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You can find it on Apple, on Spotify, 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.120 or anywhere you get your podcasts. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:41.240 I'm Matt Miller. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.479 And I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Hot Pursuit. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:52.920 Welcome the podcast. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.760 Coming up today, We've got a lot about Formula one 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.360 if you care about the racing as well as the event. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.040 Plus we're gonna talk about four. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.280 There's a really cool Bronco thing that Hannah heard about, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.920 and they're scaling back a little bit on their electric 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.920 vehicle production, so maybe that's an issue that touches the 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.959 strike and politics. Finally, Hannah actually drove the XM. She's 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.800 written down her thoughts and she'll tell them to me. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.720 I have a much cheaper, but I think better alternative 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.640 in the Dodge Durango. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:27.480 Hellcat this week. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.119 All right, So Hannah, let's start with Formula one. It's 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.240 not just about the racing, it's about the circus. And 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.480 now it's in like a circus town, so there could 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.200 be some real what do you call that when you 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.920 two things come together and they get multiplied synchronicity. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:47.160 I don't know. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.400 I'm fascinated to know what it's gonna be like when 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.840 it goes to Las Vegas, which is already off the hook. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.480 You're right, it's kind of like it's gonna be greater 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.760 than the sum of its parts, like two plus two 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.240 equals five. Possibly because, like you say, this is the 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.720 circus capital of the country. It even has a hotel 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:10.360 called Circus Circus. And I started getting pitches and notes 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.760 about this Grand Prix race like in early summer, like 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:19.600 May June. So the hype for this has been unparalleled, 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:24.200 even higher than that of Miami or Austin. It's a 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.120 big deal. Let's just say upfront that you know, Max 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.359 Verstappen has already clinched the title. We already know Red 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:35.080 Bull has won the constructors championship. So the race, the race, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.480 while it still will be exciting, is even sort of 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.480 more beside the point than usual because we already know 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:45.120 how the season ends. To that effect, everything else happening 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.040 in Las Vegas is going to be wild. I'm looking 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.800 forward to going, and I'm also slightly terrified. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.840 So in terms of like exciting, is Formula One do 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.919 you get like amazing outcomes you would never have expected. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.720 Is it possible for somebody in like a satellite team 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.440 to all of a sudden start winning and take over. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.200 Is there a lot of passing? 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.640 Because when I stopped watching it, it was because there 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.280 was a lack of all of those things. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.480 Yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you on that. Unfortunately, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.880 you know, Max Verstappin has won the last sixteen races. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:25.320 He's pretty solid and predictable, and that's wonderful for him, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.440 but less exciting for racing fans. Sergio Perez, of course, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.560 is has been doing pretty okay. He's i think number 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.240 two in the standings right now, but he did actually 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.040 crash out at the Mexican Grand Prix this past weekend, 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.800 So I guess you could call that sort of exciting. 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:48.040 Thank god he's he was unhurt. But to your point, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.280 the leaders are the leaders. Lewis Hamilton has actually been 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.400 kind of putting on a surge. You know, he's the 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.840 biggest superstar in the world right now when it comes 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.760 to Formula racing, and he has been for years, despite 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.680 the fact that you know, this year he hasn't been 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.240 racing as as well as he has in past years, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:07.760 and I think that has a lot to do with 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:13.480 the car that he's driving. So to answer your question, no, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.760 it's it's honestly pretty predictable. I think the races still 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:21.080 are fun to watch, but American viewers, honestly, they do 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.320 have a point when they say, you know what you're 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.000 gonna get, even at the start of the race. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.960 I mean, so I would recommend people watch Moto GP, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.760 which is, in my opinion, you know, a lot more fun. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.599 There's a lot more passing, you have a lot more 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.039 drama in the actual race rather than you know, drama 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.600 off the circuit, which I guess is what Formula one 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:41.240 is more about. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.839 But oh, that's shady, that's very shady. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.800 It's true though, right I mean, it's more about the 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.159 soap opera and oh well. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.240 I think Total Wolf would disagree with you, but. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.839 He is like number one promoter of the soap opera, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.400 Toto and Christian Horner. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.800 What are we gonna see around Formula one? 0:04:58.880 --> 0:04:58.960 Like? 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.599 Are there gonna be people getting like five hundred thousand 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.600 dollars dinner reservations? 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.000 That's usually the story. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.960 There's so much happening. The number one thing I'm actually 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.440 really excited to see is this sphere. It's this giant 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.560 orb that we've all been hearing about. That's a concert 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.840 space that you two has been performing at for the 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.040 past few weeks. It's a two point three billion dollar 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.040 arena with almost eighteen thousand seats, you know, owned by 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.039 James Dolan, who, of course New Yorkers will know owns 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:36.840 Madison Square Garden and a few other sports sporting teams 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:41.280 that I'm not gonna mention, but he's a polarizing figure 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.840 and this has really been a huge project. So during 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.000 Formula one, you don't actually have to watch you two 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.640 if you don't want to have the spirit. There are 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.320 other people performing there like Kylie Minou, Mark Ronson, Nile Rogers, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.560 j Balvin. There's a host of people performing there, so 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.440 that's kind of like for me, I would love to 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.560 see a concert there. I just think it's gonna be 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:05.000 so cool. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.840 Yeah, I cannot wait to see the sphere. I don't 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.720 even care if there's a concert there. I just want 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.240 to see what it looks like in real life if 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.119 I do see. I think it's interesting that Dolan said 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.440 he wants to make this the future and he's building 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.200 it for generations to come, and he puts the oldest 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.480 people he can think of on the stage, like, ye, 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.560 is there anyone older than you two? Like maybe Kylie Minogue. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:32.960 So interesting stuff. All right, Let's get to Ford because 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.920 you have found out about a Bronco event that I 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.919 think is pretty interesting. And also, you know they just 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.679 finished the strike, so they're gonna be building Broncos again. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.440 There's a lot going on surrounding the Big Blue Oval. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.240 Yeah. So this experience that Bronco is opening up to 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.679 everybody and early November is called the Bronco Off Rodeo 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:59.840 Experience spelled road like the road, and it's basically it 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.840 was a nice perk that Ford gave people who bought 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.719 a new Bronco, which was a day of training, off 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.120 road training and one of four locations from Moab to 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.760 a place in Texas to outside Nevada, and there's one 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.120 in New Hampshire as well, and it was this complimentary 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.040 day of off road training, learning how to use the technology, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.120 some safety courses, et cetera. So now Ford has, I 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.880 think wisely realized that other people might like to do 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.920 this too, and they have. They're going to open up 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:37.360 some reservations November second. It's going to cost a little 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.360 under eight hundred dollars for a half day of the 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.840 same type of instruction. It sounds a little expensive to me, 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.960 but the good thing is you don't even have to 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.040 bring your own car. They will provide the vehicle for you. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:55.080 And that does include space for four people in the vehicle. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.600 So when you break it out like right, and you 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.280 can switch drivers. So when you break it out like that, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.200 it's kind of cool. Yeah, I think it sounds fun. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:05.640 It's a good a good idea for them. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.240 It doesn't sound too expensive to me. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.480 I mean, I do a lot of track days, motorcycle 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.880 track days, and they're very inexpensive. If you bring your 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.680 own bike, if you want to use you know, the 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.600 manufacturer's bike or you know, the the event organizers bikes. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.800 Then it's much more expensive because you know you're highly 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.680 likely to wreck it, and I guess the same thing 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.960 would be true with with off roading. I love the 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.920 Bronco and I think we've talked about this before. To me, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.160 the design is just they nailed it. Yeah, And I 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.000 don't even hate the V six. You know, traditionally I 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.440 don't love the eco boost engines, but for some reason 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.800 I love the two point seven leader in the Bronco. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.040 In terms of ford they have gone so whole hog 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.559 like against the V eight for the most part. Right, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.640 they stopped making their big V eights and the Raptor, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.200 and they put a an eco boost in it, and 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.760 they were going so forward into EVS that it was 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.800 costing them three billion dollars this year. Then they updated 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.560 those loss figures to say it was going to cost 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.480 them for and a half billion dollars just this year. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.360 And now it seems like the demand for evs isn't there, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.480 at least not at the level that they that everyone 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.280 thought it was going to be. So they're shifting back 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.200 towards more hybrid vehicles, which I think is the way 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.080 forward anyway. But Bill Ford also pointed out EV's are 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.520 getting truly politicized. It's almost like vaccine. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.800 Yeah, it's really interesting. I was looking at some data 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.240 from Bloomberg Hyperdrive, which really focuses on electric vehicles, and 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:45.160 it made the point that this year EV's in the 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:50.440 US will comprise about ten percent of new car sales. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.040 But ten states have already surpassed that benchmark, and all 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.360 of those ten states are Democratic states. So I think 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:05.760 that's really interesting exactly. I also, you know, it is 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.400 true that the Republican Party does tend to want to 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:14.520 repeal ev incentives. Contrastingly, Biden has said that he'd liked 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.360 half of all new vehicle sales to be electric by 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.640 the end of the decade, which I think seems a 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:20.559 bit optimistic. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.880 So I and that's hard to square with wanting people 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.160 to keep their jobs. Well, yes, it just far fewer 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.840 people to build an electric drive train than it does 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:31.160 to build an ic email, of. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.839 Course, and that that was a real sticking point with 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.720 some of the strikes that we've seen at Ford. And 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.080 now that Ford has agreed to a twenty five percent 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.440 increase in wages, it's going to make it even more 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.040 difficult for that company to eke out some profits. And 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.439 I was going to say, you know, the other thing 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:53.239 I think about this though, is yes, EV's are political, 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.920 but also I don't think the automakers like Ford and 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.520 General Motors can just rely on that as an excuse 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.679 for not making evs, because the truth is electrifying big 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:09.160 pickup trucks is very difficult. They're very big, they weigh 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:14.360 a ton, and to keep those prices competitive. It's honestly, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.240 I think it's they're finding it's very difficult. They're having 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:18.680 supply chain issues as well. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:19.680 Good point. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.480 So it's yes, they are political, and yes it's fair 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:28.559 to say that some people may not want an electric vehicle, 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.480 but I don't think that's the only reason that they're 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:32.439 walking back their target. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.720 But they're using this as an excuse, like when retailer 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.079 says we didn't sell enough jackets because of the weather. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:39.960 Yeah, yeah, a little bit. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.079 It's a little bit tired. I think it's interesting. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.880 I spent a lot of time on forums, you know, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.840 car forums like Beamer Post and Challenger Talk and Docotti 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.680 dot ms and stuff. All of the ic old guys 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.559 are so against evs. It almost does feel like a 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.679 vaccine thing, Like they're starting to accuse evs of being 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.960 planted by Bill Gates or listening to what you do 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.760 after work, and I think that's a load of bs. Well, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.280 we have to all be able to agree that it's 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.760 a great propulsion system to get you from A to 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.319 B works really well and if you want to go fast, 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.040 EV's really are an incredibly efficient way to do that. Now, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.679 on the other hand, I feel like the infrastructure is 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.360 not there yet, and we are going to have to 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.199 pay a lot, as you know, a country if we 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.360 want to get to a competitive position with other countries 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.560 like China. So if that's important to us, you know, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.200 maybe we take that on as a goal. If it's not, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.040 I think hybrids are are a really good way. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.960 Or you love your hybrids. I mean I really was 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.480 thinking about that last week, your love for hybrids, because 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.000 I think just they're like a bit of a band aid. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.280 But you did make a good point that if you 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.000 really keep it charged, it could be worth. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.480 It, yeah, because you know, you can just drive around 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.480 town doing your little errands that for which you use 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.120 the car most often on ev power, and then when 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.920 you're going on a long trip you can stretch out 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.760 your legs with the gas engine. I mean, obviously they 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.880 are going to be good hybrids and bad hybrids. Sure. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:12.520 I just think if you go full. 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.800 B EV, there just aren't a lot of people who 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.240 want one, and almost no one can afford one. So 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:20.720 I know that we want to be competitive and we 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.760 need to keep our eye on that ball as well. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:33.720 But it's an interesting topic, it's an interesting debate. Let's 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.680 get to speaking of hybrids. Number three on my list 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.079 of things to talk about today. That's the BMWXM. We 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.880 touched on it last time, but you hadn't really spent 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.640 a lot of time with it, and I really want 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.839 to know, you know, beyond the ugly headliner, which I 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.840 think we can all agree on, what the hell are 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:50.320 they thinking? 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:51.880 What do you think about the XM. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.880 I think it is very Obviously it's very powerful. This 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:01.160 is the most powerful sub we've had from BMW. It 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.680 does have a lot of space. It's longer than the 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.600 g Wagon, it's wider than an Audi Q eight. It 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.840 does offer a lot of space for those of us 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.640 who are taller. I do love that curved screen on 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.160 the dashboard that is basically two twelve inch screens under 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.880 a single pane of glass. It's very beautiful. It does 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.680 resist sticky fingers, and Claire and I did eat some 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.840 cheetohs and you know, do my best on those. So 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:34.320 those are those are some nice points. I still think 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:39.920 that it just it drives in an unsophisticated manner. You know. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:44.080 It's it's incredibly jerky. I know. I think if they 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:49.400 had had perhaps an air suspension instead of a coil setup, 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.000 that might have helped a little bit. I'm not an engineer, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.120 but I at least know that, uh, that might have helped. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:00.000 It just feels unsophisticated to drive. The steering is not elegant. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.080 I don't know, matt Am I head I totally agree. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:04.720 With everything you're saying. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.000 As soon as I drove it out of the garage 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.000 and Chelsea, when I spend a week with it, I thought, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.880 I can't believe. This feels like they haven't finished it. It 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.000 feels like a pre question vehicle. Yes, you know, and 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.640 I thought maybe they rushed to get it out, but 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.440 why because I hadn't hadn't really heard much about it, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.040 you know, in sort of mainstream media. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.720 It is a jerky. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.040 I think the transmission has all kinds of issues, which 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.080 a lot of these, you know, a lot of these hybrids. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:33.040 That's really a down. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.480 Uh, that's really a minus point for some of the hybrids, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.440 like the Jeep four by E. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:39.720 It has the same tests. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.400 And by the way, I when people saw on social 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.800 media that I was driving this, I got unsolicited multiple 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.120 people already riding in saying they were having issues with it, 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.080 which is not a good thing because it hasn't been 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:51.920 out that long either. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.480 Yeah, I know, I agree with all those points. I 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.040 think it's cool in terms of design, but a lot 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.240 of people obviously hate it. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:58.800 Yeah. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.800 I like the throwback ms that they put on are 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.280 the BMW logos that they put on each corner of 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:07.600 the windshield in the back. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.560 I like it so big because I'm so big, you know. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.960 I think you use the term brutalist last week, which 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.680 I thought was very charitable of you. I really tried 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.800 to keep that in mind when I looked at it. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:26.160 I think it might be a touch heavy handed in general, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.040 but brutalist is a nice way to put it. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.160 Yeah, I could see that, you know. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.160 I will say also about the XM, and I really 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.280 don't know why, but somehow it's designed where it's really 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.840 difficult to sense where in space you are when you 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.320 park it. I don't know if you experienced that too, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.480 And I don't think it's just a function of the 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.120 size or my inability to park, because I think park 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.200 other big things. There's something about it that I would 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.560 pull into the curb thinking I'm very close and I've 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.200 still got, like you know, twelve or sixteen inches I 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:58.120 got in and out of it. 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.800 I will admit that that's a problem I have in 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.080 any car, like I have that problem in Mini Cooper. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.679 I'm horrible at parking, which is why I'm so happy 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.400 to be back in America, in Westchester, where you could 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.199 put a dump truck in the parking spaces that we 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:14.360 have compared. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.080 To what I lived with in Germany for years and years. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.280 I'm not good at parking, yeah, but so I didn't 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.639 really notice that because I'm bad at it. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.320 With everything. I will say that this. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.040 Week, I'm driving a truck that I think no one 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.840 is cross shopping with, the BMWXM. But it's so much 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.720 better and for so much less, even though I'm driving 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:41.400 the Dodge Durango Hellcat. Right, it's a three row kind 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.560 of grocery getter. It's a dad car, you know, but 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:50.200 it's got one of the greatest power plants ever invented 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.520 in front of it, Like the Supercharge six point two 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:58.399 liter V eight from Dodge is just a slice of heaven. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.359 I mean, there's so many things I don't really like 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.159 about the Durrango. It's not terribly comfortable, the seats are 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.800 much smaller than in like the Challenger or the Charger. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.560 You know, I don't love the layout of the gauges. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.919 And even though the entfotainment system's okay, it's not anything 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.120 to write home about. But even if I disliked more 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:26.080 things about the Challenger, the engine outweighs all of those concerns, 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.679 Like it's just so effortless when you touch the pedal, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:31.720 and it's addictive. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.800 I mean, the way the power comes on. 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:39.800 Is just intoxicating. And it's I think, so much better 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.720 than the Challenger or the Charger hell Cat because it's 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.480 got all wheel drive, right that motor. With just rear 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.480 wheel drive, you're spinning your tires all day long. But 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.680 when you put a four wheel drive system on it, 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:59.720 it's just unbelievably good. So and it's expensive for a Durrango, right, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.879 like ninety thousand dollars out of the box, but and 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.679 over one hundred the one I'm driving. But it's nothing 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.879 near the one hundred and fifty six. I think the 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.000 bmwxim starts for one fifty six, starts. 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.440 There and goes up from there. And I'm curious now 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.040 because I see that this is climbing seven hundred and 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.680 ten horsepower on this Dodge, which is more than the BMW. Yes, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.440 so that I mean, okay, I'd like to get behind 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:25.840 the wheel. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.040 It's just one sounds cool. It's one more reason that 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.400 BMW missed the mark. Yeah, well why say it's our 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.840 most powerful car ever? And talking right about the power 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.280 when you detuned the motor, you know, why not go 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.760 over seven hundred which seems to be the level that 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.680 you know, that's the raptor TRX level. And I feel 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.960 like they could have done that. Every time I see 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.800 a super expensive foreign car now on the road and 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.280 I'm driving this Durango, I'm like, yes, American superchargers. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.720 Well, I should say, in BMW's defense, they are coming 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.280 out with a special XM label version that they say 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.760 they'll be delivering in November and we'll have over seven 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.280 hundred horsepower, and of course that starts at about one 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.760 hundred and ninety thousand. Wow, So there's so maybe they 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.800 sort of, you know, they should have launched that suitor, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.920 so we'd be talking about that because that seems quite 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:16.240 a lot. 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.359 That's also the supercharger in the Durango makes me wonder 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.160 about the turbos and BMW and pretty much every other car, 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.040 especially European. Why do you think they all European and 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.159 Japanese went turbos and Americans stuck to superchargers, Like why 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.120 would you not want the power low down from a supercharger. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.400 I feel like it's the best way to force induction. 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.320 I think that's a case of straight roads versus curby roads. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:47.119 And when you're on I know this, when you're on curves, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.560 you can really really utilize the turbo boost and it 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.840 feels incredible when you're driving, like up in the hills 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.919 up Angelee's Cress, if you really know how to use 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:01.040 it well. And I've driven and been with driver who 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.760 use it incredibly to their advantage and it's amazing. And 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.520 I don't know if you would get the same feel 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:12.320 from a supercharger. I tend to think American cars were 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:17.080 based on straight, open highways and European and Asian cars 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.399 were based on you know, tighter, smaller, curvier roads. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.760 You're probably right, that's my theory. The turbo chargers. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.480 Maybe there's more sophistication there, and maybe there's a learning curve, 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.919 Like Americans just want to get into a supercharged truck 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:31.880 and be able to stomp the pedal, and we care 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.879