry. I mean, they're so cool 870 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 2: and interesting. So who am I to say that, like 871 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 2: it's a bad thing. There's lots of good things. But 872 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 2: I think I've set her on a path, and I 873 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 2: think she understands why I was a little bit reluctant, 874 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 2: or why it's protection and it's love, I think with 875 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 2: both of my children, or I think I would be 876 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 2: with anyone who I love. Like the possibilities, all the 877 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 2: scenarios they flash through your mind, right, and all I 878 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 2: can think of is those. 879 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: And also I grew up. 880 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 2: With people in the industry who had some horrible things happen, 881 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 2: and so just the knowledge and my daughter is smart 882 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 2: and she's self possessed and all the things. But she's 883 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 2: still a human, she's still a young woman, she's still 884 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 2: vulnerable in our world today. 885 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 4: Sadly, what is something that at the time you thought, oh, 886 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 4: this is such a low point, I'm really not chuerman 887 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 4: to make myself. I'm going to get my way out 888 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 4: of this, And now in retrospect you see it as 889 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 4: having really launched you to who you are now, to 890 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 4: where you are now. 891 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 2: I think one of the lowest points I've had is 892 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: like when I almost didn't marry my husband. I think 893 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 2: I started to question, like I mentioned the nine to 894 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 2: eleven and like we were moving really fast, and then 895 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 2: we had this breakup. In that time, I was like, 896 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 2: wait a minute, Like this is a good guy who's 897 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 2: like a real person, who actually truly does love me, 898 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 2: like he's treating me well, Like what's wrong with me 899 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: that I'm like pushing this person away? And I give 900 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 2: this advice to a lot of women, honestly, Like sometimes 901 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 2: and it's common, I feel like when like the real 902 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 2: one or the right one comes up, you like create 903 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 2: all this stuff to be like that's not the right one, 904 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I really I was like 905 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 2: really poking holes, he's not the right one, and he was, 906 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,720 Speaker 2: so I tell people often like especially if you're getting 907 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 2: that reaction, like listen to that reaction almost like why. 908 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,879 Speaker 2: And I did a lot of self work during that time, 909 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 2: Like when we broke up. At first, I was like, oh, 910 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't the right one. I'm so relieved, 911 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 2: like I can't believe I let that happened. And then 912 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 2: like I sort of started being like, wait a minute, 913 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 2: wait a minute, like. 914 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: No, I did that. 915 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 2: I sabotage that I just created this reason for us 916 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 2: to break up, and what if he is the right one? 917 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 2: And so I just spent time thinking about that, like 918 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 2: is it me? Like what's going on? And then when 919 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 2: I had a sense of no, I mean, I'm not 920 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure, but I think that he could 921 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 2: be really the right one. But let me go back 922 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 2: in with that awareness and that sense of responsibility on 923 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 2: my side and what I'm going to bring to the 924 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 2: table to figure out if it really is. And that's 925 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 2: what I did, and that's what's happened, and yeah, I 926 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 2: feel really really lucky and I could have easily blown that. 927 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: Well. 928 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Christie's so so wonderful to have 929 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 3: you on. 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