WEBVTT - S3x Before the Internet (Ft. Sinnamon Love) 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:08.760 Guess what decision We're about to make A horrible decisions. Hey, 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.840 you a little sweet horse. Welcome to another episode of 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:18.200 Horrible Decision. Welcome y'all. I'm your girl adv a k A. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.759 Pitt the Stallion a k A. Pagan Marko a k A. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.479 Mandy Baskins a k A dead motherfucking bitch in the 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.720 motherfucker City. What's up, y'all, I'm Wheezy. Welcome back to 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:36.440 another episode today. Our guest is very legendary legend daddy. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.000 We have Cinnamon Love in the building. Ya. Do you 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.000 still go by Cinnamon Love for your sex ed work? Yeah? 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:44.879 I still go by Cinnamon Love. I mean, you know, 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.800 a bit trying to rebrand. I mean it's been twenty 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.720 nine years. I think the rebrand was adding the last 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.560 name Love, like eight years in. But I've been doing 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.440 the ship for twenty nine years, Like there is no rebrand. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.760 So I've known your name for a long time because 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.400 I mean, you're obviously such a well known adult film actress, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.959 but also most recently you work in sex education. What 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.400 do you do? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, um, so I've 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.679 been teaching people how to rethink their pleasure, and you know, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.880 I think a lot of people are super hyper focused 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.360 on on using porn as sex ed, but they forget 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.440 that what they're watching is they did it. It's not 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.759 a fake, like it's really Have you read that book 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.160 Your Brain on Porn? I have not read the book 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.560 Your Brain? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.080 but I know what you're talking about. Someone sentence to 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.360 me a shout out to Miko, and it's funny because 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.880 it's a dude I worked with, and I was like, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.200 this is weird. Does anythink I'm an addict? But it 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.800 was so interesting to read because it was just talking 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.720 about one of the things I mentioned a horrible lot, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.480 how much more we need when watching porn, And I 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.720 realized I do that, Like if I'm watching maybe too 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.440 like lesbians, just them, Suddenly I need them to be 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.520 more aggressive than I get into some weird porn ship. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.760 Then it's like boom boom boom. It just levels up 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.880 and my porn can't be normal anymore. Like watching gay 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.400 porn is why I like eating Nigga booty is so bad. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:16.480 I love eating because I don't chapter just because I don't, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.840 you know, I was filled with the pink dick so 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.520 it'd be like beautiful, my little brown chocolate starfish. But 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.240 I know it's because I've grown like more of a 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:30.560 fascination the male from watching gay porn and because like 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.960 they're also like masculine. I don't have those hangups of 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.480 of men not knowing how to clean. I'm also friends 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.040 with a lot of gay men. Like the idea that 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.480 straight men just don't know how to wipe as is 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.799 really odd to me because I deal with a lot 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.080 of super clean men, and so watching porn and seeing 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.200 them taking some big old dick, I don't know why. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.960 I fu niggas that takes showers and I love right, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.840 like like if I walk into your house and you're 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.680 your bathroom is filthy, I'm not gonna take my clothes 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:09.239 off the toilet the toilet like did you guys? Yes? 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.600 For the girls were sharing? Guy, Yes, here's the way 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.720 both thread and you know what, let me ask you, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.880 because you've been around the block, let me know, did 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:27.880 you mean that like it sounds because you know? So, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.800 let me ask you. Then, in dating and before having 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.440 sex with someone, if you do go to someone's house, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.200 what are things that you will see that will be like, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.120 you know what I'm not gonna I'm gonna love I'm 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:47.160 the hard towel in the bathroom, the hard towel, Oh 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.560 my god, you're like I know exactly what you're saying. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.960 You know what I'm talking about, Like like that hasn't 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.840 been washed, like you know what I mean, or or 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.400 not having towels, not having like hand soap in the bathroom, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.440 just a bar, just a bar, or having like three 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.480 and one, you know, like body wash, ample conditioner and 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.000 body wash. Yes. Actually, there was a guy that I 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.800 was seeing a couple a few years ago, and I 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.640 walked in his you know, like I walked in his 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.520 place and I was like, this is not gonna work 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.599 for me, and I and I left, and then he 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.640 hit me up and was like what what happened? And 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.960 I'm like, well, I'm a woman, and this is not clean, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.880 like like I'm not it's not even about being bougie, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.479 but it's like not comfortable. I'm not laying down in 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.479 your bed and taking my clothes off. If I have 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.760 to worry about whether or not I'm gonna you know, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.279 she's or even clean, but she's or even clean even clear? 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.039 Are they even clean? Like if you don't have you 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.440 don't have at least like you know, food in your fridge, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.640 Like how I need water after we have sex. I 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.480 don't think that like the things that I required from 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.200 a dude's house had to do a money when I 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.920 was younger, because I've had been very spoiled by good 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.560 products and things men would have, and like, honestly, it's 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.560 just not I don't like no, even if there was 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.640 one guy. There was an actor that I dated back 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.400 in the like very briefly, back in the nineties, and 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.240 he is the reason why I have the standards I 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.840 do now around cleanliness with men, because his house was 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.120 so fucking dirty, like I didn't see it when we 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:22.200 walked in because the no. And then it's like when 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.800 I got up to go to the bathroom after we 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.600 had sex, and I was like, where the funk am 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.040 I at? Like I couldn't even I couldn't even sleep, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.680 Like I literally started cleaning his apartment, not because I 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.160 wanted to, like train his not wasn't trying to be 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.839 shows Like I couldn't even like laid my head down on. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.400 I was like, And it was funny because his mom 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.360 came in in the morning, like she had a key, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:46.960 she came in in the morning and she was walking 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.240 like I was in the bathroom cleaning the bathroom because 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.440 I wanted to take a shower and I couldn't take 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.599 a shower, like there was like food curtains everywhere, and 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.200 it's like and she was so when she walked in, 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.040 she was like, there's a there's a there's been a 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.200 woman here, Like do you have a girlfriend? And I 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.599 was like, and that was a problem. That was a problem. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:10.560 But after being embarrassed her. That's also there's a difference 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.760 between filth and mess. Like I've definitely didn't mess you 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.560 guys where their laundry. I'll never get fold everywhere, but 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.599 like filth, filth is different. It was so filthy and 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.520 so because of that, I've never like at this Like 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.520 now I'm like I walk in and I say, okay, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.640 Like what am I looking for? Like is there is that? 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.160 Is it clean? First of all? Do you have bath products? 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.520 Are there clean towels? Is there water in the fridge 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.080 or at least a britt of filter like something, because 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.320 after we have sex, like I'm gonna want water, Like 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.480 you know, you shouldn't have to go make a run 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.560 to the bodega to get water after we fucked, Like, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.880 how am I supposed to like, you're you I New 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:56.680 York water. York water is good to be in the water. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.280 Yeah they got it from the water. No. No, like people, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.400 you know, people that their kids and now we got 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:09.360 polio people. I don't know why. This just made me 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.760 think of I'm like, so I was like a really 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.200 big hater before I watched it, The Little Baby Doc. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.720 I was like laughing about I saw people on Twitter 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.280 talking about like your niggas feeling inspired from the rappers 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.200 dog like you need to do man. But I watched 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.440 it and it was really well made, even talking about politics. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.840 Just the way it was filmed like phenomenal. But one 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.480 of the things I noticed that I thought was so 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.160 funny was how rich he is. How he they've talked about, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:34.960 how he's been rich forever, how he was a millionaire 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.640 before he was rapping. But his house a lot of 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:42.240 empty parts. I'm like, this is such a nigga's. Like 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.559 his closet phenomenal, the sneakers like everything, and it wasn't dirty. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.680 It was just empty rooms in this mansion. And it's like, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.360 obviously you can figure this out, but you know what 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.440 niggas don't do think of interior design. They know what 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.520 I'm saying. You like. Also, the best thing. I don't 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.520 know if you guys saw it, but he was going 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.840 to the grands with his son, and this to me, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.000 I love watching black kids live in luxury and understand wealth. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.240 So they're going down the stairs and they're dressed so 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.840 adorably and there's like a fountain underneath where the stairs 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.640 are and little baby drops his phone. He's like fun 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.560 and he's running to grab his phone and the sun goes. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:20.520 But don't worry, Dad, You're right. I was like, just on. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.480 But yeah, like really, it has nothing to do with money. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.640 You went to an actor's house. It was filthy. It's 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.680 just like again, niggas need to be elensated about Yeah, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.800 I mean, because if you have money like that, like 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.400 higher housekeeper. You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:37.880 have to live that way. It's you old to ask 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.480 grabb it on, get a coupon code. Now let's get 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.440 to what we really want to know about the house ship. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:47.480 So I I know about you from the era of 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.839 here were my personal favorites. Not saying youwheren't in there, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.920 but this was like women that I feel like I 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.160 remembered because they were top dogs. And then when you're 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.839 like looking at their ship, you find cinnamon love like 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.839 you were kind of in your own Lady Pinky had 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.040 her own kind of vibe. But then I feel like 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.240 Caprix styles, Lacies, we've all cinem in love. Was what 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:11.920 Cherokee Cherokee was like, because y'all had a similar body type. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.239 Lazy you write Cherokee to asked, was that Pinky likes sunny? 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.680 Naming like a bunch of people that I used to manage? 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.000 But go ahead, so you did you you did management? 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.000 I had a Yeah, I had a management company called 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.959 Urban I Candy Um. All of these people that you're naming, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.400 they came after I did, right, So I came into 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.640 the business. It was Lana San's Janet, jack Mee Wowy, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:39.920 Persia Um, Persia, Champagne, Pandavis like you know, those those 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:45.160 were the generation Jackie and Persia. Yeah, so Channing I 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.360 came in after after they did, and so and then 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.120 everybody else that you're like that, those early two thousand's 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.280 people came in after. Let's talk about age, can't we? 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.240 So you're forty eight, correct, Yeah, forty eight. So you 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:01.800 started in nine Wow. When I was nineteen, I was 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.439 the very first black kind of like girl next door 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.000 only because I like, I looked like I was a miner, right, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.280 So when I came in a lot most of the 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.120 women outside of like Lana Sands and Janet Jackie had 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.080 these like these late eighties early nineties horn star bodies, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:22.679 which were the big, huge hits, a little bit, no hips, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.600 no ass because that's what was selling on the feature market, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.959 and that's what the white men want to see, right, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.760 So when I came in, I looked like I was 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.040 scouted because I looked like I was barely legal. I 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.439 was like the very first barely legal black porn star. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.880 Was that something that you were okay knowing that this 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.960 was the fan untill I showed up and there was 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.600 a photo from my very first Hustler magazine shoot that 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.880 was that appeared in the movie Freeway with Reese Witherspoon. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.600 So for people who don't know, Freeway was to me 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.559 was her best ever, her best movie that she ever 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.920 movie Don't Fire. Now, I gotta go back a little. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.720 So there's a scene in the movie. So so for 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.160 the people who don't know it's like it's a red 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.959 riding Hood take, right, it's a modern red riding hood take. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.439 And there's a scene in the movie where um, they 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.240 go to the house to you know, to the killer's house, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.040 and they cut the lock on a shed in the 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.760 backyard and all this like child sexual exploitation material comes out. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.920 And I'm watching the movie on on on DVD, and 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.920 all of a sudden there's this there's this picture of 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.640 me that comes like this flying out of the and 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.360 I'm looking. I'm like wait what And I'm like so 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.920 I had to pause it and go back, and I'm like, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.959 they're using a picture of me for child pornographer, a 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.199 child sexual exploitation material. And I was like, oh, you know, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.160 we gotta do a rebrand. Like that was actually the 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.520 real when I rebranded, because I was like, this is 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.640 not okay. What does a rebrand look like for for 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.400 important for for something. So for me, like, you know, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.800 the porn industry doesn't have the same kind of like 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.680 branding and marketing for performers the way that the music 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.280 industr tree or the or film and television does. So, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.040 like if you think about like in music, you know 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.679 what you start, like your Brittany Christina Beyonce. You start 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.880 off as a teen and then as you get older, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.559 you get sexier. The the tops gets shorter, the skirts 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.280 get shorter, music gets a little dirty. So well, no, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.440 so I started off as a team, but then because 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.920 of the way the porn industry works, usually you age 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.960 out right, or it used to be that you would 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.080 age out. So for me, what I did was I 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:34.000 started shooting with companies that we're also shooting playmates because like, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.440 so a lot of people were some of those companies, um, well, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.120 like kink dot Com I shot four they were one 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.920 of the first. A lot of photographers that I worked with, like, um, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.080 I'm trying to think of who I worked with. There's 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:50.000 like Christine, Christine Cussler, um, Ashley Fontanae, Like there was 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.160 a bunch of people that I that were shooting glamour models. Um. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.280 Because the way that Playboy used to work is that 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.040 the playmates could do they could do glamour and they 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.720 could do kink, but they couldn't have on like uniforms 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.120 or costumes, okay, and they couldn't do hardcore porn. So 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.920 I could shoot louis like fetish companies and fetish photographers 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.040 because playmates would also be on the platform and then 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.000 that way their audience would also get to witness and 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.000 see me. So that for me, like shooting with these 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.120 kinds of photographers to you know, allow my character to 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.800 grow up, my on screen character to grow up and 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.800 represent myself the way that I see myself right, not 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.600 as you know, a cheerleader, you know, like whatever. Like 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.840 you know, this is like a different interesting to me 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.160 because we are in an era of only fans and 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.560 you know, to have a conversation with someone that's been 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.400 in the game so long and been able to keep 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:48.560 up a career in sex work, whether sex at anything, porn, like, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.120 it's really interesting to me. What do you think of 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.800 this era in terms of like how do they grow? 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.199 I love it. I love it so much. I mean, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.760 first off, there's nothing is there's nothing new under the sun. Right, So, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.160 way back when I think like nineties seven, I danced 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.320 in a peep show booth on O what's that? What's 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.560 you doing? We were talking about this show, the Peep Shows. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.040 It was dope. I mean, it was one of my 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.320 first trips to New York. You know. I met a 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.720 guy at an af season l A and he was 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.160 the next day he was like, I'm going to New 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.080 York tomorrow. I was like, I want to go. So 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.800 he got me a ticket and I came to New York. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.880 But he lived in Long Island. He lived in Himpstead 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:30.840 and I was no, it was fun. I was like, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.560 let me find my way. How do I get into 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.280 the city. And so, you know, I came. I came 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:36.880 into the city. I met an agent and you know, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.040 made some calls. There was you know New York p 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.680 ourn agent and he booked me to dance at this 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.920 It was a it was a you know, like a 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:50.120 sex shop video store on and it had peep show 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.280 booths in the back. So I, you know, I had 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.080 never done that before, Like I worked in phone sex before. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.360 But you know, you go into the booth breakdown working. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.760 So you go into these little booths and it would 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.680 be like a little tiny like octagon is it just 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.160 and just you? And then the other person is sitting 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.760 behind a glass green on the other side. You see 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.600 though they would and you could see them, so they 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.520 would put like coins is still available in New York 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.120 by the way, Yeah, it doesn't necessary. They're not in there, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.800 but you can see it. Yeah, you you would go, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.440 they'd put the coins in the machine and the curtain 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.200 would come up, and then you would dance. And so 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.040 the way they taught me was like you would slowly move. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.800 You would move and you would kind of like start 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:43.600 to dance around. How long did they get minutes? It 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.120 would be like, you know, I don't remember the exact amount, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.520 but I would say it was kind of like like 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.400 three dollars for three minutes or some something something along 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.520 the line I was making. It wasn't a lot like 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.880 it would be like maybe two hundred, three hundred dollars 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.400 a night, but it was. It was one of those 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.360 things that was the only black girl that was there. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.760 And so it's like they were there was a little 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.560 bit of you know, it was a nice constant flow. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.640 Can you you can see them. I could see them 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.880 on the other side, and so they would off, they 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.880 would be jerking off. They would be jerking off. And 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.040 so but when I say everything, there's nothing new. It's 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.120 the same thing with campsites, except that now they use 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.080 their credit card instead of a point. I have to 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:28.040 make this like point, you're not that old. The fact 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.920 that you were in a coin books. It's nuts. It's 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.000 nuts like that this sounds like you, I know, but 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.360 it's but it's wild. It's like this is pretty Giuliani 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.120 right where this whether all the sex shops still existed 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.680 in New York, New York and so like. But to 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.680 be able to even think about the fact that I 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.880 had that experience right like that I could go to 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.960 a peep show booth and and work. I worked in 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:53.920 a phone sex bank for like two days, and a 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.720 bank like what does a phone sex bank not? Like yes, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.640 like marketing. So back in the day, when did they 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.560 find in the Yellow Pages? They didn't find me? Well, actually, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.680 actually my first my first time ever worked like seeing 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.200 people in person. I worked out of the l A Weekly, 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.200 which was it was and and and and also which 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.800 still exists. And also there were other like you would 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.959 see in you know in l A. You see the 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.639 red boxes in New York too, but you see the 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.320 red boxes on the corner, but that have all the 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.560 free papers, and they have the free papers. So there 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.439 were there were escort newspapers that like in l A, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.520 like you would pay for your ads. Those are like 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.840 the game newspapers nowadays there are papers now, yeah, but 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.600 that was that was those are the kinds of things 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.240 like when I I'm actually I'm shooting a documentary next 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.399 month for Anny Um for vice rather on um on 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.840 sex before the Internet, and so so these are some 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.359 of the types of wow that I that I had 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.560 an opportunity to do that that nowadays people would be 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.960 like what you were you were advertising in the paper. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.359 I mean, we used to advertise in the back of 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.080 the New Yorker, you know, so for for a second, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.640 you know, for I mean, but also your videos were 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.520 put to like vhs hs and they had to buy 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:14.520 it that way a DVD and then and so even yeah, 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.359 when you did it, it was because you said ninety 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.040 three because when you started that was also before the 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.800 Internet with escorting in papers. Yeah, I can't imagine how 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.640 terrifying because with the Internet you can see it looks 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.200 like maybe Google in the in the paper you could 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.480 do either for myself, I could either put an ad. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.200 It was like a hundred dollars to put an ad 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.400 up with a pat with your photo and a description, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.119 or it was like sixty dollars to put an ad 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.120 with just like you're just text and also modern version 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.359 of that. Right. Craiglis is a modern version of that, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.320 not even but the same way Craigslist. Not all of 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.760 the posts had photos. Sometimes you add to email if 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.200 you were inquiring, then get a photo or it would 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.080 all be blurred faces. Was your face bloard and in 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.679 these papers my face was not. But there was no 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.600 blurring like option. I mean you could you could put 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.399 a picture of like that didn't show what you do. No, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:09.879 you would go to the there, you'd go to the 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.040 office and they would say in it and no you 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.879 would just you would, Yeah, you would give them whatever 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.119 you want because there was email, you know, but but 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.800 not like in I want to say, it was so 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:25.040 how did you? How did you protect you? So I 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.800 was really fortunate that when I first got into the business, 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.480 there was um I think I was like maybe maybe two. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.199 Well it was two. I was like a year in 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.200 I met I was on a set and I met 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.360 a woman who actually thought that I was somebody's kids 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.840 sister that the director and studio owner allowed to be 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.400 on the set. She like she like cussed him out 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.480 because she was like, you're gonna get us all arrested. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.960 And then when she found out that I was actually talented, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.640 she was like, wait, what you're you're you're a performer, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.439 Like how long have you been doing this? What have 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.240 do you dance? Like? What's the story? So she was 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.720 the person her and her roommate, they were the people 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.480 who taught me how to be a home like they 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.760 taught me how to walk in six inches the lettos 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.240 to the b too music, they showed they went, took 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.320 me to buy my first pair of thigh high You 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.320 do really young looking at this picture of you one 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.280 with glasses on? That one wasn't he that's like in 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.080 the two thousand's though, that's like no porn, well not. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.359 This is why I'm trying to find your you. I 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.720 see the baby face this one. Look for Yeah, no, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:27.200 that's that's put put nineteen hundreds. Put put the nineteen hundreds. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.320 I'll have to show you some girl boody grow and 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.639 then get smaller again and then grow. I was like, 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.880 do you know what any photos are? Right? How many 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.480 scenes have you done? Like, oh my god, oh my god, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.479 look at this one we're looking at. Let me describe 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.320 this to y'all. There is right, there is uh you 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.800 are tied to if there's cups over your tips, what 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.239