Speaker 1: All from Johnny.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello Johnny, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Well, Man, I'm chilling, I'm breathing. I'm doing all right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. If
Speaker 2: you can breathe, that's like a good sign of prosperity
Speaker 2: in my book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thankful for it, man, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2: So what's up, Johnny? What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: Well, I had a pretty rough three years since graduated
Speaker 1: high school. I've like lost a lot of friends over
Speaker 1: the past three years, been in a pretty terrible relationship,
Speaker 1: just like going through.
Speaker 2: My twenties, you know, and you're what twenty one?
Speaker 1: I am twenty one?
Speaker 2: Why did you lose a lot of friends?
Speaker 1: So I kind of just gradually stopped talking to them
Speaker 1: because I don't know if it's just like a standard
Speaker 1: with high school friends that you know, over time you
Speaker 1: just lose them. But I don't know. I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like, like, I don't know, it was just I
Speaker 1: was really disrespected a lot, and I wasn't the most
Speaker 1: I don't know, I wasn't the best guy either, but
Speaker 1: I kind of get made fun of a lot, like
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty big dude and Uh, they'd kind of
Speaker 1: make fun of me for them, say a whole lot
Speaker 1: of other terrible things, and you know, I just felt
Speaker 1: like I grew out of them, you know, But I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like last year, I was on a three
Speaker 1: month drug binge and I was just like holding grudges
Speaker 1: all the time, Like my friends would kind of do
Speaker 1: things that slightly annoyed me. And I think with the
Speaker 1: with the drug use and like Chris, I just stop
Speaker 1: talking to them. I really pushed everyone away and they
Speaker 1: led me having a manic episode and I went to
Speaker 1: a mental hospital spent about ten days there.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, when you talk to
Speaker 2: real therapists about these issues, what do they tell you.
Speaker 1: What's funny is I actually had two therapists, and uh,
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about the present moment and what
Speaker 1: I'm doing at the time, you know. There I I
Speaker 1: guess the weird thing about therapy is when you've talked
Speaker 1: to therapists, you're always talking about what's going on in
Speaker 1: the present time so that you're okay now. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I really talked about a lot of
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff that happened in the past. More they
Speaker 1: like just the reason why it happened and how I
Speaker 1: can understand it. So I guess they just kind of
Speaker 1: try to help me understand it more.
Speaker 2: Okay, And has that been successful and helped you understand
Speaker 2: the past?
Speaker 1: I understood that I need to be very careful with
Speaker 1: my life, I mean, especially with friends. I'll be honest, man,
Speaker 1: Like I I first got high when I was eight
Speaker 1: years old, and it wasn't even my fault. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know what I was doing. I found a can
Speaker 1: of computer duster and I put my mouth on it
Speaker 1: and some air came out, and I like finished the
Speaker 1: whole can. And that's when I was eight years old,
Speaker 1: high off computer duster. And I'm surprised I'm not dead, dude.
Speaker 1: Like just that and smoking weed at fourteen has led
Speaker 1: to a chain reaction of drug abuse and a lot
Speaker 1: of pain, and it's really turnished a lot of my relationships.
Speaker 2: What do you what is your relationship like with drugs now?
Speaker 1: The only thing I abused at the moment it's adderall.
Speaker 1: I have a really bad habit of like eating a
Speaker 1: bunch of adderall and like watching porn for a long time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, so no adderall, adderall definitely makes it. Adderall like
Speaker 2: taking a bunch of Adderall and jerking off for like
Speaker 2: an entire day. I've been there before. It's uh, it's
Speaker 2: an intoxicating combination.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you can relate.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was a little scared to tell you that because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, dude, I'm gonna be aner man
Speaker 1: if people are gonna know me as a uner on
Speaker 1: the internet forever. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Nah, Man, that's what I mean, Adderall. I mean in
Speaker 2: my experience with Adderall, and I'm talking about and by
Speaker 2: the way, I'm just talking about ship. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the fuck I'm talking about. But it's just you,
Speaker 2: you and me, two fucking dudes having a chat right here.
Speaker 2: That's what this is. So for me, Adderall, I felt
Speaker 2: like it always made me like optimistic, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Because like I was going through life like
Speaker 2: in a very like depressed mood, and Adderall like elevates
Speaker 2: you and makes you think that all your hopes and
Speaker 2: dreams are possible, and then you celebrate that by by
Speaker 2: jacking off for six hours. That's been my experience, dude, Yeah, easy,
Speaker 2: you know how it is, man, It's the last time
Speaker 2: I did it was Sunday, which was yesterday.
Speaker 1: So you know the problem with being an addict is
Speaker 1: you always say like one last time and like my
Speaker 1: last time, little I guess, like I just I ran
Speaker 1: out of adderall so like I can't really do it anymore.
Speaker 1: But it just sucks because like my jopamine is gonna
Speaker 1: be low shit and I kind of get anxiety, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to wait three months for that's a
Speaker 1: level out. But you know, I'm not doing coughs if anymore.
Speaker 1: I hate lead now, Like I have some medicals in
Speaker 1: my closet, but uh, I don't do them because I
Speaker 1: was actually, uh, it's gonna sound really stupid, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of a Ricky not really a Rocky steak,
Speaker 1: but I just people have gone to the emergency room before.
Speaker 1: I took a shit, some edibles and drank some cost syrup.
Speaker 1: My heart was beating like super fast and I got scared,
Speaker 1: so I kind of told my parents about it, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of happened. Yeah, And I also last two
Speaker 1: years ago, I drank a bunch of Costs here and
Speaker 1: now my memory is completely shot. I have a hard
Speaker 1: time cognitively and I can't even remember last week or
Speaker 1: what I did yesterday other than the adderall. It sucks, dude,
Speaker 1: because I was I felt like I could have been
Speaker 1: really smart, Like I could have not really like a genius,
Speaker 1: but I could have been a bright dude, and just
Speaker 1: me continuously self sabotaging and going back into the whole
Speaker 1: where I'm comfortable with, like I want to stay there
Speaker 1: and I never want to get better, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: really doing it in school right now, but I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about it. I can still take it up. I
Speaker 1: also kind of failed college like three or four times.
Speaker 1: This wasn't the best thing ever, but I'm trying to
Speaker 1: change of major.
Speaker 2: So, man, I got a lot of thoughts on what
Speaker 2: you just said. The first thing is this like idea,
Speaker 2: like you're it always. You know, you're twenty one, and
Speaker 2: you've like, I don't know why you've like written yourself
Speaker 2: off as like I thought I could be smart and
Speaker 2: now I'm a dumb piece of shit forever. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is in your brain that's
Speaker 2: made you decide that, so so finitely, what is it
Speaker 2: that you and I know you're talking about, like not
Speaker 2: being good in school? But I've I've I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think that school is the ultimate measure of success
Speaker 2: and smartness that a human beings. So I'll ask you this,
Speaker 2: what is it that you want to do with your life.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of interest. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things I want to do. In terms of money. I'm
Speaker 1: pursuing cybersecurity or something tech related. So that's that's my
Speaker 1: money issue. Uh, that's what I'm gonna do for money.
Speaker 1: But you know, last year I kind of discovered I
Speaker 1: had a creative impulse and I want to write a book.
Speaker 1: I'm writing a book right now. It's based on a
Speaker 1: couple of conspiracy theories and I draw sometimes. So I
Speaker 1: guess I just I want to make money so I
Speaker 1: can be financially stable, and I want to make money
Speaker 1: so I can like fund my creative passions and maybe
Speaker 1: one day I can make money for my creative passions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean those are both great.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I guess if if we can for a second, I'll
Speaker 2: want to understand why you have written yourself off as
Speaker 2: permanently dumb.
Speaker 1: I think because well, I've been called like stupid and
Speaker 1: retarded a lot by you know, the friends that I
Speaker 1: kind of grew out of and it's really tough when
Speaker 1: now I guess this is like an old lesson that
Speaker 1: I kind of learned. But it's it's really tough to
Speaker 1: think you're not something and people will constantly tell you
Speaker 1: that you're a certain thing, and you know, it's like
Speaker 1: who gives a ship about what people say? Fuck them?
Speaker 1: But it's tough when everything you do around a certain
Speaker 1: group of friends is like not acceptable and you just
Speaker 1: feel really stupid. And also the second thing is I
Speaker 1: kind of just noticed that my memory isn't.
Speaker 3: What it used to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, that's another thing. So I
Speaker 1: guess I it's not really smart of me, and I'm
Speaker 1: not really having a gross mind sort of being proactive
Speaker 1: when I'm kind of writing myself off like that. I'm
Speaker 1: actually really glad you said that, because now I can
Speaker 1: I can do I can do whatever I want. It's
Speaker 1: just it's tough, you know, tough kind of get into
Speaker 1: that spot where you can realize like, oh, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what I did in the past, I can I
Speaker 1: can get out there.
Speaker 2: And do you have anyone do you have anyone in
Speaker 2: your life who is supportive of you as a person?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I Actually I was alone for a really long time,
Speaker 1: but I recently reconnected with some friends and I got
Speaker 1: some people, you know, like small group of dudes and
Speaker 1: my family obviously. Yeah, there's they're supportive, they're they're cool people.
Speaker 1: You know, shout out? Can I shout out some people
Speaker 1: real quick? That?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 2: Shout You can shout out your friends?
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out as.
Speaker 2: They're full first in last names for socials too, and
Speaker 2: the social Evan nick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Evan, Nikki, Glennie, Bobby and gagey. Uh.
Speaker 2: Do you have a friend named Glenny and a friend
Speaker 2: named Bobby? Or is this one friend named Glenny Bobby?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's one friend named Glenny Bobby. He's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: What is that his last name or his first name?
Speaker 1: No, that's that's just what we call him. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what I call him, to call him Glenny Bobby.
Speaker 2: Well ship man, I mean, it's how do you know
Speaker 2: these fellas?
Speaker 1: Uh, we all went to the same middle school.
Speaker 2: Okay, so wait, so this is a different group than
Speaker 2: the group who was who were being Uh yeah yeah
Speaker 2: so this is a.
Speaker 1: Different yeah yeah, different group, but we all kind of
Speaker 1: knew each other back then. Yeah, yeah, a different group definitely.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean ship man, I'll say this, Uh, that
Speaker 2: whole thing of like people tell you that you're something,
Speaker 2: it's hard to not believe that you're that thing. But like, dude,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think you gotta end up. You gotta figure out
Speaker 2: a way to surmise your own opinions of yourself from
Speaker 2: within and not relying on other people. That goes for
Speaker 2: positive things too, by the way. Uh, it's something that's
Speaker 2: something that people get tripped up about, right because if
Speaker 2: you start, you know, everyone thinks, everyone around you keeps
Speaker 2: calling you smart and awesome and amazing, and then you
Speaker 2: just get your your your rocks off by how by
Speaker 2: you get your ego boosted by it by what other
Speaker 2: people think of you instead of what what the what
Speaker 2: the ideal?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I fucking don't. I hate talking on
Speaker 2: here about like what the ideal healthy thing to do
Speaker 2: is because I don't know, because I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: this shit out myself. But like it seems to me
Speaker 2: that the ideal healthy thing to do is to, like,
Speaker 2: whether you know, get your idea of who you are
Speaker 2: from from within and not rely on the opinions of
Speaker 2: other people, both you know, believing them when they tell
Speaker 2: you negative things and believing them when they tell you
Speaker 2: positive things, and just fucking uh, you know, believing what
Speaker 2: you decide to believe about yourself. Well, that's cool, man.
Speaker 2: You're gonna become a hacker. You're gonna hack shit.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is cybersecurity is such a
Speaker 1: broad term. There's a lot of like different shit that
Speaker 1: goes into it. And I kind of don't know what
Speaker 1: I want to do. I just I kind of took
Speaker 1: a step forward and said, right, I'm going for so
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hopefully I can take something relatively like okay,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm good with technology, so I
Speaker 1: can help.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, So I want to make money.
Speaker 2: When I was in fifth grade, uh, my friends hacked
Speaker 2: into my Webkins account, And by hacked, I meant I
Speaker 2: told them my password and they logged in and they
Speaker 2: stole These motherfuckers stole all of my furniture from my
Speaker 2: Webkins room and it's in their account now and I'm
Speaker 2: still pissed off about it. Can we do you have
Speaker 2: the skills to locate the sixteen year old Webkins account
Speaker 2: and get back in and take my stuff back. Can
Speaker 2: we do that, you know, just.
Speaker 1: A therapy get go for all the times you use
Speaker 1: helps me fall asleep. I sure will. What's the what's
Speaker 1: the Webkins name account? Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't even I actually don't
Speaker 2: even remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still I'll still try to do it.
Speaker 2: I think my password was like Mario sixty four or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: That's a good password.
Speaker 2: Well, shit, man, I don't. I just I hope if
Speaker 2: you get genuinely, you seem like a really smart, really
Speaker 2: good guy, and so I hope, uh, genuinely that if
Speaker 2: you get anything out of this phone call, it's just
Speaker 2: whatever you fucking do. Dude, don't write yourself off. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's the it's the saddest thing to me when other people,
Speaker 2: when people like write them selves off permanently, especially so young,
Speaker 2: because I really and it's hard. I've been in the
Speaker 2: thick of it. I write myself off constantly. And it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe you do need an outside perspective to tell you
Speaker 2: that you're cashing into early by believing that you're gonna
Speaker 2: be dumb forever because you have some paint. I mean, biologically,
Speaker 2: you have lost some brain cells. That's true. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to hold the element. But that's fine, that's fine,
Speaker 2: that's fine. You know, you don't need that many brain
Speaker 2: cells to function in society. And having shitty I mean,
Speaker 2: I have shitty memory. I've been like smoking a fucking
Speaker 2: pot every day for years. And that's why when people
Speaker 2: that's why people tell me their name and I forget
Speaker 2: it instantly. But whatever, you know, I can still function
Speaker 2: in society and be a human being and provide value
Speaker 2: to myself and others, and so can you. God damn it.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just I'm so glad the person outside of
Speaker 1: myself to tell you that. With the therapy, get go.
Speaker 2: So, Johnny, is there anything else that you wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about or or fucking any any any anything before
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 1: My name is Johnny Karate. I like sucking Cox, linging rock,
Speaker 1: sucking dick and eaton klitz.
Speaker 2: Nice later on, Johnny Karate, thank you.
Speaker 1: I love your therapy. I go take care.
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Speaker 2: what's your name? Yeah? This is this is this is
Speaker 2: the Gek you know what? I actually meant to call
Speaker 2: someone else, but uh, let's talk. Let's talk. What's up man?
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 3: Mick Love? Yes?
Speaker 1: What can I do?
Speaker 2: What can I do you for.
Speaker 3: I am in a creative slump at the.
Speaker 2: Moment, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: I kind of do YouTube a little bit mm hmm,
Speaker 3: and later on down the line, I just I just
Speaker 3: kind of quit. I don't know how to Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of nervous. I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 3: get a car.
Speaker 2: What kind of YouTube videos you make?
Speaker 3: H different? You know, junk junk videos? I talk about ship.
Speaker 3: I have a video that I made a big rant
Speaker 3: about a light bulb that uses Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: A light bulb that uses Wi Fi? What kind of
Speaker 2: light bulb is this?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's called micro or some ship micro?
Speaker 2: Okay, So what what do you mean by junk videos?
Speaker 3: Like I just talked about the ship and all that,
Speaker 3: and I'm I started doing reviews of games.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Like we're just talking about different stuff, kind of like
Speaker 3: a moist.
Speaker 2: Critical as you texted me actually and you said you
Speaker 2: said what you said? You said, I used to do
Speaker 2: crazy experiments.
Speaker 3: What is antal thing I'll go through so.
Speaker 2: Back?
Speaker 3: I'm hoping this is because it use it was kind
Speaker 3: of sexual.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: What what kind of experiments were these?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I wanted to see what things will feel good to
Speaker 3: my penis. Okay, So I actually made my name up
Speaker 3: on valery. You probably look it up somewhere. And I
Speaker 3: stick my I wanted to see how it felt to
Speaker 3: stick my penis and uh, Wendy Frosty's.
Speaker 2: And how did it feel.
Speaker 3: It was like a fucking uh, let's see frostbite. It
Speaker 3: did not feel great. I had to use fucking heat,
Speaker 3: the heat just to fucking get it out directly from
Speaker 3: the fuck event.
Speaker 1: What do you like?
Speaker 2: It got stuck in there?
Speaker 3: It kind of did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What flavor frosty was it?
Speaker 3: Uh? I think it was strawberry.
Speaker 2: How long did you leave your penis submerged in the frosty?
Speaker 3: Forty five minutes?
Speaker 2: You put your penis in a frosty for forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's where the thing came from. I come
Speaker 3: and Wendy's Frosty's and that was my steam name for
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 2: So this is a real video that I like. If
Speaker 2: I looked for it on YouTube.
Speaker 3: No, oh no, just's say the video. This is what
Speaker 3: I used to do with the kids. Then there was
Speaker 3: no videos of it.
Speaker 2: Wait, uh oh, okay, so you so when just when
Speaker 2: you were a kid, you you did weird experiments like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, why did you think?
Speaker 2: Why'd you do it for forty five minutes?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I forgot about a condo.
Speaker 2: What other experience?
Speaker 3: Well, I uh, let's see, I wanted to try putting
Speaker 3: in gravy. That wasn't the great. Uh, there was one
Speaker 3: time that this is when it kind of stopped. But
Speaker 3: I used to work at Butterball, the Turkey.
Speaker 2: Place and.
Speaker 3: Butterball butall turkey plant And I'll ask one of my coworkers, Hey,
Speaker 3: you steal a turkey stuck, can do a expeeriment to
Speaker 3: it real quick?
Speaker 2: You're talking with me right now?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not, okay, I'm being dead ass.
Speaker 2: You told your coworker to make a turkey bawl for
Speaker 2: you to stick your penis in.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I said, We're going to steal a
Speaker 3: whole turkey, the whole last turkey, and take it somewhere.
Speaker 3: I'll just go to see how it feels and to
Speaker 3: just throw it away, is it?
Speaker 2: I get that's like a that's like beast reality and
Speaker 2: necrophilia kind of.
Speaker 3: Well, the turkey was dead and it's like skinned and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm mean, but.
Speaker 3: That was old me. I don't do that ship anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it a raw turkey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What what happened to your penis after you did that?
Speaker 3: Uh? I'd have built too good.
Speaker 2: See this is weird. What's the like, what's the ethics
Speaker 2: on turkey necrophilia? Because like a lot of people eat
Speaker 2: turkeys and that's bad. I guess, But well, I guess
Speaker 2: that's that that's okay. But if you and it's obviously
Speaker 2: it's not okay to have sex with a live turkey,
Speaker 2: but if it's okay to kill turkey? Whiz? Is it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: It's probably. I mean i'm leaning towards No, I'm leaning
Speaker 2: towards it's not. But I guess why is it bad?
Speaker 2: Why can you not fuck a dead turkey but you
Speaker 2: can eat it?
Speaker 3: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is a good question.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's not a good question. You're right,
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 2: So is that is that? Is that all of your
Speaker 2: experiments that I.
Speaker 3: Can think of? Okay, but about the turkey, I didn't
Speaker 3: actually get to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't actually stick your penis in the turkey?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's why did you get fired because
Speaker 2: be and.
Speaker 3: My buddy we're walking out with it and we both
Speaker 3: got fired.
Speaker 2: The person who fired you didn't find out what you
Speaker 2: were actually planning to do with the turkey, did they?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, I said I was, and give it to
Speaker 3: my uh, to my cousin with cancer.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's I guess that's the opposite of fucking a
Speaker 2: turkey is giving it to a guy with cancer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess the opposite. What I guess the opposite of
Speaker 2: fucking a turkey would be. I guess it would be
Speaker 2: not fucking a turkey. But that's not really an opposite.
Speaker 2: That's more just like a absence. Yeah, so you're in
Speaker 2: a creative rut? Why are you in a creative rut?
Speaker 3: That was a word creative rut? It because I don't
Speaker 3: feel like my prom isn't really good. Like I guess,
Speaker 3: you just had to keep posting until something happens.
Speaker 1: As well.
Speaker 3: Some people told me, what.
Speaker 2: Do you Why do you think your content's not good?
Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't. You have this feel a whole on
Speaker 2: But you have this feeling right now that is creating
Speaker 2: a creative rut to you for you, and you can't
Speaker 2: even express why you have that feeling.
Speaker 3: Well, I I think it's because I've done it x
Speaker 3: amount of like gears, and then nothing really has grown
Speaker 3: like I've I had. I made like three channels. I
Speaker 3: kind of put down two of them and start a
Speaker 3: new one.
Speaker 2: Okay, what kind of video you want?
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't posted any lately, mostly game videos that
Speaker 3: I made. My I made like a whole video of
Speaker 3: me streaming uh elder ring. Then I, like I said,
Speaker 3: I talk about dumb ship, uh make reviews for games.
Speaker 3: I'm actually working on a review with a buddy, but
Speaker 3: it's taken a long time because my computer blew up.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. Are you having fun?
Speaker 2: Are you enjoying making these videos?
Speaker 3: I did? Yeah, before my blew up?
Speaker 2: You did before your computer blew up? What do you mean?
Speaker 3: So? I was making a video and my my scream
Speaker 3: scar discovering and I heard all he was hurt, and
Speaker 3: my computer just fucking blew up the power supply. All right,
Speaker 3: it was the old computers.
Speaker 2: Like, what do you make? What are you making videos with? Now?
Speaker 3: I bought one?
Speaker 2: Okay, are you having on making the videos that you're
Speaker 2: making on the computer? You're making them with now.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't stolen yet because I had to do
Speaker 3: that whole process again of like making sure my sound
Speaker 3: is good. I've been trying to work extra hard. I
Speaker 3: do door d ash and and I work at a
Speaker 3: different job.
Speaker 2: Okay, because look, I know it's like, I know it
Speaker 2: sounds trying to know what everyone says, but it is true.
Speaker 2: It's like, as long as you're having fun with the
Speaker 2: actual process of making the videos, the outcome is irrelevant
Speaker 2: because all the outcome does is enable you to live
Speaker 2: in more of the process kind.
Speaker 3: Of the the outcome is a motivator, is.
Speaker 2: A motivator, Yeah, it's a motivator. Yeah, it is a motivator,
Speaker 2: And it's a legitimate motivator because you can get addicted
Speaker 2: to watching videos like blow up and stuff. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, the real motivation should should
Speaker 2: be just from a simple enjoyment of actually making the
Speaker 2: videos themselves. Okay, And if you're doing that, you're winning,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: M And there's another thing. I'm trying to get My
Speaker 3: brother's thirteen. We we'll call him Johnny. Yeah, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to get him, you know. Now, have to work the
Speaker 3: nine of even all that bullshit you know, I want
Speaker 3: to make a game with him, but I don't know
Speaker 3: where to start.
Speaker 2: Do you want to make a game with your thirteen
Speaker 2: year old brother?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I've already made like I've already made like
Speaker 3: a project name. It was a It was a project
Speaker 3: that I had an idea for for a fucking long time.
Speaker 3: It was over like dreams I've had of it, and
Speaker 3: it was a The project name was a called tron
Speaker 3: Try gone X. Okay, yeah, and it's kind of a
Speaker 3: little bit like thar On Phantasies in a way, but
Speaker 3: but still it's going to have his own elements.
Speaker 2: So you're asking me how to make a video game?
Speaker 3: No, I guess, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know how to make a video game.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well how would you think we start.
Speaker 2: In a way, I dude, My answer is you google
Speaker 2: how to make a video game. I mean, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: there's other day like I I'm sorry, I don't have
Speaker 2: any better advice for you other than to look it up,
Speaker 2: you know, ask chat GPT. By the way that goes
Speaker 2: for it, By the way that that honestly almost certain
Speaker 2: that kind of goes for anyone who would ever call
Speaker 2: into this podcast to ask me anything. I was just
Speaker 2: ask chat GPT. You'll actually give you a way better
Speaker 2: answer than anything that I will say. Really, yeah, I
Speaker 2: use chat. I ask chat GPT about all everything. It's great.
Speaker 2: I'm so I'm excited for AI to take over or
Speaker 2: humanity because it's it's kind of better than humanity in
Speaker 2: some degrees.
Speaker 3: It's more objective in a way, but a little scary
Speaker 3: in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, maybe I'll make a geck GPT that uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck it would do. But
Speaker 2: but anyway, Yeah, man, why don't you just go on
Speaker 2: make going like RPG maker or like just google how
Speaker 2: to make a video game? Yeah, I'll just But no
Speaker 2: matter what, I'm just glad that you you've evolved beyond
Speaker 2: sticking your dick and frosties and you're trying to do
Speaker 2: more productive things. That's That's what I've gleaned from this conversation.
Speaker 2: Uh mcloven, is anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Stay safe out there and keep your dreams alive.
Speaker 2: All right, man, I look forward to catching your game
Speaker 2: on Steamy love me, go take care man.
Speaker 3: You too.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hey, Hey, what's up man?
Speaker 4: Not much?
Speaker 2: What's your name? I'm gonna call you Alex.
Speaker 4: Hi, you can call me Joe.
Speaker 2: Okay. I wanted to call you Alex because I'm gonna
Speaker 2: forget if I I've I've learned now because I just
Speaker 2: fuck I forget everyone's name because I have some weird
Speaker 2: form of brain damage, I think, and I've noticed that
Speaker 2: I'll remember people's names better if I give them a name.
Speaker 4: Okay, Alex is good?
Speaker 2: Do you prefer? If you prefer Joe, I'll call you Joe.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's it's your show.
Speaker 3: You do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: It's all good.
Speaker 2: What I want is for you know what. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call you Alex? Alex? What's up man? How can I
Speaker 2: get you today? Uh?
Speaker 4: It's going pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I just these sort of intrusive thoughts for
Speaker 4: a while, and I just sort of wanted to talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, what kind of into thoughts.
Speaker 4: It's sort of intrusive thoughts about harming people.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. How long have it? It's not go ahead.
Speaker 4: It's been happening like a long time. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: exactly when it started, but it's just sort of whenever
Speaker 4: I have like a negative like a memory with the
Speaker 4: negative association to it. I just get these sort of
Speaker 4: intrusive thoughts where I want to like hurt someone or
Speaker 4: like I just get it's not comfortable for me, you know,
Speaker 4: It's like it makes me feel like I'm like I
Speaker 4: could potentially be dangerous to people around me, and it's
Speaker 4: just I don't know why it happens.
Speaker 2: Are they are you trying to? Are you are these
Speaker 2: interestive thoughts about hurting specific people or just people?
Speaker 4: No, it's it's never anybody specific.
Speaker 2: Have you ever spoke look into a real therapist about this?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: What's preventing you from doing that?
Speaker 4: I guess I don't really respect Western therapy.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I empathize with that. Yeah, I know I
Speaker 2: I I empathize with that plight of not respecting uh,
Speaker 2: Western therapy. But I do think if if you really
Speaker 2: are struggling with this thing where you feel like you
Speaker 2: might be a potential danger to other people, and it's
Speaker 2: like totally fucking you up. Uh, you know it's it's
Speaker 2: it's within your agency to attempt to do something about it, right,
Speaker 2: and and and talking to somebody who maybe you know, look,
Speaker 2: I'm just a dumbass and a gecko costume. And I
Speaker 2: think talking to somebody who actually understands how these thoughts
Speaker 2: work would be helpful to you. And I've actually been
Speaker 2: thinking about this because I know that you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people that just can't afford therapy. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you haven't even shure that's.
Speaker 1: Definitely part of it too.
Speaker 4: I'm not I don't have money.
Speaker 2: Do you insurance?
Speaker 4: I'm not insurance don't covered therapy though, Okay, I mean
Speaker 4: I liked the idea of just sort of talking to
Speaker 4: somebody as more of a clean slate understanding of things
Speaker 4: just from you know, their own life experience. I don't
Speaker 4: think there's necessarily that much value and like the education
Speaker 4: that a therapist would have, and I and like you
Speaker 4: got like a fifty to fifty shot of getting a
Speaker 4: good one.
Speaker 2: Sure, I respect those thoughts, but it's still worth it
Speaker 2: to try. I'm kind of a hypocrite because I've also
Speaker 2: been like kind of avoidant with actual therapy myself. But
Speaker 2: what the fuck was I going to say? The money thing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I actually I'm going to get back to
Speaker 2: one of this because I've actually been thinking about this
Speaker 2: a lot because there's so many people who like you know,
Speaker 2: struggle with like they just can't fucking afford it. And
Speaker 2: I think that there are resources out there to get it,
Speaker 2: to get real therapy, like through like a community center
Speaker 2: or a college or something like that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they definitely are. I just honestly, I just
Speaker 4: haven't looked into its.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like low, I feel like, so I my whole
Speaker 2: thing is I'm perpetually like playing house here. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not a real theory. I'm just like fucking chilling,
Speaker 2: trying to make a podcast, trying to have fun, trying
Speaker 2: to you know, that's.
Speaker 4: Really more more what I'm looking for than an actual
Speaker 4: like sit down healing.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, these are not too These are
Speaker 2: not two things. This is not an either or this
Speaker 2: is this. We can do them both, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, I'm happy to talk to you about
Speaker 2: this stuff, but you should talk to a real person
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I think it's just for me. It's it's
Speaker 4: been something that's tough to talk about. It's like not
Speaker 4: something that's that's really really accepted, and it's just I mean, like,
Speaker 4: this is the first time I've ever like verbalized.
Speaker 2: This at all ever to anyone.
Speaker 1: So it's just, yes, how old are you?
Speaker 2: Okay, how long have you been having these thoughts?
Speaker 4: Definitely at least the last few years, and I honestly
Speaker 4: don't know when it started.
Speaker 2: Okay, you've never acted on any of these thoughts, have you?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I have trained a lot of martial arts, and I've
Speaker 4: like there have been times where I've accidentally hurt someone,
Speaker 4: Like one time I in wrestling, I've like seriously hurt
Speaker 4: somebody's knee, and that like like that's something that I
Speaker 4: almost had like PTSD from for a while, just like
Speaker 4: like the sound of somebody's knee getting ripped apart.
Speaker 2: Well as should was it was that in high school
Speaker 2: or college?
Speaker 4: It was it was actually afterwards I was, uh twenty one.
Speaker 4: It is training at a jiu jitsu gym, in a
Speaker 4: wrestling classic gym.
Speaker 2: But that did that have anything to do with these
Speaker 2: these thoughts that you have.
Speaker 4: No, It's almost like it feels like like the opposite,
Speaker 4: you know, like when I have like a memory of that,
Speaker 4: it's like it's painful for me, and then I get
Speaker 4: that same sort of feeling when I have one.
Speaker 3: Of these.
Speaker 2: Okay, mm hmm, How often. How often do you have
Speaker 2: these thoughts.
Speaker 4: At least daily?
Speaker 2: Okay, mm hmm. Do you do you notice like specific
Speaker 2: like stimulus that bring these thoughts on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like usually if I remember uh like it could
Speaker 4: be anything, but like some sort of memory with the
Speaker 4: negative association or it will usually trigger m hm. That
Speaker 4: kind of interesting thought for me.
Speaker 2: Hold on, someone strove by uh my apartment blasting music
Speaker 2: really loudly, and you know it's triggering some of minds
Speaker 2: truest of thoughts as well.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: I I well, okay, let me, I guess, let me
Speaker 2: do this because I really do think you got to
Speaker 2: go talk to a real therapist. This is like totally
Speaker 2: something you got to go talk to a real therapist about.
Speaker 2: But like, I like.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you this, okay, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: But but like just like as a dude, it just
Speaker 2: has two dudes on the phone, Like, is there any
Speaker 2: way that is like, how can I help you with this?
Speaker 2: Just as two dudes on the phone.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's really any anything in particular
Speaker 4: that I was looking for in terms of help. I
Speaker 4: just like I thought that this was a good way
Speaker 4: to get that out. Like this it's like an anonymous thing,
Speaker 4: I don't actually have to talk to somebody face to face.
Speaker 2: Okay, how do you how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: The fact that you like talking about it on an
Speaker 2: anonymous thing.
Speaker 4: It it feels good too, not just have that inside.
Speaker 4: Like it's not like saying something magically, you know, fixes everything.
Speaker 2: But right, But I I guess I hope like talking
Speaker 2: to me, you're kind of understanding that, like you, if
Speaker 2: you just let this stuff boil, it's just gonna like
Speaker 2: I don't, I do not know, but I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know you, but I don't think that you're like
Speaker 2: just from talking to you and from like understanding at
Speaker 2: the most surface fucking level that I could understand, Like
Speaker 2: you don't seem as though you're a dangerous person or
Speaker 2: a threat to other people, you know, but you just
Speaker 2: have these thoughts that are troublesome, and these thoughts are
Speaker 2: are making your life more difficult to live. And I
Speaker 2: hope you understand that. Uh, And I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: we all have thoughts in our brain that make our
Speaker 2: lives more difficult to live. And I'm no expert in
Speaker 2: how to deal with those thoughts or get rid of
Speaker 2: them or anything. Like that, but I I the optimistic
Speaker 2: part of my brain says that it's possible, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I guess if you leave this conversation with anything,
Speaker 2: it's it's I hope an optimism that there exists uh
Speaker 2: ways for you to deal with these thoughts so that
Speaker 2: you don't have to keep living in fear of them.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 2: Do you do you feel that way?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sort of worries me, like, like I just
Speaker 4: I have this sort of subconscious urge in me to
Speaker 4: commit violence, you know, like I I when I was
Speaker 4: a kid, I used to fight a lot, like with
Speaker 4: my brother, with other people, and I like to fight.
Speaker 4: That's like an other things that I like doing. And
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes like in the context of fighting, it's
Speaker 4: good to be able to you know, be violent. But
Speaker 4: I just worry sometimes that it will get away from me.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, like I think, I actually think
Speaker 2: this is good that you like recognize this about yourself,
Speaker 2: because now before this gets out of hand, you have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to go deal with it, you know, and
Speaker 2: I think you should. You should. I completely empathize why
Speaker 2: you feel skeptical about all the methods that people typically
Speaker 2: use to deal with these kind of things, but I
Speaker 2: implore you to drop your skepticism and be open minded
Speaker 2: because it might help. I mean, shit, you were open
Speaker 2: minded enough to call me and talk about this on
Speaker 2: a podcast in front of a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I get Maybe it's just like, you know,
Speaker 4: trust to people is hard, you know, like putting my
Speaker 4: whole self in somebody's hands like that, and you're like saying, here,
Speaker 4: can you help me with this? It's it's hard, Like
Speaker 4: with this sort of an honest thing. It's just like
Speaker 4: we're having a conversation. It's fine, but I I I
Speaker 4: definitely need to work on, you know, being able to
Speaker 4: trust somebody with that.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. Why is I mean? I guess real therapy
Speaker 2: is also just kind of having a conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean basically that's what it is. Talking to
Speaker 4: people helps.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 4: I'll talk to my homes sometimes about ship like this.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what is what do your friends say.
Speaker 4: About this particularly? I haven't ever mentioned, but just like
Speaker 4: you know, other things, like like me and my friends
Speaker 4: will have our own problems, so we'll talk about things.
Speaker 4: We'll get deep sometimes, but never really now, I never,
Speaker 4: never really talked about this, But I mean, like when
Speaker 4: I I think it's part of it might be from
Speaker 4: when I was a kid. I like my brother believed
Speaker 4: me a lot. I really hated him for it, and
Speaker 4: like I would like it, Like I really really hated him.
Speaker 4: And I remember being like eight years old and I
Speaker 4: and like he would just be like blowing me relentlessly.
Speaker 4: He was fucking awful, and I just wanted to like
Speaker 4: get a knife from the kitchen, go into his room
Speaker 4: and fucking kill him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Like that that was just something that like every night
Speaker 4: I would think about when I was like eight years old.
Speaker 4: And like for me, I feel like like what kept
Speaker 4: my eight year old self from doing it was fear
Speaker 4: of consequences more than like any sort of morality.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 4: So I think, I mean I've never talked about once
Speaker 4: in my life. I think that might be a big
Speaker 4: part of where that sort of violent impulse comes from.
Speaker 2: Like you feel like you're still holding on to that
Speaker 2: that anger from when you were.
Speaker 4: Eight, Yeah, because I can't really direct that anger towards
Speaker 4: my brother anymore. Like I understand, like we're both kids.
Speaker 4: It's like it's not his fault. He's not the same
Speaker 4: person it was that I'm not the same person wasn't
Speaker 4: but that like to that hatred and that anger is
Speaker 4: still in there, it's just not directed to anybody.
Speaker 2: So the question, the question becomes like how do you
Speaker 2: deal how do you deal with this hatred and anger
Speaker 2: that's just in you, that's just like a part of you.
Speaker 2: How do you deal with it in a healthy way
Speaker 2: that doesn't involve.
Speaker 4: I think directing towards good things, like right directing it
Speaker 4: like through exercise and like training martial arts and stuff
Speaker 4: like that has helped me. It's great, but like it's
Speaker 4: still there, you know, it's just like he needs to
Speaker 4: find it out with. I don't know if it's possible
Speaker 4: to get rid of it, Like it's just part of me.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's something that develops or if
Speaker 4: it's something that was always there, but I think it's
Speaker 4: just something that you sort of have to have to
Speaker 4: live with.
Speaker 2: So you you have found in martial arts and and
Speaker 2: and in exercise some form of outlet for these feelings
Speaker 2: that feels positive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just like getting out the sort of like
Speaker 4: you can put as much aggression as you want as
Speaker 4: you want into a Barbelle you're not going to hurt it,
Speaker 4: you know, like but yeah, I mean, like martial arts
Speaker 4: was good, but there like there have been a couple
Speaker 4: of times where like I hurt somebody on accident with
Speaker 4: like a submission or or like during wrestling, just something
Speaker 4: some weird scramble happens when something pops, and that like
Speaker 4: really gets to me. So it's like I have this
Speaker 4: feeling that I want to at the same time, I
Speaker 4: know that anytime I have hurt somebody, it's been the
Speaker 4: most awful experience of my life.
Speaker 2: M mm hmm. Well, I mean, let me say this,
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm hopeful that talking about this
Speaker 2: and being willing to talk about this on you know,
Speaker 2: on a fucking podcast like I I hope it is
Speaker 2: a catalyst for you to go and talk about it
Speaker 2: with a professional, because it sounds like that would be
Speaker 2: helpful to you.
Speaker 4: The one thing another thing that is the whole Like
Speaker 4: if you say to a therapist that you think about
Speaker 4: hurting yourself or hurting somebody else, they immediately just for
Speaker 4: you and crazy people.
Speaker 2: Go do not quote me on this because I might
Speaker 2: be wrong, but go ahead and look it up. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure, they only do that if you have a plan, right,
Speaker 2: I do, But I know, I that's what I think
Speaker 2: I'm but I don't know. I don't know, So don't
Speaker 2: don't quote me on that. But I I don't think
Speaker 2: that should stop you even.
Speaker 4: Okay, well yeah, I'll definitely at least think about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, please, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, but I mean I appreciate you just like
Speaker 4: listening and talking to me about it.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, of course, Joe Alex. What I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: I'll stick with Alex Alex. Hm hmm. Is there anything
Speaker 2: else like with this that just while we're on the phone,
Speaker 2: that you know you wanted to talk about, or that
Speaker 2: I can help you with or anything like that?
Speaker 4: I think, I I like the thing that where like
Speaker 4: the thoughts I had when I was a kid about
Speaker 4: my brother that was That was the second thing. But
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a third thing.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Did it feel like because this is something
Speaker 2: you've never talked about, did it feel good to talk
Speaker 2: about this, especially in like a like a public form.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think it being public or probably really makes
Speaker 4: a difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, did I.
Speaker 4: Just getting the words out?
Speaker 3: Definitely? Help.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and again I hope that you like you
Speaker 2: like take stock and you're like, Okay, it felt good
Speaker 2: to like talk about this and explore this, and that
Speaker 2: that encourages you to go, like see your professional. I
Speaker 2: hear that even if you're skeptical, because here's the because
Speaker 2: I just, I just I guess, like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what else you're gonna do if you're not going to
Speaker 2: do that, you know, and I mean I think that
Speaker 2: you're doing. I commend you for doing it for you know,
Speaker 2: in the way that you are taking into your hands
Speaker 2: of like trying to find like positive outlets. I think
Speaker 2: you should keep doing that. But I don't think those
Speaker 2: two things are mutually exclusive.
Speaker 4: For sure. Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely getting some like
Speaker 4: talking to a professional can't help them will help.
Speaker 2: Alex. Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: the people the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: I mean, if if there's anything that you guys, feel
Speaker 4: like makes you different from other people that you're afraid
Speaker 4: to talk about. If you feel like you're like some
Speaker 4: like a broken toy inside or like something happened to
Speaker 4: you when you're a kid, I mean, everybody has that,
Speaker 4: Like there's no there's no perfect person. There's no real
Speaker 4: saying person. Everybody's got a thing that makes them like
Speaker 4: a little bit fucked up. So I mean, just for
Speaker 4: just giving your self permission to to be flawed is
Speaker 4: really important.
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, Alex.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I just thought about it. I just what about those
Speaker 2: rage rooms? I really want to go to one of those.
Speaker 2: You guys know what I'm talking about? The rage rooms
Speaker 2: with like, uh, they just give you a bat and
Speaker 2: some glasses and you break some plates. You know. I
Speaker 2: know I told them to go see a real therapist,
Speaker 2: but I take it back. I think you should take
Speaker 2: the money and go to a rage room instead, or
Speaker 2: like maybe a batting cage. Darts, No, darts aren't violent enough.
Speaker 2: You could sit and play Grand Theft Auto for a
Speaker 2: little bit. That always helps me. Can I get a
Speaker 2: promo code for a rage room? Does anyone listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast run a local rage room that I can
Speaker 2: get a promo code for? Give it to the people.
Speaker 2: I want to go to one. When I was a kid,
Speaker 2: I used to, Uh, my friends and I would go
Speaker 2: to Goodwill and we would buy all these like little trinkets,
Speaker 2: like glass trinkets, like the stuff that you got at
Speaker 2: your grandma's house and we would go to this empty
Speaker 2: cul de sac and we would just smash the fucking trinkets,
Speaker 2: and uh, that was some of the most fun I've
Speaker 2: had in my life. That really gets it out, that
Speaker 2: really gets it out of you. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: If I don't know, maybe maybe a rage room is
Speaker 2: a form of therapy. Yeah, yeah, Alex, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: go to I mean, I I was joking. You should.
Speaker 2: Also you should go to a real therapist, but hey,
Speaker 2: maybe in the meantime, try a rage room. That could
Speaker 2: be good.
Speaker 1: Goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night ever,
Speaker 1: goes to just teaching you loud and
Speaker 3: Expert