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Speaker 1: another episode today. Our guest is very legendary legend daddy.
Speaker 1: We have Cinnamon Love in the building. Ya. Do you
Speaker 1: still go by Cinnamon Love for your sex ed work? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I still go by Cinnamon Love. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: a bit trying to rebrand. I mean it's been twenty
Speaker 1: nine years. I think the rebrand was adding the last
Speaker 1: name Love, like eight years in. But I've been doing
Speaker 1: the ship for twenty nine years, Like there is no rebrand.
Speaker 1: So I've known your name for a long time because
Speaker 1: I mean, you're obviously such a well known adult film actress,
Speaker 1: but also most recently you work in sex education. What
Speaker 1: do you do? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, um, so I've
Speaker 1: been teaching people how to rethink their pleasure, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are super hyper focused
Speaker 1: on on using porn as sex ed, but they forget
Speaker 1: that what they're watching is they did it. It's not
Speaker 1: a fake, like it's really Have you read that book
Speaker 1: Your Brain on Porn? I have not read the book
Speaker 1: Your Brain? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know what you're talking about. Someone sentence to
Speaker 1: me a shout out to Miko, and it's funny because
Speaker 1: it's a dude I worked with, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is weird. Does anythink I'm an addict? But it
Speaker 1: was so interesting to read because it was just talking
Speaker 1: about one of the things I mentioned a horrible lot,
Speaker 1: how much more we need when watching porn, And I
Speaker 1: realized I do that, Like if I'm watching maybe too
Speaker 1: like lesbians, just them, Suddenly I need them to be
Speaker 1: more aggressive than I get into some weird porn ship.
Speaker 1: Then it's like boom boom boom. It just levels up
Speaker 1: and my porn can't be normal anymore. Like watching gay
Speaker 1: porn is why I like eating Nigga booty is so bad.
Speaker 1: I love eating because I don't chapter just because I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I was filled with the pink dick so
Speaker 1: it'd be like beautiful, my little brown chocolate starfish. But
Speaker 1: I know it's because I've grown like more of a
Speaker 1: fascination the male from watching gay porn and because like
Speaker 1: they're also like masculine. I don't have those hangups of
Speaker 1: of men not knowing how to clean. I'm also friends
Speaker 1: with a lot of gay men. Like the idea that
Speaker 1: straight men just don't know how to wipe as is
Speaker 1: really odd to me because I deal with a lot
Speaker 1: of super clean men, and so watching porn and seeing
Speaker 1: them taking some big old dick, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I fu niggas that takes showers and I love right,
Speaker 1: like like if I walk into your house and you're
Speaker 1: your bathroom is filthy, I'm not gonna take my clothes
Speaker 1: off the toilet the toilet like did you guys? Yes?
Speaker 1: For the girls were sharing? Guy, Yes, here's the way
Speaker 1: both thread and you know what, let me ask you,
Speaker 1: because you've been around the block, let me know, did
Speaker 1: you mean that like it sounds because you know? So,
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Then, in dating and before having
Speaker 1: sex with someone, if you do go to someone's house,
Speaker 1: what are things that you will see that will be like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm not gonna I'm gonna love I'm
Speaker 1: the hard towel in the bathroom, the hard towel, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're like I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, Like like that hasn't
Speaker 1: been washed, like you know what I mean, or or
Speaker 1: not having towels, not having like hand soap in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: just a bar, just a bar, or having like three
Speaker 1: and one, you know, like body wash, ample conditioner and
Speaker 1: body wash. Yes. Actually, there was a guy that I
Speaker 1: was seeing a couple a few years ago, and I
Speaker 1: walked in his you know, like I walked in his
Speaker 1: place and I was like, this is not gonna work
Speaker 1: for me, and I and I left, and then he
Speaker 1: hit me up and was like what what happened? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm a woman, and this is not clean,
Speaker 1: like like I'm not it's not even about being bougie,
Speaker 1: but it's like not comfortable. I'm not laying down in
Speaker 1: your bed and taking my clothes off. If I have
Speaker 1: to worry about whether or not I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 1: she's or even clean, but she's or even clean even clear?
Speaker 1: Are they even clean? Like if you don't have you
Speaker 1: don't have at least like you know, food in your fridge,
Speaker 1: Like how I need water after we have sex. I
Speaker 1: don't think that like the things that I required from
Speaker 1: a dude's house had to do a money when I
Speaker 1: was younger, because I've had been very spoiled by good
Speaker 1: products and things men would have, and like, honestly, it's
Speaker 1: just not I don't like no, even if there was
Speaker 1: one guy. There was an actor that I dated back
Speaker 1: in the like very briefly, back in the nineties, and
Speaker 1: he is the reason why I have the standards I
Speaker 1: do now around cleanliness with men, because his house was
Speaker 1: so fucking dirty, like I didn't see it when we
Speaker 1: walked in because the no. And then it's like when
Speaker 1: I got up to go to the bathroom after we
Speaker 1: had sex, and I was like, where the funk am
Speaker 1: I at? Like I couldn't even I couldn't even sleep,
Speaker 1: Like I literally started cleaning his apartment, not because I
Speaker 1: wanted to, like train his not wasn't trying to be
Speaker 1: shows Like I couldn't even like laid my head down on.
Speaker 1: I was like, And it was funny because his mom
Speaker 1: came in in the morning, like she had a key,
Speaker 1: she came in in the morning and she was walking
Speaker 1: like I was in the bathroom cleaning the bathroom because
Speaker 1: I wanted to take a shower and I couldn't take
Speaker 1: a shower, like there was like food curtains everywhere, and
Speaker 1: it's like and she was so when she walked in,
Speaker 1: she was like, there's a there's a there's been a
Speaker 1: woman here, Like do you have a girlfriend? And I
Speaker 1: was like, and that was a problem. That was a problem.
Speaker 1: But after being embarrassed her. That's also there's a difference
Speaker 1: between filth and mess. Like I've definitely didn't mess you
Speaker 1: guys where their laundry. I'll never get fold everywhere, but
Speaker 1: like filth, filth is different. It was so filthy and
Speaker 1: so because of that, I've never like at this Like
Speaker 1: now I'm like I walk in and I say, okay,
Speaker 1: Like what am I looking for? Like is there is that?
Speaker 1: Is it clean? First of all? Do you have bath products?
Speaker 1: Are there clean towels? Is there water in the fridge
Speaker 1: or at least a britt of filter like something, because
Speaker 1: after we have sex, like I'm gonna want water, Like
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't have to go make a run
Speaker 1: to the bodega to get water after we fucked, Like,
Speaker 1: how am I supposed to like, you're you I New
Speaker 1: York water. York water is good to be in the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah they got it from the water. No. No, like people,
Speaker 1: you know, people that their kids and now we got
Speaker 1: polio people. I don't know why. This just made me
Speaker 1: think of I'm like, so I was like a really
Speaker 1: big hater before I watched it, The Little Baby Doc.
Speaker 1: I was like laughing about I saw people on Twitter
Speaker 1: talking about like your niggas feeling inspired from the rappers
Speaker 1: dog like you need to do man. But I watched
Speaker 1: it and it was really well made, even talking about politics.
Speaker 1: Just the way it was filmed like phenomenal. But one
Speaker 1: of the things I noticed that I thought was so
Speaker 1: funny was how rich he is. How he they've talked about,
Speaker 1: how he's been rich forever, how he was a millionaire
Speaker 1: before he was rapping. But his house a lot of
Speaker 1: empty parts. I'm like, this is such a nigga's. Like
Speaker 1: his closet phenomenal, the sneakers like everything, and it wasn't dirty.
Speaker 1: It was just empty rooms in this mansion. And it's like,
Speaker 1: obviously you can figure this out, but you know what
Speaker 1: niggas don't do think of interior design. They know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You like. Also, the best thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys saw it, but he was going
Speaker 1: to the grands with his son, and this to me,
Speaker 1: I love watching black kids live in luxury and understand wealth.
Speaker 1: So they're going down the stairs and they're dressed so
Speaker 1: adorably and there's like a fountain underneath where the stairs
Speaker 1: are and little baby drops his phone. He's like fun
Speaker 1: and he's running to grab his phone and the sun goes.
Speaker 1: But don't worry, Dad, You're right. I was like, just on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like really, it has nothing to do with money.
Speaker 1: You went to an actor's house. It was filthy. It's
Speaker 1: just like again, niggas need to be elensated about Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, because if you have money like that, like
Speaker 1: higher housekeeper. You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't
Speaker 1: have to live that way. It's you old to ask
Speaker 1: grabb it on, get a coupon code. Now let's get
Speaker 1: to what we really want to know about the house ship.
Speaker 1: So I I know about you from the era of
Speaker 1: here were my personal favorites. Not saying youwheren't in there,
Speaker 1: but this was like women that I feel like I
Speaker 1: remembered because they were top dogs. And then when you're
Speaker 1: like looking at their ship, you find cinnamon love like
Speaker 1: you were kind of in your own Lady Pinky had
Speaker 1: her own kind of vibe. But then I feel like
Speaker 1: Caprix styles, Lacies, we've all cinem in love. Was what
Speaker 1: Cherokee Cherokee was like, because y'all had a similar body type.
Speaker 1: Lazy you write Cherokee to asked, was that Pinky likes sunny?
Speaker 1: Naming like a bunch of people that I used to manage?
Speaker 1: But go ahead, so you did you you did management?
Speaker 1: I had a Yeah, I had a management company called
Speaker 1: Urban I Candy Um. All of these people that you're naming,
Speaker 1: they came after I did, right, So I came into
Speaker 1: the business. It was Lana San's Janet, jack Mee Wowy,
Speaker 1: Persia Um, Persia, Champagne, Pandavis like you know, those those
Speaker 1: were the generation Jackie and Persia. Yeah, so Channing I
Speaker 1: came in after after they did, and so and then
Speaker 1: everybody else that you're like that, those early two thousand's
Speaker 1: people came in after. Let's talk about age, can't we?
Speaker 1: So you're forty eight, correct, Yeah, forty eight. So you
Speaker 1: started in nine Wow. When I was nineteen, I was
Speaker 1: the very first black kind of like girl next door
Speaker 1: only because I like, I looked like I was a miner, right,
Speaker 1: So when I came in a lot most of the
Speaker 1: women outside of like Lana Sands and Janet Jackie had
Speaker 1: these like these late eighties early nineties horn star bodies,
Speaker 1: which were the big, huge hits, a little bit, no hips,
Speaker 1: no ass because that's what was selling on the feature market,
Speaker 1: and that's what the white men want to see, right,
Speaker 1: So when I came in, I looked like I was
Speaker 1: scouted because I looked like I was barely legal. I
Speaker 1: was like the very first barely legal black porn star.
Speaker 1: Was that something that you were okay knowing that this
Speaker 1: was the fan untill I showed up and there was
Speaker 1: a photo from my very first Hustler magazine shoot that
Speaker 1: was that appeared in the movie Freeway with Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, Freeway was to me
Speaker 1: was her best ever, her best movie that she ever
Speaker 1: movie Don't Fire. Now, I gotta go back a little.
Speaker 1: So there's a scene in the movie. So so for
Speaker 1: the people who don't know it's like it's a red
Speaker 1: riding Hood take, right, it's a modern red riding hood take.
Speaker 1: And there's a scene in the movie where um, they
Speaker 1: go to the house to you know, to the killer's house,
Speaker 1: and they cut the lock on a shed in the
Speaker 1: backyard and all this like child sexual exploitation material comes out.
Speaker 1: And I'm watching the movie on on on DVD, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's this there's this picture of
Speaker 1: me that comes like this flying out of the and
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm like wait what And I'm like so
Speaker 1: I had to pause it and go back, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're using a picture of me for child pornographer, a
Speaker 1: child sexual exploitation material. And I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta do a rebrand. Like that was actually the
Speaker 1: real when I rebranded, because I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not okay. What does a rebrand look like for for
Speaker 1: important for for something. So for me, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the porn industry doesn't have the same kind of like
Speaker 1: branding and marketing for performers the way that the music
Speaker 1: industr tree or the or film and television does. So,
Speaker 1: like if you think about like in music, you know
Speaker 1: what you start, like your Brittany Christina Beyonce. You start
Speaker 1: off as a teen and then as you get older,
Speaker 1: you get sexier. The the tops gets shorter, the skirts
Speaker 1: get shorter, music gets a little dirty. So well, no,
Speaker 1: so I started off as a team, but then because
Speaker 1: of the way the porn industry works, usually you age
Speaker 1: out right, or it used to be that you would
Speaker 1: age out. So for me, what I did was I
Speaker 1: started shooting with companies that we're also shooting playmates because like,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people were some of those companies, um, well,
Speaker 1: like kink dot Com I shot four they were one
Speaker 1: of the first. A lot of photographers that I worked with, like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who I worked with. There's
Speaker 1: like Christine, Christine Cussler, um, Ashley Fontanae, Like there was
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that I that were shooting glamour models. Um.
Speaker 1: Because the way that Playboy used to work is that
Speaker 1: the playmates could do they could do glamour and they
Speaker 1: could do kink, but they couldn't have on like uniforms
Speaker 1: or costumes, okay, and they couldn't do hardcore porn. So
Speaker 1: I could shoot louis like fetish companies and fetish photographers
Speaker 1: because playmates would also be on the platform and then
Speaker 1: that way their audience would also get to witness and
Speaker 1: see me. So that for me, like shooting with these
Speaker 1: kinds of photographers to you know, allow my character to
Speaker 1: grow up, my on screen character to grow up and
Speaker 1: represent myself the way that I see myself right, not
Speaker 1: as you know, a cheerleader, you know, like whatever. Like
Speaker 1: you know, this is like a different interesting to me
Speaker 1: because we are in an era of only fans and
Speaker 1: you know, to have a conversation with someone that's been
Speaker 1: in the game so long and been able to keep
Speaker 1: up a career in sex work, whether sex at anything, porn, like,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me. What do you think of
Speaker 1: this era in terms of like how do they grow?
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: first off, there's nothing is there's nothing new under the sun. Right, So,
Speaker 1: way back when I think like nineties seven, I danced
Speaker 1: in a peep show booth on O what's that? What's
Speaker 1: you doing? We were talking about this show, the Peep Shows.
Speaker 1: It was dope. I mean, it was one of my
Speaker 1: first trips to New York. You know. I met a
Speaker 1: guy at an af season l A and he was
Speaker 1: the next day he was like, I'm going to New
Speaker 1: York tomorrow. I was like, I want to go. So
Speaker 1: he got me a ticket and I came to New York.
Speaker 1: But he lived in Long Island. He lived in Himpstead
Speaker 1: and I was no, it was fun. I was like,
Speaker 1: let me find my way. How do I get into
Speaker 1: the city. And so, you know, I came. I came
Speaker 1: into the city. I met an agent and you know,
Speaker 1: made some calls. There was you know New York p
Speaker 1: ourn agent and he booked me to dance at this
Speaker 1: It was a it was a you know, like a
Speaker 1: sex shop video store on and it had peep show
Speaker 1: booths in the back. So I, you know, I had
Speaker 1: never done that before, Like I worked in phone sex before.
Speaker 1: But you know, you go into the booth breakdown working.
Speaker 1: So you go into these little booths and it would
Speaker 1: be like a little tiny like octagon is it just
Speaker 1: and just you? And then the other person is sitting
Speaker 1: behind a glass green on the other side. You see
Speaker 1: though they would and you could see them, so they
Speaker 1: would put like coins is still available in New York
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, it doesn't necessary. They're not in there,
Speaker 1: but you can see it. Yeah, you you would go,
Speaker 1: they'd put the coins in the machine and the curtain
Speaker 1: would come up, and then you would dance. And so
Speaker 1: the way they taught me was like you would slowly move.
Speaker 1: You would move and you would kind of like start
Speaker 1: to dance around. How long did they get minutes? It
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, I don't remember the exact amount,
Speaker 1: but I would say it was kind of like like
Speaker 1: three dollars for three minutes or some something something along
Speaker 1: the line I was making. It wasn't a lot like
Speaker 1: it would be like maybe two hundred, three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a night, but it was. It was one of those
Speaker 1: things that was the only black girl that was there.
Speaker 1: And so it's like they were there was a little
Speaker 1: bit of you know, it was a nice constant flow.
Speaker 1: Can you you can see them. I could see them
Speaker 1: on the other side, and so they would off, they
Speaker 1: would be jerking off. They would be jerking off. And
Speaker 1: so but when I say everything, there's nothing new. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing with campsites, except that now they use
Speaker 1: their credit card instead of a point. I have to
Speaker 1: make this like point, you're not that old. The fact
Speaker 1: that you were in a coin books. It's nuts. It's
Speaker 1: nuts like that this sounds like you, I know, but
Speaker 1: it's but it's wild. It's like this is pretty Giuliani
Speaker 1: right where this whether all the sex shops still existed
Speaker 1: in New York, New York and so like. But to
Speaker 1: be able to even think about the fact that I
Speaker 1: had that experience right like that I could go to
Speaker 1: a peep show booth and and work. I worked in
Speaker 1: a phone sex bank for like two days, and a
Speaker 1: bank like what does a phone sex bank not? Like yes,
Speaker 1: like marketing. So back in the day, when did they
Speaker 1: find in the Yellow Pages? They didn't find me? Well, actually,
Speaker 1: actually my first my first time ever worked like seeing
Speaker 1: people in person. I worked out of the l A Weekly,
Speaker 1: which was it was and and and and also which
Speaker 1: still exists. And also there were other like you would
Speaker 1: see in you know in l A. You see the
Speaker 1: red boxes in New York too, but you see the
Speaker 1: red boxes on the corner, but that have all the
Speaker 1: free papers, and they have the free papers. So there
Speaker 1: were there were escort newspapers that like in l A,
Speaker 1: like you would pay for your ads. Those are like
Speaker 1: the game newspapers nowadays there are papers now, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was that was those are the kinds of things
Speaker 1: like when I I'm actually I'm shooting a documentary next
Speaker 1: month for Anny Um for vice rather on um on
Speaker 1: sex before the Internet, and so so these are some
Speaker 1: of the types of wow that I that I had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do that that nowadays people would be
Speaker 1: like what you were you were advertising in the paper.
Speaker 1: I mean, we used to advertise in the back of
Speaker 1: the New Yorker, you know, so for for a second,
Speaker 1: you know, for I mean, but also your videos were
Speaker 1: put to like vhs hs and they had to buy
Speaker 1: it that way a DVD and then and so even yeah,
Speaker 1: when you did it, it was because you said ninety
Speaker 1: three because when you started that was also before the
Speaker 1: Internet with escorting in papers. Yeah, I can't imagine how
Speaker 1: terrifying because with the Internet you can see it looks
Speaker 1: like maybe Google in the in the paper you could
Speaker 1: do either for myself, I could either put an ad.
Speaker 1: It was like a hundred dollars to put an ad
Speaker 1: up with a pat with your photo and a description,
Speaker 1: or it was like sixty dollars to put an ad
Speaker 1: with just like you're just text and also modern version
Speaker 1: of that. Right. Craiglis is a modern version of that,
Speaker 1: not even but the same way Craigslist. Not all of
Speaker 1: the posts had photos. Sometimes you add to email if
Speaker 1: you were inquiring, then get a photo or it would
Speaker 1: all be blurred faces. Was your face bloard and in
Speaker 1: these papers my face was not. But there was no
Speaker 1: blurring like option. I mean you could you could put
Speaker 1: a picture of like that didn't show what you do. No,
Speaker 1: you would go to the there, you'd go to the
Speaker 1: office and they would say in it and no you
Speaker 1: would just you would, Yeah, you would give them whatever
Speaker 1: you want because there was email, you know, but but
Speaker 1: not like in I want to say, it was so
Speaker 1: how did you? How did you protect you? So I
Speaker 1: was really fortunate that when I first got into the business,
Speaker 1: there was um I think I was like maybe maybe two.
Speaker 1: Well it was two. I was like a year in
Speaker 1: I met I was on a set and I met
Speaker 1: a woman who actually thought that I was somebody's kids
Speaker 1: sister that the director and studio owner allowed to be
Speaker 1: on the set. She like she like cussed him out
Speaker 1: because she was like, you're gonna get us all arrested.
Speaker 1: And then when she found out that I was actually talented,
Speaker 1: she was like, wait, what you're you're you're a performer,
Speaker 1: Like how long have you been doing this? What have
Speaker 1: do you dance? Like? What's the story? So she was
Speaker 1: the person her and her roommate, they were the people
Speaker 1: who taught me how to be a home like they
Speaker 1: taught me how to walk in six inches the lettos
Speaker 1: to the b too music, they showed they went, took
Speaker 1: me to buy my first pair of thigh high You
Speaker 1: do really young looking at this picture of you one
Speaker 1: with glasses on? That one wasn't he that's like in
Speaker 1: the two thousand's though, that's like no porn, well not.
Speaker 1: This is why I'm trying to find your you. I
Speaker 1: see the baby face this one. Look for Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's put put nineteen hundreds. Put put the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: I'll have to show you some girl boody grow and
Speaker 1: then get smaller again and then grow. I was like,
Speaker 1: do you know what any photos are? Right? How many
Speaker 1: scenes have you done? Like, oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at this one we're looking at. Let me describe
Speaker 1: this to y'all. There is right, there is uh you
Speaker 1: are tied to if there's cups over your tips, what
Speaker 1: like literally cupping like someone does on the back, you're
Speaker 1: strapped up by the wrist and the stomach a magic
Speaker 1: one some a woman's using on you. What's the woodening
Speaker 1: underneath the sucking machine. I'm sorry, sucking machine, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to get it on you. Sucking machine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a machine that has the um that had a
Speaker 1: deilt to attached to its sex. Yeah, you turn it
Speaker 1: on and it it sucks you for the party scenes.
Speaker 1: Have you done like to fifty actually? And it really
Speaker 1: it's I probably did like maybe a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: scenes and then there's like a hundred like you know, mixtape.
Speaker 1: I have a few questions to about like money, So
Speaker 1: I did an episode, Um, I have a show about
Speaker 1: business of sex. No really sex stories, just finance on it.
Speaker 1: And we went to Evil Angel where they talked about
Speaker 1: legacy studio like rates and how girls get like two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars the big stars and and they're like, well
Speaker 1: only fans. Girls obviously make more, but they want to
Speaker 1: do film so that people will see their face and
Speaker 1: then go to their only fans. Disagree with that, So yeah,
Speaker 1: well I disagree with that because like it used to
Speaker 1: be back in the day, you had like the dancers
Speaker 1: would go to the big studios to dance horn like
Speaker 1: strippers would go to the big studios, like like the
Speaker 1: Legacy studios. Stormy used to do that. Yeah, Stormy, everybody
Speaker 1: used to do that. So because you would go dance
Speaker 1: with you, you would shoot for these companies so you
Speaker 1: could get box covers, and then the box covers would
Speaker 1: allow you to go back to the strip clubs to feature.
Speaker 1: I like to describe like for people who don't understand
Speaker 1: what that means. You know, it's like when when a
Speaker 1: when a rapper tours, you know, you know, tours, like yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, that that's kind of the way that
Speaker 1: that's the way that the feature dancer could work. So
Speaker 1: but the thing is like you don't need that anymore.
Speaker 1: You don't need a box cover because Instagram is your
Speaker 1: box cover, right, So whereas before you had some still
Speaker 1: the same thing though, because only fans of just the
Speaker 1: strip club now where you can make that money, You
Speaker 1: make the money and it's your own. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know't but if you can do the social media
Speaker 1: marketing and you get the followers, why do you need
Speaker 1: to shoot for a company to get a box cover?
Speaker 1: You don't what were the rates like back then, because
Speaker 1: he said, a top girl today is getting So when
Speaker 1: I started, the going rate for like, you would get
Speaker 1: a lot of money, like fifteen hundreds to two thousand
Speaker 1: for your first couple of scenes, and then after that,
Speaker 1: like the you know, blow job scenes were like three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars five girls, five hundred dollars for you know,
Speaker 1: five eight hundred for a for a boy girl scene.
Speaker 1: Girl girl scenes were usually a little bit less um
Speaker 1: but then you you know, when I think about you know,
Speaker 1: annal scenes would be like maybe twelve to fifteen or
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. But it's and then you
Speaker 1: go up depending on how the game the game thing,
Speaker 1: the most you've made, and was that like your most
Speaker 1: brutal the most of you ever did. Ghetto Gaggers, I
Speaker 1: did not do ghetto Gaggers. And because they're racist, let's
Speaker 1: talk about hetto Gagers. Yeah, so Ghetto Gaggers is a
Speaker 1: They are a company that is run by white men.
Speaker 1: They also they have another website called Latina Abuse, and
Speaker 1: they basically they basically like they they they consider themselves
Speaker 1: extreme hardcore porn, but really what they do is they
Speaker 1: fly women in from wherever they are on like overnight flights.
Speaker 1: They get them to a studio in they take them
Speaker 1: straight to the studio in the middle of Bfi, Jersey.
Speaker 1: They have them, they don't get them checked into a
Speaker 1: hotel first, and then they put them in these in
Speaker 1: these compromising position. Was like they're they're giving them pizza
Speaker 1: and like like stuff that's really greasy, and then they
Speaker 1: have they film them going through their checklist of all
Speaker 1: the different things that they're okay with and the things
Speaker 1: that they're interested in doing, and then they start shooting
Speaker 1: this scene. Right, so the woman is already signed a
Speaker 1: release form with a full stomach, and they have them.
Speaker 1: They shoot these scenes with them where they are literally
Speaker 1: just trying to make them throw up. And so I've
Speaker 1: seen I've seen scenes where they had a girl throw
Speaker 1: up in the in a dog bowl and then poured
Speaker 1: it on her head, right, and it's and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really you can tell like even if somebody's interested
Speaker 1: in hardcore, really hardcore extreme like b D s M,
Speaker 1: that you can see the look on someone's face in
Speaker 1: their videos when they go from options are like making
Speaker 1: the bitch cry like yeah, and it's so far and
Speaker 1: you can see that where they go from I'm okay
Speaker 1: with this too, I'm scared, like what the fun did
Speaker 1: I get what I signed up for? And because they
Speaker 1: flown them out, they don't have a hotel room there.
Speaker 1: It's like they don't check them into the hotel until
Speaker 1: after the scene is over. So they're literally like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's coercion. Okay. I have to tell you guys
Speaker 1: about how why I asked about Gett Gregers. I was
Speaker 1: asked to do a short docum memory series on violence
Speaker 1: important and this was a few months ago, right after
Speaker 1: shooting Sex Cell season two. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: ghetto gaggers is the worst I've ever seen. We've got
Speaker 1: to talk about that. All of them are going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit older to where they could probably
Speaker 1: talk about it and be done with it right. I
Speaker 1: had to go through the site to find the girls
Speaker 1: that I wanted to work with. I could not even
Speaker 1: finish it. And I said, you know, I'm not the
Speaker 1: first thing to this. It was supposed to be educational
Speaker 1: and um, no, no no, no, the doctor we're making which
Speaker 1: it was, I'm sure, but I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I could do it. It was taking me to
Speaker 1: a place that was. So it's difficult, and you're right,
Speaker 1: do you watch this? I don't even know how it's
Speaker 1: still up. And you know, it's crazy how cancel culture exists, right,
Speaker 1: you think about this Tiffany Hattish already spirits thing that's
Speaker 1: going on? How did this kid exist? It's gone. Now
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen to ghetto gaggers. I don't know when
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. I don't, but I found a girl
Speaker 1: I wanted to interview, started watching it. The look, the comments,
Speaker 1: how they increasingly enjoyed her getting more upset. Oh my god, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how it's still illegal. And now
Speaker 1: dog fart is a company ship, so I like Bukaki porn.
Speaker 1: So when I type it in, I find a lot
Speaker 1: of dog part which is literally then wearing Confederate flag shirts,
Speaker 1: sucking women on trash cans. Like it's so they tried
Speaker 1: to get me to shoot for that Confederate flag shirt,
Speaker 1: like seeing like it's like a it's like a blow
Speaker 1: bang with the guys wearing Confederate Confederate flag t shirt
Speaker 1: and they use black women and they use black women
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I'm not doing that actually,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you about that, because you're
Speaker 1: coming in as the girl next door, a petito, a
Speaker 1: more petite body, not not mean making it worries, but
Speaker 1: a more petite body. Did you start off with white men,
Speaker 1: because we've all and we've talked to porn stars that
Speaker 1: said that they stayed there because once you sucked a
Speaker 1: black man in porn, your right would down. Did you
Speaker 1: experience that as well coming in early on or what
Speaker 1: was that? So two things. The reason why a lot
Speaker 1: of white women wait to shoot with black men later
Speaker 1: is because back in the eighties and the nineties, when
Speaker 1: when white performers would have to also do the feature
Speaker 1: dance circuit, most of the strip clubs that would have
Speaker 1: like chains of stores, so like deja vu, a lot
Speaker 1: of their stores would be across the Bible Belt and
Speaker 1: across the Midwest. Okay, if you were a white performer,
Speaker 1: you could not tour those strip clubs across the Bible Belt.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't book you because if you had had sex
Speaker 1: with a black guy. So all over the internet all yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: I've got a black eye in some places. It's not
Speaker 1: in some place like that, but but don't be Yeah,
Speaker 1: but don't black guy, and so and so a lot
Speaker 1: of like when I came in, a lot of the
Speaker 1: women were told. The white women were told if even
Speaker 1: if they were sucking black guys in their personal life,
Speaker 1: even if their boyfriend was black, they were told to
Speaker 1: wait and hold their first scene with a black guy
Speaker 1: for later when their career would start to like ebb
Speaker 1: and flow like so that way they could they could
Speaker 1: charge the most money for their first scene with a
Speaker 1: black guy. Right so, and actually up until when the
Speaker 1: porn industry had its Black Lives Matter moment, which is
Speaker 1: a whole another conversation, but that we it was up
Speaker 1: until then that there was an industry wide decision to
Speaker 1: not charge, like to not allow agents to charge more
Speaker 1: money for a white girl's first scene with a black
Speaker 1: which is nuts. And doing that now with with gay
Speaker 1: men that if you talk, the longer you talk, the
Speaker 1: more the fans want to see you the bottom and
Speaker 1: so like I know, so like I'll go on because
Speaker 1: because I followed them all to bring them all. Now
Speaker 1: not all of them live here, but we were talking
Speaker 1: about that. Well one wasn't Vegas. We we gotta work
Speaker 1: I know a few and now zeus then hired them
Speaker 1: all to fucking fall in love with Bobby life. But
Speaker 1: now all is getting famous and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear you talk. I just wanted to see you,
Speaker 1: Bence Ober. But they were telling me how even if
Speaker 1: they're versed in real life, the longer they stay a
Speaker 1: top and gay porn, the higher the higher they can
Speaker 1: charge whenever they do bottom. Like literally I watched one
Speaker 1: guy do it and they added all the like the
Speaker 1: thematic music of the dick finally going in this tops
Speaker 1: as and it's crazy, it is I haven't saved, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know what's so crazy is that, Like when
Speaker 1: I came in, it's like, you know, there there was
Speaker 1: no equivalent to the black dick rate for black women.
Speaker 1: There's none. It's like you basically, as a black woman,
Speaker 1: you're expected to come in or Latina, you're expected to
Speaker 1: come in doing everything right. So you know, even you
Speaker 1: couldn't say no. I mean that's not that you can't
Speaker 1: say no, but it's there's just an expectation. It's of
Speaker 1: course people ask you like what you know, do you
Speaker 1: do anal to you do tps or to YouTube, group
Speaker 1: text like you know, all of these they ask you
Speaker 1: what you do. But there's no different, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no big you know, black dick rate for black women.
Speaker 1: And the reason that black dick rate existed is because
Speaker 1: there's this it's the stereotype of black men having bigger dicks. Yes,
Speaker 1: even though you out or even though there's white guys
Speaker 1: important that have big dicks, like do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm s James that was big. Manuel Ferrara has a
Speaker 1: big has a big gas dick like you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like, there's no, I was never all made a
Speaker 1: white He's from white, not the spicy friends what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's still now but they're well but but you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's like, there's no there's no there's
Speaker 1: no special rate for him, there's no I've worked with
Speaker 1: Rocoster Fred, there's no there's no big, special big dig
Speaker 1: rate for to Funk Rocklessoffreddi and he has a huge dick,
Speaker 1: you know. But so it's it's a there's a there
Speaker 1: was always this this fucked up way that they would,
Speaker 1: you know, make it seem like it's like always just
Speaker 1: because of the black guys, like and I did, like
Speaker 1: I did a scene for Vivid with Shane Diesel and
Speaker 1: Richard Mann two the on once they got out of
Speaker 1: their their individual contracts. I was shooting a scene for
Speaker 1: Um for Um rough sex to for with Trisan Teremino,
Speaker 1: and she was like, what's one thing that you want
Speaker 1: to do? And I was like, I want to do
Speaker 1: a hardcore b D s M scene with you know,
Speaker 1: b D s M scene with hardcore sex with two
Speaker 1: with you know, with a group of black guys. Right.
Speaker 1: I wanted these two black guys who are known for
Speaker 1: having the biggest dicks their whole careers. They were put
Speaker 1: with only little, tiny, petite white girls, right because to
Speaker 1: fit the stereotype. And I'm like, I want, I want
Speaker 1: the big black tick. And I also I brought in
Speaker 1: another black guy, this UM name Orpheus. I brought in Orpheus.
Speaker 1: Orpheus was my Yeah, Orpheus was my was my top
Speaker 1: for the scene. I created this really dope ass scene
Speaker 1: where I was like, I wanted to do domestic service.
Speaker 1: I had this latex French maid's outfit on with with
Speaker 1: a like a d porn like you have to do
Speaker 1: a porn treatment like film for some films. For some films,
Speaker 1: I love thee I love a story. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: I had I had this um, I had this idea
Speaker 1: that I wanted the guys like all in like a
Speaker 1: you know, shirt collared shirts playing pool. I was gonna do,
Speaker 1: you know, be serving drinks and then I would fill
Speaker 1: a drink on one of the guests so that my
Speaker 1: top would have to discipline me. And then part of
Speaker 1: the discipline was to loan me to his his boys.
Speaker 1: You don't even want the money, now, I wanted. I
Speaker 1: wanted the money too. I mean, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: I get turned on by by getting paid to have sex, right,
Speaker 1: that's my everything around around me. But it was it
Speaker 1: was really dope. So we got to do some knife
Speaker 1: play and some fireplay and and also I got sucked
Speaker 1: by Shane and you know and Richard, And it was
Speaker 1: dope because here's two guys who are known for having
Speaker 1: like they're like twelve plus inches and to be able
Speaker 1: to I was like, I want to show that black
Speaker 1: women can also do all of the big dirty thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take dick, do all the dirty nasty ship like I mean,
Speaker 1: my whole not even that the b d s M.
Speaker 1: Having black men engaging in DS is having black people
Speaker 1: engaging and b d I mean, that's why we have
Speaker 1: the show, because we oftentimes look at b d s
Speaker 1: M and all those things kinks as white people should.
Speaker 1: That's why we started the pod saying, and there are
Speaker 1: so many black people they truly jined. I'm really wild
Speaker 1: to like find that. And also I remember in an
Speaker 1: episode were we interview this guy who was like, I
Speaker 1: was telling this story about who someone tied me up
Speaker 1: and blindfold of me. Was like, man, do that to you,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know how difficult it is
Speaker 1: like me and black men and them kind of wanted
Speaker 1: them to get that way nowadays. Yeah, actually that was
Speaker 1: only an episode six years ago. I actually think it's different.
Speaker 1: It's different now. I think it's I think that, and
Speaker 1: I think that people like King and Jasmine have definitely
Speaker 1: shut up the move that forward. I mean, there were
Speaker 1: always people doing like black people doing, you know, involved
Speaker 1: in the b DSM scene, But like when I shot
Speaker 1: I was the very first person, like black person to
Speaker 1: shoot for Kink dot com. That scene that you pulled
Speaker 1: up with the fucking machine was for Kink that way
Speaker 1: back in the day. But when and when I shot
Speaker 1: for them, my first scene for them was actually with
Speaker 1: the owner of the company because and he was he
Speaker 1: pushed back so much about hiring me because he was
Speaker 1: terrified of the of the social pushback of the black
Speaker 1: of putting a black woman in bondage and and like
Speaker 1: you know, or in a cage, like he was really afraid.
Speaker 1: Was there pushback though from hell? No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there was. I got pushed back
Speaker 1: on forums, like there were some some porn forums back
Speaker 1: in the day where people, of course, we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's setting the black race back fifty years, like nigga,
Speaker 1: what like, how am I setting them? It's sex, It's
Speaker 1: not like like I'm not. Actually, do you feel like
Speaker 1: being I'm not somebody way conversation, the Mia Khalifa conversation.
Speaker 1: Tell me more, tell anywhere. Actually, this is interesting. So
Speaker 1: I talked about this with the mutual friend of ours,
Speaker 1: that thing we were both asked to do. There there's
Speaker 1: a platform that wanted to interview people about sex, and
Speaker 1: they asked me what I thought of Mia Khalifa. But
Speaker 1: they told me that earlier that day they were going
Speaker 1: to talk to cinament. Oh. Yes, we said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with y'all. We all know mia Kalifa story already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wore the heat job. It was only a few
Speaker 1: scenes she did. Now she's a millionaire. People hated her.
Speaker 1: They wanted to kill her, like not saying it's not
Speaker 1: sucked up. But and you hearded this story where she
Speaker 1: was on daytime television and now she's on only fans
Speaker 1: And how are we not going to talk to the
Speaker 1: black girl that is older than her with a longer
Speaker 1: standing career. There's probably got more stories, bro. They were
Speaker 1: all on the zoom feelings they talk about Yeah, no
Speaker 1: they yeah, they told me. They told like why they
Speaker 1: crossed her off the list after I said that, and
Speaker 1: it's like something and then and then they people just
Speaker 1: don't really they're not really conscious of Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: and then they ghosted. But but that's another story for
Speaker 1: another day. But but I think that there's you know,
Speaker 1: people are always looking for this um They're looking for
Speaker 1: you know, stories that fit a certain narrative. And so
Speaker 1: like for me, like, you know, I I that platform
Speaker 1: like last year, and I actually told them when we
Speaker 1: first got on the call that you know, I was
Speaker 1: really glad that they reached out because last year they
Speaker 1: did a show where they were regurgitating some very swarthy
Speaker 1: language and some Christian conservative like talking points around how
Speaker 1: porn harms women as if we are not women also
Speaker 1: those of us who are doing this work. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't. They don't, people
Speaker 1: don't understand where some of these misconceptions and you know
Speaker 1: about porn come from. Right, You've got you have you know,
Speaker 1: right wing Christian conservative organizations like Nicosi who swear that
Speaker 1: if you are black or brown, or queer or trans
Speaker 1: or disabled or poor, that you your your you know,
Speaker 1: proximity to white supremacy makes it, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: systemic oppression makes it to where you can't actually choose
Speaker 1: to do sex work. And it's like a lot of
Speaker 1: are you saying that poor people can't don't have choice?
Speaker 1: Like you're saying that if you're and and what they're
Speaker 1: basically doing is they're taking you know, like iconic black
Speaker 1: feminist theory from like the Cahambie River Collective who who
Speaker 1: who said that, you know, our intersexuality is in direct
Speaker 1: relationship with capitalism, right, So and it's like, yes, that's true,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that we don't have choice. Like
Speaker 1: there's mad people who were survivors of sexual violence who
Speaker 1: don't choose to go into sex work. There are people
Speaker 1: who are poor who choose to work retail and or
Speaker 1: work at McDonald's or whatever as opposed to going into
Speaker 1: sex work. It's not it's your your your your proximity
Speaker 1: to capital, Like we all have the right to survive
Speaker 1: capitalism by any means flat necessary, Like do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And it's like, so, why should that
Speaker 1: not be a choice. It's like, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people who can't maintain traditional employment, can't find or
Speaker 1: maintain traditional employment, or who just don't want to do
Speaker 1: is a real thing, Like I've definitely felt, for one,
Speaker 1: I've definitely had sex with someone for rent money and
Speaker 1: not have wanted to do it. But I'm also a
Speaker 1: hypocrite because I can remember the moments where I didn't
Speaker 1: need to funk for money, but knowing that he was
Speaker 1: gonna give me some money felt great and I great
Speaker 1: kind of agree with like being turned on by it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of moments like when I was thinking
Speaker 1: back and we were having a conversation recently about you
Speaker 1: know you talking through therapy. The two things I had
Speaker 1: discovered through therapy, were one for giving myself for those
Speaker 1: moments where I did have to funk for money, and
Speaker 1: then the other ones where I was like the guilt
Speaker 1: I had because I did kind of like it. Well,
Speaker 1: and here's think I have. Here's here's the thing. Why
Speaker 1: should you have to forgive yourself for the things that
Speaker 1: you chose to do in order to survive capitalism? Right?
Speaker 1: Because you're the other option is what to be on
Speaker 1: the street, Like do you know what I'm saying? Like,
Speaker 1: there's you shouldn't have to forgive yourself for the choices
Speaker 1: that you made. Nobody is going to tell somebody, Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you should forgive yourself for when you had
Speaker 1: to take that low pay, low wage job in order
Speaker 1: for you to in order for you to your to
Speaker 1: pay for your kids, you know, for whatever. So why
Speaker 1: should you have to forgive yourself for the choices that
Speaker 1: you made when you when you had fewer options? But
Speaker 1: people don't believe that sex workers have a choice, right
Speaker 1: which where Like to me, if I'm fucking because I
Speaker 1: have to pay my rent? To me, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: some choices that I made that I probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made had the money been there. But I also have
Speaker 1: friends that have been in relationships where they didn't have
Speaker 1: to do anything sexual for money and they chose to
Speaker 1: like it's like they they missed it. They fiend off.
Speaker 1: I had a friend literally engaged, living with her partner,
Speaker 1: lied about what she did for a living, and would
Speaker 1: trial engaged, engaged, lived with her nigga and said that
Speaker 1: she was like a wedding planner or something. Would travel
Speaker 1: to New York, would traveled to d C. Would travel
Speaker 1: to all these different cities and beyond eroes and literally
Speaker 1: and literally stay on arrows like for the weekend and
Speaker 1: make all the money and come back home and take
Speaker 1: it back home to her husband or her fiance where
Speaker 1: she played um no, he she did find out because
Speaker 1: of course with clients, you you start getting repeat customers.
Speaker 1: So one of them ended up really liking her, and
Speaker 1: so he ended up just finding the messages between them too,
Speaker 1: so it seemed more like a sugar daddy relationship than
Speaker 1: what she was really doing since and he was really
Speaker 1: he got Yeah, I will say how bad it got.
Speaker 1: It got really bad. They're no longer together, but yeah,
Speaker 1: she got caught that way. But they were together for
Speaker 1: like seven plus years, and we would hang out. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I'd go and hang out with her at the hotel.
Speaker 1: She'd be like, yeah, girl, I got a client coming,
Speaker 1: so you can you can go down there, come back.
Speaker 1: Unless she did like a dinner date, which would be
Speaker 1: like eight hours, so we were just paying the dinner date.
Speaker 1: She would get paid so much money for the dinner day.
Speaker 1: It would be like a half night. She would go
Speaker 1: out to dinner and get paid to do the dinner.
Speaker 1: And she did a lot of girlfriend experiences. So but
Speaker 1: long story short, I say all of that to say,
Speaker 1: even though she had a partner that loved her dearly,
Speaker 1: they lived together, they were planning a family together, she
Speaker 1: was like, I like doing this and this is what
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. This is my choice.
Speaker 1: This is how I want to make my money. I
Speaker 1: don't want to drive, also saying quick money. It's It's
Speaker 1: interesting because I had a conversation with a dude that
Speaker 1: I used to funk with who used to sell dope,
Speaker 1: and he was telling me how bro like it's so
Speaker 1: crazy now, like he goes it's like a construction thing
Speaker 1: or something, and he was like, so crazy now, like
Speaker 1: everybody be like, oh, you make six figures He's like,
Speaker 1: they got to make six figures a month. And he's
Speaker 1: like and he's like, you know, it's crazy more than
Speaker 1: I missed past money. He was like, I missed being
Speaker 1: in the streets. I have mad fun, I had bitches.
Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle. And I was telling him like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was speaking arrangement a little, how I kind of
Speaker 1: missed that ship. I remember like not a bad scary nervous.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I never really felt unsafe. Um.
Speaker 1: I've had maybe one or two scenarios, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, I felt I felt like I was having fun.
Speaker 1: And I remember getting dressed up for dinner and how
Speaker 1: it felt and like, oh, this guy is so excited
Speaker 1: to fuck me, but maybe I won't fuck him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just keep getting this allowed winch money, which is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy because the allowance money thing on seeking arrangement,
Speaker 1: it is bullshit. They prey on young women, they do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was getting old, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm in school two six right, I was in college
Speaker 1: that was a non traditional student. Bro. I started making
Speaker 1: it like I realized because like always gonna go to college,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really passionate about anything, particularly in college.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out. And I were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would have to really do this up for this thing,
Speaker 1: Like just my little appearance are starting. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I love a good dinner date, like I had a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. I met some well, I met
Speaker 1: someone new. He's you know, new, a new regular client,
Speaker 1: and we did um you know, he flew into New
Speaker 1: York and I took you know, we went to one
Speaker 1: of my favorite black owned restaurants in Harlem. We went
Speaker 1: to you know, went to the restaurant. Um, if you
Speaker 1: don't want to share his produs, I'm not gonna share
Speaker 1: it because yeah, I'm not gonna share. But we went.
Speaker 1: But we went to but we went to the spot,
Speaker 1: we had dinner, We went someplace else, we had drinks.
Speaker 1: I took him to. It was during n f T
Speaker 1: and n y C Wings, so I took him to
Speaker 1: some events and then we went back to the hotel
Speaker 1: and we were hanging out. And it's like, but I
Speaker 1: love I love that opportunity to get to know people.
Speaker 1: And like, one of the things I always tell like
Speaker 1: newer sex workers, especially when I used to manage people,
Speaker 1: is that instead of trying to create a persona to
Speaker 1: be to be yourself right, because you can only fake
Speaker 1: You can only fake it for so long, and your
Speaker 1: real life, your real interests are actually interesting. So like
Speaker 1: with this guy, we were able to have conversations around
Speaker 1: panic because he was from the continent, so we were
Speaker 1: able to have conversations around Pan Africanism. You know, he
Speaker 1: was like super interested in the experiences of Black Americans
Speaker 1: in relationship to being ancestors that were stolen. And to
Speaker 1: be able to have those kinds of conversations with him
Speaker 1: over dinner and then at the end of the night
Speaker 1: go back to his home and give him the God
Speaker 1: you know, and and and for him to be like, wait,
Speaker 1: how much, how how much for you to stay for
Speaker 1: a little longer, Like you know, it's like, can you
Speaker 1: stay the night? And and I don't like I don't
Speaker 1: do overnights. I know a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: like sex workers do, because I like to sleep by
Speaker 1: my I don't want nobody. I don't want nobody waking
Speaker 1: up in a little night trying to put the dick
Speaker 1: and me like I'm not trying to be like I
Speaker 1: liked I like space in my bed, like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. It takes me a long time to be
Speaker 1: comfortable with somebody it would be able to ever fallen
Speaker 1: in love with a client kind of. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah when I had a I had like
Speaker 1: an eight year relationship with a client that was really wonderful,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was you know, he was my
Speaker 1: sugar daddy, and so we definitely were in love with
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, but by the time it
Speaker 1: was you know, there came a point when I wanted
Speaker 1: something more in my personal life than he was able
Speaker 1: to provide. And so like when when he broke up
Speaker 1: with me, um, like I was I would saying, I've
Speaker 1: been really open about the fact that I had a
Speaker 1: variant cancer when I was young, when I was in
Speaker 1: my thirties, and so when the last time that I
Speaker 1: had cancer, he was like, I really want to be there.
Speaker 1: I can't be there. Uh, you know, I'm realizing that
Speaker 1: I love you too much. And so he broke up
Speaker 1: with me. But he gave me a six mes severance package.
Speaker 1: So not a severance package from a sugar daddy. Yes.
Speaker 1: In fact, in fact, I was having a conversation with
Speaker 1: our mutual friend about we were talking about a celebrity
Speaker 1: that you know who has a bunch of women on retainer,
Speaker 1: and I was like, two dollars a year is not enough,
Speaker 1: because I hope he's also paying the taxes on the
Speaker 1: on that two K. I hope he's also paying for
Speaker 1: their wardrobe. I hope he's also maxing out there four
Speaker 1: oh one K and their roth Ira at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. I hope, And I hope he's also
Speaker 1: giving you know, paying for their health insurance and giving
Speaker 1: them a severance package when it's over, because you're you're
Speaker 1: putting your life on hold to have an exclusive arrangement
Speaker 1: with somebody, and so your life and your career, which
Speaker 1: means that when that's over now it takes it's going
Speaker 1: to take time to get back into the game and
Speaker 1: start being able to two ship. But I want to
Speaker 1: say that's been in terms of even being in those situations, right,
Speaker 1: how do you leave being sugar and making money from
Speaker 1: having sex to doing it out of love where there's
Speaker 1: no money involved. Maybe you're doing or have you ever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean connection, You know I would definitely have broke love.
Speaker 1: What about you still get taken care of barbridgement? But
Speaker 1: I mean not everyone can just keep in Richmon, we're
Speaker 1: talking about that relationship. Yeah, I mean I've had I've
Speaker 1: had you know, several ongoing you know, I've constantly been
Speaker 1: in relationship. I used to be a serial monogamous, so
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm a recovering serial monogamous. I'm like, definitely
Speaker 1: not interested in being in a relationship. Stop deeming me
Speaker 1: asking me if we can be in a relationship. But
Speaker 1: but I you know, it's it's just different. It's like
Speaker 1: for me, the money is the is the is the
Speaker 1: dividing line. It's the line in the sand. Right. It's like,
Speaker 1: because I I show up for my clients in ways
Speaker 1: that in similar ways and how I show up with
Speaker 1: my partner part minus the emotional labor, right, minus the
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm not necessarily cooking dinner for
Speaker 1: you if you're a client, you know, because we're gonna
Speaker 1: go out to eat. Like I'm not going to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in you know, being around your kids,
Speaker 1: being around your kids. Nope, not you know, it's like
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not that hard for
Speaker 1: me to be able to make that transition back and forth.
Speaker 1: And also I've I've been in a lot of like
Speaker 1: ongoing long term relationships while also doing sex work. So
Speaker 1: it's for me, it's we've been able to navigate that.
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a partner that was like I
Speaker 1: feel like we have a lot of things, so like, well,
Speaker 1: what did you do when he was mad? But can
Speaker 1: you tell this someone that like celebrated it? I was
Speaker 1: excited about it for you. Yeah, I was dating this guy.
Speaker 1: He you know, and in retrospect, like he should have
Speaker 1: been a Well, there's a couple of people. I had
Speaker 1: one person who should have been a one night stand
Speaker 1: and wanted being four years. Yeah, we all listen, A
Speaker 1: discern is a lot. But I had I had somebody
Speaker 1: that I dated for a while who was really hype about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, everything I was doing. Like I met him
Speaker 1: at a time when I was starting to write, when
Speaker 1: I was starting to do college lectures, when I was
Speaker 1: starting to do when I was with the Punani poets,
Speaker 1: Like it's like, you know, what are your lecture? Um,
Speaker 1: I leo sure about? You know? Well, usually it's anything
Speaker 1: and everything happened to do with porn and sex work,
Speaker 1: particularly around my career. I do some stuff about finance,
Speaker 1: like I've done. I've taught a class on economics and
Speaker 1: sex work at U c l A. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you that because you brought up n f T.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if at any point, and this
Speaker 1: could be brief, but if you ever thought to make
Speaker 1: any of your porn and n f T and if
Speaker 1: that was a conversation and there's yeah, there's a few
Speaker 1: of them. Um I have. I'm not quite there yet
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to figure out what kinds of additional
Speaker 1: features people will get with the n f T s
Speaker 1: that I already have some content that's laid out and
Speaker 1: then set for that. Did you Yeah, I'm made one
Speaker 1: on TV with Sham Boody. It was for fee, so
Speaker 1: Shan filmed my feet smashing into tacos. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: And then I brought on and Dunlap if anyone wants
Speaker 1: to watch it this episode eight and I brought it
Speaker 1: me and Dunlap, who's called the Master Investor, and I
Speaker 1: was like, tell me what to do and he was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, bro. So we had to name the
Speaker 1: page go on the site. But the thing that I
Speaker 1: didn't like about it there was a tangible item which
Speaker 1: would have been the food itself feet in some people
Speaker 1: make it panties whatever. But for me, the reason I
Speaker 1: wasn't a fan of it is because you get actual
Speaker 1: like different currency, right, you get something called polk ins.
Speaker 1: So whatever the site has that's selling the porn n
Speaker 1: f T, it's its own currency. And for me, I
Speaker 1: want to do an actual dollar exchange or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that I was gonna donate it,
Speaker 1: but then it ended up not going out. But I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, when I was thinking about it, if
Speaker 1: I donated my feet for charity, what the fuck? They? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a I have a hard time with it
Speaker 1: with n f T is because of the fact that
Speaker 1: crypto is is so like you know, it's so volatile,
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's like for me, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: if I sell this to somebody for two dollars and
Speaker 1: then by the time I get ready to transfer the money,
Speaker 1: it's only worth like fifty dollars, then what did I
Speaker 1: just do? Like I'd rather just take the stock drop
Speaker 1: right like, And that's and that's real, Like, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's one of the big problems that I have with
Speaker 1: Like everybody keeps talking about crypto and and n f
Speaker 1: T s as a way of being able to circumvent
Speaker 1: the issues with MasterCard and Visa. But it's like not
Speaker 1: everybody has that's not a viable option for people. But
Speaker 1: we also talking about market rates. Is their market rates
Speaker 1: for pussy and how did you how did how are
Speaker 1: those rates looking like today? Like you talked about what
Speaker 1: the blow jobs are imporn, but in terms of sugaring
Speaker 1: or escorting, like what are like the market rates? I
Speaker 1: mean the mart the market rates that depends it value.
Speaker 1: It varies depending on your location. Right, So in New
Speaker 1: York is high New York in DC is high. But
Speaker 1: I was living in l A. I used to fly
Speaker 1: back and forth once a month, like just so that
Speaker 1: I could I would make all my money haven't expensive.
Speaker 1: L A don't care about black people. That's where they're
Speaker 1: are not interested in black women. Like I mean, there's
Speaker 1: some like come to New York and they want so
Speaker 1: many black areas are war Hive taught me that, Like
Speaker 1: I was kind of on that ship too, but then
Speaker 1: like I learned Black l A. And now that I
Speaker 1: just stick to it, I'm like it's differed about park
Speaker 1: Is Baldwin Hills it's fucking west out of I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's there's there's you get a few people, you know,
Speaker 1: you get you know a lot of celebrities, athletes, you know,
Speaker 1: you get your There's a small percentage of black you
Speaker 1: know wealth in l A that is also interested in
Speaker 1: spending money on sex workers, on black sex workers. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they're really looking for people who are more
Speaker 1: who are more light skin, more ethnically ambiguous, Like they're
Speaker 1: not looking for black women. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm a black woman, so they're not they're not really
Speaker 1: checking for me. But if I go to Atlanta, Atlanta,
Speaker 1: the guys are looking to spend less money, Like they
Speaker 1: want to spend between five hundred and eight hundred. You know,
Speaker 1: they might want to do a half hour because if
Speaker 1: your raid is a thousand, they want to try or
Speaker 1: eight hundreds, they want to do a half hour just
Speaker 1: so that they can try to like you know, navigate
Speaker 1: how they they can they can try to get in
Speaker 1: there um and like I don't do I used to
Speaker 1: do half hours because I want to be able to
Speaker 1: see black men, but I don't do that anymore because
Speaker 1: it's like a half hour is not a half hour.
Speaker 1: A half hour is really like forty five minutes. So
Speaker 1: because we gotta have a conversation, we gotta get to
Speaker 1: know each other, we gotta catch a vibe. And even then,
Speaker 1: like for a lot of them, because these they're fans,
Speaker 1: they've been watching me in porn for so long, they
Speaker 1: get intimidated and they get like anxiety, you know, performing anxiety,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not gonna be sitting here second
Speaker 1: you a dick for forty minutes. That's not my job.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's my job. Like, that's got my job.
Speaker 1: I actually I wondered that was like sex workers are
Speaker 1: point actress is like I would see it a lot
Speaker 1: on Twitter when they'll like put their city dates and
Speaker 1: I've always took taken that is like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: like sex workers ship. I'm in the tour, you know
Speaker 1: what I I mean. Don't think the name now what the
Speaker 1: city that they are with the dates, But it's my
Speaker 1: mind has n y C. Like like yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but but like New York, d C, Boston. The rate,
Speaker 1: the going rate is between like a thousand and fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred an hour. Um, some people will do half hours.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of younger women now who are
Speaker 1: doing you know, like a two or three hour minimum
Speaker 1: or a dinner date you know, dinner date minimum. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those people are tend to
Speaker 1: be people who also are probably have a day job
Speaker 1: or so then you know, or they're you know, they
Speaker 1: don't have to have the um, they don't have to
Speaker 1: do volume, right, you know. But you do see some
Speaker 1: people who you know are willing to you know, to
Speaker 1: book still for five hundred you know, four hundred, five hundred,
Speaker 1: six hundred an hour because they can make it up
Speaker 1: in volume. Yeah, do you have a maxim dickts in
Speaker 1: a day? One a day, one a day just then,
Speaker 1: And I don't even like, is it the energy? It's
Speaker 1: the energy I'm grown like, I don't really I don't
Speaker 1: have that. I don't have the energy to do all
Speaker 1: that I wasna saying it more than his money. It's
Speaker 1: like you just feel like I need to have other
Speaker 1: ships and also like and also it's hard, it's hard
Speaker 1: now that i'm you know, now that I'm doing like
Speaker 1: i'm you know, my as a community organizer. I'm constantly
Speaker 1: happy to switch back and forth between my sex work
Speaker 1: brain and my like educator, my educator brain and so
Speaker 1: like you know, last week I had a call with
Speaker 1: the l County Health Department about doing a monkey Pops
Speaker 1: vaccine clinic and Medicaid enrollment program, like like we're gonna
Speaker 1: actually get because the work that we do with a
Speaker 1: Bipop Collective, we have a lot of people who do
Speaker 1: up to us for financial assistance and they're looking for
Speaker 1: money for med's therapy hrt s like you know, like
Speaker 1: things like that, and it's like we can only give
Speaker 1: out so much money like we have. If we give
Speaker 1: give somebody five hundred dollars and they're unhoused, like that
Speaker 1: money is not gonna or or if they need groceries
Speaker 1: and meds like that, that ship is not gonna go.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go fast, and they're still gonna need meds
Speaker 1: next month, Like do you know what I'm saying? So
Speaker 1: I was, you know, it's it's a long term manifestation
Speaker 1: for me, like I've been wanting to do a Medicaid
Speaker 1: enrollment program for a while, and they reached out to
Speaker 1: us about the vaccine resistance around monkey poks, which I
Speaker 1: was like, you know at the time, you had to
Speaker 1: have like what was it, um you had to identify
Speaker 1: it from you had you had to be a man
Speaker 1: or a trans person who has sex with men who
Speaker 1: also was having commercial sex, anonymous sex or was on housed.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, in the you can't. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna reach black and brown men if they're not
Speaker 1: out as being as being gay and you're asking trans
Speaker 1: people to to like disclose at their trend so and
Speaker 1: and also how about like the sex world women who
Speaker 1: assist women who are sex workers, or the black, black
Speaker 1: and brown women who because of cultural stigma, don't know
Speaker 1: that they're having sex with somebody who's Yes. I'm working
Speaker 1: with the Florida Health Department for an event on October
Speaker 1: seven in Orlando. It's called Risky. It's a dinner seven
Speaker 1: to nine for AIDS awareness, all women, no men. And
Speaker 1: I remember when I, you know, got the offer. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, yeah, that I'm like, but honestly,
Speaker 1: when do women talk about it? Hey, it's awareness? You know,
Speaker 1: we we don't we don't, you know, like we're talking
Speaker 1: about it amongst our gay friends generally because maybe either
Speaker 1: we're having more experience with them being aware about it
Speaker 1: or being on TREP and things like that. But we
Speaker 1: don't talk about this ship. We don't talk about it
Speaker 1: at all. And that's and for me, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was talking to them, I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is something that we've been wanting to do.
Speaker 1: If you have access to to medicaid navigators, you know,
Speaker 1: enrollment navigators, and you can bring them to the table,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of sex workers don't know
Speaker 1: that they could qualify for medicaid based on how much
Speaker 1: they mean. Because you know, it's like we talk about
Speaker 1: only fans, but it's like the average person is only
Speaker 1: making a hundred and twenty dollars a month on only fans.
Speaker 1: So you you make me want to talk about something.
Speaker 1: You guys, remember the I G model think her name
Speaker 1: is Gianna that got HIV really badly. I wrote a
Speaker 1: comment on Hollywood Unlocked. Basically she was talking about she
Speaker 1: even raped a few times and she was homeless and
Speaker 1: people were like, well, how did you not know you
Speaker 1: had HIV so long? And when of the compas said
Speaker 1: this thing, I said, Yo, a lot of people she's like,
Speaker 1: how could you not go get tested? I'm like, a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't have access like that. And when
Speaker 1: I say access, I don't just mean insurance. People are like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a free clinic, like the access to and understand
Speaker 1: think about what this podcast does. How people now figure
Speaker 1: out we've shouted out the dino that we went to
Speaker 1: bro Like, people are not really experiencing relationships, friendships or
Speaker 1: communities where you're learning about how to get healthcare accent
Speaker 1: as a real fucking thing. So when you're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: so and so I can walk into a free spot,
Speaker 1: people don't even think this is real sometimes, like they
Speaker 1: don't know how to do it. And and it's like
Speaker 1: you have you to go into those free clinics. It's
Speaker 1: like you're you're talking about you know, the you know
Speaker 1: the cost of being poor, right, It's like you might
Speaker 1: have to be in a free clinic for like ten
Speaker 1: hours just to get tested. Nobody has ten hours to
Speaker 1: be there. Like when I was on this this Monkey
Speaker 1: Pop's call, the woman was talking about like it's like
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, you have to have a computer
Speaker 1: to go online to to schedule for an appointment and
Speaker 1: then we send you a text message. And I was like,
Speaker 1: so you're expecting the people to have act the internet
Speaker 1: and a laptop ana phone and have their phone on
Speaker 1: all the time, Like how like people don't like there's
Speaker 1: there's times when because I don't have I don't have
Speaker 1: my my phone service set up on on auto pay
Speaker 1: right because I don't like to for money to just
Speaker 1: disappear from my bank account. So it's like, but there
Speaker 1: are times when I'll wake up and I'll be like, oh, funk,
Speaker 1: I forgot to pay the phone bill, Like let me,
Speaker 1: let me pay it real quick. And it's like, but
Speaker 1: I have means to be able to do that. What
Speaker 1: about people who don't have that means? Like you're expecting
Speaker 1: them to have this access for when you finally decide
Speaker 1: to get around to to texting them about an appointment.
Speaker 1: But also the way they were like doing specifically, like
Speaker 1: the weird and how you identify sexuality wise, that was
Speaker 1: why this summer, especially because New York it was hot
Speaker 1: out here, I didn't really go to the sex club
Speaker 1: because even lifestyle and being that it was something that
Speaker 1: just touched to touch a lot of the clubs that
Speaker 1: I go to, they don't ask you if you're straight.
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of people that are queer.
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with men and women and again so even
Speaker 1: lifestyle wise, you don't know what straighter gay is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be problematic. It's problematic one too, even if they
Speaker 1: are straight and not gay, that doesn't guarantee that we
Speaker 1: won't get monkey pox. And I think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a huge surge in the hetero community. Is everybody just gaming, Well,
Speaker 1: they set it down so they are getting in control
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I mean, I mean it's it's hard.
Speaker 1: But but but to go back to the original question
Speaker 1: about like, how do I you know like the way
Speaker 1: that I because I don't. I see fewer clients these
Speaker 1: days than I than I used to. So I might
Speaker 1: see somebody, you know, I have this one person that
Speaker 1: I'm seeing once a month and then I have an
Speaker 1: and and that's you know, somebody might reach out to me.
Speaker 1: But I'm really picky, like I have I have protocols. UM.
Speaker 1: So I run people I get, do a full background check,
Speaker 1: I do a criminal background check. I run them through
Speaker 1: the sex offender registry. UM, because I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I know that the person that I'm that's
Speaker 1: gonna see me is not violent. Um. You know, at
Speaker 1: least on paper, you have to pay to do that yourself. UM.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of resources that I they're they're not.
Speaker 1: I'll send you some some stuff ex curious for the
Speaker 1: ballpark for people that will may like like like twenty
Speaker 1: dollars a month for one platform. And then there's Blacklist.
Speaker 1: There's like there's like um go on and they share
Speaker 1: like information about about bad A lot of those wild
Speaker 1: A lot of them went away during the FATA, A
Speaker 1: lot of one away, but there are still options out there.
Speaker 1: Um So I do that, and then I also, like
Speaker 1: I look at their social media because sometimes I don't
Speaker 1: use social media for screening, um alone, but I do
Speaker 1: look at social media because I want to get an
Speaker 1: idea of who this person is, right, because people they
Speaker 1: you know, they show their ass on social media, like
Speaker 1: the comments. I look through their their tweet, their tweet,
Speaker 1: their replies, I look through the types of stuff that
Speaker 1: they're liking, you know. And and then I also I
Speaker 1: take a deposit, and you know, I take a thirty
Speaker 1: percent deposit because I just because I'm not gonna waste
Speaker 1: my time getting ready for somebody to cancel, to cancel
Speaker 1: or no show. And and it's a nonrefundable deposit. They
Speaker 1: get one time within three months to rebook um. And
Speaker 1: I also need proof of COVID vacs, you know, vaccine
Speaker 1: also because because we're still you know, COVID is still
Speaker 1: in these streets. You know what I'm saying. This is amazing,
Speaker 1: Honestly with you. I think a lot of men just
Speaker 1: think when they see that someone's putting their city or
Speaker 1: dates that they're like cool, like look me up and see.
Speaker 1: I get mad people who will tell me that that's
Speaker 1: what I'm asking for is too much, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: let me go to somebody else. Then go to somebody else,
Speaker 1: because you know, like, fortunately I make you comfortable, like
Speaker 1: make me comfortable. And I tell guys this all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know who I am. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, and I'm still a woman. You're you're a man,
Speaker 1: Like you're asking me and we're about to be alone.
Speaker 1: We're about to be alone. You should want me to
Speaker 1: be comfortable. You should want because really a lot of
Speaker 1: the screening for me is about compliance. If you're willing
Speaker 1: to give me the information that I asked for with
Speaker 1: no problems, we don't have to go back and forth.
Speaker 1: You're just like, here you go. Oh, here's the screening
Speaker 1: for him. Here you go, and they just you just
Speaker 1: do whatever I ask. Then I'm more likely to want
Speaker 1: to see you because now you made you made this
Speaker 1: a lot easier. But you should want me to be comfortable.
Speaker 1: You want it goes away for a moment. I think
Speaker 1: Ben will realize that I had a guide tell me
Speaker 1: recently that I sucked years ago. He said, uh, I
Speaker 1: don't even remember doing this. When we were in Miami
Speaker 1: and he said that there was like a two bedroom
Speaker 1: sweet and I said, are you sure no one's in here?
Speaker 1: And I opened the door to check when he was
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. I remember he was like, are you
Speaker 1: trying to look through my stuff? I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he told me because I ran into him your later,
Speaker 1: it was super what weeken I saw. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know what makes me think you every time girls
Speaker 1: come to my house, I'll be trying to make sure
Speaker 1: they know nobody else in here. Is like, do you
Speaker 1: want them to feel comfortable? That was like the highest
Speaker 1: compliment because because ship like that happens, like you know,
Speaker 1: there's there are there's always that situation where somebody is
Speaker 1: trying to set a woman up on some bullshit, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, especially sex workers, especially if
Speaker 1: you are a substance user. It's like and and women
Speaker 1: should be checking like you should just the same way
Speaker 1: that you if you put your glass down in the
Speaker 1: club walk away up. I was at the Box last
Speaker 1: night and it's fashion week, so if the club is backed,
Speaker 1: there's a dark room in the box where everybody does drugs.
Speaker 1: I could hear a girl. This guy was like, do
Speaker 1: you want to do a bump? And she's like bump
Speaker 1: of what? And he's like, oh, it's coke. She was
Speaker 1: like can you do it first? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I had a lot, and she was like I'm good,
Speaker 1: and the girl walked out. I was like, you, that's right,
Speaker 1: all right. But like if the dude like you're it
Speaker 1: wants you to do drugs with him, I won't do
Speaker 1: the drugs. I was like, yo, shout out to this speech.
Speaker 1: And I remember starting at the guy all night wondering like, oh,
Speaker 1: should I like watch the women? But now I've also drunk,
Speaker 1: so I'm getting my mom break on. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: make sure these girls don't make sure they're okay, but
Speaker 1: but like, can you just imagine just thinking you're having
Speaker 1: a good time going to a do the hotel room
Speaker 1: with Bama and other dude comes out to That's what
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, or a group of dude because
Speaker 1: that happens to I appreciate you like sharing with everyone
Speaker 1: a lot of tips for sex work. And also like
Speaker 1: obviously I know, I mean the outline so we never
Speaker 1: get to it, but talking about porn, what would you
Speaker 1: say before the internet is before the internet before it's
Speaker 1: sucking nuts, it's nuts, you know, and it's funny because
Speaker 1: you know, I remember I did a UM, I did
Speaker 1: an event with UM Vanessa del Rio UM here in
Speaker 1: New York, one of my first big trips to New York,
Speaker 1: and we were having a conversation about what it was
Speaker 1: like when she first arted in the seventies and the
Speaker 1: going rate Jesus at that time was in that was
Speaker 1: a lot. That was a lot back. But also not
Speaker 1: because you know, the porn industry is one of the
Speaker 1: few forms of sex of entertainment that does not have residuals.
Speaker 1: So people like Vanessa Del Rio or Genie Pepper, you know,
Speaker 1: who are still alive, who are you know, in their
Speaker 1: sixties or or older. They are their movies are on
Speaker 1: the Internet, and they're not getting any money from that, right,
Speaker 1: So people are that's the crazies about the craziest only
Speaker 1: fans scale Now we can like now you can monetize
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a subscription. But it's the same
Speaker 1: thing that's happening, like get our dollars back the dollars
Speaker 1: it's but it's happening now with the Internet, Like actors
Speaker 1: are actually not seeing residuals anymore if they're going if
Speaker 1: they're shooting streaming, anything on streaming, So anything that you
Speaker 1: shoot on Netflix, anything that you shoot on HBO Max,
Speaker 1: any of those streaming platforms, if you're on there, you're
Speaker 1: not getting the residuals. Like say everyone who was on
Speaker 1: Family Matters or The Cosby Show and all these they're
Speaker 1: still getting checks to his day. Yeah, and it's and
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I mean like the you know Napster,
Speaker 1: when Napster attacked the music industry and the porn industry simultaneously,
Speaker 1: the music industry was suing. I remember there was a
Speaker 1: case where they sued some teenage boy in Seattle for
Speaker 1: like a million dollars. Right, the porn industry was so
Speaker 1: cocky that they thought that they would never be impacted
Speaker 1: by by by budget and by the Internet. And and
Speaker 1: as a result, porn Hub X two, exits x two,
Speaker 1: Red tub the Creator and now they have their own
Speaker 1: creative platforms. But they had to because of the mass
Speaker 1: pushback of you're not paying people, this is all stolen content. Yeah,
Speaker 1: porn stars at one point all just started making their
Speaker 1: own website. So we're like, like I remember, and that
Speaker 1: was probably like the late two thousand's where I started
Speaker 1: seeing porn stars say, hey, don't watch any of my
Speaker 1: porn on any of these sy please come to my
Speaker 1: actual website and purchased through me, because I guess at
Speaker 1: money is kind of nuts. Like I just was thinking
Speaker 1: for a second, you know, I was just really excited
Speaker 1: because we talked to so many only fans, girls and
Speaker 1: sex workers, and I'm like, damn, someone that's been through
Speaker 1: it all, as I know a lot of this ship
Speaker 1: you talking about, I can't leave. We lived through the yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also it's like changed every decade it I mean,
Speaker 1: I was one of the first black women with a
Speaker 1: solo model website back Yeah, and and and I owned
Speaker 1: a webcam company and get it was. It was so
Speaker 1: crazy because we used to have to teach I would
Speaker 1: teach models to to move in a way that would
Speaker 1: allow it to so it wouldn't be trying, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like yeah exactly because we were running a T
Speaker 1: one line into my guest house. But the on the
Speaker 1: other end, there were people who were still on twenty
Speaker 1: eight dialogue. Yeah, but that wasn't that long ago. That's
Speaker 1: what we were like this like real flow was a
Speaker 1: white Why did we get into this? Where her fact?
Speaker 1: This is nuts? Yeah okay, but but we really had
Speaker 1: to like we had to teach models how to move
Speaker 1: kind of like so that on the other end it
Speaker 1: would look fluid when they downloaded it. That we have
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Speaker 1: so very much for joining us, This was amazing. Appreciate
Speaker 1: you so much. That's so much hope. Did you guys,
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode as well. Um and this has Vin
Speaker 1: yet again another episode of poor decisions by y'all, like, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so who knows, maybe I'll meet a hot Spotify exactly now.
Speaker 1: That's honestly the only reason I kind of like go
Speaker 1: into events, because I'd just be like, who am I
Speaker 1: gonna meet? Because I realized, and I'm gonna say it
Speaker 1: before we get to Vanillashi because it's a good one.
Speaker 1: I'd be fucking with a lot of niggas that aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily well to do. And we had this conversation altogether
Speaker 1: after the link up, uh huh. We all want to eat,
Speaker 1: and I was talking about how I feel i'd really
Speaker 1: be broke niggas and Brent was like, I think that's
Speaker 1: because you just like feel like you don't have time
Speaker 1: for niggas with money because they're so used to bitches
Speaker 1: working hard for them, right, And he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: get Kevin Samuel's on me at all. He was like,
Speaker 1: but it's not like you don't want dudes to take
Speaker 1: care of ship for you. He's like, so, why do
Speaker 1: you think it's attractive? On the other side, and I
Speaker 1: that I think that I'm low key attracted to guys
Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily the castanova of the crew because they're
Speaker 1: not scared to show how much they like me. Like
Speaker 1: sometimes when like rich dudes are athlete, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I'm not saying they don't you trying
Speaker 1: to haul at me, but like we I mean we
Speaker 1: had this conversation literally just they don't. They really don't.
Speaker 1: But you said you wanted an industry because you thought
Speaker 1: it would be easier for an industry dude than of regulantly.
Speaker 1: So now it's the opposite. No, no, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: I still do. But I'm saying He's like, why do
Speaker 1: you think you've been like having these run ins with
Speaker 1: like you know, think about hospital dick or the skater
Speaker 1: dude or whatever. He's like, why do you think this
Speaker 1: is happening? And I said, I don't think industry dudes
Speaker 1: for rich niggas necessarily be the ones that give me
Speaker 1: the same energy. Like I like guys that like me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like if I when when
Speaker 1: someone's giving me that energy, I'm like, yeah, I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they got rich nigga's got too many options
Speaker 1: to where like Brianda's it's something to me that I
Speaker 1: really liked. She's been dating a lot, and she said,
Speaker 1: if I go on, if I have a date schedule
Speaker 1: to someone and they don't seem excited about the date
Speaker 1: or text me that day or screenshot the reservation, I cancel.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not really into someone that's gonna hit
Speaker 1: me up right before, Like I want someone that's on it.
Speaker 1: And she was like, because that's the energy that I'm
Speaker 1: actually interested in investing in. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: feel that that's a little dramatic, but I know what
Speaker 1: she's saying with that, because we all want someone that
Speaker 1: feels excited to see us and feels like they're lucky
Speaker 1: to be taking us out somewhere. But I got it.
Speaker 1: I do, especially if I say yes to going out
Speaker 1: with you. It's it's strange, maybe be just because I have,
Speaker 1: like I actually really hate my phone, so I like
Speaker 1: when it's literally just a hey, where you at, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pull up on you? Or Hey, what you're doing?
Speaker 1: Do you want to pull up on me? I realized
Speaker 1: you like that. I hate texting. I don't want it
Speaker 1: to get a text me on it because I don't
Speaker 1: respond No, I like, I like planned, and you I'm
Speaker 1: surprised you don't. You don't planned because you're a plan
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I like a plan date, but like,
Speaker 1: like I've literally been like and I've realized it's more
Speaker 1: like that. When I see I have free time, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, well, let's do lunch, like I've done that
Speaker 1: with Black Jesus, Like should I just finished recording and
Speaker 1: I'm stressed, and he'll be like, we'll pull up. I'm
Speaker 1: a Dumbo house, we'll eat here. That's that's that's our
Speaker 1: first date. You're talking about something different, But no, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I don't need the texting. I don't need
Speaker 1: the Hey, it's so excited to see you a reservation,
Speaker 1: like I know what's happening. I'm I realized how much
Speaker 1: of a non responder I am in text messages now
Speaker 1: because I really just hate my phone. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I was dating some you're dating Black Jesus already, so
Speaker 1: you guys can find talking to see each other. You
Speaker 1: don't like when men send you reservations? Seriously, No, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I'm talking about the texting screenshot
Speaker 1: at me and like the texting I've realized I am
Speaker 1: not in to whatsoever like all FaceTime you or we
Speaker 1: can link up to talk. I realized how minimal I am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mean I don't need a lot of threat.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about someone showing that they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I I agree if i'm if I have a date
Speaker 1: with someone Friday. Actually I did have a date last week.
Speaker 1: I went to the Short Stories Hotel or two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: The dude our date was at five around twelve, He's like, hey, Gila,
Speaker 1: looking forward, Um, I'll be there five where you are
Speaker 1: We still good? And I was like, oh, well, I
Speaker 1: like this Okay, Like I I do appreciate that, not
Speaker 1: on some like corporate worky ship, but I do think
Speaker 1: sometimes it's nice to feel like you know, you're you
Speaker 1: remembered me or I'm I'm not an afterthought. I guess, um, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something real quick that I
Speaker 1: didn't put in the outline. But I just found this
Speaker 1: on the Shade Room and I could not believe this bitch.
Speaker 1: Did you see the Erica Banks clip of her saying
Speaker 1: what she wants people to look like that go out
Speaker 1: with her? Now? Erica Bank is the girl that's a rapper,
Speaker 1: then you know what I'm saying for everybody else is
Speaker 1: you look. So someone recorded this from her close friends
Speaker 1: and they just posted this and this is what she said.
Speaker 1: This is basically what she was