WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: !!!BREAKING!!! Juror Dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Monday, June sixteenth, and a juror

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<v Speaker 1>has officially been dismissed in the Diddy trial. It happened

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<v Speaker 1>first thing this morning in court. This is the first

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<v Speaker 1>juror to be dismissed in this case, and now we're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing it might not be the last. Welcome everybody to

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of Amy and TJ beginning the sixth full week,

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<v Speaker 1>day twenty four of testimony in the Diddy trial. And

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<v Speaker 1>it I mean not to editorialize here too much, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm almost glad this dude's gone because I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 1>talking about him.

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<v Speaker 2>We have been talking about him for days now. And

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<v Speaker 2>finally the judge in this case decided first thing Monday

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<v Speaker 2>morning that juror number six was going to be off

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<v Speaker 2>the jury. That's following through with what he suggested he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to do on Friday. But this juror is

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<v Speaker 2>a forty one year old black man who works at

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<v Speaker 2>a correctional facility. The problem is he told the court

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<v Speaker 2>during during selection that he lived in the Bronx. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then he mentioned to a staffer in the court that

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<v Speaker 2>he he lived in New Jersey and that he sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>lives in the Bronx with his aunt, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>judge felt in this case that his credibility was shot,

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<v Speaker 2>it was gone, and he had to be removed.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's that simple. If you don't live in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not eligible to serve on this jury. The judge

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<v Speaker 1>had some kind of stronger words and sound like the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was intentionally being deceptive and lying.

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<v Speaker 3>He used the word.

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<v Speaker 1>Shade at one point, just said the guy's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>stay on the jury.

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<v Speaker 2>He said the record raised serious concerns as to the

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<v Speaker 2>jurors candor and yes, he said that he the jury

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<v Speaker 2>number six appeared to be shading his answers to try

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<v Speaker 2>and remain on the jury, which is a big red

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<v Speaker 2>flag in terms of credibility.

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<v Speaker 3>In any ca.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if anybody tries to change their answer to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on a jury, who wants to stay on a jury?

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<v Speaker 2>Not me? So most people that I know try to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of jury duty altogether. But so, who who

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<v Speaker 2>is his replacement during number six is excused? In comes

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<v Speaker 2>a fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>Seven year old accountant from Westchester County. He is a

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<v Speaker 4>white male.

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<v Speaker 2>He will replace during number six who was a black

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<v Speaker 2>male and not raised some concerns for the defense.

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<v Speaker 4>They certainly brought it up a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, this is going to be they will probably ask

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<v Speaker 1>for a mistrial over this, won't get it. But look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a guy who, by all accounts from the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>if there is a way to read the jury, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had to guess which way this guy was leaning,

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed to be leaning towards Ditty's camp, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>And that this was the guy the courtroom observers said

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<v Speaker 1>even did he was acknowledging and looking at and possibly

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<v Speaker 1>shaking his head at at times, and interacting with to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain degree.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was the juror who also said, when he

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<v Speaker 2>was questioned initially that he was a big fan of

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<v Speaker 2>nineties hip hop. So I believe your.

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<v Speaker 4>Assessment of the situation is most likely correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he probably It's probably impossible to overlook Diddy in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties if you liked hip hop quite frankly, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably heard of him. But it's weird to think

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<v Speaker 1>that a guy is trying to That's tough.

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<v Speaker 3>So they what was it? They?

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<v Speaker 1>So the back and forth gave one answer, I live

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bronx. Having a conversation, he said, well, live

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<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey most of the time. But then we

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<v Speaker 1>was questioned by the court over this and still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of flip flopped on his answer when the judge asked

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<v Speaker 1>him they wanted possibly to bring him back in to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the judge. The judge says, for what, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't trust anything. He's going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're done, Yeah, and just let him go.

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<v Speaker 3>First thing. Did not even want to hear another word.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, anyone who's trying to not just get on

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<v Speaker 2>a jury but then stay on a jury, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a motive for that, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>That is such a good way to put it. There

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<v Speaker 4>had to be a motive.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there is potentially an issue with another juror, this

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<v Speaker 2>time over conversations. We know it's a he may have

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<v Speaker 2>had with a colleague. We don't have much more information

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<v Speaker 2>than that. But these jurors are absolutely told by the

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<v Speaker 2>judge you cannot discuss this case with anyone, You cannot

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<v Speaker 2>research this case, you cannot go online and google this case.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's determined that a juror in fact did

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<v Speaker 2>do that, that is absolutely grounds for dismissal.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the judge said he's going to take this

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<v Speaker 1>one up at the end of the day, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was a juror. I believe they took a look at

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<v Speaker 1>his phone already, So this is a juror of what

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<v Speaker 1>in the world is going on? And if it took

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<v Speaker 1>a look at his phone, if this juror was stupid

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<v Speaker 1>enough to text something about the trial, kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>me a break on that one.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wild though.

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<v Speaker 2>If he texted something or said something to a colleague,

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<v Speaker 2>the colleague then had to go tell someone who told someone.

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<v Speaker 4>Directly contacted the court. But it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we have obviously, we've conjectured in other podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>that it's hard to imagine that any of these jurors,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they're instructed to sequester themselves, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the jury, or excuse me, when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the trial, it's hard to imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>people human nature is human nature, actually do that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>So now you've got somebody who's just kind of being

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<v Speaker 2>told or called out.

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<v Speaker 4>About it to.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at I mean that is isn't that a done deal?

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that a rap?

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<v Speaker 2>Yet?

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<v Speaker 1>If you've talked to somebody about it and they know

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<v Speaker 1>you've done it, then isn't that automatic dismissal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the reports I'm seeing is that the juror had

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<v Speaker 2>to hand his phone to the judge. Man, the judge said,

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<v Speaker 2>give me your phone, he had to give it to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, if there's anything incriminating on that phone, do.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to legally legal? So does he have a

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<v Speaker 3>right to your phone?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's a really good question, knowing me like, sir, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I'll give it to you. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have to a judge. When a judge tells

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<v Speaker 2>you to do something, don't you have to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but you give some violation. That's my privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have a right to look into my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>or does it judge say okay, let me see your

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<v Speaker 1>phone or your off this jury?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe that was something.

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<v Speaker 1>And also the other question I just said, if now

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<v Speaker 1>we need a legal expert, what if he was googling

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<v Speaker 1>something about the trial? Is that grounds for dismissive? You

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<v Speaker 1>look at the phone and Google searchers are as well. Yes, Wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so all that drama.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you if anyone asked you to hand over

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<v Speaker 2>your phone, you'd say and goodbye, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 4>Alternate number two, Come on, up year.

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<v Speaker 1>I had things to do next week anyway, But he's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's out. The that question about this is a very

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<v Speaker 1>diverse I don't have it in front of me. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did say this is a very diverse jury.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, you just swapped out one black nineties hip

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<v Speaker 1>hop New Yorker for a white, fifty six year old

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<v Speaker 1>Westchester County living dude.

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<v Speaker 4>Very different perspectives potentially on life.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you see why the defense might have been

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<v Speaker 1>fighting tooth and nail to hold on to that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>That is certainly why.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so before we get into the testimony that's

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<v Speaker 2>going on today, or do we want to do that first,

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<v Speaker 2>because I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, and do you Kanye?

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get to go ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you Kanye?

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<v Speaker 4>Because what was that on Friday? Huge? Upward?

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<v Speaker 2>The press starts racing and running and chasing because all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, in walks Kanye West or I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>We're only supposed to call him yae.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is correct now.

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<v Speaker 2>Dressed in all white yep walking into that courtroom to

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<v Speaker 2>support his friend Diddy. But he kind of had to

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<v Speaker 2>do a walk of shame on the way back right.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't in there that long, anywhere from thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>forty minutes perhaps, But we've talked about here. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to just walk into the courtroom. You can't even

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<v Speaker 1>You have to get on a list actually to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously he didn't get there early.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't wait in line. He did, yea, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to wait in line, that's shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>But he went in from the reports intide the courthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>he went to the overflow room, stayed only for a

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<v Speaker 1>short time, and he came right back out. So he

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<v Speaker 1>only supported his friend for thirty forty minutes, but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get the lay eyes on him.

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<v Speaker 4>Fairly certain he was looking for the photo.

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<v Speaker 2>Op of supporting his own Oh stop, I mean no,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's a show of support. You show up to

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom, you know right where the cameras are, you

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<v Speaker 2>have your photo taken here. I am supporting Ditty. It

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<v Speaker 2>was less about hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial to that point. Now, that isn't I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think you're thinking like a pr person. We should know this,

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, it is a public show of support, even

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<v Speaker 1>if Diddy has no idea he was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't have to say one word to Ditty.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't have to say anything to the cameras, just

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<v Speaker 2>his mere presence there. And he walked in with one

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<v Speaker 2>of Ditty's sons, I believe so clearly, with the family

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<v Speaker 2>walking in, he probably I don't even know if he

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<v Speaker 2>even watched or listened to the trial.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just I'm going to be here. I'll stay

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<v Speaker 4>for long enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people will think I absorbed some of what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll walk out.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty minutes, though, bro, you gotta give me more than thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>He got the gist of it. I think that's where

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<v Speaker 4>he was.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't go to a Broadway show and see thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of it and walk out going you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I got the.

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<v Speaker 4>Gist that was good enough, and it was a show.

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<v Speaker 2>The political theater that was going on there certainly was incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>because we heard from Jonathan Perez, who was the assistant

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<v Speaker 2>to Ditty for the three years that led right up

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<v Speaker 2>to his arrest, so he's certainly had to take again.

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<v Speaker 4>He was given an immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Deal as well, so a lot of that going around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's kind of like on repeat, and I never

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<v Speaker 2>know quite how to phrase it. He took an immunity deal,

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<v Speaker 2>is that.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to give him one. What's the Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been granted. Immunity is the way to do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them have to because they were buying drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>transporting drugs, and doing things. So the government wants their testimony.

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<v Speaker 4>They need is ironic or at least it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>They need the employees to admit that they committed illegal

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<v Speaker 2>acts on behalf of didty in order to prove what

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to say, did he did, which is racketeering,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And so they have to damn themselves, so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak, and so they have to get immunity in

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<v Speaker 2>order to testify. All right, So what did we learn

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<v Speaker 2>about freak co ops that we didn't already know?

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<v Speaker 4>TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird to think that we are still learning. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this Jonathan Perez even though he did and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of these freak cops and setting up these Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this was another thing that jumped out, do you catch

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<v Speaker 1>this for cast? Even to her Fine, they were called

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<v Speaker 1>freak ofughs. For another woman, they were called hotel nights

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody else they call king knights. So they were

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<v Speaker 1>all the same thing, but called different names depending on

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<v Speaker 1>who the woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was different eras of their stress parties, and

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<v Speaker 2>that way they could remember, all right, if we call

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<v Speaker 2>them this, that's with her.

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<v Speaker 4>If we call them the other, it's with the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Hotel nights has just a much.

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<v Speaker 4>Better ring to freakoffs are scary hotel nights. Hotel nights

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<v Speaker 4>sound fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listen to the fun at this hotel night. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he extra details you mentioned. He said there were times

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<v Speaker 1>he would set up an IVY for the women to

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<v Speaker 1>recover after a free call.

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<v Speaker 4>Think about that.

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<v Speaker 3>That you need fluids, you need.

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<v Speaker 2>To be you need ivy fluids after going for that

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<v Speaker 2>long with a sex party, they already had them pre

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<v Speaker 2>arranged and set up ready to keep. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>amazing to me that the length and the intense with

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<v Speaker 2>which these parties took place.

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<v Speaker 1>All this is that's the first time I've heard this detail.

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<v Speaker 1>But of all the details we've heard in all of

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<v Speaker 1>these hotel nights.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd have to have an ivy.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like it all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm like, wow, that's good medical attention to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain degree. I'm I'd say that somewhat jokingly, but

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<v Speaker 1>just Wow, it makes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense, doesn't It also lend itself to that thinks about

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<v Speaker 2>you think about physical abuse, and I know people do this.

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<v Speaker 4>When they have a hard night of partying. They'll go

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<v Speaker 4>to an ivy drive.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's like self imposed, you know, just bad behavior, right,

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<v Speaker 2>You're just dealing with the consequences of your choices. But

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<v Speaker 2>this seems like there's an acknowledgment that there's physical damage

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<v Speaker 2>being done to everyone who is participating.

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<v Speaker 3>You helping your victim recover, I'm sure is how.

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<v Speaker 4>The prosecutor that they can keep being victimized.

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<v Speaker 1>Is how the prosecution is trying to frame all this.

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<v Speaker 1>He did say, Jane, who was on the stand, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she testified longer than anybody and just wrapped up

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<v Speaker 1>what last week, Yes said, never saw her at any point, hesitant, unhappy,

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than enthusiastic to participate. Now, that could mean

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<v Speaker 1>she was putting on and that's all he saw was

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<v Speaker 1>her putting on in front of Ditty. Or it could

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<v Speaker 1>mean with the defenses trying to prove, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>she was an enthusiastic, consensual participant.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what was this about tom Ford shorts that

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<v Speaker 2>she went out and purchased before freak gofs because.

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<v Speaker 4>She liked them.

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<v Speaker 1>He provided tom Ford shorts for her. She always made

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<v Speaker 1>sure she went to the salon and got dulled up

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<v Speaker 1>for them. Now, she can always argue that's the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>she was trying to do to make Diddy happy. But

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<v Speaker 1>the defense will see that as look at her. She

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<v Speaker 1>was getting ready for her She did it herself for

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<v Speaker 1>a big night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was getting all the glam squad business going

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<v Speaker 2>just to participate and to perform, so to speak, in

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<v Speaker 2>these freak offs. That. Of course, the defense says she

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<v Speaker 2>was happily willing to attend, and it seems Jonathan Perez

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<v Speaker 2>is agreeing with that way of assessing it.

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<v Speaker 4>He also talked about how he would.

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<v Speaker 2>Go and get cocaine, molly xanax for Ditty, So he

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<v Speaker 2>actually completely admitted being a drug mule, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>for Ditty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I mean, these guys committing crimes, they absolulutely are.

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<v Speaker 1>And there you know we look, this is not somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who is we talk about being Look, we've heard people

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<v Speaker 1>testify about physical abuse, sexual abuse on the stand. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy who's suffering a different type of humiliation.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost he's had to get on the stand and under

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<v Speaker 1>oath admit that he was literally committing crimes on a

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<v Speaker 1>regular basis, almost on this guy's behalf.

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<v Speaker 3>That's got to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different type of humiliation they deal with right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know that we got his salary. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>But every single other assistant who had to do almost

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<v Speaker 2>will they testify that they had to do almost very

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<v Speaker 2>similar menial tasks and illegal tax tasks got paid between

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<v Speaker 2>like fifty sixty five thousand dollars. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>they were getting rich off of doing something that could

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<v Speaker 2>have absolutely landed each.

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<v Speaker 4>Of them behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's interesting that they did it for so little money,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were doing it for Diddy and perhaps just

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<v Speaker 2>to be in his world and to have him take

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<v Speaker 2>notice of them, and perhaps hoping it was an investment

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<v Speaker 2>in their career.

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<v Speaker 1>I also mentioned sometimes I get a two hour to

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<v Speaker 1>a two day notice to set up for these free calls.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that not everything.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to have everything in the room to where

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have to be bothered for twenty four to

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<v Speaker 1>four eight hours, So every bit of food, water, snags, drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>just the room had to be stocked to wear wing

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see ditty for two days.

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<v Speaker 4>That's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine going away for two days, having people

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<v Speaker 2>prep your world for that, and all the while have them,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the testimony, commit illegal acts to make this

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<v Speaker 2>all work. That's like crazy. And this wasn't a one off.

0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.280
<v Speaker 2>This wasn't once a year on special occasions. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes once or twice a week, according to people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been testifying. I don't know how anyone has that

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<v Speaker 2>much stamina. I know drugs were involved to create that.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of stamina.

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<v Speaker 2>Even still, Yeah, let's talk about what's in the Gucci bag.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a Gucci bag, and there were some

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<v Speaker 2>mustas that the Gucci bag had to be stocked with cash, cocaine, ketamine, adderall, xanax,

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<v Speaker 2>and molly my god, I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>I travel with advil and chapstick. Those are my must have.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what kind of the same for me? That's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I need some Adville every now and then I might

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<v Speaker 2>I might want some melatonin, clariton, clariton. Okay, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's our big medicine bag.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, very small bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's not in a Gucci bag either.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you carry our little nothing in a Gucci bag

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<v Speaker 1>is just remarkable. Now, this is I'm smiling here now.

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<v Speaker 1>And he Jonathan told gave this detail, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>going through a lot of text messages that've been going

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<v Speaker 1>through in court in which he was going back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth with the chief of staff KK that we've been

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<v Speaker 1>hearing so much about we need to give an update

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<v Speaker 1>on here in just a second. But he was going

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. This is a funny detail. KK was

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<v Speaker 1>asking about how things were going with the setup and

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<v Speaker 1>then the cleanup of the hotel room, and he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>back it was kind of jokingly, I've only slipped on

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<v Speaker 1>baby oil twice. Yeah, that he said he actually fell

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<v Speaker 1>slipping around on baby oil. That's just you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>got a little comic relief. We gotta take take them

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<v Speaker 1>one week and get them. But that's another little well.

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<v Speaker 2>And with what's been going on today, so it's it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like kind of a menial, even maybe boring start

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<v Speaker 2>to the day with the testimony, but it's a paralegal

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<v Speaker 2>for the prosecution who was going through meticulously some of

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<v Speaker 2>the texts and explaining the text giving context to the

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<v Speaker 2>jurors about what it is that they're hearing and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the conversation between KK this is again

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<v Speaker 2>Comb's chief of staff, and different assistants or even some

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<v Speaker 2>of the victims, is incredibly eye opening. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>been fascinating to hear some of the details that are

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<v Speaker 2>found in these texts.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking what is it? Remind me Korum? What's her

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<v Speaker 3>first name?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? KK, Christina Korum, Christina Korum that we've heard so

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<v Speaker 1>much about his chief of staff. We've heard now that

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<v Speaker 1>she will not be called by the prosecution at least

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<v Speaker 1>to testify. They've kind of framed her in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this as a co conspirator in this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of these texts met she was aware, she knew,

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<v Speaker 1>she helped set up, she was aware of the violence,

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<v Speaker 1>she was aware of everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But they don't want to call her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting to me because these texts are fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>One of them, so you mentioned kind of the lighthearted jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>COM's assistant Ryan Lopez, texted KK, this is in December

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty nineteen. I think I saw one of the

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<v Speaker 2>cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby like

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<v Speaker 2>an escort. I forgot to tell you about KK. Writes

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<v Speaker 2>back with four laughing face emojis. By the way, how

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<v Speaker 2>long is he going to stay awake? Lopez says, lol,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing until tomorrow night. So they're back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>his staff, laughing and teasing about these freak offs, these

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<v Speaker 2>sex parties, these hotel nights, back and forth among their employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you just go right past the cowboys and okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, I was going to say, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss because that was also something that came up in

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<v Speaker 2>testimony today and from the text messages that yes did.

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<v Speaker 2>He apparently frequently used this escort service called cowboys and

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys for Angels. It means, if you're an angel, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a cowboy for you. Oh cowboys for angel?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, sorry, gotcha?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, yeah, that was that was a fun little

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<v Speaker 2>service that I'm sure is really appreciating all the extra

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<v Speaker 2>attention they are getting to.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they meant by I bet you could spot

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<v Speaker 1>a cowboy and a lobby.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, no, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, should I explain that now or should

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<v Speaker 2>I wait until after I reference the text exchange. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just interesting how they were joking around the everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Knew Yeah, exactly.

0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Everybody office buzz water cooler talking bad boy. Yes, everybody

0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:23.920
<v Speaker 1>apparently knew.

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<v Speaker 3>What was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there are very specific texts between Diddy and

0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:33.520
<v Speaker 2>between KK. Where did he apparently texts exactly that he

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<v Speaker 2>wants fifteen pills of Molly from KK and then telling

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<v Speaker 2>her not to text more about it? So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really irrefutable evidence that the jury was hearing

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<v Speaker 2>today from the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 1>You bring us now to another point about KK. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an incident with this video that Jonathan talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at Ditty's home and he said he was

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<v Speaker 1>in one room and heard somebody screaming in the next room.

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<v Speaker 1>And the person screaming in the next room was a

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<v Speaker 1>videographer who had just found owned a freak off video

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.800
<v Speaker 1>on an employee iPad. Right, so just shock the hell

0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 1>out of him. He starts screaming. So Jonathan, the assistant,

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<v Speaker 1>reports it to Diddy, and he reports it to KK,

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and KK tells him next time, don't report it to Diddy,

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<v Speaker 1>just bring it to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She managed, she managed everything. She was managing Cassie Ventura

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.040
<v Speaker 2>when Cassie told her basically, no one deserves to be

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<v Speaker 2>dragged by their hair after she said that Diddy did

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.119
<v Speaker 2>just that to her. And so KK is literally trying

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to just massage everything to make everything better, saying, hey,

0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why Diddy's acting out. You need to

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<v Speaker 2>stay focused on your career. I'll try to handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's irrefutable when you look at.

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<v Speaker 1>These texts, seemingly aware of everything. So we were talking earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>so why wouldn't they call her if she's aware.

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<v Speaker 3>Of all this Stuff's interesting, like they put her up there.

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<v Speaker 3>She's not gonna admit to all this stuff, is she?

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<v Speaker 3>Because this.

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<v Speaker 4>Take the fifth?

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<v Speaker 1>They say all of these are crimes that she's a

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<v Speaker 1>part of, So she would get up there and just

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.160
<v Speaker 1>plead the fifth all day long. Can't give her immunity

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>because they are already accusing her of essentially committing crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you do with her? The defense is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go They can't call it.

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.080
<v Speaker 4>I can't imagine they would want to call her because.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the prosecution gets to have their way with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and i'mus I'm curious if she will be facing

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.119
<v Speaker 2>charges as well after this. They have not charged her yet,

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 2>we should point out. So it's fascinating and of course

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<v Speaker 2>we're just in terms of following this and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>interpret it. Obviously, neither one of us have legal degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have covered plenty of court cases in our

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<v Speaker 2>decades of experience, and this is one like I have

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<v Speaker 2>never seen before in my life, in my career. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it remains to be seen what will happen with KK,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think we can feel pretty certain she will

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<v Speaker 2>not be taking the stand in this city trial.

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<v Speaker 1>We are expecting what five more witnesses are believe that

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, prosecution says they're going to have help me

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<v Speaker 1>with who it's going to be a couple of summary

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses like the one up there kind of explaining the

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<v Speaker 1>text messages, one law enforcement agent and in Brendan Paul

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<v Speaker 1>that is named the Brendan Paul. Brendon Paul was a

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<v Speaker 1>former assistant as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so we will keep you updated on all of

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<v Speaker 2>the latest developments from that courtroom in Lower Manhattan where

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<v Speaker 2>all eyes have been on it for.

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<v Speaker 4>Six weeks now. We thank you for listening

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<v Speaker 2>To us, and we hope you all have a wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>day