WEBVTT - ADDERALL AND JERKING OFF

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<v Speaker 1>All from Johnny.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello Johnny, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Man, I'm chilling, I'm breathing. I'm doing all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's uh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can breathe, that's like a good sign of prosperity

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<v Speaker 2>in my book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thankful for it, man, I'm glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's up, Johnny? What do you want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I had a pretty rough three years since graduated

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<v Speaker 1>high school. I've like lost a lot of friends over

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<v Speaker 1>the past three years, been in a pretty terrible relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>just like going through.

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<v Speaker 2>My twenties, you know, and you're what twenty one?

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<v Speaker 1>I am twenty one?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you lose a lot of friends?

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<v Speaker 1>So I kind of just gradually stopped talking to them

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't know if it's just like a standard

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<v Speaker 1>with high school friends that you know, over time you

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<v Speaker 1>just lose them. But I don't know. I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, like, I don't know, it was just I

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<v Speaker 1>was really disrespected a lot, and I wasn't the most

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I wasn't the best guy either, but

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of get made fun of a lot, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a pretty big dude and Uh, they'd kind of

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of me for them, say a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other terrible things, and you know, I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I grew out of them, you know, But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like last year, I was on a three

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<v Speaker 1>month drug binge and I was just like holding grudges

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, Like my friends would kind of do

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<v Speaker 1>things that slightly annoyed me. And I think with the

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<v Speaker 1>with the drug use and like Chris, I just stop

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<v Speaker 1>talking to them. I really pushed everyone away and they

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<v Speaker 1>led me having a manic episode and I went to

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<v Speaker 1>a mental hospital spent about ten days there.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you this, when you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>real therapists about these issues, what do they tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>What's funny is I actually had two therapists, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of talked about the present moment and what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing at the time, you know. There I I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the weird thing about therapy is when you've talked

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<v Speaker 1>to therapists, you're always talking about what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the present time so that you're okay now. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I really talked about a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy stuff that happened in the past. More they

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<v Speaker 1>like just the reason why it happened and how I

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<v Speaker 1>can understand it. So I guess they just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>try to help me understand it more.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And has that been successful and helped you understand

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<v Speaker 2>the past?

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<v Speaker 1>I understood that I need to be very careful with

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<v Speaker 1>my life, I mean, especially with friends. I'll be honest, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I I first got high when I was eight

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and it wasn't even my fault. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what I was doing. I found a can

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<v Speaker 1>of computer duster and I put my mouth on it

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<v Speaker 1>and some air came out, and I like finished the

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<v Speaker 1>whole can. And that's when I was eight years old,

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<v Speaker 1>high off computer duster. And I'm surprised I'm not dead, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Like just that and smoking weed at fourteen has led

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<v Speaker 1>to a chain reaction of drug abuse and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pain, and it's really turnished a lot of my relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you what is your relationship like with drugs now?

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I abused at the moment it's adderall.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a really bad habit of like eating a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of adderall and like watching porn for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, so no adderall, adderall definitely makes it. Adderall like

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<v Speaker 2>taking a bunch of Adderall and jerking off for like

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<v Speaker 2>an entire day. I've been there before. It's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an intoxicating combination.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad you can relate.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little scared to tell you that because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, dude, I'm gonna be aner man

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<v Speaker 1>if people are gonna know me as a uner on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet forever. You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, Man, that's what I mean, Adderall. I mean in

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<v Speaker 2>my experience with Adderall, and I'm talking about and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I'm just talking about ship. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck I'm talking about. But it's just you,

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<v Speaker 2>you and me, two fucking dudes having a chat right here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what this is. So for me, Adderall, I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like it always made me like optimistic, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Because like I was going through life like

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<v Speaker 2>in a very like depressed mood, and Adderall like elevates

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<v Speaker 2>you and makes you think that all your hopes and

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<v Speaker 2>dreams are possible, and then you celebrate that by by

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<v Speaker 2>jacking off for six hours. That's been my experience, dude, Yeah, easy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how it is, man, It's the last time

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<v Speaker 2>I did it was Sunday, which was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know the problem with being an addict is

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<v Speaker 1>you always say like one last time and like my

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<v Speaker 1>last time, little I guess, like I just I ran

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<v Speaker 1>out of adderall so like I can't really do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just sucks because like my jopamine is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be low shit and I kind of get anxiety, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to wait three months for that's a

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<v Speaker 1>level out. But you know, I'm not doing coughs if anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate lead now, Like I have some medicals in

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<v Speaker 1>my closet, but uh, I don't do them because I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually, uh, it's gonna sound really stupid, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a Ricky not really a Rocky steak,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just people have gone to the emergency room before.

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<v Speaker 1>I took a shit, some edibles and drank some cost syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>My heart was beating like super fast and I got scared,

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<v Speaker 1>so I kind of told my parents about it, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of happened. Yeah, And I also last two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, I drank a bunch of Costs here and

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<v Speaker 1>now my memory is completely shot. I have a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time cognitively and I can't even remember last week or

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<v Speaker 1>what I did yesterday other than the adderall. It sucks, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was I felt like I could have been

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<v Speaker 1>really smart, Like I could have not really like a genius,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could have been a bright dude, and just

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<v Speaker 1>me continuously self sabotaging and going back into the whole

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm comfortable with, like I want to stay there

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<v Speaker 1>and I never want to get better, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really doing it in school right now, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>worried about it. I can still take it up. I

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of failed college like three or four times.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't the best thing ever, but I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>change of major.

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<v Speaker 2>So, man, I got a lot of thoughts on what

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<v Speaker 2>you just said. The first thing is this like idea,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're it always. You know, you're twenty one, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've like, I don't know why you've like written yourself

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<v Speaker 2>off as like I thought I could be smart and

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm a dumb piece of shit forever. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is in your brain that's

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<v Speaker 2>made you decide that, so so finitely, what is it

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<v Speaker 2>that you and I know you're talking about, like not

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<v Speaker 2>being good in school? But I've I've I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that school is the ultimate measure of success

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<v Speaker 2>and smartness that a human beings. So I'll ask you this,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it that you want to do with your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of interest. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things I want to do. In terms of money. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing cybersecurity or something tech related. So that's that's my

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<v Speaker 1>money issue. Uh, that's what I'm gonna do for money.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, last year I kind of discovered I

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<v Speaker 1>had a creative impulse and I want to write a book.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing a book right now. It's based on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of conspiracy theories and I draw sometimes. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I just I want to make money so I

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<v Speaker 1>can be financially stable, and I want to make money

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<v Speaker 1>so I can like fund my creative passions and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one day I can make money for my creative passions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean those are both great.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if if we can for a second, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>want to understand why you have written yourself off as

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<v Speaker 2>permanently dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because well, I've been called like stupid and

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<v Speaker 1>retarded a lot by you know, the friends that I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of grew out of and it's really tough when

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<v Speaker 1>now I guess this is like an old lesson that

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of learned. But it's it's really tough to

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<v Speaker 1>think you're not something and people will constantly tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that you're a certain thing, and you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>who gives a ship about what people say? Fuck them?

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<v Speaker 1>But it's tough when everything you do around a certain

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<v Speaker 1>group of friends is like not acceptable and you just

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<v Speaker 1>feel really stupid. And also the second thing is I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just noticed that my memory isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>What it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, that's another thing. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I it's not really smart of me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really having a gross mind sort of being proactive

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm kind of writing myself off like that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually really glad you said that, because now I can

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<v Speaker 1>I can do I can do whatever I want. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's tough, you know, tough kind of get into

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<v Speaker 1>that spot where you can realize like, oh, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what I did in the past, I can I

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<v Speaker 1>can get out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you have anyone do you have anyone in

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<v Speaker 2>your life who is supportive of you as a person?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I Actually I was alone for a really long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I recently reconnected with some friends and I got

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<v Speaker 1>some people, you know, like small group of dudes and

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<v Speaker 1>my family obviously. Yeah, there's they're supportive, they're they're cool people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, shout out? Can I shout out some people

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<v Speaker 1>real quick? That?

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<v Speaker 3>Ye?

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<v Speaker 2>Shout You can shout out your friends?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, shout out as.

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<v Speaker 2>They're full first in last names for socials too, and

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<v Speaker 2>the social Evan nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we got Evan, Nikki, Glennie, Bobby and gagey. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a friend named Glenny and a friend

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<v Speaker 2>named Bobby? Or is this one friend named Glenny Bobby?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's one friend named Glenny Bobby. He's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that his last name or his first name?

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's that's just what we call him. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I call him, to call him Glenny Bobby.

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<v Speaker 2>Well ship man, I mean, it's how do you know

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<v Speaker 2>these fellas?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, we all went to the same middle school.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so wait, so this is a different group than

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<v Speaker 2>the group who was who were being Uh yeah yeah

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<v Speaker 2>so this is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Different yeah yeah, different group, but we all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>knew each other back then. Yeah, yeah, a different group definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean ship man, I'll say this, Uh, that

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing of like people tell you that you're something,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to not believe that you're that thing. But like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you gotta end up. You gotta figure out

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<v Speaker 2>a way to surmise your own opinions of yourself from

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<v Speaker 2>within and not relying on other people. That goes for

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<v Speaker 2>positive things too, by the way. Uh, it's something that's

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<v Speaker 2>something that people get tripped up about, right because if

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<v Speaker 2>you start, you know, everyone thinks, everyone around you keeps

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<v Speaker 2>calling you smart and awesome and amazing, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>just get your your your rocks off by how by

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<v Speaker 2>you get your ego boosted by it by what other

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<v Speaker 2>people think of you instead of what what the what

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<v Speaker 2>the ideal?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I fucking don't. I hate talking on

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<v Speaker 2>here about like what the ideal healthy thing to do

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<v Speaker 2>is because I don't know, because I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>this shit out myself. But like it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>that the ideal healthy thing to do is to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you know, get your idea of who you are

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<v Speaker 2>from from within and not rely on the opinions of

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<v Speaker 2>other people, both you know, believing them when they tell

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<v Speaker 2>you negative things and believing them when they tell you

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<v Speaker 2>positive things, and just fucking uh, you know, believing what

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<v Speaker 2>you decide to believe about yourself. Well, that's cool, man.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna become a hacker. You're gonna hack shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what's funny is cybersecurity is such a

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<v Speaker 1>broad term. There's a lot of like different shit that

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<v Speaker 1>goes into it. And I kind of don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do. I just I kind of took

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<v Speaker 1>a step forward and said, right, I'm going for so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Hopefully I can take something relatively like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I'm good with technology, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can help.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you, So I want to make money.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was in fifth grade, uh, my friends hacked

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<v Speaker 2>into my Webkins account, And by hacked, I meant I

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<v Speaker 2>told them my password and they logged in and they

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<v Speaker 2>stole These motherfuckers stole all of my furniture from my

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<v Speaker 2>Webkins room and it's in their account now and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still pissed off about it. Can we do you have

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<v Speaker 2>the skills to locate the sixteen year old Webkins account

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<v Speaker 2>and get back in and take my stuff back. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we do that, you know, just.

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<v Speaker 1>A therapy get go for all the times you use

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<v Speaker 1>helps me fall asleep. I sure will. What's the what's

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<v Speaker 1>the Webkins name account? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know. I don't even I actually don't

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<v Speaker 2>even remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I still I'll still try to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my password was like Mario sixty four or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good password.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, shit, man, I don't. I just I hope if

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<v Speaker 2>you get genuinely, you seem like a really smart, really

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<v Speaker 2>good guy, and so I hope, uh, genuinely that if

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<v Speaker 2>you get anything out of this phone call, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you fucking do. Dude, don't write yourself off. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the it's the saddest thing to me when other people,

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<v Speaker 2>when people like write them selves off permanently, especially so young,

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<v Speaker 2>because I really and it's hard. I've been in the

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<v Speaker 2>thick of it. I write myself off constantly. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you do need an outside perspective to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that you're cashing into early by believing that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be dumb forever because you have some paint. I mean, biologically,

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<v Speaker 2>you have lost some brain cells. That's true. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to hold the element. But that's fine, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine. You know, you don't need that many brain

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<v Speaker 2>cells to function in society. And having shitty I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have shitty memory. I've been like smoking a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>pot every day for years. And that's why when people

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<v Speaker 2>that's why people tell me their name and I forget

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<v Speaker 2>it instantly. But whatever, you know, I can still function

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<v Speaker 2>in society and be a human being and provide value

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<v Speaker 2>to myself and others, and so can you. God damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm just I'm so glad the person outside of

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<v Speaker 1>myself to tell you that. With the therapy, get go.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Johnny, is there anything else that you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about or or fucking any any any anything before

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<v Speaker 2>we go.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Johnny Karate. I like sucking Cox, linging rock,

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<v Speaker 1>sucking dick and eaton klitz.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice later on, Johnny Karate, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love your therapy. I go take care.

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<v Speaker 2>That guy's got some cool hobbies. Hey, folks, this is Lyle.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very excited to announce that I am going

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<v Speaker 2>back on tour in twenty twenty four to do Therapy

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<v Speaker 2>Gecko live all across the country. If you've never been

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<v Speaker 2>to one of my live shows before, they are extremely fun, unpredictable,

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<v Speaker 2>wild evenings that involve a mix of group Gecko therapyessions

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<v Speaker 2>as well as some material and presentations from myself. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you've been to the show before, I have new

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<v Speaker 2>great time at the live show, So I hope to

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<v Speaker 2>see you guys there. Go to Therapy geckotour dot com

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<v Speaker 2>bunch more dates very soon. Gek Bluss Yo, Hey, Hey, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your name? Yeah? This is this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>the Gek you know what? I actually meant to call

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<v Speaker 2>someone else, but uh, let's talk. Let's talk. What's up man?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Mick Love? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What can I do?

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<v Speaker 2>What can I do you for.

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<v Speaker 3>I am in a creative slump at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Moment, Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of do YouTube a little bit mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 3>and later on down the line, I just I just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of quit. I don't know how to Sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of nervous. I didn't think I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>get a car.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of YouTube videos you make?

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<v Speaker 3>H different? You know, junk junk videos? I talk about ship.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a video that I made a big rant

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<v Speaker 3>about a light bulb that uses Wi Fi.

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<v Speaker 2>A light bulb that uses Wi Fi? What kind of

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<v Speaker 2>light bulb is this?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's called micro or some ship micro?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what what do you mean by junk videos?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just talked about the ship and all that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm I started doing reviews of games.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we're just talking about different stuff, kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>a moist.

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<v Speaker 2>Critical as you texted me actually and you said you

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<v Speaker 2>said what you said? You said, I used to do

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<v Speaker 2>crazy experiments.

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<v Speaker 3>What is antal thing I'll go through so.

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<v Speaker 2>Back?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping this is because it use it was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>What what kind of experiments were these?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see what things will feel good to

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<v Speaker 3>my penis. Okay, So I actually made my name up

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<v Speaker 3>on valery. You probably look it up somewhere. And I

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<v Speaker 3>stick my I wanted to see how it felt to

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<v Speaker 3>stick my penis and uh, Wendy Frosty's.

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<v Speaker 2>And how did it feel.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a fucking uh, let's see frostbite. It

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<v Speaker 3>did not feel great. I had to use fucking heat,

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<v Speaker 3>the heat just to fucking get it out directly from

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck event.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you like?

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<v Speaker 2>It got stuck in there?

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<v Speaker 3>It kind of did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What flavor frosty was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? I think it was strawberry.

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<v Speaker 2>How long did you leave your penis submerged in the frosty?

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<v Speaker 3>Forty five minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>You put your penis in a frosty for forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and that's where the thing came from. I come

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<v Speaker 3>and Wendy's Frosty's and that was my steam name for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a real video that I like. If

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<v Speaker 2>I looked for it on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>No, oh no, just's say the video. This is what

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<v Speaker 3>I used to do with the kids. Then there was

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<v Speaker 3>no videos of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, uh oh, okay, so you so when just when

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<v Speaker 2>you were a kid, you you did weird experiments like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, why did you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Why'd you do it for forty five minutes?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I forgot about a condo.

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<v Speaker 2>What other experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I uh, let's see, I wanted to try putting

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<v Speaker 3>in gravy. That wasn't the great. Uh, there was one

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<v Speaker 3>time that this is when it kind of stopped. But

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<v Speaker 3>I used to work at Butterball, the Turkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Place and.

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<v Speaker 3>Butterball butall turkey plant And I'll ask one of my coworkers, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you steal a turkey stuck, can do a expeeriment to

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<v Speaker 3>it real quick?

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking with me right now?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not, okay, I'm being dead ass.

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<v Speaker 2>You told your coworker to make a turkey bawl for

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<v Speaker 2>you to stick your penis in.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I said, We're going to steal a

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<v Speaker 3>whole turkey, the whole last turkey, and take it somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just go to see how it feels and to

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<v Speaker 3>just throw it away, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I get that's like a that's like beast reality and

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<v Speaker 2>necrophilia kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the turkey was dead and it's like skinned and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm mean, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That was old me. I don't do that ship anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was it a raw turkey.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What what happened to your penis after you did that?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? I'd have built too good.

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<v Speaker 2>See this is weird. What's the like, what's the ethics

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<v Speaker 2>on turkey necrophilia? Because like a lot of people eat

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<v Speaker 2>turkeys and that's bad. I guess, But well, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's that that's okay. But if you and it's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's not okay to have sex with a live turkey,

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<v Speaker 2>but if it's okay to kill turkey? Whiz? Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably. I mean i'm leaning towards No, I'm leaning

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<v Speaker 2>towards it's not. But I guess why is it bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Why can you not fuck a dead turkey but you

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<v Speaker 2>can eat it?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it is a good question.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, it's not a good question. You're right,

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<v Speaker 3>You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that is that? Is that all of your

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<v Speaker 2>experiments that I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can think of? Okay, but about the turkey, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>actually get to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you didn't actually stick your penis in the turkey?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean that's why did you get fired because

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<v Speaker 2>be and.

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<v Speaker 3>My buddy we're walking out with it and we both

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<v Speaker 3>got fired.

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<v Speaker 2>The person who fired you didn't find out what you

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<v Speaker 2>were actually planning to do with the turkey, did they?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? No, I said I was, and give it to

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<v Speaker 3>my uh, to my cousin with cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's I guess that's the opposite of fucking a

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<v Speaker 2>turkey is giving it to a guy with cancer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the opposite. What I guess the opposite of

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<v Speaker 2>fucking a turkey would be. I guess it would be

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<v Speaker 2>not fucking a turkey. But that's not really an opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>That's more just like a absence. Yeah, so you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a creative rut? Why are you in a creative rut?

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<v Speaker 3>That was a word creative rut? It because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>feel like my prom isn't really good. Like I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>you just had to keep posting until something happens.

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<v Speaker 1>As well.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people told me, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you Why do you think your content's not good?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you can't. You have this feel a whole on

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<v Speaker 2>But you have this feeling right now that is creating

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<v Speaker 2>a creative rut to you for you, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even express why you have that feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I I think it's because I've done it x

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<v Speaker 3>amount of like gears, and then nothing really has grown

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<v Speaker 3>like I've I had. I made like three channels. I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of put down two of them and start a

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<v Speaker 3>new one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what kind of video you want?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I haven't posted any lately, mostly game videos that

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<v Speaker 3>I made. My I made like a whole video of

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<v Speaker 3>me streaming uh elder ring. Then I, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I talk about dumb ship, uh make reviews for games.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually working on a review with a buddy, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's taken a long time because my computer blew up.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you this. Are you having fun?

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Are you enjoying making these videos?

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 3>I did? Yeah, before my blew up?

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>You did before your computer blew up? What do you mean?

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>So? I was making a video and my my scream

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 3>scar discovering and I heard all he was hurt, and

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 3>my computer just fucking blew up the power supply. All right,

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 3>it was the old computers.

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Like, what do you make? What are you making videos with? Now?

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 3>I bought one?

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, are you having on making the videos that you're

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>making on the computer? You're making them with now.

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, I haven't stolen yet because I had to do

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 3>that whole process again of like making sure my sound

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 3>is good. I've been trying to work extra hard. I

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 3>do door d ash and and I work at a

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 3>different job.

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because look, I know it's like, I know it

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>sounds trying to know what everyone says, but it is true.

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like, as long as you're having fun with the

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 2>actual process of making the videos, the outcome is irrelevant

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>because all the outcome does is enable you to live

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>in more of the process kind.

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Of the the outcome is a motivator, is.

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 2>A motivator, Yeah, it's a motivator. Yeah, it is a motivator,

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's a legitimate motivator because you can get addicted

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>to watching videos like blow up and stuff. But at

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, the real motivation should should

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 2>be just from a simple enjoyment of actually making the

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>videos themselves. Okay, And if you're doing that, you're winning,

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 3>M And there's another thing. I'm trying to get My

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 3>brother's thirteen. We we'll call him Johnny. Yeah, I'm trying

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 3>to get him, you know. Now, have to work the

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 3>nine of even all that bullshit you know, I want

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 3>to make a game with him, but I don't know

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 3>where to start.

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to make a game with your thirteen

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>year old brother?

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, I've already made like I've already made like

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>a project name. It was a It was a project

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 3>that I had an idea for for a fucking long time.

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 3>It was over like dreams I've had of it, and

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 3>it was a The project name was a called tron

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Try gone X. Okay, yeah, and it's kind of a

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 3>little bit like thar On Phantasies in a way, but

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 3>but still it's going to have his own elements.

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>So you're asking me how to make a video game?

0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 3>No, I guess, Yeah.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I don't know how to make a video game.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, Well how would you think we start.

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>In a way, I dude, My answer is you google

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>how to make a video game. I mean, I don't know, man,

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>there's other day like I I'm sorry, I don't have

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>any better advice for you other than to look it up,

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, ask chat GPT. By the way that goes

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>for it, By the way that that honestly almost certain

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that kind of goes for anyone who would ever call

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>into this podcast to ask me anything. I was just

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>ask chat GPT. You'll actually give you a way better

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>answer than anything that I will say. Really, yeah, I

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>use chat. I ask chat GPT about all everything. It's great.

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm so I'm excited for AI to take over or

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>humanity because it's it's kind of better than humanity in

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 2>some degrees.

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 3>It's more objective in a way, but a little scary

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, man, maybe I'll make a geck GPT that uh,

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the fuck it would do. But

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, Yeah, man, why don't you just go on

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>make going like RPG maker or like just google how

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>to make a video game? Yeah, I'll just But no

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>matter what, I'm just glad that you you've evolved beyond

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>sticking your dick and frosties and you're trying to do

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>more productive things. That's That's what I've gleaned from this conversation.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Uh mcloven, is anything else you want to say to

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the people of the computer before we go?

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Stay safe out there and keep your dreams alive.

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, man, I look forward to catching your game

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>on Steamy love me, go take care man.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 3>You too.

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Hi, Hey, Hey, what's up man?

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 4>Not much?

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>What's your name? I'm gonna call you Alex.

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 4>Hi, you can call me Joe.

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay. I wanted to call you Alex because I'm gonna

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>forget if I I've I've learned now because I just

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>fuck I forget everyone's name because I have some weird

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>form of brain damage, I think, and I've noticed that

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll remember people's names better if I give them a name.

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Alex is good?

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you prefer? If you prefer Joe, I'll call you Joe.

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, it's it's your show.

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 3>You do whatever you want.

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 4>It's all good.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>What I want is for you know what. I'm gonna

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 2>call you Alex? Alex? What's up man? How can I

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 2>get you today? Uh?

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 4>It's going pretty good.

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean I just these sort of intrusive thoughts for

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 4>a while, and I just sort of wanted to talk

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 4>about it.

0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what kind of into thoughts.

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 4>It's sort of intrusive thoughts about harming people.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. How long have it? It's not go ahead.

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 4>It's been happening like a long time. I'm not sure

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 4>exactly when it started, but it's just sort of whenever

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 4>I have like a negative like a memory with the

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 4>negative association to it. I just get these sort of

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 4>intrusive thoughts where I want to like hurt someone or

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 4>like I just get it's not comfortable for me, you know,

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 4>It's like it makes me feel like I'm like I

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 4>could potentially be dangerous to people around me, and it's

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.479
<v Speaker 4>just I don't know why it happens.

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Are they are you trying to? Are you are these

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>interestive thoughts about hurting specific people or just people?

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 4>No, it's it's never anybody specific.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever spoke look into a real therapist about this?

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>What's preventing you from doing that?

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess I don't really respect Western therapy.

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, I empathize with that. Yeah, I know I

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I I empathize with that plight of not respecting uh,

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Western therapy. But I do think if if you really

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>are struggling with this thing where you feel like you

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:38.439
<v Speaker 2>might be a potential danger to other people, and it's

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 2>like totally fucking you up. Uh, you know it's it's

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 2>it's within your agency to attempt to do something about it, right,

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:52.919
<v Speaker 2>and and and talking to somebody who maybe you know, look,

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm just a dumbass and a gecko costume. And I

0:34:54.840 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 2>think talking to somebody who actually understands how these thoughts

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>work would be helpful to you. And I've actually been

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 2>thinking about this because I know that you know a

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of people that just can't afford therapy. I don't

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:10.439
<v Speaker 2>know if you haven't even shure that's.

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Definitely part of it too.

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:13.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm not I don't have money.

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you insurance?

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm not insurance don't covered therapy though, Okay, I mean

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 4>I liked the idea of just sort of talking to

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 4>somebody as more of a clean slate understanding of things

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 4>just from you know, their own life experience. I don't

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 4>think there's necessarily that much value and like the education

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 4>that a therapist would have, and I and like you

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 4>got like a fifty to fifty shot of getting a

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 4>good one.

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I respect those thoughts, but it's still worth it

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 2>to try. I'm kind of a hypocrite because I've also

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 2>been like kind of avoidant with actual therapy myself. But

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.239
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck was I going to say? The money thing?

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I actually I'm going to get back to

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.319
<v Speaker 2>one of this because I've actually been thinking about this

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot because there's so many people who like you know,

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 2>struggle with like they just can't fucking afford it. And

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that there are resources out there to get it,

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to get real therapy, like through like a community center

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 2>or a college or something like that.

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they definitely are. I just honestly, I just

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 4>haven't looked into its.

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like low, I feel like, so I my whole

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>thing is I'm perpetually like playing house here. You know,

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a real theory. I'm just like fucking chilling,

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to make a podcast, trying to have fun, trying

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 2>to you know, that's.

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 4>Really more more what I'm looking for than an actual

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 4>like sit down healing.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no, these are not too These are

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>not two things. This is not an either or this

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>is this. We can do them both, you know what

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean. Like, I'm happy to talk to you about

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, but you should talk to a real person

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, honestly, I think it's just for me. It's it's

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 4>been something that's tough to talk about. It's like not

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 4>something that's that's really really accepted, and it's just I mean, like,

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 4>this is the first time I've ever like verbalized.

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>This at all ever to anyone.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's just, yes, how old are you?

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how long have you been having these thoughts?

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Definitely at least the last few years, and I honestly

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 4>don't know when it started.

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you've never acted on any of these thoughts, have you?

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 4>I have trained a lot of martial arts, and I've

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 4>like there have been times where I've accidentally hurt someone,

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>Like one time I in wrestling, I've like seriously hurt

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 4>somebody's knee, and that like like that's something that I

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 4>almost had like PTSD from for a while, just like

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 4>like the sound of somebody's knee getting ripped apart.

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Well as should was it was that in high school

0:37:58.040 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>or college?

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 4>It was it was actually afterwards I was, uh twenty one.

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 4>It is training at a jiu jitsu gym, in a

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 4>wrestling classic gym.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>But that did that have anything to do with these

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>these thoughts that you have.

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 4>No, It's almost like it feels like like the opposite,

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, like when I have like a memory of that,

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:26.439
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's painful for me, and then I get

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 4>that same sort of feeling when I have one.

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Of these.

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, mm hmm, How often. How often do you have

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 2>these thoughts.

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 4>At least daily?

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, mm hmm. Do you do you notice like specific

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>like stimulus that bring these thoughts on?

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like usually if I remember uh like it could

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 4>be anything, but like some sort of memory with the

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 4>negative association or it will usually trigger m hm. That

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of interesting thought for me.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, someone strove by uh my apartment blasting music

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.959
<v Speaker 2>really loudly, and you know it's triggering some of minds

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:27.919
<v Speaker 2>truest of thoughts as well.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Mhmm.

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I I well, okay, let me, I guess, let me

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 2>do this because I really do think you got to

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>go talk to a real therapist. This is like totally

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.760
<v Speaker 2>something you got to go talk to a real therapist about.

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 2>But like, I like.

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 3>But.

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you this, okay, hold on, hold on,

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 2>But but like just like as a dude, it just

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.439
<v Speaker 2>has two dudes on the phone, Like, is there any

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>way that is like, how can I help you with this?

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Just as two dudes on the phone.

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if there's really any anything in particular

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 4>that I was looking for in terms of help. I

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 4>just like I thought that this was a good way

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 4>to get that out. Like this it's like an anonymous thing,

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't actually have to talk to somebody face to face.

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how do you how do you feel about that?

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 2>The fact that you like talking about it on an

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 2>anonymous thing.

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 4>It it feels good too, not just have that inside.

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Like it's not like saying something magically, you know, fixes everything.

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 2>But right, But I I guess I hope like talking

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.759
<v Speaker 2>to me, you're kind of understanding that, like you, if

0:40:55.800 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 2>you just let this stuff boil, it's just gonna like

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't, I do not know, but I don't. I

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know you, but I don't think that you're like

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 2>just from talking to you and from like understanding at

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 2>the most surface fucking level that I could understand, Like

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't seem as though you're a dangerous person or

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 2>a threat to other people, you know, but you just

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>have these thoughts that are troublesome, and these thoughts are

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 2>are making your life more difficult to live. And I

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 2>hope you understand that. Uh, And I don't know, man,

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>we all have thoughts in our brain that make our

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 2>lives more difficult to live. And I'm no expert in

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>how to deal with those thoughts or get rid of

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>them or anything. Like that, but I I the optimistic

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>part of my brain says that it's possible, you know.

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>And so I guess if you leave this conversation with anything,

0:41:55.400 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>it's it's I hope an optimism that there exists uh

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 2>ways for you to deal with these thoughts so that

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to keep living in fear of them.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Mhm.

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you feel that way?

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it sort of worries me, like, like I just

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 4>I have this sort of subconscious urge in me to

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 4>commit violence, you know, like I I when I was

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 4>a kid, I used to fight a lot, like with

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 4>my brother, with other people, and I like to fight.

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 4>That's like an other things that I like doing. And

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:45.359
<v Speaker 4>you know, sometimes like in the context of fighting, it's

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 4>good to be able to you know, be violent. But

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 4>I just worry sometimes that it will get away from me.

0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, man, like I think, I actually think

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>this is good that you like recognize this about yourself,

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 2>because now before this gets out of hand, you have

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to go deal with it, you know, and

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.839
<v Speaker 2>I think you should. You should. I completely empathize why

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you feel skeptical about all the methods that people typically

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 2>use to deal with these kind of things, but I

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 2>implore you to drop your skepticism and be open minded

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>because it might help. I mean, shit, you were open

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>minded enough to call me and talk about this on

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.240
<v Speaker 2>a podcast in front of a bunch of people.

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I get Maybe it's just like, you know,

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 4>trust to people is hard, you know, like putting my

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 4>whole self in somebody's hands like that, and you're like saying, here,

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 4>can you help me with this? It's it's hard, Like

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 4>with this sort of an honest thing. It's just like

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 4>we're having a conversation. It's fine, but I I I

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 4>definitely need to work on, you know, being able to

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 4>trust somebody with that.

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm. Why is I mean? I guess real therapy

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 2>is also just kind of having a conversation.

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean basically that's what it is. Talking to

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 4>people helps.

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>M h.

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 4>I'll talk to my homes sometimes about ship like this.

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:28.240
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know what is what do your friends say.

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 4>About this particularly? I haven't ever mentioned, but just like

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, other things, like like me and my friends

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 4>will have our own problems, so we'll talk about things.

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 4>We'll get deep sometimes, but never really now, I never,

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:48.919
<v Speaker 4>never really talked about this, But I mean, like when

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 4>I I think it's part of it might be from

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 4>when I was a kid. I like my brother believed

0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 4>me a lot. I really hated him for it, and

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.360
<v Speaker 4>like I would like it, Like I really really hated him.

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 4>And I remember being like eight years old and I

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 4>and like he would just be like blowing me relentlessly.

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 4>He was fucking awful, and I just wanted to like

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 4>get a knife from the kitchen, go into his room

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 4>and fucking kill him.

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and.

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Like that that was just something that like every night

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:27.879
<v Speaker 4>I would think about when I was like eight years old.

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.399
<v Speaker 4>And like for me, I feel like like what kept

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 4>my eight year old self from doing it was fear

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 4>of consequences more than like any sort of morality.

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 2>M hm.

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 4>So I think, I mean I've never talked about once

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 4>in my life. I think that might be a big

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 4>part of where that sort of violent impulse comes from.

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Like you feel like you're still holding on to that

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 2>that anger from when you were.

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:06.320
<v Speaker 4>Eight, Yeah, because I can't really direct that anger towards

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 4>my brother anymore. Like I understand, like we're both kids.

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like it's not his fault. He's not the same

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 4>person it was that I'm not the same person wasn't

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 4>but that like to that hatred and that anger is

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.720
<v Speaker 4>still in there, it's just not directed to anybody.

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So the question, the question becomes like how do you

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>deal how do you deal with this hatred and anger

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>that's just in you, that's just like a part of you.

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>How do you deal with it in a healthy way

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't involve.

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I think directing towards good things, like right directing it

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 4>like through exercise and like training martial arts and stuff

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 4>like that has helped me. It's great, but like it's

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 4>still there, you know, it's just like he needs to

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 4>find it out with. I don't know if it's possible

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:56.400
<v Speaker 4>to get rid of it, Like it's just part of me.

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it's something that develops or if

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 4>it's something that was always there, but I think it's

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 4>just something that you sort of have to have to

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 4>live with.

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 2>So you you have found in martial arts and and

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 2>and in exercise some form of outlet for these feelings

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:20.760
<v Speaker 2>that feels positive.

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, just like getting out the sort of like

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 4>you can put as much aggression as you want as

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 4>you want into a Barbelle you're not going to hurt it,

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:35.959
<v Speaker 4>you know, like but yeah, I mean, like martial arts

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:37.919
<v Speaker 4>was good, but there like there have been a couple

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 4>of times where like I hurt somebody on accident with

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 4>like a submission or or like during wrestling, just something

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 4>some weird scramble happens when something pops, and that like

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 4>really gets to me. So it's like I have this

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 4>feeling that I want to at the same time, I

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 4>know that anytime I have hurt somebody, it's been the

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:58.959
<v Speaker 4>most awful experience of my life.

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>M mm hmm. Well, I mean, let me say this,

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm hopeful that talking about this

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and being willing to talk about this on you know,

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 2>on a fucking podcast like I I hope it is

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a catalyst for you to go and talk about it

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 2>with a professional, because it sounds like that would be

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>helpful to you.

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 4>The one thing another thing that is the whole Like

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 4>if you say to a therapist that you think about

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 4>hurting yourself or hurting somebody else, they immediately just for

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 4>you and crazy people.

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Go do not quote me on this because I might

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 2>be wrong, but go ahead and look it up. I'm

0:48:53.520 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure, they only do that if you have a plan, right,

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I do, But I know, I that's what I think

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm but I don't know. I don't know, So don't

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 2>don't quote me on that. But I I don't think

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that should stop you even.

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 4>Okay, well yeah, I'll definitely at least think about it.

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, please, it's.

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, but I mean I appreciate you just like

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 4>listening and talking to me about it.

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, of course, Joe Alex. What I'm gonna just

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll stick with Alex Alex. Hm hmm. Is there anything

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.800
<v Speaker 2>else like with this that just while we're on the phone,

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>that you know you wanted to talk about, or that

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I can help you with or anything like that?

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 4>I think, I I like the thing that where like

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 4>the thoughts I had when I was a kid about

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 4>my brother that was That was the second thing. But

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't think there's a third thing.

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Did it feel like because this is something

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you've never talked about, did it feel good to talk

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>about this, especially in like a like a public form.

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.359
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it being public or probably really makes

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 4>a difference.

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, did I.

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 4>Just getting the words out?

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:22.919
<v Speaker 3>Definitely? Help.

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, and again I hope that you like you

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 2>like take stock and you're like, Okay, it felt good

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.399
<v Speaker 2>to like talk about this and explore this, and that

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 2>that encourages you to go, like see your professional. I

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 2>hear that even if you're skeptical, because here's the because

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I just, I just I guess, like, I don't know

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>what else you're gonna do if you're not going to

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 2>do that, you know, and I mean I think that

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>you're doing. I commend you for doing it for you know,

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 2>in the way that you are taking into your hands

0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 2>of like trying to find like positive outlets. I think

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 2>you should keep doing that. But I don't think those

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 2>two things are mutually exclusive.

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:13.520
<v Speaker 4>For sure. Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely getting some like

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 4>talking to a professional can't help them will help.

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Alex. Is there anything else you want to say to

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the people the computer before we go?

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if if there's anything that you guys, feel

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 4>like makes you different from other people that you're afraid

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 4>to talk about. If you feel like you're like some

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 4>like a broken toy inside or like something happened to

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:44.919
<v Speaker 4>you when you're a kid, I mean, everybody has that,

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.879
<v Speaker 4>Like there's no there's no perfect person. There's no real

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 4>saying person. Everybody's got a thing that makes them like

0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 4>a little bit fucked up. So I mean, just for

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 4>just giving your self permission to to be flawed is

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 4>really important.

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for calling, Alex.

0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I just thought about it. I just what about those

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:16.399
<v Speaker 2>rage rooms? I really want to go to one of those.

0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 2>You guys know what I'm talking about? The rage rooms

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.160
<v Speaker 2>with like, uh, they just give you a bat and

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 2>some glasses and you break some plates. You know. I

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>know I told them to go see a real therapist,

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 2>but I take it back. I think you should take

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the money and go to a rage room instead, or

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 2>like maybe a batting cage. Darts, No, darts aren't violent enough.

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 2>You could sit and play Grand Theft Auto for a

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit. That always helps me. Can I get a

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>promo code for a rage room? Does anyone listening to

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 2>this podcast run a local rage room that I can

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.760
<v Speaker 2>get a promo code for? Give it to the people.

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.399
<v Speaker 2>I want to go to one. When I was a kid,

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I used to, Uh, my friends and I would go

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 2>to Goodwill and we would buy all these like little trinkets,

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 2>like glass trinkets, like the stuff that you got at

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:14.360
<v Speaker 2>your grandma's house and we would go to this empty

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 2>cul de sac and we would just smash the fucking trinkets,

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and uh, that was some of the most fun I've

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 2>had in my life. That really gets it out, that

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.400
<v Speaker 2>really gets it out of you. You know, I don't know,

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 2>If I don't know, maybe maybe a rage room is

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 2>a form of therapy. Yeah, yeah, Alex, if you're listening,

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 2>go to I mean, I I was joking. You should.

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Also you should go to a real therapist, but hey,

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.839
<v Speaker 2>maybe in the meantime, try a rage room. That could

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.720
<v Speaker 2>be good.

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night ever,

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.560
<v Speaker 1>goes to just teaching you loud and

0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Expert