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Speaker 1: Welcome to Behind the Police, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Police of Behind the Bastard's

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Speaker 1: special mini series about you know, the police in America, Uh,

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Speaker 1: some of the most persistent bastards in our nation's long

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Speaker 1: and bastardful history. I'm Robert Evans Uh, the host and

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Speaker 1: the the researcher and the writer. And my guest today

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Speaker 1: is Jason Petty, better known as hip hop artist propaganda

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Speaker 1: prop How are you doing today? What out? What up?

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Speaker 1: What up? Socially and emotionally prepared for this train Did

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Speaker 1: you like how professional my introduction was? That was some

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Speaker 1: NPR ship. Here's the thing, bro, like you're you are

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Speaker 1: unmatched in intros and transitions. There's nothing like this. I

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Speaker 1: want to be the voice. I want to retrain yourself

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Speaker 1: talk voice and just cont tendue to say you nailed

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Speaker 1: it even when you didn't, just even when I didn't. Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I will continue to point out when you suck it

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Speaker 1: up and praise you when you don't. Like now, wonderful intro, Robert,

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Speaker 1: very professional, Thank you, Thank you, way better than that

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Speaker 1: time I just shouted Hitler. That was That was a

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Speaker 1: train wreck. Yeah, I know what to do with that one.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever walked by like a wall of chords

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Speaker 1: and just felt the need like I'm going especially like

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Speaker 1: that stage somewhere in festivals. Yes, no, or like I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna yank them all out. It's gonna happen, And it's

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Speaker 1: like I'm holding my hand away, like I I can't

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Speaker 1: be backstage. I'm an a yank one of these out.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that was like you and like the

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Speaker 1: Hitler thing to where you're just like, yeah, don't say it,

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Speaker 1: don't say it, don't say it. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: want to say yeah. Because you can't script an introduction, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the first rule of of of broadcast as

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Speaker 1: you can never script an intro. So we're left with

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Speaker 1: me winging it so prop Yesterday we talked about the

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Speaker 1: origins of American policing with a focus on like the

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Speaker 1: slave patrols, and that is the thing like online since

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Speaker 1: kind of this whole uprising against the police began, that's

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Speaker 1: the thing everyone's been focusing on that, like police came

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Speaker 1: out of slave patrols, and that is very true for

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Speaker 1: a huge chunk of American policing. Today, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the other chunk because it was not just slave patrols,

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Speaker 1: because a sizeable chunk of American policing came out of

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Speaker 1: a desire to suppress folks number one that we today

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Speaker 1: would call white, but at the time kind of the

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Speaker 1: people with money didn't really consider to be white. Um.

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Speaker 1: But also more than anything, it came out of a

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Speaker 1: desire to police labor, like the working class. So today

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Speaker 1: we're going to kind of hit that other side of

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Speaker 1: the of the where cops come from, uh divide, um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is there's a lesson in intersectionality, guys, right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and like all good lessons and intersectionality it comes

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Speaker 1: from it includes uh, people being racist when that's directly

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Speaker 1: in the opposition to their needs and an actual benefit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a deep seated oppression, yeah, and an oppression that's taken

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Speaker 1: advantage of by the ruling class in order to continue

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Speaker 1: to Yeah yeah yeah. And we're going up norf to

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Speaker 1: you know they free up there, you know, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: lord yeah, yeah, the North, the North. I mean it

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Speaker 1: was better than the Confederacy. But that's like saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like vomiting in the toilet is better than vomiting on

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Speaker 1: your friends floor, which like yes, but it's both are

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Speaker 1: non ideal strict Yeah. So, um, you may not know this,

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Speaker 1: but President John Fitzgerald Kennedy designated the week of May

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Speaker 1: fifteen to be National Police Week. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: celebrated it this year. Yeah, I was like, I never

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Speaker 1: heard that. Yeah, it must have missed that one. Um.

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Speaker 1: During his speech announcing this, he stated that police officers

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Speaker 1: had been protecting Americans since the birth of the United States. Now,

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Speaker 1: we of course know this is untrue. First formal police

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Speaker 1: protecting people. Now. One of the inciting incidents that led

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Speaker 1: to the creation of the Boston Police, who again that's

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Speaker 1: the first police department, was the Broad Street Riot. And

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Speaker 1: the basic story of the Broad Street Riot is that

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Speaker 1: a funeral procession of Irish immigrants in eighteen thirty seven

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Speaker 1: And obviously, like now, I think most people just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I got like, yo, that's the that's just the other

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Speaker 1: going to take secret pope orders? Oh yeah, And the

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Speaker 1: news flash to every Protestant was like, you know, we

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Speaker 1: but we was all Catholic you know. Yeah, uh, it

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Speaker 1: just like Jesus would call him. Yes, he was a

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Speaker 1: big fan of burning and looting. Just burning, you know,

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Speaker 1: you turned it. He was like, hey, he flipped over

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Speaker 1: the tables. He clipped over the temple tables. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: those weren't like his homies tables anyway. Yeah. And what

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Speaker 1: he didn't, he say, burned the other cheeks something like that,

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Speaker 1: So I may be missing. Yeah yeah, so yeah, very

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Speaker 1: very taking their religion seriously here. Um So, in decades

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Speaker 1: the commonwealth shifted the burden for protecting capital off of

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Speaker 1: not a manner of public safety. Um, the broad street

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Speaker 1: was just in the Seattle autonomous zone or whatever you

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Speaker 1: like public spirit is the primary manner of social control there.

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Speaker 1: There's no centralized organization, there's no like even mass kind

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Speaker 1: is kind of a broad public spirit of like what

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Speaker 1: if we don't have cops here? Right, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the ideal idea. Um And that was kind of the

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Speaker 1: the terrence and rewards. Yeah it's scans. Yeah, Yeah, it's scans.

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Speaker 1: So gradually, yeah, it keeps scans. And I was also

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Speaker 1: I hate the very principle of what I'm about to say. Sure,

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Speaker 1: it's true anyhow. Uh, I absolutely love like the Irish

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just your normal slang, like old ball back,

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Speaker 1: That's a strod um fam and that's what you refer

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Speaker 1: and we don't like that, and you're a bad mayor,

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Speaker 1: and everyone just got to like yell at the mayor.

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Speaker 1: And that's how it ought to be with all elected officials.

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Speaker 1: They should have to stand in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: It's it's like, yes, every elected official should have to

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Speaker 1: just dive bar where you have to feel the heat. Dude.

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Speaker 1: My first few years of touring like the heat of

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Speaker 1: disk I'm not It's just it's just not the same. Like,

428
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: let it not be the same, you know. Yeah, it's

429
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: okay that different groups suffer in different ways. It's even

430
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: in the same place that Yeah, we we can, we can.

431
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: We can explore the ways in which the suffering is

432
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: unique and also the ways in which it has common

433
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: roots of origin without conflating thing. I'm not going to

434
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: play the oppression Olympics. Like, that's what I'm not going

435
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: to do, not playing the oppression Olympics anyway. Yeah. Um,

436
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about how police departments developed out

437
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: of the desire for the capital holding classes to publicly

438
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: fund the protection of their ship, but also the increasing

439
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: populations and racial mixtures of American cities had a big

440
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: impact on it too. Race riots became increasingly common in

441
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: the eighteen thirties and forties as long as well as

442
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: other riots. There were just a shipload of riots in

443
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: this period of time, and all this unrest helps set

444
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: old the growing middle class on the idea of police departments.

445
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: Policing also opered offered an opportunity for non white groups

446
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: of white people like the Irish to gradually gain social acceptance.

447
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: The first Irish policeman in the United States is generally

448
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: believed to be have been a Bostonian dude named Barney mcginniskan,

449
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: which is an incredibly wow Barney mcginniskans. It's like they

450
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: made him in a lab at cartoon. Yeah. So Barney

451
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: mcginniskan was hired in eighteen fifty one, and a local

452
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: alderman was infuriated by this on the grounds that it

453
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: would create a dangerous precedent irishman. He continued commit most

454
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: of the city's crime and would receive special consideration from

455
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: one of their own wearing the blue Now. Mcginniskan's career

456
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: lasted only three years when the nationalist, anti Catholic No

457
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Nothing Party took over the Massachusetts legislature. The Irish would

458
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: not make major inroads into northern police departments until their

459
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: population grew large enough that the Democratic Party realized they

460
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: could guarantee Irishes by giving irishman jobs on police departments.

461
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: And that's why there's kind of a stereotype of the

462
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: Irish police officer today. Like the Patty wagon went from

463
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: being a wagon that you throw Irish people onto on

464
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: their way to jail because they're all criminals to just

465
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: like a term for a cop car because all cops

466
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: are Irish like that. That that change happened over the course,

467
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: and it was kind of it wasn't the only thing

468
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: that had to do with this, but it was kind

469
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: of a part of Irish people sort of becoming white,

470
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, as they kind of take up positions helping

471
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: to enforce the social order and stop being kind of

472
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: on the fringes of it. Yeah, that's the thing that

473
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: has rebellion type stuff. Okay. Yeah, So one thing all

474
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: scholars seemed to agree on is that these early police

475
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: departments were uniformly corrupt and violent. Local police party ward leaders,

476
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: who were like local politicians in charge of neighborhoods and

477
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: ship tended to appoint the police officers in charge of

478
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: their neighborhoods. In society being what it was back then,

479
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: these ward leaders often also owned the local cavern and

480
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: ran the local gambling prostitution rackets. So if you were

481
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: like if people like the equivalent of like a local

482
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: like senator or whatever, or an alderman or some ship

483
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: city council member, you would also own the bar in

484
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: your area, and you would run like the prostitution and

485
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: gambling rackets, and you would also run the police. Like

486
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it worked, and so everybody was

487
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of gang bosses. Yeah, gang yes, yeah,

488
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's not that different from the

489
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: way the ancient rome worked too, to be honest, like

490
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: pretty similar. Yeah. Yeah. So these ward leaders controlled both

491
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: the police and the gangs um and both the police

492
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: and gangs mostly of local youths who would help organize

493
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: voter drives and would intimidate people into making the right

494
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: choices on voting day. The first police departments then were

495
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: just one of several violent tools available to these early

496
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: political bosses in the big cities of the north and

497
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the middle of the country. It

498
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: wasn't really the middle. It would have been like the

499
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: fringe at that point. But like whatever, you get what

500
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we get it. Yeah. Police salaries were also

501
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: augmented by bribes paid by the owners of illegal businesses.

502
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote again from Dr Gary Potter here,

503
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: in the system of ice, organized violence and political corruption,

504
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: it is inconceivable that the police could be anything but corrupt.

505
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: Police systematically took payoffs to allow i legal drinking, gambling,

506
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: and prostitution. Police organized professional criminals like thieves and pickpockets,

507
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: trading immunity for bribes or information. They actively participated in

508
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: vote buying and ballot box stuffing. Loyal political operatives became

509
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: police officers. They had no discernible qualifications for policing and

510
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: little if any training in policing. Promotions within the police

511
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: departments were sold, not earned, police drink while on patrol.

512
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: They protected their patrons vice operations, and they were equipped

513
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: to use peremptory force. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all scans, scans. Yeah.

514
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: What's funny to me as two is like when you

515
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: from the street level. Part of the like outrage is

516
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: when that cop all of a sudden, just one day,

517
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: decides to ag like an upright citizen. Yeah, you know,

518
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: and and so if if you know, it's like any

519
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: other relationship to where it's like, Okay, you and your brother,

520
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: your little sister, like you're all scumbags, you're all stealing,

521
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: you're all you're all sneaking out, and then one day

522
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: your brother goes, you know, mom, Robert's been sneaking out

523
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: all week, You're like, what the so you serious? Are

524
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: you serious? Bro? Like, what are you talking about? You

525
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: know why I snuck out to steal you some weed?

526
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So like, yeah, anyway, So

527
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: it's like when you when you look at it from

528
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: that perspective, like why somebody would in turn being like, man,

529
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: you know what, I ain't got no time and I

530
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: got no mercy for y'all. Don't treat you no different

531
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: than anybody else, is because you don't act no different

532
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: than anybody else. Yeah, it's fucking uh yeah, it is

533
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: weird that like in this period to most people would

534
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: have looked at like a dude who was like a

535
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: fucking a pimp or uh yeah, like as the same

536
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: way they would a cop, Like you guys are two

537
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: sides of the same fucking coin. Yes, and then the

538
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: yeah this and we'll talk in a later episode we

539
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: will get to sort of the media operation that was

540
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: kind of helped to form what are what up Until

541
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: very recently, we're sort of the modern kind of mainstream

542
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: consensus on police officers as like upstanding members of the

543
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: community and ship um. But like, yeah, for a very

544
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: long time, they were just seen as another kind of thug, like,

545
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: yeah they're gay, Yeah, they're gay. Yeah. Now. Samuel Walker,

546
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: a professor and expert on the history of police accountability,

547
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: says that during this period, municipal police were used as

548
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: delegated vigilantes by the empowered classes of the new United States.

549
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: That's an interesting term. Now. They were men entrusted with

550
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: power by those in power to use violence against again,

551
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: the dangerous classes who were seen as fundamentally criminal. Interestingly enough,

552
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: Walker seems to believe this idea of having delegated vigilantes

553
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: grew into a central aspect of American identity. Quote, many

554
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: of the worst abuses of official criminal justice agencies represent

555
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: a form of delegated vigilantism. The public has tended to condone,

556
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: if not encourage, police brutality directed against the outcasts of society,

557
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: or the mistreatment of inmates in penal institutions. So this

558
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: thing that we all recognize, I think I don't have

559
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: to go into detail about this idea that like we

560
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: should have delegated vigilantes. It's okay if we have people

561
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: we all agree should be fucked up, that some people

562
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: go fuck them up. Like this really central aspect of

563
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: American culture starts in this period with this idea of

564
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: like the police as delegated vigilantes to damage the dangerous classes. Wow, yeah,

565
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: you know. And then yeah, it's the idea of like

566
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: something built in its like in the very construction of

567
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: the concept, like it's alts as. Compare this too, when

568
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: you try to tell somebody that, like, hey, your story

569
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: about like the founding of our nation wasn't It's not

570
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: as like pretty as you think it was. Just you

571
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, When you try to like start,

572
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: you're missing some paragraphs. Guys. It's like how earth shattering,

573
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: and just like I have to reconstruct reality. So like

574
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: so when you so when you fast forward and we go, no,

575
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: most of your most of our founding fathers slave owners,

576
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: they weren't. They were not at all Christians. I don't

577
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: know where you get this founding on Christian thing from.

578
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like that's earth shattering. So

579
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I think like like this one, this this series is

580
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna be that for people. When you're they're just like, well,

581
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: then is the sky blue? Can I trust my eyes

582
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: with my hands? And like like the weird this is

583
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: multiverse level reality shattering for people. You know what I'm saying,

584
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: when you go back as far as you go on. Yeah, yeah,

585
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: I hope. So, I mean it's it's pretty it's interesting.

586
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because like if you, if you,

587
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: if you really sort of like dig into this idea

588
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: of delegated vigilantism. Um, it's kind of a central thing

589
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: that Americans believe in. Um. You you You're You're led

590
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: to some uncomfortable kind of patterns or pathways of thought

591
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: because like so one of the most popular methods used

592
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: today even to justify the violence of the police is

593
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: the supposed criminality or deviance of the people that the

594
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: police are victimizing. Um. And I it's interesting to me

595
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: that you can draw you really can't draw a direct

596
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: line between the delegated vigilantism that started in the eighteen

597
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: hundreds fucking Batman and the right wing reaction to the

598
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: murder of Trayvon Martin. Yeah, like, yeah, who he's a hero.

599
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean it was the guy I shouldn't been back

600
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: there anyway. Yeah, it's exactly. Oh my god, it's Batman's Batman.

601
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I never thought of it because I'm always like, because

602
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm more of the trailer. Like I'm the seventeen year

603
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: odkay with a bag of skittles, cut in through a backyard,

604
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, just trying to get home.

605
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: So my dad is the man, you know what I'm saying.

606
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: And if some dude is like following me, my thought

607
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: is I better beat this fool to a pulp because

608
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: it's scary, because I just don't want to, you know

609
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like I never thought of it

610
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: as like, oh, this fool thinks he's Batman. Damn, this

611
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: fool thinks he's the fucking he's the vigilante hero that

612
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna check the city from scum

613
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: gum shoes. It's the same, Oh my gosh, Yeah, it's white.

614
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Fucking cops have punish your patches on their fucking cars,

615
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: and it's white. All sorts of people are fucking punished.

616
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Like it's it's this core, very core, even maybe even

617
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: more core than this, like nebulous love of freedom that

618
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: we have is like this. There should be people who

619
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: beat the funk out of people I think are bad.

620
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: Like it's just an origin story DNA strand, Okay, want

621
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: to take an advert real quick. Yeah, you know, who

622
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: won't beat the funk out of people who don't deserve

623
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: it and placed desire for vigilante justice. These disembodied products

624
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: that are keeping the lights on kind of constitutionally incapable

625
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: of of violence as as products. Yes, on autonomously, that's

626
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: not the word I'm looking for. Ontologically, that's not the word.

627
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. Okay, we're done, We're rolling

628
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: some ads, yes, all right, and we are returned. So

629
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: the system of American policing would have its next major

630
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: evolution in the late eighteen hundreds as a result of

631
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: the growing like union movements, So obviously like the late

632
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds is kind of the period in which Americans

633
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: really start to unionize. There had been unions in the

634
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: United States. I think the first one was seventeen seventy eight,

635
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: but their existence had been fairly scattered and of kind

636
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: of minimal consequence until eighteen sixties six, when the National

637
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: Labor Union formed to convince Congress to limit the workday

638
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: for federal workers to eight hours. For the eighteen eighties,

639
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: union membership had spread widely across the private sector, and

640
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: union strikes were constant across the big cities of the North.

641
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: From eighteen eighty to nineteen hundred, New York had more

642
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: than five thousand strikes involving more than a million workers.

643
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Chicago had seventeen hundred and thirty seven, and I think

644
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: more than half a million workers. So I called these strikes,

645
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: and I think modern historians call these strikes, and modern

646
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: people would recognize them as strikes. But at the time, politicians,

647
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: business owners, and like the wealthy classes called them riots. Uh,

648
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: And they turned there's still fairly new police departments to

649
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: the task of breaking up these riots. They turn. Yeah, yeah,

650
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: that's the where riot police starts. Like all these people

651
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: don't want to work more than eight hours a day,

652
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: better have the cops beat the ship, like kyo yah man.

653
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: I before I did music full time, like I taught

654
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: high school for a todd ninth graders, you know, and uh,

655
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: I just knew instinctually, you know, I was a young teacher.

656
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: You know. I'm like before I thought neither, I thought seniors.

657
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm four years older than you. So

658
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like I'm not gonna send you to

659
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: the office, Like that's stupid. Like I'm not gonna try

660
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: to act like some sort of boss here. I just

661
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: figured it was real simple. I performed better for teachers.

662
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I liked, yeah, it's just that simple. So I'm just like, yeah,

663
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: so I just felt like this, you know, my best

664
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: the best way to have classroom management is if these

665
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: kids like you. Yeah, it's the It's the thing that

666
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: I said that made so much sense when I was

667
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: in Rojava in Northeast Syria, which is the idea that

668
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: like kind of the basic the stuff that we would

669
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: consider like the core of law enforcement is like patrolling

670
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: around a neighborhood making sure ship's fine. Like that's often

671
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: done by like local counsels heavily made up of like

672
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: old folks like fucking grandma and stuff, because like, yeah,

673
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to be acting

674
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: like a fucking piece of ship in front of your grandma,

675
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Like grandma, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, straighten up,

676
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: fly right, Grandma, come around the corner. You know. So yeah,

677
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: that's that's the prince. So I just I've never understood

678
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: how the boss and I mean I got I got

679
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: like an assistant and you know, management and stuff like that.

680
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: Those people on my payroll, and I just never like,

681
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: why would they work? Why would I who want to

682
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: work for somebody they don't like? Yeah, you know what

683
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, so if you just if you run

684
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: things like I just it just seems so logical to

685
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: me that you it's like two for bag security purpose.

686
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Even if I'm just go that like, I'm just trying

687
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: to secure this bag. I feel like my employees should

688
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: feel like I like them. Yeah. Maybe that's why I'm

689
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: not a kajillionaire, because yeah, there's something I don't get

690
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: caring about what people think. Yeah, man, I'll never account

691
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: being accountable to feeling like I don't have to be

692
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: the smartest guy in the room all the time. That's

693
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: why I hired an accountant, because you better needing this

694
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: shout out to my accountant to thank you, Sean. So right,

695
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: yeah again, So riot police kind of get started to

696
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: break up these fucking um these these what what are

697
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: essentially strikes are definitely strikes um. And you know, this

698
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: was a really good deal for the owners of businesses

699
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: because since the police departments were now funded by the state,

700
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: they got to break up strikes against their businesses without

701
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: spending you know, their own money to do it, and,

702
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: as Dr Potter notes, the use of delegated vigil anties

703
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: to break up strikes confused the issue of workers rights

704
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: with the issue of crime. So people might be sympathetic

705
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: towards workers who are striking for a better deal, but

706
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: they're not sympathetic towards criminals who are rioting. So you

707
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: frame a strike as a riot, then you have a

708
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: freer hand and just beat the ship out of everybody involved.

709
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: These they're just thugs. They had drugs on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

710
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: definitely got it. So early police broke up strikes in

711
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: the same way we're familiar with riot cops breaking at

712
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: protests today unspeakable violence. But they all had subtler methods

713
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: of achieving the same end. Public order arrests, which were

714
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: essentially police declaring someone's behavior a crime for a non

715
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: specific reason and then arresting them. These gave police a

716
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: way to break up union meanings and gatherings before they

717
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: could turn into strikes. In Chicago during this period, eight

718
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: percent of all arrests were public order arrests of workers.

719
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so the infraction is y'all standing around, Yeah, yeah, exactly,

720
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the okay, Yeah you're loitering. Yeah,

721
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: you just know you're going to jail. Yeah, allowed to

722
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: stand here? Yeah. Again. You can make some comparisons to

723
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: all the states that put in curfews and then suddenly

724
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: said now it's illegal to be out after five, So

725
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: if you're out after five, we can funk you up.

726
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Did you see it once? I forget. I think there

727
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: was a few of them out here in California. One

728
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: of the one of the cities was like, things you

729
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: can do after the curfew, go to the store, go

730
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: to the groceries, pick up your children, being stuck in traffic.

731
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: Things you can't do after after curfew, gather in large

732
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: groups in front of city hall. Yeah. I was just like, oh, work, okay.

733
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, really like, oh we're okay, too much free

734
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: speech going on here. You gotta stop that ship. Yeah,

735
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: carry cardboard signs you can't do after got it? Yeah yeah, yeah,

736
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: great first amendment we have. So between eighteen seventy and

737
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: nineteen hundred, nearly a million workers were jailed for public

738
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: order offenses and just Chicago. Now, a lot of cities

739
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: also made use of what we're called tramp acts. These

740
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: criminalized traveling without having a visible means of support. So

741
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: if you were moving around in the city or the

742
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: world and you didn't weren't you didn't have money, clearly

743
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: like you didn't clearly have a job, Um, you were

744
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: committing a crime. So in other words, it was illegal

745
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of cities to be an unemployed, poor

746
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: person who left their home. So when workers would go

747
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: on strike and would lose their jobs for going on strike,

748
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: they were then breaking the law because they were out

749
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: side in the city and doing something besides looking for

750
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: a new job. What the I know, right, Land of

751
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: the Free, Like maybe serious? How good? Lord? Pretty good?

752
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Yeah? And again like the arrests are of

753
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: these people. So if you're talking about, like the police

754
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: protecting people, who are they protecting? Who are they serving?

755
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: It's not most of the people anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Tramp

756
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: acts were of course not applied to members of the

757
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: middle class or wealthy individuals. It was only illegal to

758
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: be out and not laboring if you are a member

759
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: of the dangerous classes. Meanwhile, good citizens, respectable citizens, these

760
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: were all regular terms used, which again we're all kind

761
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: of terms for fully white citizens with money and property. Yeah,

762
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: these people were increasingly able, rather than being increasingly suppressed

763
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: by the police. Those folks were increasingly able to call

764
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: on the police when they felt uncomfortable or afraid. The

765
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: very first alarm boxes were set up in major cities

766
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: during this period of time, and these were similar to

767
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: the dedicate you know in like on a college campus

768
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: there will be like very well lit like police phones

769
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: that like, you know, presumably if you're getting sexually assaulted

770
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: or something, you'd like run over to it and call

771
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: the cops. Um. This this was the same basic idea, um,

772
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: and they were set up started being set it up

773
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: in cities in this area, particularly in like parts of

774
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: cities where they were like businesses and you know, upper

775
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: upper income housing and stuff. Um. And but they were locked,

776
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: so you couldn't most people couldn't actually use the alarm boxes,

777
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: but local businessmen and wealthy people were all given keys

778
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: because the police existed to be their on call personal security.

779
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: She oh my gosh, like just all allowed in the open. Yeah. Yeah,

780
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of not a lot of i

781
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: don't know, masks on it and stuff, so it doesn't

782
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: even seem convenient. I'm like, if I'm not if I'm rich,

783
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: and I'm being robbed. You think I got time to

784
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: like figure out which key to this is. Yeah, And

785
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that was mostly them being robbed. I

786
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: think they would see like, oh, there's a bunch of

787
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: fucking Italians hanging out in this corner. I'd better get

788
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: the cops over here to kick their asses, Like I don't.

789
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't want Italians on my street corner, like they're

790
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: caring ing, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all there's

791
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: more than one of them, must be a gang. So yeah.

792
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: Thanks to the advances of technology that allowed alarm boxes

793
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: to exist, property owners were able to call on the

794
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: police department, which was funded by everyone's taxes, in order

795
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: to protect their private wealth and increasingly just to kind

796
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: of protect their sense of comfort. So policing tools developed

797
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: with the need to break up strikes and riots. Patrol

798
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: wagons began taking to the streets. This allowed police to

799
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: easily travel in large groups and easily arrest large groups

800
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: of people. Police on horseback also started to appear, because

801
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: horses were seen as the most effective way to break

802
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: up a group of protesters. Officers began carrying long night

803
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: sticks because breaking an activist skulls was an increasing part

804
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: of their job. Yeah. Throughout the later half of the

805
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, early police departments were faced with the of

806
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: whether or not officers should be uniformed and given firearms.

807
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: Sir Peel, the father of police work, the guy who

808
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: created the London Metropolitan Police, was pretty stringently against cops

809
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: packing heat. American police, though, began carrying guns independently by

810
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: virtue of arming themselves years before such equipment became standard.

811
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: So decades really before police departments are giving everyone a gun.

812
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: Cops are just kind of buying their own guns because

813
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: it is America. Yeah, and you know what, you're right,

814
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: it's effective if it's just like it's like drinking again,

815
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: it's like drinking bleach y. Yeah, i mean it'll cure.

816
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: I mean I'm pretty sure it'll. You will. Yeah, you

817
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: won't die from coronavirus. You if you drink enough bleach.

818
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: If you drink enough bleach. Just like, you know what,

819
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: if you really want to send everybody home, you know what,

820
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: you're right, beat the ship at him with billy clubs

821
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: and guns. You're right, that will end the protest. So

822
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: the US police departments first started a kind of like

823
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: in an organized way issuing arms to police and like

824
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: the eighteen forties, um, and when this started to happen,

825
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: the American public was extremely skeptical of the idea because again,

826
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: we are a freedom loving people, and the idea that

827
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: police would be allowed to deploy deadly force at will

828
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: against citizens was extremely unpopular. At first, people are like,

829
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: what the funk are you talking about? You? Like, again,

830
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: these people, we all understand, these people are basically the

831
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: same as thugs. And you want to you want to pay,

832
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: have the state pay for them to have guns. Now, Like,

833
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: that's not a great idea. Yeah, yeah, But, as Dr

834
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Gary Potter writes, quote, the value of armed paramilitary presence

835
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: authorized to use indeed deadly force served the interests of

836
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: local economic elites, who had wanted organized police departments in

837
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: the first place. The presence of a paramilitary force occupying

838
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: the streets was regarded as essential because such organizations intervened

839
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: between the property and elites and property less masses, who

840
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: were regarded as politically dangerous as a class. Now, these

841
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: propertied classes also considered it essential that police be uniformed

842
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: so that actable citizens could identify them when they needed help,

843
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: and so that they would create an obvious, visible presence

844
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: to clamp down on unrest by the dangerous classes. Now again,

845
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: uniforms would appear kind of scatter shot in different police departments,

846
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: and not for never for all of the police, but

847
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: for like some units and stuff would be uniformed for

848
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: a period of time. Many officers resisted uniforms because again

849
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: they're basically criminals, and it made them into a target.

850
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: The very first like uniformly uniformed, like everybody wears a uniform,

851
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: and that's that's part of the definition of what this

852
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: this group is. The very first police force for that

853
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: to be standard in was the Pennsylvania State Police. This

854
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: is in the United States at least, so the Pennsylvania

855
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: State Police the first explicitly fully uniformed police force we

856
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: have in this country. Now. The Pennsylvania State Police were

857
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: formed in nineteen o three in the wake of the

858
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: Great Anthracite Coal Strike of nineteen o two. For reference,

859
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the strikers were fighting for a pay increase, a reduction

860
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: from ten to eight hours a day in their work day,

861
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: and a fairer system for weighing coal. This strike caused

862
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: the price of coal to skyrocket right as winter hit,

863
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: which put enormous pressure on the state government and on

864
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: the federal government to put Pennsylvania's minds back to work,

865
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: because Pennsylvania's like the fucking the coal basket. Um. Yeah,

866
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: So the Great Anthracite Coal Strikers were opposed by a

867
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: mix of Pinkerton's who were essentially a mercenary police force.

868
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about him a bit later, and the

869
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: Coal and Iron Police. Now, the Coal and Iron Police

870
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: was a five thousand man army run by the coal

871
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: companies in Pennsylvania but empowered and funded by the State

872
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania to basically do whatever they had to do

873
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: to break strikes. This generally involved terrific violence, and over

874
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: the course of the Great Anthracite Coal Strike, the Coal

875
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: and Iron Police gunned several people down. But the strikers

876
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: were able to put pressure on mine owners for a

877
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three straight days, and they eventually gained,

878
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, modest concessions, and they didn't get a raise

879
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: in an eight hour work day, but they got a

880
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: ten percent raise in a nine hour work day, so

881
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, take what you can. Yeah, this was okay.

882
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: Now I was gonna ask the question, but I answered

883
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: it myself. I mixed it with like I thought maybe

884
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: that was like the railway company guy that like started

885
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: a city and had a Yeah, that's something else. Okay,

886
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: never mind that is happening during this period, you know

887
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: you're having and that the coal and iron police are

888
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, like they're these communities are

889
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: all miners and using state partially ely state funds, the

890
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: mine companies establish a police department to keep their minds

891
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: in order and really to keep their workers from striking.

892
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: So the Pennsylvania State Police was established after the Great

893
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: Anthracite Coal Strike or Anthracite Strike or whatever, because the

894
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: state was governed by mine owners and their friends and

895
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: the state wanted a dedicated paramilitary unit to violently suppress

896
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: future strikes. The coal and iron police weren't good enough

897
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: at their jobs, so this is where we get the

898
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: first uniformed police department in US history. Is specifically, like,

899
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: we didn't kill enough people last time. We needed like

900
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: a force that can really funk with people who go

901
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: on strike. So in our last episode, we discussed the

902
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: fact that police departments in the American South of all

903
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: out of slave patrols, which were essentially a counter insurgency force.

904
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: That similar evolution at least occurred elsewhere in the United States,

905
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: even outside of the South. In eighteen ninety eight, the

906
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: United States went to war with Spain, one of the

907
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: least justified wars in our long history of unjustified wars.

908
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: But because Spain was at the time also a terrible

909
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: colonialist empire, the US wound up fighting them for control

910
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: of the Philippines. Now Spain had controlled that massive islands

911
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: quite brutally, and the US continued this tradition, murdering as

912
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: many as two thousand civilians battling the insurgency that followed

913
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: our occupation of the Philippines. Much of this murdering was

914
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: done by the Philippine Constabulary, the occupation force our government

915
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: put in place over those islands. And back in the

916
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: United States, the Pennsylvania State Police were formed directly an

917
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: imitation of the Philippine Constabulary. So, yeah, the the and

918
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: this is still the state police in Pennsylvania today. They

919
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: started out as people looking at Okay, you remember when

920
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: we killed we committed that quasi genocide in the Philippines.

921
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: What if we take all of that advice use it

922
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: to make the Pennsylvania State police and have them sunk

923
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: up anyone who goes on strike. That's where the Pennsylvania

924
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: State Police come from. What the okay god, Like, oh yeah,

925
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: so Pennsylvania residence. The next time you see a Pennsylvania

926
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: State Police car, be like, hey, man, granddad's an asshole anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

927
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: So the Pennsylvania State Police were formed as an all white,

928
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: all native meaning you know, born in the United States force.

929
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: So that's what you mean by native. Yeah, exactly, white

930
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: people born in the US, as opposed to white people

931
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: who immigrated here, right, Like that's what they mean. Yeah, okay, buddy. Yeah.

932
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: So the singular purpose of the Pennsylvania State Police was

933
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: to break the strikes that increasingly popped up in Pennsylvania's

934
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: coal fields near the turn of the century. Mine workers

935
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: tended to be a mix of Irish, German, and Eastern

936
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: European immigrants. A lot of checks were in this kind

937
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: of like mining population. Also lot of Russians and kind

938
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: of people we don't call Russians today, but we're Russians

939
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: back then because Russian was bigger um and it was

940
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: only logical to the rich white mine owners and their

941
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: friends in government that the same tactics that worked on

942
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: undesirable races in Southeast Asia would also work on undesirable

943
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: races right here in the United States. It was seen

944
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: as critically important then to stop the Pennsylvania State Police

945
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: from developing any kind of rapport from the people they controlled.

946
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: The state police lived in special barracks is outside of

947
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: the mining towns, and this was done to avoid any

948
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of social intermingling. The only time these people should

949
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: see the folks that were policing is when they were

950
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: cracking their fucking skulls the road horses to allow them

951
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: to more effectively trample strikers. In nineteen o six, five

952
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: thousand Windburg, Pennsylvania miners went on strike against their employer,

953
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: the Berwin White Coal Mining Company. Berwin White was anti union,

954
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: and the largely Slovak miners of Windbur wanted to join

955
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: the United Mine Workers of America. The Pennsylvania Police responded

956
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: by writing into town, murdering three adult miners and one

957
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: young boy, by firing while lee into crowds, and brutally

958
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: trampling anyone who fell down, and letters home to their families.

959
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: The immigrant miners referred to the Pennsylvania State Police as Cossacks.

960
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Do you know what the Cossacks were? I mean, they're

961
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: still around, Like, where have I heard that word? It's

962
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: um it's an ethnic group in Russia. But it was

963
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: during the period of the Czar. These were like basically

964
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: kind of like these tribes of horse mounted warriors who

965
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: the Tsar used as his shock troopers. Primarily like they

966
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: fought in wars, but like their biggest job was fucking

967
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: up riots and protests and comedics and genocide occasionally. Yeah.

968
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: So these people who are like used to the Czar

969
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: sending in his Cossacks when there's unrest to murder people.

970
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: They come to the US and they see the Pennsylvania

971
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: police murdering them and they're like, oh, these are like

972
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: the same fucking things as the Czar's shock troopers. Yeah. Yeah.

973
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: The risk you know, coming across the whole ocean before

974
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: airplanes just to get this what do we even doing?

975
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: Like it was different here? Yeah yeah, I'm like, yo,

976
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: this saying like the five will American you know American

977
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: tale story I thought was I thought there was no

978
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: cats in America? You know what I'm saying. This supposed

979
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: to be when we get here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all

980
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: came by choice. So that's the part where I'm just like,

981
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: why didn't y'all look at each other and be like,

982
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, this was a bad call. Beer's

983
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: worse too, beers. So on a related note, while doing

984
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: my research, I came across a January article in the

985
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Post Gazette about the Pennsylvania State Police. In case

986
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: you're curious about how the Pennsylvania State Police is doing

987
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: to day, this article points out that in two thousand two,

988
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: following a New Jersey scandal over state troopers engaging in

989
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: racial profiling, the Pennsylvania State Police began collecting racial data

990
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: on their traffic stops and sending it to the University

991
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati for analysis and to its credit. To their credit,

992
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: the data revealed that the Pennsylvania State Police were not

993
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: exhibiting any racial bias and who they pulled over, so

994
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: that's nice. However, the data did show that they were

995
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: exhibiting hell of bias when it came to who they searched.

996
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: Troopers were two to three times as likely to search

997
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: black or Hispanic drivers as white drivers, even though black

998
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: and Hispanic drivers were vastly less likely to have contraband

999
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: on their persons than white drivers. Now and again, this

1000
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: is pretty true across the nation, but it was specifically

1001
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: true for the Pennsylvania State Police. They're like three times

1002
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: it's likely to search you if you're black or Hispanic,

1003
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: but white people are the ones actually bringing all the

1004
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: drugs in. So when this data was made public, the

1005
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Police ended their relationship with the University of

1006
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: Cincinnati because the University of Cincinnati show that they were

1007
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: being racist as hell. Uh. And the Pennsylvania State Police

1008
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: is now the largest of only eleven statewide law enforcement

1009
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: agencies in the nation who do not collect racial data

1010
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: during stops. Wow, so that's good, good on you. Okay,

1011
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: there it is Pennsylvania State Police. Yeah, if I can,

1012
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: if I can draw some logical like ties with this one,

1013
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, why black and brown people are less

1014
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: likely to have contraband on them is because we more

1015
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: likely to be searched. That's just as reels. It's real simple,

1016
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, so we're not gonna have

1017
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: it on us. Also, and and I a little a

1018
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: little tangent on this, but like your and it's so

1019
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: crazy that like it's it's all out of this fear

1020
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: of these you know, this dangerous class. But like the

1021
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: truth is, we're probably not gonna rob that Chad or

1022
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: Tyler or Hunter or Karen because the police will come

1023
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: if we rob you. So the truth is you're actually

1024
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: more safe than the rest of us because because if

1025
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: if one of us die, if one of us get robbed,

1026
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: please don't care, you understand I'm saying. But but I

1027
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: know the police come in if if Karen has issues.

1028
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: So it's such a like this like this this bias

1029
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: that like is just a reality of our life, you know.

1030
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: In some ways, again, I get how it's worked. If

1031
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: we're talking sheer pragmatism in favor for this white ruling class,

1032
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: which is why we called it privilege. If you can't

1033
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: follow along, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's but

1034
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's but it's privileged, but not how you

1035
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: think it's. Like, it's it's different. It's not it's not

1036
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: the way you set it up for. Yeah, yeah, it's

1037
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: this thing. It's like there was that video going around

1038
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: of I don't know a week or so ago and

1039
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: maybe a wee get into the protests when like those

1040
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: I think it was in l A. This like big

1041
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: group of like white people all like recited a thing

1042
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: renouncing their white privilege, and I'm like, it doesn't work

1043
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: like that. You can't just it's guys. Thanks, Like yeah,

1044
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel good. But like now, if you

1045
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: were to get rid of the l A p D,

1046
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: then you actually have reduced your white privilege. That's that's

1047
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: a step then you have. Yeah, I'm like you could

1048
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: just like use it for good, you know, Like there's

1049
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: that I'm saying. Yeah, it's so funny. It's like we're

1050
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: like man, some some some somebody somebody's and it sucks

1051
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: to say it because I'm like I am deeply and

1052
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: intimately involved with and love white progressive circles. I am involved.

1053
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: These are my friends in my family, you know what

1054
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Um, But it's so funny to watch them

1055
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: like simultaneously do the most and nothing at all at

1056
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: the same time, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's

1057
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: such a such a grand statement to be like I'm

1058
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: denouncing my privilege, but that literally does nothing for me.

1059
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: So like it's like it's it's I can't It's like

1060
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what to tell you

1061
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: guys like I just just you know, treatus fairly and

1062
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: help was to fund the police, that's all. Like, you know,

1063
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta what fun you were wearing a kintake

1064
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: cloth for, Like, just make some good laws, makes some

1065
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: good laws. Just makes some good laws or remove bad

1066
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: ones either helps, just just one of the things. Yeah,

1067
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it. I see you're we're here,

1068
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: we're listening. I see it. Can you just like make

1069
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: some laws though, you know, unfuncked the funks a little bit? Yeah, anyway, Yeah,

1070
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: that feels like a good note to take a break on.

1071
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, speaking of unfucking the funcknus. You know

1072
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 1: what what fuck the funcknus? More is these product We're

1073
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: back and we're talking about talking about for good. And

1074
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: one way you can use your privilege to good for

1075
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: good is I don't know, if you're listening and you

1076
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: happen to have purple heart plates and you have a

1077
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: bunch of friends who have to drive substances somewhere, maybe

1078
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: you ought to be the one driving the substances because

1079
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: the police aren't going to give a shit about you.

1080
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying, Yeah, veterans

1081
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: for drug smuggling, is that, yes, yes, record that, like,

1082
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go hard. I'm not trying to

1083
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: go hard at my wife progressives like I appreciate something

1084
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: to cast. It's just I just want to say that, Okay,

1085
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: this is fun day. So yeah, It's worth considering within

1086
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: the broader context of the development of US law enforcement

1087
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: that the cops did not always site enthusiastically when cap

1088
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: with capital when it came to struggles over labor. We

1089
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: previously did a two part episode on the Battle of

1090
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: Blair Mountain, which was a massive coal strike that ended

1091
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: it in an enormous, pitched battle that included aerial bombardment,

1092
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: machine guns, and thousands of combatants on both sides. One

1093
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: of the great Union heroes of that whole mess was

1094
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Sheriff Sid Hatfield, who gunned down several mercenaries from the

1095
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: Baldwin Felts Detective Agencies. Many strikes did take place in

1096
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: small communities out in the middle of nowhere, and law

1097
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: enforcement in those places was much more kind of rooted

1098
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: in public spirit, these old attitudes of what law enforcement

1099
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: should be than kind of the new attitudes about law enforcement,

1100
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: and in those cases, you know, cops who were sort

1101
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: of like elected or brought up within the community and

1102
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: felt like a part of it, and the community was

1103
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: all union law enforcement would regularly side with the strikers

1104
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: in those situations, or it would at least feel too

1105
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: frightened of their neighbors to enthusiastically back the mind companies.

1106
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: And this was enough of a problem. This wasn't everywhere,

1107
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: but it was enough of a problem that, starting in

1108
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies, capitalists also began using private police as

1109
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: strike breakers with increasing frequency, and no private police agency

1110
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: did a better jop of this than the Pinkerton's. You

1111
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: know about the Pinkerton's. We're talking some Pinkerton's. Now, I

1112
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: do know about the Pinkers. Yeah, we're talking about some

1113
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: motherfucking Pinkerton's. She's. Yeah, we're gonna have to do a

1114
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: whole two partner probably in the Pinkerton's at some point.

1115
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: But but you can't talk about the history of US

1116
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: law enforcement talking about some motherfucking Pinkerton's. Yes, yeah, the

1117
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: cock sucking Pinkerton's to pull pull from fucking deadwood. Yum,

1118
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: So here it goes Alan Pinkerton was born in Glasgow, Scotland,

1119
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: in eighteen nineteen. His father was a policeman of the

1120
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: for profit freelance variety, and he was killed on the job.

1121
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: So Alan grew up dirt poor, laboring from an early

1122
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: age to help keep his family fed. He became an

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: activist in his youth, agitating for democratic reform in Great Britain,

1124
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: and he was violenced by the state for speaking out

1125
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: against it. By eighteen forty two, he had been forced

1126
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: to flee the country with his wife. The pair wound

1127
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: up living in Dundee, Illinois, and Alan set up a

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01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: barrel making business. In eighteen forty seven, twenty year old

1129
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: Allan Pinkerton traveled out to an uninhabited island to look

1130
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: for wood that he could make into more barrels, because

1131
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: that was his thing. He found a campsite there, and

1132
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: the camp site was abandoned but clearly fresh. And because

1133
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: he was a born and bred cop, this guy was

1134
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: like kind of in his fucking bones a cop, Alan

1135
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: decided not to mind his own damn business. He returned

1136
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: to that night and hid nearby until the camp's occupants,

1137
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: a group of counterfeiters, returned. Alan instantly went to the

1138
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: sheriff and reported them and the gang was arrested. So

1139
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: not my kind of dude, but like fundamentally a cop,

1140
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: like emotionally a cop. So ounterfeitting was a massive problem

1141
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: for business owners in the early United States, and the

1142
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: local merchants made Pinkerton into a hero for busting this group.

1143
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: He started getting offers to investigate other crimes, and very

1144
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: quickly Allan Pinkerton had become the go to man for

1145
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: busting counterfeit coin operations in Illinois. He was soon deputized

1146
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: by the sheriff of Kane County, Illinois, and in eighteen

1147
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 1: forty nine he became the city of Chicago's first full

1148
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: time detective. By eighteen fifty, Allen founded Pinkerton's Detective Agency.

1149
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: In less than twenty years, it had expanded to include

1150
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: branches in New York and Philadelphia. Allen quickly expanded outside

1151
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: of just detective work. He created Pinkerton's Protective Police Patrol,

1152
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: a group of uniformed night watchmen that local businesses could

1153
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: hire to protect their shops. Pinkerton Men, some of whom

1154
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: were women, also acted as undercover cops, often feeding information

1155
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: on criminal syndicates directly to regular police. The Pinkerton's grew

1156
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: to become a legendary force in the Old West, helping

1157
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: to hunt down criminals like Jesse James. And there is

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01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: some moral complexity years. This isn't an easy story because

1159
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: while Alan Pinkerton was absolutely just a total fucking cop,

1160
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: he was also a really staunch and consistent abolitionist. Part

1161
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: of what drew him to hunt down Jesse James was

1162
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: the fact that James had been an enthusiastic Confederate soldier. Pinkerton, meanwhile,

1163
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: had worked for the Underground Railroad and had helped to

1164
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: guard Abraham Lincoln. But even when Pinkerton targets were clearly

1165
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: bad people like James, their methods were often still unaccountably brutal.

1166
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: The Pinkerton Agency actually rated Jesse James's house. It was

1167
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: basically like a no knock raid that they carried out,

1168
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: and they fucked up and attacked during a time when

1169
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: James was not present, and instead, during the raid they

1170
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: blew off his mother's arm and murdered his eight and

1171
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: a half year old younger brother. Um like, yeah, this, this this,

1172
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: this is a fucking no knock right. Yeah, So again,

1173
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: even when they picked the right bad guys. They wound

1174
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: up murdering an eight year old. She's not great, not great.

1175
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: So later in life, Alan Pinkerton hit upon the brilliant

1176
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: idea of writing semi fictionalized accounts of the most famous

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01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: detective cases in Pinkerton history, and these books became some

1178
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: of the very first true crime stories in the history

1179
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: of literature. But while the agency was famous for tales

1180
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: of sleuthing and daring do while confronting bandits and bank robbers,

1181
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: the bulk of the Pinkerton Agency's business came from protecting

1182
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: capital by fighting labor. The first Pinkerton strike breakers were

1183
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: hired in eighteen sixty six when miners in Illinois went

1184
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: on strike and the mining company needed protection for their scabs,

1185
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: which are the people like the company brings in to

1186
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: work the mines when the workers refuse. Now, over the years,

1187
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: the Pinkerton's developed a standard set of procedures, with armed

1188
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: men escorting scabs into factories and mines while Pinkerton guards

1189
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: and towers aimed machine guns at strikers to keep them away.

1190
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: Alan Pinkerton died in eighteen eighty four, and his son

1191
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: took over the agency and doubled down on strike breaking.

1192
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: By eighteen nine two, the Pinkerton's had helped to break

1193
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: seventy seven strikes. Now, after eighteen ninety two, though the

1194
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: agency really stopped doing as much over at strike breaking.

1195
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: They shifted more into industrial espionage and infiltrating labor movements

1196
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: rather than confronting them with guns. And the reason for

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: this was because of a vicious battle that took place

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: in the town of Homestead, Pennsylvania. Here we go, Yeah,

1199
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: the Homestead strike. So Homestead was a steel town built

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01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: around and for a huge steel plant owned by the

1201
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: Carnegie Steel Company. You know, you've all we all here

1202
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: know the Carnegie Foundation. We hear about him in like

1203
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: PBS and ship. Yeah, this is where that money comes from.

1204
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: So in eighteen ninety the price of rolled steel products

1205
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: has started to fall, and the manager of the Homestead plant,

1206
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: a dude named Henry Frick, decided to cut wages. Neither

1207
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: his wages nor his boss are Andrew Carnegie's wages were

1208
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: to be cut, of course, and in fact have maintained

1209
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: their wages. They had to take the company losses out

1210
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: of their workers pockets, and they decided the best way

1211
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: to do that was to destroy the Amalgamated Association of

1212
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: Iron and Steel Workers, which was at the time the

1213
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: nation's largest craft union. Now here's where it gets interesting,

1214
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: because Andrew Carnegie was, you know, one of the good

1215
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: ones if we're talking about millionaires, Like, that's how a

1216
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: lot of people would have viewed him at the time. Um,

1217
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: he was vocally pro labor, Like he made public statements

1218
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: in favor of labor and saying that unions had a

1219
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: reason to exist. And this was in keeping with his

1220
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: reputation as a philanthropist, you know, a millionaire you could trust.

1221
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: But of course, the instant his profits were threatened, Carnegie

1222
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: had no time for the union anymore and resisted, uh

1223
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: like efforts. Yeah exactly. So like he's he's like, yeah,

1224
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: unions are fine when the money is good, but when

1225
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: his money has threatened, union's gotta go. That's Andrew Carnegie. Yeah,

1226
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: it sounds about right, sounds about right. So in the

1227
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: in the spring of eight two, Carnegie instructed Frick to

1228
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: push company workers to make as much steel as possible

1229
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,479
Speaker 1: before the union contract expired that June, because the union

1230
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: contract expired and then they were gonna have to negotiate

1231
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: a new one, and the union didn't want to make

1232
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: less money, but Carnegie wanted to pay them less. So

1233
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: if the union had failed to accept the new terms

1234
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: that Carnegie and Frick offered, Andrew was just going to

1235
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: have the plant managers shut the factory down until the

1236
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: laborers were lented. He wrote to Frick, we approve of

1237
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: every anything you do. We are with you to the end.

1238
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: Now Carnegie wasn't physically with Frick. How of course, he

1239
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: was off at one of his many palaces. This one

1240
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: was in Scotland, just kind of chilling um. So Frick

1241
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: was left to figure out how to confront labor on

1242
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: his own. And I'm going to quote now from a

1243
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: write up on the strike and PBS is American Experience Series.

1244
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: With Carnegie's carte blanche support, Frick moved to slash wages.

1245
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: Plant workers were responded by hanging freaking effigy. The union

1246
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: fought not just for better wages, but also for a

1247
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: say in America's new industrial order. Though Carnegie and Frick

1248
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: had brought unions to heal at their other mills, Homestead

1249
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: remained untamed. Workers believed that because they had worked in

1250
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: the mill, they had mixed their labor with the property

1251
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: of the mill, explains historian Paul Krauss. They believed that

1252
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: in some way the property had become theirs, not that

1253
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't Andrew Carnegie's, not that they were the sole

1254
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: proprietors of the mill, but that they had an entitlement

1255
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: to the mill. And I think in a fundamental way,

1256
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: the conflict at Homestead in two was about these two

1257
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: conflicting ideas of property. Now, on June, Freak announced that

1258
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: he would no longer negotiate with the union. Now he

1259
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: would only deal with the workers individually. Leaders had amalgamated.

1260
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: We're willing to consider eat on almost every level except

1261
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: the dissolution of their union. On June nine, despite the

1262
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: union's willingness to negotiate, Frick closed down his Open Heart

1263
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: and Armor Plate mills, locking out thirty men. So there's

1264
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: a lot that's interesting here. One of them is that

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01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: like a lot of these guys, you know, these these

1266
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: guys aren't super educated, they haven't read you know, their

1267
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: marks or whatever, but they kind of recognized this idea

1268
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: of like, oh, you know, not that like worker. They

1269
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: weren't like workers should own the means of production, but

1270
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: they were like workers should co own the means of production. Yeahatly,

1271
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of the idea. These guys kind of come

1272
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: to of their own accord. Now, the union men desperately

1273
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: tried to contact Andrew Carnegie once a Frick closed the plant,

1274
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: because again they thought he was a good guy, like

1275
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: he'd said that unions were okay. They thought that he

1276
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: just didn't understand what was really happening because he was

1277
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: so distant, and if they if they could let him

1278
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: know how bad things for the were for them and

1279
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: how bad Frick was treating them, then he would back them.

1280
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: But of course Andrew Carnegie didn't give a shit about

1281
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: these people. He was on vacation and he had no

1282
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: time for them. He did, however, have time for Frick.

1283
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: He advised Frick that now was their time to destroy

1284
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: the union, believing that his workers would surely give it

1285
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: up if it meant keeping their jobs, even it reduced salary.

1286
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: His workers disagreed. Only seven hundred and fifty homestead men

1287
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: had belonged to the union before all this happened, but

1288
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: three thousand of the plants thirty eight hundred workers agreed

1289
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: to strike once Frick closed the doors. Now to combat them.

1290
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: Frick built a fortress to keep them out, including a

1291
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: twelve ft high, three mile long fence topped with barbed wire.

1292
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,520
Speaker 1: Deputy sheriffs were sworn in to man the fence with rifles.

1293
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: But those sheriffs and their families lived in Homestead, and

1294
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: when three thousand of their neighbors marched on Fort Frick,

1295
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: as it was known, all these deputy sheriffs were like,

1296
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna kill all these people I

1297
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: live with. Like, that's that seems like a bad call.

1298
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: So they laid down their arms and left. Now workers

1299
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: then occupied the plant and effectively took over the entire

1300
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: town of Homestead. For the very first time in American history,

1301
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: laborers had quite literally seized the means of production. Now

1302
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: Andrew Carnegie was not a fan of this. They didn't

1303
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: take it lie down. Well, he actually probably was lying

1304
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: down in Scotland, but he hired a bunch of armed

1305
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: Pinkerton's to not take it lying down for Yeah, So

1306
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: the Pinkerton's, three hundred and some out of them got

1307
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: on a bunch a couple of barges and attempted an

1308
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: aquatic landing at Homestead, essentially a sort of capitalist normandy,

1309
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: or more accurately, Gliboli. The heavily armed Pinkerton's expected this

1310
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: to be like any of the other dozens of strikes

1311
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: they broken. You know, they might have to gun down

1312
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 1: a few people, but these dirt poor factory serves surely

1313
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: would not be able to compete with their modern Winchester rifles.

1314
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: Three D mercenaries with modern guns were sure to be

1315
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: enough to break Homestead's resistance. And again, Carnegie and Frick

1316
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: had underestimated the men of Homestead, as one leader recalled,

1317
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: to be confronted with a gang of loafers and cutthroats

1318
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: from all over the country coming here there as they

1319
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: thought to take their jobs. Why they naturally wanted to

1320
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: go down and defend their homes and their property with

1321
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: their lives, with force if necessary. Course. Yeah, and defend

1322
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: their lives the men of Homestead did. When the Pinkerton's landed,

1323
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: they were warned not to step off their barge. When

1324
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: they ignored that warning, people started fucking shooting at them,

1325
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: and a huge gun battle began. And yeah, yeah, yeah,

1326
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: where's that movie? I know there might be a movie

1327
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: about it. They probably there should be. More so, the

1328
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: Pinkerton's used their steel barges as floating bunkers, firing out

1329
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: at a crowd of homestead citizenry. The homesteaders had shipped

1330
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: for guns, mostly a handful of hunting rifles and old muskets,

1331
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: but they had a lot of those, and they also

1332
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: had a twenty pound cannon that they got from somewhere.

1333
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: They had dynamite, which they tossed like grenades. A local

1334
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: hardware merchant donated all of the ammunition in his store

1335
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: to the crowd, and for twelve hours the gun battle

1336
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: raged on. By six am the next day, more than

1337
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: five thousand spectators from Pittsburgh had shown up to watch

1338
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: from the river banks. At eight am, Yes, like a

1339
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: live movie. Yeah, we're gonna go see the war. There's

1340
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: a war going on next all. Yeah, I guess I'll

1341
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: take a look. Yeah. By eight am, the Pinkerton's had

1342
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 1: tried to land again. Workers fired their cannon and attempted

1343
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: to scuttle the barges by ramming them with both a

1344
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: burning raft and a burning railroad car. None of this

1345
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: quite worked. Yeah, they were. They were really giving it

1346
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: a shot. They committed just like look, look you hold Yeah,

1347
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: we can't shoot through these barges. But we can throw

1348
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: giant flaming things at the barges and that'll probably funk

1349
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: them up a bit. Now, none of this sunk the barges,

1350
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: but the sheer rate of fire from the crowd was

1351
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: terrifying to the Pinkerton's, who cowered inside. One recalled the

1352
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: noise that they made on the shore was awful, and

1353
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 1: it made us shake in our boots. We were pinned

1354
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: in like rats, and we went at the fighting like

1355
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: desperate wild men. All of the men were under the

1356
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: beds and bunks, crying and trembling. Another Pinkertons were called.

1357
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: It was a place of torment when men were lying

1358
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: around wounded and bleeding and piteously begging someone to give

1359
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: them a drink of water, but no one dared to

1360
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: get a drop, although water was all around us. It

1361
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: was a wonder we did not all go crazy or

1362
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: commit suicide. The Pinkerton's tried to surrender four times, and

1363
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: each white flag they rose up was shot down by

1364
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: a sniper on the like, we're not done shooting it,

1365
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: you guys yet, Friendship. Yeah. Eventually, though the crowd did

1366
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: except the Pinkerton's surrender, The mercenary cops were led onto

1367
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: the shore, beaten and clubbed and pelted with stones as

1368
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: they were taken to the local jail and eventually sent

1369
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: out of town by train. Three to eight Pinkerton's were killed,

1370
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: along with a similar number of strikers, and dozens and

1371
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: dozens of people were wounded. It was a victory for

1372
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: the laboring folks of Homestead, but sadly, not one that lasted.

1373
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: Frick next asked the governor to send in the militia,

1374
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: and since the state government basically existed to serve the

1375
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: desires of wealthy mine owners and the like, the government

1376
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: said yes. The strikers knew better than to try to

1377
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: do battle with the militia who had machine guns, and

1378
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: so they surrendered. Yeah. Yeah, Homestead was put under martial law.

1379
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: Carnegie was able to move in his scab workers, and

1380
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: of course this is where things get morally complex again

1381
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: because the scab workers Carnegie picks were a lot of

1382
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: them were black, UM and in fact, these were like

1383
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: the very first black steel workers in the state UM.

1384
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: And this led to a horrible race riot, as two

1385
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: thousand white union men assaulted fifty black families and a

1386
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: number of people were badly injured in the resulting gun battle.

1387
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: And this is a regular story throughout the labor movement,

1388
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: is like, our workers are on strike, black people, we

1389
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: can bring them in, we can pay them less um

1390
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: and like it'll, it'll. Like they don't like there's not

1391
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: a solidarity between these poor black and these poor white people.

1392
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: Um for obvious reasons, because poor white people real shitty

1393
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: to poor black people. But like it provided an opportunity

1394
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: for people at Carnegie. Yeah, yeah, who desperately needed work.

1395
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, yep, yep, not great. It's complicated, complicated history here.

1396
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: So by November of eighteen nine two, the Amalgamated Union

1397
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: was finished. Strike leaders were charged with murder and a

1398
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty union men were charged with lesser crimes. Now,

1399
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: local juries did refuse to convict them, because again the

1400
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: juries were made up of the people who had taken

1401
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: part in this uprising. But this was the end of

1402
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: unionization in Homestead for a while. Once victory was well

1403
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: and truly achieved, Carnegie cabled Frick Life worth Living again,

1404
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 1: first happy morning since July. To celebrate, he immediately cut wages,

1405
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: expanded the work day of twelve hours, and fired five people,

1406
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: good stuff, good stuff. But after Homestead, the Pinkerton's were

1407
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: never quite the same, and it would be fair to

1408
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: say that the whole experience made the agency a lot

1409
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: less willing to go engage in physical aggression. But the

1410
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: agency still exists to this day and still works as

1411
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: a private police force for the rich and powerful. In

1412
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, when workers for Frontier Communications went

1413
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: on strike in West Virginia and Normal Virginia, the company

1414
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: hired the Pinkerton Agency, now part of Securitas, a massive

1415
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: Swedish corporation. Pinkerton basically acts as a rentable FBI for

1416
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: mega corporations dealing with labor disputes. I'm gonna quote now

1417
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: from a write up in The New Republic. Okay, wait

1418
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: before you quote this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you say

1419
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: West Virginia regular Virginia? I sure did that? Is I

1420
01:14:54,040 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: say this as a statement of act. I attribute no value,

1421
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: good or bad to this statement. But West Virginia is

1422
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: a time warp. I'm like, West Virginia is currently a

1423
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. Yeah, it's not regular Virginia. Yes, that's

1424
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: so when you said that, and it's something that you know,

1425
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm in a group text with a bunch of different

1426
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: touring artists, like we're all just homies, but we all

1427
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: talked about like yo, I feel like West Virginia is

1428
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: back to the future, Like it's the Internet hasn't been

1429
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: invented in West Virginia, Like we don't what why is

1430
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: this state forty years ago? Yeah? Yeah, it's a trip

1431
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: to me anyway, So West Virginia and regular Virginia. Just

1432
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: I I almost feel vindicated that I'm not I'm not

1433
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: the only person me and my eight friends and the

1434
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: only people that feel like, yeah, I understand what's happening

1435
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: in West Virginia right now. Like I feel like everyone

1436
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: who has driven from regular Virginia to West Virginia immediately

1437
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: had the realist Asian like, oh, I'm not in regular

1438
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: Virginia any this is in Virginia anymore. I don't even

1439
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: know why it's both called. Yeah, should change on name

1440
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,919
Speaker 1: because this is this is not the same North Carolina

1441
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: South Carolina. A few differences Carolinas, but you're Carolinas Virginia,

1442
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: West Virginia. That's a different planet. I mean, I'll say

1443
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: there's a big South Dakota North Dakota split. But also

1444
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: why the two there's like nine people in both spaces.

1445
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: Come Poppy Seeds is nine people poppy seeds in Dakotas. Yes,

1446
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: all right, we've anyway, I just read the quote. I

1447
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: just had to acknowledge regular Virginia. That's how I feel.

1448
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. Yeah. So in the modern day,

1449
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: the Pinkerton Agency, basically and it's just called Pinkerton, now

1450
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: acts as a rentable FBI for megacorporations fucking over their workers.

1451
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote now from a write up in

1452
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: the New Republic. Pinkerton is hardly the only firm to

1453
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 1: advertise such services, but its history sets it apart, and

1454
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: the company embraces its legacy. With one to Pinkerton, you

1455
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: gain access to our global networker resources, providing boots on

1456
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,520
Speaker 1: the ground when and where you need them. It promises

1457
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: a securitis aid for the firm, lists labor demonstrations as

1458
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: among the risks it can monitor. Trouble can happen anytime anywhere.

1459
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: A narrator in tones tones tone is just was so

1460
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: treating like a physical response to that, Like God, Yeah,

1461
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: the Pinkerton promise is attractive to some Silicon Valley firms.

1462
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: The Guardian reported on March sixteenth that Facebook and Google

1463
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: have both retained Pinkerton to monitor staff for leaks. Among

1464
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: other services, Pinkerton offers to send investigators to coffee shops

1465
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: or restaurants near a company's campus to eavesdrop on employee conversations.

1466
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: Olivia Salon reported, Pinkerton's still out there, still fucking with labor. Yeah,

1467
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: just just rich boy hall monitors. Yeah. What if they relaxed, bro? Yeah,

1468
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: you know how you know how little accountability the FBI

1469
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: has currently? What if it just had none? Okay, guys,

1470
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: stay with me here, FBI that we could pay to

1471
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: do whatever we want. Yeah. Yeah, Like you know how

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Speaker 1: that FBI agent who was doing a backflip at a

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Speaker 1: club and accidentally shot that guy when his gun fell out,

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Speaker 1: You know, he got in trouble. What if there was

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Speaker 1: even less accountability than that. I almost I almost forgot

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Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, that happened. Yes, good lord. Wow. So

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Speaker 1: prop we're at the end of another episode, another chapter

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Speaker 1: in police history. UM, I haven't as of yet finished

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Speaker 1: writing the third episode, but we're going to talk some

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01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: about the KKK, We're gonna talk some about lynchings. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk some about how the police departments stopped lynchings

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Speaker 1: by just deciding to torture black people instead. It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be It's not pretty good. Yeah, talking about l

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Speaker 1: APD recruiting Southern people from post gym. Yeah, we're gonna

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01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: have to talk about that something. Yeah, we have a

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01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: lot more to talk about, but yeah, for now, what

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Speaker 1: we should talk about is your plug doubles. Yes, uh

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Speaker 1: prop hip hop dot com. Uh, that's all the poetry

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Speaker 1: in the in the music and the art and the

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: uh the coffee paraphernalia and the podcasts um hood politics

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01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: and the red couch pod couches me and my wife

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01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: hood politics exactly what it sounds like. I'm basically taking

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: all that you know about politics and just explaining them

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01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: in street terms, um as to a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: I just I really just want people to like realize

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01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: your politicians aren't smarter than you. You just you You

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01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: think you're you think you don't belong at the table.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to tell you is what this

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Speaker 1: whole episode in series has proven. They just people and

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01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: they just gang banging. They're just gang bang it. So

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: if you understand, if you accept that your politicians are

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: gang bang years in all, this is just gang life.

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Speaker 1: You can understand politics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. I like that Nobody Speak video that like

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Speaker 1: it did real well. It's like, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: like all these people, these are just different gangs, and

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01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: we decide this gang gets all the respect. This's just

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Speaker 1: basically it. You know, when when okay, so when we

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Speaker 1: all know, I mean, I like, really, name a Republican

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Speaker 1: politician that actually likes Donald Trump. Like y'all don't like him,

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: but I get it. He's from your hood. So since

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Speaker 1: he's from your hood, you keep your mouth shut in public.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's why nobody's that's why he told the

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Speaker 1: lines like from my hood. I can't. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: from my hood. I get it. Yeah, don't you don't

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Speaker 1: you sell a shirt that says, uh, yes, you have

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01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: a shirt that politics is just gang banging or something

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01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, politics is gangbanging in nice suits. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's the T shirt. And I actually I'm gonna help

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Speaker 1: your plug. I ordered a worst Year Ever T shirt.

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Speaker 1: It's not here yet store they'll get it. Look at

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Speaker 1: that synergy. I like the one he has a shirt

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Speaker 1: that store, that says a Republican democrat, I'll wake. I

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I need that. I need that immediately.

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Speaker 1: I do want to while we're talking about gangs and

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Speaker 1: what they are in reality, I wanted to, have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard of Smedley Butler? Prop I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about Smedley Butler for just a second. Before he put

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01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: down put Smedley Butler was a major general. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the highest decorated soldiers in US history. Home did

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Speaker 1: one two Medals of honor Um for gallantry under fire,

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Speaker 1: and became a hardcore anti capitalist in in his his

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Speaker 1: later days. I want to quote from like two different

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Speaker 1: speeches of his. I spent thirty three years and four

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Speaker 1: months in active military service as a member of this

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Speaker 1: country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served

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Speaker 1: in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to major general,

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Speaker 1: and during that period I spent most of my time

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01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: being a high class muscle man for big business, for

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Speaker 1: Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was

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01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. She's yeah, She's yeah,

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Speaker 1: Smedley Butler. Smiley Butler, you said you said that, you

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Speaker 1: said the quiet thing out loud. Yeah, and it's and

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Speaker 1: it's like and it's the obvious man. Yeah day, all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, dude, we got some Smedley in here. We'll

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Speaker 1: get back to cops on part three. Have a great one, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Thank you again, prop and thank you. See you all

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Speaker 1: next week with more of the Police. Not the Band,

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Speaker 1: Not the Band Behind the Police is a production of

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