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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined as I am every Friday by Derek

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Speaker 1: Brown and Pat fitz Morris.

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Speaker 2: We are talking our week ten key questions. I've been

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Speaker 2: saying it all week. We are into the double digits.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to answer some key questions before this

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Speaker 1: week to help everybody really.

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Speaker 2: Make a playoff push.

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Speaker 1: You got, like, you know, four ish weeks, five ish

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Speaker 1: weeks putting the league you're in before you gotta lock

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Speaker 1: up that playoff spot. So we're gonna do our best

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Speaker 1: that we can to help you all this week and

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Speaker 1: every week. Quick reminder, all of our weekly consensus rankings

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Speaker 1: and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.

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Speaker 1: Also a reminder for everybody, we've been talking about it

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Speaker 1: all week. The teams on by, the Bengals, the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and the Titans. Lots of good players, lots

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Speaker 1: of bad defenses that we like going against, So going

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Speaker 1: to make for a slightly tougher week than usual. Even

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Speaker 1: with just in air quotes. Four teams on by, it's

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Speaker 1: still a lot, but not quite six. Still a lot

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Speaker 1: of good teams there. Again, that's Cincinnati, Dallas, Kansas City,

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Speaker 2: Fits.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off right at the very top, and we

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Speaker 1: have another. I was gonna say London game. It's a

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Speaker 1: Europe game. It's in Germany and Berlin this week Falcons Colts.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know not, I thought I hoped we

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Speaker 1: were done with these super early games. We've got one

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Speaker 1: more on the slate this season. A couple good teams, though,

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Speaker 1: at least a couple of interesting teams for fantasy. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the two best players on these

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Speaker 1: teams though, Jonathan Taylor and John Robinson. We had a

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Speaker 1: question about them last week or two weeks ago, right rather,

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Speaker 1: and we are sitting here with them coming off of

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Speaker 1: a couple of bad games again. Now Bijon made up

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Speaker 1: for it a bit in the passing game, but they

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Speaker 1: rushed for forty five and forty six yards respectively in

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Speaker 2: So fit's starting with you.

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Speaker 1: Between Taylor and Robinson, two of the three best running

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Speaker 1: backs in fantasy, who is a better chance of bouncing

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Speaker 1: back this week?

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Speaker 3: I think it's Taylor for three reasons. One, the Colts

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Speaker 3: are favored by six and a half points on hard

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Speaker 3: rock bats, so Taylor and the Cults are more likely

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Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 3: Taylor is the better matchup. Falcons are giving up one

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Speaker 3: hundred point five rushing yards per game to running backs.

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Speaker 3: The Colts are only giving up seventy point one rushing

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Speaker 3: yards per game to running backs. Three. Taylor gets greater

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Speaker 3: rushing volume than Bijon. He's averaging seventeen point four carries

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Speaker 3: a game. Bijon has only had fourteen point eight carries

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Speaker 3: a game, mostly because the Falcons have a second back

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Speaker 3: they like, Tyler al jiis sixty three carries this year.

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Speaker 3: Colts running backs other than Jonathan Taylor collectively have thirty

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Speaker 1: Deebro, what do you think, because you know Taylor might

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Speaker 1: have more of the rushing equity, of course, with Bijeon

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Speaker 1: of close that gap of it. Who do you think

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Speaker 1: bounces back this week more so?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna agree with FITZI and just more on

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Speaker 4: the matchup. I mean, the Atlanta Falcons run defense since

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Speaker 4: Week five. I mean, outside of rushing yards, they have

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Speaker 4: juxtapose that with the Colts rushing defense in the same stats,

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Speaker 4: they have the eighth highest stuff rate and they have

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think the is easily jt Okay.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot in this game, just because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the guys, especially on Atlanta, are you know,

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Speaker 1: quotes to some degree. The one guy that I do

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Speaker 1: want to follow up on. I didn't put this in

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Speaker 1: all week is Alec Pierce, and it's it's something that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean, look, I've been talking about it

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Speaker 4: for the last few weeks. It's Alec Pierce feeding families

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Speaker 4: versus single high coverage, and he's gonna do it again

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Speaker 4: this week. Man. Like Atlanta runs the top three route

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Speaker 4: rate of single High and Alec Pierce has put up

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Speaker 4: elite wide receiver one numbers, And I want to be

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Speaker 4: very specific when I talk about this. He has put

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Speaker 4: up elite per route wide receiver one numbers against single

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Speaker 4: twenty seven percent target share, three point six nine yards

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Speaker 4: those are Jamar Chase level numbers on a per route

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Speaker 3: It's like Pierce has just generally been really good this year.

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Speaker 3: He's aving like over seventy yards a game and he

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So he's just like, yes, single High expect him to smash,

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Speaker 3: but in other matchups two, Like, I think Alec Pierce

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Speaker 4: It fitsy. I got a real quick question here because

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Speaker 4: he is finished as a top twenty four wide receiver

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Speaker 4: and two of the last three games. He's a guy

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Speaker 4: I'm struggling with, like where do you rank him this week? Like?

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Speaker 4: How high is too high for Alk Pierce because with

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Speaker 4: good we're thinn at wide receiver this week, and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I keep nudging him up the ranks, man, And I'm like,

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Speaker 4: is it like Alex Peers versus Ted Roy McMillan is

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Speaker 4: a real conversation, Like is it too high to push

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Speaker 3: I've got him wide receiver twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm at twenty seven. I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: So hey, the guys ahead of him, you could make

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Speaker 3: a case that he like right now, I've got him

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Speaker 3: right behind Quenton Johnston and Jordan Addison. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, Alex Peers versus DK metcalf is a

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Speaker 4: real conversation too. People may not be ready to have that,

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Speaker 1: Is just to provide some context. He's not ranked in

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Speaker 1: that range in consensus. He's in the mid thirties. He's

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Speaker 1: so really it's more like wide receiver thirty two of

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Speaker 1: with guys like ted Ro macmillan and DK Metcalf in

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Speaker 1: PPR scoring, So you guys are definitely ahead of consensus

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Speaker 1: on that. And by the way, I very intentionally did

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Speaker 1: not ask you anything about the game last night.

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Speaker 2: I could not have lessened that.

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Speaker 3: I had to hold my eyeballs in my sockets because

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Speaker 3: they wanted to jump out of my skull and leave

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Speaker 3: the room.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, it was just a nasty game. And I

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Speaker 4: think this more goes back to the volatility of I

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Speaker 4: said this a few weeks ago. Bo Nix has regressed

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Speaker 3: His rookie season, Like it is he's.

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Speaker 4: Not only just matchup sensitive, like the volatility. And I

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Speaker 4: And then he goes out and has like a like

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Speaker 4: oh you think that, And I'm like, yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 4: Like fine, he had like the amazing quarter, and it's like,

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Speaker 4: have you looked at the rest of his season, Like

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Speaker 4: he's been a roller Coaster.

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Speaker 2: Man, it made me think of it.

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Speaker 1: I actually tweeted this before to the Fantasy pros ac

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Speaker 1: count like years ago, and people got mad that it

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Speaker 1: was an inappropriate meme, so I didn't do it again.

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Speaker 1: But it made me think of the meme with Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Dahmer where he's like, we're gonna hang out and he's

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Speaker 2: We're gonnat this and then you can leave.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I feel like I'm being forced to

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Speaker 2: It just was like, I mean hard. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: one of those games.

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Speaker 1: It's like Colts Broncos from a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 4: So I've started a tradition trying to just keep myself

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Speaker 4: saying healthy and energetic, and a lot of Thursday nights

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of Thursday nights where I'm like, man,

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Speaker 4: I really don't want to go. I want to watch

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Speaker 4: the game. Didn't feel like that last night, didn't feel

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Speaker 4: like that at all, didn't like I missed anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's go to a game. That has the chance

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Speaker 1: to be pretty ugly. Also, Saints at Panthers Tedero McMillan

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Speaker 1: has been under fifty yards receiving in three of his

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Speaker 1: last four weeks, and he still has only scored a

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Speaker 1: they both came in the same game, so every other

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Speaker 1: game he has zero. ECR still has him just outside

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Speaker 1: currently at wide receiver twenty one. And I guess again,

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Speaker 1: if you take out Sutton, who was already played and

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Speaker 1: but at what point is he no longer a borderline

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Speaker 1: must start fantasy wide receiver? Because I feel like we

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Speaker 1: touchdowns haven't come either. So again, we still love the player,

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Speaker 1: But deebra, I'll start with you, at what point is

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Speaker 1: he no longer a borderline must start a fantasy wide receiver?

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Speaker 4: We're already there, man. I mean, I've got him right

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Speaker 4: now as wide receiver twenty seven and he's been wide

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Speaker 4: is doing everything that he can in his power given

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Speaker 4: the constraints of the quarterback play and the passing volume

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Speaker 4: that is being allotted to him, there's nothing else he

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Speaker 4: can do about it. But this Carolina Panthers offense is

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Speaker 4: just strangling the life out of him. I mean, whether

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Speaker 4: it's a volume conversation, whether it's crappy quarterback play, whether

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Speaker 4: it's a combination and honestly both weekly it's tough for Tet,

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Speaker 4: And that's why I wrote it up in the primer.

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Speaker 4: Like you're looking for blurbs on Lagette and Cocher, you

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Speaker 4: ain't gonna find them because they're not playable. Man. Caroline

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Speaker 4: has been so stinking run heavy that the passing volume,

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Speaker 4: had the second highest neutral rushing rate and overall rushing rate.

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Speaker 4: So pick your poison here. Whether you want to talk

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, he's only finished higher than wide receiver twenty seven

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Speaker 3: Well, generally, the whole must start thing depends on league context.

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young has averaged twenty five pass attempts. That is

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Speaker 3: Tetoroe McMillan played a really good game against the Packers

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't a good game for fantasy. Four catches

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Speaker 3: might be ranking Tetorohan McMillan is like a low end

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Speaker 4: To all this point. I want to wrap a bow

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Speaker 4: on this worm. Go out and trade for him in Dynasty.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead and get him, because the better days are ahead, dude,

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Speaker 4: better days they're going to I don't see a way

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because I was going

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Speaker 2: But would you trade him away and Redraft?

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Speaker 4: I think it just comes down to what are you

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Speaker 4: going to get for him? And I don't know if

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Speaker 4: ted romeown And it's not down the case like like

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Speaker 4: fifty and I have laid out here. Has nothing to

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Speaker 4: He's doing everything he can. But the fact that there's

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Speaker 4: if you could do that, sure go at it happen.

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Speaker 1: I think you get more than a bag of peanuts, though,

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Speaker 4: You couldn't even get, not to jump ahead of the

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Speaker 4: get Could you get Kyle Manongai right now? For Tedroo McMillan,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's correct or not, but I think

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Speaker 3: Probably maybe well, let's let's.

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Speaker 1: Get into that next game. It's Giants at Bears. We're

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Speaker 2: It was funny.

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Speaker 1: about Caleb Williams. This stat comes from somebody named Direct Brown.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where he works. He's at Debro, Underscore, f FB,

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Speaker 1: whoever that is, on Twitter, slash x. But this this

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Speaker 1: There have been eight games for Caleb Williams this season.

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Speaker 1: Four times he has been QB ten or better. Four

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Speaker 1: times he's been QB twenty or worse. He has not

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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna get the top ten version and

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Speaker 4: the best sucking contextualize the season that we're getting from

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams right now, he's twenty twenty four Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 4: He's Kyler Murray last year. You don't know when to

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Speaker 4: of this. There's a little more steaking into with Caleb,

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Speaker 4: I will say this year because of the matchups, and

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Speaker 4: he's twenty eighth in accurate throw rate, thirtieth and catchable

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Speaker 4: target rate. The Giants pass defense been struggling, man like

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Speaker 4: I think you get good Caleb this.

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Speaker 1: Week, Fitz, Do you agree, like if I put it

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Speaker 3: If it's a binary thing, I am on the good

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Speaker 3: So the case for top ten Caleb is that the

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Speaker 3: the Bears offensive line has just been so good in

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Speaker 3: So right now I have got him at tight end nine,

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Speaker 1: look at something like this where it's like, oh, hey,

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Speaker 1: what a fun game, you know, top ten pick has

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Speaker 1: the pedigree we're hoping to see this happen. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, you could say, like, well, he had a

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Speaker 1: fifty yard touchdown that was kind of fluky, broke off

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Speaker 1: three tacklers that like makes the day look a lot

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Speaker 1: better than it really was. He is tight end ten

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Speaker 1: for the week, that is for this week's rankings in

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Speaker 1: half PPR.

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Speaker 2: Does that sound too high? Too lower? Just right?

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Speaker 4: For you? It's too high because I think col commet

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Speaker 4: Like to Fitzi's point, I think he does clear and

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Speaker 4: I think he does play, and that the breakout for

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Speaker 4: Lovelin happened. And I want to be very clear about this,

447
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Speaker 4: Like over the last two games for the Bears, like

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Speaker 4: Colecommett had at a concussion and a back injury. So

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Speaker 4: you look at Week six and that's the last game

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Speaker 4: that we have where both of these guys were absolutely healthy,

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Speaker 4: and during that game, Coaston Lovelin at a thirty nine

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Speaker 4: percent route chair cole Comette was at thirty percent, like

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Speaker 4: they were splitting the routes up. So I if cole

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Speaker 4: Comet is active, it's going to impact Colston Loveland's rout

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Speaker 4: chair Ben Johnson has been so stubborn about integrating these

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Speaker 4: rookies at a high level, like Luther Burton, even when

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Speaker 4: he's been healthy, has not overtaken Alamadae Zakias and people

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Speaker 4: keep we keep waiting for that to happen, and it's

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Speaker 4: not happening, and they're winning games. So I don't think

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Speaker 4: that changes. And the same thing with Couston Loveland, like

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Speaker 4: he had a wonderful game versus the Bengals, but you

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Speaker 4: talk about the flukiness, the fact that cole Comet got

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Speaker 4: knocked out of the game very early. And then also

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Speaker 4: we can also point to the matchup this week is

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Speaker 4: not it's not horrible, but it's not like a smash

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Speaker 4: matchup for tight ends, Like I mean, the Giants are

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Speaker 4: fourteen FEWUESS receiving yards per game overall, sixteenth and schedule

468
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Speaker 4: adjusted fantasy points per game to tight ends of the

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Speaker 4: last five games, so it's okay, and he can succeed,

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Speaker 4: but it's not like he's playing the Bengals and you're like,

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Speaker 4: all right, gotta fire him up, let's go. So I

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Speaker 4: kind of lean more to the negative side only because

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Speaker 4: of the other factors that play here.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly give me your answer. Don't need to elaborate.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts or Coulson Loveland this week, you bro.

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Speaker 4: It's not even close, like not, if not even close.

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Speaker 2: They're close to ECR fits. Do you also see it

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Speaker 2: the fits?

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Speaker 3: If Comet plays, it's going to be pets for me too.

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Speaker 4: Kyle Pits is a top ten tight end for me

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Speaker 4: this week? Easy top ten?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, they're both inside top ten in ECR, but

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Speaker 1: in very close in the back end of ease here.

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Speaker 1: Next game here, guys, Jaguars at Texas. No Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior banged up. Now, Jacoby Myers in town.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what that looks like week one. He's been

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Speaker 1: kind of the name we've talked about from this game

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Speaker 1: all week fits. How startable is Parker Washington against the

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Speaker 1: tough Houston defense this week?

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Speaker 3: I don't really want to start any of the Jaguars receivers,

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Speaker 3: and it is tough to guess at the target distribution

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Speaker 3: between Parker Washington, the newly acquired Jacoby Myers, and Dianmi

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Speaker 3: Brown is coming back from a concussion. Plus you said

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Speaker 3: it where I'm the Texans have a tough pass defense,

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Speaker 3: like I've got Parker Washington ranked wide receiver forty one,

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Speaker 3: and even that feels too high. And just one thing

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Speaker 3: about props to hard rock Bets. They were the only

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Speaker 3: receiving yardage in his first game with the Jaguars, which

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Speaker 3: was at forty forty one and a half. I want

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Speaker 3: to say, and I promptly bet the under on that.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you this question first, fits and then I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask you the same question de Broke, because

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Speaker 1: they're very close in the flex rankings for the this

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Speaker 1: week in this game?

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Speaker 2: Would you rather start Woody Marx or Parker Washington?

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Speaker 4: Mark Max?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, think it's there are only a couple spots

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Speaker 1: apart in the flex rankings and consensus again, that's half

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Speaker 1: PPR scoring.

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Speaker 2: Debro you said you agree on Marx.

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Speaker 4: Yep, easy Marks, And I've got Washington to wide receiver

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Speaker 4: thirty seven, and that feels too high right now. I'm

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Speaker 4: probably gonna bump him down some like.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's exactly what consensus is, is wide receiver thirty Oh?

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Speaker 4: Is it? Okay? Yeah? The thing about it and I

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Speaker 4: haven't I got to die back him into him for

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Speaker 4: the primer updates because of figuring out who's gonna play

553
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Speaker 4: and who's not is going to be trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out what his role is because he's flipped looped between

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Speaker 4: being a perimeter wide receiver and a slot wide receiver

556
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Speaker 4: depending on the matchup and depending on like who's been

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Speaker 4: healthy the last few weeks. But regardless of however you

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Speaker 4: slice this matchup, it's not good for Parker Washington. Like

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Speaker 4: Houston overall has given up the second fewest schedule adj

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Speaker 4: just a fantasy points per game to wide receivers overall,

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Speaker 4: you splice that into perimeter wide receivers, second fewest again,

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Speaker 4: ninth few is to slat receiver. So anyway where they

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Speaker 4: move him outside or they stick him inside, it's not

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Speaker 4: gonna be a good week for Parker Washington. You're really

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Speaker 4: just playing volume for him as a flex play. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Just because there's kind of quick conversation on Washington rest

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Speaker 1: of season, Jacoby Myers, what does he fit in for

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Speaker 1: you guys, now that we've had a few days to

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Speaker 1: kind of ruminate on the trade and think about it

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Speaker 1: and really sit with it, where does he kind of

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Speaker 1: fall into your expectations. I mean, obviously Brian Thomas Junior

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Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter will be back at some point and

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Speaker 1: healthier at some point. Myers is a good player rest

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Speaker 1: of the season. When I ask you that question, de Bro,

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Speaker 1: what's the first kind of number that comes to mind.

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Speaker 4: I've just pulled it up. Wide receiver forty nine, Like

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Speaker 4: I think he's like forty nine fringe like wide receiver

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Speaker 4: four or five territory, Like he's living somewhere in the

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Speaker 4: josh down. Like I've actually got all these Jaguars guys

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Speaker 4: like couple together in the low like low forties, high fifties,

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Speaker 4: like Myers, Washington and Travis Hunter because we don't know

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Speaker 4: what his health outlook. Because you could take that trade

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Speaker 4: and say, okay, does this mean we get Travis Hunter

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Speaker 4: back and they're just trying to add to the cupboard

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Speaker 4: or is this more gloom and doom? And do we

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Speaker 4: see Travis Hunter for the rest of the season. So

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Speaker 4: somewhere in that low wide receiver four high wide receiver

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Speaker 4: five territory And people might think that's too low, but

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Speaker 4: I mean, help tell me, why.

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Speaker 3: Not same range for you, Fitz, I've got him wide

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Speaker 3: receiver fifty. He's right behind your guy or right ahead

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Speaker 3: of your guy Rashad Bateman, or it's just like eventually

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Speaker 3: Travis Hunter comes back. BTJ is there Myers is this

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Speaker 3: third piece in a not great passing attack. So like,

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Speaker 3: I think he's a bench player.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Bills at Dolphins. Which players ranking in

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Speaker 1: this game? Do you guys most disagree with Fitz? We's

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Speaker 1: start with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little below consensus on James Cook. I mean

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Speaker 3: in this is splitting hairs because you're starting him. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I've got him ranked running back six and consensus is

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Speaker 3: running back four. I like Jamier Gibbs and Devon ah

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Speaker 3: Chan a little more this week, and I know running

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Speaker 3: backs have been carving up the Miami defense this year.

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Speaker 3: But Cook has this ankle issue that caused him to

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Speaker 3: mispractice on Wednesday and send people into a panic and

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Speaker 3: be speculating about Ray Davis or Ty Johnson being the

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Speaker 3: preferred backup. But maybe with the ankle thing, the Bolt

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Speaker 3: Bills pullback on Cook's workload a little bit. And Cook

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Speaker 3: only has two targets and one catch in his last

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Speaker 3: four games. He isn't adding anything as a receiver lately.

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Speaker 3: So obviously the rushing numbers have been sensational, but that's

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Speaker 3: where he is doing all his business.

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Speaker 1: This could prove to be, you know, poorer analysis by me,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about the foot ankle stuff, just because,

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Speaker 1: like it from it's what it seems like from I

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Speaker 1: was seeing some of these videos on Twitter like that

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Speaker 1: this happened earlier in last week's game, and he's still

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Speaker 1: rushed for twenty seven like attempts in that game. So

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Speaker 1: they didn't seem to be dialing it back in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Now maybe like you know, you have the adrenaline going

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Speaker 1: and it starts to feel worse later in the week, But.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not that worried about it.

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Speaker 1: And even if he does have a limited workload, like

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Speaker 1: how many rushes do you need against this Miami run

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Speaker 1: defense to have a great day if you're James Cook,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that many. So obviously you saw him

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Speaker 1: inside your top six. You're not fading James Cook, But

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Speaker 1: just compared to some of these other elite options that

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Speaker 1: you might have Debro, what do you think who's the

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Speaker 1: player that you are either fading or more aggressive on?

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Speaker 2: Ranking highly in this game?

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Speaker 4: So since week two, I'm gonna give you the weekly

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Speaker 4: finishes for this wide receiver seventy six, sixty nine, fifty

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Speaker 4: forty three, seventy six, fifty seven and sixty seven. Why

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Speaker 4: in the ever love and heck are we ranking Keon

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Speaker 4: Coleman as a wide receiver forty three and easy? Are

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Speaker 4: tell me that? Why is he inside the top fifty?

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Speaker 4: Why is he on any roster? Why is he not dropable?

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Speaker 4: Like why you.

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Speaker 3: Said since week two? Well, what was week one?

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Speaker 4: Week? Week one? Week one was wide receiver? Two? Can

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Speaker 4: we spot the outlier family? Can we? Like? No?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 4: I just I can't. Keon Coleman's not playable even if

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Speaker 4: we wanted to. Half the positive narrative, the Miami's secondary

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Speaker 4: versus perimeter wide receivers has actually been improving over the

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Speaker 4: last few weeks, and they didn't trade I thought Raszilla

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Speaker 4: Douglas was gone. They didn't trade him, And then you

650
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: look at the coverage shell it's horrible for Keon colban Man,

651
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 4: Like Miami has the fourth highest rate of too high

652
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: versus two high Keon Colbyn fourteen percent target per route

653
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: run rate zero point eight two yards per route run.

654
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: It's not good, Like I don't, I just don't understand,

655
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: Like why Keon Coleman's even on fantasy rosters at this point?

656
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: Like have we not seen enough?

657
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: I It's funny because I knew when you were reading

658
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the numbers that those it wasn't Khalil Shakir's game log,

659
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: because I know he's been better than what you were saying.

660
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: But I almost when you said that you were going

661
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: to have a receiver that you were gonna discuss here,

662
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: I almost thought it might have been Shakir because he

663
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: has not been, you know, that productive for fantasy managers

664
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: either this year, Like three of the last four weeks,

665
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: he's been wide receiver fifty three, forty nine, and fifty

666
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: two excluding his bye week that he had in there.

667
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, he had one game where he was wide

668
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: receiver six this season, but even that game, it was

669
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: just a down week in Week eight for the position

670
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: because he was wide receiver six with fourteen point eight

671
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: fantasy points. That's not that like explosive huge of a day.

672
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: He does not have one hundred yards receiving in a

673
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: game this season. He's only top seventy yards receiving in

674
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: a game once this season, just three touchdowns. And this

675
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: is what the bill is not having a very strong

676
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: receiving course. So like I look at Shakiro ranked wide

677
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: receiver thirty one, and I like, again, I knew you're

678
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: you weren't talking about him when he started reading the

679
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: game LOGSDRO, but I almost wondered if he was gonna

680
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: come up because I'm just like, I don't really want

681
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: to be starting Shakiro all that badly this weekend.

682
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the ceiling is not high with Shakiro.

683
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: I will say, like he's he's a stable wide receiver three.

684
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: Like against this same secondary in Week three he was

685
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: wide receiver twenty five, so I know he's living off

686
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: of touchdowns. The volume's not amazing. If you're playing Shakira,

687
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: you got to know what you're getting yourself into. It's

688
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: probably forty to fifty yards and you're praying he gets

689
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: a touchdown. If he gets the touchdown, he's in wide

690
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: receiver three territory. If he doesn't get the touchdown, then

691
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: you're probably like, oh, good Lord, why do I do this?

692
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: It's crazy that JOHNH. Shllon is a leading MVP candidate.

693
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: The Bills are one of the best, strongest Super Bowl

694
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: contenders in the AFC, and there is no pass catcher

695
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: you want to use in this offense, like maybe Dalton Kincaid,

696
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: even Kincaid isn't getting like heavy target volume.

697
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 4: No, he's not.

698
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: It's just that they have this terrible well at least

699
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: terrible for fantasy. Everybody eats Ethos in Buffalo, so we're

700
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: seeing all these targets squandered on guys like Jackson Hawes

701
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: and Dawson Knox, Elijah Moore, Curtis Samuel Tyrrell Shavers. Yeah,

702
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: it's just kind of not desirable for all the pass catchers.

703
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: You just want Josh Allen, that's it.

704
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: And if it's the all that on top of that,

705
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: like I think it has been terrible man, Like that

706
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: passing attack is honestly kind of limited, like when the

707
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: teams can just sitting too high and then play downhill

708
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: on them. Where's they have no field stretchers in this offense? None?

709
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: It does look like a Cliff Kingsbury offense.

710
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, horse on a raid in Buffalo.

711
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 2: Baby, It's funny.

712
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: Like I feel I don't feel like Josh Allen should

713
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: be lead like the leading MVP, you know, odds, but

714
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know who else I would make the case

715
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: for instead, Like the Chiefs have lost too many games

716
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: even though its been great.

717
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Lamar's miss time.

718
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Burrow obviously out for most of the year, like Drake May,

719
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: is it a year too early? At is it's gonna

720
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: be more of like a next year thing. I'm like,

721
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't and you know, it's not gonna be a

722
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: non quarterback. Despite the people who like, you know, enjoy

723
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: to talk about like Jonathan Tailor.

724
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: Your MVP Canada. Right here is Matthew Stafford. Baby, That's

725
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: who it is.

726
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Stafford has been on.

727
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 4: He's playing at a level. He's gonna win the West,

728
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: He's gonna win probably twelve games. He's playing some of

729
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: the best statistical football of his career. It should be

730
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford.

731
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

732
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: I like, I'm trying to pull up the odds right

733
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: now and my computer is being slow.

734
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: Sid I mean, where are the Patriots without May having

735
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: the kind of season he is having?

736
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: Then? No, that's fair, that's fair.

737
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean I would give consideration to May.

738
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: I just want if people are like, you know, he's

739
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: twenty two, he's got plenty of time to win it

740
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: in the future. But like Alan has just won it

741
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: last year, and like they typically don't like to go

742
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: back to back if they can avoid it.

743
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: So that's kind of.

744
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: What Donald's dark horse is Sam Donald is absolutely in

745
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: this conversation. Yes, he should be in this conversation.

746
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Ravens had won like one or two

747
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: more games without Lamar and at least had the record,

748
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't because Lamar's stats are insane this year.

749
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Then if he like does lead them to the playoffs

750
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: coming back, I can see it. But I just think

751
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: he missed too much time to overcome, probably too much time.

752
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: But the numbers will be so I don't think he's

753
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: a real option. And I just yeah, I mean may

754
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: it might not be a bad back, and I can't

755
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: get my competer to look.

756
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: It always comes down to as well, like you got

757
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: to have not only the wins and stuff like that,

758
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 4: you gotta have you have to put up the numbers too,

759
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 4: because if you don't, you don't put up the numbers.

760
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 2: It just yeah, I just got to pull up action now.

761
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, Alan plus one fifty five on hard rock

762
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: bet Mahomes and may are both plus plus four hundred,

763
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Stafford plus five twenty five, and then the next best

764
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: is plus four teen hundred for Darnald. Like Baker, Mayfield

765
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: had a case early in the year that's been a

766
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: fallen of Herbert, like I think with just with the

767
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: offensive line stuff is not going to get there, but

768
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: I think he's been awesome this year.

769
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: Donald at fourteen to one, I'm gonna have to put

770
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: that in today. I'm gonna do it.

771
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like Donald May and Stafford like

772
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: are my favorite kind of range there. There's Darnald's a

773
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: lot lower than them in the odds, but I feel

774
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: like that's my kind of favorite range to be looking

775
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: at right now.

776
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 4: Yep, agree with though so interesting.

777
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see where that goes. Let's go to speaking

778
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: of Lamar Ravens at Vikings. I haven't saying this all week.

779
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fascinated by this game. Lamar still shaking off

780
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: the rust a bit, going up against Minnesota's blitz and

781
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: specifically Brian Flores his blitz which probably the worst game

782
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: of Lamar's career in the regular season was that Thursday

783
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: night game against the Dolphins a few years ago against

784
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: Brian Flores where he looked awful. I cannot remember him

785
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: ever looking that bad in any game of his entire career.

786
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: So he's going up against that blitz in Minnesota again,

787
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: still shaking off the rust two degree and the other

788
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: stide of JJ McCarthy, who you know, is going up

789
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: against it, improving but definitely still limited defense for Baltimore,

790
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: McCarthy is improving but still livated himself. There have been

791
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: turnovers going on, which has been kind of the key

792
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: to the Ravens turnaround on defense has been forcing more turnovers.

793
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: It's all just very fascinating for me to watch it.

794
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm really really intrigued by this, so I kind of

795
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: just want to leave it a little more wide open

796
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: for you guys and ask what the most interesting storyline

797
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: in this game is for each of you.

798
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: And Deebra I'll start with you.

799
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess I'm gonna go out on a limb

800
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: here and say, you want to talk about j McCarthy.

801
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 6: Oh, we're sitting on the same limb, sir, Yes, Yeah, dude,

802
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 6: I think it's JJ a man like I mean, looking

803
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 6: at you know, everybody wanted to bury him, looking at

804
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 6: the ups and downs of his.

805
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 4: Play healthy not healthy, all the soft benching bs that

806
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: was making the rounds on social media because people are idiotic.

807
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: I don't even understand that. It comes back to JJ

808
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: man a big time game and the vikings have to

809
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: keep winning if they want, you know, shot at the playoffs.

810
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: I don't think they're probably gonna, you know, really realistically

811
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 4: have a shot at the NFC North, But if they

812
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: want to make the playoffs, they got to keep winning.

813
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: And JJ's got to keep improving. And he's he's been

814
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 4: good or solid for Fantasy and the two healthy starts,

815
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: so he's gonn to QB eleven and QB thirteen, got

816
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: rushing in equity out of him. We've seen some of

817
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: the passing highs and the lows, so a lot to

818
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: improve here. And you talked about the Baltimore pass defense.

819
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: They've shown some improvements, but still since Week five, eleventh

820
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: most passing yards per game, fourth, highest success rate per

821
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 4: drop back allowed. So that's just another fascinating stat line

822
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: or storyline of this game. I want to see how

823
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 4: JJ plays because I was, dude, I was quietly surprised,

824
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 4: like how well he navigated pressure, what he did versus

825
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: the Lions. But also you saw some of the shortcomings

826
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: of things he still has to clean up, like he

827
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: airmailed a few short throws or when he was on

828
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 4: the move and stuff like that, so left a lot

829
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 4: of yards on the field. So JJ is definitely the

830
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: guy that or at least the storyline that I want

831
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: to talk about here.

832
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: You know, Fitz Deevro mentioned like the Vikings really need

833
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: this game to kind of, you know, keep fighting for

834
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The Ravens really need this game to keep

835
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: fighting for the playoffs. Like they lost for as little

836
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: margin of era as they had, they lost even more

837
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: of it when the Steelers upset the Colts and just

838
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: get another win on their ledgers. So it's a really

839
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: for two teams that are below five hundred, it's a

840
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: really wildly important.

841
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: Game, it is. And yeah, and dee Bro McCarthy has

842
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: to just stop like thwarting his own drives. He's just

843
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: he could have even better fantasy numbers than actually like

844
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: maybe even be a worthwhile fantasy starter if like he's

845
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: taken fourteen sacks in three starts, sex or drive killers,

846
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: He's thrown four interceptions, he's fumbled four times, like, there

847
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: are a lot of mistakes. So I'm not saying JJ

848
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: McCarthy has played good. There have been some moments, but

849
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: he has not played well in his three starts. So

850
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm more interesting where we are at with the Vikings defense.

851
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: And the matchup against Lamar, Like, I want to know

852
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 3: how we should look at Minnesota as a fantasy matchup

853
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: the rest of the way, because coming into the season

854
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: we generally thought of the Vikings as a tough defensive

855
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: match but the Vikings defense not playing so well as

856
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: of late. Coming out of the by the Vikings got

857
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: blasted by the Eagles and the Chargers. That was week

858
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: seven and eight. Before the bye, they had made the

859
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: Steelers and Browns offenses look pretty good in weeks four

860
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: and five, but last week the Vikings got Andrew van

861
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: Ginkle back from injury and he hadn't played since Week three.

862
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: I am now convinced that Van Ginkle is just the

863
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: lynch pin of the Brian Flores defense. Like the Vikings

864
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: did a really nice job of holding down the powerful

865
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: Lions offense in Detroit. Last week, Detroit had three hundred

866
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: and five yards of offense, well below their average. I

867
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: want to see how tough the Vikings make things on Lamar.

868
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I wonder I feel like a lot of the conversation

869
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: this week I when talking about this game specifically in

870
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: terms of the Ravens offense against the Vikings defense, has

871
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: been about Lamar and I've been a part of that.

872
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if this might just be kind of like

873
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: a I don't want to say surprised, but like if

874
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: this just ends up being like a Derrick Henry like

875
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: all the way back, because he's had some explosive games lately,

876
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: but it's it felt more like like it's Miami. Felt

877
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: more like he just wore him down late, right, which

878
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: is what Derek Henry does. It didn't feel like he

879
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: was just like dominating early. I wonder if this is

880
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: a game where like Derek Kennry just does kind of

881
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere and has his best Fantasy day

882
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: since Week one, with all the attention being on Lamar

883
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and obviously him opening things up for him. Maybe another week,

884
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, post injury, had this extended break with the

885
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: Thursday night game. Maybe Lamar's more mobile, which then helps

886
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: open stuff up even more for Derrick Henry. The Vikings,

887
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: I feel like if you can get past the initial

888
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: tackler like that, you can run on them, like you know,

889
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: deep into the to the second level. I just I

890
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: feel like this could be a Derek Henry game, like

891
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: when everybody's looking in a different direction.

892
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: Debro, Yeah, it's possible, and I think the the the

893
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: part that I'll definitely hammer on there is Lamar's mobility,

894
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: and another week back from the hamstring injury is going

895
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: to be critical to that because if anybody watched like

896
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: the Yes Lamar three for four passing touchdowns, he that

897
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: was fantastic. His passing acumen was definitely there. He didn't

898
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: look like Lamar Jackson. If you watch that game, he

899
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: looked tentative to run. He was not looking to run.

900
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 4: He didn't look a spry in the pocket. You could

901
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: tell he was not clearly, not one hundred percent. So

902
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: to your point, I'm I'm very interested to see what

903
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 4: version of Lamar Jackson do we get. Is the hamm

904
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: he's still not fully healthy and he's still a little

905
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: bit tentative in the pocket, and then you got Brian

906
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: Flores like like teeing off on him on the blitz

907
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 4: and some of their run game concepts are more limited

908
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: because of Lamar's hamstring. Or if he's healthier, we get

909
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: more mobile Lamar and that opens up things for Derrick Henry.

910
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: But I think Lamar's health is going to play a

911
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: huge factor in this on multiple levels.

912
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, the offensive line has not been good

913
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: this year, and so you need the mobility from the quarterback.

914
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: That's why Tyler Huntley was so much better than Cooper

915
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: rush is because he was more mobile.

916
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: And could you know.

917
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: That's a clear too.

918
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: You know it was a low bard to clear, But

919
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: like having a statue back there with this offensive line

920
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: is simply not tenable. As you know, Lamar is not

921
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: a statue obviously, but I thought Lamar was slower even

922
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: in September before getting hurt. Honestly, I remember during the

923
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: Lions game I texted one of my good friends is

924
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: a big Ravens fan.

925
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, does Lamar look slow to you?

926
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: Like?

927
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: What is going on here?

928
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's been a thing all year

929
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: and then obviously just kind of compounded with the hamstring injury.

930
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: So again I'm really fascinated by this game. What do

931
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: you guys think Ravens were minus four and a half

932
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: last I looked, maybe it moved to minus three and

933
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: a half.

934
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: What do you guys think about that?

935
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 3: I never did that against the Vikings in US Bank Stadium.

936
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: I don't think the Ravens covered that. I think it's

937
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: gonna be very, very close. I think it's comes down

938
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 4: to a lot of final pressure either I this game

939
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: is gonna come down who has the ball?

940
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Last year it's it's minus four. Now, Yeah, I don't think.

941
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would bet on the Vikings,

942
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: but I don't want to bet on the Ravens.

943
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: I think that the better. What's the total in this game?

944
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: Worm is it still was of like forty eight?

945
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: It was I felt the last die looked. Let me

946
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: pull that up.

947
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: Because I think if you're going to attack from a

948
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: betting angle, I think the total is much more of

949
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: a forty nine. Yeah, I think the total is much

950
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: more of the playground than I'm willing to the same box.

951
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: I like the under a lot, honestly.

952
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see that.

953
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the under.

954
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,440
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966
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: at Jets, Oh boy, what a fun one. How high

967
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: are you ranking Quinchin Judkins against a Jets defense that

968
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: just traded away its best players?

969
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 4: Debro does the number exist? Now? It's seriously like he's

970
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: a low end RB one. I've got him in RB twelve,

971
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: but I think the conversation starts somewhere in mid like

972
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: the low RB one range. Like, I think the conversation

973
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: you can have a really good conversation of him versus

974
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: Rico Dwdle. So like it's probably like RB seven RB

975
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: eight is where the conversation for Judkins starts. And I

976
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: mean it's they just traded away their best run stuffer

977
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: and before that, with him on this defense, since week five,

978
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 4: they just were still giving up the fifth most rushing

979
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: arts per game and they had the tenth lowest stuff rates.

980
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: So you know, the the rest of the season is

981
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: going to be start all your fantasy options versus the Jets.

982
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: They traded away their best corner, they traded away their

983
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: best defensive lineman. Just fire up the options fits.

984
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: What do you think?

985
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 4: I mean?

986
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: This is like.

987
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: It feels like the vibes could deteriorate, could deteriorate me

988
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: very quickly in New York definitely.

989
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: But I've got Judkins RB eleven. I don't think he's

990
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: in the same tier as Doubtell. We certainly like the

991
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: matchup for Judkins, but he's averaged three yards per carry

992
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: over his last three games, and you said minus two

993
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: receiving yards over his last three games. His passing game

994
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: usage is just completely dried up. So I like Judkins,

995
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: like the matchup, I just don't love the offensive ecosystem.

996
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Was there anything else else on this game I missed?

997
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean like I just didn't have any players that

998
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk about here.

999
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: Honestly, Nope, No, I think it's pretty much it. Man

1000
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: like you want to start a lot of your parts

1001
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: and pieces. But good Lord, like both these offenses are

1002
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: just borderline decrepit. The only thing I'll add edge wise

1003
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: here is I think this is quietly a good matchup

1004
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: for Breese Hall. If you look at what the Browns

1005
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: run defense has been versus the perception. Like the beginning

1006
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: of the season, they were stopping everybody in anybody, but

1007
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 4: since Week five they've given up the eleventh most rushing

1008
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: or excuse me, the eleventh most yards after contact for attempt,

1009
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: and the third highest miss tackle rate. So I will

1010
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: say I will be above consensus on breeze this week.

1011
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: Last game in the early slate Patriots at Buccaneers, looking

1012
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: lower down the rankings because some of these guys are

1013
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: very obvious starts, but looking further down, if you guys

1014
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: need a wide receiver help in Week ten, would you

1015
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: rather start Tes Johnson or Damario Douglas in this game?

1016
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: Fits Tes. Before the Buccaneers went on buying Week nine,

1017
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: Tes was wide receiver twenty four and half point PPR

1018
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: fantasy scoring over his previous four games. He need at

1019
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: least forty three receiving yards in all those games. So

1020
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: like a pretty sturdy floor. No Mike Evans for the Buccaneers.

1021
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: It looks like Chris Godwin might not be back for

1022
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: a while. Look, I realized Amario Douglas at one hundred

1023
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: yards last week, and he's weirdly become this guy who

1024
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: occasionally pops off for big plays after sort of being

1025
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: the polar opposite of a big play receiver the last

1026
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: couple of years, just this short area possession guy. But

1027
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Douglas has played less than thirty percent

1028
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: of New England's offensive snaps in seven of the patriots

1029
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 3: nine games this season, and in each of the last

1030
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: five pop Douglas hasn't played more than seventeen snaps in

1031
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: a game since Week three. Is nothing to hang your

1032
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: hat on. It's possible the Patriots give Douglas more snaps

1033
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: this week with Kishon Booty out, but Douglas is playing

1034
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: behind Stefan Diggs and Mac Collins, and the Patriots have

1035
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: been talking about a bigger role for rookie Kyle Williams,

1036
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: and last week Williams outsnap Douglas thirty one to eighteen.

1037
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: So the prop on Douglas has said at forty one

1038
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: and a half yards at hard Rock Bat and the

1039
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 3: under is one of my favorite bets of the week.

1040
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a compelling case. I like Douglas more than you,

1041
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: but that's a good case against him.

1042
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: Write seventeen or fewer snaps man five straight that's just

1043
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 3: not enough to make him reliable on fantasy.

1044
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, for anybody believing in Pop Douglas, Mac Collins says,

1045
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 4: hold your beer, so I think he's gonna get out

1046
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 4: snap Douglas. Douglas last week only had a thirty two

1047
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: percent routch here. These numbers are for Douglas last week

1048
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 4: are just not sustainable. Like he had a forty six

1049
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: percent target per route run rate. He had a thirty

1050
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 4: one percent first reach here, Like, neither one of those

1051
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 4: numbers are at all replicable. And even if you wanted

1052
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: to just say, okay, well what if Pop is a

1053
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 4: full time player? Also since week five, Tampa Bay fourth

1054
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: fewest PPR points per target to the slot, eleventh fewest

1055
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 4: receiving yards per game allowed. This is test for me

1056
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: on multiple levels. One, he's playing more snaps than two

1057
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: that the matchup is actually it's middle of the road.

1058
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 4: But he's been good versus too high coverage, which since

1059
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 4: week seven New England, fifty nine percent of the defensive

1060
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: snaps have been too high. And since tes Johnson, I

1061
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: know it's a small sample size, here is a full

1062
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 4: time ish kind of player in the Bucks passing attack.

1063
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 4: But since week six tes Johnson against two high nineteen

1064
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 4: percent target per route run rate two point zero yards

1065
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: per route run. So this is test for me too.

1066
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: I guess I'm the odd man out on Douglas. I

1067
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: would still probably go test, but I see it as

1068
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: closer than you guys too, So we'll see it plays out.

1069
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: I think maclout score him this week.

1070
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: I'll say that, Okay, all right, Yeah, that's a shy.

1071
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: I don't see it that way, but I when I

1072
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: disagree with you, I tend to trust.

1073
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: So we'll see how it goes.

1074
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Cardinals at Seahawks. This is into the late afternoon slate

1075
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: on Sunday with Jacoby Brissette the starter in Arizona. Moving forward,

1076
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: where are you ranking Marvin Harrison Junior? Both in Week ten,

1077
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: which is against a very tough Seahawks defense, but also

1078
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: rest of season with this quarterback change Debro.

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00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: Wide receiver twenty nine this week and wide receiver twenty

1080
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 4: eight rest of season. It just he's still a wide

1081
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: receiver three. He's still going to be up and down

1082
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: like as good as he's been at various times. He's

1083
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 4: still wide receiver thirty four in Fantasy points per game.

1084
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: He still only has earned an eighteen percent target share.

1085
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: Tough matchup this week, So yeah, like, I think you

1086
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 4: can make a case he's a low end wide receiver

1087
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 4: two in some weeks depending on the matchup. That is

1088
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: definitely not this week. Since Week five, Seattle has allowed

1089
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 4: the fourteenth fewest PPR points per target to perimeter wide receivers.

1090
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I mean, Marv is definitely gonna

1091
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: get a bump because Brissette is better than Kyler Murray.

1092
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: And in the year twenty twenty five, I don't know

1093
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: if anybody would have walked into the years saying that

1094
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: that's the case. But Kyler's not played good over the

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00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: last like two plus seasons.

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00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Fits he is mart Harrison junior wide receiver nineteen in

1097
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: half APR ECR. That's too high, too lower, just right.

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00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean I've got him wide receiver twenty. Like I

1099
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 3: understand debro skepticism, but like we're talking about a week

1100
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: with the Bengals Cowboys in Chiefs on buy that's like

1101
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: five or six really good receivers who are out of

1102
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: the mix. So if those guys were playing like I

1103
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: would have Harrison ranked as a high end wide receiver three.

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00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: And that's kind of where I have him rest of

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00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: season wide receiver twenty six, So I know wide receiver

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00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: twenty like with Harrison having a tough matchup against Seattle

1107
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: might seem a little lofty, but it's basically with the

1108
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: bye teams.

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00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: He's wide receiver twenty five in rest of season consensus ranking,

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00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: so right right in line with you there, Deebra, where

1111
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: is the rest of season ranking for you?

1112
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: Uh?

1113
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: He is wide receiver twenty eight, So yeah, I mean

1114
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: I've still got him in wide receiver three territory.

1115
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 2: For this week.

1116
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: Debro Marvin Harrison Junior or Tetero McMillan, I've got there

1117
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: back two spots away and ECR.

1118
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: I've legit got them back to back and I think

1119
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna flip them. I would take Marvin Harrison

1120
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: Junior just based off a volume and fits.

1121
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: It sounded like you you would take Harrison.

1122
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: Two spots higher than ten.

1123
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: All right.

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00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: rams at forty nine ers fun game here. We talked

1138
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: about him earlier. Debro Matthew Stafford has been.

1139
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: On a heater.

1140
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: He is tied for QB eight on the season in

1141
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: points per game despite offering nothing as a runner. Give

1142
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: me a surprising name that you are starting Stafford over

1143
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: this week.

1144
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 4: So I don't know if these are surprising. So I'm

1145
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: gonna kind of like throw these at the wall here.

1146
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: I've got two or three names, and you guys tell

1147
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 4: me what you think. Is Jackson dart over him surprising

1148
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: or not. I kind of feel like it's not, but

1149
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: I want to throw it out there. Daniel Jones. Is

1150
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 4: that surprising a little?

1151
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Jones and Stafford are back to back in ECR.

1152
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 4: Okay, so Daniel Jones, I just the Atlanta secondary is

1153
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 4: falling off. I think this is a good get right spot.

1154
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: We've already talked about Alec Pearce and in single high

1155
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 4: coverage and all that kind of stuff. Michael Pittman's playing amazing.

1156
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: The third name I was going to evoke in here

1157
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: is I think you can make a pretty easy case

1158
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: for Jared Golf this week. I think the Lions come

1159
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 4: out and they are ticked off. This is one of

1160
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: those spots where they just run up the freaking score

1161
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 4: and drop like a forty burger on the Commanders. So

1162
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: Golf is probably the surprising name. But I've got him

1163
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: and Stafford, I mean, like right back to back in rankings.

1164
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: So I just want to clarify for the listeners that

1165
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: I think you did to this question the reverse of

1166
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: what I intended it. I was asking who was somebody

1167
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: that you were starting Stafford over? That is a surprise,

1168
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: got it. We're starting to overta So it's it's totally fine,

1169
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: But I just want to clarify for the listeners that

1170
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: you're not saying to start Stafford over those guys. You're

1171
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: saying start those guys.

1172
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: Okay, So the flip side of that, I'll start Matthew

1173
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: Stafford over Caleb Williams, a player that we talked about earlier.

1174
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: I will easily start Matthew Stafford over him. I think

1175
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: the floor and the ceiling are definitively higher.

1176
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: That's that's reversed from ECR. So, yeah, that is a

1177
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: surprising one.

1178
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: Fits.

1179
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: What do you think who would you start Stafford over?

1180
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: That might be a surprise to people.

1181
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess Caleb Williams, but I don't think.

1182
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that should be a surprise. I don't

1183
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: know it's Baker Mayfield, a surprising name, like that's the

1184
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: name I was thinking of.

1185
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: Is was based on consensus?

1186
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've Stafford eight, and I just like, I don't

1187
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: think that's surprisingly high. I feel like that's the right

1188
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 3: ranking form. I do wish I had ranked Stafford ahead

1189
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: a bow Knicks who same.

1190
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: You could go back at time and remember, before you

1191
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: knew what happened in the game, would you have said

1192
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: Stafford over next?

1193
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you said you wouldn't have.

1194
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, not I debated those two. I debated those two

1195
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 4: in rankings all the way up to like kick off man,

1196
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: I was looking at him and I'm like, is bo

1197
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: gonna burn me? And he burned me.

1198
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one, all right.

1199
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1200
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: So, I mean, Stafford's been great all year. We like him.

1201
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: This week, you know, fun times are going to continue.

1202
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: Let's go to the last game in the late slate here,

1203
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: Lions at Commanders without Jayden and Daniels, who, by the way,

1204
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: is not gonna get surgery, I guess, and could be

1205
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: back at some point this season. I don't know that

1206
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: that makes a whole lot of sense with the Commanders

1207
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: and what I expect the record to be by the

1208
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: time he's ready to come back. But we'll see. I'm

1209
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: certainly not there this week without Jane Daniels. If you

1210
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: had to be above consensus on one Washington commander this

1211
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: week fits, who would it be.

1212
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. Chris Moore, he'll play, He'll play more

1213
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: snaps with Terry McLaurin outs Jalen Lane, more snaps for him.

1214
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: I think I'm a head of consensus on both guests.

1215
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to play any of the commanders. I

1216
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: just think they're going to be a bug on the

1217
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions windshield this Sunday.

1218
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: I totally agree, which is why I put this question heres.

1219
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Like if I if I tried to force you to

1220
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: pick somebody and you uh sneakily just picked people who

1221
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: obviously nobody would.

1222
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: Be starting with his baby, I love it.

1223
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, you couldn't pay me to start

1224
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Jacory Krossky merrit this week and the Deebo, Like, if

1225
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: you're fading him, who else are you even going to?

1226
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: Really?

1227
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz maybe a tight end catch, it's a touchdown, Like,

1228
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, so I'm with you there fits again.

1229
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 2: That's why I asked the questions, Deebro, what do you think?

1230
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: I just put Debo in here only because I firmly

1231
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 4: believe the commanders are going to be trailing Deebo versus

1232
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: Single High has not been good, and that's been one

1233
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 4: of the biggest struggles for the commanders. They don't have

1234
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: with McLaurin out, they don't have an answer for single

1235
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 4: hype coverage. They literally don't have a guy that could

1236
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 4: beat on Single High on that entire freaking roster. But

1237
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 4: if you want to have the glass have full approach

1238
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: with Debo. They're going to be trailing. Target volume in

1239
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 4: Detroit has struggled against slot wide receivers, So that's the

1240
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: pro case.

1241
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: For Debo Deebo's wide receiver twenty two.

1242
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: Though, like he's so high, I don't want to be

1243
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: above consensus somebody, I think I think the right I

1244
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: think is the right decision because tight end you could

1245
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: catch a touchdown. If if he gets a touchdown, he's

1246
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: probably gonna be higher than tight end sixteen single. I

1247
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: think it's a better bet than anybody else. I mean,

1248
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to rank him that highly,

1249
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: but I think it's a better bet than anybody else.

1250
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: In this offense not performing their ranking. It's ugly.

1251
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can actually move on pretty quickly from that one.

1252
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: Going to Staday Night football, Steelers at Chargers. The Chargers

1253
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: usual suspects are ranked in their typical ranges this week,

1254
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: according to consensus. But I find myself worried, and everybody,

1255
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people find themselves worried about

1256
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: an offensive line missing both tackles for the season, going

1257
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: up against a Steelers pass rush that got it going

1258
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: a bit last week and obviously has a lot of

1259
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: talent in the front seven. So I'm wondering deep or

1260
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: if you're fading any Chargers players this week based on

1261
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: that matchup, or are even more kind of ranking them

1262
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: along the lines of ECR.

1263
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 4: I'm not fading the Chargers players overall, man, but I

1264
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: wonder there is one that does stick out to me,

1265
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 4: like Keenan Allen is wide receiver thirty three in ECR

1266
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: right now, but the last two weeks he's wide receiver

1267
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: forty eight and he's wide receiver fifty six and weekly scoring,

1268
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 4: he's only had a fifty percent route chare So he's

1269
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: been splitting time with Ray Harris of the last two

1270
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 4: weeks and his target chair has dropped to eighteen percent. Now,

1271
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm not saying the matchup isn't good for him, and

1272
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they haven't gone to him versus single

1273
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 4: high coverage. You're gonna see a crap ton of it

1274
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: this week. But based off of what he's doing and

1275
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: the fact that his route chaer has dropped, it has

1276
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 4: dropped the floor for him as a fantasy asset, and

1277
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 4: it's capped the ceiling over the last two weeks so

1278
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: I have a hard time. Kind of part of this

1279
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 4: is the bye weeks, but I think he's ranked a

1280
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: little too aggressively.

1281
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: Where do you think fits Are you nervous about the

1282
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: Chargers at all? I mean, could be Keenan out, it

1283
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: could be somebody else. The total in this game is

1284
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: forty five, just for what it's worth on hard Rock Bet.

1285
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: But what do you think about this matchup for the

1286
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: Chargers offense?

1287
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: I'm two spots below consensus on Justin Herbert, and it

1288
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: looks like I'm a little below consensus on Lad McConkie.

1289
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm at consensus on Keenan Allen. Debro makes

1290
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: a great case. I think we should move him down.

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Speaker 3: The other thing with Keenan Allen, like with Joe Alt out,

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Speaker 3: maybe the Chargers play a little more twelve personnel and

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00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: they play like one of their tight ends who can

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Speaker 3: actually block with Gadsden, who's more of a glorified wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: which would me in a reduction and snaphare a further

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Speaker 3: reduction in snapshare for Keenan Allen. So with Herbert. Joe

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Speaker 3: alt did miss three games earlier this season, weeks five, six, seven,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't really see an adverse effect on Justin

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Speaker 3: Herbert's numbers in those three games. But two of those

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Speaker 3: three games were against the Commanders and Dolphins, really good matchups.

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Speaker 3: The other one was against the Colts, and that was

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Speaker 3: that game where the Chargers fell into that deep hole

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Speaker 3: and Herbert through fifty five passes for four hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty yards and three touchdowns. But I do expect just

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Speaker 3: overall a less functional passing game with Joe Alt out,

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Speaker 3: and maybe a less functional running game too. Like the

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Speaker 3: Chargers did trade for Trevor Penning from the Saints, but

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Speaker 3: like Alt's one of the best tackles in the league,

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Speaker 3: and Penning is just a you know, adequate starter.

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Speaker 1: We got I mentioned earlier, we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions on Kylemonung guy on the start hit stream. We

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Speaker 1: also got a lot of questions on Quentin Johnston, and

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Speaker 1: we basically never like Erickson, and I don't think ever

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Speaker 1: picked him as like a pick three guys to start,

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Speaker 1: and one of them was Johnson. We never went in

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Speaker 1: that direction. He did get a touchdown in this last game. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: he had no targets the week before, which kind of

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Speaker 1: threw everybody off. You guys, didn't really mention him. Here

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Speaker 1: are you above or below?

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Speaker 2: Consensus on Johnson just quickly fits.

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Speaker 4: Where's he think, starworm?

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00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: I think I'm two spots higher.

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Speaker 2: He's wide receiver twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm way higher. I'm way higher on QJ. This week,

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Speaker 4: I've got him at wide receiver twenty three. I think so.

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Speaker 4: For of all, I think the Chargers' injury reporting lies.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that he was clearly not healthy if

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Speaker 4: you looked at his early season target sharers. And I

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Speaker 4: know Lad was struggling during that and stuff, but still

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Speaker 4: QJ was running away with target chair and then he

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Speaker 4: just drops off the freaking map coming back from the

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Speaker 4: hamstring injury, and then he bounces back last week. This

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Speaker 4: coverage matchup is fantastic for him. Like weeks one through four,

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Speaker 4: he was there clear and easy wide receiver one versus

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Speaker 4: single high coverage, like he had a twenty five percent

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Speaker 4: target chair versus single highs. So I think if Herbert

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Speaker 4: has time in the pocket, I know that's a big

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Speaker 4: if in this game. I think QJ is gonna have

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Speaker 4: a really good game.

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Speaker 2: We are starting something new in this show.

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Speaker 1: Each week we're going to be highlighting our favorite three

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Speaker 1: and four star props from the prop bet cheat sheet

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Speaker 1: ahead of Sunday Night Football. The cheat sheet is a

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Speaker 1: wonderful resource for putting together your prop bets for the week.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna start highlighting it on Sunday Night Football's

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Speaker 1: matchup every single week, and we're gonna highight those three

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Speaker 1: and four star props. If you want the five star props,

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Speaker 1: you can go online and see those which had a

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Speaker 1: much higher hit rate. These have good hit rates too,

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Speaker 1: though I would strongly recommend checking them out. Deebra, I'll

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Speaker 1: start with you, what is your favorite prop from the

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Speaker 1: cheat sheet for Sunday Night Football?

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Speaker 4: Canny game? Well, baby, it's a four star bet on

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Speaker 4: the prop bet cheat sheet, the over for his fifteen

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Speaker 4: and a half rushing yards and that you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: to kind of book shopping here and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: It's anywhere from like fifteen and a half to I've

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Speaker 4: seen it all the way up into the twenties, so

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Speaker 4: definitely shop lines here. Our projections on the site have

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Speaker 4: his line at twenty five point one and he's hit

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Speaker 4: the over in five of seven games as a backup,

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Speaker 4: and the matchup is good on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Fitz was your favorite.

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Speaker 3: I picked Comani Vadell under, so initially it was a

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Speaker 3: four star cheat sheet bet at fifty eight and a

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Speaker 3: half rushing yards. It's down to fifty three and a

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Speaker 3: half at hard rock bat, and I still think the

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Speaker 3: under is the right percentage play. I haven't noticed if

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Speaker 3: we've downgraded that to like a three star play. But

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Speaker 3: on this week starts to show Jake Seally and I

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01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: argue Comani Videll versus Brice Hall, and Jake said he

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Speaker 3: preferred Breis by a mile. I said, I slightly preferred

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Speaker 3: Videll just because he's in a better offense and is

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Speaker 3: a better matchup like Haul gets the Browns. I know

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Speaker 3: the run defense hasn't been quite as good lately, but

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Speaker 3: it's still really good. And Jake did make a good

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Speaker 3: point that Jared Patterson got involved for the charters, and

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Speaker 3: maybe Vadell's snap share, which was it seventy two percent

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Speaker 3: last week, maybe it comes down a little bit. And

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Speaker 3: the Steelers run defense was good last week. They held

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor to forty five rushing yards in three point

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Speaker 3: two yards per carry. So while I don't mind Videll

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01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 3: in fantasy, I think under fifty three point five rushing

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01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: yard seems like a pretty decent bet, still a three

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Speaker 3: star bet.

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Speaker 1: I think you and Jake arguing on videll is the

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Speaker 1: like most like actually argumentative.

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Speaker 2: I've seen the two of you in doing the show

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Speaker 2: with you that was fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like, it wasn't like angry.

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Speaker 4: You can any of us say from the summer that

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Speaker 4: you would have fast forward and said at week ten

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Speaker 4: and you're gonna have an argument about Breece Hall versus

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Speaker 4: camani Vedel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Nobody would have predicted that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody been like, nah, no way, man, it's no area.

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Speaker 1: So those are our top prop bets for Sunday Night

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Speaker 1: redeem your offer. One more game on the slate here, guys,

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Speaker 1: Monday night football. Eagles at Packers. Awesome game, even with

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Speaker 1: the Packers coming off of a dot. I think this

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01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: is a really fun matchup and I'm really excited to

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Speaker 1: watch this except oh wait, I can't watch it thanks

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Speaker 1: to YouTube, TV and ESPN. That's a conversation for another day.

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Speaker 1: Eagles at Packers. I'm excited to follow this game. I

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Speaker 1: guess online fantasy wise, there wasn't a ton here. I

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Speaker 1: do want to ask, just kind of the the overall

1417
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: conversation of Tucker Craft's injury and what it's going to

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01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: mean for the Packers offense.

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Speaker 2: Who is going to step up?

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Speaker 1: Fits you are a Packers fan, You're very close to

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Speaker 1: the team. Who is going to step up in Craft's absence?

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Speaker 1: Is it Luke Luke Musgrave as backup tight end? Or

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Speaker 1: will it be one of the team's many different receivers

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Speaker 1: who will see a boost in value just through getting

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: more work, even if they're not a one to one replacement.

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Speaker 2: Where does do those targets go?

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Speaker 3: The Eagles are a pretty tough matchup for tight ends.

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Speaker 3: I think they've allowed like the fourth fewest fantasy points

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Speaker 3: per game the tight end. So I don't expect Luke

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Speaker 3: Musgrave to smash, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he shows

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01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: us fantasy viability. Like it's easy to forget that Musgrave

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Speaker 3: was actually drafted ahead of Tucker Craft in twenty twenty three.

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 3: Musgrave was a second round pick forty second overall. Craft

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Speaker 3: was a third rounder seventy eighth overall. Musgrave started six

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Speaker 3: games as a rookie before Craft made his first NFL start.

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Speaker 3: And Musgrave is six foot six and ran a four

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Speaker 3: to six to one at the combine, which gave him

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Speaker 3: a ninety fourth percentile speed score, Like he's he's toolsy.

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: So and there's gonna be some target spillover for Romeo

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: Dobbs and Christian Watson too, like Dobbs is pretty close

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01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: to a must start this week, I think, and Watson

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01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: flexworthy at minimum.

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Speaker 1: It's such a cliche to compare Musgrave and Craft to

1444
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: Hunter hayden Hurst and Mark Andrews, but it really.

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Speaker 4: Is, like kind of I got I got a tweet

1446
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 4: out there right after they were drafted saying exactly that, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was in the same round, so a

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Speaker 1: little different. But the year that the Ravens took Isaiah

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Speaker 1: likely they took Charlie Kohler earlier in that same round,

1450
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Speaker 1: So it's kind of similar where you second tight end

1451
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: is sometimes better than the first. The Andrews Hearst is

1452
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: really the great comparison there, Deebro, do you think Muskgrave

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: is you know, possibility to step up here and cross

1454
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Speaker 1: at Craft's absence or is it one of the receivers.

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Speaker 4: I think it's one of the receivers. I think like

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 4: Fitz he talked about the matchup, I think the matchup

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01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 4: is rough for him. Did I honestly think like Romeo

1458
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 4: has not gotten enough love from people this year. Like

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01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 4: what he's done and the fact that he's stepped up

1460
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 4: is the clear wide receiver one for the green bit packers.

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01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 4: Like Dubbs is a twenty percent target chare this year.

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01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 4: He has two point zero yards per route run. He

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Speaker 4: is a twenty five percent first read chare if you

1464
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 4: look at him, just like and he's been coverage agnostic,

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01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: like he's been good versus single high and too high

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01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 4: and not. There's very few wide receivers you could say

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Speaker 4: that are good versus both of these coverage shells. But

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Speaker 4: Doves is good versus both them, like two point ziver

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Speaker 4: one point nine yards per route run against both them.

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Speaker 4: He's top twenty six in both of those against both

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Speaker 4: those covered shells. So like, I think Jordan Love is

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Speaker 4: gonna lean on his number one guy a little bit

1473
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 4: more this week and moving forward. So Fitz he talked

1474
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 4: about Doves is a must play. I mean, I think

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 4: he's just a strong rest of season wide receiver. And

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: I have been hesitant to say that about any Green

1477
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 4: Bay Packers wide receiver because of what La Floor does,

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01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 4: but I think this does kind of narrow the target tree.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly before we wrap up, Are you guys downgrading

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love without Talkercraft.

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Speaker 4: No, because I think the scheme provides, and I think

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 4: before we're still gonna he's still gonna get it out.

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01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 4: And Love has been playing so well this year. Man

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 4: just not a lot of volume fits.

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01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because of the volume, I I kind

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Speaker 3: of am. I've got him wide quarterback fifteen this week.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll go ahead and wrap things up there.

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: We don't know along for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck here in week ten and in your

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Speaker 1: fantasy playoff pushes for debro en Fits.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Warmley. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you

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