WEBVTT - The Devil's Chat Room: Ethan Melzer, Pt. 1

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<v Speaker 1>Coozone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>On May twenty sixth, twenty twenty, a U. S. Army

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<v Speaker 2>private stationed in Italy celebrated his twenty second birthday. He

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<v Speaker 2>was blissfully unaware that the FBI had spent that day

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<v Speaker 2>confirming his identity as the Nazi Satanist who was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get Al Qaeda to wipe out his entire unit.

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<v Speaker 1>Half a world away.

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<v Speaker 2>That very same day, Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin knelt

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<v Speaker 2>on an unarmed man's neck for nine minutes. In twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine seconds, the man cried out, saying.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>He begged the officer not to kill him. He cried

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<v Speaker 2>out for his mother, and then he fell silent. The

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<v Speaker 2>murder of George Floyd was caught on camera by a

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<v Speaker 2>bystander in Protests against this act of police brutality started

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<v Speaker 2>within hours in the Minneapolis area. The video spread rapidly,

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<v Speaker 2>and so did the protests. In the months that followed,

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<v Speaker 2>protest marches, rallies, and memorials were held in thousands of cities,

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<v Speaker 2>reaching every state in the country and dozens of countries

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. Millions of Americans took to the streets

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<v Speaker 2>and public squares to protest police brutality, and in countless cities,

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<v Speaker 2>the police responded by demonstrating the very brutality that people

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<v Speaker 2>were protesting. Three days after the murder, then President Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump tweeted, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. By Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>June first, less than a week after George Floyd's murder,

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<v Speaker 2>the president was publicly threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act,

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<v Speaker 2>which would allow him to use the military to put

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<v Speaker 2>down civil disorder. Governors in more than thirty states activated

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<v Speaker 2>the National Guard to assist state and local police in

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<v Speaker 2>responding to the protests. Governors in twelve states deployed National

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<v Speaker 2>Guard troops to Washington, d C. At the request of

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<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon. On June second, a hundred members of the

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio National Guard received orders that they'd be heading to

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<v Speaker 2>the nation's capital that afternoon. The administrator of a small

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<v Speaker 2>telegram channel for fans of a fascist YouTuber posted, they

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<v Speaker 2>activated my unit and were getting real ammunition to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>and kill.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended the message by.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying rahoa a portmanteau of the phrase racial holy war,

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<v Speaker 2>a Nazi rallying cry. He told his followers that they

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<v Speaker 2>may not hear from him again, but they might hear

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<v Speaker 2>about him in the news. Some urged him not to

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<v Speaker 2>do anything stupid, others egged him on, telling him he

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<v Speaker 2>should accelerate the collapse. They were thrilled at the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>that full scale civil conflict could be incited by shooting

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<v Speaker 2>into the crowd of protesters in Washington, d C. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the race war really was about to begin. Whether he

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<v Speaker 2>was just ship posting, or if he really was considering

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<v Speaker 2>kicking off the race war.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll never know.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're to take him at his word, always a

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<v Speaker 2>shaky proposition. He was deployed with his National Guard unit

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<v Speaker 2>at Lafayette Park just outside the White House when FBI

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<v Speaker 2>agents from the Joint Terrorism Task Force showed up to

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<v Speaker 2>have a chat. Soon after, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine announced

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<v Speaker 2>that one of the National guardsmen he'd sent to DC

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<v Speaker 2>was being called back. On June fifth, twenty twenty, Governor

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<v Speaker 2>de Wine tweeted, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to take a moment to address a situation regarding

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<v Speaker 3>a member of the Ohio National Guard who was removed

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<v Speaker 3>from the mission in Washington, d C. After the FBI

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<v Speaker 3>uncovered information that this guardsman expressed white supremacist ideology on

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet prior to the assignment.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't name the guardsman in question, and no explanation

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<v Speaker 2>was offered about what exactly had been said, where it

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<v Speaker 2>was said, or how the FBI came to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Holt at right Wing Watch uncovered the small telegram

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<v Speaker 2>channel where those comments had been made a few days later,

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<v Speaker 2>and journalists at the nonprofit media collective Unicorn Riot quickly

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<v Speaker 2>identified the man in question as Shandon Simpson, a former

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<v Speaker 2>member of the now defunct neo Nazi organization Vanguard America,

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<v Speaker 2>who had been photographed standing shoulder to shoulder with James

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Fields Junior at the United the Right rally in

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<v Speaker 2>Charlettsville in twenty seventeen, just hours before Fields committed a

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<v Speaker 2>hate crime murder. But that still didn't explain why the

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<v Speaker 2>governor of Ohio was making public statements about an FBI

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into this guardsman, especially considering no charges had been filed.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson claims he was held in solitary confinement for a week,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Ohio National Guard has disputed that claim. He

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<v Speaker 2>was never charged with a crime and later received a

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<v Speaker 2>general discharge from the National Guard. It wasn't until a

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<v Speaker 2>federal criminal case against Ethan Melzer was unsealed two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>later that the pieces fell into place. They hadn't been

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<v Speaker 2>investigating Shandon Simpson at all. They just happened to come

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<v Speaker 2>across his posts about murdering protesters in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>While they were investigating.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone else's plot to murder an entire platoon of United

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<v Speaker 2>States Army paratroopers five thousand miles away. I'm Molly Conger

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<v Speaker 2>in this is weird, Little Guys. This episode is coming

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<v Speaker 2>out on Halloween. That didn't occur to me until halfway

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<v Speaker 2>through the week. I don't have a great sense of

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<v Speaker 2>even under the best of circumstances. But when I realized that,

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<v Speaker 2>I ditch what I was working on and tried to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with something halloweeny. I think that's something people

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<v Speaker 2>do right. I should have seasonal themed episodes. But what

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean to do a Halloween episode of a

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<v Speaker 2>show where every episode is about a monster? How can

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<v Speaker 2>you go spookier than we already are getting every week?

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<v Speaker 4>But then I.

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<v Speaker 2>Realized what's scarier and Satan himself. This story has all

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<v Speaker 2>the classic weird little guy stuff. It's got neo Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got white supremacist troops. It's got hate groups splintering

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<v Speaker 2>off into new hate groups because of our cane interna scene,

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<v Speaker 2>ideological squabbles and power struggles and personal beefs. It's got

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<v Speaker 2>a foiled terror plot, and a court record full of

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<v Speaker 2>peerful letters from friends and family insisting that the young

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<v Speaker 2>man they know really isn't as bad as you think.

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<v Speaker 2>But this episode is a little different because the evil

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<v Speaker 2>guys were talking about aren't shying away from that label.

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<v Speaker 2>They want you to think they're evil. They're devil worshiping,

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<v Speaker 2>neo Nazis, hell bent on ending life as we know it.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is not about Shandon Simpson. Don't worry, Shandon.

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<v Speaker 2>Today is not your day. When I met Shandon last year,

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<v Speaker 2>while I was covering a pro Russia rally masquerading as

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<v Speaker 2>an anti war protest at the Lincoln Memorial, he denied

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<v Speaker 2>ever having been a member of Adam Waffen or any

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<v Speaker 2>related groups. Now, personally, I don't think he was telling

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<v Speaker 2>me the truth, but it's not exactly easy to prove

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<v Speaker 2>someone was a member of a secret of organization, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's never been charged with anything, So I guess we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just have to agree to disagree, but it can be

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<v Speaker 2>said without dispute that Shandon Simpson was a member of

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<v Speaker 2>a telegram channel for a group called rape Waffen. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>rape Waffen. I'm so sorry because that's what we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about today. And just a quick note at the top,

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<v Speaker 2>this show doesn't have content warnings because it's always about

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<v Speaker 2>something bad. I don't want to get into the discourse

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<v Speaker 2>about content warnings. They certainly have their place, but this

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<v Speaker 2>show is never not going to be about violence, and

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<v Speaker 2>it would be redundant to mention it every time.

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<v Speaker 1>But the particular.

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<v Speaker 2>Subsect of Nazi Satanists we're talking about today are really

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<v Speaker 2>really obsessed with sexual violence. I'm going to use the

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<v Speaker 2>word rape a lot, but there aren't any descriptions of

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<v Speaker 2>anyone actually being sexually assaulted. A few side characters do

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<v Speaker 2>commit some sexual assaults, and we're found to possess child

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<v Speaker 2>sexual abuse material, but we won't dwell on it in

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of detail. But here's your exit ramp if

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<v Speaker 2>you just aren't in the mood to hear me say

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<v Speaker 2>the word rape thirty or forty times. The fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Shandon Simpson was a member of the rape Waffen telegram

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<v Speaker 2>channel is again undisputed. He said it himself.

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<v Speaker 1>For what it's worth.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson has claimed that he was only a member of

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<v Speaker 2>the chat because he was documenting the malevolent influence of

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<v Speaker 2>Satanism on the fascist movement, which sounds incredibly stupid, but honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>that might be the truth. And I'm not just saying

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<v Speaker 2>that because he has threatened to sue me for merely

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<v Speaker 2>repeating what was published by the Washington Post, which is

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<v Speaker 2>that he was a member of rape Waffen. He takes

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<v Speaker 2>issue with the implication that he was an ideological adherent

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<v Speaker 2>of the group's satanic beliefs. He insists that being a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the channel, which he again doesn't deny, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean he was a member of the group. I can

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<v Speaker 2>kind of see that that might be true, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a distinction without a difference. To me, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>member of Rapewaffen the Telegram Channel, but he insists he

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<v Speaker 2>was not a member of rape Waffen.

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<v Speaker 3>The group.

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<v Speaker 2>Do without what you will, and this allegation got new

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<v Speaker 2>life a few months ago when he was making a

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<v Speaker 2>scene outside the Democratic National Convention with a Hesbula flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Videos of him antagonizing people outside the venue got some

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<v Speaker 2>traction online and people recognized him as a Nazi we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen before, and that two year old Washington Post article

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<v Speaker 2>about him started circulating again.

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<v Speaker 1>So stupid games, stupid brizes, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Take it up with Jeff Bezos, I guess, and in

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<v Speaker 2>his defense, to the degree I'm interested in such a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>He did co author a document in twenty eighteen, two

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<v Speaker 2>years before he was outed as a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>Rape Waffen chat with another former member of Adam Waffen

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<v Speaker 2>outlining the ways in which they felt the movement was

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<v Speaker 2>being damaged by influential Adam Woffen member John Cameron Denton's

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<v Speaker 2>embrace of Satanism. So maybe he was just in there

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<v Speaker 2>collecting evidence. Who can really say. It's not like it

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<v Speaker 2>really clears his name to say, you know, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a huge issue with the Nazi stuff or

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<v Speaker 2>the murders, but this blood magic devil thing is taking

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<v Speaker 2>it in a bad direction.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this episode is not about Shandon Simpson, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not don't worry. But this ideological split within the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi terrorism enthusiast community over whether or not Satanism was

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<v Speaker 2>cool is an important bit of context for where we're.

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<v Speaker 4>Going, I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Rapewaffen was one of the groups to crop up during

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<v Speaker 2>this period of conflict within Adam Woffen about the growing

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<v Speaker 2>influence within the group of the Order of Nine Angles,

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<v Speaker 2>a militant Satanist occult organization that insists it isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi group. It is hard to describe the Order of

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<v Speaker 2>Nine Angles ONA for short, in a way that makes

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<v Speaker 2>any sense, and that's intentional, I mean, quite literally, beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the usual sort of esoteric nature of occult groups. Writings

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<v Speaker 2>attributed to ONA invented a concept called Labyrinthos mythologicus. The

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<v Speaker 2>idea is that the writings are intentionally contradictory, bordering on

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<v Speaker 2>incomprehensible on purpose, and their true meaning is only legible

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<v Speaker 2>to those who are worthy of interpreting them. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get it, that's because you aren't meant to.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of ona's decentralized, leaderless structure, all members are self

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<v Speaker 2>initiated to join the Order of Nine Angles, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to figure it out on your own. The texts are available,

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<v Speaker 2>but the true process, apparently is only revealed to you

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<v Speaker 2>in the course of performing the ritual of self initiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the self initiation ritual involves walking into a

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<v Speaker 2>river and imagining the moon's energy flowing into you, which

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a fine way to spend an evening. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not all moonlight skinny dipping. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>carving swastikas into your own arm with the razor blade

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<v Speaker 2>and then smearing your blood all over a magical race

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<v Speaker 2>war manifesto. I know, I know, these are Nazi wizards

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<v Speaker 2>and they're doing blood magic to conjure demons to end

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<v Speaker 2>the world. This is worse than the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>clan calls their chapters claverns, and the secretary of a

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<v Speaker 2>clavern is called a cli wrap. It's so frustrating that

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<v Speaker 2>these scary murderers all sound like fucking dorks for all

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<v Speaker 2>the trappings of wizardry, though it might help to just

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<v Speaker 2>think of them like any other kind of accelerationists. We've

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<v Speaker 2>talked a lot about accelerationists in other episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Destabilize society and force it into a collapse so that

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<v Speaker 2>something new can be born, just like any right wing

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<v Speaker 2>extremists taking shots at an electrical transformer. All this extra

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<v Speaker 2>stuff about how they believe that collapse paves the way

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<v Speaker 2>for the return of a messianic figure called Vindex, who

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<v Speaker 2>will usher in a new social order called the Imperium,

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<v Speaker 2>during which a new superior race of humans will evolve

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<v Speaker 2>and these new areans will colonize the galaxy. It's not important.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely does not impact your ability to follow this

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<v Speaker 2>story to know more about Nazi Jesus taking the Hitler

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<v Speaker 2>Wizards to space. Quite frankly, I refuse to find out

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<v Speaker 2>more information about the Galactic Imperium. It sounds too stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, I guess every cult ends up in space.

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<v Speaker 2>You dig deep enough into just about any cult they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to space, And like I said, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Confusing on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>You could drive yourself to madness trying to parse out

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<v Speaker 2>what's a metaphor what's a joke, what's intentional obfuscation in

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit of the sinister dialectic, what someone actually believes

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<v Speaker 2>or what they're only pretending to believe. In one telegram

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<v Speaker 2>message from a rape Waffen member, the poster jokes that

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<v Speaker 2>if a federal agent is reading his private messages quote,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to read through hella esoteric conversation and probably

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<v Speaker 2>still doesn't even understand it and I'm not a federal agent,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did read through some of those chats, and

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say he's right. It was hella esoteric, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get all of it. And that's fine, because

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, all you can really judge them by

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<v Speaker 2>is their actions and their impact. Whether or not they

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<v Speaker 2>truly believe the demonic entity index is going to incarnate

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<v Speaker 2>in human form and bring about the imperium, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 2>So for as much time as I spent reading every

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<v Speaker 2>available academic paper on the subject, which is surprisingly few, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure it's going to do much good for

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<v Speaker 2>me to explain more about the a causal realm. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry to any of the cool wizards in the listening audience,

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<v Speaker 2>some of you are very nice people, but my general

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<v Speaker 2>feeling about the ways in which magic and religion exist

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<v Speaker 2>as driving forces in history is that it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>matter what's real. If someone sincerely believes that they are

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<v Speaker 2>practicing magic by engaging in ritual acts that in turn

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<v Speaker 2>have a real world impact, you know, like an act

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<v Speaker 2>of terrorism, What does it mean to say the magic

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<v Speaker 2>isn't real? Does it matter if a spirit was really

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<v Speaker 2>summoned to aid in this act if in the end

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<v Speaker 2>it still happened. And I say that not because I

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<v Speaker 2>think any of you are listening to this on your

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<v Speaker 2>drive to work and asking yourself, oh, are they really

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<v Speaker 2>communing with Satanic deities on another plane of existence? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really think many of you are asking yourselves that,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of you might be asking yourself, do

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<v Speaker 2>they really believe they are doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the answer is the same. Does it matter.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're only pretending to believe it? But it's still

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<v Speaker 2>God the way they operate in this realm, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the real world. What difference does it make if I

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<v Speaker 2>punched you in the face and then said, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>was only pretending I wanted to hurt you. Does that

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<v Speaker 2>change the fact that your nose is bleeding? And as

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<v Speaker 2>for the claims in some owner writings that the group

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<v Speaker 2>is not inherently committed to neo Nazi or fascist ideologies.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the same answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Adherents have claimed that their fondness for Nazi ideology is

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<v Speaker 2>simply a manifestation of a core principle of left hand

0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:42.000
<v Speaker 2>path magic, that is, to be intentionally transgressive and provocative,

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<v Speaker 2>to engage in the most taboo possible behavior, and to

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<v Speaker 2>violate all conceivable social norms. These are things that make

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<v Speaker 2>your magic more potent. There are ono techs that explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>encourage the magical practitioner to adopt things like neo Nazi ideology,

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<v Speaker 2>not because they believe it, but because it is part

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<v Speaker 2>of this sinister strategy, and it will hasten the revolution

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<v Speaker 2>required to bring about the imperium. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell me you don't actually believe the Nazi stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying. But if you're saying Nazi stuff, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing Nazi stuff and your goal is for a demonic

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<v Speaker 2>messiah to wipe out the Jews, your group is a

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi group. If you think a supernatural entity is going

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<v Speaker 2>to return to cleanse the world of subhumans to clear

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<v Speaker 2>the path for a new aryan race, that's Nazi stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how you've tried to obscure that in your

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<v Speaker 2>weird little texts. There is, of course the obvious point

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<v Speaker 2>that the Order of Nine Angles was for decades led

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<v Speaker 2>by a British Nazi named David Mayat. Mayat is a

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<v Speaker 2>strange and mysterious figure for another day, but it's worth

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.679
<v Speaker 2>pointing out that he was also a found member of

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<v Speaker 2>Combat eighteen, a UK based Nazi terrorist organization originally formed

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<v Speaker 2>to act as the violent arm of the British National Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Harold Covington, another Weird Little Guy's recurring character, was also

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<v Speaker 2>instrumental in forming Combat eighteen before he returned home to

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<v Speaker 2>the US to try to get an Ethno state going

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<v Speaker 2>in Idaho and one of Ona's more prolific authors under

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<v Speaker 2>the pen name AA Moraine, was an English Nazi named

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Fleming. When he wasn't writing esoteric Nazi wizard books,

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<v Speaker 2>Fleming was a regional organizer for the UK based terrorist

0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.680
<v Speaker 2>organization National Action, and a pedophile in his spare time.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested again in twenty twenty one after violating

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<v Speaker 2>a court order that prohibited him from having unsupervised contact

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<v Speaker 2>with miners. The court order was put in place after

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<v Speaker 2>his conviction in twenty seventeen for sexually abusing a fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old girl he met on Facebook, and a conviction

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen for imprisoning and sexually abusing a teenage boy.

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<v Speaker 2>He served twenty two months for the first sex crime

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<v Speaker 2>against a child and three years for the second one.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was arrested for trying to do it a

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<v Speaker 2>third time. He got six months, which means he must

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<v Speaker 2>be out and about now. But I couldn't find any

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<v Speaker 2>more recent news coverage. In the course of researching for

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<v Speaker 2>this show, I read a lot of material that I

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<v Speaker 2>do not enjoy. But I did not force myself to

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<v Speaker 2>read this pedophile's wizard books. I just I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do it this week. I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 2>it would have added. I'm kind of a completionist. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, but I didn't. I mean, I'm sure

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>there are some really exciting passages in his book Sithane

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Vampiric Witchcraft of the Dracon Covenant, and honestly this description

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<v Speaker 2>of Codex Aristarkus is a little temping.

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<v Speaker 3>From the bloodstained moors of West Yorkshire, England comes a

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<v Speaker 3>genuinely a moral vampiric praxis, melding the black arts of

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<v Speaker 3>predatory astral vampirism with a harsh ordeal based approach of

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<v Speaker 3>the sinister sevenfold way. In Codex Aristarchus, AA Moran presents

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<v Speaker 3>the definitive collective works of the Dracon Covenant, including vampiric theory,

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 3>rights and methods by which the reader themselves can step

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<v Speaker 3>upon the black path of the vamporee, feeding upon the

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<v Speaker 3>human herd, and taking the treacherous road to confrontation with

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<v Speaker 3>the bleak, ascended masters the undead.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I did, I did?

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<v Speaker 2>I downloaded a copy of it, so I do have

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<v Speaker 2>a copy of Codex Aristarchus. Maybe I'll let you know

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<v Speaker 2>next week if I found out if vampires were real.

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<v Speaker 2>My point is a lot of Nazi perverts are doing

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<v Speaker 2>magical rituals, and all of a sudden, these influential figures

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<v Speaker 2>within Adam Woffin are really encouraging it. So in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>this move towards Satanism was a big point of contention

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 2>within the Accelerationist community. In twenty seventeen, Adam Woffin's founder,

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Russell went to prison. He's back in prison now

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<v Speaker 2>for something else. This was a different thing. It's come

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<v Speaker 2>up a few times in other episodes. This was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a big moment in modern Nazi history, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But Brandon Russell's roommate, Devin Arthur's had murdered their other

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>two roommates. Devin Arthur's conversion to Islam shortly before these

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>murders is often misunderstood as evidence that he was getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of Nazism, because why would a racist convert to Islam?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think this conversation about this strange syncretism is

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<v Speaker 2>better left for another day. I will, eventually, I promise,

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<v Speaker 2>do an episode about the Hitler loving d C transit

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 2>cop who went to prison for sending gift cards to Isis.

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<v Speaker 2>But suffice it to say for now, there is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no contradiction inherent in an American neo Nazi getting really

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<v Speaker 2>interested in the violent side of Islamic extremism, up to

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<v Speaker 2>and including converting to Islam. So after Devin Arthur's told

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<v Speaker 2>the police that he had murdered Jeremy Himmelman and Andrew Onishuk,

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>the cop searched the home that they'd all shared with

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Russell. The police found the dead bodies of two

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Adam Waffen members, obviously, but they also found Brandon Russell's

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>bomb making supplies, so he was down for the count

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, and in his absence, John Cameron Denton

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<v Speaker 2>was among those Adam Waffen members whose influence grew within

0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Adam Woffin. Denton used the pseudonym rape just rape. That's

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 2>what he was called. They called him rape, and based

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<v Speaker 2>on his Internet footprint, Denton had been involved with the

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<v Speaker 2>Order of Nine Angles for several years already, and within

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Woffin he quickly became a protege of James Mason,

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<v Speaker 2>the elderly pedophile who served as the ideological adviser for

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Woffin from its earliest days.

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<v Speaker 1>James Mason is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Author of Siege, the terrorist's handbook that was Adam Woffin's

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<v Speaker 2>most important text, but he's also been to jail several

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<v Speaker 2>times for possessing pornographic photographs of underage girls, sexual exploitation

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<v Speaker 2>of a miner, and threatening his underage girlfriend with a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>His fondness for blowing up the power grid is rivaled

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<v Speaker 2>only by his love of fifteen year old girls. He

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<v Speaker 2>still regularly receives Nazi admirers at his home in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>and when Adam Woaffin was at its height, making the

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<v Speaker 2>trip out to see Mason was a pretty big deal,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course every member of Adam Woffin had to

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<v Speaker 2>read Siege, that sprawling collection of essays advocating for various

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<v Speaker 2>ways and aspiring young terrorist might kick off.

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<v Speaker 1>The Race War.

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<v Speaker 2>Mason wrote Siege as a newsletter throughout the early to

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<v Speaker 2>mid eighties. The essays were collected and published in book

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<v Speaker 2>form in the early nineties, but it wasn't until twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years later that the book really exploded onto the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's a bad choice of words given the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of bombs built by guys who read it. But

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>what I mean is it didn't become as popular as

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<v Speaker 2>it is now until it was reborn as a PDF

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<v Speaker 2>on the pages of the Iron March Forum in the

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<v Speaker 2>early twenty tens, and that's where Adam Woffin was born.

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>In the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Since, Siege has been updated, revised, and republished several times

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>under the pseudonym Vincent Snyder. John Cameron Denton edited the

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>fourth edition of Siege, adding a new final chapter and

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>updating the artwork with the help of Canadian neo Nazi

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and graphic designer Patrick Gordon McDonald. Before McDonald was identified

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>by Vice News in twenty twenty one, he was known

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 2>only as Dark Foreigner. Like Denton, McDonald has deep connections

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to the Order of Nine Angles, and if you've ever

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 2>seen almost any propaganda from groups like Adam Waffen, the

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Order of Nine Angle, Sonnen Kreig Division, the Bass or

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 2>any of these other little offshoots in that milieu. You

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 2>have almost certainly seen Dark Foreigner's artwork. He was prolific.

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 2>He set the tone, he set the style. I can't

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>imagine he's still making the artwork for these kinds of groups,

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 2>but the style remains, and his style greatly influenced the

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 2>online culture around Saint worship, which we talked about in

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>the Teogram episode. A lot of the images circulating on

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 2>telegram in the early days of forming this culture around

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the canonization of mass murderers were images made by Patrick MacDonald.

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 2>McDonald was arrested in Canada last year for facilitating terrorist activity.

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.479
<v Speaker 2>And it was during this time period that Adam Woffen

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 2>was splintering, spinning off a variety of related groups like

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Sunnin Kreeg Division, feuer Krieg Division, the Northern Order for

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Harshoft Division, and of course Rapewaffen, and a lot of

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>these groups, like Adam Woffin at the time, are deeply

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>steeped in the beliefs of the Order of Nine Angles,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was within this rape Waffen telegram chat that

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<v Speaker 2>we finally find the subject of this story US Army

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>private Ethan Pheelin Melzer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was arrested three days.

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<v Speaker 2>After his twenty second birthday and a few days before

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>he planned to die alongside fort day other soldiers in

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>an attack he hoped al Qaida would carry out based

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>on classified military information he'd provided. He was hoping it

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 2>would start a war. There is always going to be

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<v Speaker 2>disagreement about whether a group is or isn't a splinter

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 2>faction or a sub sect of some ideological predecessor. In

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>some cases, there's a question of whether a group even

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<v Speaker 2>really existed at all, or if it was just a

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>chat room for a particular click within another organization, or

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<v Speaker 2>if it was just a meme. There are probably not

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.959
<v Speaker 2>more than a few dozen researchers out there who know

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 2>enough about this particular moment in time that, if they're

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>listening to this, are shaking their heads in dismay at

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>my characterization of some detail or another. But it's as

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 2>close as we're going to get short of a dissertation,

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>So good enough, because it's difficult now years later to

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 2>piece back together the scraps of archived materials from these

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>banned chat rooms to sort out what rape Waffen, ever,

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>really was the earliest remnants I can find of rape

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Waffen date back to the summer of twenty nineteen, but

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I really wouldn't be surprised if someone produced to me

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>evidence that it existed in private chats. For months prior

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to that, the group's telegram channels were banned at various points,

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>forcing them to reinvent themselves over and over again, sometimes

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>forming new channels every couple of weeks. The channel's administrator

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>was explicit in stating that rape Waffen was a splinter

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>from Adam Woffen, and in every online space where rape

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Waffen members were posting, their involvement in and support for

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the Order of Nine Angles was terribly explicit in every

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>sense of the word. And so as Adam Woffin is

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 2>falling apart over this debate, rape Waffen is taking a

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>boldly pro Satanism stance and they claim to have nexxions,

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>which is the on a term for a cell in

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the United States, Canada, Australia, Russia, Portugal and other unlisted countries.

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>In November of twenty nineteen, a channel that was just

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>called rape in all caps posted that rape Waffen was

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>once again open for recruiting. The same week that channel posted,

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>among other things, instructions for making meth, a message that

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>can't be viewed because it was found to violate the law,

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and the statement quote we need to bring this world

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>to total chaos. If we want to change something, we

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>will do this through mass rape of infidels. In the chat,

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>members shared videos of women being raped, as well as

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>more standard accelerationist fair you know, gore videos, footage of

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>atrocities committed in Wars, mass shooting, live streams, isis, beheading videos, the.

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Usual things like that.

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>And if I haven't mentioned it yet in some other episode,

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I would like to say, you don't need to try

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to find these things. I can't stop you. I'm not

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>telling you what to do.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not your.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Boss or your mom, but I'm telling you you don't

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>have to.

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>These chats.

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 2>In particular, you probably wouldn't be able to find. They're

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 2>gone for the most part. But in general, I know

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>that curiosity can be a very powerful thing. But unless

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>this is a particular area of research for you in

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>a professional or academic capacit, there's really nothing to gain

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>from trying to see it for yourself.

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I promise you.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Having the ability to quickly scroll past a GIF of

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>a woman being shot in the head and having the involuntary,

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>instant reaction of categorizing that as the final moments of

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a particular person's life from a particular video that I

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 2>wish i'd never seen, is not a skill I wanted.

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I have to close the chat and pull up

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a picture of what that woman looked like when she

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was alive, smiling, because she wasn't a GIF. She wasn't

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>just the moment of her death. She was a young

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>woman trying to make a life for herself. I'm not

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to gatekeep Nazi gore videos or whatever. I just

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 2>want you to know you don't need to see them

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.479
<v Speaker 2>if it helps it all. If this is something that

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 2>you need, you have my permission to not find out more.

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>There's no valor in making yourself sick. And these chat

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>rooms can be really disturbing places. So if hopefully you're

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 2>not familiar with the messaging app Telegram, there are both

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>chats and channels. That is, there are spaces on Telegram

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.399
<v Speaker 2>where only the channel owner can post, and you can

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 2>subscribe to see their posts, and there are also chat

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 2>rooms where every member can post messages and have conversations

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>with one another. I don't know if I could possibly

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 2>have explained that in a way that sounded more elderly.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I do know how to use the Internet, I promise,

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 2>and the channel administrator for most of these official rape

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Waffen channels with someone using the names Sinisterius or Sinistrous Rape.

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.439
<v Speaker 2>The member chat, however, was run by a user called

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Sinister Noctulian. Noctulian is a practitioner within this particular subset

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.879
<v Speaker 2>of being a Nazi wizard. In all my research, through

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 2>court documents and publicly available research and reporting, the only

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>two people ever concretely identified as having been members of

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>rape Waffen chats and channels on Telegram were Ethan Melzer

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.879
<v Speaker 2>and Shandon Simpson. So I can't tell you with any

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 2>certainty who Sinister Noctulian could be. It wasn't either of them.

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't Ethan or Shandon. But I can tell you,

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 2>without implying anything in particular, that it is interesting to

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>me that Sinister Noctulian never posted in the chat again

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 2>after January tenth, twenty twenty, which, in a strange coincidence,

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>is the same day that Adam Waffen member John Kirby

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Kelly was arrested by the FBI. Two days later, a

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>message from Sinister Noctulian was forwarded by another user into

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 2>the rape Waffen channel. Now the archive is so fragmented,

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, collecting these broken links and old screenshots from

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the internet's darkest corners, so it isn't one hundred percent

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 2>clear to me where the message was originally posted. It

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 2>may have been a private message that the recipient then

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 2>forwarded to a broader audience. But on January twelfth, twenty

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty two days after John Kirby Kelly was arrested, the

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>user called sinister Noctulian sent a message to someone on

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>telegram and it said in jail loll snuck my cell in.

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>And the message was accompanied by a one second long

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>video showing the inside of a jail cell and the

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 2>camera sort of pans shakily and quickly over the legs

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 2>of the person holding the cell phone. They're lying on

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the cot in the set well, and they appear to

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>be wearing the blue disposable scrubs that jails put on

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 2>prisoners when they transport them from one facility to another.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the idea is that the uniform belongs to

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the jail, and so if you go to a different jail,

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 2>the first jail doesn't want to lose that uniform. The

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 2>point is, we don't know who Sinister Noctulian is, but

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>if anyone is familiar with what the segregation cells inside

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the Alexandria City Jail look like. I did try to

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 2>find images online, but there aren't a lot of pictures

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of the insides of jail cells. But he was arrested

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>in Alexandria, and the jail in Northern Virginia that has

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the contract with the federal prison system to hold detainees

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>would probably be the Alexandria City Jail. So if you

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:50.879
<v Speaker 2>know what the inside of those cells look like, let

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 2>me know.

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>And in this constant cycle of death and rebirth of

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>these chats, a new telegram channel was formed in March

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty, and this time the channel administrator was

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a user called iron Cult. The channel announced the following month,

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>in April, that sinistress Rape would be taking an indefinite hiatus. Again,

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to say who sinistrous Rape might have been,

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 2>but I will just note in an unrelated fashion that

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>John Cameron Denton rape himself, was arrested in February of

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, along with Adam Woffin members Johnny Garza, Cameron Shay, Taylor,

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Parker de Pepe, and Caleb Cole, and the channel that

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 2>was formed after Denton's arrest didn't last long either. It

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.720
<v Speaker 2>was abandoned within weeks after Adam Woffen member Timothy Wilson

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 2>was killed in a shootout with the FBI while they

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 2>were trying to arrest him while he was trying to

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 2>blow up a hospital in Missouri. And Wilson had only

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 2>come under investigation because his name came up after the

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>arrest of Jarrett Smith, soldier stationed in Kansas, who was

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>arrested in twenty nineteen for distributing information to other Adam

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Waffen members about how to create weapons of mass destruction.

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Jarrett Smith, too was a member of Adam Woffin and

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 2>a Satanist. A new Rapewaffen channel was formed a few

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 2>days after Timothy Wilson's death. One of the first posts

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>was a recipe for a bomb. There's no clear evidence

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that was ever produced in any of these cases that

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 2>would let me tell you with certainty that any of

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 2>those adam Waffen members were also members of the rape

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Waffen channels. But a lot of Rapewaffen posters disappeared suddenly

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.799
<v Speaker 2>in the early months of twenty twenty, and the ones

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 2>remaining grew intensely paranoid about infiltration by informants and federal agents.

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 2>And you've probably guessed by now, since we're talking about it,

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>that paranoia did not protect them.

0:39:58.719 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 1>And so it was.

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 2>During this period of intense turnover within rape Waffen itself

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 2>that Ethan Melzer finds the group. Just four days after

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the channel administrator had announced that Sinistrous Rape was on hiatus,

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Melzer was exchanging private messages with the channel's new administrator. Now,

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>in the court documents, this user is only identified as

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the channel administrator or co conspirator Ie. They don't list

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the username, so I don't know if it was Ironed Cults. Again,

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to piece together a very fragmented record, so

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>they could be referring to a chat I don't see,

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>but he was chatting with a channel administrator and the

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>government never names this person, but they do indicate in

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>a footnote that based on their investigation, they believe that

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>this individual is a Canadian teenager posing as a former paratrooper.

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>And this is, believe it or not, not the only

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 2>time that a literal child in a foreign country has

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 2>tricked members of the United States military into becoming a

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Nazi terrorist. Like, they need to have some kind of training,

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 2>specifically about how to not get fooled into joining an

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>online terror cell run by a kid.

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess if you could keep.

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Them out of all terror cells, that really solves the

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 2>whole problem is probably a better goal. But oh my god,

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.399
<v Speaker 2>it is really embarrassing for the whole world to know

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>that our troops are this gullible. I mean, just like

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>national security wise, that doesn't seem great for us. So

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>in April twenty first, twenty twenty, Ethan Melzer is finally

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 2>chatting with someone from rape Waffen and he's chatting with

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 2>this teenager that he thinks is an adult veteran, and

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>he asks if he can join rape Waffen. They don't

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 2>mention this in the court, but April twenty first is

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 2>the day after Hitler's birthday, which would have made this

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the first day of the new year for adherence to

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.720
<v Speaker 2>the Order of Nine Angles.

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>See, they have.

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Their own calendar that starts on April twenty, eighteen eighty nine,

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the day Hitler was born. So eighteen ninety is year one,

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and it makes twenty twenty four the year one thirty five,

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and they write it YF one three five.

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 1>The YF used to stand for.

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Year of the Furor, which makes perfect sense if we're

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about, you know, years since Hitler was born, but

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 2>sometimes in the early two thousands on a tech start

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 2>referring to it as year of Faean, which makes no sense.

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>One academic article I found claimed that no one actually

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 2>knows where that originated or what it derives from, but

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>within Ona the claim is that it means year of rejoicing.

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess we've been rejoicing ever since Hitler was born,

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like it's still a Hitler thing. And in the spirit

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of honesty, I do have a confession to make. For years,

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I have assumed that the Order of Nine Angles invented

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 2>this Hitler based dating system, right Like, surely no one

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:27.280
<v Speaker 2>else is corny enough to invent a whole new Hitler

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 2>based calendar, So imagine my surprise, and quite frankly embarrassment

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>when I stumbled across a few months ago an old

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>letter written by Mattias Cole to William Luther Pearce in

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six. So it's on the original American Nazi

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Party letterhead with their po box in Alexandria, and it

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 2>stated twenty two January y f seventy seven. So the

0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Wizards didn't invent the Hitler calendar. I guess Lincoln Rockwell did.

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 2>But I'm sorry I've gotten lost again. Sometimes I just

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 2>feel like all roads are taking me back to William

0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Luther Peers.

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just inescapable.

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 2>So this Canadian child right tells Ethan Melzer that initiation

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 2>into the Order of Nine Angles is a prerequisite for

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:22.320
<v Speaker 2>membership in rape Waffen, Like, we can't even continue talking

0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 2>about you getting into rape Waffen until you become a wizard,

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and Melzer assures him, oh, I've already done that. I've

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>already self initiated. No worries, And with that out of

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the way, the teenager begins vetting the soldier for rape

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Waffen membership.

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Are you ready to cause damage both mentally, physically and magically,

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<v Speaker 3>and be serious? I already have so yes, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you incorporate the sinister numanous way in your life? Always

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<v Speaker 3>working on some form of insight role, work in the

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<v Speaker 3>pathways when I have time building up to internal a debt.

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<v Speaker 2>Internal adept here refers to the fourth of the seven

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<v Speaker 2>levels through which a member of the Order of Nine

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<v Speaker 2>Angles can progress. So you start as a neophyte, then

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<v Speaker 2>you're an initiate, an external adept, internal adept, Master, grand Master,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually immortal. I don't know that anyone has ever

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<v Speaker 2>achieved immortal. Adherents have said that very few members actually

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<v Speaker 2>progress to those upper levels, and so if Melzer was

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<v Speaker 2>working up to internal adept in April of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>that means he was at the time an external adept.

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<v Speaker 2>To become an external adept, you have to engage in

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<v Speaker 2>a ritual where you lie down on the ground all

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<v Speaker 2>night without moving or falling asleep. And to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably a lot harder than it sounds, but it

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<v Speaker 2>still sounds like child's play compared to the requirement to

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<v Speaker 2>advance again, because to become an internal adept, a practitioner

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<v Speaker 2>must withdraw from society completely for several months, living alone

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<v Speaker 2>in the wild with no contact with society or no

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<v Speaker 2>modern conveniences, and before you even attempt the necessary ritual

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<v Speaker 2>to advance to internal adept, an external adept should practice culling.

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<v Speaker 2>That is human sacrifice. Now, I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>entirely sensationalistic about this, right when we're talking about esoteric

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<v Speaker 2>occult texts, when you're talking about magic, not everything is literal.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of practitioners will say that, well, culling is symbolic.

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<v Speaker 2>This human sacrifice can be metaphorical some ritualized performance during

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<v Speaker 2>a ceremony. But I've read more on than I would

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<v Speaker 2>have preferred, and generally it seems like they mean it.

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<v Speaker 2>Members should kill. In an essay called culling as art

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<v Speaker 2>Anton Long, the Ona grand Master most researchers believe is

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<v Speaker 2>actually just David Myyatt wrote, some humans by nature, by character,

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<v Speaker 2>are rotten, worthless, and when this rotten character is revealed

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<v Speaker 2>by their deeds, it is beneficial to remove them, to

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<v Speaker 2>cull them. It doesn't sound like that's a metaphor, and

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<v Speaker 2>Long or David Mayatt has written multiple treatises on culling,

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<v Speaker 2>advising that culling should target quote the sworn enemy, any

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<v Speaker 2>of whom are deemed acceptable targets. That doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 2>a metaphor, and that's what was on Ethan Mel's mind

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<v Speaker 2>that day. As an external adept, he was actively working

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<v Speaker 2>towards a plan that would result in a mass casualty

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<v Speaker 2>incident in the short term, and if he was lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>thousands more deaths in the war he hoped would follow.

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<v Speaker 2>The question of whether or not Ethan Melzer had ever

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<v Speaker 2>tried to kill someone before is murky. A few days

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<v Speaker 2>before his arrest, the rape Waffen Channel administrator messaged him

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<v Speaker 2>and said, and I quote, yo, can you give me

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<v Speaker 2>some background, like some sinister deeds you've done?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't break man.

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<v Speaker 2>As a Melzer claimed that as a teenager, he'd been

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<v Speaker 2>working in the Louisville, Kentucky area as a street level

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<v Speaker 2>drug dealer for a gang called the Bounty Hunter Bloods.

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<v Speaker 2>In January of twenty seventeen, he arranged to meet with

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<v Speaker 2>someone to purchase the marijuana, and instead of paying for

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<v Speaker 2>the drugs, he ran and when the seller gave chase,

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<v Speaker 2>the men struggled and Melser shot him. Now, Melzer was

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<v Speaker 2>never arrested for drug dealing, let alone shooting a man,

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<v Speaker 2>so you might think he was making that up to

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<v Speaker 2>impress the other wizards. Maybe if you're from Louisville, you're saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>of course I know the bounty hunter bloods, But to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, I didn't know they had bloods in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds fully made up to me. Investigative journalist Ali

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<v Speaker 2>Winston wrote on a piece for Rolling Stone that a

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<v Speaker 2>record's request to the Louisville Metropolitan Police produced no responsive

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:45.400
<v Speaker 2>record of an incident matching the details provided here. But

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting is laid out in some pretty clear detail

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<v Speaker 2>in the prosecution sentencing memorandum, and the defense doesn't dispute it.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they referred to it as well as something

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<v Speaker 2>that happened, and if the case had gone to trial,

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<v Speaker 2>the government was prepared to put on witnesses, including someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was prepared to testify that not only had Melzer

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<v Speaker 2>told him about the shooting immediately after it happened, he

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<v Speaker 2>actually knew the victim and was aware that the man's

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<v Speaker 2>humorous had been shattered by the bullet and he had

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<v Speaker 2>permanently lost the use of that arm. And a witness

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<v Speaker 2>who had been Melser's roommate at the time planned to

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<v Speaker 2>testify that he was aware of Melzer's drug dealing activities

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<v Speaker 2>during that time period, and he'd seen photographs of the

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<v Speaker 2>bullet wound. So I guess he really did shoot a

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<v Speaker 2>guy in twenty seventeen. But we are not talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan Melzer because he was a drug dealer who shot

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<v Speaker 2>another drug dealer in a drug deal in Louisville in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen. We're talking about Ethan Melzer because in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty he was charged with conspiracy to murder US nationals,

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<v Speaker 2>attempted murder of US nationals, conspiracy to murder US service members,

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<v Speaker 2>attempted murder of US service members, provision of material support

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<v Speaker 2>to terrorists, conspiracy to murder and maame in a foreign country,

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy to injure property of a foreign government, and illegal

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<v Speaker 2>transmission of national defense information. So if you listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the episode a couple of weeks ago when we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how it's relatively uncommon for someone to be

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<v Speaker 2>charged for lying on their enlistment paperwork about being involved

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<v Speaker 2>with an extremist group, well, Ethan Melzer is someone I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about specifically when I said usually, by the

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<v Speaker 2>time it's obviously lied about this, the situation has gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a little more serious than lying on a form, so

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like they could have hit him with that charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, But at this point, why bother.

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<v Speaker 2>And now that we are more than halfway through this story,

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<v Speaker 2>Now that you have a little context for where our

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<v Speaker 2>weird little guy ended up, which is federal prison. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that you know something about a silly sounding but frightening

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Nazi Satanic cult and the messy situation within Adam Woffin

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<v Speaker 2>in the years between Brandon Russell's first trip to Federal

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<v Speaker 2>prison and his second trip to Federal prison and the

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<v Speaker 2>eventual collapse of Adam Woffin. Now I can start from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of Ethan Melzer's story, But unfortunately, because I

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.879
<v Speaker 2>started so far from the beginning, I'll have to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the end next week. I know this feels like

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a bait and switch. I told

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<v Speaker 2>you this was going to be about Ethan Melzer trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get al Qaida to kill a bunch of soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>in service of his advancement in a neo Nazi Satanic.

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<v Speaker 1>Cult, and we didn't even get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But words like Nazi and Satanic cult are such loaded

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<v Speaker 2>terms and ones that have been abused and exploited to

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<v Speaker 2>trigger a specific kind of fear response in you. So

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like I owed it to you to give

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<v Speaker 2>you this sort of convoluted history that led to him

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<v Speaker 2>being in that chat room, and to show you why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm using those words and why they are absolutely appropriate here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope you'll come back next week to see

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<v Speaker 2>how it all ended. We'd Little Guys is a production

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<v Speaker 2>eternally patient and wildly talented Rory Gagan. The theme music

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