1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Need to keep his promises. You don't know what's true anymore. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: It hurts me to see people burning the fierce relations 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: that I just saw, like the politics unbelievable. It's what 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: you've been waiting for all day. America now, Buck Sexton 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: with America now joined the conversation called Buck toll free 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: four d to eight to five. Sharp mind, strong voice, 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. We've come full circle, everybody. We are back 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: to square one with the healthcare debate, the healthcare discussion, 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: at least with the Democrats. I don't know. Maybe there's 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: some comfort we can all take in that nothing surprising here. 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: We are back to the original trick with the Democrats, 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: which is to say that Republicans just want old people 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: and poor people to die or to die faster because 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: they don't have access equality healthcare, that the GOP wants 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: old and poor people to die. I am not exaggerating. 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: I am not pulling this out of nowhere. This is 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: the reality of the counter argument now instead of just 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: digging into the details, because I think the more people 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: look at the current state of the healthcare reform bill 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: that's out there, the more they'll see how much work 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: still needs to be done, even on the Republican side. 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: But there seems to be an admission of that as well. 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: Gop realizes this is not the final and stage of 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: the bill. But you've got folks out there on the 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Democrats side who were saying, this is about old and 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: poor people dying, and greedy Republicans just standing on the 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: sidelines watching, watching as the old and poor with her away, 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: greedy Republicans with their monocles and their top hats. Oh, 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: I say, I just wish the pool and the old 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: dog so much faster. Not actually what's happening here, but 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: it does make for good politics for Democrats because then 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: they can get away with offering up any number of 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: bad ideas because at least they don't want the undesirables 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: to die. Ridiculous Republicans are so so ghosh uh. Here's 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders saying, more or less year Republicans, this is 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: about death and people dying, and they don't care. Play clip. 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: If Obamacare is repealed, we are looking at hundreds of 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: thousands of people who got Medicaid extension losing that, and 40 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: how many of those folks will die? How many of 41 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: those folks will lose the opioid treatment that they now have. 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: It is a lot. I don't know exactly, but it 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: is a whole lot. I've got a remember for you, Bernie. 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: Uh Zero, The expectation is that zero people will die 45 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: because they lose their health insurance. Here. First, of all, 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: medicaid has been shown by studies that I have yet 47 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: to see anybody even attempt to debunk, produce no better 48 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: health outcome for the people with access to it. Medicaid 49 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: doesn't produce any better health outcome in the aggregate than 50 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: those without Medicaid. This is largely because Medicaid is so 51 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: poorly run that doctors don't take it. Many hospitals don't 52 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: want to take it unless they have to in the 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: e er where they have to take patience, And so 54 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: your health outcomes are not markedly better if you do 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: have Medicaid. So there's no reason to believe that anybody 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: in fact who has Medicaid and then doesn't have Medicaid. Specifically, 57 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: as a result of this bill and the other procedures 58 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: that would be put in place, you would then have 59 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: tax credit subsidies to buy insurance. Bernie makes it sound like, 60 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: if this isn't handed to you free as a welfare 61 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: program from the government, then it's nothing. Then you're out 62 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: in the cold. Then it's just Republicans top hats and 63 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: monocles with ascots on their necks just say saying I 64 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: just wish the pool would tend to their own healthcare 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: needs and they would just get out of all way 66 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: and stuff taking up so much of all healthcare resources. 67 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't know many Republicans who sound like that. I 68 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: do know plenty of Democrats that actually view the world 69 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: that way, but that's a different discussion, I suppose. But 70 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders isn't the only one who's saying people will 71 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: die because of this, which is this? I mean, I 72 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: know he's not saying how many of these everybody dies? 73 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: He's obviously saying he says, how many of these folks 74 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: will die? Well, the answer is everyone, of course, in 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the long run. But he means as a result of 76 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: this healthcare bill, the answer is zero. But that's not 77 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: how Bernie sees it. Based on all the studies that 78 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: we have, it would be zero. But he doesn't care 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: because there's there are political points to score here, and 80 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: then you've got democratic Representative Tom Swosi on healthcare reform, 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: and he also is saying, this is a life This 82 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: is a life and death issues. People are gonna be 83 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: dying in the streets, man, unless we keep Obamacare. Play clip, 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: real people's lives that are affective. This is really a 85 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: life and depth thing. You know. We think about the 86 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: politics of it all the Republicans, the Democrats. These are 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: people's lives we're talking about. These are people's lives we're 88 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: talking about. That is true when you're talking about health care. 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: But Obamacare hasn't improved the health outcomes for many of 90 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: the people who have lost their plans. Obamacare hasn't improved 91 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: the health outcomes for those who just choose to pay 92 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: a penalty instead of getting a healthcare plan. And when 93 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: you look at the various states that only have one 94 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: plan that has offered a plan with a very high deductible, 95 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: at what point are we going to recognize that this 96 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: is not really about healthcare. For the Democratic Party, health 97 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: care is the vessel. Healthcare is the excuse to talk 98 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: about these issues. But this is really about something much 99 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: more fundamental. This is an argument about the state. It's 100 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: an argument about state is um because whether you're talking 101 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: about the GOP repeal bill as it stands now, or 102 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: Obamacare with its individual mandate. This is about the state 103 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: saying that you will be protected from your own bad decisions. 104 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: You will be protected from the choice not to buy 105 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: a health insurance plan, you will be forced into a 106 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: health insurance plan that you do not want, because ultimately, 107 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: this is about whether you are responsible for your choices 108 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: or not. See the way the Republicans are trying to 109 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: set this whole thing up, it would be much easier 110 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: for you to buy a healthcare plan. It would be 111 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: a tax credit, and it would be easier for you 112 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: to do so that's at least assuming they get done 113 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: in stage two, in stage three what they're saying they're 114 00:06:54,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: going to do. But there is the possibility, as we 115 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: saw yesterday with the twenty four million, that may not 116 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: be ensure that was the real languages may not be 117 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: because people would choose the individual mandate would go away, 118 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: so people choose not to have insurance. They're gonna make 119 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: it easier for you to buy insurance. They'll be subsidies 120 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: for people who are can prove they're of a certain 121 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: income to get insurance. Of course, there would be still Medicaid, 122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be a as much of a blank 123 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: check from the federal government for states to cover people 124 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: on Medicaid. I shouldn't say it's a blank check, but 125 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: it's the the account is always open and it's always overdrawn. 126 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they just we're gonna it's gonna be more 127 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: and more and more. And then it just becomes a 128 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: question of well, what can you what benefits can you 129 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: lobby for? The Democrats then can just offer up more goodies? 130 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: And who is going to be the one who wants 131 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: to stand on the opposite side, in front of a podium, 132 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: opposite side of a stage and say no, those those 133 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: recent immigrants to this country that that want not just 134 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: basic health care coverage, but you know, they want maternity benefits, 135 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: and they want I don't know, acupuncture, and you name it, 136 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: whatever the stuff is that Obamacare says you have to 137 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: take care of. It becomes very politically unpalatable be the 138 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: one standing there on the other side saying no, don't 139 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: give that to those people in need. Maybe with acupuncture 140 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: we could get away with saying it, but with other 141 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: things it would look bad. So they're trying to put 142 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: some built in constraints on how much the federal government 143 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: could spend on that program. But but ultimately I returned 144 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: to the central question here because this is what both 145 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats have to face up to, and neither 146 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: of them want to because we don't think of healthcare 147 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: in this country as something for which you, as an individual, 148 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: are responsible. Both sides have really fallen into a state 149 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: where they believe the state is what gives you healthcare. 150 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: The state has an obligation to give you healthcare. It's 151 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: just a question of now how we pay for it. 152 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: The state has an obligation to provide benefits to you 153 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: in the form of your health care coverage. And by 154 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the way, you notice, I'm not even saying health insurance 155 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: because this isn't about insurance, and that obscures the real 156 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: core of the discussion. Does government have to provide health 157 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: care for you? If we agree the answer to that 158 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: is yes, then government has control over your health care. 159 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: And if government has control over your health care, not 160 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: only does it get to dictate what happens in a 161 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: large and growing sector of the U. S economy, it 162 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: gets to involve itself in your personal finances, in your 163 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: life and in your health care decisions, because you're relying 164 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: on the government to give you health care, whether partially 165 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: or entirely. If you live under the government's roof, so 166 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: to speak, you're gonna live under the government's rules. If 167 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: we only offer up a slightly better version of the 168 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: government deter meaning what health care looks like for each 169 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: and every one of us. This is never really going 170 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: to get better. But to get to a better place, 171 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: a truly better place with this, not only would we 172 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: have to repeal Obamacare in its entirety, and and that 173 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 1: that's being taken off the table at this point, and 174 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: it really has is disconcerting, but we'd have to look 175 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: at the look at the American people, say, listen, we're 176 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: going to make it so that every American will have 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: it within their means This will be means tested to 178 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: get an insurance plan. But that also means that you're 179 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: going to have to pay more for your health care 180 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: in general, that health care for a while is going 181 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: to be something that you pay for. This is going 182 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: to have to come before some other things that we 183 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: all spend money on. There's not some other magic Santa 184 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: claus like figure out there. The federal government does not 185 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: get to be Santa Claus here that's going to provide 186 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: this for you. It's going to be more expense of 187 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: or rather, when I mean more expensive, people are going 188 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: to be paying a portion of their income for health care. 189 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: That has to happen. And also, and this is probably 190 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: more to the point if people choose not to in 191 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: that system when you can buy what is a health 192 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: insurance plan, not free health care in a health insurance 193 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: And now, of course we have to look at where 194 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: is the cut off and how do we phase it 195 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: in and phase it out? And I understand this. This 196 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: is where it does become complicated because we have also 197 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: accepted the argument that health care is at some level 198 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: a basic right. Now. I don't know many of you say, well, 199 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: it's not the Constitution, Buck, and I would say, yeah, 200 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: I know. But you've got two political parties that do 201 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: believe that some level of health care is a basic right. 202 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if any I don't think either side 203 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: is going to change a tune on that. There are 204 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: no there is no movement right now to speak of 205 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: within either certainly not on the Democrats side of things. 206 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: Because health care is the fastest way we get to 207 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: democratic socialism. They know it. That's why they love it 208 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: so much. They're still looking at single, single pair down 209 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: the line, or they haven't given up on that. Why 210 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: do you think you've got Bernie Sanders, the most prominent 211 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,239 Speaker 1: Democrats socialist, at least open Democrats socialist in the Democratic 212 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Party and in the United States, saying this is about 213 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: letting old and sick people die, and others as well. 214 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: Because they want to emotionalize the issue, and they're hoping 215 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: to take us to a place where the American people say, 216 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: you know what, enough is enough, just just the government 217 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: will pay for it, the government will run it. They 218 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: wanted to get to that stage. They think that would 219 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: be a better and more just version of health care. 220 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: They don't think that there should be individual choice involved 221 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: in this. It should just be the government gives you 222 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: what the government thinks you should get, and we're all 223 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be happy and thankful for that. This is 224 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: a central philosophical argument underway right now. And you have 225 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: too political parties that are really just fighting over the 226 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: size of the subsidy. They're fighting over how much the 227 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: government will do for you. Neither side is saying we're 228 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: going to step out of the way entirely. This is 229 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: going to be a free market system, and short of 230 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: emergency or life saving care, we're not We're not going 231 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: to do this for people. You're you're on your own. 232 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: No one's saying that, so you can see already it's 233 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: just a negotiation over the size of the tab the 234 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: taxpayer is going to pick up for a government involve 235 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: health care system, a government not quite dictated yet but increasingly. 236 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: And this is disconcerting because ultimately it's about absolving people 237 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: of their own choices and the responsibility that comes with 238 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: those choices. So once we set up these plans, once 239 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden possible for everyone to buy 240 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: a plan, as I've been saying to you, and I 241 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: don't think you're hearing this from many other people, but 242 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: this is reality. And I speak to friends of mine 243 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: that work in medicine about it, that are health care 244 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: policy experts, and some of them will disagree with me. 245 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: Sure a lot of them will disagree with me, but 246 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: ultimately they'll all have been, well, you know, you're kind 247 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: of right, and yeah, I am kind of right, as in, 248 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm right if you're not willing to make people abide 249 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: by their decisions. You don't have an insurance market, you 250 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: have subsidized, government dictated care. You want to get away 251 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: from that. Maybe then costs come down, everything gets cheaper. Otherwise, 252 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: it's just a slightly better version of Obamacare. And we 253 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: haven't even touched Medicare and Medicaid yet with all this, really, 254 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: I mean Medicaid a little bit, but Medicare remains untouched. 255 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: All right, I've I've got a lot more. Uh. The 256 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: back and forth over this I find fascinating, and we'll 257 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: get into some other topics as well. Buck Sexton with 258 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: America now Here, eight four four to eight to five. 259 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you have thoughts on healthcare. 260 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: Light up the board, let me know what you think. 261 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back, team, Buck Sexton with 262 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: America now Here. So I uh, I actually was going 263 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: through some of my research they for the show, and 264 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: I came across, uh piece, a short piece by Kevin 265 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: Williamson on a National Review dot com. Kevin is an 266 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: excellent writer, and he goes into more or less what 267 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm to talking about, what the point that I was 268 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: making me for about how nobody wants to just speak 269 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: the truth on all of this, and it all. It 270 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: all comes down to whether we can have an emotional appeal, 271 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: a psychological appeal for certain policies, not what does this 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: mean in the dollars and cents In a dollars and 273 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: cents way, Here's what he writes. An example of what 274 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: is wrong with our health insurance health care system can 275 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: be found in a humane and well intentioned bill in 276 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: the Texas legislature that would require Texas insurance companies to 277 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: cover the cost of hearing aids for children. The case 278 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: for the bill is exactly what you would expect, presented 279 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: in exactly the way you would expect. A public radio 280 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: story on the subject earlier this week focused on a 281 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: mother describing her feelings of grief and helplessness after she 282 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: discovered her daughter was born with a severe hearing problem. 283 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: For newborn children who can benefit from hearing aids, sooner 284 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: is better. The sooner the hearing aids are in use, 285 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: the better the child chances of normal language development. And 286 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: the case against the bill is exactly what you would expect, 287 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: presented an exactly the way you would expect. BIS this 288 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: groups oppose the mandate as they oppose all additional mandates. 289 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Arguing that such mandates increase the cost of health insurance 290 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: for all Texans and employers who provide insurance. Now, in 291 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: this case, he then goes into the number of children 292 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: born in Texas in each year that these hearing aids, 293 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: which can cost up to five thousand dollars, how many 294 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: of those children, roughly speaking, would maybe need one of 295 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: these hearing aids, and the total bill for the state 296 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: of Texas for hearing aids for children born with it 297 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: very sympathetic, of course, people, we all want to help 298 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: children that have a hearing loss and make sure they 299 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: have normal speech. I'm somebody who had a speech impediment 300 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: as a kid, so I'm also particularly sensitive to the issue, 301 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I believe or not. Radio host with a speech impediment 302 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: as a as a kid had to have a speech 303 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: therapy for quite a while. But he says, look, either 304 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: there are two ways you can go about this. You 305 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: can either add this in as a mandate, and everyone 306 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: feels good about themselves. But then they realize that the 307 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: insurance company plays middleman here and is going to obviously 308 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: do what it can to make sure that they don't 309 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: take a loss, so they're gonna raise rates for every buddy, 310 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: or you can just realize that this is gonna cost 311 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: roughly a million to three million dollars for the whole 312 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: state of Texas. And as he puts it, just cut 313 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: out the government and so much. Just right a check 314 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: forget the insurance mandate and just write the check. We 315 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: can afford the hearing aids. We cannot afford the stupidity, 316 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: he says here, meaning the stupidity of government and insurance 317 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: companies working together to decide the best ways to cover this. 318 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: But this is a perfect example. You know, do you 319 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: what do you oppose this? You don't want hearing aids 320 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: for children that have severe hearing laws, Well, now we 321 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: all pay for now. Now the insurance mandate comes into it. 322 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Instead of looking at what the cost would be and 323 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: just saying, you know what we're going to pay for this, 324 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: we have a middleman now, the insurance company that gets 325 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: to decide how this gets factored in. It may mean 326 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: by the way that other services are not covered. I 327 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: mean some there is no free lunch. Somebody always pays. 328 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: That's as I look at all the machinations going on 329 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: right now with the House GOP bill, that keeps unning 330 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: through my head that they're trying to find creative and 331 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: constructive ways to have other people paying for stuff for 332 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: some other people. That's and I know that sounds vague, 333 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: but that's true. There's always some effort here to do 334 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: cost shifting and take money from some people to give 335 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: it to others. And there's all these middlemen and all 336 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: these uh different hospitals. By the way, you see, they're 337 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: so opposed to removing Obamacare as it stands now because 338 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: it's been great for for a lot of hospitals. I mean, 339 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: and now you've got all these people that have subsidized care, 340 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: they're going to the hospital, they're using more care, and 341 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: they figure that Well, I'll get into what the Democrats 342 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: answer is, but I can cut to the chase with 343 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: with what really comes at the end of all of this. 344 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: They don't think Obamacare is failing. They just think that 345 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: the quote rich or those who make enough money to 346 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: buy their own health insurance without subsidies, I think that 347 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: now qualifies you as rich. To Democrats. Uh, they just 348 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: want there to be more tax dollars shoveled into the system. 349 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: And does anybody think that's do you think you're gonna 350 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: get better health care? Outcomes. When more tax dollars from 351 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: the federal government go into this system, you think that's 352 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: going to help, that's going to make the problems go away. 353 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 1: And then of course that just encourages people to have 354 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: more expensive mandates and to push for more coverage, and 355 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: not just more coverage, but fancier coverage, more expensive coverage. 356 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: We've got more. Stay with me, Buck Sexton, with America 357 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: now where there is always something to talk about where 358 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure you'll win, though. 359 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight 360 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: four four d to eight to five. All right, Buck, 361 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: you're on. There's been some managing of expectations going on 362 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: with the GOP. You have Spicy during one of his 363 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: trademark press conferences today where he is now appointment viewing. 364 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: People are very excited to see what Spice he's gotten 365 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: store for us in the West wing, and he of 366 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: course went asked about a lot of a lot of 367 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: stuff with the healthcare bills. Right now is focused on 368 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: the CBO. As I told you yesterday, the CBO becomes 369 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: a political football, and well, Spicy punted the CBO here 370 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: play it in the CBO estimated million people would have 371 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: coverage under Obamacare. In they were way off. They were 372 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: off by thirteen million people over fifty. In fact, only 373 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: ten point four million people are actually covered. Reports now 374 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: suggested that numbers doittled down to nine million. CBO coverage 375 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: estimates are consistently wrong, and more importantly, did not take 376 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: into consideration the three the comprehensive nature of the three 377 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: pronged plan to repeal and replace Obamacare with the American 378 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: Healthcare Act, we're working to bring real relief and better choices. 379 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: We get the rest of it. Now, it's into the now, 380 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: it's into the road talking point. You know, we're gonna okay, great, 381 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: But the critical point there I wanted to get to 382 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: is that they're just saying the CBO is wrong, and yeah, 383 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: this b BO probably is wrong. What do you want 384 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: the CBO to do? Do you think you'd get a 385 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: proper mathematical equation out of and answer out of Speaking 386 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: to a bunch of politicians be very hard to do 387 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: because you have to take their word for what they're 388 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: going to do and how this will play out, and 389 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: that's not usually going to be accurate. Another version of 390 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: this managing of expectations going on now within the GOP 391 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about I'll get to the Democrats in the second. 392 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: Don't worry. Well, we'll touch on that in just a minute. 393 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: You've got former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, who 394 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: is just omni president all over media all the time. 395 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: This guy's like every time I feel like every time 396 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: it's from the TV. They're like, we need someone to 397 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: explain something. Let's get Newt Gingrich on it. Okay. Uh. 398 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: He had this to say about the legislative Well, one 399 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: of the more abused analogies out there or overused analogies, 400 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: legislative sausage making nineteen hit it. Look, this is the process. 401 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: So there had to be a bill to mark up. 402 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: They brought out a bill that people on both sides. 403 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna have some modern Republicans a little heartburn. You're 404 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: gonna have some conservative Republicans with some heartburn. Now they've 405 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: got to go through a process, and it's it's it's 406 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: a messy process. You ain't gonna get a sir line steak. 407 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: There is no way in the American legislative process to 408 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: get a sir line steak. Because we might get a 409 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: slightly tastier sausage. That's what he's telling you're gonna get here, 410 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: a slightly tastier sausage. After all this, after the years 411 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: of Obamacare is a liberty destroying, healthcare ruining monstrosity. After 412 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: years of that, now we've got the GOP dare we 413 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: say elites, the GOP opinion leaders, telling us that we're 414 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: gonna get a slightly better sausage. We're not going to 415 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: get a steak at us. I'm I'm pretty sure I 416 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: was promised a steak. I think the American I think 417 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: certainly conservatives feel like they were promised to steak, or 418 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: at least that they'd be given the option to I 419 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: a U. S. D A H New York strip with 420 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: all the fixings for a good price if they wanted 421 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: to buy it. But instead we're being told no, no, 422 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: you're you're You're just gonna be different, different kinds of sausage. 423 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: That's what comes out of this whole healthcare process that 424 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: is disappointing. But I don't think we're done yet. I 425 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: don't think that we can say that uh, former Speaker 426 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: Gingrich is necessarily correct. Total side note, by the way, 427 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't like this with with the exception of generals 428 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: I and you know, with that exception of military rank. 429 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: This keeping your government title even when you're out of government, 430 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. No, that's that's to me is a problem. 431 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we should have. You know, I don't 432 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: think anybody who was is formerly put in the government 433 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: title should be referred to forever as Mr or Mrs 434 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: Mr or MS so and so x something sure, former something, sure, 435 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: But this keeping of titles, it's I know, it's just 436 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: a it's a small point, and I'm much we have 437 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: much more important things to discuss today. But I don't 438 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: like it. I will tell you it sits poorly with me, 439 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: and I think that there should be a move to 440 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: undo that, as in, we should just stop extending this 441 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: weird courtesy of referring to people who used to have 442 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: a certain government position as though they still have it. Um. 443 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard people, you know what they people 444 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: call her speaker Pelosi, and I'm just like, no, no, 445 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that, you know, a Congresswoman 446 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: Pelosi Shore but speaker Pelosi know or you know anyway, 447 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: and see this with ambassadors too. All these are you know, 448 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them are your ambassador forever or no, 449 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: you're your former ambassador. Uh. This this should be done also, 450 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: not just because I think that it is strangely non 451 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: and it should be considered a not American thing to 452 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: keep your government title even after you're no longer in government. Again, 453 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: exception made for military um, and that's because it's an 454 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: honorific right. That's because there we're we're maybe look, I 455 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: know you could do the same thing with people that 456 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: are serving an elected office, but I just I just 457 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: disagree with that calculation. Okay, I'm getting too far into this. 458 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: I apologize. Let's get back on task here, back on track. Um, 459 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: you got the Democrat version of things too, so so 460 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: speak I speaker Gangwich is about to happen, Newt Gingrich 461 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: new saying stuff about the health care bill that it's 462 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: he's managing expectations. And then you've got the Democrats out 463 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: of things, and you have a segment on Fox News 464 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: where I think something very interesting was said by the 465 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: Democrat here. In this case, Simon Rosenberg is a former 466 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: Clinton advisor and founder of the New Democrat Network. He 467 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: is on Fox and this is how that exchange went. 468 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: Listen with me until the end. Play it clip twenty simon, 469 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: do you want to take one more crack and the 470 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: number one thing you would do? Yeah? No, I just 471 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: reject this entire framing of this conversation. Can you pause 472 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: for just for what's just pauses? I love anytime something. 473 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: I just reject entire framing of the discussion. You gotta 474 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: love that, right, That's that's always It reminds me of 475 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: I had a professor of political science at Amer's College. 476 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: The one conservative that was in the political science department 477 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: was my thesis advisor, the the the wonderful and exceptional 478 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: professor Hadley Arkey's. And he told us a story in 479 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: one of what was equivalent to a one on one 480 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: class with archies, about how that progressives, because obviously they 481 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: were everywhere, were so terrified of the logic and reasoning 482 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: apply during his course that he would start in the 483 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: first day when he would try to get into a 484 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: discussion of natural law and absolute truth, he would start 485 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: on the first day say can we all you know? 486 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: And he had this very instrument. He was saying, what 487 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: can we all agree that a chair is a chair? 488 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: And of course, and he would say that to us too, 489 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: and he told us later about this, and we'd all say, yeah, sure, okay, 490 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: professor that the chair is the Charines is wow, if 491 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: we can so, no one else can say it's not 492 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: a chair. A chair is in fact a chair. And 493 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: we went through this, Yes, sir, it's a chair, because well, 494 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: later on he told us that there's somebody who says, 495 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: I reject the entire premise of this document. When he said, 496 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: is can we all agree at chair is a chair? 497 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: So that I think is a pretty good summary of 498 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: the progressive mindset. Side note, Um, but wow, was I 499 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: telling you about that? Oh? Yes, that rejecting the I 500 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: reject the premise of your argument. That's always a fun one. 501 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: But let's get back into Democrats and healthcare. This is 502 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: Simon Rosenberg on Fox News. Continue, please, Mama came to 503 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: the White House. People were not able to get insurance, 504 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: health care, inflation was galloping. We fixed those things, right, 505 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: tens of millions of where there's only you've been interrupting 506 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: me a lot today, let me finish, right, is that 507 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my point. I'm answering your question, right, 508 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: and so tens of millions of people have insurance who 509 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: didn't have it before, and they're happy with that insurance. 510 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: We know that from pulling. The second thing is that 511 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: health care inflation. It is true. Health care inflation is 512 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: actually slowed down, and so we made significant changes that 513 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: improved the American health care system. If we polished once 514 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: that it's in comp What he's really talking about is 515 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: people that have there. There are two, generally speaking classes 516 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: of individuals, or to two different groups of people that 517 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: like what they've gotten from Obamacare, those who are included 518 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: in the Medicaid expansion, which is a welfare program, and 519 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: those who are able to get insurance with the subsidies 520 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: on the individual market, particularly those who because of pre 521 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: exist pre existing conditions were priced out before a lot 522 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: of other people that are now forced to get Obamacare 523 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: plans do in fact hate them. And I know because 524 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: I've spoken to lots of them, and I've looked at 525 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: the plans, and I've seen the polling data, and people 526 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: that are forced to get a lot of people the 527 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: real question asked, by the way is not even how 528 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: do you feel about this plan you have now? For 529 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people, it's how do you feel about 530 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: this plan? They should ask the people that lost plans 531 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: whether they like their Obamacare plan more. That would really 532 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: be instructive as to how much people like this or not. 533 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's so just so we and he says, 534 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: oh people like it. Well, yeah, people like free stuff, 535 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: that is true, people like the taxpayer to pick up 536 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: the tab and the ten million plus who have medicaid 537 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: now that didn't have it before. Even though, as I said, 538 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: do you, medicaid doesn't improve health outcomes, meaning you're no 539 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: more likely to live longer or have a better health 540 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: outcome with medicaid than without it. People still psychologically prefer 541 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: to have some form of coverage, even if it doesn't 542 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: work out as coverage. But then we'll get to a 543 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: critical point. You play the rest, you are repeating yourself, 544 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: and now you need to answer my question, which is, 545 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: what about all the mars on the table and we've 546 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: made the system better the Republicans don't like. What about 547 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: all the markets where there's only one insurance company and 548 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: those carriers have said they are leaving. What is the 549 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: answer to that question, Higher subsidies, the answers, higher substances, 550 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: more tax dollars from our audience. That's the answer. Yeah, 551 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: that's the answer. That that is by That is the 552 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: answer from the Democrats. They want to keep this bill 553 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: in place, but they just want more and more tax 554 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: dollars rolling into it. And then when they realize that 555 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: this becomes a black hole and that there's never enough money, 556 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: you will shovel in two Obamacare exchanges to keep them solves. 557 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: It's just never gonna it's gonna be more and more 558 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: and more people getting on the exchange and more. And 559 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: then eventually, when things get really out of control, what 560 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: becomes the offer, Let's just cut out the middleman, the 561 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: insurance company's single pair and whether that's realistic or not, 562 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: whether we could bring on a healthcare expert who would 563 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: say that could happen or not, That's what a lot 564 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: of Democrats want. That's what they believe is at the 565 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: end of all of this, just keep more and more 566 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: cash flowing into it. Eventually people will realize that this 567 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: is a tremendous outlay of spending forced on people by 568 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: the federal government, and they're gonna say, you know what, 569 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: let's just go to single pair. But it'll be easier. 570 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: It'll be easier, and then you know, when you have 571 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: when you need a shoulder operation or hip operation or 572 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Yeah, sure, government's gonna come through 573 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: for you. You know about eighteen months with whatever doctor 574 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: they on to you. That doesn't sound like what I want. 575 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's what you want either. Eight four 576 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: eight to five. What do you think about where the 577 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: GOP is right now with healthcare? Is this going to 578 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: get better? Or is this just gonna be slightly better 579 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: tasting sausage. I'm gett into that more coming up. Stay 580 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: with me, Team Buck, Welcome back to the Freedom Hunt. 581 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: Phone lines are open eight four to eight to five, 582 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: eight four hundred buck b U c K. We've got 583 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: Bill in North Carolina on w p T I. What's 584 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: up Bill, Good evening. Nice to talk to you again. 585 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: I called one during one of your earlier shows. UM, 586 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: could to have you back? I like, I like repeat business. Okay, 587 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: you're as good as a good garage mechanics, then, right, 588 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: I guess so, although I'm bad with cars. Well, what's 589 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: your question, bro? It's a recommendation that since Bernie Sanders 590 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: and the Democrats feel that we need to be sure 591 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: that the poor and so forth don't get cut off 592 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: from their health care and health insurance, what we perhaps 593 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: might do is, since the government has done such a 594 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: masterful job in providing healthcare to veterans, why don't we 595 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: fold those people into the Veterans Administration system and perhaps 596 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: double its budget and and then everything will be taken 597 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: care of, and they will have single payer for the 598 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: for the poor and and so forth, and it'll just 599 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: all be resolved and those who don't want any part 600 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: of it can go to private insurance. Are you Are 601 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: you being facetious? There's this a serious proposal? You're being serious? Well, 602 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean, for one, right, the the the obligation that 603 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: the that the US taxpayer and U. S citizens have 604 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: to those who have served in the armed forces is different, 605 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: distinct and special from the obligation that the U S 606 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: to xpayers have to just help poor people that can't 607 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: buy insurance. Where we we understand that, so so you 608 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: have to automatically get rid of that distinction. One is 609 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: what is owed for service, the other is and and 610 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: is a sacred obligation. The other is just we are 611 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: trying to be a just and kind hearted people. Right, 612 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: we get that, you understand that Before we can even 613 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: go further on this, which is the the v A 614 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: actually has plenty of problems, and I've I've done entire 615 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: shows where we talked about all the different issues that 616 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: the v A and the lack of timely care that 617 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: it depends. Some VA facilities are much better than other 618 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: VA facilities, but there are problems in the VA. And 619 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: keep in mind that's also a small subset of the 620 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: overall US population. I mean, you're talking about, uh, those 621 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: who have served in the Vetter's administration is dealing with 622 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: a number that's going to remain relatively uh constant and 623 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: foreseeable based upon who has served the military. Whereas you 624 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: know Medicaid expansion or those who could be on a 625 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: essentially wet welfare healthcare. Uh, that's a number that's constantly 626 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: changing and could actually be quite large. The Democrats have 627 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: their way, so providing providing healthcare to tens of millions 628 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: of people through the v A system would be very 629 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: different than what it is right now. We get that too, right, Yes, yes, 630 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: of course I didn't mean the insult to veterans. But no, 631 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't say but I didn't mean that 632 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: you were insulting veterans either. I just wanted to establish 633 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: that there is a difference between what is owed veterans 634 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: versus what we give in welfare, because the American people 635 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: are kind, right, there's a big difference there, that's all. 636 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: Uh indeed indeed, But my of course, my satirical point 637 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: was that since the government has done such a great oh, 638 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: I asked if you're being facetious or not, and you 639 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: should have just said yes. Okay. So you're saying the 640 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: v A has got huge problems, the v A single 641 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: pay or at work, and that's a special subset of 642 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: the population that we owe something too. They can't even 643 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: do that. Well, so sing, yeah, okay, I agree with 644 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,479 Speaker 1: that argument. I thought you're saying, literally we should fold 645 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: everybody and Medicaid into the v A. I'm like, well, 646 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea. Okay, now we're laughing. We're on 647 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: the same page, all right. I understand, Billy. You had 648 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: me confused there. You're you're taking me in some some 649 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: twist and turns. But thanks for calling in from North Carolina. 650 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Um, Okay, what else did I have 651 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: for you on this healthcare issue? You? Um, we'll have 652 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: to get into the Ryan. We have to get to 653 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: the Ryan leaked audio here in the next hour. I 654 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 1: guess I want to talk to you about that now. 655 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: And I also got some discussion a follow up on 656 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: our talk about Middlebury where that where an angry mob 657 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: not only prevented a speech from happening by author Charles Murray, 658 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: but injured a professor who's purpose there was to be 659 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: the counterpoint to this guy. She's written in The New 660 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: York Times. I want to address that. There are some other, 661 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: um other things that I wanted to touch on here 662 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: as well on healthcare. Oh yeah, Mo Brooks, I gotta 663 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: get to this Mo Brooks exchange. I'm gonna have to 664 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: sell this one to you a little bit before we 665 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: can get into it because I'm gonna run out of 666 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: time here at the top of the hour. But here 667 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: here's what ends up happening. Brooks is one of the 668 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: few people I'm hearing out there who is willing to 669 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: come out and say that the American people need to 670 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: that that a a more robust economy with faster rising 671 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: wages and more choice in the health care system so 672 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: that people are in charge of their dollars and where 673 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: this all goes, and they're not mandated to support other 674 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: people's healthcare needs. Excessively that that's really the answer, and 675 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: then everything that comes short of that is going to 676 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: be just just tinkering with what's already in place here, 677 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: which is the government deciding. Remember that the objections that 678 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: conservatives have to the repeal and replacement as it stands 679 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: right now, the objections are that they don't it doesn't 680 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: take away the regulations that that allow the state. This 681 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: gives the federal government to dictate what is necessary care. 682 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: So it does perpetuate this idea that there are such 683 00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: thing as a free launch when we know there's really 684 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: not um and it also doesn't allow now they're saying 685 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: in phase two and phase three at will. But okay, 686 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: and maybe Paul Ryan is crazy like a fox. Maybe 687 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: Paul Ryan sees this all as we just need to 688 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: get through this budgetary part of this, and then once 689 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: that's past, we can push harder for a more free 690 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: market based system. But I doubt it. I think that 691 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: might be giving the establishment winning of the GOP on 692 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: this stuff a little too much credit. But Brooks also 693 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: says that there's a he makes a connection between healthcare 694 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: and illegal aliens that it's interesting and certainly gets the 695 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: ears of many in the journalist establishment listening. So we'll 696 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: hit that and much more coming up in the next hour. 697 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now where there is always something 698 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: to talk about where you can trade opinions with Buck. 699 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'll win, though, Just call eight four 700 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine hundred 701 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: two eight to five. All right, Buck, you're on. Welcome 702 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: back team. Buck. To finish up our discussion today about healthcare, 703 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to tie it to and then transition to 704 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: a discussion of immigration and immigration enforcement as well. Um, 705 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: And while I'm doing that, also keep in mind the 706 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: phone lines are open eight four four to eight to five, 707 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: eight four hundred, Buck, I'd be great to hear from you. 708 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: Uh call a GOP Congressman Moe Brooks. I like this guy. 709 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: The first time he ever came on the radar for 710 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: me was when he was talking about I forget what 711 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: exactly the Obama during the abdministration and something about the 712 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: budget or maybe it was tarp I can't remember now, 713 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: but he had this very memorable exchange with an MSNBC 714 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: anchor who made who made the mistake of the on 715 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: air assumption about a guest which is never never a 716 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: good move. And we'll let me just just to remind you, 717 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into mo and and his discussion today 718 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: on healthcare and illegal aliens, which I thought was very interesting, 719 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: and we'll transition us into a discussion about immigration, and 720 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: then we've got to talk about this the middle Bear, 721 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the violence at Middlebury College. It was violence. 722 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't just a bunch of progressive loons, you know, 723 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the the the general inmates running the 724 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: asylum at Middlebury was also the inmates turned violent at 725 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Middlebury Um. But first Mobrooks. He had this exchange on MSNBC. 726 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 1: I just this is just a trip down memory lane. 727 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: For those of you who haven't heard it. Classic play it. 728 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: He's in the majority of the United States Senate. It 729 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: goes up one point eight trillion dollars, and now it's 730 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: up too point eight trillion. While he's president. You're you're 731 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: simplifying the issues that were on the plate of the 732 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: nation at that point. I mean, we were looking at 733 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: going reverting into a depression at that point, everyone the 734 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: faces were going into a depression. Will go ahead. Do 735 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: you have a degree in economics? Yes, ma'am, I do 736 00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: highest honors. Okay, so old snap, oh there it is there. 737 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: It is, uh, the the anchor, the opinionated anchor. I 738 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: thought anchors were supposed to just read the news and 739 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: ask straightforward journalist questions, what's this? You know what? What 740 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: was this? Undermining the guest as though he doesn't know anything. 741 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: And for those of you who are curious, by the way, 742 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: mo Brooks finished Duke University in three not four years 743 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: with a double major highest honor Summa cump cloudy in 744 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: political science and yes, economics. So so there is that. 745 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: Do you have a degree in economics? And that She 746 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: was roundly mocked for that one. But that's how I knew, Yeah, 747 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: I do. Actually, it's great. Oh man, it was good. 748 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: That was good times. Uh that was years ago. I 749 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: just wanted to just do a little trip down memory 750 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: lane with you all there, because that's always so fun. 751 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: Oh MSNBC, you're so you're so silly, MSNBC. Um. But 752 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: then today Brooks was talking about health care and speaking 753 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: a little bit of reality here that I think we 754 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: need more of these injections into the g O P. 755 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: Free market means you make choices and live with those choices, 756 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: and there aren't all these intrusions and their own, all 757 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: these government mandates, and there aren't all these safety nets 758 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: that are just put in there for everybody all the time. Uh. 759 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: Here is Brooks though, talking about how you know, you 760 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: could we could just try to make the economy more 761 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: robust for those who are working and those who are 762 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: trying to be able to purchase their own healthcare. And 763 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: part of that, by the way, would be dealing with 764 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,439 Speaker 1: the downward pressure on wages that come from yes, illegal aliens. Oh, 765 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: we're bringing a couple of issues together. Play clip seventeen. Please. Well, sure, 766 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: I would like to see people voluntarily purchase health insurance 767 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: in order to minimize their risk of a significant loss 768 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: because of illness. But this is America. We believe in 769 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: liberty and we believe in freedom. And if you're gonna 770 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: believe in liberty and freedom, then you cannot, with a 771 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: heavy boot of the federal government, force people to purchase insurance. 772 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: Sorry one, so he's saying with no he seems to 773 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: want to say, which is that, Okay, if we make 774 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: insurance possible for all to purchase, but don't mandate that 775 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: everyone purchases it, because remember, we were told all Republicans, 776 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: all conservatives are saying, hey, the mandate is unconc ment, 777 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: it's unconstitutional. Have we decided that five four Supreme Court 778 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: decision no longer stands. The mandate is unconstitutional if you're 779 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: a conservative. It regulates in activity. It says you must 780 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: buy a product. What happened to all that? Okay, but 781 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna get rid of the mandate, they say, fine, 782 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: But if you get rid of the mandate, then you 783 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: also have to understand it. If people choose not to 784 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: buy insurance, and they should make it easier for everybody 785 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: buy insurance. Sure, but if people choose not to buy 786 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: insurance and they are not covered under a government healthcare 787 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: welfare program Medicaid, then they are going to have to 788 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: deal with the economic repercussions of not having insurance coverage. 789 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's not insurance. We will continue Mobrooks laying it 790 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: down more. You have to be able to afford it. 791 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: You do have to be able to afford assurance. And 792 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: that all the people who have been added to the 793 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: roles of Obamacare, they certainly some of them couldn't afford 794 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: it before and now they can't. Do you agree with 795 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: that if you want to get into the affording aspect 796 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: of it, the best thing that we can do in 797 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: the federal government to ensure that people can't afford healthcare 798 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: is to do things that will help increase wages. And 799 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: one of the best things we can do to help 800 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: increase wages for working Americans is to deport the illegal 801 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: aliens that have flooded the marketplace, suppressing wages for all Americans. 802 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: And in addition to that, those illegal aliens have taken 803 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: job opportunities from American citizens, roughly ten million to fifteen 804 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: million job opportunities that have been very important. He's saying 805 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: that because, as we know, the structure of Obamacare is 806 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: there are those who are covered by Medicaid, health care welfare. 807 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: And I, by the way, I don't say that disparaging. 808 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: I just said that to be honest. I mean people 809 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: need help, and we're going to help people out. And 810 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: you've got this government program that's there to give people 811 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 1: health insurance who can't who just straight up can't afford it. Okay, 812 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: But Obamacare deals then with those as well who want 813 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: to buy insurance but need some taxpayer assistance, not entirely 814 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: taxpayer funded, which what medicate is but needs some taxpayer assistance, 815 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: and so they are able to buy a plan here. 816 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: But what MO, if I if I may call them MO. 817 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: What Congressman Brooks is saying is that those who are 818 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: in that UH tranche of the economy, those who are working, 819 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: they're earning a living, they have money to spend on things, 820 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: but they need help to afford the premiums of this 821 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: Obama mandated health insurance. Instead of focusing on maybe we 822 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: just give them more taxpayer dollars for their health insurance, 823 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: why don't we enact policies at the federal government level 824 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: that don't force them to compete for lower wages with 825 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: the legal aliens, Because, as I've said to you before, 826 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: especially when you start to localize your analysis, illegal aliens 827 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: do do put um pressure on wages in UH particularly 828 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: unskilled professions and in certain areas when there's a surge 829 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: of illegalmigration there. So this is just that's just a 830 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: recognition of reality here. Well, I'll let Brooks finish up 831 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: be saying fourteen million jobs go. Well, so you've got 832 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 1: our border security go ahead. If you enforce our border security, 833 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: deport the illegal aliens, you create job opportunities for Americans. 834 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: You also decrease the labor supply, which means that employers 835 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: have to pay more to Americans to do the work 836 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: that needs doing. With that additional income, they can better 837 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: afford healthcare or perhaps if they want to put it 838 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: into a house, or they want to put it into 839 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: clothing for their kids or college educations. They can do 840 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: a lot of things with the additional money. So there 841 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: things we can do to increase income or American citizens. 842 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: We just have to get the ability to push those 843 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: people out of the way that insist that illegal aliens 844 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: are good for America, no matter how much damage they 845 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: do to struggling American families. Oh Brooks, that's uh. Some 846 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: Democrats are gonna pay attention to that one. I can 847 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: promise you that this is not something you'll hear often, 848 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: but downward pressure on wages even has effect on whether 849 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: people can afford the very health insurance premiums that they 850 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 1: need to pay in order to deal with catastrophic illness. 851 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: So this is another way to look at it. You 852 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: have to hold people accountable for their decisions, and you 853 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: should also the government should stop encouraging situations where those 854 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: who are working and do want to buy insurance, are 855 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: unable to do so because of the downward pressure on wages. 856 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: Just another thing to add into our very broad discussion 857 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,399 Speaker 1: of all of this. Um So, we've got more coming 858 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: up here. I want to talk to you about what 859 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: happened Middlebury if you have a healthcare question or comment 860 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: or anything you want to add into this this stew 861 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: of analysis we are doing in the Freedom Hunt eight 862 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: four four nine two eight to five. Also Facebook dot 863 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: com slash buck Sexton for those of you listening, great 864 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: place to follow along during the show. We post there, 865 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: we comment, We talked back and forth and at buck 866 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: Sexton on Twitter. We'll be right back. We've got Greg 867 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City online. What's up, Greg? Hey, Buck Shields Shields. 868 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: We wanted to reach out to you, Buck. Um. I 869 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: don't know if you've read the Kevin Williamson Peace and 870 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: that's a review about the deep state, UM and kind 871 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: of this this whole idea that the deep state is 872 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: trying to bring down the Trump administration. While I believe 873 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: that there are some people within the quote unquote deep state, uh, 874 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, trying to leak as much as possible, uh, 875 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: to discredit the Trump administration. I think there's a bit 876 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: of a riff within conservative conservatism quote unquote between people 877 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: that believe that there's complete deep state UM trying to 878 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: bring it down in people to say, hey, there's individuals 879 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: within the Intelligence Committee, within different departments that are trying 880 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 1: to infiltrate and leak stuff out to the media, uh 881 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: into discredit the Trump administration. Have you read the piece 882 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,879 Speaker 1: or not? No, I haven't read that that Kevin Williamson piece. 883 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: I try to read Kevin stuff whenever I see it, 884 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,399 Speaker 1: but I did not see that one. So what what 885 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: what part of what thesis or what part of it 886 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: do you want me to respond to? Well, just the 887 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: fact that how much of the deep state is actually 888 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: playing an effect in the political realm. I know Hannity 889 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: went off the other day about how it's the end 890 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: all be all, and I find that people are using 891 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: that term now in in a way to malk make 892 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: themselves sound smarter. Um. I think that within the context 893 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: of what the deep state actually is, UM, there is 894 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: there can be an effect obviously politically UM, and sometimes 895 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: it's not as big as people wanted to to make 896 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: it out to be. So you're asking how big of 897 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: a deal is the deep state? Is that what? That's 898 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: essentially what I'm asking about. Yeah, okay, just to cut 899 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: cut it down the center here, okay. Um, Well, as 900 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: you if you listen to the show, you'll know from 901 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: what I've said recently and also from shows I've done 902 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: on radio in the past, the deep state comes from 903 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: the idea of a deep state comes from Turkey, where 904 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: it's very real, where the Turkish military which is what 905 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 1: the in Turkish military intelligence, will swoop in and override 906 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: some of the democratically elected initiatives or the government itself. 907 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 1: There have been coups in Turkey. Uh, and there was 908 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,879 Speaker 1: even that recent that recent coup attempt that didn't last 909 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 1: very long. That's a whole other discussion that I would 910 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: like to get into. Um, but uh, not again into 911 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 1: another time. But so that's where the idea that or 912 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: the term deep state comes from Turkey, and we use 913 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,839 Speaker 1: it in this context in a couple of different ways. 914 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 1: You're asking me, how profound is the deep state in 915 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: its anti Trump efforts or how widespread is it? May 916 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: be a better way to put it, I'd say this, 917 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: there are probably very few people because one thing I 918 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,400 Speaker 1: know about federal bureaucrats. And I say this with all 919 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: due respect, and I used to be one, right, so 920 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a formerly formally a part of that family. 921 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: Is that they are very slow to do anything that 922 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:11,720 Speaker 1: would jeopardize their their job. I've met very few that would, 923 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, actively and willingly go to the point for 924 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: political reasons where they would do something that might get 925 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: them fired. Because you tend to get a lot of 926 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: people in government who yes, and on the federal bureaucracy side, 927 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: they want to serve, but they also they like the 928 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: steady paycheck, they like the benefits and the like that 929 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: they know they're going to have a job in perpetuity 930 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: for the most part. So a vast just based on 931 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,479 Speaker 1: that alone, a vast majority of federal employees, I would think, 932 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: aren't willing to do the kinds of things that have 933 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: been done so far to try and undermine Donald Trump, right. 934 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: The leak of the of the phone conversations, which is 935 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: almost certainly classified information that's gotten out there, All of 936 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: that would come from I think a very small subset 937 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: probably of senior appointees from the former administration who had 938 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: access to that information. And then there may be some 939 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: stay behind in various places with the bureaucracy. But I 940 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: think it's a small percentage of a very small percentage overall. 941 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,959 Speaker 1: I think it's probably a handful of people too, maybe 942 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,399 Speaker 1: a dozen or two people something along those lines that 943 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: would engage in that kind of behavior, you know, I 944 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: mean at the at the law at the top end, 945 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 1: maybe it's a dozen, maybe two dozen, But at the 946 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,280 Speaker 1: smaller end, I could see it being just a handful 947 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,400 Speaker 1: of people that have given this information. Okay, But then 948 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,760 Speaker 1: there's a bigger point here about the deep state more broadly, 949 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: in the bureaucracy, and this we're going to talk about 950 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: this later on in the show, specifically at least some 951 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 1: planning to today, if not today then tomorrow. And that 952 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: is that Democrats own the bureaucracy because the bureaucracy is 953 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 1: the state. And if your ideology is at the state 954 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,760 Speaker 1: should be in charge of the maximum number of issues 955 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 1: and concerns because the state is smarter than the individual. 956 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: The state has an obligation to make decisions for or 957 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: the individual because the state is in a better position 958 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: to do so. And uh, the people that are going 959 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: to want to be a part of that tend to 960 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,799 Speaker 1: be Democrats, and so statism of the Democratic Party have 961 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: a symbiotic relationship. They work together. Uh, And so that's 962 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: why the bureaucracy is I think ideologically very Democrats. So 963 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: that's so you have a very Democrat federal bureaucracy, not entirely, 964 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,840 Speaker 1: but it's certainly skews that way. And when you go 965 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: to places like E. P A and State Department and 966 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: State Department is you know, it's state. State Department is 967 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,439 Speaker 1: full of people that probably think that code Pink has 968 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: just bad messaging, but overall has some good ideas. I mean, 969 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of those in State. Um. But you 970 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: go to the issue of Trump and undermining Trump, I 971 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: think that's very small, So is that fair? So there's 972 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: the ideological deep state issue. And then there's the bad 973 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: actors within the deep state that are taking it upon 974 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 1: themselves to try and sink the administration. I think that's 975 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 1: very small, but but very relevant and and and can 976 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: be very powerful. And then I think there's the deep 977 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 1: state that is much broader, which is that you've got 978 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: probably I mean, if I were to guess federal bureaucracies 979 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: you're looking at, I don't I don't I don't know. 980 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if this data has been published anywhere, 981 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 1: which actually makes me think I want to try to 982 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: track this down. I guess it's seventy thirty maybe even 983 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: Democrats to Republicans in a lot of these federal agencies, 984 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: not including FB and not including law enforcement. You gotta 985 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: law enforce, you gotta take out of because a lot 986 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,759 Speaker 1: of Republicans and law enforcement. But when you look at 987 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: the regulatory agencies, a lot of Democrats in there, you 988 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So does that make sense? Greg? 989 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: Is that an answer? That's that's that's absolutely answer. Buck Now, 990 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: I would tend to agree with you on that point, 991 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 1: and that there's not a lot of people that want 992 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: to give up their job where it's a guaranteed paycheck 993 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: every day they know they're gonna be Yeah, and the 994 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: case of leaking classified very if you want to maybe 995 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,239 Speaker 1: give up their freedom, And that's what makes me think 996 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: that it might be former a former Obama administration official 997 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: who had access to it, who figures, you know, I'll 998 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: no one's gonna no one's gonna leave me high and 999 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: dry on this. But Greg and home a city great 1000 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 1: to have you, Brian in Chicago. Welcome to Freedom. What 1001 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: what's up, Brian, Hey, congrats on a new show. Thank you, 1002 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 1: thank you. Uh. I want to comment on the illegal 1003 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,359 Speaker 1: immigration issue. And I'm electrician by trade, and I see 1004 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: this thing firsthand all over the place. And the point 1005 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to emphasize is if not you know, the 1006 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,839 Speaker 1: myth is illegal immigrants are out in the fields picking 1007 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,240 Speaker 1: our produce and doing the worst of the worst jobs. 1008 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: Well they are, but they are working everywhere. In my 1009 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: line of work, I've worked on a service truck. I 1010 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: see a lot of businesses, top to bottom, front the back, 1011 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: I see everything in these buildings, and they are working everywhere. 1012 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 1: Anywhere a business can plug, you eagle, excuse me, illegal 1013 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,720 Speaker 1: immigrant into their business. They are warehouses, kitchens, hospitals, anything 1014 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: that they can get them to do. That's where they're working. 1015 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: And just an observation you, illegal immigration is an entitlement 1016 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,880 Speaker 1: program for corporate America. They're entitled to these low wage 1017 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: workers and then they get the dump all the social 1018 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: costs on the taxpayer. That is absolutely true. That's that's 1019 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 1: why they're the Republican Party. The the Republican Party, and 1020 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: leadership in the Republican Party for a long time have 1021 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: been absolutely complicit in the illegal alien problem in this country. 1022 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,760 Speaker 1: They have been complicit. You've got the Chamber of Commerce 1023 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 1: and all these other interest groups. They like the illegal 1024 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: immigrant labor they have access to because, as you say, 1025 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: they can pay them these depressed wages. They can even 1026 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,799 Speaker 1: now claim to be doing some sort of humanitarian act 1027 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: by paying them wages in the first place. And then 1028 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 1: the social cost schooling hospital at the moment they that 1029 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 1: an illegal alien has a as a child here, by 1030 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: the way, anchor baby. There's a reason that's why they 1031 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 1: refer to is that because there is a tether, there 1032 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 1: was an anchor out into this country, and the child 1033 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: will get federal benefits of all kinds of So absolutely corporate, 1034 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: the corporate, the corporate paymasters of the Republican Party have 1035 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,959 Speaker 1: been very bad on this issue for a long time. 1036 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: And I think there are a lot of Republicans who 1037 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 1: even the ones who won't come out and say, and 1038 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: by the way, Paul Ryan's terrible in immigration. If we 1039 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: want to get mad at Paul Ryan for something, it 1040 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't be his stance on Obamacare so much as what 1041 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: he said in the past about immigration. But that'll have 1042 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: to wait for another day. Um. But this is this 1043 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: is what Trump came into office. This is the primary 1044 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,360 Speaker 1: issue I think that propelled Trump to the front of 1045 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 1: the Republican pack and it's why he is now president 1046 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,319 Speaker 1: United States in large party. I mean, yeah, there's other 1047 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: stuff too, and the and his message and America great 1048 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,720 Speaker 1: and all that, but the issue of immigration, because people 1049 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: don't like being lied to, and they especially don't like 1050 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,200 Speaker 1: being lied to and then being told that if they 1051 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,320 Speaker 1: question the lies, they're big. It's their jerks, their unfeeling, 1052 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: uncaring people. Um. And that's been the way the immigration 1053 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: discussions are. The illegal immigration discussion has gone for a 1054 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: long time. Brian in Chicago, Man Shieldside, thank you for 1055 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 1: calling and great to have you. If you're listening, by 1056 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 1: the way, and you have not already, please subscribe on 1057 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,280 Speaker 1: iTunes to the Buck Sexton with American podcast. Just type 1058 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,280 Speaker 1: in Buck Sex Them with American Now on iTunes, click subscribe, 1059 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,799 Speaker 1: and then maybe tell a friend. We'll make team Buck huge. 1060 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,760 Speaker 1: It will be huge. That's the plan. Let's talk about 1061 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: crazy progressives losing their minds in such in just a minute, 1062 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: buck Sexton with America Now, where there is always something 1063 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: to talk about where you can trade opinions with Buck. 1064 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'll win, though. Just call eight four 1065 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four d two 1066 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: eight to five. All right, Buck, you're on. So there 1067 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: was this craziness at Middlebury recently. Middlebury is a small 1068 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,480 Speaker 1: liberal arts college very similar to the college that I 1069 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: attended what feels like eons ago um in Amherst, Massachusetts. 1070 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: And I will have some fun stories for you about 1071 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 1: Amherst and yes, the all women's colleges in the area 1072 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,760 Speaker 1: as well, for you in the weeks and months ahead. 1073 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: I promised team that will be uh, that will be 1074 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: something that we find ways to talk about, because man, 1075 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: those are some good stories. But let's just focus on 1076 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: Middlebury for a moment here, just by way of review, 1077 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: and actually pause on the review for a second. Some 1078 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: of you, I'm sure, especially those of you, who live 1079 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: in areas where conservatism is not considered a disease of 1080 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: the brain, where there are others around you who agree 1081 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: with you. You may live in an area where, in fact, 1082 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,440 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is well regarded and conservatism and constitutionalism 1083 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,440 Speaker 1: are culturally acceptable. Some of you, I don't live in 1084 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 1: such an area. But some of you may wherever you 1085 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: are listening to this, and based on where I see 1086 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 1: some of our phone calls, for example, today coming from, 1087 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: it's quite possible that you live in an area where 1088 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: you're not surrounded by the most left wing, the most progressive, 1089 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,760 Speaker 1: rabid progressives that one could ever imagine. And for those 1090 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: of you in those areas, let me say that whenever 1091 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: you have a moment where you think to yourself, what 1092 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: if you see on TV? Or maybe you come across 1093 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: someone who does think that it's their role, that it's 1094 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,760 Speaker 1: their job to lecture you on how Trump is evil 1095 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 1: while you're trying to, you know, check out at the 1096 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: grocery store something, or lecture you on why Trump is 1097 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 1: a fascist while you're trying to pump gas and they 1098 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: see a Trump bumper sticker on your car, whatever you 1099 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 1: may think. Or you see what goes on on TV, 1100 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,439 Speaker 1: and these these these crazies will go on and and 1101 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,440 Speaker 1: make their points, whether it's to opposition on Fox News 1102 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 1: or to a chorus of amends, and that's brilliant at 1103 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: CNN and MSNBC. You might say to yourself, where do 1104 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 1: these people come from? And I tell you all you 1105 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 1: have to do is look at the modern college campus, 1106 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: and you have your answer to that question. They are 1107 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 1: being trained, they're being in doctrine, they are culturally and 1108 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: this is even more potent. Yes, the the teachers and 1109 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: the faculty are to the left of Carl Marks in 1110 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: a lot of these places. Yes, they have a hostility 1111 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: and open hostility in the courses they teach outside of 1112 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 1: the sciences and math and such. Uh. There there's an 1113 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: open hostility towards uh, the American founding to Christianity too. 1114 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: We can go down the line and there's open hostility 1115 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: towards white males and the patriarchy. And you're you're aware 1116 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 1: of that. But the social pressure that these students feel 1117 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,640 Speaker 1: from each other is perhaps the most profound that may 1118 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: have more long lasting implications for their ideas and their 1119 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: behavior than anything else that happens to them in college. 1120 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: I think of, even in my own experience, how the 1121 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,240 Speaker 1: moment that you were you were tagged as a Republican, 1122 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: your other b They would look for reasons in classrooms, 1123 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: people that knew you, fellow students, to attack you, to 1124 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 1: say you don't understand, to say that you're being cruel 1125 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 1: or unfeeling, or your you know, whatever the Republican stereotype 1126 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 1: is that they could then and then when you're socializing, 1127 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,520 Speaker 1: you're out at night, you have the same problem. You'll 1128 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 1: have some that will come up to you, maybe after 1129 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of liquid courage, and say, you know, 1130 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 1: how could you be a how could you be a 1131 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,600 Speaker 1: misogynist and a fascist by by voting Republican? And when 1132 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,120 Speaker 1: you're a college kid, you don't want to deal with this, 1133 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,920 Speaker 1: So that is very And then, of course, on the 1134 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,240 Speaker 1: other side of this, you have people who just love 1135 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 1: the echo chamber and the virtue signaling, or that the 1136 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: show without any risk, without any difficulties that one encounters, 1137 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,000 Speaker 1: the show of what a great person you are just 1138 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: by supporting vocalizing certain beliefs. It's a very cheap, it's 1139 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 1: a very meretricious posture to take, but that's what they do. 1140 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Um and so this is how you get progressives. Just 1141 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 1: look at what happens on campuses and the as I said, 1142 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 1: the administration and professorial pressures, but also the social pressures 1143 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,800 Speaker 1: from fellow students. You know, look, I deal with this sometimes. 1144 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,320 Speaker 1: What do you think I say when I would you know, 1145 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 1: ask a girl out in college or and afterwards for 1146 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 1: many years and she's like, all right, you know, are 1147 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 1: you a Republican? I don't know, babe, it's cool. I'm 1148 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 1: a libertarian. That's libertary. You know what a libertarian is 1149 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,200 Speaker 1: in college, it's a conservative who wants people to think 1150 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 1: that he's cool and they'll still hang out with him. Um. 1151 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: But anyway, at least that was my experience, like smoke, 1152 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 1: you know whatever, the legal legalized the weed. Legalized the weed. 1153 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: What do you think about the social issues? I already 1154 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,880 Speaker 1: told you legalized the weed. It's fine, don't worry about it. 1155 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 1: So that that got me out of many a tight 1156 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,160 Speaker 1: situation at all, are you Now? I wouldn't do that 1157 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 1: now obviously, But for for years I'm like gonna, well, 1158 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I have some libertarian tendencies, you know, and if I 1159 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: really want to confuse them, I was like, oh, I'm 1160 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,920 Speaker 1: a conservatorian. What's that? What's the conservatarian? Like? What is that? Like? 1161 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: Do you like Hillary? I'm like, oh yeah, Hillary is great, 1162 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: but I mean it's that conservative and like libertarian, Like 1163 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: why do you say that? Like can't you just like, 1164 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: for example, like Barack Obama is awesome, right, Like oh yeah, yeah, 1165 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 1: it's amazing. I mean, yeah, awesomely terrible. Um So, so 1166 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I note Middlebury and the mob here is an editor. 1167 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 1: So what happened at Middlebury? Now we've discussed campuses a 1168 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: little bit. What happened at Middlebury was that Charles Murray, 1169 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: whom I've had on radio before, who wrote a book 1170 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 1: about i Q and the impact of i Q on 1171 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:20,160 Speaker 1: one's future, the likely outcomes in one's future educational, professional, 1172 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,080 Speaker 1: and personal social The book is called The Bell Curve. 1173 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,400 Speaker 1: I've read the book in its entirety. I had professor. 1174 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've had author Charles Murray on in the past. 1175 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,800 Speaker 1: He's a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, where I 1176 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,000 Speaker 1: was an intern for a short while on loan from 1177 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,760 Speaker 1: the Washington Institute. You didn't need to know that. I 1178 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: don't know why. I just thought of AI in my 1179 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: time there. Um. And he went to give a speech 1180 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 1: at Middlebury, which is one of these small liberal arts 1181 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,640 Speaker 1: colleges that is Amherst was described as uh, I forget 1182 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: something like twelve square miles surrounded by reality that the 1183 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 1: town of Amherst, which I think is I'm almost sure 1184 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,560 Speaker 1: it's true of Middlebury, Vermont as well, and so that 1185 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,880 Speaker 1: he go is to Middlebury. It's actually amazing. I'm looking 1186 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: at them a photo of Middlebury right now. It looks 1187 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: exactly like Amris too. Uh. He goes to Middlebury to 1188 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 1: give a speech on not on the Bell Curve, which 1189 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,640 Speaker 1: is the book he wrote a long time ago, but 1190 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 1: on Coming Apart, which is I believe about class distinctions 1191 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: and the implications for America. And he goes up there 1192 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 1: and he's giving this speech and they disrupt his speech. 1193 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: I talked about this unready before, but I'm just recapping 1194 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 1: that disrupted his speech. Not only do they prevent it 1195 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 1: from giving his speech progressive students who are booing and 1196 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,720 Speaker 1: hissing and yelling, and but then when he left, they 1197 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:40,720 Speaker 1: physically attacked him. And a female professor who was part 1198 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,440 Speaker 1: of this event and was there specifically to give a counterpoint. 1199 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,160 Speaker 1: Her name is Alison Stanger. She's a professor of international 1200 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,880 Speaker 1: politics and economics at Middlebury College, and she's written this 1201 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,160 Speaker 1: New York Times editorial. Now. I think it's very interesting 1202 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: to engage with her editorial because there are three parts 1203 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 1: of this that are worth But one is she gives 1204 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: some real first person, a real first person account of 1205 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: how insane. These kids are. Two, she points out that 1206 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,200 Speaker 1: the kids that did this and some of the professors 1207 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 1: who are encouraging them are complete ignor ramises who don't 1208 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 1: care to learn anything. But I'll get there. And then three, 1209 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,360 Speaker 1: she begins to explain it away. She takes a little 1210 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 1: bit of She begins to try to show that, you know, well, 1211 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm still a good person, and you know I can 1212 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of understand, and so we'll get We'll get there. 1213 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: Let's let's start with the first point here though, because 1214 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,640 Speaker 1: this editorial in response to what happened in response to 1215 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 1: mob violence to shout down a speaker and attack him 1216 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 1: at Middlebury College. This is an idea that has taken 1217 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: over the left, and the idea is that speech you 1218 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,760 Speaker 1: don't like equals violence, and if speech you don't like 1219 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,480 Speaker 1: equals violence, then you can use violence in response to 1220 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,360 Speaker 1: speech you don't like, because it's self defense in effect. 1221 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: Although none of these kids know it self defen its 1222 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 1: doctrine is rath els, but that's that they have to 1223 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,560 Speaker 1: defend themselves. That they're safe spaces have been trampled on, 1224 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:11,400 Speaker 1: that the that the man splaining is destroying their safe spaces. 1225 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,600 Speaker 1: So what happens here at Middlebury. In the response to 1226 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 1: it has not just ramifications across the country. It's a 1227 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: window into this mindset that is now a widespread hysteria 1228 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,320 Speaker 1: that has taken over, not just on campus but in 1229 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Speech equals violence is what the new Left, 1230 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,160 Speaker 1: which is really just the contemporary left, the left today, 1231 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,720 Speaker 1: what the new left believes. They believe this. They believe 1232 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,360 Speaker 1: that speech equals speech. They don't like equals violence, and 1233 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: therefore they have a right to silence. They have fully 1234 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 1: embraced the Heckler's veto. Here's what this professor says. She 1235 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,840 Speaker 1: says that there's nothing like a little violar rights. There's 1236 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,680 Speaker 1: nothing like a little violence to focus the mind. I 1237 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: am the Middlebury College professor who ended up with whiplash 1238 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 1: and a concussion for having the audacity to engage with 1239 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,680 Speaker 1: the ideas of Charles Murray, scholar at the American Enterprise 1240 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,480 Speaker 1: Institute um uh DR. Murray was drowned out by students 1241 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: who never let him speak, and he and I were 1242 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:22,439 Speaker 1: attacked and intimidated while trying to leave campus. She says. Then, 1243 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: in the days after the violence, some have spawned this 1244 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,520 Speaker 1: story as one about what's wrong with the lead colleges 1245 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: and universities, or coddled youth, or intolerant liberalism. Those analyses 1246 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,000 Speaker 1: are incomplete. I think she is wrong. Those analysis are 1247 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,720 Speaker 1: not incomplete, or depends on which one specifically, but those 1248 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 1: are the basic ideas here. She says political life and 1249 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: discourse in the United States is at a boiling point, 1250 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: and nowhere is the reaction to that more heightened than 1251 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,080 Speaker 1: on college campuses. Throughout an ugly campaign and into his presidency, 1252 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,800 Speaker 1: President Trump has demonized Muslims as terrorists and dehumanized many 1253 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: groups of marginalized people. That this is a quote from 1254 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,080 Speaker 1: repeat that has nothing to do with what happened to her. 1255 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,000 Speaker 1: That to to create this context of well, Trump has 1256 01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,400 Speaker 1: to said bad things there, Trump has said bad things. 1257 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 1: Charles Murray is never Trump. Charles Murray will will tell 1258 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 1: Hill you can have a competition with with Charles Murray 1259 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,599 Speaker 1: about who is willing to be more critical of Trump. 1260 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,759 Speaker 1: He finds Trump vile, but so he's going to be attacked. 1261 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,479 Speaker 1: But we'll get into how that can happen a second. 1262 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,799 Speaker 1: But so her her contextualizing of this is is pretty pathetic, honestly, 1263 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,479 Speaker 1: and I know she was attacked in sermons of all. 1264 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 1: But you know, her opinion here is all that matters. No, 1265 01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: because this is reflective of a much larger intolerance with 1266 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:39,559 Speaker 1: the American left across the country. Um So then he uh, 1267 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,519 Speaker 1: then he, then he She goes into some of the details. 1268 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: Quote from the stage where I sat with Dr Murray 1269 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 1: waiting for students to take their seats, I saw sea 1270 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,160 Speaker 1: of humanity. Students were chanting who is the enemy? White 1271 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,839 Speaker 1: supremacy and racist, sexist, anti gay Charles Murray go away? 1272 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Others were yelling obscenities at Dr Murray. What alarm me most, however, 1273 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,280 Speaker 1: was what I saw the eyes of the crowd. Those 1274 01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,680 Speaker 1: who wanted the event to take place made eye contact 1275 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,720 Speaker 1: with me, those on disrupting it steadfast he refused to 1276 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:11,639 Speaker 1: do so. Um so they also turned. By the way, 1277 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: activists figured out that they could bang on windows and 1278 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,920 Speaker 1: set off fire alarms, so that also was added into 1279 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,600 Speaker 1: all of this. But then let me give you a 1280 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,040 Speaker 1: little more of the detail, and then I'll have to 1281 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: go to break and finish this on the other side. Quote, 1282 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 1: most of the hatred was focused on Dr Murray. But 1283 01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,040 Speaker 1: when I took his right arm to shield him and 1284 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,040 Speaker 1: to make sure we stayed together, the crowd turned on me. 1285 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: Someone pulled my hair while others were shoving me. I 1286 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 1: feared for my life. Once we got into the car, 1287 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,960 Speaker 1: protesters climbed on it, hitting the windows and rocking the 1288 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,880 Speaker 1: vehicle whenever we stopped to avoid harming them. I am 1289 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,600 Speaker 1: still wearing a neck brace and spend a week in 1290 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,320 Speaker 1: a dark room to recover from a concussion caused by 1291 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,920 Speaker 1: the whiplash. Let me just stop here for a second, 1292 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,120 Speaker 1: and I want to talk more about this and after 1293 01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: this break, But let me say before we go into 1294 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the break, that Middlebury, a private college, has not expelled 1295 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:11,320 Speaker 1: a single student for this is a grotesque embarrassment and 1296 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:16,920 Speaker 1: the universe of the college administration should be humiliated by this. 1297 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,360 Speaker 1: They should be under so much pressure from alumni to 1298 01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,560 Speaker 1: gain because if they will not protect a female professor 1299 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: at a speaking event from and never mind the invited 1300 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,880 Speaker 1: guests as well from physical violence, it is a joke. 1301 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,760 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to just pilom Middlebury al though 1302 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,719 Speaker 1: I want to as well, because they deserve the scolding 1303 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,120 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to give them now. But Middlebury is 1304 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,920 Speaker 1: not the only one like this. Little punks who take 1305 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,040 Speaker 1: it upon themselves to be violent towards to a speaker 1306 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,519 Speaker 1: they don't even know anything about, should have their tuitions 1307 01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,639 Speaker 1: forfeit and be expelled from any serious institution, any serious 1308 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,200 Speaker 1: institution that Middlebury has not done. That tells you all 1309 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 1: you really have to know here, and that this professor 1310 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,040 Speaker 1: then goes on to try and explain away at least 1311 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 1: some of this is some bizarre version of Professor stockholm 1312 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: syndrome at these places, like she's a hostage and she 1313 01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,519 Speaker 1: likes her captors. We're gonna hit a break, We'll finish 1314 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,040 Speaker 1: this the other side. I'll be right back. So I 1315 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to give you a little more of this professor, 1316 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,160 Speaker 1: the one who was attacked and had to spend a 1317 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,280 Speaker 1: week in a dark room, got a concussion, neck hurt 1318 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,960 Speaker 1: in a car people around. I mean, look at there 1319 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 1: are any number of things could have happened here. Somebody 1320 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,519 Speaker 1: could have panicked in the vehicle and run over a 1321 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,080 Speaker 1: few students. I mean this, this could have turned really 1322 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean it already turned really ugly. This could have 1323 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,360 Speaker 1: turned life and death. That's and that's how reckless and 1324 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,719 Speaker 1: stupid these kids, who, by the way, are attending a 1325 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:47,360 Speaker 1: private fifty thou dollar plus a year college, which is 1326 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: a selective place, not as selective as Amherst, but a 1327 01:11:51,080 --> 01:12:00,280 Speaker 1: selective place. That's just a dig at Middlebury. Unnecessary but fun. Nonetheless, Okay, 1328 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,880 Speaker 1: where was I Yes, so here's what she said. Part 1329 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,880 Speaker 1: so they attack her. They attacked Charles Murray. They act 1330 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,520 Speaker 1: like a bunch of of of hooligans, a bunch of vandals. 1331 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,920 Speaker 1: And she says quote part of the fear. Part of 1332 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,439 Speaker 1: the problem was the fear that preceded the talk. I 1333 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,880 Speaker 1: was generally genuinely surprised and troubled to learn that some 1334 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,799 Speaker 1: of my faculty colleagues had rendered judgment on Dr Murray's 1335 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 1: work and character without ever having read anything he has written. 1336 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,719 Speaker 1: It wasn't just students. Some professors protested his appearance as well. 1337 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 1: Intelligent members of that this is more from her peace. 1338 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Intelligent members of the Middlebury community, including some of my 1339 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,880 Speaker 1: own students and advisees, concluded that Charles Murray was an 1340 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,639 Speaker 1: anti gay, white nationalist. From what they were hearing from 1341 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,839 Speaker 1: one another and what they read on the Southern Southern 1342 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,759 Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center website, I mean, it's it's really Southern 1343 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center is just it's just Ridge anyway, never 1344 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,960 Speaker 1: mind that Dr Murray supports same sex marriage and is 1345 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,680 Speaker 1: a member of the courageous never Trump wing of the 1346 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,960 Speaker 1: Republican Party. So they're calling a guy anti gay who's 1347 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,479 Speaker 1: who's openly pro gay marriage and pro gay rights across 1348 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 1: the board, and they're blaming him for the rise of 1349 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: Trump when he was saying that he thinks Trump is Yeah, 1350 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,759 Speaker 1: he was, as he was as never Trump as anybody 1351 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,680 Speaker 1: on the right at least um. And there's so not 1352 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,360 Speaker 1: only do you have people think they can shut down 1353 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,320 Speaker 1: speech that don't like because now on the left, remember 1354 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,000 Speaker 1: very important speech equals violence to progressives now because they 1355 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,080 Speaker 1: can't handle they can't you know what it's really like, 1356 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Colonel Nathan are jessup in a few good men. They 1357 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 1: can't handle the truth, and they really can't. You can't 1358 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,880 Speaker 1: handle the truth. Great movie quote. But look back now 1359 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,960 Speaker 1: for a second at what she finally concludes with in 1360 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,439 Speaker 1: this piece, and this is what so trouble. So she 1361 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,919 Speaker 1: establishes that these are violent maniacs on campus. I've established 1362 01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: for you that as far as I know, not a 1363 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,040 Speaker 1: single STU has been expelled, not none of these coddled 1364 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,720 Speaker 1: brats and man I would love I would love to 1365 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,120 Speaker 1: go up to Middlebury, but I will be honest with you, 1366 01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,960 Speaker 1: it would be a very different situation. The first Middlebury 1367 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 1: student who lays his hand on Buck the speaker is 1368 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,320 Speaker 1: going to have trouble using that hand for a while, 1369 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,439 Speaker 1: because I would never allow somebody to do that, Because 1370 01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, self defense is allowed. But Dr Murray's old 1371 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,040 Speaker 1: or and this is a woman with an older man, 1372 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:33,320 Speaker 1: and they're being attacked anyway. Um So she then says, 1373 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 1: after establishing all this that I'm not saying that students 1374 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't protest white nationalism, but there was a direct line 1375 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,479 Speaker 1: between the fighting words on campus, a suppression of speech, 1376 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 1: and the angry mob that gave me a concussion. All 1377 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,559 Speaker 1: violence is a breakdown of communication, That's what she writes 1378 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,200 Speaker 1: in this piece. No, all violence is not a breakdown 1379 01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:56,000 Speaker 1: in communication. In this case, violence was an act that 1380 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of self righteous clowns took it upon themselves 1381 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,240 Speaker 1: to use against something they didn't like. Guess what you 1382 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,960 Speaker 1: could have told them the Dr Murray was pro gay marriage. 1383 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: You could have told them that Charles Murray was anti Trump. 1384 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have stopped because he's right wing and they 1385 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,080 Speaker 1: wanted to throw a fit, and they wanted to feel 1386 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,600 Speaker 1: like they were proud and part of some revolution. Not 1387 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,719 Speaker 1: only are these students in Middlebury that did this punks 1388 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,600 Speaker 1: and morons, but they're cowards too. That's what you have 1389 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 1: to remember. And so many progressives, especially when they surrounded 1390 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,800 Speaker 1: by their own kind, are coward. The things that matter 1391 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,800 Speaker 1: most in your day to day life are too important 1392 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,439 Speaker 1: to trust to just anyone. That's that's why, that's why 1393 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:45,679 Speaker 1: he's here, Bug Sexton with America Now, sharp mind, strong voice, 1394 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,479 Speaker 1: Block Sexton. Alright, Team Buck, We are joined now by 1395 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,040 Speaker 1: Tom Nichols. He is Professor of National Security Affairs at 1396 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,920 Speaker 1: the U. S. Naval War College, an adjunct professor at 1397 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the Harvard Extension School, and a former aid in the U. S. Senator. 1398 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 1: He is also a five time Jeopardy champion. Mr Nichols, 1399 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 1: great to have you, sir, Thanks for having me, Bucking, 1400 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,519 Speaker 1: congratulations on the new show. Thank you so much. So 1401 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: you are here because we want to talk to you 1402 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,240 Speaker 1: about a bunch of things, including your book, The Death 1403 01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:20,240 Speaker 1: of Expertise, the campaign against established knowledge and why it matters. 1404 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,120 Speaker 1: But before we get into that, can I just ask 1405 01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:26,040 Speaker 1: you about Hillary Clinton's Russia time. By the way, Jim 1406 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:30,800 Speaker 1: or Tom is very critical of Donald Trump, but it's 1407 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: also willing to be critical of Hillary Hillary Clinton, and 1408 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,080 Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton Russia ties or not something they get 1409 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,880 Speaker 1: much attention. I was wondering if you could fill us 1410 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,920 Speaker 1: in a bit. Well, the problem, of course is that 1411 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,880 Speaker 1: the Clinton Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative, Um, we'll never 1412 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,280 Speaker 1: really know, we'll never really plumb the depths of you know, 1413 01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:55,040 Speaker 1: how inappropriate or how what kind of deals the Clinton 1414 01:16:55,040 --> 01:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Global Global Initiative made, because of course now they've disbanded it. Um. 1415 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,280 Speaker 1: But the Clinton and Russia ties are not I think, 1416 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,439 Speaker 1: in the same category. They're not the same story as 1417 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,280 Speaker 1: the Clinton Trump ties, mostly because the Russians or the 1418 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,519 Speaker 1: Russia Trump ties. But let's let's let's stay on the 1419 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Clinton percent. Go ahead. Yeah. The the thing is the Kremlin. 1420 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,000 Speaker 1: The thing to understand, the Kremlin and Vladimir Putin personally 1421 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:23,480 Speaker 1: really loathed Hillary Clinton. Um. And so the financial dealings, 1422 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,479 Speaker 1: the kind of pay for play stuff that started to 1423 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,640 Speaker 1: surface during the campaign are not the same kind of 1424 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,040 Speaker 1: political ties because Putin has a particular loathing for Clinton 1425 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,960 Speaker 1: because he assumed she was behind a lot of the 1426 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 1: protests against him when he came back to power during 1427 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,120 Speaker 1: the Obama administration. So it's not it's there. There are 1428 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,880 Speaker 1: probably some ugly financial ties there, but they're not the 1429 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,680 Speaker 1: same kind of political ties because of that particular animus. Right, 1430 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,920 Speaker 1: But is it fair to say that maybe a a 1431 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,320 Speaker 1: receptive ear with Bill Clinton, perhaps even may have been 1432 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,800 Speaker 1: found by the Russian oligarch with the means to pay well. 1433 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,080 Speaker 1: I think the problem was that with the Clintons there 1434 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,080 Speaker 1: was always a receptive ear for anybody willing to pay. Okay, 1435 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,120 Speaker 1: fair enough, you know, I mean, I don't think the 1436 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,360 Speaker 1: Russians were a unique case. But again it's always important 1437 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,360 Speaker 1: to add the proviso that when it comes to the 1438 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:22,760 Speaker 1: Russian political structure, leaving inside the oligarchs and the wealthy 1439 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,840 Speaker 1: um Russian power brokers, the Clintons are an object of 1440 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,240 Speaker 1: special hatred Bill Clinton in particular because of his expansion 1441 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,240 Speaker 1: of NATO, which they blamed him and Metal and Albright 1442 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,960 Speaker 1: for personally. But of course rich Russians can put aside 1443 01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,800 Speaker 1: their interests or put aside their political views when their 1444 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,400 Speaker 1: financial interests are involved. So it wouldn't surprise me at 1445 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,240 Speaker 1: all to find out if that had happened. Let's talk 1446 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,000 Speaker 1: about your book, which I'm sorry, go ahead, and I 1447 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,000 Speaker 1: was gonna say it, there's always only representing my own 1448 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,760 Speaker 1: view on this buck but none of that would surprise. Yeah, 1449 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,240 Speaker 1: you know this is this is just Tom speaking for Tom. Everybody, 1450 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,639 Speaker 1: all the fancy places where he's affiliated, he's not speaking 1451 01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,760 Speaker 1: for them. Is this Tom speaking for Tom? Okay, the 1452 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 1: death of expertise? That's your book. Just tell me a 1453 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,280 Speaker 1: bit of can I just offer this? As I read 1454 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,080 Speaker 1: through the description of the book, it reminded me a 1455 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,880 Speaker 1: little bit of the the the Hubbub that was created 1456 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,920 Speaker 1: by that New Yorker cartoon. Do you remember this one 1457 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,479 Speaker 1: a few months ago where a guy stands up on 1458 01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,360 Speaker 1: a plane. For those who haven't seen this, it's it's 1459 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,000 Speaker 1: a cartoon that sparked many a conversation across the country. 1460 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: He stands a guy standing up on a plane and 1461 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,360 Speaker 1: the quote is, these smug pilots have lost touch with 1462 01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,519 Speaker 1: regular passengers like us. Who thinks I should fly the plane? Now? 1463 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: People had very different reactions to this. I feel like 1464 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 1: your book in a sense is maybe there's a corollary here. Absolutely, 1465 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 1: And you know that people who had read the book 1466 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,760 Speaker 1: or if we're familiar with what I was writing, they did. Okay, yeah, 1467 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,840 Speaker 1: that makes sense an many times because it does speak 1468 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,519 Speaker 1: to a truth that I was trying to get to 1469 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,559 Speaker 1: in the book, which is not that people distrust experts. 1470 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,680 Speaker 1: That's normal. That that goes back all the way to 1471 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,960 Speaker 1: the time. I mean Tokell wrote about this and Richard 1472 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,799 Speaker 1: Hoss that wrote about it sixty years ago, oh in Tokville, 1473 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,680 Speaker 1: two hundred years ago. What's different is that people now 1474 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,639 Speaker 1: think they're the peers of experts. They don't just say, look, 1475 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of your advice, I'd like a second opinion, 1476 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,280 Speaker 1: or I want you to explain yourself more. Rather they say, look, 1477 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,200 Speaker 1: I could do this better than you could, or I 1478 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,639 Speaker 1: know about as much about it as you do because 1479 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,559 Speaker 1: I watch TV or I browsed the Internet, or because 1480 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I you know, I read something on Facebook. And it's 1481 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,800 Speaker 1: become a real problem. Now you write about the epidemic 1482 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,439 Speaker 1: of ignorance that is threatening the foundations of American democracy. 1483 01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,960 Speaker 1: That's a pretty that's a pretty intense. Now this is 1484 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,760 Speaker 1: in the description of the book, not from the book 1485 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,280 Speaker 1: pages itself, necessarily, but that's pretty intense stuff. How is 1486 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,240 Speaker 1: an epidemic of ignorance threatening the foundations of democracy as 1487 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,040 Speaker 1: you talk about, as you discussed in the Death of Expertise. 1488 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,880 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I think that to have a functioning republic 1489 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,840 Speaker 1: we have to have trust. We have to our Our 1490 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,519 Speaker 1: legislators can't possibly know every single thing that they that 1491 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,240 Speaker 1: they vote on. They can't be experts on childcare one moment, 1492 01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 1: in foreign policy the next, and uh, you know, infrastructure 1493 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,880 Speaker 1: an hour later, So they have to rely on experts. 1494 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,719 Speaker 1: They have to rely on staff, they have to rely 1495 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,920 Speaker 1: on public testimony and advisory committees. And when the public 1496 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,320 Speaker 1: is saying, look, don't listen to any of those experts, 1497 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: just listen to what we are telling you to do directly, 1498 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,480 Speaker 1: as though this were a direct democracy rather than a republic, 1499 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,080 Speaker 1: the system malfunctions because the public isn't well informed on 1500 01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,720 Speaker 1: these issues. And that's someplace where I come down pretty hard. 1501 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,719 Speaker 1: In the book. Um I point out cases, for example, 1502 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,040 Speaker 1: like people where people have very strong opinions about what 1503 01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 1: to do about Russian UH interference in Ukraine, But then 1504 01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,240 Speaker 1: if you ask people to find Ukraine on a map, 1505 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,320 Speaker 1: the average person is off by about eighteen hundred miles, 1506 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,320 Speaker 1: which means the average person that can't even place Ukraine 1507 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,080 Speaker 1: on the right continent, even though they have very strong 1508 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,080 Speaker 1: feelings about it. And so when that happens, when the 1509 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,680 Speaker 1: public becomes so uninformed and yet so insistent on controlling 1510 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,960 Speaker 1: paul A see through sheer emotion, then the Republic is 1511 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: in danger because that is not the way our system 1512 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,400 Speaker 1: was designed to function, not the way the founders saw 1513 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,240 Speaker 1: the way that the business of the country would be conducted. 1514 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,000 Speaker 1: Your your point about how people in government, for example, 1515 01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,240 Speaker 1: elected elected officials need to rely on it. That can't 1516 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,120 Speaker 1: be a true expert on healthcare at your expert in 1517 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,559 Speaker 1: national defense? A true expert? Uh And and that all 1518 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,679 Speaker 1: being said. Of all of the quotes from Barack Obama's 1519 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,280 Speaker 1: eight years in office, the one that I thought was 1520 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: in many ways the most troubling, which for me, is 1521 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,559 Speaker 1: really saying something, is his quote, that quote that I'm 1522 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,320 Speaker 1: a better speech writer than my speech writers. I know 1523 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,200 Speaker 1: more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. 1524 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,080 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now that I'm going to 1525 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,320 Speaker 1: think I'm a better political director than my political director. 1526 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,479 Speaker 1: End quote. Only somebody who has never been confronted with 1527 01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,840 Speaker 1: the realities of his own lack of knowledge would ever 1528 01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,080 Speaker 1: say such a thing that that is borderline crazy. It 1529 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 1: It was a deeply disturbing thing to hear UH and I, 1530 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,400 Speaker 1: And unfortunately it's not just limited to Barack Obama. During 1531 01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,720 Speaker 1: the campaign President Trump, I don't who needs experts. I 1532 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 1: have a very good brain, I know more than the general's. 1533 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, when people start thinking that way, um, you 1534 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,240 Speaker 1: make bad decisions. Because I've been a political staff or, 1535 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,360 Speaker 1: I've been a subject matter advisor both in politics and 1536 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,840 Speaker 1: government and in private industry, and the fact the matter is, 1537 01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, people benefit from advice and discussion and expert knowledge, 1538 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,400 Speaker 1: and we've somehow decided that experts are the enemy. And 1539 01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,360 Speaker 1: I think it's because people now conflate the words expert 1540 01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,960 Speaker 1: and elitist. Well, I was about to offer you that 1541 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,479 Speaker 1: I think that some of this this transfer from UH 1542 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,080 Speaker 1: suspicion or skepticism maybe a better way to put a 1543 01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,040 Speaker 1: skepticism of expertise to thinking one is a peer of 1544 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,799 Speaker 1: expertise is one a lot of the elites in this country. 1545 01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,200 Speaker 1: And I'm really thinking now of media and political elites 1546 01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,320 Speaker 1: present themselves constantly as on both sides of the this 1547 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,559 Speaker 1: is bipartisan present themselves as experts on issues that they 1548 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,479 Speaker 1: don't really know very much about at all, and so 1549 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,960 Speaker 1: I do think that they're a part of this is 1550 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,920 Speaker 1: a public reaction to now because we all have the internet, 1551 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,840 Speaker 1: we can hear what people say on things, we can 1552 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,000 Speaker 1: fact check them in real time. Uh, you see this 1553 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,080 Speaker 1: all over the place, you know, other than raising money 1554 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,120 Speaker 1: and giving speech to other people, Right, what is Nancy 1555 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,840 Speaker 1: Pelosi truly an expert in? And so people think, well, 1556 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,599 Speaker 1: if she can do it, I mean, if she could pretend, 1557 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,599 Speaker 1: I can pretend. But in part that's because people don't 1558 01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,679 Speaker 1: know what Congress does all day. And when you point 1559 01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,400 Speaker 1: out that people can fact check, what's more accurate to 1560 01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,800 Speaker 1: say is they think they can fact check because they 1561 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,360 Speaker 1: themselves don't really have the background to know if what 1562 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,280 Speaker 1: they're checking is accurate or not. I'll say one thing 1563 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in defense of legislators, and this has kind of inadvertently 1564 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,760 Speaker 1: against term limits. By the way, when legislators serve on 1565 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,320 Speaker 1: a committee for a long time, they do actually gain 1566 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,559 Speaker 1: a lot of expert knowledge. I worked for a senator 1567 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,759 Speaker 1: who spent a long time, for example, dealing on elderly matters, 1568 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,559 Speaker 1: and after several years on committee, he actually was really 1569 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,040 Speaker 1: good at elderly issues and knew them backward and forward, 1570 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,920 Speaker 1: just as others become good at health care, or intelligence 1571 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:12,040 Speaker 1: or or foreign affairs. The danger comes, I think you 1572 01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,679 Speaker 1: are right to use the word suspicion. The danger comes 1573 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:19,080 Speaker 1: when people want to blame the system or the government 1574 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,320 Speaker 1: or forces beyond their control for bad things that are 1575 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,680 Speaker 1: happening in their lives, and they decide that people with 1576 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,400 Speaker 1: more information or the people that seem to be advantaged 1577 01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:33,200 Speaker 1: and the information economy are somehow taking advantage of them. 1578 01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 1: And I think some of that's just the nature of 1579 01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,800 Speaker 1: the information age, that this is a time we live 1580 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,960 Speaker 1: in now where knowing stuff and having information is actually 1581 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:46,920 Speaker 1: rewarded more than um, you know, pure entrepreneurialism or pure 1582 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,360 Speaker 1: pluck or luck or hard work. I don't I don't 1583 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,760 Speaker 1: want to chase down an extraneous threat to our conversation here, 1584 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,080 Speaker 1: but just on your on your note about people who 1585 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,160 Speaker 1: are in the legislature who can become experts. Of course, obviously, 1586 01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,680 Speaker 1: there are also people that I remember from my time, 1587 01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,519 Speaker 1: think some of them and dealing with some of them 1588 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:06,400 Speaker 1: in government, who are shockingly intellectually incurious and lacking in 1589 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 1: knowledge on issues that are within their portfolio, who are 1590 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:10,880 Speaker 1: given a lot of power to make it. Now, I 1591 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: know you're not going to disagree with that, but I'm 1592 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,760 Speaker 1: just that's the other no. No. And in fact, I 1593 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,400 Speaker 1: recently came across a piece of congressional testimony that included 1594 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,120 Speaker 1: the gem where it actually had it in the congressional 1595 01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,559 Speaker 1: record that the representatives involved walking and he said, and 1596 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,360 Speaker 1: he said, I didn't hear the first questions in this hearing, 1597 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,160 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter because I wouldn't believed any of 1598 01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,720 Speaker 1: you people anyway. Okay, well you know, then what's the 1599 01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,000 Speaker 1: point of a hearing? Yeah, I mean, and I could 1600 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,479 Speaker 1: have we could have a whole other segment. We just 1601 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,280 Speaker 1: talk about how I'm always amazed at who will be 1602 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,400 Speaker 1: put on television to represent other expertise or background in 1603 01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,840 Speaker 1: a certain matter especial. I think national security is one 1604 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,760 Speaker 1: of the ones where I'm always I'm like, wow, that 1605 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,600 Speaker 1: is that is not somebody who should be waxing philosophical 1606 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,000 Speaker 1: on this. But that's that's a whole, other, whole other 1607 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,280 Speaker 1: ball because I think maybe it's because the area that 1608 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I know the best, I see people on TV. I 1609 01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,919 Speaker 1: hear what they're saying, and you know, I'm I'm amazed 1610 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,559 Speaker 1: of what passes for expertise in the TV analysis world. 1611 01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,920 Speaker 1: But maybe that's only a small portion of this. You're 1612 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,960 Speaker 1: right about the culture go ahead, important problem, Buck, And 1613 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,360 Speaker 1: I think you know you and I have both had 1614 01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,920 Speaker 1: that experience of watching somebody and saying, how did you know? Why? 1615 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,320 Speaker 1: Why am I watching this person? And I do talk 1616 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,800 Speaker 1: about this in the book. Part of it is just 1617 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the amount of television space there is to fill, the 1618 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,320 Speaker 1: amount of bandwidth and time is so huge that you know, 1619 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,400 Speaker 1: at some point you're almost dragging people in off the 1620 01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,240 Speaker 1: street to say, hey, have a seat, you know, tell us, uh, 1621 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,439 Speaker 1: you know, be an expert on this. And and there's 1622 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,840 Speaker 1: no doubt that it's a real problem. And it's seriously, 1623 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,599 Speaker 1: I would say, degrading the quality of our public discussions. Yes, well, 1624 01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,479 Speaker 1: people either have there they have a credibility, or they don't. 1625 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 1: And if they don't, a way to make up for 1626 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,599 Speaker 1: that is to just immediately, just immediately, go go hard 1627 01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,680 Speaker 1: on the issue they're supposed to have an expertise on, 1628 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,760 Speaker 1: Go hard in a political direction. And that's you know that, 1629 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,040 Speaker 1: which is you know, so you go on TV and 1630 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,120 Speaker 1: it's like, well, what what do you think about counterinsurgency 1631 01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:02,280 Speaker 1: operations ongoing with the Kurdish militias in Syria and the 1632 01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,679 Speaker 1: and the problems that brings in with Turkey. Just say, well, 1633 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,599 Speaker 1: Obama has done a terrible job, and of a sudden, 1634 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't it doesn't matter. You don't have 1635 01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:10,400 Speaker 1: to know who the you don't have to know who 1636 01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,519 Speaker 1: the militias are. That the acronym doesn't have to have 1637 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,880 Speaker 1: any meaning. But Obama is terrible and or or on 1638 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,439 Speaker 1: the other side, by the way, you know MSNBC, you 1639 01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,320 Speaker 1: turn that on and it's always you know, Trump is 1640 01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,880 Speaker 1: Hitler and he's gonna nuke everybody. But well, I want 1641 01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,280 Speaker 1: to give you one more before we were gonna have 1642 01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:24,720 Speaker 1: to run to a break here, and we're talking to 1643 01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,360 Speaker 1: Tom Nichols. He's the author of the Death of Expertise, 1644 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,559 Speaker 1: The Campaign against Established Knowledge and Why it Matters. Okay, 1645 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,200 Speaker 1: so you're establishing in your book all these problems that 1646 01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,880 Speaker 1: people have with expertise knowledge. What is the people say, 1647 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,240 Speaker 1: what's the solution? That's not fair because you can't come 1648 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,200 Speaker 1: up with a solution necessarily new book. How do we 1649 01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,599 Speaker 1: make it better? Well, I think one place that First 1650 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,800 Speaker 1: of all, I think experts have to scale back some 1651 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,559 Speaker 1: of their claims. It's no but I have all chapter 1652 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,720 Speaker 1: in the book about when experts are wrong and the 1653 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,759 Speaker 1: kind of mistakes they make in dealing with the public, 1654 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,240 Speaker 1: and I think, uh, you know, some of the criticisms 1655 01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,559 Speaker 1: that are leveled that experts are perfectly legitimate. But I 1656 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,639 Speaker 1: also think the average person has to make more time 1657 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,719 Speaker 1: to be informed. And by informed, I don't mean leaving 1658 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,240 Speaker 1: the television on as kind of video wallpaper in the background, 1659 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,479 Speaker 1: or clicking blowing through a hundred web pages with a 1660 01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,320 Speaker 1: bunch of clicks and saying there, I've read the news. 1661 01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,960 Speaker 1: I think I always tell people start your day by 1662 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,920 Speaker 1: reading one morning major morning newspaper, and don't tell me 1663 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,040 Speaker 1: that you don't have the time, or that that it's 1664 01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,680 Speaker 1: too biased, or that you don't trust that start with 1665 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,639 Speaker 1: at least one major newspaper. Work your way from there, 1666 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,479 Speaker 1: and I think most people would be better off to 1667 01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,080 Speaker 1: do that, even if they disagree with what they're reading, 1668 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,439 Speaker 1: because I think the lack of foundational knowledge is what's 1669 01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:39,160 Speaker 1: frustrating the experts and making them turn away from talking 1670 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,760 Speaker 1: with the public, which I think is a disastrous development. 1671 01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Tom Nichols, author of the Death of Expertise. Tom. Great 1672 01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,400 Speaker 1: to have you, Thanks for coming back end. We'll talk 1673 01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,479 Speaker 1: to you soon. Thanks Buck. Phones are open eight four 1674 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,679 Speaker 1: four to five. Well be right back. Welcome back, Team 1675 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Annett in Las Vegas. You're on the Buck Saxon Show. Welcome, 1676 01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, Buck. And I just would like to um 1677 01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,320 Speaker 1: say to our new president. I think that if he 1678 01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:12,080 Speaker 1: come into the office and have a um a battle 1679 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:16,599 Speaker 1: that he can win, which is again legalizing medical and 1680 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,680 Speaker 1: recreational marijuana, his points are going to go up at 1681 01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:25,000 Speaker 1: least thirty or forty points. And then of course think 1682 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,240 Speaker 1: about that, I mean we will I don't I don't 1683 01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:28,920 Speaker 1: know if it's approval rating will go up thirty or 1684 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:33,840 Speaker 1: forty points. But I do think that medical idea well 1685 01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:38,160 Speaker 1: recreational as well, and it would be helping it and 1686 01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,840 Speaker 1: along with that it would be prison reform. Just think 1687 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,880 Speaker 1: about how many people are inconcerated or actually have probation 1688 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:50,280 Speaker 1: because of marijuana, so you can actually expunge their records, 1689 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,880 Speaker 1: you can be able to give it to the veterans. 1690 01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,559 Speaker 1: Because again we see that there's an epidemic epidemic with 1691 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:04,679 Speaker 1: the prescription drugs adoses, so this is going to be 1692 01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of win win win. Well, it is true 1693 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,720 Speaker 1: that the prescription drugs, and we had that expert on 1694 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,280 Speaker 1: and and then I know you're on hold for a 1695 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,200 Speaker 1: long time, so thank you for for your patients of 1696 01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,400 Speaker 1: we had we had that expert on to talk about fentanyl, 1697 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,920 Speaker 1: and clearly prescription drugs are a much bigger public health 1698 01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,360 Speaker 1: crisis and concern than then marijuana has ever been u 1699 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,479 Speaker 1: and I know that these are drugs that people are 1700 01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,080 Speaker 1: getting that aren't even there. It's I originally thought that 1701 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,439 Speaker 1: we're talking about prescription with fentanyl and the opioid crisis. 1702 01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,840 Speaker 1: I assume that it was prescription drugs that people were 1703 01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,679 Speaker 1: getting and then reselling. And that's often in the past 1704 01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,120 Speaker 1: when people talk about oh, you know, somebody was you know, 1705 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,040 Speaker 1: getting oxy cotton or usually it's you know, there's a 1706 01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,120 Speaker 1: person who's usually a doctor. Well, a person can get 1707 01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,160 Speaker 1: it legally and then sell it illegally. Selling one pill, 1708 01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,720 Speaker 1: I believe is a federal crime. Um or what will 1709 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,599 Speaker 1: happen is they'll be a doctor who's writing prescriptions for money. Right, 1710 01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,800 Speaker 1: he's just writing out lot or writing prescriptions for large 1711 01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,519 Speaker 1: amounts of pills. I didn't realize that this was just 1712 01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,240 Speaker 1: a This was a designer drag, a chemical that was 1713 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,800 Speaker 1: being brought in from the outside by Mexican cartels and 1714 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,800 Speaker 1: by Chinese organized crime, and they were bringing into the 1715 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,920 Speaker 1: country wholesale effectively illegally in that way. So that was 1716 01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,360 Speaker 1: something new, uh that that I was not aware of, 1717 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,800 Speaker 1: And clearly it has to be this has to be 1718 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 1: addressed by the way I have some I'm not even 1719 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,600 Speaker 1: sure we can call it breaking news, but it's a 1720 01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,960 Speaker 1: maybe we could say, an allegation of breaking news that 1721 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,599 Speaker 1: is going to really set the media sphere on fire 1722 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,439 Speaker 1: if it's true. But I'm I know it's kind of unfair. 1723 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,360 Speaker 1: This is like, I'm I'm making you sit with me 1724 01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,280 Speaker 1: while we watched The Bachelor, and they're like, and the 1725 01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,240 Speaker 1: final rose goes to and then they we gotta got 1726 01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,800 Speaker 1: a break or an American idol, you know, and the 1727 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,960 Speaker 1: winner is right after this break. But I've got quite 1728 01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,880 Speaker 1: a an allegation of a very juicy story. I'm not 1729 01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,320 Speaker 1: it's not confirmed yet, but it's looking I don't know 1730 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,120 Speaker 1: how they could walk back from it. And I know 1731 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm being vague intentionally, So you'll stay with me, So 1732 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,800 Speaker 1: you'll hang out here in the Freedom Hut, but we've 1733 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:10,679 Speaker 1: got Alan in West Virginia on w LTP. What's up, Allen? 1734 01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:17,040 Speaker 1: Well Buck? How are you, sir? I'm doing fine, glad 1735 01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,479 Speaker 1: to talk to me all right? Thank you sure for 1736 01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,960 Speaker 1: calling him? What's on your mind? Hi? Your last gift 1737 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,960 Speaker 1: brought up the point? Are you brought it up? Way 1738 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:30,080 Speaker 1: of talking to him about our newscasts from so many 1739 01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,360 Speaker 1: different places? Yeah, it seems like you gotta come out. 1740 01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,439 Speaker 1: They got a big out. They have to go out 1741 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,479 Speaker 1: and find experts a lot of them, and you're gonna 1742 01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,200 Speaker 1: Stren't that many of them? Well, there aren't that many 1743 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,280 Speaker 1: who are who are willing to do TV and who 1744 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,640 Speaker 1: are good at TV. To TV is a skill. I 1745 01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,000 Speaker 1: know people don't think of it that way, but it 1746 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,800 Speaker 1: actually is. Oh I couldn't do that. I mean, I've 1747 01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,639 Speaker 1: seen plenty of people that are, you know, from think tanks. 1748 01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,840 Speaker 1: They go on TV. Well, let me talk to you 1749 01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,200 Speaker 1: about the true ratifications of this palace. You know what 1750 01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,000 Speaker 1: everyone's going or you know they're they're clicking the channel 1751 01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,599 Speaker 1: onto something else, which is every TV executive's worst nightmare. 1752 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,160 Speaker 1: So something. They're very smart people. They're even some excellent writers. 1753 01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,880 Speaker 1: Who write with with swagger and with knowledge and substance, 1754 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,400 Speaker 1: but you put them on TV and there, I don't 1755 01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,400 Speaker 1: know what to say about that, you know, and all 1756 01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden it's not good. So you know it 1757 01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,599 Speaker 1: is hard. Alan. You make a good point and finding 1758 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,240 Speaker 1: people who are have real background and are good at TV. 1759 01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,360 Speaker 1: But also my thank you Allan for color from West 1760 01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:30,880 Speaker 1: Virginia Shields High. Um. Important thing to keep in mind. 1761 01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,439 Speaker 1: The best advice I was ever told about TV from 1762 01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,080 Speaker 1: somebody who's a veteran of the industry. Uh. And I 1763 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,200 Speaker 1: do if I do some TV here and there. I've 1764 01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,559 Speaker 1: I've been paid to do TV now for years. Uh. 1765 01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,880 Speaker 1: And the best advice I was given was don't ever 1766 01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,920 Speaker 1: think it's fair, and don't ever think it's even about fair. 1767 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,599 Speaker 1: So you gotta keep that in mind whenever you're clicking 1768 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,800 Speaker 1: through the various cable news channels. It's just whatever the 1769 01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,559 Speaker 1: folks making the decisions think, that's what goes, not what 1770 01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,120 Speaker 1: reality is about. Who knows what We'll be back right 1771 01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:02,000 Speaker 1: after this break with some breaking Buck Sexton with America 1772 01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,880 Speaker 1: now where there is always something to talk about, where 1773 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,360 Speaker 1: you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure you'll win. 1774 01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:11,160 Speaker 1: We'll just call eight four four nine hundred buck. That's 1775 01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:16,240 Speaker 1: eight four four d to eight to five. All right, Buck, 1776 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,320 Speaker 1: you're on. Got a lot to talk about as we 1777 01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,120 Speaker 1: get into the latter part of the show here, and 1778 01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,479 Speaker 1: we've got a great guest who's gonna be joining in 1779 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,320 Speaker 1: just a second. At first, I made a promise, I 1780 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:31,200 Speaker 1: said I would inform you all about this thing that 1781 01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,680 Speaker 1: the media is all excited about, and that is that 1782 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,599 Speaker 1: on MSNBC, which I'm guessing most of you listening do 1783 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:40,840 Speaker 1: not watch, at least do not watch as a matter 1784 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:45,600 Speaker 1: of habit. On MSNBC, you have Rachel Mattow who is 1785 01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,559 Speaker 1: on at nine o'clock. She's one of their hosts. She's 1786 01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,439 Speaker 1: making a lot of headway in the ratings these days 1787 01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,000 Speaker 1: by just being the most as anti Trump is one 1788 01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,200 Speaker 1: can possibly be. And she has tweeted out that she 1789 01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,559 Speaker 1: has Donald Trump's tax returns from her official twit her account. 1790 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:05,960 Speaker 1: This is what she wrote, breaking, We've got Trump tax returns, seriously, 1791 01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,760 Speaker 1: and then there was another tweet where she said that 1792 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,320 Speaker 1: it's his ten forty form from two thousand and five. 1793 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,599 Speaker 1: Maybe they have this, I don't even know. That sounds 1794 01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,040 Speaker 1: to me like it will probably be a non story 1795 01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:22,000 Speaker 1: and really boring, but great. Uh, great way to get 1796 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,760 Speaker 1: more attention for your show. But maybe maybe maybe it 1797 01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,600 Speaker 1: is meaningful. I I don't know, we'll see doubtful to me. 1798 01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,320 Speaker 1: But let's bring on our friend now, Matt Wall. She 1799 01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,880 Speaker 1: is the author of the Matt wallsh blog. He's also 1800 01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,600 Speaker 1: a writer for the Blaze dot com. Matt, great to 1801 01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:39,320 Speaker 1: have you, Helly, thanks for having uh. First off, can 1802 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,200 Speaker 1: I just ask you, I know we don't know because 1803 01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,840 Speaker 1: we have to wait for Matt out to unveil what 1804 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,400 Speaker 1: she has. I don't even know if you saw this tweet, 1805 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,240 Speaker 1: but everyone's now of course freaking out because Trump tax returns, 1806 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,600 Speaker 1: as though the Trump tax returns aren't already in the 1807 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,920 Speaker 1: hands of the federal government, which the FBI could easily 1808 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,840 Speaker 1: get access to if it was really worthwhile. But that's 1809 01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,519 Speaker 1: a whole separate part of the discussion. Uh, what do 1810 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,559 Speaker 1: you think is this gonna mean anything? There's just just 1811 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:05,000 Speaker 1: a way to hype up a show, I would say 1812 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:09,760 Speaker 1: the latter. I just saw how mad A clarified that 1813 01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,960 Speaker 1: there is two thousand five tax terms, only US two 1814 01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,280 Speaker 1: thousand five, So it's yeah, that's more at first I 1815 01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,880 Speaker 1: thought we'd be looking at something free, so it's more 1816 01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,639 Speaker 1: reason than I thought. But just one year, eleven years 1817 01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,479 Speaker 1: ago to twelve years ago. Uh, unless they find something 1818 01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,559 Speaker 1: read just some huge bombshell. But as you said, if 1819 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:35,200 Speaker 1: it's really a bombshell, if it's like indication of criminal activity, 1820 01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, something like that, well yep, the government would 1821 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,240 Speaker 1: already be on that, be beyond that, on that trail 1822 01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,600 Speaker 1: and doing something about it. So um, it's hard for 1823 01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,680 Speaker 1: me to believe. I got I feel like a few 1824 01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,240 Speaker 1: years ago I got a letter from the I R 1825 01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,679 Speaker 1: S because of a ten ninety nine that I thought 1826 01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:52,560 Speaker 1: was covered or and like they're like, you always a 1827 01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,519 Speaker 1: hundred dollars or something, So I was like, okay, I'll 1828 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,720 Speaker 1: pay you a hundred bucks. But yeah, if they want 1829 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,280 Speaker 1: my hundred dollars, I'm pretty sure Trump's international scheme of 1830 01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:03,840 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions run through the cremin or whatever it 1831 01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,439 Speaker 1: is that people have considered in their minds. It's not 1832 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,280 Speaker 1: like this has been hidden and no one's ever seen 1833 01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,599 Speaker 1: this before. The I R S, which is the federal 1834 01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,760 Speaker 1: government agency that I think is the most intrusive and 1835 01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:18,240 Speaker 1: the scariest, already has it. Yeah, let me right, right, exactly. 1836 01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,280 Speaker 1: So I really don't expect to see any proof of 1837 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,680 Speaker 1: a Russian conspiracy, but I think we'll working. If I 1838 01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,320 Speaker 1: were to make a prediction, I think it's it's going 1839 01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,679 Speaker 1: to indicate that he's not nearly as rich as he claims, 1840 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,840 Speaker 1: and he probably has given like nothing charity. Um. So 1841 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,760 Speaker 1: that I I if there are any revelations, I'm thinking 1842 01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:36,840 Speaker 1: those are probably it. I don't think it's gonna make 1843 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,680 Speaker 1: much of it then, because I think most of us 1844 01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:42,840 Speaker 1: already kind of figured that, and Trump's diehard supporters aren't 1845 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,040 Speaker 1: aren't going to be swayed by that, and people who are, 1846 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, giving him a chance or whatever probably aren't 1847 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,599 Speaker 1: gonna be too swayed by it. So yeah, it doesn't 1848 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,519 Speaker 1: it doesn't move. It doesn't move the needle one way 1849 01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,960 Speaker 1: or the other. Really, because as you say, if if 1850 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,320 Speaker 1: it's if he doesn't get much money to charity, they're like, well, 1851 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,800 Speaker 1: his charity is making America greaty and if you like him, 1852 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,840 Speaker 1: and if you don't, well you know he's a liar 1853 01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,120 Speaker 1: once again, and who you know, what difference will it 1854 01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,360 Speaker 1: make to you in the long run? Um? But anyway 1855 01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,759 Speaker 1: that so I just want to touch on that because 1856 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,960 Speaker 1: right now social media is you know, all fired up. 1857 01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,200 Speaker 1: But oh, they've got his tax returns, like as you 1858 01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,240 Speaker 1: point out attend on the nine from two thousand and five, 1859 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,759 Speaker 1: if there is a bombshell in there, well, then actually 1860 01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,080 Speaker 1: I would want to see the rest of his tax 1861 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,760 Speaker 1: returns because what are the chances? But maybe somebody with 1862 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,920 Speaker 1: access picked out maybe you know, that's the only way 1863 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,320 Speaker 1: this would be meaningful is if somebody if there's someone 1864 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,719 Speaker 1: on the inside who either was doing his taxes that's possible, 1865 01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,280 Speaker 1: third party or somebody within the I R S. And 1866 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,880 Speaker 1: then I mean, can you imagine the deep state conspiracy 1867 01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,040 Speaker 1: stuff that's gonna come out of there. That's gonna be crazy, 1868 01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,800 Speaker 1: But we'll have to see. Maybe it's nothing, And Matt 1869 01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,640 Speaker 1: I just wants people to tune into our show. I 1870 01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,439 Speaker 1: want to ask you about the Steve King comments that 1871 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,639 Speaker 1: got a lot of attention. We've got Chris Cuomo from 1872 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:53,000 Speaker 1: CNN who asked him to clarify his comments about I forget. 1873 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,040 Speaker 1: It was something along the lines of Matten, you can 1874 01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,280 Speaker 1: correct me here, perpetuating our civilization with someone else's babies 1875 01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,800 Speaker 1: or something. Wasn't that was that the comment? Yeah, something 1876 01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,720 Speaker 1: along those lines. So here's what Chris Cuomo said to 1877 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,080 Speaker 1: him on CNN to try to clarify this play. But 1878 01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,760 Speaker 1: we've also a bordered nearly sixty million babies in this 1879 01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,160 Speaker 1: country since nineteen seventy three, and there's been this effort 1880 01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,200 Speaker 1: that we're gonna have to replace that void with somebody 1881 01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,200 Speaker 1: else's babies. And that's that push to bring in much 1882 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:24,080 Speaker 1: illegal immigration into America, living in enclaves, refusing to assimilate 1883 01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,599 Speaker 1: into the American culture and civilization. Some embrace it, yes, 1884 01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:31,160 Speaker 1: but many are two and three generations living in enclaves 1885 01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,320 Speaker 1: that are pushing back now and resisting against the assimilation. 1886 01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,240 Speaker 1: It's far worse in Europe than it is today here 1887 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,360 Speaker 1: in the United States. But I want us to be 1888 01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,559 Speaker 1: looking at that promoting the birth rate in America, restoring 1889 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:46,479 Speaker 1: the rule of law. You seem inherently divisive. That's why 1890 01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,960 Speaker 1: I keep asking you what was your intention with this, 1891 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,120 Speaker 1: and you keep to seeing doubling down on it. I mean, 1892 01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,320 Speaker 1: you said America has got lots of different faces. That's fine, 1893 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,599 Speaker 1: but you keep making this point that this country needs 1894 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,960 Speaker 1: to be a white people raising their birth rate and 1895 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,280 Speaker 1: not bringing in other people. It's exactly what America is not. 1896 01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,960 Speaker 1: But Chris, I never have made that point. I've never 1897 01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,200 Speaker 1: said that. But I did defend Western civilization that started 1898 01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,880 Speaker 1: this last summer at the Republican National Convention. And when 1899 01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:18,839 Speaker 1: I said Western civilization, that launched people that are opposed 1900 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,960 Speaker 1: to Western civilization. That's a big problem all Matt, what 1901 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,200 Speaker 1: do you make of all this? I'm I don't remember. 1902 01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,280 Speaker 1: And a lot of conservatives I saw were very hard 1903 01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,760 Speaker 1: on Steve King for this too. I don't remember him 1904 01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,639 Speaker 1: ever seeing white but was he implying why? By the way, 1905 01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,160 Speaker 1: the quote was that we can't restore our civilization with 1906 01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,120 Speaker 1: someone else's babies. That was the quote that got him 1907 01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:39,479 Speaker 1: in such hot water with the media. What do you 1908 01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,519 Speaker 1: think of all this? Yeah, I don't get it. I 1909 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,280 Speaker 1: get what the King is saying. I think it sounds 1910 01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:50,840 Speaker 1: pretty logical to me. I don't get the backlash from conservatives. 1911 01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,800 Speaker 1: I understand from liberals are gonna take an opportunity they 1912 01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,439 Speaker 1: can to call your racist and to inject words into 1913 01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,719 Speaker 1: your statement that you did not say, and in fact 1914 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,640 Speaker 1: that you made a point of not saying. You that 1915 01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:02,599 Speaker 1: you went back and clarify the Steve King did, Steve 1916 01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,479 Speaker 1: King has done and said, I wasn't referring to white people, 1917 01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,880 Speaker 1: and he hasn't. Fact. Look, he's he's not backing down, 1918 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,120 Speaker 1: so he's sticking by his point, but he's just making 1919 01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,120 Speaker 1: clear what his point is. He's not talking about white 1920 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,040 Speaker 1: people specific, He's talking about American citizens. But to have 1921 01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:22,520 Speaker 1: all of these conservatives just jumping on the bandwagon against him, 1922 01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,479 Speaker 1: I'm not a Steve King expert anything like that, but 1923 01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:27,200 Speaker 1: but I like a lot of what he's done, a 1924 01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:30,599 Speaker 1: lot of the legislation that he's supported, and his generally 1925 01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,960 Speaker 1: his views on things. So it's it's is he one 1926 01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:37,400 Speaker 1: of those conservatives that all conservatives hate, like John McCain 1927 01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,400 Speaker 1: type that there, So they're just gonna jump on the 1928 01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,360 Speaker 1: outrage bandwagon because I don't think he is. I think 1929 01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,880 Speaker 1: he's the exact opposite of John McCain type. That's why 1930 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:44,840 Speaker 1: I like him. So I would think of you the 1931 01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,879 Speaker 1: kind of guy would give the benefit of the doubt too. 1932 01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,240 Speaker 1: But liberals tell us, oh, you should hate this person 1933 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,280 Speaker 1: because here's he had of context quote, and then we 1934 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,760 Speaker 1: all just go along with it. I don't what's yeah, 1935 01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:57,160 Speaker 1: he might be uh saying things in are more blunt 1936 01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,439 Speaker 1: ways than other people would address it. But what's the 1937 01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,760 Speaker 1: big deal. He's making the point that, you know, we 1938 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,680 Speaker 1: we are we are missing a lot of babies in 1939 01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:07,920 Speaker 1: this country, and that's true. And on top of that, 1940 01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,400 Speaker 1: we're not having babies, so we we have to perpetuate 1941 01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:15,200 Speaker 1: our civilization, sustain it somehow, and it's better to sustain 1942 01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,120 Speaker 1: it with our own people by having babies than by 1943 01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,200 Speaker 1: bringing in immigrants and illegal immigrants and Muslims and everything else. 1944 01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,920 Speaker 1: That there's nothing wrong with saying that. And by the way, 1945 01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:28,799 Speaker 1: if any politician in any non white, non western country 1946 01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:33,080 Speaker 1: said something similar about their own country, which which they 1947 01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:34,680 Speaker 1: all say that all the time, and they even have 1948 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,880 Speaker 1: laws to that effect. White liberals in this country have 1949 01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:39,400 Speaker 1: no problem with that. If you have if you had 1950 01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:43,920 Speaker 1: a Nigerian politician saying that, you know, we need to 1951 01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,240 Speaker 1: sustain our civilization by having babies and not just relying 1952 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,360 Speaker 1: on uh, you know, Western immigrants, not that there are 1953 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,479 Speaker 1: a lot of Western immigrants Nigeria. But the point is, 1954 01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,120 Speaker 1: if Nigerian politicians said that, nobody would even dream of 1955 01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,960 Speaker 1: calling him a racist or having any problem with it whatsoever. Right, 1956 01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,759 Speaker 1: So is it are we the only ones who aren't 1957 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,400 Speaker 1: allowed to, you know, feel like, Hey, maybe we should 1958 01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,360 Speaker 1: have an identity of our own in this country and 1959 01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:09,559 Speaker 1: sustain it. It's interesting to me, Matt is is that 1960 01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,760 Speaker 1: there are some there's some Islamist jihadists out there. There's 1961 01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,360 Speaker 1: some radical, radical imams who will speak and this often 1962 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:18,800 Speaker 1: comes up in the context of Israel and Palestinians, but 1963 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,920 Speaker 1: also more broadly. Now you'll hear it from some radicalized 1964 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,240 Speaker 1: radical the moms about about europe at An immigration in general, 1965 01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,920 Speaker 1: and that is that they view demography as a means 1966 01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:30,960 Speaker 1: of conquest. Now I'm not saying that everybody. I'm just 1967 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,240 Speaker 1: saying this is said. But in that context, are people 1968 01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:36,920 Speaker 1: allowed to have a discussion about, well, if there's an idea, 1969 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:41,000 Speaker 1: if there's an importation of people with a different ideology, Uh, 1970 01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,360 Speaker 1: doesn't that affect the political culture of the host country? 1971 01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I what I see happening here is that 1972 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,200 Speaker 1: there's the media or people are allowed to make an 1973 01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:53,400 Speaker 1: assumption that when you say American, American culture, American civilization, 1974 01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:58,240 Speaker 1: American nous, you're inherently referring to whiteness. And that's actually 1975 01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,880 Speaker 1: not that's not the conservative position, and that's not that 1976 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,400 Speaker 1: that's not what people who are who are making this 1977 01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,720 Speaker 1: case openly and honestly, and I'm talking about not talking 1978 01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:09,760 Speaker 1: about Steeds King specifically, just in general about Western civilization, 1979 01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,599 Speaker 1: that that's not a position they necessarily take, but that's 1980 01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,639 Speaker 1: always imposed on them, because then it's just about people 1981 01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,880 Speaker 1: are being racist. But there is such a thing as 1982 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:24,320 Speaker 1: ideological ideological uh, lack of assimilation. That is a real 1983 01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:28,160 Speaker 1: problem that Europe is facing in America, has it too? Yeah, 1984 01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,680 Speaker 1: if we believe that, if we're willing to believe that 1985 01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,160 Speaker 1: we have any kind of identity, any kind of culture 1986 01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,000 Speaker 1: at all in this country, or that we should anyway, 1987 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, just just that we should all at least 1988 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,559 Speaker 1: degree on some really basic things like for instance, um, 1989 01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,920 Speaker 1: it's not okay to stone a woman to death for 1990 01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,960 Speaker 1: adultery or to throw a gaze off rooftops. If we 1991 01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,280 Speaker 1: would all agree that that's part of our identity as Americans, 1992 01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:48,960 Speaker 1: or at least should be, and I think we all would, 1993 01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,320 Speaker 1: Liberal conservants, right, we all agree on that, then can't 1994 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,519 Speaker 1: we agree that cultures which disagree with us on that 1995 01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:58,560 Speaker 1: very fundamental precept don't sit here? That we cannot assimbilate 1996 01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,879 Speaker 1: those cultures because they're so radically different from ours. Um, 1997 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,880 Speaker 1: but we're obsessed with this idea that, you know, all 1998 01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,760 Speaker 1: cultures are equal and you can judge a culture. That's 1999 01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,360 Speaker 1: not true. All cultures are. Cultures are different. You know what, 2000 01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,120 Speaker 1: what is the culture? It's just the It's the sum 2001 01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:15,000 Speaker 1: total of beliefs and attitudes and goals, of perspectives of 2002 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,799 Speaker 1: a of a of a given people, a giving country. 2003 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,080 Speaker 1: And they're not all equal. And there are some that 2004 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,720 Speaker 1: are objectively worse. And I'm no big fan of of 2005 01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,760 Speaker 1: our current culture, by the way, I'm a big critic 2006 01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,800 Speaker 1: of it, but there are some that are objectively worse 2007 01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:30,280 Speaker 1: than ours. So the fundamentalist Muslim culture in the Middle East, 2008 01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:32,040 Speaker 1: where those kind of things are going on, that kind 2009 01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:35,000 Speaker 1: of brutality. People are being executed, you know, in the 2010 01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,479 Speaker 1: middle of the infidels are having their heads chopped off 2011 01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:39,840 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Obviously, I would say that's an 2012 01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,080 Speaker 1: inferior culture to our own. It's more brutal, it's more savage. 2013 01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:45,760 Speaker 1: It's just we don't want that culture here. We don't 2014 01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,200 Speaker 1: want that attitude. Maybe we should use that Is that 2015 01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,280 Speaker 1: a better word? People are feeling more comfortable with it. 2016 01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,599 Speaker 1: We don't want that attitude, we don't want that belief 2017 01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:54,920 Speaker 1: system that says it's okay to the head infidels. We 2018 01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,479 Speaker 1: don't want that here. It doesn't fit with what we're 2019 01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:59,680 Speaker 1: doing over here in America. And I think that was 2020 01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:04,599 Speaker 1: the things point, and I don't understand why conservatives would 2021 01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,519 Speaker 1: disagree with that. I think this is just one of 2022 01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,240 Speaker 1: the really fundamental things we're all supposed to agree on. 2023 01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,160 Speaker 1: I thought, anyway, yeah, that well, there's a subtext that 2024 01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:15,920 Speaker 1: we're supposed to see that Steve King is a a 2025 01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,680 Speaker 1: white nationalist or a racist. And I went over what 2026 01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,040 Speaker 1: he said here, and for example that CNN host Cuomo 2027 01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,880 Speaker 1: uh says, you know, that said that it's about only 2028 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:28,040 Speaker 1: for white people. But America is actually very diverse country. 2029 01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,599 Speaker 1: There a lot of none and they are everyone here 2030 01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,040 Speaker 1: is you know, America is an idea. America is not 2031 01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,800 Speaker 1: a race. And so to say that anyway to say 2032 01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,840 Speaker 1: to say that what we need to have Americans that 2033 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,400 Speaker 1: are replacing themselves as a necessary part of the propagation 2034 01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,760 Speaker 1: of American culture is not to say that this is 2035 01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,680 Speaker 1: about whiteness. It is about American nous, which I think 2036 01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,400 Speaker 1: the left just rejects that out of hand. They think 2037 01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:52,000 Speaker 1: that anytime you talk about America or Western civilization. It 2038 01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,400 Speaker 1: has to be only about whiteness. But anyway, Matt, we 2039 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,640 Speaker 1: gotta leave it there. Matt is the author of the 2040 01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,080 Speaker 1: Matt Walsh Blog. He's also an author at the Blaze. 2041 01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:01,639 Speaker 1: Check out his latest on Blaze dot com. Matt, thanks 2042 01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:06,120 Speaker 1: for making some time for us. Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah, 2043 01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:11,439 Speaker 1: Mattow has tweeted out. Mattow from n MSNBC has tweeted 2044 01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:15,240 Speaker 1: out that it's the two thousand President Trump's two thousand 2045 01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:20,960 Speaker 1: and five forty form. I highly doubt this is interesting, 2046 01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,320 Speaker 1: but it doesn't really matter because people are so rapidly 2047 01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:27,760 Speaker 1: anti Trump that having and the tax that they really have. 2048 01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the conspiracies on the left now are fascinating. 2049 01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,000 Speaker 1: They really think that not only do you have a 2050 01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:36,800 Speaker 1: Trump Kremlin Russia conspiracy to throw the election, of course, 2051 01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,360 Speaker 1: which you've talked about so much. And you'll notice I 2052 01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:39,840 Speaker 1: didn't get into it today because I like to give 2053 01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:41,479 Speaker 1: I like to mix it up and give us breaks 2054 01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:48,559 Speaker 1: from wating Trump, Rasha, Trump, Rasha, Russia, Thrompe talk about 2055 01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,040 Speaker 1: the Russian and Tromp and might I swear I don't 2056 01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:52,760 Speaker 1: want what is wrong with me? My Russian sounding like 2057 01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:59,160 Speaker 1: count Chocola all the time. Um, but anyway, uh man, 2058 01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:02,240 Speaker 1: I says she's got a two thousand, five forty four. 2059 01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:05,120 Speaker 1: I doubt there's anything in this of real interest to anybody, 2060 01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,360 Speaker 1: but just the tax story, anything Trump taxes is going 2061 01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:09,880 Speaker 1: to get a lot of attention, and people are gonna 2062 01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,360 Speaker 1: pretend it's, oh, you know, this is this is just 2063 01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,400 Speaker 1: a taste of what we're going to get later with 2064 01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,400 Speaker 1: the Trump taxes. Oh, it's gonna be. This is gonna 2065 01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:19,840 Speaker 1: who wants to I mean, I'm not actually offering your 2066 01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:21,320 Speaker 1: place a bet here. I mean this rhetorically, but it 2067 01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,360 Speaker 1: wants plased to bet that this is a nothing burger, 2068 01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:26,559 Speaker 1: A nothing burger on Trump taxes. You you heard it 2069 01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:32,000 Speaker 1: here first, A nothing burger with cheese and h I 2070 01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,000 Speaker 1: personally like bacon and sautet onions on my burgers. But 2071 01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,280 Speaker 1: we can talk burgers another time. We got Ben in 2072 01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:42,479 Speaker 1: North Carolina. W p T I Beam, what's up? Not 2073 01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,040 Speaker 1: a whole lot. I'm just listening to your show, and 2074 01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:51,639 Speaker 1: I'm curious why nobody and I'm and I'm I guess 2075 01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm probably far off base because no one wants to 2076 01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:57,800 Speaker 1: talk about But I think it's a religious war. H 2077 01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:01,559 Speaker 1: I've been all over the Middle East. I've seen it. 2078 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,519 Speaker 1: I've seen what happens. I've been the public beheadings and 2079 01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:10,679 Speaker 1: Jeta and Jetta and uh. I've seen a whole lot 2080 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,320 Speaker 1: of what Islam is about. And when I came home, 2081 01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:16,599 Speaker 1: I knew I didn't want to have anything to do 2082 01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:20,160 Speaker 1: with it. And I think it's it's it's really a 2083 01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,920 Speaker 1: shame that nobody is really calling what it is. It's 2084 01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:28,280 Speaker 1: it's an Islamic takeover of the world. Well, that's certainly 2085 01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:32,480 Speaker 1: what that that's certainly what jihadists believe and and Islamists 2086 01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,200 Speaker 1: in their own way, although they're less quick to turn 2087 01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,840 Speaker 1: to violence, they do want a political system that is 2088 01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:42,479 Speaker 1: driven by a totalitarian form of Islam. And that's a 2089 01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:44,800 Speaker 1: very real dynamic. But yeah, they're also there are a 2090 01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:48,280 Speaker 1: lot of Muslims for whom and it's just about faith 2091 01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:50,519 Speaker 1: and worship and it's there. But you know, it's their 2092 01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:55,559 Speaker 1: belief system and they're perfectly willing to be pleasant and 2093 01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,360 Speaker 1: live within the laws and and you know, so it's 2094 01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,519 Speaker 1: I I know, we always have to go back and forth, 2095 01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,080 Speaker 1: and you don't want to pay with paint with two 2096 01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,800 Speaker 1: broad and brush. Look, there's that's if you ever are 2097 01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,320 Speaker 1: curious for an interesting exchange on this Sam Harris on 2098 01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,800 Speaker 1: the Bill Mars Show, and then Ben Affleck moving or 2099 01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,080 Speaker 1: not the actor got into it on this But Sam 2100 01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:17,160 Speaker 1: Harris said that is without specifically attacking individual Muslims, which 2101 01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,360 Speaker 1: is what I avoid doing as well. Um. But Sam 2102 01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,559 Speaker 1: Harris said, and he's an atheist, by the way, so 2103 01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,640 Speaker 1: if that sort of thing bothers, you don't go and 2104 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:26,960 Speaker 1: read a lot of Sam Harris. But he said that 2105 01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,960 Speaker 1: Islam is the motherload of bad ideas. That was his quote, 2106 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,240 Speaker 1: and it's certainly a good place to start if you're 2107 01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,519 Speaker 1: looking for the motherload of bad ideas. I can say 2108 01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:39,160 Speaker 1: that that the so so you know, maybe that's getting 2109 01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,000 Speaker 1: a little bit closer bend to your point here. But 2110 01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,720 Speaker 1: I also think it's important to separate out individuals and 2111 01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:48,639 Speaker 1: how they practice their religion from the overall belief system 2112 01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,240 Speaker 1: and what it means for you know, it's it's we're 2113 01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,720 Speaker 1: talking about one point six billion people. But you know, 2114 01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,000 Speaker 1: if it's one percent of one point six billion people 2115 01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,880 Speaker 1: that are gee hottis. Unfortunately, that's a lot of people. 2116 01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,479 Speaker 1: So we have to deal with that, um without maligning 2117 01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,400 Speaker 1: everybody else. Us. But Ben, thanks for calling in from 2118 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,880 Speaker 1: North Carolina on a w P T I And wow, 2119 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,559 Speaker 1: we've only got about a minute left on the show. 2120 01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:10,559 Speaker 1: So um by the way, I maybe i'll talk more 2121 01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:11,920 Speaker 1: about this tomorrow. I don't want to. I don't want 2122 01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,000 Speaker 1: to turn this show into a therapy session where I 2123 01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,800 Speaker 1: get to wine about the tax code. But I think 2124 01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,559 Speaker 1: it matters to all of us. And while we're spending 2125 01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:22,519 Speaker 1: all this airtime here and elsewhere and everywhere else talking 2126 01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,960 Speaker 1: about healthcare and the GOP and healthcare, I kind of 2127 01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,880 Speaker 1: wish that they would do the tax reform thing when 2128 01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,679 Speaker 1: everyone's really paying attention to taxes, which is right now 2129 01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:34,240 Speaker 1: bea and and I also think that they should that 2130 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,320 Speaker 1: Trump should just say, you know what, no more government 2131 01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:39,840 Speaker 1: withholding everybody has to everyone who pays taxes now has 2132 01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,479 Speaker 1: to write a check. Everybody has to write a check 2133 01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,400 Speaker 1: to the Federal Guard. That would change our views of this, 2134 01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,120 Speaker 1: I think very quickly, because I'm gonna have to write 2135 01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:50,400 Speaker 1: a check, and oh gosh, I hate that, hate it, 2136 01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,439 Speaker 1: and they've already taken so much of my money. I 2137 01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:54,600 Speaker 1: hate it. Uh So tax cod should be done now, 2138 01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:57,360 Speaker 1: all right, if you're listening, please go on iTunes or 2139 01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,200 Speaker 1: I Heart i Heart Radio app and subscribe to Sure 2140 01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,120 Speaker 1: you can subscribe on iTunes. You can play it on 2141 01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:04,880 Speaker 1: demand on the I Heart Radio app. Subscribing as great 2142 01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,400 Speaker 1: because it pops up in your and your feed or 2143 01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,479 Speaker 1: whether you download or not. 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