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Speaker 1: Coozone Media.

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Speaker 2: On May twenty sixth, twenty twenty, a U. S. Army

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Speaker 2: private stationed in Italy celebrated his twenty second birthday. He

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Speaker 2: confirming his identity as the Nazi Satanist who was trying

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Speaker 1: Half a world away.

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Speaker 2: That very same day, Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin knelt

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Speaker 2: on an unarmed man's neck for nine minutes. In twenty

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Speaker 2: nine seconds, the man cried out, saying.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't breathe.

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Speaker 2: He begged the officer not to kill him. He cried

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Speaker 2: out for his mother, and then he fell silent. The

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Speaker 2: murder of George Floyd was caught on camera by a

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Speaker 2: bystander in Protests against this act of police brutality started

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Speaker 2: within hours in the Minneapolis area. The video spread rapidly,

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Speaker 2: and so did the protests. In the months that followed,

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Speaker 2: protest marches, rallies, and memorials were held in thousands of cities,

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Speaker 2: around the world. Millions of Americans took to the streets

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Speaker 2: and public squares to protest police brutality, and in countless cities,

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Speaker 2: the police responded by demonstrating the very brutality that people

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Speaker 2: were protesting. Three days after the murder, then President Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump tweeted, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. By Monday,

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Speaker 2: June first, less than a week after George Floyd's murder,

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Speaker 2: the president was publicly threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act,

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Speaker 2: which would allow him to use the military to put

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Speaker 2: down civil disorder. Governors in more than thirty states activated

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Speaker 2: the National Guard to assist state and local police in

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Speaker 2: responding to the protests. Governors in twelve states deployed National

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Speaker 2: Guard troops to Washington, d C. At the request of

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon. On June second, a hundred members of the

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Speaker 2: Ohio National Guard received orders that they'd be heading to

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Speaker 2: the nation's capital that afternoon. The administrator of a small

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Speaker 2: telegram channel for fans of a fascist YouTuber posted, they

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Speaker 2: activated my unit and were getting real ammunition to shoot

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Speaker 1: He ended the message by.

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Speaker 2: Saying rahoa a portmanteau of the phrase racial holy war,

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Speaker 2: a Nazi rallying cry. He told his followers that they

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Speaker 2: do anything stupid, others egged him on, telling him he

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Speaker 2: that full scale civil conflict could be incited by shooting

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Speaker 2: into the crowd of protesters in Washington, d C. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the race war really was about to begin. Whether he

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Speaker 1: We'll never know.

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Speaker 2: If we're to take him at his word, always a

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Speaker 2: shaky proposition. He was deployed with his National Guard unit

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Speaker 3: Want to take a moment to address a situation regarding

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Speaker 3: a member of the Ohio National Guard who was removed

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Speaker 3: uncovered information that this guardsman expressed white supremacist ideology on

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Speaker 3: the Internet prior to the assignment.

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Speaker 2: He didn't name the guardsman in question, and no explanation

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Speaker 2: Jared Holt at right Wing Watch uncovered the small telegram

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Speaker 2: channel where those comments had been made a few days later,

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Speaker 2: and journalists at the nonprofit media collective Unicorn Riot quickly

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Speaker 2: identified the man in question as Shandon Simpson, a former

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Speaker 2: member of the now defunct neo Nazi organization Vanguard America,

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Speaker 2: hate crime murder. But that still didn't explain why the

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Speaker 2: investigation into this guardsman, especially considering no charges had been filed.

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Speaker 2: Simpson claims he was held in solitary confinement for a week,

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Speaker 2: later that the pieces fell into place. They hadn't been

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Speaker 1: While they were investigating.

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Speaker 2: Someone else's plot to murder an entire platoon of United

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Speaker 2: States Army paratroopers five thousand miles away. I'm Molly Conger

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Speaker 2: in this is weird, Little Guys. This episode is coming

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Speaker 2: out on Halloween. That didn't occur to me until halfway

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Speaker 2: through the week. I don't have a great sense of

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Speaker 2: even under the best of circumstances. But when I realized that,

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Speaker 2: come up with something halloweeny. I think that's something people

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Speaker 2: do right. I should have seasonal themed episodes. But what

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Speaker 2: does it mean to do a Halloween episode of a

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Speaker 2: show where every episode is about a monster? How can

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Speaker 2: you go spookier than we already are getting every week?

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Speaker 4: But then I.

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Speaker 2: Realized what's scarier and Satan himself. This story has all

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Speaker 2: it's got white supremacist troops. It's got hate groups splintering

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Speaker 2: off into new hate groups because of our cane interna scene,

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Speaker 2: ideological squabbles and power struggles and personal beefs. It's got

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Speaker 2: peerful letters from friends and family insisting that the young

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Speaker 2: But this episode is a little different because the evil

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Speaker 2: They want you to think they're evil. They're devil worshiping,

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Speaker 2: neo Nazis, hell bent on ending life as we know it.

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Speaker 2: This episode is not about Shandon Simpson. Don't worry, Shandon.

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Speaker 2: Today is not your day. When I met Shandon last year,

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Speaker 2: while I was covering a pro Russia rally masquerading as

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Speaker 2: ever having been a member of Adam Waffen or any

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Speaker 2: related groups. Now, personally, I don't think he was telling

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Speaker 2: me the truth, but it's not exactly easy to prove

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Speaker 2: someone was a member of a secret of organization, and

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Speaker 2: he's never been charged with anything, So I guess we'll

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Speaker 2: just have to agree to disagree, but it can be

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Speaker 2: said without dispute that Shandon Simpson was a member of

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Speaker 2: a telegram channel for a group called rape Waffen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: rape Waffen. I'm so sorry because that's what we're talking

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Speaker 2: about today. And just a quick note at the top,

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Speaker 2: this show doesn't have content warnings because it's always about

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Speaker 1: But the particular.

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Speaker 2: Subsect of Nazi Satanists we're talking about today are really

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Speaker 2: really obsessed with sexual violence. I'm going to use the

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Speaker 2: commit some sexual assaults, and we're found to possess child

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Speaker 2: sexual abuse material, but we won't dwell on it in

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Speaker 2: you just aren't in the mood to hear me say

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Speaker 2: the word rape thirty or forty times. The fact that

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Speaker 2: channel is again undisputed. He said it himself.

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Speaker 1: For what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: Simpson has claimed that he was only a member of

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Speaker 2: the chat because he was documenting the malevolent influence of

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Speaker 2: Satanism on the fascist movement, which sounds incredibly stupid, but honestly,

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Speaker 2: that might be the truth. And I'm not just saying

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Speaker 2: kind of see that that might be true, but that's

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Speaker 3: The group.

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Speaker 2: Do without what you will, and this allegation got new

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Speaker 2: life a few months ago when he was making a

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Speaker 2: Videos of him antagonizing people outside the venue got some

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Speaker 2: seen before, and that two year old Washington Post article

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Speaker 1: So stupid games, stupid brizes, etc.

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Speaker 2: Take it up with Jeff Bezos, I guess, and in

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Speaker 2: his defense, to the degree I'm interested in such a thing,

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Speaker 2: He did co author a document in twenty eighteen, two

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Speaker 2: outlining the ways in which they felt the movement was

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Speaker 2: being damaged by influential Adam Woffen member John Cameron Denton's

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Speaker 2: embrace of Satanism. So maybe he was just in there

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Speaker 2: collecting evidence. Who can really say. It's not like it

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Speaker 2: really clears his name to say, you know, hey, I

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Speaker 2: didn't have a huge issue with the Nazi stuff or

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Speaker 2: the murders, but this blood magic devil thing is taking

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: I said, this episode is not about Shandon Simpson, and

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Speaker 2: it's not don't worry. But this ideological split within the

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Speaker 2: Nazi terrorism enthusiast community over whether or not Satanism was

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Speaker 2: cool is an important bit of context for where we're.

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Speaker 4: Going, I promise.

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Speaker 2: Rapewaffen was one of the groups to crop up during

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Speaker 2: this period of conflict within Adam Woffen about the growing

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Speaker 2: influence within the group of the Order of Nine Angles,

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Speaker 2: a militant Satanist occult organization that insists it isn't a

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Speaker 2: Nazi group. It is hard to describe the Order of

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Speaker 2: Nine Angles ONA for short, in a way that makes

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Speaker 2: any sense, and that's intentional, I mean, quite literally, beyond

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Speaker 2: the usual sort of esoteric nature of occult groups. Writings

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Speaker 2: attributed to ONA invented a concept called Labyrinthos mythologicus. The

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Speaker 2: idea is that the writings are intentionally contradictory, bordering on

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Speaker 2: incomprehensible on purpose, and their true meaning is only legible

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Speaker 2: you don't get it, that's because you aren't meant to.

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Speaker 2: Because of ona's decentralized, leaderless structure, all members are self

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Speaker 2: initiated to join the Order of Nine Angles, you have

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Speaker 2: to figure it out on your own. The texts are available,

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Speaker 2: but the true process, apparently is only revealed to you

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Speaker 2: in the course of performing the ritual of self initiation.

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Speaker 2: Part of the self initiation ritual involves walking into a

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Speaker 2: river and imagining the moon's energy flowing into you, which

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Speaker 2: sounds like a fine way to spend an evening. But

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Speaker 2: it's not all moonlight skinny dipping. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: carving swastikas into your own arm with the razor blade

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Speaker 2: and then smearing your blood all over a magical race

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Speaker 2: war manifesto. I know, I know, these are Nazi wizards

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Speaker 2: and they're doing blood magic to conjure demons to end

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Speaker 2: the world. This is worse than the fact that the

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Speaker 2: clan calls their chapters claverns, and the secretary of a

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Speaker 2: clavern is called a cli wrap. It's so frustrating that

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Speaker 2: these scary murderers all sound like fucking dorks for all

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Speaker 2: only as Dark Foreigner. Like Denton, McDonald has deep connections

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Speaker 2: And it was during this time period that Adam Woffen

433
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: was splintering, spinning off a variety of related groups like

434
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: Sunnin Kreeg Division, feuer Krieg Division, the Northern Order for

435
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: Harshoft Division, and of course Rapewaffen, and a lot of

436
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: these groups, like Adam Woffin at the time, are deeply

437
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: steeped in the beliefs of the Order of Nine Angles,

438
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: and it was within this rape Waffen telegram chat that

439
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: we finally find the subject of this story US Army

440
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: private Ethan Pheelin Melzer.

441
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: He was arrested three days.

442
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 2: After his twenty second birthday and a few days before

443
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: he planned to die alongside fort day other soldiers in

444
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: an attack he hoped al Qaida would carry out based

445
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: on classified military information he'd provided. He was hoping it

446
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: would start a war. There is always going to be

447
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: disagreement about whether a group is or isn't a splinter

448
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: faction or a sub sect of some ideological predecessor. In

449
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: some cases, there's a question of whether a group even

450
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: really existed at all, or if it was just a

451
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: chat room for a particular click within another organization, or

452
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: if it was just a meme. There are probably not

453
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 2: more than a few dozen researchers out there who know

454
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: enough about this particular moment in time that, if they're

455
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: listening to this, are shaking their heads in dismay at

456
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: my characterization of some detail or another. But it's as

457
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: close as we're going to get short of a dissertation,

458
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: So good enough, because it's difficult now years later to

459
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: piece back together the scraps of archived materials from these

460
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: banned chat rooms to sort out what rape Waffen, ever,

461
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: really was the earliest remnants I can find of rape

462
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: Waffen date back to the summer of twenty nineteen, but

463
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: I really wouldn't be surprised if someone produced to me

464
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: evidence that it existed in private chats. For months prior

465
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: to that, the group's telegram channels were banned at various points,

466
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: forcing them to reinvent themselves over and over again, sometimes

467
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: forming new channels every couple of weeks. The channel's administrator

468
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: was explicit in stating that rape Waffen was a splinter

469
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: from Adam Woffen, and in every online space where rape

470
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Waffen members were posting, their involvement in and support for

471
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: the Order of Nine Angles was terribly explicit in every

472
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: sense of the word. And so as Adam Woffin is

473
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: falling apart over this debate, rape Waffen is taking a

474
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: boldly pro Satanism stance and they claim to have nexxions,

475
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: which is the on a term for a cell in

476
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: the United States, Canada, Australia, Russia, Portugal and other unlisted countries.

477
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: In November of twenty nineteen, a channel that was just

478
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: called rape in all caps posted that rape Waffen was

479
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: once again open for recruiting. The same week that channel posted,

480
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: among other things, instructions for making meth, a message that

481
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: can't be viewed because it was found to violate the law,

482
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: and the statement quote we need to bring this world

483
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: to total chaos. If we want to change something, we

484
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: will do this through mass rape of infidels. In the chat,

485
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: members shared videos of women being raped, as well as

486
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: more standard accelerationist fair you know, gore videos, footage of

487
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: atrocities committed in Wars, mass shooting, live streams, isis, beheading videos, the.

488
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Usual things like that.

489
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: And if I haven't mentioned it yet in some other episode,

490
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: I would like to say, you don't need to try

491
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: to find these things. I can't stop you. I'm not

492
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: telling you what to do.

493
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm not your.

494
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: Boss or your mom, but I'm telling you you don't

495
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: have to.

496
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: These chats.

497
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: In particular, you probably wouldn't be able to find. They're

498
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: gone for the most part. But in general, I know

499
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: that curiosity can be a very powerful thing. But unless

500
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: this is a particular area of research for you in

501
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: a professional or academic capacit, there's really nothing to gain

502
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: from trying to see it for yourself.

503
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I promise you.

504
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Having the ability to quickly scroll past a GIF of

505
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: a woman being shot in the head and having the involuntary,

506
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: instant reaction of categorizing that as the final moments of

507
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: a particular person's life from a particular video that I

508
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: wish i'd never seen, is not a skill I wanted.

509
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have to close the chat and pull up

510
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: a picture of what that woman looked like when she

511
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: was alive, smiling, because she wasn't a GIF. She wasn't

512
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: just the moment of her death. She was a young

513
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: woman trying to make a life for herself. I'm not

514
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: trying to gatekeep Nazi gore videos or whatever. I just

515
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: want you to know you don't need to see them

516
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: if it helps it all. If this is something that

517
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: you need, you have my permission to not find out more.

518
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: There's no valor in making yourself sick. And these chat

519
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: rooms can be really disturbing places. So if hopefully you're

520
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: not familiar with the messaging app Telegram, there are both

521
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: chats and channels. That is, there are spaces on Telegram

522
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: where only the channel owner can post, and you can

523
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: subscribe to see their posts, and there are also chat

524
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: rooms where every member can post messages and have conversations

525
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: with one another. I don't know if I could possibly

526
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: have explained that in a way that sounded more elderly.

527
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: I do know how to use the Internet, I promise,

528
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: and the channel administrator for most of these official rape

529
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: Waffen channels with someone using the names Sinisterius or Sinistrous Rape.

530
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 2: The member chat, however, was run by a user called

531
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: Sinister Noctulian. Noctulian is a practitioner within this particular subset

532
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: of being a Nazi wizard. In all my research, through

533
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: court documents and publicly available research and reporting, the only

534
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: two people ever concretely identified as having been members of

535
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: rape Waffen chats and channels on Telegram were Ethan Melzer

536
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: and Shandon Simpson. So I can't tell you with any

537
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 2: certainty who Sinister Noctulian could be. It wasn't either of them.

538
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: It wasn't Ethan or Shandon. But I can tell you,

539
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: without implying anything in particular, that it is interesting to

540
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: me that Sinister Noctulian never posted in the chat again

541
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: after January tenth, twenty twenty, which, in a strange coincidence,

542
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: is the same day that Adam Waffen member John Kirby

543
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: Kelly was arrested by the FBI. Two days later, a

544
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: message from Sinister Noctulian was forwarded by another user into

545
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: the rape Waffen channel. Now the archive is so fragmented,

546
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: you know, collecting these broken links and old screenshots from

547
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: the internet's darkest corners, so it isn't one hundred percent

548
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: clear to me where the message was originally posted. It

549
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: may have been a private message that the recipient then

550
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: forwarded to a broader audience. But on January twelfth, twenty

551
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: twenty two days after John Kirby Kelly was arrested, the

552
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: user called sinister Noctulian sent a message to someone on

553
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: telegram and it said in jail loll snuck my cell in.

554
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: And the message was accompanied by a one second long

555
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: video showing the inside of a jail cell and the

556
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: camera sort of pans shakily and quickly over the legs

557
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: of the person holding the cell phone. They're lying on

558
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: the cot in the set well, and they appear to

559
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: be wearing the blue disposable scrubs that jails put on

560
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: prisoners when they transport them from one facility to another.

561
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: I think the idea is that the uniform belongs to

562
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: the jail, and so if you go to a different jail,

563
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: the first jail doesn't want to lose that uniform. The

564
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: point is, we don't know who Sinister Noctulian is, but

565
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: if anyone is familiar with what the segregation cells inside

566
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: the Alexandria City Jail look like. I did try to

567
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: find images online, but there aren't a lot of pictures

568
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: of the insides of jail cells. But he was arrested

569
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: in Alexandria, and the jail in Northern Virginia that has

570
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: the contract with the federal prison system to hold detainees

571
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: would probably be the Alexandria City Jail. So if you

572
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: know what the inside of those cells look like, let

573
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: me know.

574
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm just curious.

575
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: And in this constant cycle of death and rebirth of

576
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: these chats, a new telegram channel was formed in March

577
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, and this time the channel administrator was

578
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: a user called iron Cult. The channel announced the following month,

579
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: in April, that sinistress Rape would be taking an indefinite hiatus. Again,

580
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: it's hard to say who sinistrous Rape might have been,

581
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: but I will just note in an unrelated fashion that

582
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: John Cameron Denton rape himself, was arrested in February of

583
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, along with Adam Woffin members Johnny Garza, Cameron Shay, Taylor,

584
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: Parker de Pepe, and Caleb Cole, and the channel that

585
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: was formed after Denton's arrest didn't last long either. It

586
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: was abandoned within weeks after Adam Woffen member Timothy Wilson

587
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: was killed in a shootout with the FBI while they

588
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: were trying to arrest him while he was trying to

589
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: blow up a hospital in Missouri. And Wilson had only

590
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: come under investigation because his name came up after the

591
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: arrest of Jarrett Smith, soldier stationed in Kansas, who was

592
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: arrested in twenty nineteen for distributing information to other Adam

593
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: Waffen members about how to create weapons of mass destruction.

594
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: Jarrett Smith, too was a member of Adam Woffin and

595
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: a Satanist. A new Rapewaffen channel was formed a few

596
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: days after Timothy Wilson's death. One of the first posts

597
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: was a recipe for a bomb. There's no clear evidence

598
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: that was ever produced in any of these cases that

599
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: would let me tell you with certainty that any of

600
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: those adam Waffen members were also members of the rape

601
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: Waffen channels. But a lot of Rapewaffen posters disappeared suddenly

602
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: in the early months of twenty twenty, and the ones

603
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: remaining grew intensely paranoid about infiltration by informants and federal agents.

604
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: And you've probably guessed by now, since we're talking about it,

605
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: that paranoia did not protect them.

606
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: And so it was.

607
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: During this period of intense turnover within rape Waffen itself

608
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: that Ethan Melzer finds the group. Just four days after

609
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: the channel administrator had announced that Sinistrous Rape was on hiatus,

610
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: Melzer was exchanging private messages with the channel's new administrator. Now,

611
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: in the court documents, this user is only identified as

612
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: the channel administrator or co conspirator Ie. They don't list

613
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: the username, so I don't know if it was Ironed Cults. Again,

614
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to piece together a very fragmented record, so

615
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: they could be referring to a chat I don't see,

616
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: but he was chatting with a channel administrator and the

617
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: government never names this person, but they do indicate in

618
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: a footnote that based on their investigation, they believe that

619
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: this individual is a Canadian teenager posing as a former paratrooper.

620
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: And this is, believe it or not, not the only

621
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: time that a literal child in a foreign country has

622
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: tricked members of the United States military into becoming a

623
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: Nazi terrorist. Like, they need to have some kind of training,

624
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: specifically about how to not get fooled into joining an

625
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: online terror cell run by a kid.

626
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you could keep.

627
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: Them out of all terror cells, that really solves the

628
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: whole problem is probably a better goal. But oh my god,

629
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: it is really embarrassing for the whole world to know

630
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: that our troops are this gullible. I mean, just like

631
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: national security wise, that doesn't seem great for us. So

632
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: in April twenty first, twenty twenty, Ethan Melzer is finally

633
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: chatting with someone from rape Waffen and he's chatting with

634
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: this teenager that he thinks is an adult veteran, and

635
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: he asks if he can join rape Waffen. They don't

636
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: mention this in the court, but April twenty first is

637
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: the day after Hitler's birthday, which would have made this

638
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: the first day of the new year for adherence to

639
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: the Order of Nine Angles.

640
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: See, they have.

641
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: Their own calendar that starts on April twenty, eighteen eighty nine,

642
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: the day Hitler was born. So eighteen ninety is year one,

643
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: and it makes twenty twenty four the year one thirty five,

644
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: and they write it YF one three five.

645
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: The YF used to stand for.

646
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: Year of the Furor, which makes perfect sense if we're

647
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Speaker 2: talking about, you know, years since Hitler was born, but

648
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Speaker 2: sometimes in the early two thousands on a tech start

649
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: referring to it as year of Faean, which makes no sense.

650
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Speaker 2: One academic article I found claimed that no one actually

651
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Speaker 2: knows where that originated or what it derives from, but

652
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: within Ona the claim is that it means year of rejoicing.

653
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: I guess we've been rejoicing ever since Hitler was born,

654
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: like it's still a Hitler thing. And in the spirit

655
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: of honesty, I do have a confession to make. For years,

656
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Speaker 2: I have assumed that the Order of Nine Angles invented

657
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: this Hitler based dating system, right Like, surely no one

658
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Speaker 2: else is corny enough to invent a whole new Hitler

659
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Speaker 2: based calendar, So imagine my surprise, and quite frankly embarrassment

660
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Speaker 2: when I stumbled across a few months ago an old

661
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Speaker 2: letter written by Mattias Cole to William Luther Pearce in

662
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six. So it's on the original American Nazi

663
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: Party letterhead with their po box in Alexandria, and it

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Speaker 2: stated twenty two January y f seventy seven. So the

665
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Speaker 2: Wizards didn't invent the Hitler calendar. I guess Lincoln Rockwell did.

666
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Speaker 2: But I'm sorry I've gotten lost again. Sometimes I just

667
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: feel like all roads are taking me back to William

668
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Speaker 2: Luther Peers.

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Speaker 1: It's just inescapable.

670
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: So this Canadian child right tells Ethan Melzer that initiation

671
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: into the Order of Nine Angles is a prerequisite for

672
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Speaker 2: membership in rape Waffen, Like, we can't even continue talking

673
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Speaker 2: about you getting into rape Waffen until you become a wizard,

674
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: and Melzer assures him, oh, I've already done that. I've

675
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: already self initiated. No worries, And with that out of

676
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: the way, the teenager begins vetting the soldier for rape

677
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Speaker 2: Waffen membership.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready to cause damage both mentally, physically and magically,

679
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: and be serious? I already have so yes, how do

680
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: you incorporate the sinister numanous way in your life? Always

681
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: working on some form of insight role, work in the

682
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Speaker 3: pathways when I have time building up to internal a debt.

683
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Speaker 2: Internal adept here refers to the fourth of the seven

684
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Speaker 2: levels through which a member of the Order of Nine

685
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Speaker 2: Angles can progress. So you start as a neophyte, then

686
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: you're an initiate, an external adept, internal adept, Master, grand Master,

687
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Speaker 2: and eventually immortal. I don't know that anyone has ever

688
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: achieved immortal. Adherents have said that very few members actually

689
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Speaker 2: progress to those upper levels, and so if Melzer was

690
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: working up to internal adept in April of twenty twenty,

691
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: that means he was at the time an external adept.

692
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Speaker 2: To become an external adept, you have to engage in

693
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Speaker 2: a ritual where you lie down on the ground all

694
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Speaker 2: night without moving or falling asleep. And to be fair,

695
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: that's probably a lot harder than it sounds, but it

696
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: still sounds like child's play compared to the requirement to

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Speaker 2: advance again, because to become an internal adept, a practitioner

698
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: must withdraw from society completely for several months, living alone

699
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: in the wild with no contact with society or no

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00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: modern conveniences, and before you even attempt the necessary ritual

701
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: to advance to internal adept, an external adept should practice culling.

702
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: That is human sacrifice. Now, I don't want to be

703
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Speaker 2: entirely sensationalistic about this, right when we're talking about esoteric

704
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: occult texts, when you're talking about magic, not everything is literal.

705
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: A lot of practitioners will say that, well, culling is symbolic.

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00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: This human sacrifice can be metaphorical some ritualized performance during

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Speaker 2: a ceremony. But I've read more on than I would

708
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: have preferred, and generally it seems like they mean it.

709
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: Members should kill. In an essay called culling as art

710
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Speaker 2: Anton Long, the Ona grand Master most researchers believe is

711
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: actually just David Myyatt wrote, some humans by nature, by character,

712
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: are rotten, worthless, and when this rotten character is revealed

713
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: by their deeds, it is beneficial to remove them, to

714
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: cull them. It doesn't sound like that's a metaphor, and

715
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Speaker 2: Long or David Mayatt has written multiple treatises on culling,

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Speaker 2: advising that culling should target quote the sworn enemy, any

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00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: of whom are deemed acceptable targets. That doesn't sound like

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Speaker 2: a metaphor, and that's what was on Ethan Mel's mind

719
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: that day. As an external adept, he was actively working

720
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: towards a plan that would result in a mass casualty

721
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: incident in the short term, and if he was lucky,

722
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Speaker 2: thousands more deaths in the war he hoped would follow.

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Speaker 2: The question of whether or not Ethan Melzer had ever

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00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: tried to kill someone before is murky. A few days

725
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: before his arrest, the rape Waffen Channel administrator messaged him

726
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: and said, and I quote, yo, can you give me

727
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: some background, like some sinister deeds you've done?

728
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: I can't break man.

729
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Speaker 2: As a Melzer claimed that as a teenager, he'd been

730
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Speaker 2: working in the Louisville, Kentucky area as a street level

731
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Speaker 2: drug dealer for a gang called the Bounty Hunter Bloods.

732
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Speaker 2: In January of twenty seventeen, he arranged to meet with

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Speaker 2: someone to purchase the marijuana, and instead of paying for

734
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Speaker 2: the drugs, he ran and when the seller gave chase,

735
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: the men struggled and Melser shot him. Now, Melzer was

736
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Speaker 2: never arrested for drug dealing, let alone shooting a man,

737
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Speaker 2: so you might think he was making that up to

738
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Speaker 2: impress the other wizards. Maybe if you're from Louisville, you're saying, oh,

739
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: of course I know the bounty hunter bloods, But to

740
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: be honest, I didn't know they had bloods in Kentucky.

741
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: It sounds fully made up to me. Investigative journalist Ali

742
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: Winston wrote on a piece for Rolling Stone that a

743
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Speaker 2: record's request to the Louisville Metropolitan Police produced no responsive

744
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: record of an incident matching the details provided here. But

745
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: the shooting is laid out in some pretty clear detail

746
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: in the prosecution sentencing memorandum, and the defense doesn't dispute it.

747
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: In fact, they referred to it as well as something

748
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: that happened, and if the case had gone to trial,

749
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: the government was prepared to put on witnesses, including someone

750
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Speaker 2: who was prepared to testify that not only had Melzer

751
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: told him about the shooting immediately after it happened, he

752
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: actually knew the victim and was aware that the man's

753
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: humorous had been shattered by the bullet and he had

754
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: permanently lost the use of that arm. And a witness

755
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: who had been Melser's roommate at the time planned to

756
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: testify that he was aware of Melzer's drug dealing activities

757
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: during that time period, and he'd seen photographs of the

758
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: bullet wound. So I guess he really did shoot a

759
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: guy in twenty seventeen. But we are not talking about

760
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: Ethan Melzer because he was a drug dealer who shot

761
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Speaker 2: another drug dealer in a drug deal in Louisville in

762
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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. We're talking about Ethan Melzer because in twenty

763
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: twenty he was charged with conspiracy to murder US nationals,

764
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Speaker 2: attempted murder of US nationals, conspiracy to murder US service members,

765
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: attempted murder of US service members, provision of material support

766
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: to terrorists, conspiracy to murder and maame in a foreign country,

767
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: conspiracy to injure property of a foreign government, and illegal

768
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: transmission of national defense information. So if you listen to

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Speaker 2: the episode a couple of weeks ago when we were

770
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: talking about how it's relatively uncommon for someone to be

771
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: charged for lying on their enlistment paperwork about being involved

772
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: with an extremist group, well, Ethan Melzer is someone I

773
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: was thinking about specifically when I said usually, by the

774
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: time it's obviously lied about this, the situation has gotten

775
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: a little more serious than lying on a form, so

776
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: it sounds like they could have hit him with that charge.

777
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Too, But at this point, why bother.

778
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: And now that we are more than halfway through this story,

779
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: Now that you have a little context for where our

780
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: weird little guy ended up, which is federal prison. Now

781
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: that you know something about a silly sounding but frightening

782
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: Nazi Satanic cult and the messy situation within Adam Woffin

783
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: in the years between Brandon Russell's first trip to Federal

784
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: prison and his second trip to Federal prison and the

785
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Speaker 2: eventual collapse of Adam Woffin. Now I can start from

786
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Speaker 2: the beginning of Ethan Melzer's story, But unfortunately, because I

787
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: started so far from the beginning, I'll have to get

788
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: to the end next week. I know this feels like

789
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 2: a little bit of a bait and switch. I told

790
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: you this was going to be about Ethan Melzer trying

791
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: to get al Qaida to kill a bunch of soldiers

792
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: in service of his advancement in a neo Nazi Satanic.

793
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: Cult, and we didn't even get to that.

794
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: But words like Nazi and Satanic cult are such loaded

795
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Speaker 2: terms and ones that have been abused and exploited to

796
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: trigger a specific kind of fear response in you. So

797
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: I felt like I owed it to you to give

798
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: you this sort of convoluted history that led to him

799
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: being in that chat room, and to show you why

800
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm using those words and why they are absolutely appropriate here.

801
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Speaker 2: So I hope you'll come back next week to see

802
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Speaker 2: how it all ended. We'd Little Guys is a production

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Speaker 2: Lichtermann and Robert Evans. The show is edited by the

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Speaker 2: eternally patient and wildly talented Rory Gagan. The theme music

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