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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, June sixteenth, and a juror

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Speaker 1: has officially been dismissed in the Diddy trial. It happened

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Speaker 1: first thing this morning in court. This is the first

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Speaker 1: juror to be dismissed in this case, and now we're

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Speaker 1: hearing it might not be the last. Welcome everybody to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ beginning the sixth full week,

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Speaker 1: day twenty four of testimony in the Diddy trial. And

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Speaker 1: it I mean not to editorialize here too much, but

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Speaker 1: I'm almost glad this dude's gone because I'm tired of

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Speaker 1: talking about him.

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Speaker 2: We have been talking about him for days now. And

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Speaker 2: finally the judge in this case decided first thing Monday

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Speaker 2: morning that juror number six was going to be off

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Speaker 2: the jury. That's following through with what he suggested he

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Speaker 2: was going to do on Friday. But this juror is

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Speaker 2: a forty one year old black man who works at

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Speaker 2: a correctional facility. The problem is he told the court

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Speaker 2: during during selection that he lived in the Bronx. Well,

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Speaker 2: then he mentioned to a staffer in the court that

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Speaker 2: he he lived in New Jersey and that he sometimes

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Speaker 2: lives in the Bronx with his aunt, and so the

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Speaker 2: judge felt in this case that his credibility was shot,

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Speaker 2: it was gone, and he had to be removed.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's that simple. If you don't live in New York,

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Speaker 1: you're not eligible to serve on this jury. The judge

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Speaker 1: had some kind of stronger words and sound like the

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Speaker 1: guy was intentionally being deceptive and lying.

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Speaker 3: He used the word.

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Speaker 1: Shade at one point, just said the guy's trying to

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Speaker 1: stay on the jury.

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Speaker 2: He said the record raised serious concerns as to the

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Speaker 2: jurors candor and yes, he said that he the jury

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Speaker 2: number six appeared to be shading his answers to try

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Speaker 2: and remain on the jury, which is a big red

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Speaker 2: flag in terms of credibility.

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Speaker 3: In any ca.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if anybody tries to change their answer to stay

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Speaker 1: on a jury, who wants to stay on a jury?

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Speaker 2: Not me? So most people that I know try to

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Speaker 2: get out of jury duty altogether. But so, who who

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Speaker 2: is his replacement during number six is excused? In comes

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Speaker 2: a fifty.

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Speaker 4: Seven year old accountant from Westchester County. He is a

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Speaker 4: white male.

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Speaker 2: He will replace during number six who was a black

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Speaker 2: male and not raised some concerns for the defense.

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Speaker 4: They certainly brought it up a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Look, this is going to be they will probably ask

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Speaker 1: for a mistrial over this, won't get it. But look,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who, by all accounts from the courtroom,

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Speaker 1: if there is a way to read the jury, if

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Speaker 1: you had to guess which way this guy was leaning,

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Speaker 1: he seemed to be leaning towards Ditty's camp, if you will,

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Speaker 1: And that this was the guy the courtroom observers said

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Speaker 1: even did he was acknowledging and looking at and possibly

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Speaker 1: a certain degree.

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Speaker 2: And this was the juror who also said, when he

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Speaker 2: was questioned initially that he was a big fan of

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Speaker 2: nineties hip hop. So I believe your.

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Speaker 4: Assessment of the situation is most likely correct.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he probably It's probably impossible to overlook Diddy in

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Speaker 1: the nineties if you liked hip hop quite frankly, so

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Speaker 1: he's probably heard of him. But it's weird to think

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Speaker 1: that a guy is trying to That's tough.

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Speaker 3: So they what was it? They?

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Speaker 1: So the back and forth gave one answer, I live

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Speaker 1: in the Bronx. Having a conversation, he said, well, live

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey most of the time. But then we

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Speaker 1: was questioned by the court over this and still kind

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Speaker 1: of flip flopped on his answer when the judge asked

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Speaker 1: him they wanted possibly to bring him back in to

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Speaker 1: talk to the judge. The judge says, for what, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't trust anything. He's going to say,

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Speaker 1: now we're done, Yeah, and just let him go.

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Speaker 3: First thing. Did not even want to hear another word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, anyone who's trying to not just get on

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Speaker 2: a jury but then stay on a jury, you got

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Speaker 2: a motive for that, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: That is such a good way to put it. There

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Speaker 4: had to be a motive.

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Speaker 2: Now there is potentially an issue with another juror, this

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Speaker 2: time over conversations. We know it's a he may have

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Speaker 2: than that. But these jurors are absolutely told by the

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Speaker 2: judge you cannot discuss this case with anyone, You cannot

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Speaker 2: research this case, you cannot go online and google this case.

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Speaker 2: But if it's determined that a juror in fact did

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Speaker 2: do that, that is absolutely grounds for dismissal.

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Speaker 1: I think the judge said he's going to take this

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Speaker 1: one up at the end of the day, and this

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Speaker 1: was a juror. I believe they took a look at

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Speaker 1: his phone already, So this is a juror of what

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Speaker 1: in the world is going on? And if it took

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Speaker 1: a look at his phone, if this juror was stupid

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Speaker 1: enough to text something about the trial, kind of give

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Speaker 1: me a break on that one.

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Speaker 4: It's wild though.

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Speaker 2: If he texted something or said something to a colleague,

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Speaker 2: the colleague then had to go tell someone who told someone.

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Speaker 4: Directly contacted the court. But it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have obviously, we've conjectured in other podcasts

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Speaker 2: that it's hard to imagine that any of these jurors,

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Speaker 2: even though they're instructed to sequester themselves, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the jury, or excuse me, when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the trial, it's hard to imagine that

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Speaker 2: people human nature is human nature, actually do that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So now you've got somebody who's just kind of being

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Speaker 4: About it to.

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Speaker 3: Look at I mean that is isn't that a done deal?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a rap?

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Speaker 2: Yet?

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Speaker 1: If you've talked to somebody about it and they know

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Speaker 1: you've done it, then isn't that automatic dismissal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the reports I'm seeing is that the juror had

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Speaker 2: to hand his phone to the judge. Man, the judge said,

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Speaker 2: give me your phone, he had to give it to him,

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, if there's anything incriminating on that phone, do.

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Speaker 3: You have to legally legal? So does he have a

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a really good question, knowing me like, sir, Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course, I'll give it to you. I think you

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Speaker 2: kind of have to a judge. When a judge tells

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but you give some violation. That's my privacy.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a right to look into my phone,

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Speaker 1: or does it judge say okay, let me see your

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that was something.

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Speaker 1: And also the other question I just said, if now

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Speaker 1: something about the trial? Is that grounds for dismissive? You

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Speaker 1: look at the phone and Google searchers are as well. Yes, Wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: so all that drama.

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Speaker 2: I know you if anyone asked you to hand over

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Speaker 2: your phone, you'd say and goodbye, I'm out.

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Speaker 4: Alternate number two, Come on, up year.

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Speaker 1: I had things to do next week anyway, But he's uh,

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Speaker 1: he's out. The that question about this is a very

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Speaker 1: diverse I don't have it in front of me. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but they did say this is a very diverse jury.

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Speaker 1: But still, you just swapped out one black nineties hip

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Speaker 1: hop New Yorker for a white, fifty six year old

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Speaker 4: Very different perspectives potentially on life.

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Speaker 1: And so you see why the defense might have been

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Speaker 4: That is certainly why.

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Speaker 2: All right, so before we get into the testimony that's

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Speaker 2: going on today, or do we want to do that first,

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Speaker 2: because I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, and do you Kanye?

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to.

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Speaker 1: Get to go ahead?

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Speaker 3: Do you Kanye?

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Speaker 4: Because what was that on Friday? Huge? Upward?

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Speaker 2: The press starts racing and running and chasing because all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, in walks Kanye West or I guess.

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Speaker 4: We're only supposed to call him yae.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is correct now.

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Speaker 2: Dressed in all white yep walking into that courtroom to

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Speaker 2: support his friend Diddy. But he kind of had to

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Speaker 2: do a walk of shame on the way back right.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't in there that long, anywhere from thirty to

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Speaker 1: forty minutes perhaps, But we've talked about here. You're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to just walk into the courtroom. You can't even

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Speaker 1: You have to get on a list actually to do so.

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Speaker 1: So obviously he didn't get there early.

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Speaker 2: He didn't wait in line. He did, yea, he didn't

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Speaker 1: But he went in from the reports intide the courthouse,

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Speaker 1: he went to the overflow room, stayed only for a

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Speaker 1: only supported his friend for thirty forty minutes, but didn't

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Speaker 4: Fairly certain he was looking for the photo.

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Speaker 2: Op of supporting his own Oh stop, I mean no,

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Speaker 2: but that's a show of support. You show up to

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Speaker 2: have your photo taken here. I am supporting Ditty. It

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Speaker 1: The trial to that point. Now, that isn't I didn't

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Speaker 1: think you're thinking like a pr person. We should know this,

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Speaker 1: But yes, it is a public show of support, even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't have to say one word to Ditty.

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Speaker 2: He didn't have to say anything to the cameras, just

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Speaker 2: his mere presence there. And he walked in with one

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Speaker 2: of Ditty's sons, I believe so clearly, with the family

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Speaker 2: walking in, he probably I don't even know if he

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Speaker 4: It was just I'm going to be here. I'll stay

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Speaker 4: for long enough.

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Speaker 2: Some people will think I absorbed some of what happened,

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Speaker 2: and then I'll walk out.

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Speaker 1: Thirty minutes, though, bro, you gotta give me more than thirty.

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Speaker 4: He got the gist of it. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: You can't go to a Broadway show and see thirty

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Speaker 1: I got the.

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Speaker 4: Gist that was good enough, and it was a show.

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Speaker 2: The political theater that was going on there certainly was incredible,

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Speaker 2: because we heard from Jonathan Perez, who was the assistant

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Speaker 2: to Ditty for the three years that led right up

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Speaker 2: to his arrest, so he's certainly had to take again.

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Speaker 4: He was given an immunity.

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Speaker 1: Deal as well, so a lot of that going around.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's kind of like on repeat, and I never

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Speaker 2: know quite how to phrase it. He took an immunity deal,

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Speaker 2: is that.

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Speaker 1: They had to give him one. What's the Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: been granted. Immunity is the way to do it, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them have to because they were buying drugs,

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Speaker 1: transporting drugs, and doing things. So the government wants their testimony.

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Speaker 4: They need is ironic or at least it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: They need the employees to admit that they committed illegal

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Speaker 2: acts on behalf of didty in order to prove what

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Speaker 2: they're trying to say, did he did, which is racketeering,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And so they have to damn themselves, so

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Speaker 1: It's weird to think that we are still learning. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was another thing that jumped out, do you catch

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was different eras of their stress parties, and

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Speaker 2: that way they could remember, all right, if we call

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Speaker 2: them this, that's with her.

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Speaker 4: If we call them the other, it's with the other.

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Speaker 3: Hotel nights has just a much.

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Speaker 4: Better ring to freakoffs are scary hotel nights. Hotel nights

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Speaker 1: Well, listen to the fun at this hotel night. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: he extra details you mentioned. He said there were times

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Speaker 1: he would set up an IVY for the women to

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Speaker 4: Think about that.

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Speaker 3: That you need fluids, you need.

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Speaker 2: To be you need ivy fluids after going for that

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Speaker 1: All this is that's the first time I've heard this detail.

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Speaker 1: But of all the details we've heard in all of

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Speaker 3: You'd have to have an ivy.

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Speaker 2: Sense, doesn't It also lend itself to that thinks about

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Speaker 2: you think about physical abuse, and I know people do this.

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Speaker 4: When they have a hard night of partying. They'll go

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Speaker 2: But that's like self imposed, you know, just bad behavior, right,

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Speaker 2: You're just dealing with the consequences of your choices. But

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Speaker 3: You helping your victim recover, I'm sure is how.

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Speaker 4: The prosecutor that they can keep being victimized.

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Speaker 1: Is how the prosecution is trying to frame all this.

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Speaker 1: He did say, Jane, who was on the stand, I

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Speaker 1: what last week, Yes said, never saw her at any point, hesitant, unhappy,

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Speaker 1: anything other than enthusiastic to participate. Now, that could mean

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Speaker 2: And then what was this about tom Ford shorts that

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Speaker 4: She liked them.

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Speaker 1: He provided tom Ford shorts for her. She always made

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Speaker 1: for them. Now, she can always argue that's the stuff

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Speaker 1: she was trying to do to make Diddy happy. But

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Speaker 1: the defense will see that as look at her. She

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was getting all the glam squad business going

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Speaker 2: just to participate and to perform, so to speak, in

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Speaker 2: these freak offs. That. Of course, the defense says she

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Speaker 4: He also talked about how he would.

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Speaker 2: Go and get cocaine, molly xanax for Ditty, So he

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, these guys committing crimes, they absolulutely are.

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Speaker 1: And there you know we look, this is not somebody

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Speaker 1: who is we talk about being Look, we've heard people

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Speaker 1: is a guy who's suffering a different type of humiliation.

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Speaker 1: Almost he's had to get on the stand and under

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Speaker 1: oath admit that he was literally committing crimes on a

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Speaker 3: That's got to be.

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Speaker 1: It's a different type of humiliation they deal with right now.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know that we got his salary. I

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Speaker 4: don't remember it.

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Speaker 2: But every single other assistant who had to do almost

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Speaker 2: will they testify that they had to do almost very

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Speaker 2: similar menial tasks and illegal tax tasks got paid between

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Speaker 2: like fifty sixty five thousand dollars. So it's not like

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Speaker 4: Of them behind bars.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting that they did it for so little money,

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Speaker 1: I also mentioned sometimes I get a two hour to

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Speaker 1: a two day notice to set up for these free calls.

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Speaker 3: Is that not everything.

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Speaker 1: They had to have everything in the room to where

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Speaker 1: four eight hours, So every bit of food, water, snags, drugs,

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Speaker 4: That's insane.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine going away for two days, having people

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Speaker 2: according to the testimony, commit illegal acts to make this

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Speaker 2: all work. That's like crazy. And this wasn't a one off.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't once a year on special occasions. We're talking

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Speaker 2: sometimes once or twice a week, according to people who

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Speaker 2: have been testifying. I don't know how anyone has that

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Speaker 1: Kind of stamina.

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Speaker 2: Even still, Yeah, let's talk about what's in the Gucci bag.

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Speaker 2: So there was a Gucci bag, and there were some

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Speaker 2: mustas that the Gucci bag had to be stocked with cash, cocaine, ketamine, adderall, xanax,

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Speaker 2: and molly my god, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: I travel with advil and chapstick. Those are my must have.

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Speaker 4: You know what kind of the same for me? That's

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Speaker 4: kind of it.

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Speaker 2: I need some Adville every now and then I might

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Speaker 2: I might want some melatonin, clariton, clariton. Okay, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: that's our big medicine bag.

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Speaker 3: Wow, very small bag.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's not in a Gucci bag either.

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Speaker 1: Would you carry our little nothing in a Gucci bag

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Speaker 1: is just remarkable. Now, this is I'm smiling here now.

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Speaker 1: And he Jonathan told gave this detail, but he was

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Speaker 1: going through a lot of text messages that've been going

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Speaker 1: hearing so much about we need to give an update

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Speaker 1: on here in just a second. But he was going

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Speaker 1: baby oil twice. Yeah, that he said he actually fell

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Speaker 1: slipping around on baby oil. That's just you know, you

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Speaker 1: got a little comic relief. We gotta take take them

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Speaker 1: one week and get them. But that's another little well.

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Speaker 2: And with what's been going on today, so it's it

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Speaker 2: for the prosecution who was going through meticulously some of

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Speaker 2: and some of the conversation between KK this is again

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Speaker 2: Comb's chief of staff, and different assistants or even some

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Speaker 3: I'm looking what is it? Remind me Korum? What's her

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Speaker 1: Uh? KK, Christina Korum, Christina Korum that we've heard so

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Speaker 1: she will not be called by the prosecution at least

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Speaker 1: to testify. They've kind of framed her in a lot

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Speaker 1: of this as a co conspirator in this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So many of these texts met she was aware, she knew,

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Speaker 1: she helped set up, she was aware of the violence,

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Speaker 1: she was aware of everything.

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Speaker 3: But they don't want to call her.

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting to me because these texts are fascinating.

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Speaker 4: One of them, so you mentioned kind of the lighthearted jokes.

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Speaker 2: COM's assistant Ryan Lopez, texted KK, this is in December

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Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen. I think I saw one of the

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Speaker 2: cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby like

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Speaker 2: an escort. I forgot to tell you about KK. Writes

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Speaker 2: back with four laughing face emojis. By the way, how

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Speaker 2: long is he going to stay awake? Lopez says, lol,

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing until tomorrow night. So they're back and forth

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Speaker 1: Why did you just go right past the cowboys and okay?

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I was going to say, we need to

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Speaker 2: discuss because that was also something that came up in

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Speaker 2: testimony today and from the text messages that yes did.

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Speaker 2: He apparently frequently used this escort service called cowboys and

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Speaker 2: Cowboys for Angels. It means, if you're an angel, we've

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Speaker 2: got a cowboy for you. Oh cowboys for angel?

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, sorry, gotcha?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, yeah, that was that was a fun little

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Speaker 1: That's what they meant by I bet you could spot

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I was like, should I explain that now or should

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Speaker 2: I wait until after I reference the text exchange. But

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Speaker 2: it's just interesting how they were joking around the everybody.

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Speaker 4: Knew Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Everybody office buzz water cooler talking bad boy. Yes, everybody

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Speaker 3: What was going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there are very specific texts between Diddy and

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Speaker 2: between KK. Where did he apparently texts exactly that he

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Speaker 2: wants fifteen pills of Molly from KK and then telling

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Speaker 2: her not to text more about it? So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is really irrefutable evidence that the jury was hearing

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Speaker 1: You bring us now to another point about KK. Here,

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Speaker 1: there was an incident with this video that Jonathan talked about.

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Speaker 1: He was at Ditty's home and he said he was

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Speaker 1: And the person screaming in the next room was a

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Speaker 1: and KK tells him next time, don't report it to Diddy,

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Speaker 1: just bring it to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She managed, she managed everything. She was managing Cassie Ventura

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Speaker 2: just that to her. And so KK is literally trying

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Speaker 2: to just massage everything to make everything better, saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why Diddy's acting out. You need to

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Speaker 2: stay focused on your career. I'll try to handle it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's irrefutable when you look at.

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Speaker 1: These texts, seemingly aware of everything. So we were talking earlier,

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Speaker 1: so why wouldn't they call her if she's aware.

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Speaker 3: Of all this Stuff's interesting, like they put her up there.

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Speaker 3: She's not gonna admit to all this stuff, is she?

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Speaker 3: Because this.

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Speaker 4: Take the fifth?

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Speaker 1: They say all of these are crimes that she's a

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Speaker 1: part of, So she would get up there and just

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Speaker 1: plead the fifth all day long. Can't give her immunity

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Speaker 1: because they are already accusing her of essentially committing crimes.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do with her? The defense is

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Speaker 1: not going to go They can't call it.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine they would want to call her because.

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Speaker 3: Then the prosecution gets to have their way with her.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and i'mus I'm curious if she will be facing

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Speaker 2: charges as well after this. They have not charged her yet,

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Speaker 2: we should point out. So it's fascinating and of course

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Speaker 2: we're just in terms of following this and trying to

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Speaker 2: interpret it. Obviously, neither one of us have legal degrees,

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Speaker 2: but we have covered plenty of court cases in our

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Speaker 2: decades of experience, and this is one like I have

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Speaker 2: never seen before in my life, in my career. And

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Speaker 2: so it remains to be seen what will happen with KK,

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Speaker 2: but I think we can feel pretty certain she will

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Speaker 2: not be taking the stand in this city trial.

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Speaker 1: We are expecting what five more witnesses are believe that

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Speaker 1: excuse me, prosecution says they're going to have help me

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Speaker 1: with who it's going to be a couple of summary

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Speaker 1: witnesses like the one up there kind of explaining the

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Speaker 1: text messages, one law enforcement agent and in Brendan Paul

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Speaker 1: that is named the Brendan Paul. Brendon Paul was a

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Speaker 1: former assistant as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we will keep you updated on all of

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Speaker 2: the latest developments from that courtroom in Lower Manhattan where

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Speaker 2: all eyes have been on it for.

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Speaker 4: Six weeks now. We thank you for listening

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Speaker 2: To us, and we hope you all have a wonderful

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Speaker 2: day