Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, June sixteenth, and a juror
Speaker 1: has officially been dismissed in the Diddy trial. It happened
Speaker 1: first thing this morning in court. This is the first
Speaker 1: juror to be dismissed in this case, and now we're
Speaker 1: hearing it might not be the last. Welcome everybody to
Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ beginning the sixth full week,
Speaker 1: day twenty four of testimony in the Diddy trial. And
Speaker 1: it I mean not to editorialize here too much, but
Speaker 1: I'm almost glad this dude's gone because I'm tired of
Speaker 1: talking about him.
Speaker 2: We have been talking about him for days now. And
Speaker 2: finally the judge in this case decided first thing Monday
Speaker 2: morning that juror number six was going to be off
Speaker 2: the jury. That's following through with what he suggested he
Speaker 2: was going to do on Friday. But this juror is
Speaker 2: a forty one year old black man who works at
Speaker 2: a correctional facility. The problem is he told the court
Speaker 2: during during selection that he lived in the Bronx. Well,
Speaker 2: then he mentioned to a staffer in the court that
Speaker 2: he he lived in New Jersey and that he sometimes
Speaker 2: lives in the Bronx with his aunt, and so the
Speaker 2: judge felt in this case that his credibility was shot,
Speaker 2: it was gone, and he had to be removed.
Speaker 1: Look, it's that simple. If you don't live in New York,
Speaker 1: you're not eligible to serve on this jury. The judge
Speaker 1: had some kind of stronger words and sound like the
Speaker 1: guy was intentionally being deceptive and lying.
Speaker 3: He used the word.
Speaker 1: Shade at one point, just said the guy's trying to
Speaker 1: stay on the jury.
Speaker 2: He said the record raised serious concerns as to the
Speaker 2: jurors candor and yes, he said that he the jury
Speaker 2: number six appeared to be shading his answers to try
Speaker 2: and remain on the jury, which is a big red
Speaker 2: flag in terms of credibility.
Speaker 3: In any ca.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anybody tries to change their answer to stay
Speaker 1: on a jury, who wants to stay on a jury?
Speaker 2: Not me? So most people that I know try to
Speaker 2: get out of jury duty altogether. But so, who who
Speaker 2: is his replacement during number six is excused? In comes
Speaker 2: a fifty.
Speaker 4: Seven year old accountant from Westchester County. He is a
Speaker 4: white male.
Speaker 2: He will replace during number six who was a black
Speaker 2: male and not raised some concerns for the defense.
Speaker 4: They certainly brought it up a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Look, this is going to be they will probably ask
Speaker 1: for a mistrial over this, won't get it. But look,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who, by all accounts from the courtroom,
Speaker 1: if there is a way to read the jury, if
Speaker 1: you had to guess which way this guy was leaning,
Speaker 1: he seemed to be leaning towards Ditty's camp, if you will,
Speaker 1: And that this was the guy the courtroom observers said
Speaker 1: even did he was acknowledging and looking at and possibly
Speaker 1: shaking his head at at times, and interacting with to
Speaker 1: a certain degree.
Speaker 2: And this was the juror who also said, when he
Speaker 2: was questioned initially that he was a big fan of
Speaker 2: nineties hip hop. So I believe your.
Speaker 4: Assessment of the situation is most likely correct.
Speaker 1: Okay, he probably It's probably impossible to overlook Diddy in
Speaker 1: the nineties if you liked hip hop quite frankly, so
Speaker 1: he's probably heard of him. But it's weird to think
Speaker 1: that a guy is trying to That's tough.
Speaker 3: So they what was it? They?
Speaker 1: So the back and forth gave one answer, I live
Speaker 1: in the Bronx. Having a conversation, he said, well, live
Speaker 1: in New Jersey most of the time. But then we
Speaker 1: was questioned by the court over this and still kind
Speaker 1: of flip flopped on his answer when the judge asked
Speaker 1: him they wanted possibly to bring him back in to
Speaker 1: talk to the judge. The judge says, for what, like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't trust anything. He's going to say,
Speaker 1: now we're done, Yeah, and just let him go.
Speaker 3: First thing. Did not even want to hear another word.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, anyone who's trying to not just get on
Speaker 2: a jury but then stay on a jury, you got
Speaker 2: a motive for that, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: That is such a good way to put it. There
Speaker 4: had to be a motive.
Speaker 2: Now there is potentially an issue with another juror, this
Speaker 2: time over conversations. We know it's a he may have
Speaker 2: had with a colleague. We don't have much more information
Speaker 2: than that. But these jurors are absolutely told by the
Speaker 2: judge you cannot discuss this case with anyone, You cannot
Speaker 2: research this case, you cannot go online and google this case.
Speaker 2: But if it's determined that a juror in fact did
Speaker 2: do that, that is absolutely grounds for dismissal.
Speaker 1: I think the judge said he's going to take this
Speaker 1: one up at the end of the day, and this
Speaker 1: was a juror. I believe they took a look at
Speaker 1: his phone already, So this is a juror of what
Speaker 1: in the world is going on? And if it took
Speaker 1: a look at his phone, if this juror was stupid
Speaker 1: enough to text something about the trial, kind of give
Speaker 1: me a break on that one.
Speaker 4: It's wild though.
Speaker 2: If he texted something or said something to a colleague,
Speaker 2: the colleague then had to go tell someone who told someone.
Speaker 4: Directly contacted the court. But it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have obviously, we've conjectured in other podcasts
Speaker 2: that it's hard to imagine that any of these jurors,
Speaker 2: even though they're instructed to sequester themselves, so to speak,
Speaker 2: when it comes to the jury, or excuse me, when
Speaker 2: it comes to the trial, it's hard to imagine that
Speaker 2: people human nature is human nature, actually do that. Yes,
Speaker 2: So now you've got somebody who's just kind of being
Speaker 2: told or called out.
Speaker 4: About it to.
Speaker 3: Look at I mean that is isn't that a done deal?
Speaker 3: Isn't that a rap?
Speaker 2: Yet?
Speaker 1: If you've talked to somebody about it and they know
Speaker 1: you've done it, then isn't that automatic dismissal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the reports I'm seeing is that the juror had
Speaker 2: to hand his phone to the judge. Man, the judge said,
Speaker 2: give me your phone, he had to give it to him,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, if there's anything incriminating on that phone, do.
Speaker 3: You have to legally legal? So does he have a
Speaker 3: right to your phone?
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a really good question, knowing me like, sir, Yes,
Speaker 2: of course, I'll give it to you. I think you
Speaker 2: kind of have to a judge. When a judge tells
Speaker 2: you to do something, don't you have to do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you give some violation. That's my privacy.
Speaker 1: You don't have a right to look into my phone,
Speaker 1: or does it judge say okay, let me see your
Speaker 1: phone or your off this jury?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that was something.
Speaker 1: And also the other question I just said, if now
Speaker 1: we need a legal expert, what if he was googling
Speaker 1: something about the trial? Is that grounds for dismissive? You
Speaker 1: look at the phone and Google searchers are as well. Yes, Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: so all that drama.
Speaker 2: I know you if anyone asked you to hand over
Speaker 2: your phone, you'd say and goodbye, I'm out.
Speaker 4: Alternate number two, Come on, up year.
Speaker 1: I had things to do next week anyway, But he's uh,
Speaker 1: he's out. The that question about this is a very
Speaker 1: diverse I don't have it in front of me. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but they did say this is a very diverse jury.
Speaker 1: But still, you just swapped out one black nineties hip
Speaker 1: hop New Yorker for a white, fifty six year old
Speaker 1: Westchester County living dude.
Speaker 4: Very different perspectives potentially on life.
Speaker 1: And so you see why the defense might have been
Speaker 1: fighting tooth and nail to hold on to that guy.
Speaker 4: That is certainly why.
Speaker 2: All right, so before we get into the testimony that's
Speaker 2: going on today, or do we want to do that first,
Speaker 2: because I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, and do you Kanye?
Speaker 4: I can't wait to.
Speaker 1: Get to go ahead?
Speaker 3: Do you Kanye?
Speaker 4: Because what was that on Friday? Huge? Upward?
Speaker 2: The press starts racing and running and chasing because all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, in walks Kanye West or I guess.
Speaker 4: We're only supposed to call him yae.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is correct now.
Speaker 2: Dressed in all white yep walking into that courtroom to
Speaker 2: support his friend Diddy. But he kind of had to
Speaker 2: do a walk of shame on the way back right.
Speaker 1: He wasn't in there that long, anywhere from thirty to
Speaker 1: forty minutes perhaps, But we've talked about here. You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to just walk into the courtroom. You can't even
Speaker 1: You have to get on a list actually to do so.
Speaker 1: So obviously he didn't get there early.
Speaker 2: He didn't wait in line. He did, yea, he didn't
Speaker 2: want to wait in line, that's shocked.
Speaker 1: But he went in from the reports intide the courthouse,
Speaker 1: he went to the overflow room, stayed only for a
Speaker 1: short time, and he came right back out. So he
Speaker 1: only supported his friend for thirty forty minutes, but didn't
Speaker 1: get the lay eyes on him.
Speaker 4: Fairly certain he was looking for the photo.
Speaker 2: Op of supporting his own Oh stop, I mean no,
Speaker 2: but that's a show of support. You show up to
Speaker 2: the courtroom, you know right where the cameras are, you
Speaker 2: have your photo taken here. I am supporting Ditty. It
Speaker 2: was less about hearing.
Speaker 1: The trial to that point. Now, that isn't I didn't
Speaker 1: think you're thinking like a pr person. We should know this,
Speaker 1: But yes, it is a public show of support, even
Speaker 1: if Diddy has no idea he was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't have to say one word to Ditty.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to say anything to the cameras, just
Speaker 2: his mere presence there. And he walked in with one
Speaker 2: of Ditty's sons, I believe so clearly, with the family
Speaker 2: walking in, he probably I don't even know if he
Speaker 2: even watched or listened to the trial.
Speaker 4: It was just I'm going to be here. I'll stay
Speaker 4: for long enough.
Speaker 2: Some people will think I absorbed some of what happened,
Speaker 2: and then I'll walk out.
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes, though, bro, you gotta give me more than thirty.
Speaker 4: He got the gist of it. I think that's where
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 1: You can't go to a Broadway show and see thirty
Speaker 1: minutes of it and walk out going you know what,
Speaker 1: I got the.
Speaker 4: Gist that was good enough, and it was a show.
Speaker 2: The political theater that was going on there certainly was incredible,
Speaker 2: because we heard from Jonathan Perez, who was the assistant
Speaker 2: to Ditty for the three years that led right up
Speaker 2: to his arrest, so he's certainly had to take again.
Speaker 4: He was given an immunity.
Speaker 1: Deal as well, so a lot of that going around.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's kind of like on repeat, and I never
Speaker 2: know quite how to phrase it. He took an immunity deal,
Speaker 2: is that.
Speaker 1: They had to give him one. What's the Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: been granted. Immunity is the way to do it, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them have to because they were buying drugs,
Speaker 1: transporting drugs, and doing things. So the government wants their testimony.
Speaker 4: They need is ironic or at least it's interesting.
Speaker 2: They need the employees to admit that they committed illegal
Speaker 2: acts on behalf of didty in order to prove what
Speaker 2: they're trying to say, did he did, which is racketeering,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And so they have to damn themselves, so
Speaker 2: to speak, and so they have to get immunity in
Speaker 2: order to testify. All right, So what did we learn
Speaker 2: about freak co ops that we didn't already know?
Speaker 4: TJ.
Speaker 1: It's weird to think that we are still learning. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this Jonathan Perez even though he did and he was
Speaker 1: a part of these freak cops and setting up these Okay,
Speaker 1: this was another thing that jumped out, do you catch
Speaker 1: this for cast? Even to her Fine, they were called
Speaker 1: freak ofughs. For another woman, they were called hotel nights
Speaker 1: or somebody else they call king knights. So they were
Speaker 1: all the same thing, but called different names depending on
Speaker 1: who the woman.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was different eras of their stress parties, and
Speaker 2: that way they could remember, all right, if we call
Speaker 2: them this, that's with her.
Speaker 4: If we call them the other, it's with the other.
Speaker 3: Hotel nights has just a much.
Speaker 4: Better ring to freakoffs are scary hotel nights. Hotel nights
Speaker 4: sound fun?
Speaker 1: Well, listen to the fun at this hotel night. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he extra details you mentioned. He said there were times
Speaker 1: he would set up an IVY for the women to
Speaker 1: recover after a free call.
Speaker 4: Think about that.
Speaker 3: That you need fluids, you need.
Speaker 2: To be you need ivy fluids after going for that
Speaker 2: long with a sex party, they already had them pre
Speaker 2: arranged and set up ready to keep. It's just it's
Speaker 2: amazing to me that the length and the intense with
Speaker 2: which these parties took place.
Speaker 1: All this is that's the first time I've heard this detail.
Speaker 1: But of all the details we've heard in all of
Speaker 1: these hotel nights.
Speaker 3: You'd have to have an ivy.
Speaker 4: It sounds like it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, wow, that's good medical attention to
Speaker 1: a certain degree. I'm I'd say that somewhat jokingly, but
Speaker 1: just Wow, it makes.
Speaker 2: Sense, doesn't It also lend itself to that thinks about
Speaker 2: you think about physical abuse, and I know people do this.
Speaker 4: When they have a hard night of partying. They'll go
Speaker 4: to an ivy drive.
Speaker 2: But that's like self imposed, you know, just bad behavior, right,
Speaker 2: You're just dealing with the consequences of your choices. But
Speaker 2: this seems like there's an acknowledgment that there's physical damage
Speaker 2: being done to everyone who is participating.
Speaker 3: You helping your victim recover, I'm sure is how.
Speaker 4: The prosecutor that they can keep being victimized.
Speaker 1: Is how the prosecution is trying to frame all this.
Speaker 1: He did say, Jane, who was on the stand, I
Speaker 1: think she testified longer than anybody and just wrapped up
Speaker 1: what last week, Yes said, never saw her at any point, hesitant, unhappy,
Speaker 1: anything other than enthusiastic to participate. Now, that could mean
Speaker 1: she was putting on and that's all he saw was
Speaker 1: her putting on in front of Ditty. Or it could
Speaker 1: mean with the defenses trying to prove, which is that
Speaker 1: she was an enthusiastic, consensual participant.
Speaker 2: And then what was this about tom Ford shorts that
Speaker 2: she went out and purchased before freak gofs because.
Speaker 4: She liked them.
Speaker 1: He provided tom Ford shorts for her. She always made
Speaker 1: sure she went to the salon and got dulled up
Speaker 1: for them. Now, she can always argue that's the stuff
Speaker 1: she was trying to do to make Diddy happy. But
Speaker 1: the defense will see that as look at her. She
Speaker 1: was getting ready for her She did it herself for
Speaker 1: a big night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was getting all the glam squad business going
Speaker 2: just to participate and to perform, so to speak, in
Speaker 2: these freak offs. That. Of course, the defense says she
Speaker 2: was happily willing to attend, and it seems Jonathan Perez
Speaker 2: is agreeing with that way of assessing it.
Speaker 4: He also talked about how he would.
Speaker 2: Go and get cocaine, molly xanax for Ditty, So he
Speaker 2: actually completely admitted being a drug mule, so to speak,
Speaker 2: for Ditty.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, these guys committing crimes, they absolulutely are.
Speaker 1: And there you know we look, this is not somebody
Speaker 1: who is we talk about being Look, we've heard people
Speaker 1: testify about physical abuse, sexual abuse on the stand. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who's suffering a different type of humiliation.
Speaker 1: Almost he's had to get on the stand and under
Speaker 1: oath admit that he was literally committing crimes on a
Speaker 1: regular basis, almost on this guy's behalf.
Speaker 3: That's got to be.
Speaker 1: It's a different type of humiliation they deal with right now.
Speaker 4: And I don't know that we got his salary. I
Speaker 4: don't remember it.
Speaker 2: But every single other assistant who had to do almost
Speaker 2: will they testify that they had to do almost very
Speaker 2: similar menial tasks and illegal tax tasks got paid between
Speaker 2: like fifty sixty five thousand dollars. So it's not like
Speaker 2: they were getting rich off of doing something that could
Speaker 2: have absolutely landed each.
Speaker 4: Of them behind bars.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting that they did it for so little money,
Speaker 2: but they were doing it for Diddy and perhaps just
Speaker 2: to be in his world and to have him take
Speaker 2: notice of them, and perhaps hoping it was an investment
Speaker 2: in their career.
Speaker 1: I also mentioned sometimes I get a two hour to
Speaker 1: a two day notice to set up for these free calls.
Speaker 3: Is that not everything.
Speaker 1: They had to have everything in the room to where
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to be bothered for twenty four to
Speaker 1: four eight hours, So every bit of food, water, snags, drugs,
Speaker 1: just the room had to be stocked to wear wing
Speaker 1: gonna see ditty for two days.
Speaker 4: That's insane.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine going away for two days, having people
Speaker 2: prep your world for that, and all the while have them,
Speaker 2: according to the testimony, commit illegal acts to make this
Speaker 2: all work. That's like crazy. And this wasn't a one off.
Speaker 2: This wasn't once a year on special occasions. We're talking
Speaker 2: sometimes once or twice a week, according to people who
Speaker 2: have been testifying. I don't know how anyone has that
Speaker 2: much stamina. I know drugs were involved to create that.
Speaker 1: Kind of stamina.
Speaker 2: Even still, Yeah, let's talk about what's in the Gucci bag.
Speaker 2: So there was a Gucci bag, and there were some
Speaker 2: mustas that the Gucci bag had to be stocked with cash, cocaine, ketamine, adderall, xanax,
Speaker 2: and molly my god, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: I travel with advil and chapstick. Those are my must have.
Speaker 4: You know what kind of the same for me? That's
Speaker 4: kind of it.
Speaker 2: I need some Adville every now and then I might
Speaker 2: I might want some melatonin, clariton, clariton. Okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's our big medicine bag.
Speaker 3: Wow, very small bag.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's not in a Gucci bag either.
Speaker 1: Would you carry our little nothing in a Gucci bag
Speaker 1: is just remarkable. Now, this is I'm smiling here now.
Speaker 1: And he Jonathan told gave this detail, but he was
Speaker 1: going through a lot of text messages that've been going
Speaker 1: through in court in which he was going back and
Speaker 1: forth with the chief of staff KK that we've been
Speaker 1: hearing so much about we need to give an update
Speaker 1: on here in just a second. But he was going
Speaker 1: back and forth. This is a funny detail. KK was
Speaker 1: asking about how things were going with the setup and
Speaker 1: then the cleanup of the hotel room, and he wrote
Speaker 1: back it was kind of jokingly, I've only slipped on
Speaker 1: baby oil twice. Yeah, that he said he actually fell
Speaker 1: slipping around on baby oil. That's just you know, you
Speaker 1: got a little comic relief. We gotta take take them
Speaker 1: one week and get them. But that's another little well.
Speaker 2: And with what's been going on today, so it's it
Speaker 2: seems like kind of a menial, even maybe boring start
Speaker 2: to the day with the testimony, but it's a paralegal
Speaker 2: for the prosecution who was going through meticulously some of
Speaker 2: the texts and explaining the text giving context to the
Speaker 2: jurors about what it is that they're hearing and seeing
Speaker 2: and some of the conversation between KK this is again
Speaker 2: Comb's chief of staff, and different assistants or even some
Speaker 2: of the victims, is incredibly eye opening. I think it's
Speaker 2: been fascinating to hear some of the details that are
Speaker 2: found in these texts.
Speaker 3: I'm looking what is it? Remind me Korum? What's her
Speaker 3: first name?
Speaker 1: Uh? KK, Christina Korum, Christina Korum that we've heard so
Speaker 1: much about his chief of staff. We've heard now that
Speaker 1: she will not be called by the prosecution at least
Speaker 1: to testify. They've kind of framed her in a lot
Speaker 1: of this as a co conspirator in this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So many of these texts met she was aware, she knew,
Speaker 1: she helped set up, she was aware of the violence,
Speaker 1: she was aware of everything.
Speaker 3: But they don't want to call her.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting to me because these texts are fascinating.
Speaker 4: One of them, so you mentioned kind of the lighthearted jokes.
Speaker 2: COM's assistant Ryan Lopez, texted KK, this is in December
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen. I think I saw one of the
Speaker 2: cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby like
Speaker 2: an escort. I forgot to tell you about KK. Writes
Speaker 2: back with four laughing face emojis. By the way, how
Speaker 2: long is he going to stay awake? Lopez says, lol,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing until tomorrow night. So they're back and forth
Speaker 2: his staff, laughing and teasing about these freak offs, these
Speaker 2: sex parties, these hotel nights, back and forth among their employees.
Speaker 1: Why did you just go right past the cowboys and okay?
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I was going to say, we need to
Speaker 2: discuss because that was also something that came up in
Speaker 2: testimony today and from the text messages that yes did.
Speaker 2: He apparently frequently used this escort service called cowboys and
Speaker 2: Cowboys for Angels. It means, if you're an angel, we've
Speaker 2: got a cowboy for you. Oh cowboys for angel?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, sorry, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Yes, so, yeah, that was that was a fun little
Speaker 2: service that I'm sure is really appreciating all the extra
Speaker 2: attention they are getting to.
Speaker 1: That's what they meant by I bet you could spot
Speaker 1: a cowboy and a lobby.
Speaker 4: Yes, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I was like, should I explain that now or should
Speaker 2: I wait until after I reference the text exchange. But
Speaker 2: it's just interesting how they were joking around the everybody.
Speaker 4: Knew Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Everybody office buzz water cooler talking bad boy. Yes, everybody
Speaker 1: apparently knew.
Speaker 3: What was going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there are very specific texts between Diddy and
Speaker 2: between KK. Where did he apparently texts exactly that he
Speaker 2: wants fifteen pills of Molly from KK and then telling
Speaker 2: her not to text more about it? So, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is really irrefutable evidence that the jury was hearing
Speaker 2: today from the prosecution.
Speaker 1: You bring us now to another point about KK. Here,
Speaker 1: there was an incident with this video that Jonathan talked about.
Speaker 1: He was at Ditty's home and he said he was
Speaker 1: in one room and heard somebody screaming in the next room.
Speaker 1: And the person screaming in the next room was a
Speaker 1: videographer who had just found owned a freak off video
Speaker 1: on an employee iPad. Right, so just shock the hell
Speaker 1: out of him. He starts screaming. So Jonathan, the assistant,
Speaker 1: reports it to Diddy, and he reports it to KK,
Speaker 1: and KK tells him next time, don't report it to Diddy,
Speaker 1: just bring it to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She managed, she managed everything. She was managing Cassie Ventura
Speaker 2: when Cassie told her basically, no one deserves to be
Speaker 2: dragged by their hair after she said that Diddy did
Speaker 2: just that to her. And so KK is literally trying
Speaker 2: to just massage everything to make everything better, saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't know why Diddy's acting out. You need to
Speaker 2: stay focused on your career. I'll try to handle it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's irrefutable when you look at.
Speaker 1: These texts, seemingly aware of everything. So we were talking earlier,
Speaker 1: so why wouldn't they call her if she's aware.
Speaker 3: Of all this Stuff's interesting, like they put her up there.
Speaker 3: She's not gonna admit to all this stuff, is she?
Speaker 3: Because this.
Speaker 4: Take the fifth?
Speaker 1: They say all of these are crimes that she's a
Speaker 1: part of, So she would get up there and just
Speaker 1: plead the fifth all day long. Can't give her immunity
Speaker 1: because they are already accusing her of essentially committing crimes.
Speaker 1: So what do you do with her? The defense is
Speaker 1: not going to go They can't call it.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine they would want to call her because.
Speaker 3: Then the prosecution gets to have their way with her.
Speaker 2: Yes, and i'mus I'm curious if she will be facing
Speaker 2: charges as well after this. They have not charged her yet,
Speaker 2: we should point out. So it's fascinating and of course
Speaker 2: we're just in terms of following this and trying to
Speaker 2: interpret it. Obviously, neither one of us have legal degrees,
Speaker 2: but we have covered plenty of court cases in our
Speaker 2: decades of experience, and this is one like I have
Speaker 2: never seen before in my life, in my career. And
Speaker 2: so it remains to be seen what will happen with KK,
Speaker 2: but I think we can feel pretty certain she will
Speaker 2: not be taking the stand in this city trial.
Speaker 1: We are expecting what five more witnesses are believe that
Speaker 1: excuse me, prosecution says they're going to have help me
Speaker 1: with who it's going to be a couple of summary
Speaker 1: witnesses like the one up there kind of explaining the
Speaker 1: text messages, one law enforcement agent and in Brendan Paul
Speaker 1: that is named the Brendan Paul. Brendon Paul was a
Speaker 1: former assistant as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we will keep you updated on all of
Speaker 2: the latest developments from that courtroom in Lower Manhattan where
Speaker 2: all eyes have been on it for.
Speaker 4: Six weeks now. We thank you for listening
Speaker 2: To us, and we hope you all have a wonderful
Speaker 2: day