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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. I think I can speak for all

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Speaker 1: of us. We're in a much better mood today than

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Speaker 1: out to the Seattle Seahawks. On today's show, we'll lay

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Speaker 1: out the Cardinals path of the playoffs. It's a very

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Speaker 1: simple scenario. We do need to discuss what happened on

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode three seventy nine and it

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Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolew

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday,

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Speaker 1: Visit asy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to

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Speaker 1: you talking about a punch to the gut MG, a

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Speaker 1: even though it is New Year's a little bit different

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Speaker 1: I think seven teams have clinched a playoff spot. Okay,

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Speaker 1: seven teams, some divisions, some just clinched, you know, based

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Speaker 1: on records. Some are still trying to get a you know,

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Speaker 1: one or two or three seed. But yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: they would flex it out. But at the end, when

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Speaker 1: I hear about Jerik Goff and then the other options

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Speaker 1: were with Pittsburgh in Cleveland, I believe so. But the

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Speaker 1: problem with the Cardinals Rams is because the Rams could

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Speaker 1: get in if the Bears loss, and that that game

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Speaker 1: was earlier than the Rams would know going into Sunday

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Speaker 1: night football. Hey we're in. Let's not play a Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: Let's do a pitch count on certain players. So I

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Speaker 1: think that at the end of the day was why

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Rams did not get moved to that spot on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: But also in people are wondering why is the game

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Speaker 1: on CBS. Well it started a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: It's called cross flexing. The Cardinals played on CBS prior

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Speaker 1: this year, So that tells me CBS said we're going

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Speaker 1: to protect that game or we're sending our number one

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Speaker 1: crew there. That's how CBS valued it. It is going

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of fun to talk about all

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Speaker 1: week long. And then there was this scenario as well,

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Speaker 1: and we'll throw this out and at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, it doesn't matter until we get to Sunday

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Speaker 1: and perhaps postgame on Cardinal Talk. But there is a

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Speaker 1: way not only for the Cardinals to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but get as high as the sixth seed. Mark Dalton,

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Speaker 1: Senior VP of Media Relations, put together a nice graphic

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Speaker 1: on social media and you can follow mister Dalton on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at cards Mark d. If the Cardinals win and

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Speaker 1: the Packers beat the Bears, then the Cardinals will be

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Speaker 1: the sixth seed and play a wild card game at

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Speaker 1: either Seattle or New Orleans. If the Cardinals win and

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Speaker 1: the Bears upset the Packers, then the Cardinals will be

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Speaker 1: the seven seed and play either at Seattle, New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: So you're looking at Cardinals, Rams and Bears all trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out positioning. But the bottom line, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, winn and you're in and then

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Speaker 1: worry about where you have to travel and at that

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Speaker 1: point just be happy that you're traveling. Somewhere and playing

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Speaker 1: the game post January third. Yeah, and this would be

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Speaker 1: a you know success. I know that if they don't win,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna finish eight and eight and you're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at and go, well, there was five and two and

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Speaker 1: six and three. But to qualify in the second year

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Speaker 1: of a you know, a head coach and Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: because Craig once we get to the postseason, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start naming these head coaches and coordinators on granted, you

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Speaker 1: know Matt Lafleur's he walked into a franchise quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 1: you look at some of these, uh you know, Bruce

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Speaker 1: arians gets a Hall of Famer. You know, Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: and Drew Brees have been together forever. You look at

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Now, Brian Schottenheimer's done a good job. Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: I mean you got some Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: If they get in Buffalo with you know, so you're

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Speaker 1: gonna run into some different quarterbacks. But you know the

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Speaker 1: thing is, the whole idea is just to get in.

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Speaker 1: But they go eight and eight, and you know where

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Speaker 1: you had an opportunity to win your one of your

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Speaker 1: last two games, if not both, I think that would

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Speaker 1: be a downer. You get into playoffs and say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, that's progress, and we know the numbers reflected.

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Speaker 1: It's just the inconsistency throughout the course of the year,

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Speaker 1: and it's been you know, I was thinking about it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We can go back to Detroit, Carolina, New England. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the Rams first game, which wasn't closed, but for the

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Speaker 1: most part they've been in games. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: about finishing and being more consistent. But I do think

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Speaker 1: it's progress. If you get to nine and seven, considering

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Speaker 1: the only one eight games last and we could see

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Speaker 1: with our eyes and it's I mean again, at some

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Speaker 1: point you got to start, you know, getting into nine

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Speaker 1: or ten wins. But to me, it's progress. But if

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Speaker 1: you go eight night and you miss the playoffs, I

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Speaker 1: think people they're going to be disappointed. It's it's about

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Speaker 1: one game in the perception of nine and seven or

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Speaker 1: eight and eight, and you end the regular season with

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Speaker 1: back to back losses, or you end the season what

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Speaker 1: they win against your arch nemesis. If you will, you

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Speaker 1: slay the beast, you stand up to the bully and

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Speaker 1: knock him down, and that would be the Rams. That's

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are looking at this week when they

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Speaker 1: traveled to Los Angeles again to twenty five kickoff all

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Speaker 1: the coverage on the Arizona Cardinals Radio network nine thirty am.

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Speaker 1: Pregame coverage begins. Television Jim Nance Tony Romo on CBS.

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Speaker 1: So a lot to like about how this is setting

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Speaker 1: up in week seventeen. Yeah, we don't get a chance

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Speaker 1: to listen to I mean a lot of games obviously

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Speaker 1: here at the stadium, Homer Away early early. You do

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Speaker 1: watch it when you're waiting for your time to go

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Speaker 1: on and everything. But you know there's there's primetime games

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Speaker 1: maybe that start earlier and you get a chance to

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Speaker 1: watch that CBS National Game of the week. But everything

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Speaker 1: you hear about Roman, I have listened to them on

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Speaker 1: you know, other games when the Cardinals were playing that

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Speaker 1: weekend or but it's it's a fun listen. I know

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Speaker 1: that you know people sometimes, but he can call the

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Speaker 1: game out. So it'd be interesting to see you you know,

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Speaker 1: what he thinks of Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray and

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Speaker 1: what are they see him? Because you're going to get

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Speaker 1: a former quarterback now and not that Troy Aikman doesn't

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Speaker 1: do it, because Troy Kman over the years, he's very critical.

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Speaker 1: He was very critical a Jerikoff and you know a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago he's critical of just uh it

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Speaker 1: was the Dallas football team. And he can do that.

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Speaker 1: But it'd be interesting the listener. Romo kind of critiqued

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Speaker 1: this Cardinal offense based on the film and what he

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Speaker 1: knows from a former quarterbacks position against this Rams defense.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be fascinating. Listen. I really do to

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Speaker 1: twenty five again, Bird Gang. Listen on the radio and

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Speaker 1: have the TV on with Jim Nance and Tony Romo,

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Speaker 1: or of course do what we do, and that is

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Speaker 1: you watch the game either later that day or the

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Speaker 1: next day to try to get a better advantage point

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Speaker 1: at least when we are watching it on television and

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Speaker 1: listening to the radio broadcast. Bird Gang. If you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: update to the latest version of the Cardinals mobile app today.

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Speaker 1: The update features an all new redesign a homescreen experience.

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Speaker 1: Visit as Cardinals dot Com slash app for more. So

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Speaker 1: I'm Jim. I'm not sure if you saw this or not,

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Speaker 1: but our boss. Tim Delanney, vice President of Broadcasting and

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Speaker 1: Digital Content, I thought, had a great tweet this morning,

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Speaker 1: very early in the morning, and he asked the Bird

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Speaker 1: Gang this simple question via Twitter. We shanked our drive

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Speaker 1: on the eighteenth hole, but if we stick our approach

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Speaker 1: two feet from the pin and sync the put, all

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Speaker 1: is good. Right. And the only thing that I would

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Speaker 1: add to this MJ when he talks about shanking our drive,

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Speaker 1: which would be the loss of the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: I would add this based off what I saw in

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Speaker 1: person on Saturday at State Farm Stadium. Not only did

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Speaker 1: the team shank the drive, but it landed in the water.

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Speaker 1: So I'm still trying to process exactly what I saw,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure I've done a very good job

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Speaker 1: wrapping my arms around it. The one word that comes

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Speaker 1: to mind is disbelief. I still don't understand how a

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Speaker 1: Cardinals team was so much on the line against a

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Speaker 1: team that was depleted, starting its third string quarterback and

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Speaker 1: undrafted running back, and you only score twelve points against

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Speaker 1: the defense that was missing half a dozen starters at

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Speaker 1: least or role players. And you'll lose twenty to twelve,

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Speaker 1: and you were gifted several chances, especially in the second half,

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Speaker 1: because Robbie Gould did something that he hadn't done flight

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Speaker 1: in forever, missing two field goals plus a pat I

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Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't understand it. I know it's

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Speaker 1: hard immediately after ball games for the head coach or

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Speaker 1: players to kind of put an explanation on it. I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard one that makes any sense or gives me

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Speaker 1: any makes me feel any better by what I saw.

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Speaker 1: It's just not disappointing. It's disheartening, and it leaves you

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Speaker 1: a lot to be desired going into this game against

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. Yeah, And the only thing is

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Speaker 1: we can ask the questions and you can try to

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Speaker 1: connect the dots and you know, things that you hear

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Speaker 1: and see and look and based on the players interviews,

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Speaker 1: and you know that their approach after that three game

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Speaker 1: losing streak was you know, taking it one game at

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Speaker 1: a time. And you know, I'm out there for the

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Speaker 1: twenty first twenty minutes of practice and I feel like

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Speaker 1: they're you know, they're energized, and I don't see them

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Speaker 1: just you know, walking out there to last second. They're

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Speaker 1: out there early waiting for the music to start going. Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess. And you know the biggest one of the

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Speaker 1: I think the top three things we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about an off season is they play down to their

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Speaker 1: talent sometimes and you can't do that. It's the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We've seen upsets over the last couple of weeks and

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Speaker 1: teams that you just look what the Jets are doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's seasons over, but they're still playing

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Speaker 1: hard and you know, they probably know that the head

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Speaker 1: coach you can get fired, and who's the quarterback next year.

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Speaker 1: It's just disappointing from a standpoint of this team. They

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Speaker 1: here's what I think. They have a lot of talent

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Speaker 1: on this team. Okay, everyone has talent. Every team is

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Speaker 1: good in the NFL. It's just there. You have better

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Speaker 1: players at certain positions and it Eagles more wins. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like the Cardinals they have the talent to

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Speaker 1: put together, you know, a good game plan and play

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes of football, but it seems like it's about

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Speaker 1: more individuals than a team aspect. And again, I just

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Speaker 1: they got they gotta come together as a team. And

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Speaker 1: here we are talking about this in week seven ten.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying you could see it. But it's like as

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Speaker 1: everyone in can everyone say, can I do more? And

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Speaker 1: you know you got to have your money players play better.

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Speaker 1: You know, Buddha Baker, you know he's a great player,

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Speaker 1: but I need to see more from him. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's again, he's on the field, he's playing a ton

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Speaker 1: of snaps and I know teams are avoiding him, but

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Speaker 1: I want to see the five star players. You know,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson obviously you know he didn't get picked on

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Speaker 1: in that game, but you know, the team's only had

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Speaker 1: one turnover on defense in the last two games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have turned the ball over and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna win that. So I just want I

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Speaker 1: just want these guys to you know, play as a team.

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Speaker 1: And when I say this, they have enough talent, But

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to see individual stats. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I talk about Kyler Murray and you know,

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Speaker 1: the first quarterback in the NFL seven thousand yeards. That's

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Speaker 1: all great, but what about the team aspect, you know,

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Speaker 1: picking up those third downs and you know, playing for

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Speaker 1: each other. And I'm not saying that there's just any discourse.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it just seems like you guys are

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Speaker 1: playing as individuals sometimes and you got to play as

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Speaker 1: a team. And hopefully they figured that part out. But

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Speaker 1: it's not like I just figured this part out. They've

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Speaker 1: had talent all year. But I just think at point time,

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Speaker 1: at certain points, it's about individual stats and that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be the case. Individuals don't win ball games. Teams win

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Speaker 1: ball games. You can't do it by yourself. It's not

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Speaker 1: like the NBA where one guy can carry a team

641
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: on his back. That's just not possible. In the National

642
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: Football League. You need help on both sides of the balls,

643
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: plus special teams. I did thought to find it interesting

644
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: because I thought Christian Kirk summed it up the bests

645
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: and this doesn't make me feel any better, but it

646
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: is something that we have all been thinking about twenty

647
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: twenty with respects to how this up and down season

648
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: has gone. Get off to a good start and then

649
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: you'll lose back to back games. Then you go on

650
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: a three game winning streak, and then you'll lose to Miami,

651
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: and then you drop three in a row. After an

652
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: unbelievable game against Buffalo, and then now all of a sudden,

653
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: you're back on the losing side after back to back

654
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: wins against the Giants and Eagles. Here's what Christian Kirk

655
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: had to say postgame quote, It's kind of been the

656
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: story of most of our losses this year. We know

657
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: how good we can be when we play at our best,

658
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: and today was just one of those days where we

659
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: just didn't play to the caliber of football that we

660
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: know we can play at and we let one slip

661
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: end quote. The only thing I would add again, this

662
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: wasn't letting one slip. They've left several slip this season,

663
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: and I would count four that they let slip this

664
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Speaker 1: season as far as games Detroit Carolina, New England forty

665
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: nine ers four games right there that this team was

666
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: certainly more talented in and for whatever reason, they felt

667
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: that they could just show up and play, and that

668
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: is not getting the job done in the national football

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00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: You cannot do that. You can't just go and play

670
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: and think well better than them will eventually figure it out. Now,

671
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: figure it out once the ball is kicked off. And

672
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: I don't think this team has that killer instinct. If

673
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you will in them right now, I would agree with that.

674
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point, and you think they

675
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: would have learned from the Carolina game. You know, Detroit,

676
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: you know you went against Matthew Stafford, but Carolina, Kylee

677
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: is the one to use the word flat. Okay, So

678
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: it's not like we're making up words. The New England game,

679
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: we all knew that the cam was not gonna throw

680
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: that ball and it couldn't tackle them, and then they

681
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: get the layd hit. But when fans hear that, they're like,

682
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: how could this happen? You're playing a game and you're

683
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: well paid, you're playing a game that you grew up

684
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: and but the thing is, we got to keep in

685
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: mind they're human, they're not robots. But when fans hear

686
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: that in the media, go, why does that happen? You

687
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: know it's at stake. I mean, I don't know what

688
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: the analogy is, but you think, but I watched the NFL.

689
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: You watch it, Craig, I mean it happens. I mean,

690
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: but you always have one dud every year, and maybe

691
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: that was Carolina, but that was a dud. And you know,

692
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: you get late in the year, I think, you know,

693
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: you start looking at things. Why is this still happening,

694
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: but you know it's there. They're in their second year

695
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: in the system. They've made major progress. But you know,

696
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: let's see if they can give into the postseason, because

697
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: I think that would be something that you know, we

698
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: didn't predict early. You know, I think everyone thought they

699
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: could be the surprise team and the sleeper team, and

700
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: who really said they're going to make the playoffs consider

701
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: the division they played in. Yeah, that's a good point.

702
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: And you always want to learn from past mistakes so

703
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: you're not repeating. And I think the last lesson that

704
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: this team needs to learn is that you have to

705
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: be there. You have to bring it each and every week.

706
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: You should have done it after you got humbled at

707
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Carolina and you did for three games, and that Miami

708
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: game coming off to buy that turned out to be

709
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: a pretty good at a very good Miami Dolphins team,

710
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: so that one doesn't bother me. And then losing that

711
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: Seattle that's on the road at CenturyLink Field, that's always tough.

712
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: So for me, that one doesn't bother me. It's the

713
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: New England game. It should not have happened. You should

714
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: have learned from your mistakes and your problems against Detroit

715
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: and Carolina at New England and you definitely should have

716
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: kept the ball rolling and made it three straight wins

717
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers on Saturday, and it just

718
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Yeah, I like what you said. You know,

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Speaker 1: usually when you get a lead, you want to step

720
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: on their throat and put them away, and they haven't

721
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: been able to do that. But I totally agree with you.

722
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: You say killer instinct. You know, again, just because you

723
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: have talent, you got to go out there and play.

724
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, games won the trenches. I mean when we

725
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: talk about scopeful slayers so much, but it's really blocking

726
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: and tackling and executing. And you know, m cliff sett

727
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: he probably could have called a better game that to

728
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: me is subjective better execution. But again, the Niners wanted

729
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: it more. And that's to me the frustrating part when

730
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: you're a Cardinals team trying to you're playing for something

731
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: and they're playing for pride. I mean, obviously, guys, there's

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00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: you know we talk about when when you get to

733
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: the last month of the season, you know the eye

734
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: and this guy doesn't lie. You better, you better be

735
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: playing hard for something, and you wouldn't fault those guys

736
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we were on the road for Christmas,

737
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: we've been in Arizona for the last three weeks. We're

738
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: just going to play the string out. But they had

739
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: gotten beat the week before, and you know, Dallas put

740
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: forty one on them, and that wasn't all in the defense.

741
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: They had some special teams in a defensive touchdown. So

742
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't like the Niners gave up forty one points,

743
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: but as a team they did so. And you know,

744
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: let's be honest, they're the defensive coordinger, Robert Salo Saila,

745
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know, got got that team

746
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: to play hard. They were they were missing some starters,

747
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: so it's unfortunate, but it's just appointing that at this

748
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: point in the year, which you're still talking about going

749
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: out there and putting your foot on the pedal and

750
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: having that killer instinct, Cardinals only had three hundred and

751
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: fifty yards of total offense. Kyler Murray two hundred and

752
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: forty seven yards passing seventy five yards rushing DeAndre Hopkins

753
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: had eight catches for just forty eight yards, and Kenyan Drake,

754
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: you're leading rusher from a running back standpoint, just forty

755
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: five yards and a touchdown, and I know a lot

756
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: of it. People look at defensive shortcomings and getting teams

757
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: off the field, and yeah, the ram or excuse me,

758
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers did run for two hundred and

759
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: twenty seven yards. That certainly cannot happen, and that I

760
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: think was the frustrating partal And just how easily forty

761
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: nine or running backs including CJ. Bethard had room to

762
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: run and gain ten, twelve, fifteen, eighteen yards on the

763
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: ground and sometimes untouched. But I'll always go back to

764
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: the offense because this is an offensive driven league. You

765
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: have to be able to score more than twelve points.

766
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: And against the forty nine ers defense that really didn't

767
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: have much of anything outside of a Fred Warner. He was,

768
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, a Pro Bowl player and a very good player.

769
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I mean there are big names.

770
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: They were all watching from a suite near us up

771
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: in the press box. That is correct, and that again

772
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: that goes down to the disappointment and in the the letdown.

773
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: But you know what, from a from a cardinal standpoint, um,

774
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: you got to focus on the rams, now, you know

775
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just to a point where this

776
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: is your whole season. I mean, but every year you

777
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: can go back and look at certain games, and this

778
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: is gonna one we're gonna look back at. And you know,

779
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: the beauty is they control their own destiny and they

780
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: kind of been in this position for a while and

781
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: it looked bleak on Saturday night just from a standpoint art.

782
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: You know, now the question becomes, are they a playoff team? Well,

783
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: if they win on Sunday, then they are, and then

784
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: we can have a different conversation. But I think it's

785
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: fair to ask that question right now. Is this team

786
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: a playoff team? They're certainly not playing like a playoff team.

787
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: They're not playing like they want to be a playoff

788
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: team and want to play and do January and talking

789
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: mid January. So to that point, they're answering that question

790
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: just by what we saw on Saturday, and we know

791
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: perception is they haven't played up to Park. You win

792
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: this game against a team you haven't beaten since they've

793
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: had Sean McVeigh, and now you're in the playoffs again,

794
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: it softens the blow a little bit. So this, I mean,

795
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: who would have thought week seventeen. You're always hoping to

796
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: be in a position meaningful football in the month of December.

797
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: But it's not like they have to win and get help.

798
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: You win and you're in, you lose, you go home.

799
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: So everything that's transpired, they still have a chance to

800
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: get to the postseason. You can erase a lot of

801
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: wrongs by going out and showing that you want this.

802
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about everyone, coaches, players, staff, I'll include

803
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: ourselves here on Cardinals cover too, because at the end

804
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: of the day, what is going to be remembered most

805
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: is what you did most recently, and that will carry

806
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: you into the offseason. You lose, and we're all talking

807
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: about what happened and how you let a golden opportunity

808
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: slip through your fingertips. You win, and then all of

809
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, what happened It just becomes you bottle it

810
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: all together, and then all of a sudden, it becomes hey,

811
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: nine wins, winning season playoffs for the first time in

812
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Yeah, there were some stumbling blocks and some

813
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: bad moments, but you know what, they overcame that, so

814
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: you right, You're exactly right. Sixty minutes is the difference

815
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: between a great offseason and looking over to twenty twenty

816
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: one and looking back at twenty twenty, going what's wrong,

817
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: and there'll be questions, can this team move forward with head, coach, quarterback,

818
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: defensive players. The questions will be much different if the

819
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: outcome is not what the Cardinals want and that is

820
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: a win on Sunday. Yeah, and every team does it,

821
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: but the teams that you know, miss out on one

822
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: game to make the playoffs, it's always what if. And

823
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Carolina, We'll talk about Detroit, we'll talk

824
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: about the New England game, the forty nine Ers game.

825
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: But it's just to me, it's kind of mind boggling

826
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: that one game can change the perception of this entire season.

827
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: By getting into nine wins and getting into the playoffs

828
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: again eight and eight. It seems like a disappointment when

829
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: you were five and two and six and three. Well said,

830
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Honday, proud

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arrows, in a Cardinal Cardinals and Rams.

833
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about it all week long because right

834
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: now it is the only thing that matters here in

835
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, when we're talking about the Arizona Cardinals special

836
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Speaker 1: thanks as always to our executive producer Jim I'm one

837
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Speaker 1: hundred for Mike Jarecki. I'm preg Riel Loup. We'll talk

838
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Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.