WEBVTT - S2:Ep 8 - American Ballet

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<v Speaker 1>The Nutcracker is the gateway to ballet for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, and that's what it was for LaToya Princess Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Princess was in college. She went to see a company

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<v Speaker 1>called Bilethnik, a professional ballet company. They were putting on

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<v Speaker 1>their annual production of The Nutcracker, but it looked different

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<v Speaker 1>than most Nutcrackers.

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<v Speaker 2>You see.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in the audience and the snow scene comes up,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of these beautiful black ballerinas are dancing and

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<v Speaker 3>the snow is falling on the stage, and it just

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<v Speaker 3>looks so beautiful. I'll never forget the experience. I had

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<v Speaker 3>never seen black ballerinas before, and so in my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, like, have these people always existed? And if so,

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<v Speaker 3>why didn't I know about this? Because I would have

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<v Speaker 3>loved to have done something like this early on in

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<v Speaker 3>my life.

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<v Speaker 1>She had tried ballet back when she was a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>but after one class she was discouraged. At fourteen, she

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<v Speaker 1>already felt behind and she was the only black kid

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<v Speaker 1>in the class. This is not for me, she thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But after this performance, Princess approached the directors. She asked

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<v Speaker 1>how to pursue ballet for real and.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, if you are serious about it, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can put your ego aside and take classes with six

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<v Speaker 3>and seven year olds. So they put me in the

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<v Speaker 3>very basic ballet class with six and seven year olds,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm literally wearing the same uniforms they're wearing, like

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<v Speaker 3>an adult at the bar with my same color leotard

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<v Speaker 3>that they have on. And I never thought that I

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<v Speaker 3>would be here where I am now, actually working in ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>Princess of made dance her career. She became a dancer,

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<v Speaker 1>a producer, a ballet teacher. She got her master's degree

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<v Speaker 1>at Harvard and Dramatic Arts, and she did some teaching

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<v Speaker 1>through the Boston Ballet.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I look at the Boston Ballet Company and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's nobody that looks like me. I'm wondering, why, what

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<v Speaker 3>is the purpose of there not being ballerinas that look

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<v Speaker 3>like me in major companies? Where are the black ballerinas?

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<v Speaker 1>What you would come to learn is there were lots

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<v Speaker 1>of black ballerinas, They'd always been there. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>something else too, this pattern of black dancers being pushed

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<v Speaker 1>out of ballet memory and pushed out of ballet even

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<v Speaker 1>as they're intrinsically shaping it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I feel like you can not talk about Balanchin

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<v Speaker 3>without talking about how his esthetic has pulled from the

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<v Speaker 3>black dancing body, and more specifically, how he was inspired

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<v Speaker 3>by dancers like Katherine Dunham and Arthur Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 1>For My Heart podcasts in Rococo Punch, This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Turning Room of Mirrors America Lants, Part eight. American Ballet

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<v Speaker 1>Princess started looking for black ballerinas of the past, and

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<v Speaker 1>one name she came across surprised her. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>name she already knew well, a name most dancers know,

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<v Speaker 1>but she'd only associated it with modern dance, not classical ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>The name was Katherine Dunham. Catherine Dunham led from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh nine to two thousand and six. She's a pillar

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<v Speaker 1>of dance history. She's known for creating a whole new

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<v Speaker 1>form of dance what's called the Dunham technique.

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<v Speaker 3>When I first took that dun On bar class, it

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<v Speaker 3>was more about being connected to the ground as supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be upright. There were plias, but we were bare feet.

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand this. I feel the movement in my body.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm actually getting it. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I belong in.

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<v Speaker 1>This Dunham technique is a type of modern dance. She

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<v Speaker 1>pulled from dances from Africa and the Caribbean and Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and nixed them with her own ideas about movement.

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<v Speaker 3>I had the syncopated steps, the movement of the hips,

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<v Speaker 3>the isolation of the tors so the lot of movement

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<v Speaker 3>close to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Dunham performed all over with her own company and

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<v Speaker 1>created a school where she taught people like James Dean,

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Poitier, Shirley McLain and then Princess is looking through

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<v Speaker 1>archives about ballet and here's Catherine Dunham, this person she's

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<v Speaker 1>already felt a connection to through movement. What she learned

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<v Speaker 1>is that before Catherine Dunham became the Catherine Dunham most

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<v Speaker 1>people know, she studied classical ballet and she loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>She really was inspired to be a ballerino. And she

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<v Speaker 3>talked specifically about how she wants to introduce the technique

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<v Speaker 3>of ballet to black dancers and have it at their

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<v Speaker 3>disposal so that they can show the genius of her race.

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<v Speaker 3>She says, the genius of her race, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>genius of our race.

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<v Speaker 1>In her early twenties, Catherine Dunham studied ballet in Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and then she started to teach it, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>hard to do. Many dance studios refused to let her

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<v Speaker 1>have classes because she and her students were black. Her

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<v Speaker 1>first studio was a converted barn. In nineteen thirty, four

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<v Speaker 1>years before Balancing founded the School of American Ballet, Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>Dunham created her own ballet company. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first black ballet companies in the United States. She

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<v Speaker 1>called it Ballet Negar.

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<v Speaker 3>And the company only lasted one month. I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of factors happened. You have to have funding, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to have been a factors, and there was the

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<v Speaker 3>discouragement of we don't really want black ballet dancers in

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<v Speaker 3>this space.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed nearly impossible for white critics to associate black

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<v Speaker 1>people with classical ballet. For example, white writer Walter Terry

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<v Speaker 1>referenced the belief that black dancers were talented at jazz

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<v Speaker 1>and what was referred to as quote primitive dance, not ballet.

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<v Speaker 3>And even some of the reviews they would have words

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<v Speaker 3>like jungle or primal or the ethnic stuff that they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing is great. I love it. Keep doing that, but

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<v Speaker 3>stay away from the classical stuff. Take off those points,

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<v Speaker 3>use dance barefoot, a thing in your element.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, Catherine Dunham's ballet teacher advised her to leave ballet

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<v Speaker 1>and try modern dance. Hence the Catherine Dunham most people

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<v Speaker 1>know today. And then she worked with someone who by

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<v Speaker 1>now you're very familiar.

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<v Speaker 3>With, George Balanchin. George Balanchine and Catherine Dunham start to

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<v Speaker 3>work on Cabin in the Sky, a musical.

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<v Speaker 4>They collaborate.

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<v Speaker 3>They were in effect co choreographers.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times called Cabin in the Sky a

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<v Speaker 1>Negro fantasy. A white writer came up with this story

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<v Speaker 1>that felt like folklore. The musical came out in nineteen forty.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire cast was black. It was written, lyricized, composed,

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<v Speaker 1>and directed by white people. Katherine Dunham danced in it.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked balancing to stage it.

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<v Speaker 4>They actually lived together during that production because they were

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<v Speaker 4>so broke that they had to live together.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Teresa Ruth Howard. She's a former ballet dancer,

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<v Speaker 1>a dance journalist, and she works with ballet companies around

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<v Speaker 1>the world on equity projects and culture change. She likes

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine Katherine Dunham and George balancing living together during

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<v Speaker 1>this time.

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<v Speaker 4>What are they talking about in the kitchen? But they're

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<v Speaker 4>probably talking about ballet, and they're also probably talking about

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<v Speaker 4>African dance and Caribbean Haitian dance. You know, great artistic

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<v Speaker 4>conversations about how do you blend the two. She's actually

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<v Speaker 4>probably choreographing Cabin in the Sky. Because he didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>anything about that type of dance, he could not have

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<v Speaker 4>choreographed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Valancine seemed aware that his whiteness limited his ability to

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<v Speaker 1>do this musical well. He said, quote, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>use of inventing a series of movements which are a

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<v Speaker 1>white man's idea of a Negro's walk or stance or slouch.

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<v Speaker 1>I only needed to indicate a disposition of the dancers

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<v Speaker 1>on the stage. The rest almost improvised itself. I was

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<v Speaker 1>careful to give dancers steps which they could do better

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<v Speaker 1>than anyone else. Maybe this communicates respect a desire to

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<v Speaker 1>stand out of the dancer's way, But a closer read

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<v Speaker 1>reveals something else. Dance scholar Brenda Dixon Gottshield writes, quote

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that he did not need to invent movements

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<v Speaker 1>apart from the creativity of the dancers themselves, was that

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<v Speaker 1>he had a seasoned, talented African American colleague to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>To state that the rest almost improvised itself is to

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<v Speaker 1>fall into the trap of assuming that African peoples do

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<v Speaker 1>not work, train, or practice in order to perform successfully,

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<v Speaker 1>that dancing for them is an inborn trade end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a hint of arrogance in what Balanchine said

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<v Speaker 1>to Dixon. Gotshield says that Balanchine's words reduce black dancers

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<v Speaker 1>to his puppets. She poses the question did Balancing give

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<v Speaker 1>them steps to do? Or did the dancers suggest and

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<v Speaker 1>show him steps from which he then chose.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything points back to Catherine Dunham. Her work is inspiring

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<v Speaker 3>people like George Balanchine. If you don't have that conversation,

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<v Speaker 3>then you erase her.

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<v Speaker 1>Balancing and Dunham collaborated. They choreographed together, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>playbill just one person was listed.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Entire production staged by George Balancing. Cabin in the Sky

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<v Speaker 1>was just one example of many times Balanchine worked with

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<v Speaker 1>black dam answers and choreographers on Broadway. He worked with

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<v Speaker 1>Josephine Baker with tap dancer and choreographer Clarence Buddy Bradley

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<v Speaker 1>with the Nicholas Brothers, and even earlier before he came

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<v Speaker 1>to the US, Balancine was drawn in by what black

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<v Speaker 1>artists were doing in Europe. He soaked up the art

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<v Speaker 1>and dance and music of the African diaspora before Balancing

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<v Speaker 1>founded in New York City Ballet, He even talked about

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<v Speaker 1>having an integrated ballet company, half of the dancers black,

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<v Speaker 1>half of the dancers white. It was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>initial sales pitch that Lincoln Kirstein wrote in a letter

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<v Speaker 1>to a potential funder.

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<v Speaker 4>I want you to invest in this company. I've got

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<v Speaker 4>this incredibly brilliant choreographer and he has these incredible ideas

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<v Speaker 4>of having a company that is, you know, four male,

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<v Speaker 4>four females white, and four of the same negroes. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the language of the time. If we stop there,

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<v Speaker 4>it sounds like, ooh, this is an incredible thing, forward

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<v Speaker 4>thinking for the time. However, if you look down in

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<v Speaker 4>the text, he says, quote, he thinks the Negro part

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<v Speaker 4>of it would be amazingly supple. The combination of suppleness

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<v Speaker 4>and this sense of time superb, So I think he

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<v Speaker 4>means like the timing, like the rhythm right of these negroes,

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<v Speaker 4>and the suppleness, and then he goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 4>imagine them masked, for example. That's the part for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like masked, like what are what are they

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<v Speaker 4>doing masked? The idea was to train these dancers together,

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<v Speaker 4>but then these black dancers would somehow be masked on stage,

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<v Speaker 4>so it doesn't give me the feeling of equity and equality.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, it never came to pass that you would

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<v Speaker 4>see this integrated company on a New York City state.

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<v Speaker 1>When you feel like you started learning more about Balanchine's

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<v Speaker 1>relationship to blackness.

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<v Speaker 4>That's an interesting question because it was not even about movement.

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<v Speaker 4>It was his famous quote about a ballerina should be

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<v Speaker 4>the color of appealed apple. And I can remember I

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<v Speaker 4>was probably around eleven when I heard that, So imagine

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<v Speaker 4>as a black ballet student at the time hearing that

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<v Speaker 4>that was the thought a ballerina should be the color

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<v Speaker 4>of appealed apple, and I remember thinking, well, if you

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<v Speaker 4>leave appealed apple out on the counter for a minute,

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<v Speaker 4>it turns brown anyway, So what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Later Teresa saw Balancine's ballets like Jewels and the Four Temperaments.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you're like, oh, you know, yes, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>dance that. But it's bittersweet because it's attached to this

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<v Speaker 4>idea that you don't have a space in that art form.

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<v Speaker 4>As for him, the irony of it is is that

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<v Speaker 4>in the beginning, he wants to have this integrated company.

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<v Speaker 4>He wants to see black bodies and white bodies represented

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<v Speaker 4>on the same stage. And so he's lauded in a

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<v Speaker 4>way from being the pioneer of diversity in ballet, and

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<v Speaker 4>yet out of his own mouth what a ballerina should

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<v Speaker 4>look like doesn't represent that idea at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard over and over again Balanchine's work allotted for

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<v Speaker 1>his speed, his timing, his pushing ballet over the edge.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you break those movements down, really track their

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<v Speaker 1>essence where they came from. They're fundamental aspects of African dance.

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<v Speaker 4>He loved black culture and blackness. It was something that

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<v Speaker 4>was useful to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa Ruth Howard read the work of dance scholar Brenda

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<v Speaker 1>Dixon Gottshield, who laid out these fundamental principles of African

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<v Speaker 1>art and African dance characteristics of the Africanist aesthetic. There's

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<v Speaker 1>this youthfulness for one.

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<v Speaker 4>Strength, flexibility, speed, it's the ability to do extensions or splits,

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<v Speaker 4>flexibility in the joints. We see this in the jitterbug.

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<v Speaker 4>We see this in a lot of the African dance

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<v Speaker 4>where they syncopate the body and invert the limbs. We

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<v Speaker 4>see this in hip hop, where you wonder, how.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do that?

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<v Speaker 4>How you turn your knees in and go all the

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<v Speaker 4>way down to the ground. Isolations the spine is not rigid.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, a lack of center or many centers falling off balance.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the rhythm, maybe multiple rhythms at once, and juxtaposing

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<v Speaker 1>opposites at once, like fast energetic movements with a stoic face.

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<v Speaker 4>And that element of coolness that removed sort of aloofness

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<v Speaker 4>that it's almost like you're doing all of this incredible movement,

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<v Speaker 4>but you don't seem to be phased.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of these movements are in direct contrast to

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<v Speaker 1>traditional classical ballet, or even considered ugly by the ballet establishment,

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<v Speaker 1>but once you list them out, you can't help but

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<v Speaker 1>see them all over balancing's choreography. It's like They're what

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<v Speaker 1>makes balancing, balancing the.

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<v Speaker 4>Hips forward, flex feet and hands. He's turning legs in

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<v Speaker 4>and rolling hips out.

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<v Speaker 1>Even back in Apollo, the ballet that put balancing on

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<v Speaker 1>the map when he was twenty four, is bathed in

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<v Speaker 1>the Africanist esthetic parallel feet and three muses who kaikick

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<v Speaker 1>with their pelvises thrusting forward. Then you can keep going

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<v Speaker 1>down the line of Balanchine ballets, symphony and three movements,

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<v Speaker 1>four temperaments, Concerto Barocco, stars and stripes, Bugaku jewels. Princess says,

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<v Speaker 1>any black audience member can see it. Balancing didn't create

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<v Speaker 1>these movements.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like hip movements and like it's not something that

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<v Speaker 3>you can sometimes articulate. It's something that you just see. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I can see where that came from. Yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>little blackness in there right.

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<v Speaker 1>When you lay it out. It's clear that so much

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<v Speaker 1>of what made Balanchine feel fresh to European and white

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<v Speaker 1>audiences where the Africanist artistic principles he was using. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what made Balanchine's ballet feel American was that it was black.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a vehicle. Blackness is a vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by that it's a.

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<v Speaker 4>Vehicle to get people where they need to go. We

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<v Speaker 4>see this culturally all the time. We see the Disney

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<v Speaker 4>children like a mighty cyrus, right clean, squeaky clean. And

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<v Speaker 4>when she wants to shift her image to be more adult,

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<v Speaker 4>what does she do. She becomes black adjacent, she starts tworking,

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<v Speaker 4>She surrounds herself with blackness. It gets a little raunchy,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh. And then all of a sudden we

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<v Speaker 4>stop thinking of her as Hannah Montana, And now she

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<v Speaker 4>has crossed over. And then once she's done crossing over,

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<v Speaker 4>she's going to distance herself from blackness, that is, using

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<v Speaker 4>it as a vehicle to get you to another place.

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<v Speaker 4>So Balancine is using blackness as a vehicle to transform

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<v Speaker 4>the ballet idiom into this new sort of avant garde

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<v Speaker 4>version of itself in doses, in order to get him

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<v Speaker 4>where he needs to be.

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<v Speaker 1>George Balanjan played with the idea of making his company

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<v Speaker 1>half black and half white, but when the time came,

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<v Speaker 1>that idea went out the window pretty fast. For years,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't hire any black dancers for the New York

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<v Speaker 1>City Ballet, And then came a man named Arthur Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Mitchell studied at Catherine Dunham's dance school, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he won a scholarship to the School of American Ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty five, he was offered a position at

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<v Speaker 1>Valancine's company. He was the first black dancer ever to

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<v Speaker 1>join it, the first to become a principal with the company.

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa Ruth Howard points out that Arthur Mitchell might not

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<v Speaker 1>have been the most obvious choice. Balancine had already worked

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<v Speaker 1>with black ballet dancers who had more ballet training than

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Mitchell did.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a jazz dancer, he was a tap dancer.

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<v Speaker 4>He started studying ballet at eighteen years old, so he

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<v Speaker 4>was obviously not a tech cognition, but he had this

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<v Speaker 4>other element that was somehow very enticing to Balanchine. Like

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<v Speaker 4>he had Arthur Mitchell in the studio and he'd say, Arthur,

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<v Speaker 4>show him how it's done.

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<v Speaker 3>There are moves that, even though within the classicism of ballet,

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<v Speaker 3>when Mitchell does, it's still done with the little And

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<v Speaker 3>it's so hard to say, because as black people, we

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<v Speaker 3>have this thing where it's like you just know, like

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<v Speaker 3>that's black dance, Like that's the little that's in there right.

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Mitchell would later say he danced for his mother

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<v Speaker 1>and his people. He said, quote being the first I

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<v Speaker 1>was representing my people, so I had to go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and be good. I couldn't make a mistake. Mitchell

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<v Speaker 1>said that when he joined the company in nineteen fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>parents of some dancers called Balanchine and said they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want their daughter to dance with a black man. In response,

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<v Speaker 1>Balanjing said, well take your daughter out. As Arthur Mitchell

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<v Speaker 1>began to perform with City Ballet, he sometimes heard yelling

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<v Speaker 1>or racial slurs from the audience When the company was

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<v Speaker 1>performing Stars and Stripes on TV, and producers wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take Arthur Mitchell out of the show. Valancine famously responded,

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<v Speaker 1>if Mitchell doesn't dance, New York City Ballet doesn't dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Balancing had a role in mind for Arthur that no

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<v Speaker 1>other dancer in the company could fill. He wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make a patta d a duet. Stravinsky had composed a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve tone score with irregular measures balanging, cast Diana Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>a white woman, to be Arthur Mitchell's partner. It was

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<v Speaker 1>called Agone. Balanging spent days with the dancers testing out

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<v Speaker 1>different ideas, seeing what clicked. Their bodies and movements are

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<v Speaker 1>imprinted on the piece. Balanchine likes to juxtapose their black

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<v Speaker 1>and white skin tones through the simple touch of a

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<v Speaker 1>hand or wrist. Arthur Mitchell later said, my skin color

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<v Speaker 1>against hers. It became part of the choreography. In the ballet,

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur wore a white shirt and tight black pants, Diana

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<v Speaker 1>wore a black leotard. The two dancers bodies repeatedly entangle

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<v Speaker 1>each other and pull apart. They walk together, bending their

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<v Speaker 1>knees in synchrony, and Diana curls her leg around Arthur's

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<v Speaker 1>body and all these different orientations. At one moment, She's

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<v Speaker 1>held high in the air, legsplayed wide apart. She leans

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<v Speaker 1>on Arthur's body for support, then slips down his body

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<v Speaker 1>into the splits on the ground. As she slides beneath

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<v Speaker 1>his legs to move behind him, he kneels and reaches

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<v Speaker 1>back for her as she again opens her legs wide

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<v Speaker 1>to the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very sexually suggestive. When you're having a black

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<v Speaker 4>man manipulating a white woman's body on stage in that era,

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<v Speaker 4>it's salacious and it's shocking. But also it's very dangerous

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<v Speaker 4>potentially to that black artist because he's got to exit

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<v Speaker 4>the stage door. I don't know if that was even

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<v Speaker 4>a thought that I'm doing this. This is art and

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<v Speaker 4>it's beautiful art. But as I said during BLM, black

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<v Speaker 4>artists live black lives that matter, right, and so like

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<v Speaker 4>the idea that Arthur Mitchell was going to perform this,

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<v Speaker 4>but then he was also going to have to walk

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<v Speaker 4>down the street as a black man. I'm just wondering

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<v Speaker 4>if that, ever, you know, was thought of. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>that Arthur Mitchell probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought of it.

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<v Speaker 4>This is actually an interracial couple. By giving them the

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<v Speaker 4>specific movements that he gave them, he's really crossing societal

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<v Speaker 4>lines about what's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa says, every time she sees the padada danced by

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<v Speaker 1>a black man and a white woman, she gets a

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<v Speaker 1>nod in her stomach. She senses the danger and it

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<v Speaker 1>hits her on a cellular level.

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<v Speaker 4>Emmett Till was lynched in nineteen fifty five. Agon Is

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<v Speaker 4>choreographed in nineteen fifty seven. Emmett Till is a young

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<v Speaker 4>boy who it was suggested that he was flirting with

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<v Speaker 4>or whistled at, a white woman Balanchine as a black

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<v Speaker 4>male body on stage next to a white woman. They

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<v Speaker 4>both are scantily clad as dancers are right, the body

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<v Speaker 4>is fully exposed. And now when you think about the

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>movements of Agon, you tell me what you would see,

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<v Speaker 4>how you would feel, especially as a black person, it's

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<v Speaker 4>easy to just say, oh, it's a wonderful piece. It

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<v Speaker 4>was so courageous, courageous for whom who really needed the

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<v Speaker 4>courage to choreograph it, what courage was necessary to actually

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<v Speaker 4>perform it as a black man. That's where my mind

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<v Speaker 4>goes as I think about him choreographing and using blackness

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<v Speaker 4>again as a tool.

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<v Speaker 1>After over a decade in Valancine's company, Arthur Mitchell had

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<v Speaker 1>made up his mind.

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<v Speaker 5>I was dancing with New York City vallet and doctor

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<v Speaker 5>Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated, and I felt I

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<v Speaker 5>must come back to my community, Harlem and do something

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<v Speaker 5>and do what I do well, which was dance and

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<v Speaker 5>teach dancing. And I felt that the discipline that you

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<v Speaker 5>learned from studying the classic dance would then go into

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<v Speaker 5>the daily life of these young people, and they have

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<v Speaker 5>a sense of self esteem that yes, I can.

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<v Speaker 1>He started with a garage and poured all the money

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<v Speaker 1>he had into a dance floor, a bar and mirrors.

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<v Speaker 1>It got so hot under the tin roof they left

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<v Speaker 1>the sides open and kids started showing up. Just like

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<v Speaker 1>with balanging, it started with a school and from the school,

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Mitchell would build a company. How would you describe

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Mitchell as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>So but this amazing amount of energy. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>tenor voice. The first time I heard his voice, I

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, his voice is so high.

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Johnson was a founding member of Arthur Mitchell's ballet company, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He was always yelling. Oh my god, he was always yelling.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also had this laugh that he would after

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<v Speaker 2>he brutalizes you, No, he wasn't brutalizing you. After he

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<v Speaker 2>directs you very distinctly. Then he'd find some joke to say,

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>and then he would laugh and it would be punctuated

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<v Speaker 2>with that Arthur Mitchell laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a story Virginia Johnson has told many times. She

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<v Speaker 1>was born in nineteen fifty and she started ballet when

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<v Speaker 1>she was three years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with it right from the start

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<v Speaker 2>because I loved moving to music. I loved the whole

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>idea of making the music in my body and having

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>some relationship to this thing that was so incredibly beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia trained and grew as a dancer at her school

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, DC, and it graduated. She planned to pursue

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<v Speaker 1>ballet as a career.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was graduating, the director called me in and

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>she said, well, you know, Virginia, you're going to have

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a career. You're very talented, but nobody's going to hire

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>you in ballet. But it was the reality. The reality

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<v Speaker 2>is nobody was going to hire.

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<v Speaker 1>Me at this point in nineteen sixty nine, The New

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>York City Ballet, for example, had literally never hired a

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>black female dancer, not one.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>She said, you should go ahead and try modern dance,

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<v Speaker 2>try contemporary dance, ty jazz, things I had never studied.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of auditioning for ballet companies, Virginia went to NYU.

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>She studied modern dance and joined the Black Student Union,

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<v Speaker 1>all the while missing ballet.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember we went and visited the president of the

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>university at some point told him that he had to

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<v Speaker 2>deinvest from South Africa. So I had a little bit

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 2>of a militant phase. But those people were looking at

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>me like, well, what's wrong with you? Why are you

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a ballet dancer? And so I was a young person.

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<v Speaker 2>I took that very seriously. Why I am a I

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<v Speaker 2>a ballad answer? That was a really rough period, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did have this identity that was not acceptable to

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<v Speaker 2>what people thought I should have, and there were many

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 2>periods of questioning about that. I became aware of the

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>fact that, oh my god, I'm doing this art form

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not an art form that is usually assigned

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to my race. But you know, the love of it

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>was so strong, and the identity I felt in it

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>was so strong. I didn't feel like it was something

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<v Speaker 2>that was applicate. I felt like it was something that

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<v Speaker 2>it's essentially who I am. Ballet is essentially who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia heard that Arthur Mitchell was teaching ballet classes in

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<v Speaker 1>Harlem on Saturdays. So she figured she'd go get her

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>ballet fixed each Saturday and she'd be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So what up?

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Mitchell taught in a church basement on Saint Nicholas

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<v Speaker 1>in one hundred and forty first Street.

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<v Speaker 2>And I came and took class for the company. That

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<v Speaker 2>first time, he looked at me and he said, well,

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 2>there's some material there, but I'm going to have to

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>retrain you. You can't dance at all. And that's what he

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 2>said to me after the class. Well, you know, it

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>was a test. It was a total test. Let me

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>be as harsh to this woman as I possibly can

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and see if she comes back.

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>And what was he testing?

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>He was testing my determination, He was testing my what

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 2>is that insulation? Can I keep the person separate from

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the artist to be Can I wound her so much

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that she can't stand it? Or can she just like

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>put on the armor and do what needs to be done. Horrible,

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>but you need to be very, very, very very strong

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>to be a ballet dancer.

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>What Virginia learned when she took that ballet class was

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that Arthur Mitchell was starting his own ballet company, the

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Dance Theater of Harlem.

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>And so I had to get my parents to understand

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>that I should walk away from the full scholarship and

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>stipend at NYU. I was like, wait, what, You're going

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to walk away from that to work in the basement

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>of a church with this maniac on a ballet company

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 2>that nobody wants. This is what I wanted. I was

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 2>and Mitchell knew that he was creating a company, was

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 2>set out to do something that people said couldn't happen,

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>So he didn't want to have to hold people's hand

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>through that process, like Okay, are you going to be

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a warrior or are you going to be a whimp?

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 2>And the only one at Warriors? The established Vallet community

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>were dubious about whether we should be in existence and

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>whether we could make this work. Also, in the black press,

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 2>there were people going, you know, why this is the

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties, Why are you doing the white man's art form.

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 2>You should be doing your own heritage, something that has

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>some validity. But isn't my heritage whatever I took in

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>here in this country, and isn't this part of it.

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>We did feel a sense of power by being together.

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Arthur Mitchell was such a dynamic and visionary leader. He

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>took all of this very mixed bag of people and

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 2>created a company, made us into one, and made us

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>into his army of changing people's minds. There was a

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of talking about what we represented and how we

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>had to be flawless. We were charged with being super

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>people all the way through. We had to look right,

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>We had to dance right. We had to behave right,

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and it was a very narrowly defined right. Lots of

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 2>people didn't make it in those first dance theater Hollen

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>days because he was very strict about how he wanted

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>us to represent twenty four to seven. They were talented

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>dancers who just felt like they should be free to

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>be who they were. But each of us agreed that

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>this was more important than our individual need to be

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>an individual to make the statement about what was possible

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>in the art form.

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Still, sometimes individuality was part of the message, and it

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>started with something basic tights.

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 2>People think about ballet as pink tights and point shusy,

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and we in the very beginning more pink tights and

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 2>point SHOs because we wanted to match that look.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>But ballet pink is not just pink. It's about creating

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>an elongated line, one that stretches from the tips of

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>your fingers to your face, to your legs to your toes.

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>For white dancers, pink does that. But Yangie Stevenson, another

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>member of Dance Leader of Harlem, wanted to do things differently.

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Before she joined Arthur Mitchell's company, she'd received a scholarship

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to the school of American Ballet. It had been her

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>dream to join Balanchine's company. She stayed in the school

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.240
<v Speaker 1>for years waiting to be chosen by Balanchin. But Teresa

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Ruth Howard says, Yan, she wasn't given the chance.

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 4>She's training, she's seeing her white colleagues get contracts, and

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 4>her teacher asked, well, do you want me to ask

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 4>mister Balancin what he wants to do with you? And

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 4>the teacher came back and said, well, you know, he's

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 4>just not ready to break the line. And Yan, she

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 4>was a deeply brown skinned woman, right, And so I

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 4>always say, you can't break a line if you don't

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 4>make a line. But if you add that up with

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 4>the peeled apple, then we start to see a different picture.

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yan.

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>She later said she noticed when she wore pink tights

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>her arms didn't match her legs. She felt disjointed. Now

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>at Dance Theater of Harlem, Yan she was on a

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>mission to make a change to that very line.

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>She would wear flesh colored tights over her pink tights

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and rehearsal.

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>She thought the flesh colored tights gave her a better line,

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and she took it up with Arthur Mitchell.

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>And she kept bugging him. She kept saying, we should

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>be wearing flesh colored tights.

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Clearly, Arthur Mitchell was drawn to this idea. He thought

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>this was a statement his company could make, and he

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>must have started scheming with the wardrobe mistress.

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Because she had to dye the tights. She had to

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 2>dye all these different shades of brown.

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.959
<v Speaker 1>All these smooth, feathery strips of fabric in a range

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of beautiful brown heath. To get this prism of colors,

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the wardrobe mistress would need precision, and to extend the line,

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the shoes would need to match too. They debuted their

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>new look on a European tour.

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 2>We were all different shades of brown, and so everybody

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 2>had a pair of tights that met their own skin color.

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>So when the curtain goes up on the stage, then

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 2>you have this. It's not a rainbow, but it's all

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>these shoes and it's so rich, and it's so nuanced,

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's so individual, non matching, and that was part

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>of what was so gorgeous about dancing aar and we've

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>had flash colored tights ever since.

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Virginia loved to dance, But weirdly enough, she absolutely hated performing.

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I was afraid of it, you know, I was so

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 2>afraid of.

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>It, especially in some of Valancine's ballets like Agon.

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I was not the athletic, abstract ballery. I never had

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 2>that kind of sharp clarity, that precision, and I felt

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 2>so exposed in those works. But then we started doing

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 2>story ballets. That's my home. I love telling stories.

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>She danced in a Fellow Streetcarnde Desire Creole Gizelle. Virginia

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>was the main character Giselle.

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>The story ballets You're Not You. Those were ballets that

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get as nervous in because it wasn't me.

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I could become that person.

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Virginia was finding herself as a dancer. She was a

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>dramatic ballerina, a great one.

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I could feel the audience come to me, and I

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>could feel myself go out to them, and I could

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>feel that really dynamic connection between us living that story.

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>That thing would happen, right. It gets a different kind

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of quiet. It's like you're in a vacuum together. You

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 2>notice that there's no sound, that's the first thing you notice,

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 2>But then you feel it in your heart. You feel

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>like there's a hole sort of in your STERNA. Yeah,

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 2>in the center, in the core of your being. You

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>feel the energy coming in here and you just feel

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 2>this exchange of energy and it's nothing like it.

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Virginia held a special place and dance Theater of Harlem,

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>a founding member of Principal, A ballerina who danced the

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>great roles. She was quiet and focused, always at the

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>section of the ballet bar, distant from the rest, close

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to Arthur Mitchell. Arthur Mitchell said she was one of

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the truly great ballerinas dancing today. He called her my Virginia.

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>How would you describe your relationship with Arthur Mitchell?

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Obedient servant dancers were seen and not heard at all.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Once again, it's a different time from now. It was

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 2>a very hierarchical environment where decisions were made above our

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 2>heads and we followed through. It was about serving a

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>vision to present the ideal was for the greater good

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 2>of everyone, and I also the obedient part was a

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>necessity to get the work done. In retrospect, I think

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>he had respect for who I was and what I

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>could do, but that wasn't something that he could manifest

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis. I can remember feeling so crushed

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and unhappy, but getting to do what I love doing.

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>So you know it's a trade off. You say, Okay,

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 2>that's hurt, but ooh look what I have. What hurt? Well?

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>You never I never felt that I was doing it right,

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>that I was good enough, that it was the thing

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 2>that it should be. Never. Never, there was never a

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>moment I was like good.

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Never.

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 2>No, no, it could always be better. It could always

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:37.439
<v Speaker 2>be better.

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Virginia says she only stopped dancing when she realized she

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to get any better than she already was.

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Then I had to say, I've got to go. It's

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>time to go.

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>After twenty eight years with the company, she retired from

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the stage. She became the founding editor in chief of

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Point Magazine, a magazine I poured over and kept in slippery,

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>lopsided piles under my bed as a kid. In the meantime,

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>dance Leader of Harlem was struggling. Money was always an issue,

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and in two thousand and four the company went on hiatus.

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 1>The break was supposed to be temporary, but years passed,

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and then in two thousand and nine, Arthur Mitchell called Virginia.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 2>He said, well, look, you know I'm going to leave,

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 2>and I want you to take over.

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>He asked her to take over Dance Theater of Harlem.

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>She felt she couldn't say no.

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I definitely, definitely, definitely did not want to be the

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 2>brutal leader that Arthur Mitchell was. I definitely wanted to

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 2>be somebody who recognized the individuals in the room and

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>got them to grow and to become great artists without

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>harming them. Simple enough, they're not just bodies to be shaped.

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>She's a wiggle monster, A wiggle monster, wiggle monster, you're.

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Gonna Virginia Johnson leads a rehearsal with a toddler on

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>her lap. She's on tour with Dance Theater of Harlem,

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's one of the dancers.

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Babies, you're so strong.

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Whoa. The little girl comes along on tour with the company,

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and Virginia and the other dancers keep her on their

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>hips when mom is dancing.

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 2>What oh, she said, words too? She said words? What

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>words are we saying?

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Then Virginia stands to give more pointed direction.

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So the tour is fine. I'm not worried about that.

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>But then everything just kind of goes flat and we

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>have to have the three dimensional quality. Yeah, so you

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>have you do downstage and upstage and then downstage. Yeah.

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>For me, it seems like the hard thing is the season,

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>not the tour, the double tour. You have to make

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 2>the season. Yes, my goodness, you can't look in the

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 2>mirror and then you turned face up stage, So you

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>have to have that clarity.

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.720
<v Speaker 1>There are nineteen dancers in the company now. But Virginia

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 1>says when she first started to rebuild a dance theater

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>of Harlem from scratch, the task wasn't easy. She decided

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to have a national audition.

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>To her we would have two hundred people in the

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>room and five of them would be black. And that

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 2>was a very sobering moment. It was a very sobering moment.

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.439
<v Speaker 2>And that hit me like, Okay, you know, Dance Seat

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 2>of Harlem has been off the stage for almost ten years,

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 2>and people are no longer thinking about us in ballet now.

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I was not just looking for African American dancers, and

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't just hire African American dancers, but that's an

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 2>important part of our message to put us on the

0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>stage where other companies weren't. Even as late as twenty

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>ten eleven, nobody wanted us in ballet. You know, it's

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>still like, oh, well, you know, you can do the

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 2>contemporary stuff, but you can't do the ballet stuff.

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Black ballet dancers still hear this all the time. Maybe

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>try contemporary. I talked to a dance leader of Harlem

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.479
<v Speaker 1>company member whose teacher said this just a few years ago.

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 4>You know, as we begin to fill in or rewrite

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 4>the narrative, correct the narrative, we're starting to uncover the

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 4>reality that whiteness as a construct has continuously used blackness

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 4>to expand itself, if you.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Will, and then erasing that source in a way.

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 4>When you to be blunt when you are stealing things

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:58.720
<v Speaker 4>from people, are you citing your sources? Yes, I stole

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 4>this from over here. No, And here's the reality. And

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 4>I say that glibly. But the reality is is that

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't even considered to be stealing, Like the idea

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 4>that white people thought that entitlement meant that they could

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<v Speaker 4>take anything they wanted and absorb it. There was never

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<v Speaker 4>even an idea that one should include these people. They're

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<v Speaker 4>lesser than right, given that it would make sense that

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<v Speaker 4>no one in the Balanchine legacy would be talking about

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<v Speaker 4>it that overtly they would not be owning that because

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<v Speaker 4>he himself didn't own it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's not part of the oral history that gets

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<v Speaker 1>passed down from dancer to student to next generation of

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<v Speaker 1>ballet students.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely not, because they don't see it as a part

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<v Speaker 4>of their story. Actually they see it as a footnote.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and then that thing. They don't see it as

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<v Speaker 4>the actual sort of nucleus of what we understand to

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<v Speaker 4>be the balancing aesthetic, that it's based on the African aesthetic.

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<v Speaker 4>But what if we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on the Turning?

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<v Speaker 6>In ballet companies, there's a lot of couples. I remember

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<v Speaker 6>thinking to myself, I should get a boyfriend in the

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<v Speaker 6>company to secure my job. If I could, like really

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<v Speaker 6>show that I was a straight woman somehow, that would

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<v Speaker 6>secure my spot.

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<v Speaker 1>The Turning is a production of Rococo, Punch and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's written and produced by Alan Lance Lesser and Me.

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<v Speaker 1>Our story editor is Emily Foreman. Mixing and sound designed

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<v Speaker 1>by James Trout. Jessica Crisa is our assistant producer. Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>Assuage is our digital producer. Fact checking by Andrea Lopez Crusado.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to Brenda Dixon Gotshield, who traced the Africanist

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<v Speaker 1>esthetic through Balanjine's ballets in her book Digging the Africanist

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<v Speaker 1>Presence in American Performance, Dance and other contexts. Also special

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Teresa Ruth Howard. She's created an incredible online

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<v Speaker 1>resource called Memoirs of Blacks in Ballet or mob Ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>It presents the stories of more than six hundred Black

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<v Speaker 1>artists in the field of ballet. You can read them

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<v Speaker 1>all at mobballet dot org. Our executive producers are John

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<v Speaker 1>Parati and Jessica Alpert at Rocco Punch at Gatrina Norbel

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<v Speaker 1>and Nikki Etour at iHeart Podcasts. For photos and more

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<v Speaker 1>details on the series, follow us on Instagram at Rococo Punch,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can reach out via email The Turning at

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<v Speaker 1>Rococo Punch dot com. I'm Erica Lance. Thanks for listening.