1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Halls. The thoughts and 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to 10 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on the I 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 12 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week I will share 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: your experiences whatever it is that you have going on, 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: from angels to aliens, shadow people to hat man. I 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: welcome you to go to shadow Folks dot com or 16 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com and I will address your concerns, 17 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: your insights, your experiences, your research, and you are always 18 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: welcome to be a guest on this program as well. 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: Most people seem to enjoy sending the emails, so I'm 20 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: not complaining, so I hope you enjoy when I get 21 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: to those and uh share those here on the air. 22 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: And I also have various guests that always blow my mind. 23 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm always learning, aren't you. When it comes to anything 24 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: that's unexplained, it's unexplained. So how do we figure this 25 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: stuff out? How do we find explanations? We talk to 26 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: each other, That's what we do. And I am really 27 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: enjoying a lot of the stuff that's coming my way. 28 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not always about the emails, it's 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: not always about the research. A lot of this that 30 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: comes to me. I've been very fortunate and I feel 31 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: blessed to come into the presence of people spontaneously that 32 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: just start opening up about things. And I am telling you, 33 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, as usual, it's happened again. And I 34 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: remember in college when this used to happen to me. 35 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I always used to wonder to have a target painted 36 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: on my back, like people just start talking to me 37 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: about their haunted house. I grew up in a haunted house, 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: so I would always get into these fascinating conversations and 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I could never explain or understand how this kept happening. 40 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: It's as if we were attracting each other, and and 41 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: then you just start going, you know, this is how 42 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: my life is, this is the way it's going to be. 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: So I'm never surprised, and and I almost am disappointed 44 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: to myself that I don't have that element of surprise anymore, 45 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: because I'm just like, people start talking and I just 46 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: look at them like this is any other day. And 47 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: and if I have friends or family with me, when 48 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: somebody just spontaneously starts talking about something out of the ordinary, 49 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: they're they're like, oh my goodness, oh my gosh, you 50 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: cover this like this is your stuff. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, 51 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: it happens a lot. And I really don't want to 52 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: become that person that's like, oh but of course, um, 53 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's become that way for me, And uh, 54 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I think now what it is. It's it's so common. 55 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm saddened when I hear about these things, Like I 56 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: guess it was kind of neat and cool that I 57 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: could relate to other people, but now it's become this, 58 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, not another person, not another soul harassed, 59 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: because more often than not, I'm hearing the negative stuff. 60 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: And uh, I could say truth truly that it was 61 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: more of a balance. You know, you'd hear the good 62 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: with the bad. And it was interesting how positive stuff 63 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: was followed up with bad stuff when it came to 64 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: like seeing something angelic or then demonic, and it would 65 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: just flip back and forth in people's lives, like if 66 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: you are open to seeing one thing, the other thing 67 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: just seems to happen. And oh boy, what am I 68 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: getting to? Well, I'm getting to this point of it 69 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: happened again and again. It's not uncommon. But you know, 70 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: with COVID and being more lockdown ish, not going out, adventuring, conversating, 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: getting as close to people, you have see more limited 72 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: options to communicate with people randomly, right, And uh, I 73 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: always appreciate when I'm like in the South and the 74 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: folks are just like, hey, how's it going. I'm good, 75 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: how are you? And I happened to be hanging out 76 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: in the South for a little bit here and uh, 77 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: I had an appointment today, okay, and wow, lady next 78 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: to me and she gave me permission to use her 79 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: first name of Arlene, and uh, hello Arlene, and uh 80 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: she just started conversating with me about my backpack, and 81 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people approach me about my backpack because 82 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: it's rather unique. It is a spiky backpack. I tend 83 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: to use it more often than I use a purse, 84 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: just because it's more convenient and it's less taxing. But 85 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: sometimes I question my choices because a backpack has a 86 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of space in it that's not very organized and 87 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: I end up having to dump it a lot just 88 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: to find things. Um. But I see people with giant 89 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: prisons do the same thing. So I am going to 90 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: stick with my backpack. Uh. And so I was chatting 91 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: with Arlene and I'm just like, oh, where'd you get it? 92 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: And just looking it up online and and starts talking 93 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: to me about some of the things that we're going on. 94 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Why she's there for an appointment. I'm like, oh, that's cool, 95 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know where. Uh. We started chatting 96 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: on some stranger things, you know. And this is typical. 97 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: And I don't just tell people outright, you know who 98 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: I am, what I do and all that stuff. So, uh, 99 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't like to freak people out. I know how 100 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: to clear a room, but I honestly like to talk 101 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: more about the spiritual side, as far as Jesus encounter 102 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: books that I have and angelic encounters and prayer and 103 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: all this stuff, but it always is interesting to me, like, 104 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: even if I try to lean in that direction, incomes 105 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: the topic of the demonic stuff all the time, and 106 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: spontaneously Arlene just goes, I saw a shadow being last night. 107 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, my gosh, and I just listened and 108 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, he's come by a couple of times, 109 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and and I'm like, you know what, are we a 110 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: seat apart? And she starts talking to me about this, 111 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: and my goodness, I listened intently and I said, okay, 112 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: she's not saying this one little element. And I'm like, 113 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: was the shadow being wearing a hat? She said yes. 114 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: She goes to her husband listen, listen, and I'm like yeah, 115 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: She's like, you know what I'm talking about. I'm like, yeah, 116 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with this. And then she mentioned somebody's 117 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: um work on my work who put out something that 118 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: just blows my mind. People just come at me and 119 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: grab my book and make a video on things. And 120 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what she was referring to 121 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: what video it was, but she's like, yeah, I had 122 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: seen something that just an image online somewhere and she's like. 123 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: I was like, no, could it be that that this 124 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: is exactly what it is I've dealt with? And wow, 125 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: um yeah, yeah it was. And and then she went 126 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: on to tell me about other elements of things that 127 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: she had experienced and oh, my gosh, the patterns, the 128 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: patterns people, and uh, you know, you gotta thank you. 129 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: You had a doctor's appointment. So there's there's illness that 130 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: might be going on that might attract something like this, 131 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: and uh, I just it breaks my heart because I 132 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: know these things are lingering to take advantage. I know 133 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: they're looking for a way in. And Arlene, let me know, 134 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: she's Christian and strong and that, and I'm like, but 135 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: you might be such a bright light that they're also attracted. 136 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: But I also seem to find that, you know, when 137 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: people are in a weakened state, uh, any form of 138 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: weakened state, whether it's emotionally, spiritually, or physically, they come around. 139 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: And so I took my time and I described to 140 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: her how best to protect herself because wow, they're just 141 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: kind of swarming the nest type of thing. And you know, 142 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: I could tell you as I'm listening to her story, 143 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, how many missed opportunities have happened like this 144 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: right here, I mean the prior night hat man came 145 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: to this woman. I I think he's able to predict 146 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: when people bump into me as well, because he gets 147 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: really ticked at experiencers when they reach out to me. 148 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: And in fact, many of them will back off and 149 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: they say I sent an email or it was about 150 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: to and and he started acting up. Things got worse, 151 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's it's a shame. It's a shame, 152 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: and it scares people away. But with COVID, imagine this 153 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: interaction has not been happening. I felt blessed and I 154 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: felt very positioned to be right there next to Arlene 155 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: with what was going on in her life as she 156 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: was dealing with some things. And how many airlines did 157 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: I miss? How many chance opportunities got just passed up? 158 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: So this pandemic is not just oppressing, depressing and possessing people. 159 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: It is absolutely eliminating opportunities for the light to creep 160 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: in as well, to be inspired to I don't know, 161 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: leap to their loo, dance a jig, you know. And 162 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: I saw the twinkle in her eye of wow, I 163 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: have somebody to relate to and wow, thank you so 164 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: much for you know, talking about this and and how 165 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: to get rid of it to protect herself. I mean, 166 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: oh gosh, you guys, it just really really put me 167 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: in that that mind space to be like, I really 168 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: need to get out more. And you know I do. 169 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: I do, right, I go outside and do a lot 170 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: of stuff. But those opportunities, those special opportunities to meet 171 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: fresh new people like that, it's um, it's it's magical 172 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: when it happens, it really is, and we need to 173 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: create more of that. We need to say, helly, how's 174 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: it going. You know, how are you doing? Cool? Cool purse, 175 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: cool backpack? Get those conversations going, and you'd be surprised. 176 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: It's like these little opportunities arise and we don't always 177 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: know why they happen, but then the conversation turns and 178 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll be that person to help somebody like 179 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: Arlie and point them in the right direction and and 180 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: clear that out of their lives. And I hope Arline, 181 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: if you're listening, that you do indeed reach out and 182 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: I will send the blessing that I use personally to 183 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: get rid of these things. So again, I welcome all 184 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: of you go to my main website, which is a 185 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: shadow folks dot com, so shadow f O l K 186 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: S or Heidi Hollis dot com. People have a hard 187 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: time spelling my name, so they go to the same website. Uh. 188 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: And today's show, we're gonna just go through your emails 189 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: and get down to it and talk about whatever comes up, 190 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: because we're living a life here that's quite out of 191 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: the ordinary. All right. You are listening to Dark Becomes 192 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 193 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Correct. 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Welcome back. 236 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 237 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 238 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network. As mentioned in the first segment, 239 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: today is all about your emails. So I am just 240 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: going to dive on in and I really do not 241 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: read these in advance, very rarely every once in a 242 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: while to skip, but very lightly, if ever, so as 243 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: I read these things, if there's some broken English in there, 244 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: I am totally just trying to make sense of it 245 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: as we go along. So pardon me. Um, all right, 246 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: this one says, hello, Heidi, I have just come across 247 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: your book The Hatman. I will tell you my experience 248 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: to add to your collection. I have thousands, absolutely thousands. 249 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm seventy three, and when I was about three or four, 250 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: I remember quite vividly what was a dream that was 251 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: very real but I will never know. But as I 252 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: stood at the bottom of the stairs in the house 253 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: we lived in, I was with my father. He was 254 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: putting on his tie at the mirror. You know, this 255 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: is so wild to me. People that can remember toddler 256 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: years toddler three years old? My goodness. Okay, so she continues. 257 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: I looked up the stairs and stood at the top. Okay, 258 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I think they're saying. What was standing there at the 259 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: top was a figure in a long black cost with 260 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: a hat. I don't know what a cost is, pulled 261 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: over his I felt it was a male. The figure 262 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: beckoned me, Oh my gosh, beckoned me up the stairs. 263 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: But I felt afraid. Okay, so I'm gonna read that sentence. Aken. 264 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: I looked up the stairs and what stood at the 265 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: top was a figure in a long black I think 266 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: they mean coat with a hat pulled over, and they 267 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: felt it was a male. The figure beckoned me up 268 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the stairs, but I felt afraid. The memory stops there. 269 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: In my young life, I was always scared that my 270 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: soul would be stolen. Oh my gosh, what a thought. 271 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: I often felt a vibration as if I would have 272 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: an out of body experience, which scared me. As I 273 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: got older and learned to deal with the fear, et cetera. 274 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: This is the kind of experience I'm curious widely reported. Okay, 275 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: they're asking if there's a widely experience. Okay, got you. 276 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Catherine from the UK. Awesome, um wow, um. 277 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: Believe it or not. That is a something an element 278 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: that I have heard people saying they feel a certain 279 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: vibration that kind of hums in their center of their 280 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: being and then poop, they pop out of their bodies. 281 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: So that's interesting to me. What a what a thought 282 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: to have that your soul might be stolen. And this 283 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: is exactly what hat Man does. And here he was 284 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: beckoning you like that. That is so very disturbing. It 285 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: makes me wonder why people have some of these experiences 286 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: that they do and these understandings so very young. So 287 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: I've got a story I want to share that might 288 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: help bring into an understanding about some of the patterns 289 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: and the things that hat Man does to people. Oh 290 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: this is so disturbing to me because I don't understand 291 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: this invitation thing, this waving of the arm thing. But 292 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: this is a very common path learned with hat Man. 293 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: Come on in. What is that? And the tipping of 294 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: the hat like acknowledging you see you and then come 295 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: this way. How is it inviting? I don't know, but 296 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: it's like, do you if you listen or if you 297 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: tip your hat back? Is that a welcoming for him? 298 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean he's speaking somehow, this is a gesture. It's uh, 299 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: it's just so disturbing. Okay, so this is a story, 300 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: all right. So I was fresh out of college and 301 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: had a roommate, a different one that I wrote the 302 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: book The Secret War. Okay, and uh I was washing dishes, Okay, 303 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: really exciting. I'm way down this very long hallway and 304 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: my roommate this room was I mean it was an 305 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: extraordinarily long hallway inside of a pretty large apartment. So 306 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: I'm pretty far away and uh, washing the dishes hate 307 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: washing dishes not my favorite thing at all. And uh, 308 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. But all of 309 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, I got this very very distinctive alert and 310 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: it was so weird that these words came out of 311 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: my mouth. And I screamed to the roommate as I'm 312 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: sitting there like I'm totally full of soapy water like, 313 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: and I said, what are you thinking? I'm screaming this. 314 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: My hands are are are wet. I don't have anything 315 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: to dry my hands off, and and I just it 316 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: was almost like a robotic thing that just came out 317 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: of me, like what are you thinking? I called their name? 318 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: What are you thinking? And then I'm like, soaking wet. 319 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: I just all of a sudden didn't care that I 320 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: got suns up to my elbows. And I go down 321 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: the hallway and I'm saying it over and over, what 322 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: are you thinking? What are you thinking? I opened up 323 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: their door and they're like, oh MG, I can't believe 324 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: you're saying that out loud. And I'm like what what? Why? 325 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: You know? And I didn't have a reasoning really about 326 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: my saying this out loud the way that I was. 327 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: And my friend goes, oh, I think your friend wants 328 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: you to go to them. I'm like, my friend, what 329 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: are you talking about? And this this is so such 330 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: a strange story. So my roommate was in college and 331 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: was studying in their bedroom on their bed, when all 332 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, a very clear image came in their 333 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: mind of this long, dark alleyway and hat Man at 334 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: the end of the alleyway waving her in. And she's like, Heidi. 335 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, oh, an invitation, like it was 336 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: a friendly gesture, like I I should go, but hold on, 337 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 1: I think this is Heidi's friend. I should really go 338 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: get you. And I was just about to say I 339 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: should really get Heidi, and then you screamed this and 340 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: I heard you, and you kind of snapped me out 341 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: of it, and I was thinking of going to him, 342 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: like I was like, oh my goodness, that is no 343 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: friend of mine. That is no friend of mine. I 344 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: couldn't believe. I mean, this is not a day dream, people, 345 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: this is a person studying very difficult element of studies too, 346 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: and and to have this very vivid image come to 347 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: their mind with an invitation from hat Man. And here's Catherine, 348 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: a toddler seeing a physical image doing the same gesture. 349 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: It's like if you take that first step of curiosity 350 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: or oh yes, of course, that's an invitation that you accepted, 351 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: even if you don't reach them. Right. So knowing him 352 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: unfortunately um and his ways and and how he he 353 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: really is a very observant creature. Okay, and you allowed 354 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: even a smidgeen he is going to take that little smidgen, 355 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: that little pinky toe stepping forward as an invitation. And 356 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: even if you even if you didn't take much like 357 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: it's just a hesitant walk. Oh my gosh. So I 358 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: always wonder what would have happened. And and here's Catherine saying, 359 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: I felt like my soul was going to be stolen 360 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: at some point from a very young age. What is this? 361 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: What is this? We have that old thing about vampires 362 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: and having to invite them to come into your home, right, 363 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: this is kind of like that. He kind of does 364 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: look like uh vampire, right, I mean it's just so stereotypical. 365 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: You would think he'd switch it up and become more 366 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, current with the latest styles. But no, no, no, no, 367 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: he wants you to recognize them. Know that he wants 368 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: you to He waits for you to see him. You know, 369 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: in the first segment, I was mentioning Arlene, she said, 370 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: and I've heard this a bunch of times. She called 371 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: it out and said, hey, I see you, I see 372 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: you hat Man, And he didn't move. But sometimes he'll 373 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: tip his hat or he'll smile. And but unfortunately, there's 374 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: also these other millions of sorts that under hat Man, 375 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: and those come to the surface. And some of these 376 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: folks that I talked to you, like Arlene, and she 377 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: described a lot of different types of circumstances that had 378 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: these creatures coming at her. But here we have Catherine 379 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: who just had this odd instance as a toddler, an 380 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: invitation to a toddler. Think about that, a toddler. Now, 381 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: I know on this show I've mentioned a toddler being 382 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: encouraged to kill themselves. So here's an invitation from hat Man, who, 383 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: let's not forget, says he's the devil. And so have 384 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: many people who have written me say, oh my goodness, 385 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I think that's who I just meant. He's inviting a 386 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: three year old opening up that doorway. And how many 387 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: of us don't recall being a toddler. I'm one of them. 388 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: And what if I had less fear, What if I 389 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: was more bold and just like, oh, there's a guy 390 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: waiting to me. Of course, you know. I'm a friendly kid. 391 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I'll go walk up to you. I'm little. I'm not 392 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: thinking was that invitation accepted even at that young age 393 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: of three? Like this age of innocence that Christians often say, 394 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: there is this protection from God automatically, you know, three 395 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: years old because they don't know any better, right, And 396 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: he is crossing those lines. I remember that he's crossing 397 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: those lines. And Katherine, just to reaffirm that, yes, that vibration. 398 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: We all vibrate at a certain level, and our souls 399 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: due too, and when we go to snap out of 400 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: this body, a different kind of tone hits. So I 401 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: hope this was helpful to you. 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You are listening 442 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 443 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 444 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Today's program is all about you and your experiences. I 445 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: am reading off your emails, and of course if people 446 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: would like to come and be a guest to share 447 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: their experiences, they are more than welcome. But I really 448 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: do like digging into these emails because it gives me 449 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity to pause and think about it and just 450 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: carry on because it's um. It's interesting how people express 451 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: themselves when they take their time too to write about 452 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: whatever it is that they'd like. Because I always welcome 453 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: big emails because it really paints a picture and gives 454 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: us a better opportunity to feel it all out. All right, 455 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: So this next email, it says, dear miss Hollis, that's 456 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: very formal. First of all, I am from Turkey Istanbul. Well, hey, welcome, 457 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: and I will be honest with this one. When I 458 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: saw that in the first line, I stopped and I 459 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: read through it, and I did my best to edit 460 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: and get the best message across of what you were 461 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: meaining in this email, because the next line says, so 462 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I will make some grammar mistakes. It 463 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: wasn't bad. It really wasn't. Just a few things. And 464 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: uh yeah, so all right, continuing and they say, and 465 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: here is my story about hat Man. I saw him 466 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: two or three times. I'm not that sure because I 467 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: don't remember about his hat details. The first time I 468 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: saw him, I was around five or six years old 469 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: or maybe younger when this happened. I saw a shadow 470 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: man with a knife behind the headboard of my bed. 471 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: There was a space behind it. I got scared and 472 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: put the blanket on my face, and then I fell 473 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: asleep or fainted, I'm not sure. You know. I did 474 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: a video some years ago talking about magic blankets. People 475 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: pull up their blankets and all of a sudden like 476 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: that's the end all be all like, And I've heard 477 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: other people who have watched my video talk about magic blankets. 478 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Magic blankets. Yeah, because it's just amazing to me how 479 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: many emails I get people having pulled the blankets up 480 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: over their head and they fall asleep or they faint, 481 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: They don't recall. Are they probably slightly suffocated and blacked out? 482 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: Who knows? Um, I tell you we should totally like 483 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: reproduce these magic blankets, all right, Um, carrying on it, 484 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: says um. The second time I saw him was when 485 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: I was around twelve to thirteen years old. I had 486 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: anxiety back then. I got into a depression when I 487 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: was thirteen to fourteen and I was waking up at 488 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: three am or three thirty am, and I had epilepsy. 489 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: But this happened in the evening. This is when I 490 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: saw him pass through the wall between my parents room 491 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: and my bedroom. He smiled at me, a big smile. Oh, 492 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: I know that smile. His smile and eyes were white, 493 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: but he had an iris and pupils just like a human, 494 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: and his iris was black. I felt different. I wasn't scared. 495 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: I felt curious. I really wanted to learn more about him. Then. 496 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: The third time was about six months ago, when I 497 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. I suddenly woke up and saw 498 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: him in my bedroom, but his face was fully black, 499 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: a shadow. Actually, I don't know about the time because 500 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: I fainted. Oh no, after seeing him. That's understandable that 501 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people do when they see him. I 502 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: don't know if I will see him again, but there 503 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: is something I do know. I feel he is not 504 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: someone who will hurt me. Okay, hold on, you fainted, 505 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: you went into depression, and you wake up at the 506 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: witching hour of three am, but you don't think he's 507 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: going to hurt you. And you saw him with a 508 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: knife behind your bed, but he's not going to hurt you. 509 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm scrolling back and forth. I'm like, I'm I really 510 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: try to reason out these things because I hear these 511 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: things from people, and it's like, well, I wasn't scared, 512 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: and because I was curious, or he didn't harm me, 513 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: or you know, I've gotten used to his presence. I 514 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to hurt me. I think it's okay, 515 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: oh boy, but look at the signs. Look at these signs. 516 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: A knife behind the head of your head hiding. No, 517 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: less wasn't there greeting you. You weren't like ready to 518 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: go and greet people. You're probably in your bed right 519 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: five or six years old. No man, strange man should 520 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: be in your room behind your bed, reel or shadow people, 521 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: reel or hat man reel in the middle of the night. Okay, 522 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: not with a knife especially, and you got scared, pull 523 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: the blankets, all right, and to smile his big grin. No, 524 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: that's that's not a greeting either. Um. And yes, I 525 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: have heard of him having normal eyes. So and there's 526 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: reasons behind that as well. Um. So okay, I'm trying 527 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: to find where where you were, okay, all right, Oh 528 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: my goodness, It's just I don't understand. So you, okay, 529 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: you feel he's not someone who will hurt you. You 530 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: read about him and and and some people said he 531 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: attacked and he had red glowing eyes. Maybe it's his 532 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: evil twin or something. That's funny, or he is a 533 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: time traveler and attacks the people who will do something 534 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: bad later. But I'm sure that he is not a 535 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: demon or something like that. Okay. Now, you passed out 536 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: when you saw him, Okay, and you got curious even 537 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: though he still passed out, Okay, and other people because 538 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: his eyes were red when he attacked them, you feel 539 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: like yours is different because it had white eyes. Okay, 540 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: all right, I'm just I'm listening. Okay, I'm listening. I'm 541 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: just I'm just trying to highlight these parts two for 542 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: everybody that's listening here too, because this is like, it's 543 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: frustrating because I see the pattern and this is just 544 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: not good. It's not good to be welcoming and like 545 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: feeling docile towards him, even because he'll take advantage. He 546 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: really will. Okay, So continuing, Um, I had some bad 547 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: paranormal experiences when I was in a depression, and after 548 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: I remembered about him, these occurrences became less. People say 549 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: that he feeds from fear. I'm that people. I'm the 550 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: one that I'm the one that told people this is 551 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: what he does. Okay, this is me. Other people repeating 552 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: that after the years of me preaching about this. I'm 553 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: glad they got the message. Um yeah, um, he does. 554 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: And think about that what you're saying here in this sentence. 555 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: You had some bad experiences when you were in depression, 556 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: paranormal experiences, no less, and after you remembered him, the 557 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: occurrences reduced. Okay, perhaps because he was responsible and you 558 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: got a good glimpse at him. Now he's up there 559 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: doing the dirty work. I mean, he controls the ones 560 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: that cause other paranormal occurrences, especially if they were bad. 561 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: That's him. Okay, I'm just just putting it out there. Okay, 562 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: and you continue, Maybe he feeds from their fear because 563 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't want bad things to feed from it, and 564 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: he protects you from them. Okay, all right. UM, trying 565 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: to follow that because I felt relieved when I saw 566 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: him the second time. It made me recall that I 567 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: saw him before. So it's like a deja vous of 568 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: terror because you passed out. There's depression and okay, I mean, 569 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: really think about these things that you wrote here. This 570 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: is not a positive pattern. And then you continue to say, 571 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean maybe when I was too young and I 572 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: don't remember it. It's when you saw him before. And 573 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: this is just theory, but I think hat Man might 574 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: be Jack the Ripper. Sincerely, Easy, that's a cool name, um, Easy, 575 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to really really think reasonably with what 576 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: it is that you wrote here. But ah, it's it's 577 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: all spelling bad things, it really is. I've had several 578 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: people say, well, I wasn't afraid, so he must be okay. 579 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: Or he punched my mean dad so he did me 580 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 1: a favor. And but you talk about him with a knife, 581 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: if you talk about the fear and you passed out, 582 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: you think you fainted, and and then you fainted again 583 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 1: when you saw him the other time, and just because 584 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: he jogged your memory of having seen him before. And see, 585 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: that's that thing I've talked about here on this show too, 586 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: because he's kind of like a pedophile who grooms kids 587 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: to be okay with his presence, Like I'm supposed to 588 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: be here behind your bed with a knife. I'm the 589 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: guy that you saw back then, familiar me? Whoop? Did 590 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: I do you know? Like what are we saying here? 591 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: Like why would you get this trigger in you to 592 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: take a step back and be like it's okay, it's okay. 593 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, is that a programming? I mean, 594 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: I am reading your words here and uh, you know, 595 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: to say if he's a time traveler or whatnot. I'm 596 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: going to tell you in the early days, what the 597 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: people would say to me. I mean, everything was was 598 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: really kind of out in the open, and um, I 599 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 1: wasn't talking about these things. I wasn't talking about him 600 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: in particular. I just kept it general with shadow people, 601 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: shadow people, shadow people. But I'll go into detail about that. Um, 602 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: what it is that people felt about this because your 603 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: your email is a little bit more in depth. And 604 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: this is a problem I'm finding with folks that you know, 605 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 1: if you sit in a circle and you whisper something 606 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: in somebody's ear, and you say, pass the story on 607 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,919 Speaker 1: and try to make it as accurate as the original, right, 608 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: and it gets passed around and by the time it 609 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: gets back to you, the story is all goofed up 610 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: and so is information, and people can't follow the story 611 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: to begin with. And I'm finding that's the problem when 612 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: you know, people go and grab your material and run 613 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: with it, and they don't let it get back to 614 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: the original person until it's too late, and the story 615 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: is all goofed and so are you know the evidence 616 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: and the patterns that have been I've been talking about 617 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: forever twenty plus years now, and uh yeah, So let's 618 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: straighten up this story and let's chat a little bit more. 619 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: After the break. 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Just before 666 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: the break, I got a fascinating email from Istanbul Turkey 667 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: from e C and I wanted to talk a little 668 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: bit more about this email because this is a pattern 669 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: that I see with people who we'll have this position 670 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: of I think hat Man is is okay, he's not 671 00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: a demon, and I'm not afraid or whatever it is 672 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: is that gets triggered in people to have the position 673 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: that they do when it comes to hat Man being 674 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,920 Speaker 1: an okay dude, okay um. And I appreciate that ec 675 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: Here took the time two describe the different experiences that 676 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: they had with hat Man because it's important. It helps 677 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: paint the picture and helps me to understand a bit more. 678 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: Um with folks will say, I think hat Man's okay. 679 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't afraid. He walked through my living room. He 680 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: smiled at me, and it's all good, you know. And uh, 681 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: Ec describes first visit there, five or six years old 682 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: and he's hiding behind the bed with a knife. What 683 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: five or six year old deserves to have that experience. 684 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't think that's a great guy, 685 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,240 Speaker 1: even if it was a human guy. A second one, Um, 686 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: they started having a depression anxiety around the age that 687 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 1: they saw hat Man and uh, but there was a 688 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,800 Speaker 1: recognition that helped Ec be able to remember, Oh I 689 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: saw you before. You're the guy with the knife behind 690 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: the bed. That helps me. I don't know how. I 691 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know how, but a point that I was making 692 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: in the prior segment, like like a child predator who 693 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: gets a kid to be okay with the wrong things 694 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: that they are doing, that wrong presence, that that menacing 695 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: predator type of feel It's okay, get comfortable, kids, it's okay, 696 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: it's me, it's uncle hat Man. I hate to say that. 697 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: It makes me feel sick to my stomach. Actually, um, 698 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think he helps to jog the memory 699 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: of some of these kids or adults like to be okay, 700 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: but you know what I have to tell you. It's 701 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: usually kids or young adults that I'm hearing, like when 702 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: there was like this kind of a relationship that was 703 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: formed very young where they're like kind of defensive of 704 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: hat Man. And believe it or not, those children who 705 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,240 Speaker 1: have been abused by adults are kind of defensive because 706 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: when you're innocent and pure, you're you're kind of more loving, like, oh, 707 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: you just put that out there, and and it's like 708 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: a childhood memory like, oh, they didn't cause harm, you know, 709 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: did they? Was that wrong? I mean I loved them, 710 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: their presence was okay. Um, you know this's what hat 711 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: Man is doing. I really do think he's grooming and 712 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: uh and that's not a good position. It's not a 713 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,760 Speaker 1: good position. So yeah, he does feed off from fear 714 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: and he causes it. He feeds off from depression and 715 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: he causes it. You began having anxiety pretty darn young, 716 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: and depression pretty darn young. Not not typical. Okay, that's 717 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: not a typical pattern. And then you had horrible paranormal 718 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: experiences during that time. Think about that, hat Man, And 719 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've been doing this for a long time. 720 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: Hat Man controls the bad paranormal stuff. Okay, those are 721 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: his guys that caused that. So it's like, what do 722 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,800 Speaker 1: you had? Good cop, bad cop type of thing. I 723 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: don't know, Like, boy, those guys are really horrible. But 724 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm here now. It's okay. Remember me when you're five. 725 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: It's okay. And it's like, I'm curious. I'm curious you 726 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: helped jog this memory. I mean, I'm trying to reenact 727 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: what it is that pulled this this this endearing form 728 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: that you've got here. And but Jack the Rippers, one 729 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: of your inclusions about who hat Man is that he's 730 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: not an endearing guy either. But you're you're thinking it's 731 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: not a demon. It was just a evil soul of 732 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: a person, of a killer like Jack the Ripper. Um, 733 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: if I'm understanding you correctly, I just don't think so. 734 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, hat Man is able to walk 735 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: through walls right to kind of blend in with the 736 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,320 Speaker 1: shadows around him and also step out from those shadows 737 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: and have a cane and outfit and uh, you know, teeth, eyes, 738 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: he can change them. They don't always have to be 739 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: the same type of experiences to uh be exhibited at 740 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: the red eyes. He's had yellow eyes, he's had no eyes, 741 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: he's had solid black eyes. He's clean shaven, he has 742 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: a beard sometimes. Now why is this? People are like, well, 743 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, there's more than one hat Man 744 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,720 Speaker 1: or you know what's going on here? Hat Man is growing. Okay, 745 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: he's growing and he's spreading his horrible joy around and 746 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: he's fooling people. Now I'm I'm really concerned. If this 747 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: is a presence that you would be kind of okay 748 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,200 Speaker 1: with because you're curious and you want to learn more, 749 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: don't don't get close to this thing. Don't let your 750 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: guard down. Don't feel okay about this. It's not a demon. 751 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: It's a demon, but it's the worst demon. It's the 752 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: boss of the demons. It's the devil, okay. And something 753 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about in this segment. Oh boy, 754 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,239 Speaker 1: when I was getting in hordes of emails about him 755 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: and what was going on, it just ate me up 756 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: over and over. And when I went to take steps 757 00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,880 Speaker 1: towards talking about this, pulling the stories together, or I 758 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: would get calls from everybody that I knew saying, what 759 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: is going on? It's I know this has something to 760 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: do with you, because I can't sleep, I'm having nightmares, 761 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm having a whole bunch of stuff going on. And 762 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,359 Speaker 1: they wouldn't go into details always, and so I take 763 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,479 Speaker 1: a step back, and then I take another step forward 764 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 1: and it would happen all over again. So for years 765 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: I really wouldn't address him head on. I'd be like 766 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: shadow people, shadow people, shadow people, and I called him 767 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: the hat Man shadow. He is not a shadow being. Okay, yeah, 768 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 1: he could go into the shadows, but he's something a 769 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: lot darker. And when people were writing me about their 770 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: experiences about him, they would always, or I should say, 771 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: often say my goodness, this thing he's he's awful. And 772 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: then they'd asked me who is he? And they would 773 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: often answer the this same question. He's the devil, isn't he? 774 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,839 Speaker 1: So it wasn't me going out saying, hey, guys, it's 775 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: the devil. Um Hatman would tell people he's the devil. 776 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: People would ask him and he'd let them know. He 777 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: would like to brag about it, and uh, strange enough, 778 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: he's now referring to himself as the name I gave 779 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: him as Hatman. He really hates my guts and feelings 780 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: are mutual. I've worked hard for that hate. Um. I 781 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 1: don't try to tempt him, but I really don't care 782 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: how angry he gets at me, because it just lets 783 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: me know I'm doing the right thing. And I'm telling 784 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: you easy that this is bad news. And I really 785 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: hope that you do the right thing and protecting yourself 786 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: against this, because the longer you allow his presence to 787 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 1: be there, the worst it's going to be for you, unfortunately. 788 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: And so whatever it is that you feel is representing 789 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 1: of God, bless your home, bless your space. Try to 790 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: be in the light of things. And uh, you know, 791 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,919 Speaker 1: if hat man is okay with that type of thing, 792 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: then he'll be welcome to walk around your house, right, 793 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: but I bet you you bless that space. It's going 794 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more difficult for him to 795 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: move around. But you know, try it out. Say in 796 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,760 Speaker 1: God's name, you know you're not welcome here if you're 797 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,800 Speaker 1: anything evil and see if that stops his approach. Okay, 798 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,840 Speaker 1: see if that changes anything. And I warrant anybody who's 799 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: dealing with anything that you didn't personally open up the 800 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: door and say, hey, come on in at three o'clock 801 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 1: or whatever it is and have a seat, let's have 802 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: a conversation. If you didn't openly invite like that for 803 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,960 Speaker 1: this thing to get comfortable with you, then I would 804 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: say it is not supposed to be there and coming 805 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 1: around at three am in the morning, having that kind 806 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 1: of thing going on where you're feeling uncomfortable and you're 807 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 1: waking up and having bad experiences, getting depressed and anxiety 808 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,279 Speaker 1: at such a young age really really a pattern of 809 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: bad news. So I hope you see that this is 810 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: helpful for for you, and I'm hopeful that it's going 811 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,439 Speaker 1: to help other people who are seeing and experiencing hat 812 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: Man in a similar way. And wonder look at the patterns. 813 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,879 Speaker 1: Wonder about why would he have a knife, why would 814 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: he come into my room I'm five years old? Why 815 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: would he do these certain things? So be analytical about it. 816 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: I understand you might not get scared with his presence, 817 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: but his presence is not a good one to have. 818 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 1: It's not an angel in disguise. It's not just a 819 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,720 Speaker 1: bad soul of a person who used to murder people, 820 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: which is not good to have around either. But he's 821 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 1: a lot darker and he's meeting the world. So Jack 822 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: the Ripper meeting the world, how is he doing that? 823 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: This is a lot deeper and darker, So please be 824 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: safe and do what is necessary to uninvite him to 825 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: cleanse your area. And uh, don't be fooled. Don't be fooled, Okay, 826 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 1: and um yeah, so again, I welcome anybody who's experienced 827 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,840 Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary. I sure would like some 828 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:40,760 Speaker 1: more angel stories or Jesus stories versus the demons, but hey, 829 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,480 Speaker 1: I welcome it all. And I know a lot of 830 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: people do not cover these topics, and uh, because it's 831 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: the topics that I put out there, and I've been 832 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: working hard to put out the right message. So it's 833 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: a little disheartening when people are pretty much just repeating 834 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: and then missing some elements that are really important and 835 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 1: it's causing harms. So, you know, I hope that this 836 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: was helpful, and I hope this was an important show, 837 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,839 Speaker 1: as I feel all of them are. So again, go 838 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com 839 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 1: and you have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with 840 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,080 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 841 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: to Coast a M Paranormal podcast Network. We'll see you 842 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 1: next time. Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well. If you like 843 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait til you hear 844 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 1: the next one. You've been listening to the I Heart 845 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network