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Speaker 1: We got a lot to do today. Happy Monday, Ron Kratz.

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Speaker 1: AJ joining us soon. For those of you who cry

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Speaker 1: when AJ's not on, don't worry. He will join us soon.

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Speaker 1: I missed a lot on Friday. You guys had a

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Speaker 1: great show with Polar and JERROLI. I mean, there were

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Speaker 1: decisions made on qualifying offers, Fairbanks, enters the boldas a

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Speaker 1: free agent. I could have spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: talking about the Rocky situation. We'll try and get some

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Speaker 1: thoughts from AJ at some point on everything that he missed,

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Speaker 1: maybe during some breaks. But for me, Kratz saw the

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Speaker 1: headline initially and I'm like, Rockies did it. They finally

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Speaker 1: went outside the org and they're bringing someone in who's

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Speaker 1: more analytical and tech oriented. And then I was like,

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Speaker 1: they're bringing someone who's been out of the game for

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Speaker 1: ten years and is a part of top three dumpster

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Speaker 2: At least it's ten years at least now. Yes, he

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Speaker 2: still has relevant information the Rockies don't have yet. So

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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 1: From twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know say the game was strange? They

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Speaker 2: still they're still back before twenty fifteen, So this is

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I tried to spin a good light on it. This

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Speaker 2: wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: The best comment I saw when that first came out

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Speaker 1: was someone who was going through how many years behind

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Speaker 1: they are, and they were like, oh, just wait till

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Speaker 1: they get to twenty seventeen and discover Apple Watches.

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Speaker 3: I lost it.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll mix in some news from last week. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot to get to from the weekend, so

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Speaker 1: let us charge charge beeds are coming in hot. Manuel

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Speaker 1: Classe and Luis Ortiz have not played ball for a

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Speaker 1: while while this investigation was going on, and now it

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Speaker 1: all comes out in droves over the weekend. They're indicted.

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Speaker 1: They're facing up to sixty five years in federal prison

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Speaker 1: if convicted on all charges to rig bets on individual pitches.

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Speaker 1: Thrown charges include wire fraud conspiracy, honest services wire fraud conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to influence sports sporting contests by bribery, and money

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Speaker 1: laundering conspiracy. Both of them, through their legal representation, said

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Speaker 1: they're totally innocent and they've done nothing wrong. They do

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Speaker 1: get to go through the court process. Luis Ortiz seemed

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Speaker 1: like he opted on board way later. According to these allegations.

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Speaker 1: Man class A has been involved with a lot of

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Speaker 1: crap here for a while. If you're going off what's happening,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't make that much money off it, especially

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Speaker 1: class A who's making millions of dollars every year. But

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Speaker 1: it gets really specific and detailed with class A and

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Speaker 1: friends and phone calls and being around people and giving

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Speaker 1: them money to place bets on individual pitches. Right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw this pitch. I'm going to throw

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Speaker 1: a ball. I'm going to throw a pitch above or

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Speaker 1: below a certain miles per hour. Those are all things

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Speaker 1: that his buddies or his whatever you want to call

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Speaker 1: them colleagues in this scheme we're placing money on and

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Speaker 1: winning money on. Except for one situation where Andy pais

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Speaker 1: so down in the dirt. Your thoughts on how crazy

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Speaker 1: the details are here?

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Speaker 2: The details are like I can't like, I can't get

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Speaker 2: away from the details. The details are so like specific.

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Speaker 2: He called somebody or he conversated with him for like

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he was warming up, but he was,

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Speaker 2: Like I guess he knew he was going in the game.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact timeline, and then he sent

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Speaker 2: texts and sure enough the bet hits. The details are

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Speaker 2: crazy to me because as a player, I knew nothing

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Speaker 2: didn't even know about this. I didn't know that this

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Speaker 2: why is he Why is he doing this? I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we'll get to it later, but why is he doing this?

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Speaker 2: Why did he feel like did he feel like his

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Speaker 1: Oh but AJ, there's too much temptation. There's too much

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Speaker 1: temptation here. What's up has it going? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: got to give him some credit here. There's so much

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Speaker 1: temptation thrown his way. What are you kidding me? Temptation,

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Speaker 1: temptation in the world for everyone, And we say no,

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Speaker 1: I can deal drugs, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: You don't, You don't, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Why because you're get in trouble for you?

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Speaker 4: Sure? Are you sure?

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Speaker 1: EDC?

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Speaker 4: Was this week with that? Hey? EDC was this weekend? Scott,

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Speaker 4: are you sure you don't die?

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Speaker 1: I didn't go. I didn't go. But yes, so there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of temptations. You could do things illegally

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Speaker 1: for business. But if you do, yes, there are ramifications.

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Speaker 1: Are we supposed to feel bad because betting is legal

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Speaker 1: and they regulate it, and so now they're able to

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Speaker 1: why is everybody? Why is there massive amounts of money

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Speaker 4: No, I'm happy. Listen. I had a whole thing this

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Speaker 4: past weekend where I was talking to people and they

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Speaker 4: were like, I don't understand this whole betting thing. And

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Speaker 4: I said, you know what the problem is. It's regulated now.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't regulated before. Now it's regulated. Before it was

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Speaker 4: just with bookies. When Pete Rose was betting on baseball,

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Speaker 4: we had to count on the bookie getting caught. Now

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Speaker 4: it's regulated so they can see that. Oh wow, all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, fifty grand was bet on Class eight

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Speaker 4: throwing a pitch that bounced three feet in front of

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Speaker 4: the plate, or Teas threw a pitch that bounced seven

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Speaker 4: feet in front of the plate, and god forbid Andy

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Speaker 4: Payes swing at one because he swung on one. And

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Speaker 4: then we get the sad puppy face where it's like.

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Speaker 1: All in the details?

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Speaker 4: Am I not right?

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Speaker 1: How many details there were? How reckless this was? At

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Speaker 1: least again, I get it allegations, but the Feds have

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Speaker 1: been working on this for a while. Were you shocked

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Speaker 1: at how much they found with class A, specifically putting

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Speaker 4: Him, Yes, because then he brought another guy in with him.

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Speaker 4: But what I don't understand his class A was in

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Speaker 4: line to make ten million dollars, twelve million dollars, he

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Speaker 4: was in line to make thirty forty million dollars, and

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Speaker 4: he did not. He wanted five grand quick, like dude, Like,

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Speaker 4: there's other ways to make five grand quick. Do a

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Speaker 4: signing a manual cost. I could do a signing, He'd be.

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Speaker 1: Fine, right, can't just tell your agent, Hey, I want

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Speaker 1: to do some extra signings locally. Find some spots where

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Speaker 1: I pop up. I need a little bit of extra cash.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I just want to make sure this

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Speaker 1: is clear. Luis Ortiz not poor on the contract, but

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Speaker 1: you know, early on in his career making league minimum

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Speaker 4: Many people you're yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to emphasize, dude, class A, it's

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Speaker 1: making so much money in life term. It was.

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Speaker 4: In line to make fifty million, fifty million dollars, like

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Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year for years coming up, for

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Speaker 4: multiple years. He did this for five thousand dollars five.

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Speaker 1: Grand, Yeah, I think twelve technically right, it was a

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Speaker 1: five and then a seven piece or something. And in

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Speaker 1: my mind, yeah, we don't have by the details, I

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Speaker 1: could see class A potentially making more on this so

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Speaker 1: far based on all of the allegations that I've seen.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's been some money trails that weren't caught, but

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Speaker 1: either way, nothing close to it making sense for him

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Speaker 1: to put his entire career and to put his life

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Speaker 1: from a criminal standpoint on the line. I mean, up

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Speaker 1: get that? Probably not. Are they going to ever play

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: It is going to take some hell of a turnaround

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Speaker 1: case here to convince everyone that you weren't involved in this.

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Speaker 1: So now I mean we'll go back to the case

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Speaker 1: and everything too. Hey, the Cleveland Guardians had themselves one

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Speaker 1: of the cheaper top closers in baseball for a while.

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Speaker 1: They did okay without him towards the end of last season,

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Speaker 2: And it's and obviously this is you know, we're assuming

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Speaker 2: he's guilty based on the facts. This isn't major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball doing the investigation. This was a federal investigation. Based

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Speaker 2: And that's where my you know, that's where my opinion

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Speaker 2: comes from when I say this. Manuel Class was also

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like maybe all of his decisions are

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Speaker 4: Dude, you can't compare steroids in gambling because steroids decisions.

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Speaker 4: But forget decisions, decisions. Yes, But we talked about this

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, if I look back on

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Speaker 4: would you not do him? If you're going to get

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Speaker 4: a one hundred million dollars two hundred million dollar contract. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I have to give up five million dollars, but I'm

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Speaker 4: still making one hundred ninety five million, okay, And no

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Speaker 4: one remembers, like, I'm not going to the Hall of Fame, right,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. So, like that's not lump steroids and

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Speaker 4: gambling and the same thing, because gambling is on a

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Speaker 4: whole different level that affects absolutely the integrity of the game.

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Speaker 4: Although any take your integrity and watch me swing at

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Speaker 4: this ball in the dirt.

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Speaker 1: He's just saying he's made some wrong decisions. And also, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean back in the day, there were really no

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Speaker 1: repercussions for Royd's. Now there are. It's tested, you get caught,

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Speaker 1: you get banned, free specific amount of games. Zach Maizel

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Speaker 1: and The Athletic wrote in his story on this about

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Speaker 1: a specific detail, for example, and Crats alluded to this

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Speaker 1: somewhat April twenty six, three sixteen pm. Just before he

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Speaker 1: Then they have a two minute phone call, which is

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Speaker 1: against MLB rules. You're not allowed to do that during games. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Four minutes later, a group of betters win eleven grand

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Speaker 1: wagering a particular pitch by class would register at slower

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Speaker 1: And then he hung out with those people after the game.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean that is that is reckless. That

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Speaker 4: How do you know this? How do you know this?

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Speaker 4: That's what I want to know. You're like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: But but my thing is like, you're like, I'm just

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Speaker 1: honcho Paul Taboni says, f the rules, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Michael Johns, the Race first base coach the past two seasons,

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Speaker 1: AJ is that the right choice?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Without knowing the person, is that the right choice? Or

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Speaker 4: Why not? He managed a Raised Triple A club in

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Speaker 4: twenty thirteen. Sure, anyone wants to be part of the Rays?

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Speaker 1: That's why Paul Taboni is smart, because he's going to

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Speaker 1: So I think it's actually smart on his part. I

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Speaker 1: I just think it's going to take time. You see

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Speaker 1: And some of those signings were more Peter Sidler, you know,

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Speaker 4: This is? This ranks right up there with Jerry Kross.

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Speaker 4: I am in basketball? I mean, yes, you know what, Scott,

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Speaker 1: World Series. Yamamoto obviously otan right, like clearly aj we're

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Speaker 1: getting talent over from Japan that is showing us maybe

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Speaker 1: more success than ever. Aside from just those two superstars,

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of talented players in Japan right now

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Speaker 1: that are coming over and having instant success.

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Speaker 4: All Right, we'll see him.

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Speaker 1: You think they're all going to sign.

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Speaker 4: In La not Mark.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to sign Murakamie. I know you guys

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Speaker 1: talked abou him a little Friday. We're gonna do a

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Speaker 1: lot more on him. He's not gonna sign with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he is.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, what am I am I? How do

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Speaker 4: you say? Am I?

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Speaker 1: My?

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Speaker 4: Am I going to sign with the Dodgers? And are

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Speaker 4: you going to sign with the Dodgers? I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I think he's got to shoot Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and seventy two strikeouts in one hundred

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Speaker 2: and four innings. That's what he had this past year.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred million dollars. I think he might get close

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Speaker 1: to two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: He's not as refined, he's not as refined command wise

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Speaker 2: as Yoshinobu Yamamoto. But but but it keeps getting better, right,

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Speaker 2: Can they continue his trend of throwing more strikes? We'll see.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get a lot of money. He's a little

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Speaker 1: older coming into free agency than Yamamoto is. I think

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Speaker 1: support FT. There's some beef about awards, so let's show

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Speaker 1: at least one of these tweets and then we'll get

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Speaker 1: the other in there. We have time, otherwise we can

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Speaker 1: put it in and another one of these breaks. First one

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Speaker 1: is from Lumerloni. He said the Platinum Glove is decided

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Speaker 1: by the fans, not ten percent, so then coaches, players,

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Speaker 1: front offices can really pick the winners. There's no way

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Speaker 1: any postseason award in any sports should be decided by

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Speaker 1: a fan vote. I had no idea people take these

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Speaker 1: awards series. Apparently MLB doesn't, so there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of outrage online. Tatista won Platinum Glove in the National

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Speaker 1: League and there's like a ton of players from most

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Speaker 1: Metrics above him A ton in the National League.

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Speaker 4: Is this true?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Lo's tweeting about it, he's pretty dialed in.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't pay attention a lot to the

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Speaker 1: process for those I'm very dialed in on BBWAA, which

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Speaker 1: are the real major awards out there.

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Speaker 4: But what do you mean they crushed the gold Gloves.

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Speaker 4: They put them on a Sunday night. Well, Sunday night

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Speaker 4: football is going on. Nobody even knew that they were

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Speaker 4: given out. And they did the same thing with the

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Speaker 4: Silver Sluggers, which I guess isn't that big of a

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Speaker 4: deal for slugger or rawlings, But yeah, I didn't even know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is I like the better when the

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Speaker 4: coaches got to vote on all this stuff and now

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Speaker 4: it's kind of been given to the fans and front offices,

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Speaker 4: and I mean, come on, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Fan vote for awards is tough, all star, I get it. Awards,

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Speaker 1: that's tough. Fans are going to often treat things like

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Speaker 1: a popularity contest, which is their right. Why are they

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Speaker 1: If you're a Padres fan and they do a great

514
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Speaker 1: job voting, they're all going to vote for tatis are

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, I look, I crunch the numbers and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Bailey actually deserves it. How many fans are going

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Speaker 1: to do that if they're a Padres fan, No chance,

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Speaker 1: no chance.

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Speaker 2: It demeans a little bit of the Platinum Glove, and

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Speaker 2: I think the other years the Platinum Glove was did

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Speaker 2: go to the highest rated defender based on a couple

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Speaker 2: of different metrics. So the fan voting, I'm reading it here,

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Speaker 2: it's his fans and the Society of American Baseball Research

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Speaker 2: vote for the Platinum Platinum Glove award. It's a combination

525
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Speaker 2: of fan voting and Saber metrics, essentially Saber Defensive Index

526
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Speaker 2: determining the winner for each league. I think they got

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Speaker 2: it wrong this year, but I mean it doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that Fernando Tatist didn't have a good year. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Eric Longenhagen is here. Fangraft's lead prospect analyst put out

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Speaker 1: a really good article about a week and a half

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Speaker 1: ago documenting what we should expect from some of the

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Speaker 1: players coming over from Japan in this free agent process. Eric,

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Speaker 1: great to have you on. I'm going to focus really

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Speaker 1: on two players during this conversation. Let us begin with

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Speaker 1: Munataki Munataka Murakami, and the reason I want to bring

536
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Speaker 1: him up first is because he's a big deal out

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Speaker 1: in Japan. He's got the home run record set in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two fifty six homers. Yet if you look

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Speaker 1: online there are a lot of very smart analysts and

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Speaker 1: writers who think that he might end up being the

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Speaker 1: next Joey Gallo in Major League Baseball with a nine

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Speaker 1: figure contract. Let's just go right to the good stuff.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Mura Khami?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank first of all, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, guys.

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Speaker 5: I think if he ends up having a career similar

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Speaker 5: to Joby Gallo, that you call that a win, Like

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Speaker 5: a guy who.

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Speaker 3: Has three forty homer seasons in the big.

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Speaker 5: Leagues would be a pretty good outcome for someone who

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Speaker 5: is swinging and missing as much as Murakami has been,

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Speaker 5: you know, left into power like this is so rare

553
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Speaker 5: and special and you can swing it and miss a lot,

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Speaker 5: and as long as you're getting to your power, you're

555
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Speaker 5: a productive and you know, sometimes exceptional big leaguer. But

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Speaker 5: the list of players whose contact metrics are more in

557
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Speaker 5: lockstep with Murakami's, you know, in the big leagues over

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Speaker 5: the last however, you want to break it up five years,

559
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Speaker 5: ten years, you want like a big enough sample of

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Speaker 5: guys who have had a fairly long career, but but

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Speaker 5: they're you know, quad A type players some of the

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Speaker 5: time they're players who once they start getting expensive, they

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Speaker 5: go to Japan. They're players who you know, once they

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Speaker 5: hit are four, five six, they maybe get non tendered.

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Speaker 5: Your Fran mil Ray is is you know.

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Speaker 3: Players like that?

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Speaker 5: So that's what you know we're looking at with Murakami

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Speaker 5: where there's so much swing and miss as you get

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Speaker 5: into the splits, like some of the splits that I

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Speaker 5: would be looking at for players coming over from career

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Speaker 5: or Japan to see how they perform against better velocity,

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Speaker 5: to see how you know they do, you know, Chase Chase,

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Speaker 5: watch from a play this standpoint or uh splits against

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Speaker 5: different specific secondary pitch types. It all gets a little

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Speaker 5: worse and worse the further you get away from Murakami's

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Speaker 5: peak couple of seasons, which are now like three years

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Speaker 5: in the rear view.

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Speaker 4: All right, So then that's the one thing I asked.

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Speaker 4: I've seen the stat out there where over ninety three

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Speaker 4: or something he was not good against ninety three and

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Speaker 4: plub and above. So how how worried should we be

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Speaker 4: about these metrics because you're talking about two or three

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Speaker 4: years ago when he was really great, but his numbers

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Speaker 4: have declined. All the other analytics have declined. So if

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Speaker 4: you're a big league team, why would you put you know,

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Speaker 4: a nine figure deal and a guy that might hit

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Speaker 4: you forty but he also might strike out thirty to

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Speaker 4: forty percent of the I'm and not hitching forty homers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, just to cite it specifically,

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Speaker 5: I'll do my Tony Kornheiser now where I look at

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Speaker 5: my notes so I get it right. But yeah, like

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Speaker 5: between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five. So this

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Speaker 5: is like a multi year sample which I wanted to

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Speaker 5: take with Murakami because he was He's been hurt a

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Speaker 5: bunch for the last twelve months. Twenty twenty four ended

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Speaker 5: with injury, he had multiple throughout twenty twenty five. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's a sixty four percent contact rate overall against fastball's

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Speaker 5: seventy one percent contact rate ninety three and above sixty

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Speaker 5: one percent contact rates, And just so like for context,

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Speaker 5: if I'm just looking at like the big league leader

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Speaker 5: board for the last handful of seasons, comparable players are

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Speaker 5: like Bobby Dolbeck and Miguel Sono and Luke Railey and

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Speaker 5: Christopher Morrell and players who are on the fringe, and.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, if you are a team that

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Speaker 3: has a lot of money such that.

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Speaker 5: You can risk it for your biscuit on this This

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Speaker 5: is not a guy who I would expect to actually

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Speaker 5: be in like the Mariners market, despite their needs, because

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Speaker 5: they just haven't behaved in a way that would indicate, sure,

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Speaker 5: we can throw one hundred million dollar contract at a

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Speaker 5: guy who might swing and miss too much to be

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Speaker 5: good for very long. But the Dodgers might do something

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Speaker 5: like that, or the Yankees might do something like that,

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Speaker 5: or the Red Sox, who'd argue did like a different

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Speaker 5: version of the same thing with Masataki Yoshida, except where

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Speaker 5: the power piece was just not there and the defense

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Speaker 5: piece was not there. You know, they've felt free to

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Speaker 5: do something, you know, greater than what most of the

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Speaker 5: industry thought was kosher. In Murakami's case, like you have

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Speaker 5: to a the injury piece of it could factor into,

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Speaker 5: you know, your optimism if he's going to get better.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's just health. And then the other thing is, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you have a player development department, and you show Munataka

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Speaker 5: Murakami to that group and maybe come away with some

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Speaker 5: preconceived notions about how you might make this guy better. Now,

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Speaker 5: how much better does he have to be? Like, ultimately,

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Speaker 5: you don't have to go far down this like swing

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Speaker 5: and miss leaderboard basically until you get to Tai Oscar Hernandez,

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Speaker 5: until you get to you know, Aaron Judge and Shoheo

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Speaker 5: Tani who swing and miss a lot. They're just making

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Speaker 5: such the quality of their contact and they make contact is

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Speaker 5: so good. And like Murra Kami is not that type

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Speaker 5: of physical beast like those guys. Ta Oscar is pretty

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Speaker 5: close in terms of like Murakami's physicality and hits left handed,

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Speaker 5: but it is like, you know, it's six percentage points

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Speaker 5: or so of like worth of contact rate just overall,

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Speaker 5: but it's like a ten percent bump for the contact

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Speaker 5: hitter Murakami has been to this point, which is like

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Speaker 5: pretty big. And I don't know how you guys feel

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Speaker 5: about it, Kratzy and aj like how much of hitting

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Speaker 5: is really innate and how much of it can be taught.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between learning how to hit

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Speaker 5: and being taught how to hit, And I think some

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Speaker 5: of the learning could just come with reps. There might

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Speaker 5: be a learning curve for anyone coming over from Japan

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Speaker 5: just because of the quality of stuff in the States,

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Speaker 5: but like there might be some swing maintenance that could

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Speaker 5: be done to make this a little bit more viable.

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Speaker 5: And even if you know, like the hitters I mentioned

650
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: Miguel Sono, et cetera, like there are peak seasons in

651
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: there that you still feel good about overall, Like if

652
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: you're a two war plus player, then you should be

653
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 5: making like twenty ish million a year anyway. Like, so

654
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 5: I think that he could get to be that, but

655
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: I think the whole subset of teams is just not

656
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 5: going to be in on this guy because of what

657
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: the price is going to be for the handful of

658
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 5: teams who think he's going to hit and maybe think

659
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 5: that he can play third base.

660
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: I talked to a prominent scout in the game, and

661
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: he said, twenty twenty two, the year you were talking about.

662
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: He said, it was elite level.

663
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: It was elite level.

664
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: It was high, it was velocity, it was low, it

665
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: was breaking balls, it was in and out. He was

666
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: covering everything. So to me, when you bring up somebody

667
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: like a Joey Gallo, like you know those types of things,

668
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: this is somebody who's done it at a high level.

669
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 2: So that value should still be there because it's not

670
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: like he's now on the wrong side of thirty Are

671
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: teams putting all this out there saying, Okay, well, you

672
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: know this is why we shouldn't pay for him, so

673
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: that they squash down this Japanese market for a hitter

674
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: who has power that we haven't seen out of Japan.

675
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: To me, the ceiling is super high. Besides the fact

676
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: that he might not be able to even play defense

677
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: in the big leagues. The ceiling is super high. He

678
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: just hasn't tapped into it the last few years.

679
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you could argue that.

680
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 5: I think the angle that you're shooting there where it's like,

681
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 5: what wouldn't team sources want to tell the media things

682
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 5: that suppress the player's value. Yeah, And in the same vein,

683
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 5: there are agents for these players who are telling members

684
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: of the media the opposite. You know, maybe they would

685
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: consider Tatsuya Emi to be the top pitcher on the

686
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 5: market if you're his agent, I bet you do. You

687
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 5: might like have a heavier comp on that guy. And

688
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 5: if you have a friend who likes to tweet and

689
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 5: has a lot of followers and like is maybe influential

690
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 5: in the industry, then yeah, maybe you would hit the

691
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 5: gas pedal a little bit as far as what you

692
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: think about, Like, there have been Japanese pictures who have

693
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: come over in the past where, you know, pretty transparently

694
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 5: like people before I basically got off social media, you

695
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 5: could see some of the comps being thrown around were

696
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: like the same clients for the agent of the Japanese

697
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: player that the writer was like comparing him to, Like

698
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: it's you know there, there's definitely some of that going on, cratzy.

699
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: This is my analysis. It's not my money to spend.

700
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: It's it's super easy to say, hey, like this guy's

701
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: got seven or eight raw so just give him whatever.

702
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 5: And like maybe you can teach him not to load

703
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 5: so deep, maybe he won't be underneath so many fastballs if.

704
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: He's a little shorter to the baseball.

705
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 5: But you know, that's more of a player development piece

706
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 5: rather than a scouting piece. And just from where I'm sitting, like,

707
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 5: there has to be either a rebound like you're talking about,

708
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 5: or a mechanical change, some positive player development for him

709
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: to be the sort of player who justifies, you know,

710
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 5: like an enormous, enormous contract. But I still like him

711
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 5: as a player, Like I still have him graded essentially

712
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 5: as like an average everyday player, not.

713
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: Some god like you know, forty Homer.

714
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 5: He's hitting two fifty plus with like, you know, a

715
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 5: three eighty OBP. Like that's not necessarily what I think

716
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 5: this guy's gonna be. I think it's gonna be frustrating.

717
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 5: And you know, the other thing to mention Eric is

718
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 5: like rookie Sasaki at one point was hey, he's done

719
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 5: this before, and this is how it looked.

720
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: And then it trended worse for a couple of years.

721
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 5: And I thought to myself, well, we've seen it in

722
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: there before, why wouldn't be able to be able to

723
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 5: see it in there again? And then he went to

724
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 5: the Dodgers, who are as good as developing players as anyone,

725
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 5: and there were real struggles, Like it wasn't just that

726
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 5: putting on that uniform was a panacea for his issues.

727
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: And so you know, I sort of have the same

728
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 5: point of view as Murkami is concerned.

729
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: Eric one more on this, and then I want to

730
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: make sure we get a few minutes on the other

731
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: name on Ami. How much does age factor into the

732
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: entire value of what we're talking about here? We almost

733
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: never have young free agents for baseball terms. Front offices

734
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: live and die off of projection models and age curves.

735
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: Some of this does have to do with the fact that, yes,

736
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: it's a lottery ticket, but he's twenty five years old.

737
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: You can get better at twenty five years old, and

738
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: you also can't find twenty five year old position players

739
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: with high upside on the market. So curious for your

740
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: take there, and if you can mix into the part

741
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: you said about mechanics, We've seen many guys adjust mechanically,

742
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: whether they're here at that age or from overseas. Again,

743
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just presenting the other side here

744
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: where we had like our pre production call and Crafts

745
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: was like they said this about say a Suzuki, and

746
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: he came over and he's been a pretty good player

747
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: in the big leagues.

748
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 3: Good.

749
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. I think that there's a

750
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: difference between the evaluation and the valuation, and his age

751
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: is a positive variable impacting the way you value that guy.

752
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 5: But the swing and miss stuff is still there, and

753
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: twenty five is twenty five.

754
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: It's not thirty.

755
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: And I agree that it's better for him to be

756
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: twenty five than for him to be twenty nine. But

757
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: the athlete we're talking about here is not a projectable athlete.

758
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 5: It's not like Jacob de Gram where he's just sorry,

759
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: the Hill's angels are my bodyguards.

760
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: It's not like good line that.

761
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 5: It's not like the their kids in my neighborhood are

762
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 5: tool around on their motorcycles.

763
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: I'm just jealous of the I'm not mad the.

764
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 5: Murkami's like maxed out, like he's twenty five, but he's

765
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 5: not really projectable in the way that some guys are

766
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: physically projectable deep into their twenties and and maybe even beyond.

767
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: This is like a stout, physically dense, like maxed out

768
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 5: guy where I don't necessarily see there being the sort

769
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 5: of like projection I was taught to include in my report,

770
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 5: like when I'm assessing someone's peak in the future, doesn't

771
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 5: really exist with this guy visually and athletically. It only

772
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: exists in his age as just a number. So that

773
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: is where a little bit of like my tepid enthusiasm

774
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 5: for that sort of comes in. But yeah, I think

775
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 5: he's a good player, just not like you know, there

776
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 5: will have to be changes. I think if if he's

777
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 5: going to be an absolute beast, Hey.

778
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: Jay, you there last one? Nope, not un to dude,

779
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: I think you're muted?

780
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 4: What he muted me? Scott? Am I? I want to know.

781
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: Am I going to the dog? Am? I going to

782
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: the dogs? But what's his projection he is? Can he

783
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: be a top end starter like Showdack came in his

784
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: first year was a huge deal. Or you have Roki

785
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: who didn't really do much till the postseason. Where does

786
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 4: a my stand on that?

787
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's really interesting. I think some of what you

788
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 5: guys alluded to before I hopped on where you mentioned

789
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: that his strike throwing has improved year over year for

790
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 5: like the last three four years, and that's true, But

791
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: I think some of what was at play with Roki

792
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 5: is definitely at play with Imai too, where when you

793
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 5: throw as hard as these guys do in Japan, they

794
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 5: just chase it more often, And I think some of

795
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 5: your strike throwing looks a little bit better because you're

796
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 5: gifted chase. And I think there's some of that going

797
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 5: on for Emai. But I really love him. Like the

798
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: durability piece of this, they really left these obviously, Like

799
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 5: the week to week schedule was different for Japanese starters

800
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: than big league starters. But the durability piece here, this

801
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 5: guy was like sitting in the mid nineties comfortably at

802
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: the very end of the season, and his fastball has

803
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 5: real ride. His slider's excellent. He's really athletic, Like this

804
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 5: is a really loose, whippy armed guy. He's deceptive because

805
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 5: of the arm speed piece. He does not show hitters

806
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 5: the ball until late. You know, you see him laying

807
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 5: back like and you know he's he's parallel with the ground.

808
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 5: So as an athlete, I really like him. His stuff

809
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 5: is great. He just sure looks like a starter to

810
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: me athletically and from a stuff standpoint, And I do

811
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 5: think that the command piece of it is more fine

812
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 5: than good. Definitely, you know, three three grades basically behind

813
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 5: where I had Yamamoto when he was coming over, where

814
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 5: Yamamoto was just like, you know, like I've had peak

815
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 5: granky cumps on Yamamoto basically coming over he might, I think,

816
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: is gonna be a good team's like third starter, Like

817
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: he does strike me as the type of guy who

818
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 5: can take the ball as a starter in a playoff series.

819
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: That's how good he is.

820
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 5: Where the durability piece and this and the athleticism check

821
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 5: you know, those boxes pretty emphatically, and.

822
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: Then we'll see.

823
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 5: I think there's maybe some room for improvement for him

824
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 5: delivery wise. I don't know if you guys have seen

825
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 5: video of him, Like he's pretty short striding guy. I

826
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 5: think he's more athletic than that and could like maybe

827
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 5: stand to get down the mound a little bit more even,

828
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 5: and there might even be like some positive improvements for him,

829
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 5: I think once he comes comes over here, depending on

830
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 5: the org, but yeah, I think he's quite good and

831
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: it's going to get a big, big deal. You know,

832
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 5: Ben Clemens, who does our top fifty free agents over

833
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 5: at Fangrafts, has him stuff pretty good, and you know

834
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 5: I advise on that and more or less agreed with

835
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 5: where Ben's got him.

836
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my good picture.

837
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Eric, good stuff, Man, appreciate it. You can find much

838
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: more on this topic, of course on Fangraphs, and Eric

839
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: has a right up, including many others that we're asked

840
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: about in the chat. We just don't have time right now,

841
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: but other players coming through, maybe we'll bring him back. Eric,

842
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate it.

843
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 3: Man, talk to you know. I hope see you guys

844
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: the six.

845
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty five day drought is over. The have

846
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: turned their replies back on for a post that was

847
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: very coordinated. They said, from silver sluggerstall starts to Grand

848
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: Slams this season, that's some pretty electric highlights. Comment your

849
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: favorite home run our guys hit this year. Guess what

850
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: most of the replies were about the reason they turned

851
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: it off. Yeah, but also just like have some balls,

852
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: just leave it on. Who cares if people are criticizing

853
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: you a duh. Every organization is going to get praised

854
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: and criticized. This one's going to receive more of it.

855
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: So they've just stripped the city of a team. But

856
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: there were fans in there that were actually commenting, answering

857
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: the question. And yeah, you're going to get criticism because

858
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: you don't really address the problem and your owner is

859
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: a fool. It is what it is. It's crazy to

860
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: me that they went this long. That's like almost two

861
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: years where you can't reply to It's like why even

862
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: have the account?

863
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: It makes your connection if you watch, if you watch

864
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: anybody go to a video post anything, most people go

865
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: down to the comments unless you are specifically trained to

866
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: be like Nope, I don't recomment because they're negative or

867
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: whatever it is. People go right down to the comments.

868
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: This just inhibits so much fan engagement with your team,

869
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: which is so crazy to me, Like doesn't this team

870
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: want that? It almost to be from major League Baseball.

871
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also it makes people laugh. Best comment was

872
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: from a guy named Joe Martin Fisher's favorites where the

873
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: two are judge homers in his minor league ballpark.

874
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: That's good, good, great time. His own words. It was

875
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: his own words, like we're getting to laugh, John, You're

876
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: a funny guy. All the others say you're a funny guy,

877
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: Like we can get laughs. It's okay.

878
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: It's called social media.

879
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 4: True. By the way, the gap in Orlando shutdown. I

880
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: don't know what what Fisher's doing, but not only has

881
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: he moved the team from Oakland to Vegas, but the

882
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: gap closed in our mall, which I never thought I

883
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: would see.

884
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: The gap.

885
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 4: Who Fisher owns I guess.

886
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: Yes he does, perhaps selling it to stack up to

887
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: be able to pay for the ball.

888
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 4: The gap, like everybody used to go to the gap.

889
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: The Gap was the ship back in the day. The

890
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: Gap was the spot. No.

891
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: Apparently his name and face affiliated with the company does

892
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: not help the cause let's slap a lot of beef

893
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: today and we're gonna do a bonus few minutes on

894
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: YouTube before we send people to the Dodgers' Territory Live show.

895
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to hear from Jason Kelcey or

896
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: the beef with the Dodgers and Drake pick one.

897
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: Kelsey neither.

898
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 4: I was gonna say the Drake one seems more real.

899
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Let's do Kelsey here and then we'll do the Drake

900
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: one for after slap. We're gonna stamp baseball for what.

901
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 6: Listen, just because the Phillies didn't make it doesn't mean

902
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 6: the World Series wasn't absolutely epic. That was the awesome

903
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 6: seven games of baseball. Man, it was back and forth. Yeah,

904
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 6: both teams had their had their shining moments. Blue Jays

905
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 6: are up all game going into the eighth inning.

906
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: So you're telling me I'm supposed to get excited about

907
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 4: a Canadian baseball team and.

908
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 6: A team that just spends more money than everybody else

909
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 6: who cares about either. Both of them spend more money

910
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: than everybody's.

911
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: It's baseball.

912
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why baseball sucks.

913
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 6: That's why baseball, say he is buy World Series championships,

914
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 6: is the dumbest thing in the world. I was enjoyed

915
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 6: out of it.

916
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: It's exciting, it's exciting.

917
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: It's exciting that the team that spent the most money

918
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: and everybody knew was going to win the World Series

919
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: won the World Series.

920
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: Hmm, I don't watch this.

921
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: I didn't even want to justify this. I hope he

922
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: was kidding, because listen, I'll give Travis credit because he

923
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: stood up for the right thing. But the Chiefs, who

924
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 4: his brother plays for, goes to the Super Bowl every year, right,

925
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, the Chiefs, the Chiefs, and we

926
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: have a salary cap the Chiefs. It's all good. And

927
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: then the Eagles are the other team that wins. So

928
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: it's Chiefs and Eagles, the two teams these guys played for.

929
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: And then you go back and it was the Patriots

930
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: forever that won every Super Bowl. So what is he

931
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: talking about? He just he wanted us to talk about it.

932
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 4: We talked about it. Congratulations JAYC. Way to go. Woo

933
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 4: who you got your clickbait?

934
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: He said. He started it out, I say, do you

935
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: want me to cheer for a baseball team in Canada? Like,

936
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: come on, come on? And then he's and then they're

937
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: cutting in that out. There's funny satire there, good funny satire.

938
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: So don't take it as he hates baseball. He doesn't

939
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: hate baseball. There, he's on it, he gets it.

940
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: Travis crat though, Travis stood up. Travis did the right thing.

941
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: He stoo up because it was a great series. Whether

942
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 4: you want to reform or not, Jason, it was a

943
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: great world series cocing, So kudos to Travis.

944
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I don't follow either of them much. I

945
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: do know Jason's definitely got a little bit of comic

946
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: vibes to him, so I think he's just messing around.

947
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: I know he's a diehard Phillies fan, so he's probably

948
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: a little bit.

949
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 4: Shouldn't you be a Reds fan? SINCEI and his brother

950
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: from Cincinnati? Oh wait, you know they don't care about

951
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: that theah.

952
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Travis. Travis doesn't say. He doesn't say Cincinnati, University

953
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. He says New Heights High School?

954
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: Does he really?

955
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: Yes? Watch the watch their next you know when they

956
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: announce you know, Eric, big game tonight, Big game tonight

957
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: for the Philly Boys. Oh yeah, Eagles, Packers, go Birds.

958
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you gotta you gotta say the college

959
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: that you're from, because I was hanging out with somebody

960
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: last night who was from Cincinnati's like, I'm pissed. He

961
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: never says university is Cincinnati. He says it's high school.

962
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: Because I was laughing. I always liked that part of it.

963
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: Is Taylor Smift went, was thatver? Taylor Swift went, that's

964
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 4: what Travis.

965
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: Don't.

966
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: I don't know where else.

967
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: We'll show the Drake stuff after the show goes off

968
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: for TV. We have sixty seconds. Woodriff got a qualifying offer.

969
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: Giolito did not. And Oh, Trent Grisham, I know you

970
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: brought up the other day Kratz. I actually was kind

971
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: of surprised him. But I was surprised that he got

972
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: a qualifying offer. I know you said you thought.

973
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking it does.

974
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was surprised he got one. Woodriff. I

975
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: guess you could be surprised that it's the Brewers that

976
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: are offering it, but well, I mean they clearly think

977
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: that he is looking like an ace and they weren't

978
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: worried about.

979
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: The lat Yeah. And I think basically the qualifying offer

980
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: is a team that's okay having that player at essentially

981
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: twenty two million dollars. It's not quite twenty two, but

982
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: it's And so the Yankees are okay with having a

983
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: one year stop gap in center field with Trent Grisham.

984
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Right, we're back. We have the Drake clip, so we'll

985
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: go to that for the last few minutes of the

986
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: Bonus Show. Let's run it.

987
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 7: I tried to keep like, I tried to stay humble,

988
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 7: don't talk too much or but I.

989
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 3: Mean, that doesn't go nice. You know, like when you

990
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 3: do something like that, when.

991
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 7: You kind of like disrespect a little bit the best

992
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 7: player in the game, not understanding the quality of like

993
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 7: the person and and what the guy has done for baseball,

994
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 7: it's really hard to jump into conclusions at that time.

995
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 7: You know, we lose Game three, ja Savage through a

996
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 7: really good game and we're not doing anything else and

997
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 7: kind of like praise the guy because he pitched the ball.

998
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 7: He threw the ball really well, he pitched an amazing game.

999
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 7: He's a different pitcher, he's a unicorn on the pitching side.

1000
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, we.

1001
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 7: Got this guy right here, you know, like we all

1002
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 7: know who he is, but.

1003
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: You don't have to do that.

1004
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 7: Man, I show him, Danny, He's been doing everything and

1005
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 7: anything for baseball.

1006
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: So you know, Drake showed Otani striking out and said,

1007
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: savage already on the way to the dugout boss hellol

1008
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: Dodgers used it as bulletin board material and they had

1009
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of fun with it, I guess once they

1010
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: were celebrating, and also in the ballpark. Also, the Dodgers

1011
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: always played Kendrick Lamar's a little dis track that went

1012
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: uh platinum or whatever the heck they call it these days,

1013
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: they not like us so fun, beef cute. I think

1014
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: it's cute.

1015
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: Drake's from Drake's from the six, right, so he stood

1016
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: up for his team. There's a Drake curse forever, right,

1017
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: yea Drake, where's your jersey? Or in trouble? I mean,

1018
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: that's that's stakes I mean.

1019
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: But but also like he posted a picture of him

1020
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: striking out, did he was there something else that I missed? Like,

1021
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: that's pretty playful and fun.

1022
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: It's pretty awesome. He's a fan though, Yeah, why they

1023
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: unlike Jason? They unlike Jason, Unlike Jason Kelsey. I mean,

1024
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: Drake is a so good for him. He was rotten

1025
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 4: for his team. Right, he was watching.

1026
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: I give him just showing a strikeout is bad.

1027
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 4: That is a kind of an iconic photo though. There's

1028
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 4: just kind of an iconic photo of your tray Savage

1029
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 4: and the one where uh to hit the home bloody

1030
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 4: hit the home run, and he's like, I mean there's

1031
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 4: two two photos in the Blue Jays still lost, which

1032
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: is kind of funny. That's kind of more what they're saying.

1033
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: Two more things I want to do the guest list

1034
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: on our way out. But also the big debate in

1035
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: the chat today was best starting pitcher in the Dodgers rotation?

1036
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: Is it not Yamamoto in the power rankings right now?

1037
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: Pretty clearly? I mean people were talking about Otani. I

1038
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: guess maybe I don't know if anyone puts Sneller or

1039
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: last night out there, but Yamamoto.

1040
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 4: Easy, No, Yamamoto's all the way up. Nothing can stop them.

1041
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. Uh krats hats on the way out.

1042
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: And while you're getting that ready, Ken Rosenthal, Skip Schumacher

1043
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: and Tommy Kinley. On Wednesday tomorrow we have Jase Tingler

1044
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: and we will go over the al MVP debate with

1045
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Divish and Chris kirsh Or for the Mariners versus

1046
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: the Yankee side Krats.

1047
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: People forget they lost their two pitches that we talked

1048
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: about the top and the Guardians still made the playoffs.

1049
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: Bet MGM put this out on ig. How did they do?

1050
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: MLB Champs? Ranking the last ten? They have the twenty

1051
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: twenty four Dodgers one, the twenty seventeen Astros two, Oh boy,

1052
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen Cubs, three, the twenty twenty five Dodgers

1053
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty two Astros five, then the twenty

1054
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: eighteen Red Sox, twenty twenty Dodgers, twenty nineteen. That's twenty

1055
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: twenty one Braves and twenty twenty three Texas Rangers. I

1056
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: feel like the Astros is a whole other category. I mean,

1057
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: do you want to slice and dice anything else on here.

1058
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna let Crafts talk about their twenty seventeen

1059
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 4: Astros just because he seems like he would know more

1060
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: than I would about what happened there.

1061
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean it, I feel like MGM was maybe trying

1062
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: to get us to look at the list when you

1063
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: put the Astros that high. That twenty two Astros team,

1064
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: that was nice. The seventeen one. I think maybe maybe

1065
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: it's too soon, but Joe Girardi told us Joe Girardi

1066
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: told us get over it, get over it.

1067
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you can still rank them ten since

1068
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: they got in big trouble and you don't know what

1069
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: really happened, like, I.

1070
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: Mean there have to be ten. No, we know what happened. Ten.

1071
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 4: Actually we know what happened. There's no like we don't

1072
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: know what we know.

1073
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying what they would have been like if they

1074
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 1: didn't have that advantage. So here we go. I tried

1075
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: to get us away from them, and we just can't.

1076
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: That dominates the list, It dominates the comments. Anything else

1077
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: on there that stood out.

1078
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen Royals need to be much higher.

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Speaker 1: the last ten.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so we're Yeah, that's a from Krats.

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Speaker 1: We went from twenty sixteen on oh sixteen. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if we did a list on the top fifteen

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Speaker 1: or top twenty, yes we can put them higher.

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