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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal, Indeed we do.

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Speaker 4: There's a hell of a lot unfolding around the country

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Speaker 4: as we speak.

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Speaker 1: We're going to start the show with some additional exclusive

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Speaker 1: polls here with Jail Partners about how Israel may impact

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. We've got it broken down by age

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Speaker 1: demographic and pretty fascinating look at how different age groups

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Speaker 1: are viewing this conflict. We've also got a look at

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Speaker 1: a new bad poll for by actually a couple new

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Speaker 1: bad polls for Biden, both in terms of the overall

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Speaker 4: We've been tracking some wild crackdowns. We've got some unbelievable

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Speaker 4: video for you coming out of ut Austin. We also

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Speaker 4: obviously very intentional there. Also getting reports out of Virginia's

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Speaker 1: Israel is reportedly preparing to install checkpoints to make sure

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Speaker 1: some recent comments from Tony Blincoln and potential progress on

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Speaker 1: very divergent ideological views of America's role in the world,

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Speaker 4: I've got a monologue.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking ahead all of the people who are so

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Speaker 1: very confused why anyone would protest their government helping to

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Speaker 1: Essential candidate for the Green Party, doctor Jill Stein, is

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Speaker 1: going to join us. Very noteworthy for her to be

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Speaker 4: So really honest to be joined by her this y Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We booked her a long time ago and then it

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Speaker 2: we're going to debrief the incident with her, if we appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's been signing up to support us. So we had

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Speaker 2: that exclusive poll yesterday. We're going to debut even more

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Speaker 2: here with Jill Stein. So this is really what we're

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Speaker 2: We're showing everything that we've got to you and with

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Speaker 2: So she will have a highly consequential role in this election.

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Speaker 2: As Christl said, though, we do have a lot more

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Speaker 2: exclusive polling. Today, we're going to break it down in

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Speaker 2: So it is very clear here again, Crystal, that Joe

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Speaker 1: And they're like, your guy is helping with the genocide

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Speaker 4: So it is a dire political situation for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Something I was thinking about too, is that there's an

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the key part.

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Speaker 1: That's it is if you look at his overall approval

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Speaker 3: I think we can think of Israel like abortion.

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Speaker 2: It is a very animating issue for some people, and

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Speaker 2: amongst those people, they're going to have real witness. Taks

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Speaker 2: How do you feel Joe Biden is handling the conflict?

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Speaker 2: So doing well is twenty seven percent neither well or badly,

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Speaker 2: demographic for Joe Biden doing well eighteen percent neither, seventeen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, majority of people.

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Speaker 2: Now, actually, amongst the thirty to forty nine, you see

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Speaker 1: Near majorities in every single age group. That's right, even

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Speaker 2: We are only trying to present you what most people don't.

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Speaker 5: base and with independent voters who were breaking to his

437
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Speaker 5: GOP rival and the head to head raise, Forty nine

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Speaker 5: percent of voters say they'd picked Trump for president, compared

439
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Speaker 5: to forty three percent for Biden. That's a nine point

440
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Speaker 5: Trump advantage with independent voters. And add in third party

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Speaker 5: candidates and Trump's lead jumps even more. He has forty

442
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Speaker 5: two percent to Biden's thirty three percent, and Robert F.

443
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Speaker 5: Kennedy Junior gets sixteen percent of the vote. Our poll

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Speaker 5: also underscores the challenges of incumbency and that voters four

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Speaker 5: years later have a better view of Trump's presidency compared

446
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Speaker 5: to Biden's fifty five percent say Trump's time in office

447
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Speaker 5: was success, with only thirty nine percent saying the same

448
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Speaker 5: about Biden's presidency.

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Speaker 2: So you can see that there's a huge disapproval there

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Speaker 2: with Joe Biden. You can see Trump almost six point

451
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Speaker 2: lead outside the margin of error being admitted. And again,

452
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Speaker 2: you know, the other confounding variable here for the Biden

453
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Speaker 2: question is just about how people feel about him.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there please. I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: just straordinary.

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Speaker 2: This is not something that you want as your headline

457
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Speaker 2: that is going in to the election. Biden is the

458
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Speaker 2: least popular president in seventy years, below even Nixon and

459
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter. At this point in his presidency, Trump, whenever

460
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Speaker 2: he was in this part of his presidency, had a

461
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Speaker 2: forty six percent approval rating ahead of the election. Keep

462
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Speaker 2: in mind that was during the COVID nightmare back in

463
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Speaker 2: April of twenty twenty. Think about how insane that period was.

464
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Speaker 2: Even Nixon and Carter had fifty three and forty seven

465
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Speaker 2: percent respectively. I mean, Eisenhower had a seventy three percent.

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Speaker 2: He was the highest there at this point in his presidency.

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Speaker 2: But Biden really is in a league of his own

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Speaker 2: in terms of low approval. Now I want to say

469
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Speaker 2: this is the caveat, and I've been thinking about this

470
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Speaker 2: a lot. There are two elections that this will turn

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Speaker 2: out to be. It's either going to be nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 2: which I did a hole monologue on, or it's going

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Speaker 2: to be nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 3: And let me explain. Nineteen forty eight was Harry S.

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Speaker 2: Truman. He went into the election historically unpopular. People were

476
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Speaker 2: fed up, union strikes, there was rapid inflation, but there was,

477
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Speaker 2: you know, all this change after post World War two Korea,

478
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Speaker 2: there was like there was a crisis. The Berlin Lyft.

479
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Speaker 2: Korea came a little bit later, but more what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying is there's a lot of geopolitical you know, consternation,

481
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Speaker 2: and every poll that was out there, the Gallup polling,

482
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Speaker 2: I think it was a major one at the time,

483
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Speaker 2: was like Truman's cook, there's nowhere, never going to happen.

484
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Speaker 2: Truman ends up mounting kind of a run from behind campaign.

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Speaker 2: The famous Dewey defeats Truman, which if he holds up,

486
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Speaker 2: and he ends up winning based upon flogging the rest

487
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Speaker 2: of the political establishment, saying that Thomas Dewey and that

488
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Speaker 2: do nothing Congress were the real ones that were responsible

489
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Speaker 2: for the problem, not him, and he gets himself elected

490
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Speaker 2: as a shock to the entire country. The other inverse is,

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Speaker 2: like I said nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty eight, where

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Speaker 2: you see a split of the Democratic coalition over Vietnam,

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Speaker 2: you have all the chaos of RFK Junior, RFK Senior.

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Speaker 2: They're you know, dividing the coalition. Hubert Humphrey, he's unable

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Speaker 2: to consolidate that. You have a third party candidate like

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Speaker 2: George Wallace. It's about thirteen percent of the vote in

497
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Speaker 2: the South. Richard Nixon is able to carry it law

498
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Speaker 2: and order message about forty percent of the vote for

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Speaker 2: popular vote. He ends up winning a stunning electoral college victory.

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Speaker 2: So one of those two is going to happen. If

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Speaker 2: Biden wins, is going to be forty eight. And if

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Speaker 2: Biden loses, I think it's going to be in nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting, very interesting. I mean I just keep thinking about, like,

505
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Speaker 1: what are the core reasons people voted for Joe Biden

506
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Speaker 1: in the first place because they thought he was like

507
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Speaker 1: a nice guy, because they wanted to end the chaos.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they don't think he's a nice guy anymore.

510
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Speaker 1: He's not a nice guy. Regardless of what you know

511
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Speaker 1: they said at the White House Correspondence dinner about how

512
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Speaker 1: decent he is whatever, He's not a good guy if

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Speaker 1: people don't feel that way about him anymore. And number two,

514
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Speaker 1: there's chaos. So you're not making an affirmative case for

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Speaker 1: your presidence. You haven't bothered to tell anyone that you're

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Speaker 1: even going to like try to do anything in particular

517
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Speaker 1: with the second term. So why would what is the

518
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Speaker 1: affirmative case for Joe Biden's time around. On the other hand,

519
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Speaker 1: people were really frigging hey, Donald Trump to and they

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to go back to that time period either.

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Speaker 1: And the more that we get into the election cycle,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's early, like right now, yes, CNN's numbers

523
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Speaker 1: say people have fond memories of the Trump time period.

524
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Speaker 1: They think it was more successful than the Biden time period.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a little bit of rose colored glasses

526
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Speaker 1: there and whatever. But as we get more into the

527
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Speaker 1: election cycle, and people have to deal with Donald Trump

528
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Speaker 1: in their face all day every day, in his court

529
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Speaker 1: romantics and whatever the hell else he's going to say

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Speaker 1: and do it between now an election day, does that

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Speaker 1: change the feeling is abortion is the rollback of rights

532
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Speaker 1: that people had kind of taken for granted and the

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Speaker 1: horror stories that we're seeing in state after state after state.

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Speaker 1: Does that end up being the determinive factor? Because it's certainly,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we're looking at the election results so far,

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Speaker 1: it really has been, and that in that way, the

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Speaker 1: polls have actually been skewed against Democrats. Democrats have been

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Speaker 1: outperforming the polls in a lot of these places because

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Speaker 1: they are not anticipating the surge of voters who are

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Speaker 1: disgusted with extremist abortion policy and states and localities across

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Speaker 1: the country. So that's the landscape we're looking at. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, there's a lot of questions about obviously

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Speaker 1: they have poured gasoline on the fire about to talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the extraordinary, very nineteen sixty eight esque

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Speaker 1: scenes playing out in college campuses across the country. This

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Speaker 1: really does divide the Democratic base. It also really pretends

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Speaker 1: very ill for how the DNC is going to go

548
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Speaker 1: and the level of chaos that is going to be

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Speaker 1: on display there as you know, Joe Biden continues his

550
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Speaker 1: unconditional support for Israel no matter what. We don't know

551
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Speaker 1: what is about to happen with regards to RAFA and

552
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Speaker 1: the additional whores that could unfold there. So there's just

553
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Speaker 1: a you know, there's a lot going on. And the

554
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Speaker 1: bottom line is this is the election that almost no

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Speaker 1: one wanted. No one wanted this rematch, no one wanted it.

556
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Speaker 1: But there was very little Democrat There was basically democracy

557
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Speaker 1: completely shut out on the Democratic side, the Republican base

558
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Speaker 1: still very fond of Trump, and you know, very little

559
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Speaker 1: contest ultimately there either And so the overwhelming majority of

560
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Speaker 1: Americans who were like, isn't there anyone else we could run?

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Speaker 1: Aren't there any other choices from the two major parties

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Speaker 1: we could have?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: And that's why you see such low interest and excitement

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Speaker 1: about this election cycle, because the people who are going

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Speaker 1: to actually, you know, actually going to throw this election

567
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Speaker 1: one way or the other are the people who say,

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Speaker 1: I don't like either of these dudes, I don't want

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Speaker 1: either of them to be president. But I guess at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, I have to pick. So

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Speaker 1: that's where we are as a country. It's not exactly

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Speaker 1: an aspirational choice.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not aspirational. That's why, you know, if

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Speaker 2: I had to bet, it's so hard to pick. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. But part of

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Speaker 2: the thing that did happen in nineteen sixty eight is

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Speaker 2: there also was not a lot of excitement. Remember, people

578
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Speaker 2: knew Richard Nixon, and they knew a lot about him,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't necessarily like him all that much. People

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Speaker 2: also knew a lot about Hubert Humphrey. His name may

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Speaker 2: be dead today, but at the time he was the

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Speaker 2: vice president, he was a very known quantity. He was

583
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Speaker 2: a star Democrat, but they didn't trust him because he

584
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Speaker 2: was taught by LBJ. There was not a lot of insightment.

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Speaker 2: People really felt like under attack in nineteen sixty eight,

586
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Speaker 2: and there was like a chaos in this in the

587
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Speaker 2: middle of the chest, which is something that I would

588
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Speaker 2: probably say is very analogous today. Let's put the next

589
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Speaker 2: one up there on the screen. You can also see

590
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Speaker 2: this too, which is what Chrystal was talking about in

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Speaker 2: terms of how tight things are going to be the

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Speaker 2: latest CBS News poll out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, the

593
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Speaker 2: so called what is it Blue Walls, I think we

594
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Speaker 2: dropped out, Well, what are the polls there?

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Speaker 3: So very very tight race, very tight race.

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Speaker 2: Now currently, what we see in Michigan if you look

597
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Speaker 2: at the current rating for how people say the state

598
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Speaker 2: of the economy is thirty eight percent in Michigan, thirty

599
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Speaker 2: eight percent Pennsylvania, forty two percent Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: But then look at how people feel about Trump.

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Speaker 2: Looking back during the Trump era, here was whether they

602
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Speaker 2: think the economy was good sixty two percent, sixty one percent,

603
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Speaker 2: sixty two percent. That is such a strong number that

604
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Speaker 2: I just can't get over. It was highly determinative. If

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Speaker 2: you look at the end of the year since the

606
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Speaker 2: COVID pandemic, whether people think the things have gotten better.

607
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Speaker 2: It's in the twenties for people in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

608
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Speaker 2: If you look at people who say understands people like me.

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Speaker 2: For Biden, in August of twenty twenty, it was at

610
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Speaker 2: forty four percent today it's forty For Trump, it was

611
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Speaker 2: thirty seven percent now it's forty two.

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Speaker 3: So but Trump is actually beating.

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Speaker 4: Biden category that Biden used to have that John.

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Speaker 2: That is one of the most important things about him,

615
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Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I no, he says crazy stuff, but

616
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Speaker 2: he seems like a nice guy and he feels like

617
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Speaker 2: he understands me. And that's one of those two where

618
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Speaker 2: if you look at each one of these states, how

619
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Speaker 2: does Biden make you feel? Worried? Number one response in

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Speaker 2: the state of Pennsylvania. Worried number one response in the

621
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Speaker 2: state of Pennsylvania. If you look at who you rate

622
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Speaker 2: the state of if you basically if you just look

623
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Speaker 2: at finances where they're doing better, it's in the twenties

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Speaker 2: and all three states. So it's like on all the

625
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Speaker 2: pocketbook stuff, all the traditional rules of politics, Like I said,

626
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Speaker 2: Biden should be cooked. This should not even be a question.

627
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Speaker 2: He's Jimmy Carter and there's no a single thing but Trump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know the fact that it's still tight.

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Speaker 2: He's got his own confounding variables there. Yeah, and it

630
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Speaker 2: is very possible that he could still lose. One of

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Speaker 2: the things I looked at is also state by state

632
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Speaker 2: Senate elections, which can be very predictive. Carrie Lake right

633
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Speaker 2: now is down by like double digits in Arizona. She really, Yeah,

634
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Speaker 2: it's a disaster. Same thing in Pennsylvania. Bob Casey is

635
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Speaker 2: crushing David McCormick for ten percent. So that's another one

636
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Speaker 2: you want to look at too, because you take Biden

637
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Speaker 2: Trump out of it and you see a huge lead

638
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: for the Democrat there. That's another sign. Sometimes sometimes you know,

639
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Speaker 2: split ticket of voting in these days very very rare,

640
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Speaker 2: so it could indicate some hidden Democratic strength.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, that is very interesting. I mean the irony is

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Speaker 1: I think if Democrats had chosen like, you know, random

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Speaker 1: relatively generic Democrat, I think they be beating Trump pretty easily.

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Speaker 1: I think if Republicans had chosen you know, random relatively

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Speaker 1: generic Republican, I think they be biting beating bind very easily.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, so they both put up their

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Speaker 1: like weakest possible contenders, and yeah, we'll see who wins.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, see how she all plays out.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, folks, it's going to be a fun one.

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Speaker 1: A lot of time between now and then. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and get to some of what is unfolding around

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Speaker 1: the country, some extraordinary scenes. We want to start at

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Speaker 1: Columbia University, which really has been kind of ground zero

654
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Speaker 1: for these protests and for the crackdown on these protests.

655
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Speaker 1: So we can put these images up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the echoes of nineteen sixty eight. So

657
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Speaker 1: here we have protesters taking over Hamilton Hall on campus

658
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Speaker 1: that was one of the same buildings that nineteen sixty

659
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Speaker 1: eight anti Vietnam War protesters took over at that time.

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Speaker 1: You can see they have hung a flag that says

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Speaker 1: hins Hall. That's a reference to that little girl who

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Speaker 1: It was horrible. I did a whole modelogue about it.

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Speaker 3: She was in a.

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Speaker 1: Car, her family was killed by an IDF strike. She

665
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Speaker 1: was still alive, she was able to call the Red Crescent.

666
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: She was begging for them to and help her. They

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Speaker 1: stayed on the line with her, they got the route

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Speaker 1: deconflicted so they could come and save her. And not

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Speaker 1: only was she assassinated by the IDF, this little six

670
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Speaker 1: year old, adorable girl, but her would be rescuers also

671
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: assassinated by the IDF and documented on the scene. That

672
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Speaker 1: ambulance coming to save her was just a block away.

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Speaker 1: So Hinshall in honor of Hint and her loss of life.

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Speaker 1: So again, these echoes of nineteen sixty eight now being

675
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Speaker 1: very intentionally stoked, and that connectivity very intentionally created by

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Speaker 1: the protesters at Columbia. I'll give you some more updates

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Speaker 1: on Columbia in a minute, because I want to show

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Speaker 1: you some of the scenes out of ut Austin, where

679
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Speaker 1: Texas Governor Greg Abbott has decided to go full crackdown mode.

680
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Speaker 1: Any of his pretend pretenses around free speech clearly gone.

681
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Speaker 1: Here you can see police taking out someone carrying them

682
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Speaker 1: their hands are found. Here, you see these officers coming

683
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Speaker 1: in in what appears to be riot gear, approaching the

684
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Speaker 1: student protesters. Here you see some cop beating the hell

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Speaker 1: out of someone. Fist flying there as you know, the

686
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: cops are pushing up against the protesters. Here we see

687
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Speaker 1: people being sprayed mace I assume, as they try to

688
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Speaker 1: clear on this this area, in this encampment.

689
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Speaker 4: And then this is incredible.

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Speaker 1: So after the police cleared the whole area, this is

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Speaker 1: protesters coming back in and the police actually having to retreat.

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Speaker 4: And then this is my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys can hear this in

694
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Speaker 1: the background, but they're chanting you failed Uvaldi. Because DPS

695
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: was there on the scene at Valdi and While they're

696
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Speaker 1: pretty courageous when it comes to beating up unarmed college kids,

697
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Speaker 1: not so courageous when it came to rescuing these poor

698
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Speaker 1: babies who were trapped and being murdered inside of that

699
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Speaker 1: elementary school and ultimately bleeding. So just extraordinary scenes there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many arrests were made, but student

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Speaker 1: protesters at u T Austin very determined, even in spite

702
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Speaker 1: of the crackdown, to come back in and reset up

703
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Speaker 1: the encampment, restart the protest. Reportedly soccer from the scenes

704
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Speaker 1: on the ground, the protests have only grown in size

705
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Speaker 1: as a result of this attempted crackdown. So we can

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Speaker 1: put Greg Abbott's sweet up on the screen. Like I said,

707
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Speaker 1: all of his free speech commentary previously is now out

708
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Speaker 1: the window. He says, no encampments will be allowed. Instead,

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Speaker 1: arrests are being made. Your thoughts on what is unfolding there.

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Speaker 2: It does look like about one hundred demonstra This is

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Speaker 2: k kV U E ABC got to give a shout

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Speaker 2: out to the local media and they're seeing at least

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Speaker 2: one hundred demonstrators there arrested. Returning back to that Hamilton Hall,

714
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Speaker 2: that monologue that I gave, Yeah, it's very significant.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they obviously did it on purpose.

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Speaker 2: So nineteen sixty eight, that building, Hamilton Hall, was actually

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Speaker 2: occupied by the VA non war protesters and they barricaded

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Speaker 2: themselves inside.

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Speaker 3: I will say, maybe.

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Speaker 2: You'll disagree with me, Crystal, I think it was a

721
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: mistake because one of the reasons one of the things

722
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Speaker 2: that they did is a significant amount of property destruction.

723
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Speaker 2: And they blew open the doors with with metal, you know,

724
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: and broke the glass and all of that. You can

725
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Speaker 2: think that's significantly if you want, but once you crossed

726
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Speaker 2: into the line of straight up property damage, and you know,

727
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: we're no longer in the real realm of like camping

728
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: on private property, which is university and that obviously you know,

729
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: it's very different. It's actual like destruction of property. That

730
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Speaker 2: and barricading themselves inside vandalization. You're setting yourself up for

731
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Speaker 2: some sort of police demonstration. And so I'll be honest,

732
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Speaker 2: I think it was a mistake what they did because

733
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Speaker 2: destroying property and vandalizing. Now at the same time, look Columbia,

734
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't really know what their deal is

735
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Speaker 2: because Columbia says the Columbia is like you haved until

736
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Speaker 2: two pm, and we were all prepared. We were like, Okay,

737
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: here we go, let's go. And then two pm comes

738
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Speaker 2: and goes and nothing happen, and the Columbia University faculty

739
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: are all there and then they start getting suspended, but

740
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: there's no actual enforcement. So in a certain sense, it's

741
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: like you're setting deadlines and then nothing is happening. So

742
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Speaker 2: I feel like they've chosen the worst of all worlds.

743
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: If you're gonna have rules, you're going to enforce them

744
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: and enforce them. But if not, they're in this tricky situation.

745
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Speaker 2: I will also say, in the student's defense, one of

746
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: the things that Columbia prides itself on is its history

747
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: of student activism, right, and they sell themselves about like, listen,

748
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Speaker 2: we are so sorry about what happened in nineteen sixty eight,

749
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Speaker 2: and it was a huge on their website to go it.

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Speaker 4: Yet literally it took a decade to recover.

751
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Speaker 2: From that leaders of activists, So in a certain sense,

752
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Speaker 2: Columbia does not have anybody but itself to blame. But

753
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Speaker 2: I do think it was a huge mistake to vandalize

754
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Speaker 2: property and to break into the building, because you're setting

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Speaker 2: yourself up for a crackdown. And I've said this before.

756
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Speaker 2: You know, as long as people are peaceful, I think

757
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Speaker 2: it's fine. But you start breaking stuff, burning stuff, vandalizing stuff,

758
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lost EmPATH before.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing in terms of Columbia's response, because

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Speaker 1: they threw everything at these students for a holy, peaceful protest.

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Speaker 3: And in the beginning, you're in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they broad in the cops, they threatened the National Guard,

763
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Speaker 1: they suspended students indiscriminately. And so when you throw the

764
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Speaker 1: whole kitchen sink at them to begin with, well, you

765
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Speaker 1: got nothing left, They got nothing left to fear. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is something that I've come to realize as a

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Speaker 1: parent in terms of, like, you know, disciplining children.

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Speaker 4: It's your biggest fears.

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Speaker 1: They realize that, like you don't actually have any power

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Speaker 1: over them. Carefully, Ella don't want the same, but at

771
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Speaker 1: a certain extent, like you know, I can't, I can ground,

772
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Speaker 1: I can tell you away the foot. Once you've done

773
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: all the things, what else is there to do? And

774
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Speaker 1: so that's what Columbia did here. They're cracked out at

775
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: the beginning, was so aggressive, We're gonna send in the

776
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Speaker 1: cops and it's going to be aggressive, and we're threatened

777
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Speaker 1: the National Guard and all these politicians are gonna they're

778
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Speaker 1: gonna smear its anti semis, we're going to kick you

779
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: on a school and you're we're gonna graduate.

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Speaker 4: You're not allowed to set foot on campus.

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Speaker 1: And when the students were like, all right, well that's happened,

782
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: what else is there left to be threatened with?

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Speaker 2: I agree, which is what you're pointing to is And

784
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Speaker 2: this is why it was such a mistake to initially

785
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Speaker 2: send in the NYPD, because initially this is a peaceful protest.

786
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: Yes they're in violation of rules, but it was they

787
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: sent in the cops and then there was a huge backlash,

788
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Speaker 2: and then they tried negotiation, and that's a big mistake because,

789
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Speaker 2: as you said, you're suspending people, you're sending in the cops,

790
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Speaker 2: and you're kind of boxing people into a corner. But

791
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Speaker 2: then you're giving them deadlines. You're not enforcing the deadlines

792
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: because you're obviously, look, these people, they have no idea

793
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Speaker 2: what to do. They're terrified of the headline and sending

794
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: in the NYPD again and inviting a new backlash, and

795
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Speaker 2: so they kind of ratcheted up the ante. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you think about it, this is a bad analogy,

797
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: but it's like a prison, right, So it's like when

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Speaker 2: you have good behavior and then you have a violation

799
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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: I just watched that whole Unlocked thing on Netflix, but.

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Speaker 2: It's very instructive about how people feel and like, like

802
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Speaker 2: you were saying about enforcement and rules, is okay, if

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Speaker 2: you have a medium in action, you should be met

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00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: with a medium sized reasonable response. So the reasonable response

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Speaker 2: at that time would have been to do what they

806
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: did in the interim, which is meet with them and

807
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: be like, okay, guys, like what's going on here. Hey,

808
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: we have commencement in two weeks. You're all going home.

809
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: If you don't clear out, you're gonna get suspended. That's

810
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: going to be a problem, and you don't want that.

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Speaker 2: You've paid all this money. You know, we have all

812
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: this going on, and I think you know that we're

813
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: we're talking about lowering tension. But they threw the cops in.

814
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: There was a huge mistake that said. Now though, you know,

815
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Speaker 2: by box people into a corner and also kind of

816
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: both throwing the cops and then backing down, they've set

817
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: very unclear expectations, and now we have property damage and

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Speaker 2: a wholesale you know, occupation of the hall, and unfortunately,

819
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Speaker 2: I do think it's going to end in some tear

820
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Speaker 2: gas or something, and there's no other what other options

821
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Speaker 2: they have, there's no other way to clear people out.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna barricade yourself inside of the hall, Like, what

823
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Speaker 2: are you going to do? And especially if they start vandalizing,

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Speaker 2: which they already did, you know to get in there.

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Speaker 1: Well you should just you know, do what students want

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Speaker 1: you to do, which is to divest.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I know, I know, but that's.

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Speaker 3: Not gonna happen. But yeah, but why not? Unstand that?

829
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Speaker 3: But why not?

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Speaker 1: Because there was a vote Columbia barn and it was

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Speaker 1: overwhelming in favor of diving out.

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Speaker 3: But the students don't control the endowment.

833
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Speaker 1: But like, if you have faculty and students that are

834
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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly like, just do this thing, then why not just

835
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Speaker 1: do that thing?

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Speaker 4: And then you won't have.

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Speaker 1: Your whole occupied and you won't have to send in

838
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Speaker 1: the cops, et cetera. But you know, I think bottom

839
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Speaker 1: line is, like I said, these students have already been

840
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Speaker 1: kicked on school and arrested, so.

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Speaker 2: There will summary. We don't we don't really know. Here's

842
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Speaker 2: what I also would say this, don't throw your future

843
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Speaker 2: away for this.

844
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Speaker 3: I know some of these protesters. Please don't do this.

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Speaker 3: Your parents spent a lot of mine.

846
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Speaker 4: I disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: You want to get your spell if they're like, what

848
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: are you going to do?

849
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Speaker 1: These are people who have agency and who feel like

850
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: they're standing against the genocide and I can't.

851
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Speaker 4: I'm proud of them. I think it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Be a footnote to history. You're going to be in

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Speaker 2: some idiot long YouTube and me but who can talk

854
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Speaker 2: to you will know you're not going to have a degree.

855
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Speaker 2: You will know a bunch of money.

856
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: There are more things to achieve in life than like

857
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Speaker 1: getting your startup funded or getting hired by Wall Street.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna know.

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Speaker 3: You do you can be a teacher, you know.

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Speaker 1: These are Yes, these are young people, but they're also adults,

861
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Speaker 1: and they're also perfectly capable of making their own decisions

862
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: about what's important to them in their lives and the

863
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: way that they want to live. They're not buying into

864
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Speaker 1: this crap, this part of actually what's in my monologue.

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Speaker 1: They're not buying into this crop about the only success

866
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Speaker 1: that matters is success in terms of a capitalist marketplace.

867
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Speaker 1: They have values. Those values are important to them. They're

868
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: willing to I think it's incredibly admirable that they're willing

869
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: to sacrifice in many instances for people they don't know

870
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: and we'll never meet. Like that's extraordinary and I think

871
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: it's brave. I think they're to be commended, not scolded

872
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: for making the wrong life decisions.

873
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to scold anybody. I'm telling you I

874
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it, and you're.

875
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 4: Not doing it. You didn't do it, and it's fine.

876
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: But ten years ago, nobody remembers a fucking thing that

877
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: I said. And there's a good reason for that. You do,

878
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: but you do, no, I certainly do.

879
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 6: You do a lot.

880
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: And they will know when they're old and gray and

881
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: they look back and everyone else is pretending to have

882
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: been on the right side, they will know where they were,

883
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: and they will know what they can tell their kids

884
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: about what they do.

885
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: That's not going to feed you or your kids.

886
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, ask some of these Vietnam War people how

887
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: it all worked out for them, and what is it

888
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: nineteen that's twenty years later, So nineteen eighty eight, we

889
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: elected Reagan. You know, we had your own contra and

890
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: all that, Like, did it really make a difference what

891
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: happened to a lot of those folks? Not much petered out,

892
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: Nixon got elected. Law and order skyhigh. Murder rates most

893
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: exactly are.

894
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: Such a real it's such a clinical view of the

895
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: world though, feel like, basically nothing matters, No protest matters.

896
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: You know your genuine concern about this, you're protesting the government,

897
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: you're disrupting political speeches. Nothing you do matters, So just

898
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: like go out and get your bag. I think that's

899
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a really cynical, not nothing and disturbing

900
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: view of the world.

901
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: Not nothing matters, but a very little does matter.

902
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: Listen, here's the bottom line.

903
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: We know what will happen if these protests don't proceed,

904
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: if these kids don't risk the things that they're risking.

905
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: That again, I think they should be absolutely commended for

906
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: we know what will happen, absolutely nothing.

907
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 4: We don't know what will happen if they try.

908
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: And we've seen at least that there has been some

909
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: pressure placed on the administration, and I think that's important.

910
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: And we see globally this is another thing I have

911
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: in my monologue. We see that the people in Gaza

912
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: see them, these Palestinians and Gaza are being starved to

913
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: death and threatened with bombing, and the entire male population

914
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: and Rafa now basically threatened with execution and murder. They

915
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: see these protests and it means something to them. I mean,

916
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: not alone, is I think significant and important. And you

917
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: see the way that international problem mean you see the

918
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: way Netanyahu is kind of freaking out about the fact

919
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: that there's international pressure and these students are part of

920
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: that larger movement.

921
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 4: So, yeah, there are no guarantees here.

922
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: You're right there was a backlash to the Vietnam War protesters,

923
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: and you're right that could happen again. But we know

924
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: damn well what happens if these kids do nothing, and

925
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: that is the status quo perseveres Palestinians are probably you know,

926
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: kick down on their land altogether, continue to be murdered,

927
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: continue to be slaughtered. We know that's what happens. If

928
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: they don't protest. They think there's a chance they could

929
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: change something, and I applaud them for doing it.

930
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: They may be right. I think they're wrong.

931
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: I think it's a misreading of history and of power

932
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: and of how that all works. Now again, I'm I

933
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: would take it back. I don't want to scold people.

934
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: I would only give you some advice that when you're

935
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: very young, it can be really easy to get caught

936
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: up and whatever the current thing of the day is.

937
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think back from twenty twelve or whatever,

938
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: when whenever I was in college, Daca, that was a

939
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: big one. All right, people, Mars or Doca. Oh, this

940
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: was all over. Sorry, you know, look it ended up

941
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: working out nothing like I'm just I'm just asking people

942
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: to have a little bit of historical literacy and to

943
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: be mindful that actions are gonna have consequence. Now you're

944
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: an adult, you do whatever you want to do, and

945
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: I support your right to do that. And I've spoken

946
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: here openly I support people's right to protest and all that.

947
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: I would just caution folks to not get caught up

948
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: and to think, you know, this ain't nineteen sixty six

949
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: and sell ma Alabama and all that. And there's too often,

950
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: you know, lack of thinking about these consequences. Let's think

951
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: back to BLM. I mean, people took to the streets.

952
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: They thought this was going to be a revolution. What's

953
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: the actual lasting consequence? You almost got Donald Trump reelected.

954
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: You know, you have a sky high murder rate. Nothing

955
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: change in terms of police action. So I hope you

956
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: felt better. But like that's pretty much it, you know.

957
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: I mean, and a bunch of grifters got to buy

958
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: mansions in Los Angeles, like you didn't change.

959
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: You're just arguing for, like, give up.

960
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 3: No, I mean, that is your understand.

961
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: That is what you're arguing. Give up, don't try, don't bother.

962
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: If you care about something, you know what, keep your

963
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: mouth shut, stay home and go get your bag.

964
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: That's what you're arguing for.

965
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: And I think, listen, the reality is, we know how

966
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: hard it is to have our democracy actually reflect what people.

967
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 4: Want in the will of the people.

968
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know why you're even doing what you're

969
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: doing here and caring about politics. If you think, then

970
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: nothing ever matters and nothing ever changes. Obviously, we've had

971
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: protest movements in our history that have mattered, have changed.

972
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: We can look back at LGBTQ rights in the very

973
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: recent past, where there was an organized movement and there

974
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: was protests, and guess what change came and it mattered,

975
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: and it happened the Black Lives Matter protest situation. I

976
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: think part of what happened there and led to a

977
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: backlash that you're right, absolutely nothing changed is number one

978
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: the co optation, as you said by Grifter's. Number two,

979
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: the lack of any sort of like organized specific demands,

980
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: and number three the fact that in direct contrast to

981
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: these protests you actually had real widespread violence and property

982
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: destruction and damage.

983
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 4: You have not had that here.

984
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: I totally agree and I commend these people. I said

985
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: it from the beginning. I'll explain then you know why

986
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: am I sitting here Because I want to convince people

987
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: and understand how power really works in this country and

988
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: the ways in which it can change.

989
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: So let's think about the Civil rights era.

990
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: There's a great series of books called The Parting of

991
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: the Waters is three three series.

992
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: I highly recommend people read it.

993
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: A misreading of history is I think that Martin Luther

994
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: King Junior in the cell Alabama March is the only

995
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: thing that mattered, and it's totally wrong. LACP working with

996
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: Lyndon Johnson and with the US Senate over a period

997
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: of twenty five years in the legislative process, using and

998
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: using the protest movement and then specifically co opt and

999
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: hit the powers of center that mattered, actually resulted in

1000
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act on top of

1001
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: the assassination of John F.

1002
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: Kennedy.

1003
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: It was the perfect moment for it to actually be

1004
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: able to come through. That's how it worked, right. So

1005
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: it's not just taking to the streets. Now, I'm not

1006
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: going to diminish the people who took the streets, right,

1007
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: but they're not actually the ones who really changed anything. Well,

1008
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: it was Lbjr. And it was the people that were

1009
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: Hubert Humphrey and all the cocktail.

1010
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: What they didn't matter.

1011
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it mattered a.

1012
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: Lot less than the NAACP and then Lyndon Johnson, Hubert

1013
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: Humphrey and the leaders.

1014
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: But you're pretending like what's happening on Columbia is the

1015
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: only thing happening in the entire country. I mean, again,

1016
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: this movement has already won the argument. This movement has

1017
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: already dramatically changed public opinion, especially in terms of young people.

1018
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: This movement has made it.

1019
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: But for the first time, you know, Canni's like Summer

1020
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Lee can actually be out and out oppositional to critical

1021
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: of Israel and Apec didn't even try to defeat her

1022
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: because they knew she was.

1023
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: Too strong, she was gonna win.

1024
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: For the first time, there is actual political weight on

1025
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: the side of the Palestinians where it's only been on

1026
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: one side previously. So those are all changes that are

1027
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: being made. And by the way, as I said, this

1028
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: is not the only thing that's happening. You also have

1029
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: organizations that are forming, that have formed, that are designed

1030
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: to put money on the other side of the equation.

1031
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Organized on the other side of the equation, you have

1032
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: unions that have gotten involved, who have come out in

1033
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: favor of ceasefires and putting their organizational weight in might

1034
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: behind it. So to pretend like this is the only

1035
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: thing that's happening, and so you know, so it's not

1036
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: going to matter. To pretend that protests just haven't ever

1037
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: mattered in history. I just think that that is I

1038
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: think it's preposterous. I think it's nihilistic, and I just

1039
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: think it's ASTiP.

1040
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: I don't think that it doesn't matter.

1041
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: I think that it is part of a broader hole,

1042
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: and I would encourage people to not overestimate what part

1043
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: of one is and underestimate the life. I completely agree

1044
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: with you on the Union part, on the Congress part,

1045
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: and that you know, why do we spend so much

1046
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: time here? That shit really does matter? Like who really

1047
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: votes for x Y? You know A to Ukraine? Why

1048
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: do you think we spend so much time here? Or

1049
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: I care so much about Congress and the way that

1050
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 2: Ukraine ad matters and explaining all this shit about parliamentary

1051
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: procedure because that's the stuff that really governs our lives,

1052
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: like me taking to the streets and if I started

1053
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: an anti Ukraine war protest, which I would love to

1054
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: participate in, if anybody ever wants to let me know

1055
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: the next one that is happening, it's matter, But that's

1056
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: my point. It wouldn't do anything. It actually wouldn't do anything. No,

1057
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: if I spend all my time here and I win

1058
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: the argument and I try and work, you know, pressure

1059
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: lawmakers to actually do something that's going to be a

1060
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: little bit different, and explaining to the people here about

1061
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: how some of that stuff works and to the limited

1062
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: extent that we actually have a check in our huge

1063
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: democratic system, that is a real understanding. I think of

1064
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: kind of how the power works. Again to when you're

1065
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: twenty one years old, you don't have any power regardless.

1066
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is probably your best bet in terms

1067
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: of participating in the whole. I am only saying you

1068
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: should also think about your future and what it's like

1069
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: in the you know, in a way, it's a little

1070
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: bit nihilistic to think that me getting expelled from school

1071
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: over participate or you know, breaking down a Hamilton Hall

1072
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: window is going to change the world. Like, I'm sorry,

1073
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: you know, the most likely outcome is that you're screwed.

1074
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Ten years from now, nobody remembers you don't have a degree,

1075
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: you got expelled, and now you're what one hundred and

1076
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars in debt. You know, I worry about

1077
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: those people too. I mean, I'm certainly how are they

1078
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: going to be able to buy a house or whatever. Actually,

1079
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: the single worst situation you can be in is to

1080
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: have no degree and all of the attendant Ivy League

1081
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Speaker 2: school debt, which none no wonder a lot of these

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Speaker 2: people are going to be in. That's just, you know,

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Speaker 2: in a way, that's nihilism as well, thinking that this

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Speaker 2: is the most important thing that's ever going to happen

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Speaker 2: in your life.

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Speaker 3: The truth is it's not. Almost by a large.

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Speaker 1: Channel for the things that you believe in, and you're

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Speaker 1: willing to bear a costs and a consequence. I think

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Speaker 1: is what we call like courage and is admirable. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: they know that there is a potential price that they

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Speaker 1: are paying. They're not stupid, quite aware of that. Their

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00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: administration of Columbia has made them quite aware of that.

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00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: The political leads, the media clause have made them quite

1094
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: aware of that. And Bill Ackman threatening to keep them

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00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: from ever being hired like that should already happen, being

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00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: doxed and smeared. Why do you think they all wear

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00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: masks at the protest?

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Speaker 4: That's why. Okay, they're very well aware of.

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Speaker 1: The consequences and they're doing it anyway, and I think

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Speaker 1: they deserve to be commended for that. If we can

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Speaker 1: move on to the next element though, to update on

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Speaker 1: what Columbia is actually doing. So, as Soccer mentioned previously,

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Speaker 1: you had a two pm deadline issued to specifically the

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Speaker 1: protesters that were in the encampment, saying listen, you need

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00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: to clear on here or we're going to clear you

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00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: out effectively. In advance of that, you can put B

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00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: three up on the screen. You actually had very moving

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00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: scenes of these people wearing the orange vest.

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Speaker 4: These are all faculty.

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Speaker 1: In these like designated vests so that they can be

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Speaker 1: clearly identified as such. And you can see quite a

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00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: number of Columbia University faculty who are linking arms here

1113
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: and surrounding the encampment to try to protect these students.

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00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: You also had a march of at least one thousand students,

1115
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: quite a number who were encircling the encampment as well,

1116
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: also in an effort to protect the students who were

1117
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: in camp there. But you know, we were watching closely.

1118
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: Two PM came and went, and there was no visible action.

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00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: There were some reports of cops outside of the university

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00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: to sort of stand and buy, but there were no

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00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: actual police action to clear out the encampment as we

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00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: had seen previously. But we did get this news put

1123
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: this up on the screen from Axios. Reportedly, Columbia did

1124
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: then start instead of using force to clear out the encampment,

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00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: they just started suspending everyone. So Ben Chang, vice president

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00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: for Communications at Columbia, confirmed suspensions had begun at a

1127
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: press briefing at five pm, three apps or hours after

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Speaker 1: the school had set that deadline. Didn't say how many

1129
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: students are going to be suspended but confirmed, they'll be

1130
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: unable to finish the semester, unable to graduate, and they're

1131
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Speaker 1: also going to be barred from entering any campus housing

1132
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Speaker 1: or academic buildings. So that is the Columbia response. I

1133
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's probably going to do anything to tamp

1134
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: down the continued protests. Korein John Pierre, Biden's press secretary,

1135
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Speaker 1: was asked about free speech rights and had this to say.

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Speaker 7: I see administration's response specifically to the use of police

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Speaker 7: force in some of these college campus protests.

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Speaker 5: You saw is at DNA University, Ohio State m LDT, Austin.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so again I'm going to be really repetitive here.

1140
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 8: Americans have the right to peace fully protest within the law.

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00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 8: That is really important here. Anti Semitism is dangerous. I know,

1142
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 8: I've seen We've seen the videos that have pretty much

1143
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 8: gone viral out there, and I can't speak to that.

1144
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: We may have more to say.

1145
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 8: About those videos once we look into that, once you know,

1146
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 8: we'd have to look into them. Just don't have anything

1147
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 8: to share beyond that.

1148
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, regardless of what, But did you know

1149
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: anti semitism is bad? Thank you for that public service announcement.

1150
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: I really appreciate. Think about this, like whether you think

1151
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: that these kids deserve to have their skulls cracked and

1152
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: thrown in prison, or whether you think that they are

1153
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: exercising their First Amendment rights and deserve to not be smeared.

1154
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: Anti Sell like this is unfolding at campuses across the

1155
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: country and this is all you have to say about it.

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Speaker 4: It's so pathetic.

1157
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: And she basically says she's not aware.

1158
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Speaker 2: I mean, in a certain sense, I don't really want

1159
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: the White House to be involved in Colombia, Like we

1160
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 2: can have it a couple of ways. Yeah, the White

1161
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the federal government shuld have nothing to

1162
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: say about what's going on Columbia. That should be a

1163
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: matter at Columbia as a private university, and it's a

1164
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: private place. As long as the First Amendment rights are protected,

1165
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't really give a shit. You know, private university

1166
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: can do whatever they want now. At the same time, though,

1167
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: we live in the age where everybody has to have

1168
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: an opinion on everything.

1169
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Speaker 4: Well, the RKA already weighed in, right.

1170
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: And they weigh in all the time for you know,

1171
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: like some random crime or wherever if it's a transperson, right,

1172
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: they were like, oh my god, this is like the

1173
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: greatest paddic in the history of the world or something

1174
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: like that, like trans policy at the University of Ohio.

1175
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, if you're going to weigh in on that,

1176
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: then you can't really be saying, well, I'm not really aware,

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Speaker 2: but anti semitism is bad and no on this particular one,

1178
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen the videos or whatever. It's like, it's

1179
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: very selective in the way that things are. Yeah, so

1180
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: we can have it both ways. I prefer the former,

1181
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Speaker 2: but you guys have chosen this.

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Speaker 1: And well, here's the thing. I mean, many of these

1183
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: institutions are public universities. It's not like it's only columb

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Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, U see Austin, We're talking

1185
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Speaker 1: about Virginia, Tag. We were talking about all sorts of

1186
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Speaker 1: public university state schools across the country where there are

1187
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Speaker 1: First Amendment rights have to be respected. So in that way,

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00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: it really is a federal government issue. And then also

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Speaker 1: it's so hypocritical with all their like democracies on the

1190
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: ballot and Trump's authoritarian whatever, and you're watching this unfold

1191
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: you cheered it you provide a cover for it with

1192
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: your bullshit statement smearing all these kids as anti semites,

1193
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: and now you've got nothing to say about them all

1194
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: being you know, arrested and based and tear gased at

1195
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: VCU faculty, elderly faculty, being thrown on the ground and assault.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is insane, and you're just like, yeah,

1197
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I'm not really aware any of

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Speaker 1: my next question.

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Speaker 2: Right utterly, and it is bullshit, as you and I

1200
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Speaker 2: know that these people haven't seen because they're more online

1201
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: ten times than we are, so it's like you saw it,

1202
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: of course exactly.

1203
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you have Trump making very go to B seven,

1205
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Speaker 1: you have Trump making very clear what he thinks about this,

1206
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, any sort of like free speech pretense clearly over.

1207
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: He just says, stop the protests now. So him and

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00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Greeen, Jean Pierre all on the same page

1209
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: apparently on this one. No daylight between them. You know,

1210
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: we didn't make up an element for this. But you

1211
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: have Senator Marsha Blackburn, who was another one who five

1212
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: seconds ago, oh, free speech people have to be allowed

1213
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: to descend college campuses, blah blah, blah. Now she's calling

1214
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: some students to be put on a terrorist no fly list. Okay,

1215
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: that's the sort of thing that's happening in the United

1216
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: States Congress right now, led in part by Speaker Mike Johnson,

1217
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: who had this to say recently, we're.

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Speaker 9: Looking at very seriously reducing or eliminating any federal funds

1219
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 9: at all to campuses who cannot maintain basic safety and

1220
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 9: security of true students. I mean, it sounds ridiculous to

1221
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 9: say that this is what it's come to, but that's

1222
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 9: what we're looking at. We're looking at some other things

1223
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Speaker 9: as well. I mean, if you're a foreign student here

1224
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 9: and you're participating in this madness, you don't have a

1225
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Speaker 9: right to do that. Maybe your visa should not be extended,

1226
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 9: Maybe it should be revoked if you're going to threaten

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Speaker 9: your own classmates here or come here for that purpose.

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Speaker 1: So we've got yesterday we covered Richie Torres and Mike

1229
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Speaker 1: Lawler the Columbia Acts. They want to install anti Semitism

1230
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Speaker 1: monitors to make sure no one is saying a rally

1231
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: chant that they don't like at schools and threaten their

1232
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: federal fundation if someone says something somewhere that is unacceptable

1233
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Speaker 1: to Benjamin Nett.

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Speaker 4: Yahoo.

1235
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Speaker 1: Now you've got Mike Johnson also threatening federal funding and

1236
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: student visas for any foreign students who are participating in

1237
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: protests that they don't like or are participating in wrong think.

1238
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: And you've got Marsha Blackburn saying put these kids on

1239
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Speaker 1: the no fly list. I mean, it's extraordinary. You know,

1240
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Speaker 1: I should have predicted it because we both knew both

1241
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: sides were posture about free speech like Republicans. We knew

1242
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: they were posturing about like pretending to care about as

1243
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: long as it didn't conflict with their values. It would

1244
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: take an issue like this where there's such elite bipartisan

1245
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: consensus effect, Yes for the full crackdown, because it's exactly

1246
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: like you know, Poster Rock War and Patriot Act. It's

1247
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: when they agree and they use the full force of

1248
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: the federal government to enforce their elite consensus, that's when

1249
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: things get the ugliest.

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Speaker 3: No, it's terrifying.

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: The no fileists in particular is nuts. I'm currently re

1252
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: listening to our listening to the latest season of Cereal.

1253
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: I actually highly recommend it. It's about the Guantanamo Bay

1254
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: and just putting myself back in time fifteen years ago,

1255
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: You're like, oh yeah, this country lost is freaking mine

1256
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: and this was wild stuff in terms of what we

1257
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: allowed in terms of the the Fourth Amendment rights and

1258
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: just so many ways in which we bridge that gap.

1259
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: We don't need to be going back there. No fly

1260
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: lists are completely unconstitutional. They shouldn't even exist in the

1261
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: first place. The implementation of this was a huge disaster

1262
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: in any US that is in place on a no

1263
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: filist for participating in a protest against foreign government is

1264
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: as Unamerican as it gets. The only thing I'll say is,

1265
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: don't threaten me with a good time in terms of

1266
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: provoking federal funding from Ivy League universities, because if that's

1267
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: what it takes, then they're all going to burn to

1268
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Speaker 2: the ground and I'm not going to be all that

1269
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: upset about it. I do agree, though, Crystal, as we

1270
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: had talked about, if the impetus is that and if

1271
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: federal funding is contingent on being Zionist or notugh, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's a bridge too far from me. All I want

1273
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: is to see these places burn to the ground anyways.

1274
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: But it is very clear that this is a carrot

1275
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: and a stick and the big problem is that we

1276
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: all know they're not actually going to do it. Columbia

1277
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Speaker 2: will buckle, and that this will only lead to a

1278
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: morson storious environment in terms of all Ivy League universities,

1279
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: a strengthening of DEI, decrease with the First Amendment, a

1280
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: decrease really of civil rights and of equal protection for everybody.

1281
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Speaker 2: And that is why I'm going to oppose it, as

1282
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 2: you know, if that's the way.

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Speaker 1: That's going, because it's the precedent being said is we're

1284
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: going to use the full weight and force of the

1285
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: federal government to enforce a particular ideology on a school

1286
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: that's right. And whether it's this ideology or another ideology

1287
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: that is by you know, endorsed by an elite consensus

1288
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: or by whatever power party is in power, once you

1289
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: open that door, there is no walking back through.

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Speaker 4: It, as it is with the Patriot Act.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that was our look at what's happening, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of what's happening around the country, and I

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Speaker 1: think there are many more dramatic scenes to unfold between

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Speaker 1: now and graduation day, and certainly between now and the DNC.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks to sacronize a little spirited, unplanned debate.

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Speaker 1: We no longer have time to talk about housing today,

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Speaker 1: so don't worry. We'll bring in that story in the

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Speaker 1: future room and make sure we get to doctor Jillstein

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Speaker 1: on time. So let's god and move on to the

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Speaker 1: very latest with regards to Israel, because there is a

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Speaker 1: whole lot that is consequential that is happening there, in

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Speaker 1: particular the possibility of a ceasefire deal, the imminent possibility

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Speaker 1: of a RAPA invasion, and the imminent possibility of ic

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Speaker 1: C arrest warrant. And these things may seem disconnected, but

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Speaker 1: there actually are all connected. I'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: a moment, But first of all, let's listen to how

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Speaker 1: Sanctuary State Tony Blinken is talking about this potential ceasefire deal.

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Speaker 10: Moss has before a proposal that is extraordinarily, extraordinarily generous

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Speaker 10: on the part of Israel. And in this moment, the

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Speaker 10: only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a

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Speaker 10: ceasefire is a Moss. They have to decide, and they

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Speaker 10: have to decide quickly.

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Speaker 1: Oh, an extraordinarily generous offer. Wow, Wow, Let's see what's

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Speaker 1: in this extraordinarily generous offer that's been made. Put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen from the New York Times. So

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Speaker 1: the offer includes a forty day ceasefire, that's it, forty days,

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Speaker 1: and the release of potentially thousands of Palacitan prisoners in

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Speaker 1: exchange for the Israeli hostages. Apparently the big concession is

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Speaker 1: releasing Instead of releasing forty hostages, the Israeli government is

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Speaker 1: prepared to settle for only thirty three. And you know, frankly,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of reports that many of the hostages

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Speaker 1: have been killed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've been in an active.

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Speaker 1: War zone for seven months now and subject to the

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Speaker 1: same you know, siege conditions as everyone else in the

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Speaker 1: Gaza strip. So you have pretty wide distance between the

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Speaker 1: Hamas position, which is not only we want a permanent ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: not forty days, a permanent ceasefire. And this is a

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Speaker 1: critical piece too. They want people to be able to

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Speaker 1: return to northern Gaza, to whatever's left of northern Gaza,

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Speaker 1: and that's been something that the Israeli government has been

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Speaker 1: adamantly opposed to by very one sided framing here of Oh,

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Speaker 1: the whole problem.

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Speaker 4: Is with Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, these are negotiations. Both sides have to give and take.

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Speaker 1: But to present this as like extraordinarily generous and the

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Speaker 1: best offer and how could they possibly refuse Sagara, I

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Speaker 1: think is very disingenuous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the key sticking point between them is

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Speaker 2: that Israel says we're going to continue the war no

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Speaker 2: matter what, and the ceasefire is just like a temporary

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Speaker 2: thing on the way, and Hamas, of course they're trying

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Speaker 2: to use their leverage, which are hostages, and they're like, no,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna give up these hostages and then the war

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Speaker 2: just needs to end.

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Speaker 3: Period.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a huge problem in Israeli society too,

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Speaker 2: because this is how they they are. Really, what Israel

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Speaker 2: wants is to have their cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 2: They want to get their they want the hostages out.

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Speaker 2: There were huge pro you know, it's funny we cover

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Speaker 2: protests in America. In Tel Aviv they're lighting shit on

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Speaker 2: fire in the middle of the street yesterday because there's

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Speaker 2: a huge protest continuing around hostages, around the conduct of

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Speaker 2: the war and nets on Yahoo. So the big what

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Speaker 2: they want to do is they want to release all

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Speaker 2: the hostages, which releases the pressure valve and Israeli society

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Speaker 2: because then there won't be any more pressure on the

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Speaker 2: government to conduct the war or differently. But they don't

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Speaker 2: want to commit to ending the war at all. So

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Speaker 2: this is obviously the key sticking point. If I had

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Speaker 2: to guess what Blincoln and the Biden administration's theory of

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Speaker 2: the case here is is that and one I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's unreasonable is once guns stopped firing for forty days,

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Speaker 2: it's very difficult to restart the guns.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: That said, if I had to bet anybody who would

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Speaker 2: do it, I think that the Israelis would. And that's

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Speaker 2: part of the conundrum that we really face here is

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Speaker 2: that Bbe and his coalition and really Israeli society, I

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Speaker 2: think we'll be honest, they want to go into Rafa,

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Speaker 2: and they want to destroy it, and they want to

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Speaker 2: level it. America doesn't want that, you know. Biden, for

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Speaker 2: domestic reasons and for geopolitical reasons is like, hey, the

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Speaker 2: more violence that we have, the more problems I have

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Speaker 2: here at home and abroad. So we're really stuck because

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Speaker 2: we don't want this to happen period. This is a

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Speaker 2: delaying action with the hope that we can achieve some permanency,

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Speaker 2: spire or whatever. In the future, but unfortunately, I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's possible with the current Israelis on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Of the table well, and with the US unwilling to

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Speaker 1: use leverage to enforce any kind of outcome. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just like asking Boebe nicely, obviously.

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Speaker 4: Is it worked, and it's not going to work.

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Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right that there's no reason to expect

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Speaker 1: that even if they do secure this forty day cease

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Speaker 1: fire deal, Phoebe has promised, he repeatedly, just promised again,

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Speaker 1: and you were sending it to me, that we will

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Speaker 1: go into Rafa, whether there's a temporary cease fire or not.

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Speaker 4: We are going in.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that I want to point out, which we

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Speaker 1: talked about at the time, but for some reason the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media is I know what reason, but they just

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Speaker 1: chose to ignore the beginning is that hamas said, offered

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Speaker 1: almost immediately and all for all deal, all hostages in

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Speaker 1: exchange for palest to mean prisoners and the family members

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Speaker 1: of the hostages. They sort of just learned about this,

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Speaker 1: at least some of them, and are realizing like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you Bbe Night, now you've all of your talk about

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Speaker 1: your concern for the hostages This is all bullshit. This

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Speaker 1: has just been an emotional manipulation tactic because if they

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Speaker 1: were actually your number one priority, they would have been

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Speaker 1: returned already. So there's that at the same point, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to use. First of all, Rafa has taken

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Speaker 1: on this horrifying symbolic importance, both in terms of.

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Speaker 4: You know, Bob's making the case.

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Speaker 1: That the reason they haven't achieved victory yet is because

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Speaker 1: I haven't gone into Rafa and your right saga that

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Speaker 1: I think Israeli public overwhelmingly is in favor of continuing

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Speaker 1: the annihilation into Rafa, where you have one point three

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Speaker 1: million Palestinians who are sheltering right there along the border

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Speaker 1: with Egypt. This is also being used as negotiating leverage,

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Speaker 1: basically a threat of we're going to do more horrors

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Speaker 1: and atrocities in Rafa if you don't secure this you know,

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Speaker 1: limited forty day cease fire deal. And we're getting some

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Speaker 1: truly dystopian, horrifying indications of what exactly is planned for Rafa.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. So this is

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Speaker 1: according to Middle East I, Israel is planning a ring

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Speaker 1: of checkpoints around Rafa to prevent any men quote unquote

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Speaker 1: military age men from fleeing the Rafa assault, So they

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Speaker 1: say here the checkpoints are designed to allow some women

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Speaker 1: and children to leave Rafa ahead of an expected Israeli offensive,

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Speaker 1: but unarmed civilian Palestinian men will likely be separated from

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Speaker 1: their families and remain trapped in Rafa during an expected

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Speaker 1: Israeli assault. Previously unreported disclosure of Israel's construction of a

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Speaker 1: ring of checkpoints around Rafa underscores how Israel's pushing ahead

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Speaker 1: with plans to attack that city, where over one million

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Speaker 1: displaced Palestinians are sheltering intents and makeshift camps. So, Sagar,

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Speaker 1: this is directly a war on men. That fits very

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Speaker 1: much with the assumption that we've seen from the Israeli government,

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Speaker 1: official policy, and frankly media buy in that if a

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Speaker 1: man was killed, if even a sixteen year old boy

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Speaker 1: was killed, they must inherently just be because they're a

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Speaker 1: man of military age, they must be a terrorist ergo,

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Speaker 1: they're a legitimate target. That's the way they have been operating.

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Speaker 1: But this is another level of codifying into their approach

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Speaker 1: that if you are a man, any man within what

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Speaker 1: we can colorably describe as military age, then you deserve

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Speaker 1: to be tortured, kidnap bombed, and ultimately killed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this has its roots in kind of counterinsurgency policy,

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Speaker 2: except what they're missing is that they didn't have any

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Speaker 2: effort to separate like non terrorists from actual terrorists. We usually,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this has done and done in the past,

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Speaker 2: for example, giving everybody opportunity to flee and then saying

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Speaker 2: anybody who remains in the city will be considered.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Basically like a free fire zone in Pauza City, right exactly.

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Speaker 2: But what they should do, what you really want to do, is,

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Speaker 2: if you actually wanted to do this, you separate the

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Speaker 2: male population from the terrorist population.

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Speaker 3: Now if that sounds easy, and it's not easy.

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Speaker 2: It does require a lot of death, but it also

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Speaker 2: requires actually using your military and putting them at risk,

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Speaker 2: which is something that you know, it's been a while

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Speaker 2: since we've seen Israelis engage in active combat like actually

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Speaker 2: on the ground.

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Speaker 3: They're just not willing to do it.

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Speaker 2: They're just basically willing to take as many civilian casualties

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Speaker 2: as possible while keeping their own men safe. Now, in theory,

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Speaker 2: you would be like, well, why wouldn't anybody do that, Well,

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Speaker 2: America didn't do that in the Iraq War and in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 2: You can have plenty of criticisms of our military, but

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Speaker 2: people extraordinary measures and many American lives were lost specifically

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Speaker 2: to try and prevent situations like this from happening, which

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Speaker 2: is basically just everybody is declared, you know, free fire zone.

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Speaker 2: There are may be very limited instances, but commanders and

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Speaker 2: the overall eth those of the military is that is

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Speaker 2: not the way that you can fight in a country

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Speaker 2: which you're occupying with a huge you know, millions and

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Speaker 2: millions of people that are there, including millions of men.

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Speaker 2: In this scenario, they're basically just putting all that aside

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Speaker 2: and engaging in whatever they would want. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's just going to be further evidence, you know, against

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Speaker 2: them and their lack of really in their lack of

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Speaker 2: willingness to fight as a.

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Speaker 3: First world military.

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Speaker 2: There are no first world military on Earth that would

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Speaker 2: ever fight this way period.

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Speaker 3: I feel very comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Saying that many people are putting out that part of

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Speaker 1: what led the ICJ to conclude that Sir Berncia was

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Speaker 1: a genocide was the all out slaughter of men. Eight

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Speaker 1: thousand men who were murdered. They are very similar like

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Speaker 1: their men, So we're going to kill them, and we're

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Speaker 1: just going to assume their military age. There was also

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Speaker 1: a motive of quote unquote revenge that was offered as justification.

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Speaker 1: There so a lot of historical echoes. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this is this is deeply chilling. And the reason I

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Speaker 1: say that the media has been complicit in allowing this

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Speaker 1: framework is I mean both in terms of they're just

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Speaker 1: overall coverage, but the way they have assumed from the

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Speaker 1: beginning that okay, any casualties, any deaths outside of the

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Speaker 1: women and children, we're just going to assume, according to

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government, that these are Hamas militants who are

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Speaker 1: legitimate targets by the allowance of the really military to

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Speaker 1: operate in such a way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is.

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Speaker 1: Part of why the IDF murdered their own hostages, both

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Speaker 1: because they were they were men and because they were

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Speaker 1: in this you know, kill zone where they just assume

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Speaker 1: anyone who's still there must be a Hamas militant. And

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Speaker 1: so this is the part of the way that you've

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Speaker 1: ended up with these overwhelming civilian casualties So in any case,

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: RAFA is being used both as a political tool for

1505
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: Phoebe to hold on to power and say victory awaits

1506
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: if we just go in and destroy RAFA. It's also

1507
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: being used as a bargaining chip in terms of these

1508
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: ceasefire negotiations. I wanted to just put this up on

1509
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: the screen so people know what's going on, just in

1510
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: terms of how Hamas is positioning themselves. Is this another

1511
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: thing that you know is unlikely to be covered by

1512
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: many mainstream outlets. So you had a Hamas official who

1513
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: was saying, actually that they would lay down their arms,

1514
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: they would demilitarize if you established a Palestin Union state

1515
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: along the nineteen sixty seven borders. This isn't the first

1516
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: time they're saying it. But you know, then you can

1517
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: think that they're not serious. I think that's entirely legitimate

1518
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, but you can't take their word

1519
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: for it. But you do have Benjamin Natanya who very

1520
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: clearly like, we will never allow Palisinian state and I'm

1521
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: opposed to it with every five from my being. And

1522
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: you do have the Hamas people saying, actually, we will

1523
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: lay down our arms and accept to state solution. Which

1524
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: is contrary to their more genocidal rhetoric from the past.

1525
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: So make of that what you will. Let me put

1526
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: this next piece up on the screen, because this is

1527
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: also incredibly important and connects together potential ceasefire RAFA and

1528
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: ICC arrest warrants. Apparently, the US and their allies are

1529
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: basically threatening the ICC that if they do issue arrest

1530
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: warrants for the Israelis, then we're gonna we're going to

1531
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: blow up the piece. They're not going to be any

1532
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of truths. There's not gonna be any kind of

1533
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: even temporary ceasefire. So this is you know, what was

1534
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: described as a quiet diplomatic effort, it's really just a threat.

1535
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: It's like basically threatening, can tinue the slaughter of Palestinians

1536
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: if they dare actually issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and

1537
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: others and Sagar. There's been obvious total hypocrisy with regard

1538
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: to the ICC, you know, and they're issuing arrest warrants

1539
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: for Russia that we were, well, thank you for doing

1540
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: a great job. This is incredibly important now when it's

1541
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: our great friends the Israelis who have listened. Just by

1542
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: the numbers, the slaughter has been vastly greater from the

1543
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 1: Israelis visavi the Palestinians in a much shorter period of time.

1544
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: Now this is illegitimate, and we have to take actions.

1545
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: And you've got you've got members who are threatening Members

1546
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: of Congress who were threatening to pass legislation to target

1547
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: the ICC and retaliation. You got the Wall Street Journal

1548
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: editorial board threatening some sort of you know, retaliation against

1549
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: the ICC. So very different response when it comes to Israel.

1550
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: It didn't work out so well, did it. Whenever a

1551
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: year ago it was genocide at Boucha, whenever, like fifty

1552
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: people were killed. But now they're like, oh no, we

1553
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: can't be used. It's just so ridiculous. Shows you the

1554
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 2: US policy, by the way, which I oppose these things

1555
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: in the first place. Let's go and put this up

1556
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is my personal favorite pet peeve,

1557
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: the US military peer in Gaza. You guys, remember it

1558
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 2: was supposed to have been built by now, it's supposed

1559
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 2: cost about one hundred.

1560
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: Fifty million dollars.

1561
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: Well now it's actually scheduled to be built late and

1562
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: it will cost about three hundred and twenty million dollars.

1563
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: Could have predicted three hundred and twenty million dollars and

1564
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 2: pictures are now coming out. You know, I would note

1565
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 2: Crystal that the Port of Baltimore is not yet fully functional,

1566
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 2: but apparently we have all the money in the world

1567
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 2: to build a humanitarian aid peer which is going to

1568
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: put American troops at risk off the coast of Gaza.

1569
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: When the easiest thing that you could do is to

1570
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: just be like, hey, is real, this le's to my

1571
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 2: aid in there, you know, by road that seems like

1572
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: a lot keeper and a lot easier for US.

1573
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: Thousands miles and miles of trucks right backed up at

1574
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: these best worts, you don't need a They did actually

1575
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: start construction on the pier, by the way, We did

1576
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: see some movier started today.

1577
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1578
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're already like basically the deadline for when they

1579
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: said the thing would be complete. But yeah, the obvious

1580
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: answer is let in the trucks that are lined up

1581
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: at the border. You can use a little bit of

1582
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: US pressure and leverage to make that happen instead of

1583
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: this whole peer debacle, which I think it's worth once

1584
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: again mentioning that BB floated, Hey, maybe we'll use this

1585
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: peer to help with our ethnic cleansing program and help Palestinians,

1586
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: help them voluntarily migrate out of the territory that we

1587
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: utterly bombed, ucimated, destroyed, and left unfit to have to

1588
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: live in.

1589
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 3: Just ridiculous, totally ridiculous.

1590
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is just some of the best TV that

1591
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 2: you can watch. Professor John Meersheimer, who have been trying

1592
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: to get on the show for quite a long time.

1593
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 3: So Professor, if you do hear this, we would love

1594
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: to have you.

1595
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: Personal hero and inspiration of mine, joined Piers Morgan for

1596
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 2: an interview and there was a clash of ideologies like

1597
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 2: one that you've never seen here. You basically seeo liberal

1598
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: neo conservatism personified in Piers Morgan is John Meerscheimer with

1599
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,919
Speaker 2: utter realism, and you tell me which comports more with reality.

1600
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

1601
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 11: You want to remember that if you look at what's

1602
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 11: happening in the conventional war, it looks like Putin's going

1603
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 11: to win. Despite the fact that we've now passed this

1604
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 11: large scale arms package for Ukraine, Putin is likely to win.

1605
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 12: Why is that not a terrible thing for America and

1606
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 12: the West.

1607
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 11: Because you have to prioritize the threats that you face

1608
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 11: in the world. And the fact of the matter is

1609
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 11: that what happens in Ukraine does not matter that much

1610
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 11: to the United States. I know, for people like you,

1611
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 11: this is a life and death matter. The thought of

1612
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 11: any country on the planet that the West defends losing

1613
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 11: is a major defeat and has catastrophic consequences. I mean,

1614
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 11: you felt this way about US pulling out of Afghanistan,

1615
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,919
Speaker 11: but I think that places like Thatistan, places like Ukraine,

1616
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 11: don't matter that I didn't really I felt with Afghanistan

1617
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 11: America should have kept a small military presence there to

1618
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 11: maintain some kind of order.

1619
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 12: And I think I was justified in saying that given

1620
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 12: what's happened, since I thought throwing the country back to

1621
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 12: the Taliban was a catastrophic error of judgment, and it

1622
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 12: wouldn't have happened in the way it's happened if America

1623
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 12: kept a couple of thousand troops there, as it does

1624
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 12: all around the world in endless bass. So it seemed

1625
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 12: to me, having done many, many years of hard work

1626
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 12: in Afghanistan as a response to nine to eleven, to

1627
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 12: then simply just overnight throw everybody out and leave the

1628
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 12: country to the Taliban, particularly for women's rights, never mind,

1629
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 12: nothing else I thought was an abrogation of America's duty

1630
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:41,919
Speaker 12: and the UK.

1631
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 11: Right. But this is your worldview, which is the United

1632
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 11: States has a responsibility to be everywhere and.

1633
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 12: Everywhere, but it should certainly be preserving freedom and democracy. Otherwise,

1634
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 12: why self style yourself as leader of the free world?

1635
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 12: A leader of the free world, and America still has

1636
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 12: I think half the world's military firepower, I'm obviously one

1637
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 12: of the biggest economies. You either are that entity leader

1638
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 12: of the free world or you're not. And if you are,

1639
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 12: then what comes with that is a responsibility to protect

1640
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 12: freedom and democracy when it comes under attack from tatalitarian regimes,

1641
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 12: I would think.

1642
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 11: I think if you look at the history of American

1643
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 11: foreign policy, it's very hard to make the case that

1644
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 11: our principal goal has to bend to protect freedom and democracy.

1645
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 11: The United States has a rich history of overthrowing democracies

1646
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 11: around the world, and we have a rich history of

1647
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 11: siding with some of the world's biggest dictators. So this

1648
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 11: idea that we're out there protecting freedom and democracy and

1649
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 11: it's our principal goal, in my opinion, doesn't mesh with reality.

1650
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 4: Very diplomatically, I love him so much.

1651
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: He is such an old He's been on it for years.

1652
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 2: You guys should read his books and his interviews. He's

1653
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: an incredible person. But what he does so effectively there

1654
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: is watch it with peers on Afghanistan. Right, He's like,

1655
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: you want to stay there forever? He's like, I don't.

1656
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I just thought, which it's a

1657
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: couple of thousand troops to protect women's rights forever, forever.

1658
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 3: Right, So what's that?

1659
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 2: And I just love He's like, well, the fact is

1660
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: that what happened in Ukraine doesn't matter very much to

1661
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: the United States. And this is the thing that what

1662
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: John gets at the most is that this can sound

1663
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: cold blooded, but in practice it's more moral because when

1664
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: you don't cast yourself as the freedom and democracy defender

1665
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: and all of that, and you make choices that are

1666
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 2: actually in your interest in the long run, then you

1667
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: don't end up meddling in other countries and creating a

1668
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: goddamn mess that for the people that are actually over there,

1669
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 2: or like this Israel, you know thing, for example, would

1670
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: any of this even have happened if America wasn't the

1671
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: total guaranteur of Israel's security.

1672
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 3: Never in a million years, not a chance, because they

1673
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 3: would get checked by the Arab powers. Now same in

1674
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 3: Ukraine and Russia.

1675
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 2: Would we there really be this invasion? I know, I

1676
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 2: already know comment brigade is coming from me on this one,

1677
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: but I'll argue till I'm bluwing the face. The NATO

1678
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: expansion in the nineteen nineties was a horrific disaster for

1679
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: the United States to croach and encroach all the way

1680
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: up to all these Baltic states which are utterly useless

1681
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 2: to American security too. And then even just yesterday, Crystal,

1682
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: the US Ambassador to NATO, said Ukraine will be a

1683
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: part of NATO.

1684
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: The US ambassador is out there.

1685
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: But you know, even if you don't even if you

1686
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: don't accept that, right, even if you look at Putin's

1687
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: rider and you're like, listen, he's an imperialist.

1688
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 4: He wants to conquer terry. Sorry, okay, you.

1689
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: Know, even if you think that without our intervention, I

1690
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: think it's ninety percent likely there would have been a

1691
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: deal at the beginning, because the Ukrainians would have looked

1692
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: at this and like there's like we have no chance here,

1693
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: we have to settle, Like it's not ideal, but we

1694
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: have to settle and we're gonna have to give some

1695
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: things up.

1696
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 4: And it is what it is.

1697
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't have, you know, again, a war and

1698
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: men of generation at least of Ukrainian men who've been

1699
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: sent to the slaughter and you know, horrors unfolding there

1700
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: and they were dragged into it by us. So, you know, we,

1701
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: you and I have a different view of the world.

1702
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: I would like us to actually like stand up for

1703
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: the values we pretend to, but to actually look at

1704
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: American history and think that we do. It's it's precious right,

1705
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: It's precious to still hold on to that view. We

1706
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: literally fund we are seventy three percent of the world's dictatorships,

1707
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: and you're like freedom and democracy even in Afghanistan, like

1708
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 1: the you know, the women's rights. I support women's rights. Yeah,

1709
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: but then we've got our buddies, Saudi Arabia not exactly

1710
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: like feminist icons over here, and we're happy to fund them.

1711
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about you know, Biden's like obsessed with this

1712
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: pipe dream of normalization, and we're going to provide them

1713
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 1: with security guarantees in exchange for them normalizing relations with Israel,

1714
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: like get on of here with your idea that we're

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Speaker 1: protecting freedom and democracy around the world. Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's just utterly preposterous. It's never been more

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01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: preposterous than it is right now when you see what

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Speaker 1: we're enabling and encouraging and funding and supplying these railings

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Speaker 1: to do to the Palestinians in direct contravention of the

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Speaker 1: international law that we pretended to support when it came

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Speaker 1: to Russia.

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Speaker 2: That's part of what I'm saying. That's why I won't

1723
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 2: eve want to pretend anymore. I'd be like America, this

1724
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: was good for America. You know what we care about

1725
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabian we deal with these barbarians is because we

1726
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: want oil. That's it, period. That's you know, let's be all,

1727
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: let's all be honest. Qatar, same deal, natural gas. It's

1728
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 2: the second amount of natural gas we're going to do

1729
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 2: trade with you, period.

1730
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Speaker 3: And the story.

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: Let's just stop, because that's what opens up the gateway

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Speaker 2: to Oh now we've got to deploy US military assets

1733
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: to dive so that Talibans, that girls in Cobble can

1734
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 2: go to school.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous.

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01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just this is exactly what drove me

1737
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: crazy about the entire thing. When you don't pretend, as

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01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I said, it leads to better outcomes. I mean, as

1739
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: look at what up in Afghanistan. Hour we propped people

1740
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: up and then we fell down. We wasted a hundred

1741
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: billion dollars people. If it worked out for them, it's

1742
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 2: been a terrible outcome. It would have been better if

1743
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: we left them to sort it out for themselves.

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01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 3: And same with the Israelis.

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 2: If Israelis actually have to deal with this Jewish homeland,

1746
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, post nineteen seventy eight, that they have to

1747
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: defend against the Arabs, what do you think you're going

1748
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 2: to do? You're going to have diplomacy with your neighbors. Now,

1749
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 2: everyone says that that's completely impossible. People can deal with anything,

1750
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: even when they hate each other. Yes, sometimes it will

1751
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: lead to war, but the instinct of survival whenever you

1752
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: have two relatively equal, you know, military powers.

1753
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 3: Look at the Egyptians in the Israelis, it's lasted for decades.

1754
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 3: They're not stupid.

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01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't like each other necessarily, but they're like, look,

1756
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 2: we don't want to kill each other anymore. It's all good,

1757
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: shake hands and we'll just divide this thing up. That's

1758
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 2: a model for how actual balance works. So this is

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Speaker 2: my case for Professor Meerscheimer's view of the world. It's

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01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: considered a moral but I actually really believe it leads

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01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: to a more stable international system. So anyway, I really

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Speaker 2: enjoy the interview. I encourage people to go and to

1763
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, it's very revealing, an interesting.

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01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 3: Exchange, Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

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01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Liberal Zionists appear to be going through some things right now.

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01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: They don't want to totally accept bb Nannya who's framing

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01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: of college kids as literal Nazis, But they can't just

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Speaker 1: accept that perhaps these students protesting the murder of Palestinian

1771
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: civilians might have a little bit of a point. They're

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01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: also not ready to one hundred percent co signed Jonathan

1773
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Speaker 1: Greenblatt of ADL's assertion that student protesters are Iranian proxies Akinda,

1774
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Hezbla or Hamas. But they would also like to try

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01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: to undermine the protesters in their own special way, because

1776
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: to admit that these are genuine humanitarian protesters would be

1777
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: to force a hard reckoning for these individuals who see

1778
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: themselves as virtuous and like to imagine that they would

1779
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: have stood alongside past protest movements against past injustices. But

1780
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: the current protests can't really be against injustices, right. Can't

1781
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: be that college kids are genuinely horrified by kids being

1782
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: blown apart and rushed under rubble. Must be something else, right,

1783
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: But what could that something else be. That's where things

1784
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: get really interesting and the mental gymnastics get really wild.

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: So let's start with this one. Professor Scott Galloway, Don Lemon,

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01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: and Bill Maher. They got together last weekend to offer

1787
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: their insightful analysis of exactly what's going on here now.

1788
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: For Lemon and mar opposing genocide, it's just a fad

1789
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: that all the kids, cool kids are into. Galloway had

1790
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: a bit of a more unique take, though. Take a listen.

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Speaker 13: Part of the problem is young people aren't having enough secks,

1792
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 13: and so they go on the hunt for fake threats.

1793
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 13: And the most popular threat throughout history. Type into google

1794
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 13: anti Semitism and pick your century and you're going to

1795
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 13: find it. A Jewish girl onna way to get a

1796
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 13: manicure is not your mortal lenoma.

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Speaker 3: Stop it for God's.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: College kids they're just not having enough sex, so they

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Speaker 1: became rabid anti semites. In response, do you people realize

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01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: how insane you sound? Yeah, I'm sure if they were

1802
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: just getting laid more often, they stopped caring about babies

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01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: who are starving to death, that must be the real

1804
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: issue here. Galloway, by the way, seems to apply this

1805
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: sex analysis to all kinds of things that young people

1806
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: are into. I remember distinctly how he berated young men

1807
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: for bidding up game stop rather than trying to get

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: laid peers. This is kind of a whole ideology for them,

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01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: and is deployed every time the youths do something that

1810
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: he can't quite explain or wrap us head around. Meanwhile,

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01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: Sann's Freed Zakaria, he had a somewhat jettler version of

1812
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: Galloway's take, wrote an entire column for CNN wrestling with

1813
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: why it is that college campuses have become a center

1814
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: of protest that's never happened before. For for Reid, it's

1815
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: not because students are horrified by their tax dollars being

1816
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: used to drop two thousand pound bombs on refugee camps,

1817
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: or because of a backlash to the authoritarian crackdown on

1818
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: those protesting these atrocities. It's really because these students are lonely,

1819
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: and a piece titled why the Gods of War has

1820
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: spun campuses into chaos, he writes, it's difficult to know

1821
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: what to make of the turmoil on college campuses these days,

1822
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: the protests, polarization, intimidation, and general bitterness. In a revealing

1823
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 1: article in The Wall Street Journal, higher education reporter Douglas

1824
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Belkin sets these events against a broader backdrop, the disappearance

1825
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: of a sense of community. He points to research demonstrating

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01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: that college students today are lonelier, less resilient, and more

1827
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: disengaged than their predecessors. The university communities they populate are

1828
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: socially fragmented, diminished, and less vibrant. One wonders whether this

1829
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: loss of community has led to more distrust, sharper disagreements,

1830
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: and more anger. People are encountering one another at these protests,

1831
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: often for the first time, often as strangers. Zacario goes

1832
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: on to talk about ras who are upset students went

1833
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: to zoom into dorm meetings rather than go to them

1834
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: in person, and look, it's legitimate to talk about the

1835
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: erosion of community in America. We've done it too, in

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01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: general and on campus specifically. But I find it baffling

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01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: how difficult it is for so much of the liberal

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01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,959
Speaker 1: elite class to just accept many people are profoundly upset

1839
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: by children being starved and killed en Mass, I see

1840
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: this response actually all the time. Are you so emotional?

1841
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: Why do you care about this so much? I don't know,

1842
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: Maybe because I've spent the last seven months seeing kids

1843
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: being amputated on without anesthetic, bodies buried alive, still screaming,

1844
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: listening to the panicked call from a little girl named

1845
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Hind who watched her family murder and was then assassinated

1846
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: alongside her would be rescuers. What kind of a sick

1847
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: person we have to be to not be emotional about

1848
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: these things? And yes, it should be tense when you're

1849
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: interacting with those who would seek to justify those sorts

1850
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: of atrocities. To mister Zakaria, these tense and emotional reactions,

1851
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: they're actually a sign of mental health, not dysfunction. They're

1852
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: a sign of humanity, not disconnect and indifference. We're not

1853
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: done yet. Nate Silver had a phenomenal contribution to this

1854
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: weird inability to understand that young people are horrified by horrors.

1855
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: Since his brand is being the rational data guy, he

1856
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: opined that these other more impressionable human beings are just

1857
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: responding to base tribal instincts. Silver's contribution was sparked by

1858
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: the Musicans of Substack writer Philip Lemoyne, who wrote this

1859
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: on Twitter, quote, My basic model of student protests is

1860
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: that in general, students don't know shit about what they're

1861
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: testing against. They do it because it's cool, makes them

1862
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: feel like they're part of something important, and they want

1863
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: to be with their friends. In the last majority of cases,

1864
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: their beliefs on the topic are very superficial. They just

1865
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 1: repeat slogans they don't really understand. But that's not a

1866
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: problem for them because it's primarily about signaling group membership

1867
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: run loyalty to specific ideas, to which Silver replied, this

1868
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: is probably right. Most people don't form political opinions through

1869
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: deep examination of the issues or reasoning from first principles.

1870
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: It's more like picking some particular fashion label or way

1871
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: of dressing, especially for younger people who face more peer pressure.

1872
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: First of all, have any of you guys actually talk

1873
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 1: to these young people, because if you do you'll find

1874
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: many are deeply informed. In fact, plenty have a direct

1875
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: connection to the conflict themselves. Perhaps you should speak as

1876
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: Ryan and Emiley did to the women organizing at the

1877
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Colombia encampment, who is both well informed, well adjusted, and

1878
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: quite insightful. Perhaps you should speak as we did to

1879
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 1: Motas Salem, who has been confronting members of Congress and

1880
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Capital ill is now involved with GWU's campus protests. Motas

1881
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: has lost one hundred plus family members in Gaza. I

1882
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: would wager he knows a hell of a lot more

1883
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: about it than Nate Silver does.

1884
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 4: Here's the other thing.

1885
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Though liberals love to use this, it's complicated and you

1886
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: just don't understand as a dodge on Israel and Palestine,

1887
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: but it's actually not innocents.

1888
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 4: They're being slaughtered.

1889
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: You don't need a PhD in Middle Eastern studies to

1890
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: be human being who thinks that's wrong, and it is, yes,

1891
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: quite emotional about that. Posing genocide is not some cool,

1892
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: fashionable trend that kids are just jumping on to have

1893
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: fun and make friends. Do you understand, Nate Silver, These

1894
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: young people are taking tremendous risk, They're facing tremendous consequences.

1895
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Their schools are putting snipers on the roof and sicking

1896
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: cops on them. They're being pursued by private investigators and

1897
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: they're being arrested. Billionaires are dosing them and promising to

1898
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: end in their careers before they even begin. But you

1899
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: think they're just risking it all for an in group

1900
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: fad cool thing to do. Is your soul really so deadened?

1901
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: You can't even conceive of idealistic young people sincerely just

1902
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,480
Speaker 1: opposing a genocide, even if you don't think it's a genocide.

1903
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: They do, and many scholars and international bodies, by the way,

1904
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: agree with them, But you can't fathom being outraged by

1905
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: such a thing. That's us far more about you than

1906
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: it says about them. But I couldn't end without. One

1907
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite contributions to this whole discourse came from

1908
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,560
Speaker 1: this VC startup investor lady, who professed that she was

1909
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: deeply confused by all of this campus activism. She wrote,

1910
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: can I ask why do all these students from top

1911
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: schools want to be activists to begin with? Like you

1912
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: got such high grades in SAT scores, I'm surprised so

1913
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: many of you apparently want to be MLK instead of

1914
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: lead some industry. Now, books could be written about the

1915
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: mindset and ideology that would lead to such a question

1916
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: and to such confusion. It's honestly pitch perfect gen X liberalism,

1917
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: from the fixation on the high grades and SATs to

1918
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 1: the deep befuttlement at smart students wanting to emulate NLK,

1919
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: literally one of the most consequential men in all of

1920
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: American history. It's feasd to on mind that has fully

1921
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 1: embraced the notion that the only achievements which are worthwhile

1922
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: it are be found in the capitalist marketplace. Get your

1923
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: startup funded, make enough money to become an angel investor,

1924
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: wrap it all up in a female empowerment narrative to

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Speaker 1: put a nice, virtuous bow on all of it. Do

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Speaker 1: well by doing good, they said, she can't conceive of

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Speaker 1: organizing a protest movement as legitimate achievement unless it's part

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Speaker 1: of an Ivy League college admissions essay or a line

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Speaker 1: in your bio for Fordes thirty under thirty. By the way,

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Speaker 1: after being relentlessly dragged, she did delete the tweet, But

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Speaker 1: you know who's having no trouble understanding appreciating the college

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Speaker 1: campus protest movement Palston means in Gaza. In what is

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Speaker 1: a truly beautiful display. Falstonian children young adults in RAFA

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Speaker 1: held a rally to show their appreciation for the American

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Speaker 1: solid Some even spray paint in their tents with messages

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Speaker 1: like the ones that you can see here. This says,

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Speaker 1: in part, thank you students and solidarity with Gaza. Your

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Speaker 1: message has reached us. Another one directly said thank you Columbia. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you Colombia. Thank you for risking your career futures

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Speaker 1: in the hope that Palestinians might have a.

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Speaker 4: Future at all. And soccer I couldn't even put into

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Speaker 4: this monologue all and if you.

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Speaker 2: Want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a

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Speaker 2: premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Very honored to be joined this morning by Green Party

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Speaker 1: presidential candidate and activist doctor Jill Stein.

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Speaker 4: It is so great to have you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, great to.

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Speaker 7: You, mass, So great to be yes, really great to

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Speaker 7: be with you. Ball, Thanks Crystal and Slider.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. So I guess my first question for

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Speaker 1: you is just actually are you okay? Because we watch it,

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Speaker 1: we can put this up on the screen. We watch

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Speaker 1: some pretty extraordinary footage of you being assaulted with a

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Speaker 1: police officers by here and ultimately being arrested as part

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Speaker 1: of a campus protest. So maybe you could just tell

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Speaker 1: us what happened and you know what the fallout was,

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Speaker 1: and if you're doing okay.

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Speaker 7: So you know, we were at an event, a campaign

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Speaker 7: event at a public library just a couple of blocks away,

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Speaker 7: and a student several students had attended, who were you know,

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Speaker 7: really inspirational, I have to say. And afterwards one of

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Speaker 7: these students asked us to come and support their their encampment,

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Speaker 7: which we said, of course, thank you so much. You're

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Speaker 7: putting everything on the line here for all of us,

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Speaker 7: for our rights of free speech, our rights of protest,

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Speaker 7: and you know, really expressing American public horror at this

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Speaker 7: genocide that we are funding.

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Speaker 6: So we went to show support.

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Speaker 7: When we got there, I was asked, along with two

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Speaker 7: of the elected officials for Saint Louis who were also there,

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Speaker 7: some two of the older men or older women, I

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Speaker 7: guess you would say, uh, to go speak with the

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Speaker 7: administration and to see if we could help de escalate.

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Speaker 7: We tried, we you know, and they seem to back

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Speaker 7: off for a couple of hours, and then then the

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Speaker 7: students asked us to join their line at the front

1978
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Speaker 7: to see if the eyes of the world through a

1979
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Speaker 7: presidential candidate platform might discourage their worst abuses. And you know,

1980
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Speaker 7: it didn't, and you know, in some ways, I think

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Speaker 7: we may have even been targeted. My campaign manager and

1982
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Speaker 7: deputy campaign manager were also there, and we were really

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Speaker 7: assaulted with these bicycles and what you see happening in

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Speaker 7: that footage while we're practically being pushed over onto our backs,

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Speaker 7: you know, and as a person with osteoporosis, I was

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Speaker 7: not anxious to be pushed over, you know, onto my

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Speaker 7: neck and risk a neck fracture.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: In that footage right there, they are they're trying to

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Speaker 7: force us back onto the ground. That's the officer on

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Speaker 7: the right there picks up one of my feet as

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Speaker 7: we are just about to fall over backwards. He picks

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Speaker 7: up one of my feet to further destabilize me, and I,

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Speaker 7: you know, in trying to maintain my balance, I struggled

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Speaker 7: to get free and then he yelled at me that

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Speaker 7: I had just assaulted him because he was in the

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Speaker 7: way of my foot as he was toppling me backwards.

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Speaker 6: Onto my head.

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Speaker 7: So I'm now accused not only of trespassing, I think

2000
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Speaker 7: we're all accused of resisting arrest, and I'm accused of

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Speaker 7: assaulting a police officer.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're charging with you with assaulting a police officer.

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Speaker 6: Is that hysterical or what?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's outrageous, absolutely unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't believe it was pulled up in court,

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Speaker 7: but that's the way they're starting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, well, let him test it out.

2008
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Speaker 2: If anything, it will be good to publicity, I think

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Speaker 2: for the campaign right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the things we booked this before.

2011
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Speaker 2: One of the things just zooming out a little bit

2012
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Speaker 2: we want to hear from you is what are you

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Speaker 2: hoping to get out of this campig?

2014
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Speaker 3: What would your day one agenda be?

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Speaker 7: Okay, So day one agenda is picking up the phone

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Speaker 7: and calling Bibnet Yahoo and telling him that our support

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Speaker 7: has ended, you know, until the occupation is over, until

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Speaker 7: the genocidal war on Gaza is over, and until the

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Speaker 7: apartheid state is over, that Israel needs to comply with

2020
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Speaker 7: international law. So on day one, the flow of weapons stop.

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Speaker 7: It's actually illegal for the Congress to be appropriating and

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Speaker 7: the president to be transferring weapons right now.

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Speaker 6: It's a violation of US law. We should not be arming.

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Speaker 7: Uh, you know, human rights abusers, and this is human

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Speaker 7: rights abuse on steroids. So that's uh, that's number one,

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Speaker 7: you know.

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Speaker 6: Number two.

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Speaker 7: Uh, the political prisoners like Julian Nsange and Edward Snowden,

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Speaker 7: Leonard Peltier, et cetera. They go free. Also, amnesty to

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Speaker 7: those who are serving prison time for the non violent

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Speaker 7: simple possession and use and cultivation of cannabis. That's over.

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Speaker 7: We instruct the the Drug Enforcement Agency to begin addressing

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Speaker 7: substance use as a public health problem, not a criminal problem.

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Speaker 6: Those things begin.

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Speaker 7: Also, we declare an environmental emergency, a climate emergency, which

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Speaker 7: in fact we have, and that enables us to basically

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Speaker 7: stop the construction of fossil fuel infrastructure, which needs to

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Speaker 7: happen on an urgent basis, and it also unleashes hundreds

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Speaker 7: of billions of dollars to basically create jobs in the

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Speaker 7: renewable energy sector, in conservation efficiency, weatherization of homes and

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Speaker 7: school buildings, government buildings, et cetera. It enables us to

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Speaker 7: begin that transition that we urgently need to do because

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Speaker 7: the climate crisis is you know, by all signs is

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Speaker 7: actually exploding. It's sort of off the radar right now

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Speaker 7: because we're focused on you know, the human rights emergency,

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Speaker 7: you know, the blood on our screens right now, but

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Speaker 7: we do have an ongoing climate emergency as well. So

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Speaker 7: those are some of the very first things that we

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Speaker 7: could do on day one, even without the support and

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Speaker 7: consent of the Congress. But in my view, you know,

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Speaker 7: our administration would operate in a very different way from

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Speaker 7: our predecessors. The president would not simply be the commander

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Speaker 7: in chief. The president would be the organizer in chief,

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Speaker 7: enabling people to achieve those things that we need urgency urgently,

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Speaker 7: like a Medicare for all system that would save us

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Speaker 7: half a trillion dollars, by the way, just from reducing

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Speaker 7: the waste and inefficiency the paper pushing the big CEO salaries,

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Speaker 7: et cetera in our current healthcare system that wastes one

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Speaker 7: out of every three healthcare dollars instead of putting them

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Speaker 7: into health You know, the overhead in our current system

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Speaker 7: is thirty three percent. With Medicare it's three per So

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Speaker 7: there are enormous efficiencies.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: People across the political spectrum, you know, are experiencing this

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Speaker 7: incredible crisis in our healthcare system, and that's something we

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Speaker 7: can begin to meet on day one.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Seinier, obviously a veteran of many protests movements, and

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Speaker 1: I know you are regularly talking to two young people,

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Speaker 1: young student organizers, et cetera. You are you surprised at

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Speaker 1: the breadth of the protest movement? Are you surprised by

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Speaker 1: the way that you know, these these kids watching the

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Speaker 1: genocide that's unfolding with our taxpayer dollars, the way that

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Speaker 1: this has struck a nerve, and the extraordinary nature of

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Speaker 1: their response.

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Speaker 7: It really is extraordinary. And they are in fact risking everything,

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Speaker 7: you know, they are risking expulsion, They're risking homelessness. Uh,

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Speaker 7: they are risking all that they've invested into their you know,

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Speaker 7: into their education and their degrees. I am really unbelievably

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Speaker 7: impressed and inspired by how they are putting everything on

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Speaker 7: the line, you know, both for our basic American values

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Speaker 7: and our right to free speech and to protest, and they're,

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Speaker 7: you know, standing against this horrific genocide, and they're standing

2083
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Speaker 7: up for you know, what the majority of Americans feel,

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Speaker 7: what nations around the world have expressed, but the international

2085
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Speaker 7: Court of Justice has expressed they are really I think

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Speaker 7: they're expressing our highest you know, ideals as you know,

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Speaker 7: as human beings who are ultimately part of the same

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Speaker 7: civilization here, you know, And in our campaign, we you know,

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Speaker 7: we have a saying which is that as Gaza goes,

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Speaker 7: we all go. We're looking at the normalization of the

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Speaker 7: torture and murder of children on an industrial scale. This

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Speaker 7: should not be normalized. We're also looking at the destruction

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Speaker 7: of international law and human rights. So, you know, all

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Speaker 7: of us are incredibly at risk for what's going on

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Speaker 7: right now. And it's just such a tribute to the

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Speaker 7: you know, the moral fiber and the courage of these

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Speaker 7: students that they are willing to stand up and say

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Speaker 7: it stops here because they are entirely you know, in

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Speaker 7: their rights to be doing this.

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Speaker 6: You know, this is a critical issue that needs discussion.

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Speaker 7: As someone from the Jewish community myself, I am very

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Speaker 7: aware of what a rude wake up it is to

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Speaker 7: come to terms with what Zionism actually is, and you know,

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Speaker 7: and to reject Zionism is not anti Semitic, and that

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Speaker 7: is a you know, it's a really repressive mythology to

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Speaker 7: imply as such. So you know, the students are are

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Speaker 7: are undertaking a discussion that has to be had, and

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Speaker 7: this has to be had also.

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Speaker 6: On our campuses.

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Speaker 7: As someone who grew up during the Civil rights movement,

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Speaker 7: you know, in the sixties, the same thing.

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Speaker 6: Was going on.

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Speaker 7: It was very hard for people in dominant white culture

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Speaker 7: to come to terms with, you know, with essentially white

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Speaker 7: racism that part of all of our institutions, and there

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Speaker 7: were enormous efforts made to criminalize people who were raising

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Speaker 7: these issues of basic civil rights and it was a

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Speaker 7: very hard discussion. But it has to happen, and our

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Speaker 7: universities should be supporting this discussion. It's a sad commentary

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Speaker 7: on our universities that they are so dependent on the

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Speaker 7: financial support and the contracts and so forth from you know,

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Speaker 7: from the war industry and you know, Boeing, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: You know that they have all these contracts that they

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Speaker 7: are dependent on. You know, it reflects the degree to

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Speaker 7: which we've become a war economy, militarized economy, and that

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Speaker 7: has to be fixed as well.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I wanted to get your take on, ma'am,

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Speaker 2: is obviously you're not going to be the only non

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Speaker 2: bipartisan candidate two party system in the race. So what

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Speaker 2: are your thoughts on doctor Cornell West and Robert Kennedy Junior,

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Speaker 2: who presumably will be facing up against on the ballot

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Speaker 2: across in November.

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Speaker 7: That's right, you know, I think Americans deserve choices. You know,

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Speaker 7: this should be a part of our system. We should

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Speaker 7: also have ranked choice voting so that multiple candidates are

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Speaker 7: not perceived as a threat. But the reality is our

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Speaker 7: campaign is the only pro worker, anti war, anti genocide

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Speaker 7: campaign that is on track right now to be on

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Speaker 7: the ballot as a choice across the country. Doctor West,

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Speaker 7: you know, we have essentially identical agendas. But doctor West

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Speaker 7: had decided to go solo. In doing so, he gave

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01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 7: up his ballot access. He gave up what was worth

2143
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,759
Speaker 7: at the time some five million dollars of a ballot lines,

2144
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 7: because the Greens have preserved and protect their ballot lines.

2145
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 7: So we began this race with almost seventy five percent

2146
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 7: of the work done. He gave that up, and those

2147
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 7: costs have greatly inflated, I think because of the number

2148
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 7: of independent candidates now seeking ballot status, So the cost

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01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 7: of getting support has really gone up. Robert RFK will

2150
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 7: certainly be on the ballot, but we have a completely

2151
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 7: different agenda. I think, you know, in fact, there are

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01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 7: going to be three pro war, pro genocide candidates on

2153
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 7: the ballot. I hope they will split the pro war

2154
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 7: vote among them, and our campaign will be the one

2155
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 7: anti war, anti genocide choice that's on the ballot. We

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01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 7: already have, as I said, more than seventy five percent

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01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 7: of the work done, and we are well on our

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01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 7: way to completing that. Doctor West, you know, has founded

2159
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 7: a new party. They are struggling to get on the ballot.

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01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 7: They have a couple of lines mainly going through other

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01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 7: small parties, but you know, they don't really have any

2162
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 7: realistic pathway forward. To get on the ballot in California

2163
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 7: or Texas, one needs hundreds of thousands of signatures.

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01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 6: I don't think that's going to happen.

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01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 7: It's very unlikely, and we have, you know, the majority

2166
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 7: of the difficult states are already behind us.

2167
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 6: New York is where we have a you know.

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01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 7: New York past a very oppressive ballot access law really

2169
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 7: as a hidden poison pill within a budget law. In

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01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two, I think it was where they tripled

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01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 7: their requirement. It's now probably the most difficult state in

2172
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 7: the country where the requirement is for forty five thousand

2173
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 7: so called valid signatures, meaning the signature has to match

2174
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 7: exactly the registration signatures. So if your middle initial is Jane,

2175
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 7: but you put j period, your signature can be discounted.

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01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 6: People try to do that.

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01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 7: So you can't just get forty five thousand signatures. You

2178
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 7: have to try to get at least eighty or ninety

2179
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 7: thousand signatures in six weeks.

2180
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 6: This is almost impossible.

2181
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 7: But you know we are we are full more you know,

2182
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 7: attempting to do this because this is just you know,

2183
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 7: this is blatant political repression. It's an attempt to silence

2184
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 7: a political competition which is supposed to be the heart

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01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:56,560
Speaker 7: of our democracy.

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01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's weird because Democrats run New York and

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01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 1: I thought that they were saying their pro democracy and

2189
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: democracy was on the ballots.

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01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 4: So it's very strange.

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01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: We'll have to have to discuss with them what exactly

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01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:10,520
Speaker 1: is going on there. Speaking of what's going on with Democrats,

2193
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to some interesting commentary

2194
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 1: from James Carvill, who had some choice words for young

2195
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 1: people who may not be fully on board with another

2196
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: term of Joe Biden. Many young people, of course, see

2197
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: him as back in the genocide. Let's take a listen

2198
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: to what mister Carville had to say. We'll get your

2199
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 1: reaction on the other side.

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01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 14: If they get a hold, there will be no government left,

2201
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 14: there'll be no rights left, you'll live under theocracy. You'll

2202
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 14: end up Christian nationalism. But that's all right. You know,

2203
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 14: fucking twenty six year old, you don't feel like the

2204
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 14: elections in part and they they're not addressing the issues

2205
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 14: that I care about. So my advice to tell these

2206
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 14: young people to get off your motherfucking ass and go vote,

2207
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 14: because you should vote like your entire future, in the

2208
01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 14: entire future of this United States depends on it, because

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01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 14: quite frankly.

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Speaker 6: It does.

2211
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 14: And that's not an exaggeration.

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01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,600
Speaker 4: Your reaction there, doctor Stein.

2213
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 7: Well, I do agree with him that we really should

2214
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,640
Speaker 7: be voting like our lives depend on it, because in

2215
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 7: fact they do. But you know, it's an extremely anti

2216
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 7: democratic sentiment to say that people shouldn't have choices, especially

2217
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 7: when people are clamoring for choices.

2218
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 6: That's nuts.

2219
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 7: And to say that people should continue to support the

2220
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 7: parties and the candidates that have essentially thrown them under

2221
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 7: the bus is absolutely nuts. You know, we say, don't

2222
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 7: listen to what they say, listen to what they do,

2223
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 7: and what they do has been an unmitigated disaster for

2224
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 7: most working people. You know, some sixty three percent are

2225
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 7: living paycheck to paycheck. Half of all renters are economically strapped,

2226
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 7: you know, just distress, trying to keep a roof over

2227
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 7: their head, that is paying more than thirty percent, well

2228
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 7: over thirty percent in New York State. It's like fifty

2229
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 7: or sixty percent of your income just to keep a

2230
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 7: roof over your head.

2231
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 6: You know.

2232
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 7: Poles of young people show that half of half of

2233
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 7: young people describe themselves as hopeless. One quarter of young

2234
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 7: people have considered doing harm to themselves within two weeks

2235
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:17,639
Speaker 7: of the pole.

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01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 11: You know.

2237
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 7: So these are really horrific indicators about the state of

2238
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 7: our world.

2239
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 6: If we just keep you know, keep our.

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Speaker 7: Heads down and take marching orders from the political and

2241
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 7: economic elites that are doing just fine, thank you very much.

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01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 7: You know, if we continue doing as they tell us,

2243
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 7: we will continue going in this direction, which is, you know,

2244
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 7: we are in.

2245
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 6: A tailspin right now.

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01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,679
Speaker 7: It's like we're in the airplane and the engine has stopped,

2247
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 7: and that airplane is you know, it is going into

2248
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 7: a tailspin.

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01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 6: And people see what's happening.

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Speaker 7: You know, whether you look at the crushing inequality, the

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01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 7: impending ecological collapse across the board, you know, the Colorado

2252
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 7: River is about to run out of water. The Washington

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01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:01,800
Speaker 7: Post ran a night is Colorado River matter because it

2254
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 7: supplies the California agriculture system, which feeds half the fruits

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01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 7: and vegetables in the country are coming basically from the

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01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 7: Colorado River. The Colorado River is within one to two

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01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 7: years of not making it out of Lake Mead because

2258
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 7: of you know, persistent drought, and there is no Plan B.

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01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 7: The Washington Post ran a headline about a year ago

2260
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 7: that used the term. They described this as the doomsday scenario.

2261
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 7: We are in that stay scenario right now, you know,

2262
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 7: in several parameters, and you know there is no Plan B.

2263
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:37,600
Speaker 7: So we need a different way for it. We do

2264
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 7: need to vote like our lives depend on it. And

2265
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 7: anyone who suggests that they own your vote and that

2266
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 7: they are entitled to your vote should disqualify themselves right

2267
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 7: then and there from any consideration of receiving your vote,

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01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:52,959
Speaker 7: Well said.

2269
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, doctor Sigin.

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01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: Just to follow up on that, and so to sort

2272
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: of play devil's advocate here. You know, the last you

2273
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,519
Speaker 1: got blamed in twenty sixteen wrongly for helping to elect

2274
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. No doubt, if Donald Trump gets elected again,

2275
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: you're going to be part of the reason they said

2276
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: that they didn't win, that it was your fault. You know,

2277
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: you're siphoning off votes that rightly should have gone to

2278
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. And what is your response to that? What

2279
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: is your response to people who say, listen, you may

2280
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: like what doctor Stein has to say, you may support

2281
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: her opposition to genocide as one example, But at the

2282
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's either going to be Biden

2283
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:30,679
Speaker 1: or Trump.

2284
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 4: It's a binary choice.

2285
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 1: So if you're not voting for Joe Biden, you're de

2286
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 1: facto voting for Donald Trump or helping Donald Trump get

2287
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 1: back to the White House.

2288
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 7: Well, you know, to tell you the truth, I regard

2289
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 7: it as a badge of honor. You know, I consider

2290
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,839
Speaker 7: myself very powerful to have determined the outcome of elections.

2291
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 7: And beyond that, you know, I actually don't waste my

2292
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 7: time because the majority of Americans are really hurting for

2293
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:54,679
Speaker 7: something else.

2294
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 6: You know.

2295
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 7: The the numbers are off the charts right now. The

2296
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 7: Gallop Gallop does a poll every year. It's like sixty

2297
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 7: three percent now, a record high, who want another choice,

2298
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 7: who want another candidate because they feel like they have

2299
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 7: been thrown under the bus quite enough. And I usually

2300
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 7: feel like people who are you know, being good little

2301
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 7: boys and girls and parroting the propaganda of the DNC,

2302
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 7: I generally feel sorry for them, like that they are

2303
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 7: in an abusive relationship.

2304
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 6: It's an abusive.

2305
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 7: Political relationship, and you know, they need to break up

2306
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 7: with that abusive political partner. And I hope that they

2307
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 7: will come to that someday. But I don't feel like

2308
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 7: it's my responsibility to help them out of it, you know.

2309
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 7: And yes, I think Donald Trump would be a really

2310
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 7: scary president. And yes I think that Joe Biden is

2311
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 7: a really scary president.

2312
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 6: I think fascism is here right now.

2313
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 7: We're seeing it, you know, rolling out on our campuses

2314
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 7: and you know, around the country.

2315
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 6: Fascism, he's here.

2316
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 7: There is no greater trademark of fascism than genocide.

2317
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,799
Speaker 6: I think we've got that now, you know, we've.

2318
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,559
Speaker 7: Got oodles of fascism around us, and I think that

2319
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:03,679
Speaker 7: solution to fascism is democracy. It's not the suppression of

2320
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 7: you know, our political views and our political debates. We

2321
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 7: have to stand up and assert our democracy. If people

2322
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 7: are concerned about vote splitting, which I must say is

2323
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:16,120
Speaker 7: not supported by the facts, the facts suggest that nearly,

2324
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 7: you know, like two thirds of our votes are coming

2325
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,919
Speaker 7: from people who otherwise won't vote.

2326
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 6: They just won't. And right now that is off the charts.

2327
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 7: If you look at, for example, the New York State

2328
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 7: Democratic primary about three weeks ago, there was a twelve

2329
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 7: percent so called uncommitted, but there was an eighty three

2330
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:37,200
Speaker 7: percent no show, eighty three percent relative to the numbers

2331
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 7: who came out for Joe Biden in twenty twenty at

2332
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 7: a time when the race was already decided. You know,

2333
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,160
Speaker 7: it's not like, oh, you know, it was an active

2334
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 7: race back then. No, it wasn't. It had already been settled.

2335
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:52,560
Speaker 7: Joe Biden had been coronated. But people were participating in

2336
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 7: the Democratic Party. Now they are not, you know, now

2337
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 7: they are basically voting with their feet. So, you know,

2338
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,759
Speaker 7: I think this is we need to sees the moment

2339
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 7: here because we're all kind of going over the cliff

2340
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 7: right now.

2341
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 6: You know, in whatever to mension you want to look at.

2342
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:09,679
Speaker 7: We're in really bad shape and we need to take

2343
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 7: back the reins of our democracy, you know, take back

2344
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 7: the promise of our democracy and have debate and dialogue.

2345
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 7: You know, and to your credit, breaking points is one

2346
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 7: of the few places where that debate has had.

2347
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 6: This needs to be the norm, not the exception.

2348
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 10: You know.

2349
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 7: We need anti trust laws enacted against our corporate media.

2350
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 7: We need the Internet and social media to be regulated

2351
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 7: as a public utility, not you know, the playground for

2352
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 7: billionaires to kind of do what they want in collaboration

2353
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 7: with you know, government security agencies behind the scenes, you know,

2354
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 7: censoring our discussion. We need to re establ you know,

2355
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 7: we need to get money out of politics and have

2356
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 7: publicly funded elections at a cost that could be massively

2357
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 7: reduced if we are in fact using the public airwaves

2358
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:03,440
Speaker 7: for public purpose. We can have publicly funded elections without

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Speaker 7: having this legal you know, this legalized bribery, which is

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Speaker 7: essentially how our elections are run right now, you know.

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Speaker 7: And then money pouring into our elections now, particularly through

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Speaker 7: undisclosed vehicles using either super PACs or dark money which

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Speaker 7: can contribute to super PACs you know, through the Democratic

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Speaker 7: Party now or the Republicans using this this institution called

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Speaker 7: Victory Funds, which I think was started by the Clinton

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Speaker 7: campaign in twenty sixteen, a single donor can write a

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Speaker 7: check for over six hundred thousand dollars a single donor,

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Speaker 7: and it basically gets you know, gets laundered and comes

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Speaker 7: back to a single campaign and a single candidate, which

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Speaker 7: enables you know, single donors with deep pockets to have

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Speaker 7: inordinate influence on our political institutions. This is you know,

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Speaker 7: this has everything to do with why they are completely

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Speaker 7: sold out and incapable of serving the American people. In

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Speaker 7: the Green Party, we do not take corporate packs. We

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Speaker 7: don't take we don't sanction super packs, we don't countenance them,

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Speaker 7: and we you know, we dissapow any super pac. You know,

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Speaker 7: we work by the rules. You know, we are a

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Speaker 7: small donor campaign. I think our average donation is somewhere

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Speaker 7: around ten or fifteen dollars. You know, that's that needs

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Speaker 7: to be the norm and not the exceptions, so that

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Speaker 7: you know, we're in this situation now we have the

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Speaker 7: best democracy money can buy and it is no democracy at.

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Speaker 2: All, well said ma'am, and we appreciate your void of

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Speaker 2: vote of confidence.

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Speaker 3: And Crystal sold my question.

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Speaker 2: So I think we're good to go, and we want

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Speaker 2: to appreciate you very much for joining us. All candidates

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Speaker 2: should and we hope to see you on every ballot

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Speaker 2: in the country. So thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, doctor Stein. Thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 4: We're grateful.

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