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Speaker 1: Guess what decision We're about to make A horrible decisions. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you a little sweet horse. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Horrible Decision. Welcome y'all. I'm your girl adv a k A.

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Speaker 1: Pitt the Stallion a k A. Pagan Marko a k A.

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Speaker 1: Mandy Baskins a k A dead motherfucking bitch in the

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Speaker 1: motherfucker City. What's up, y'all, I'm Wheezy. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another episode today. Our guest is very legendary legend daddy.

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Speaker 1: We have Cinnamon Love in the building. Ya. Do you

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Speaker 1: still go by Cinnamon Love for your sex ed work? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I still go by Cinnamon Love. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bit trying to rebrand. I mean it's been twenty

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Speaker 1: nine years. I think the rebrand was adding the last

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Speaker 1: name Love, like eight years in. But I've been doing

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Speaker 1: the ship for twenty nine years, Like there is no rebrand.

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Speaker 1: So I've known your name for a long time because

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're obviously such a well known adult film actress,

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Speaker 1: but also most recently you work in sex education. What

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Speaker 1: do you do? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, um, so I've

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Speaker 1: been teaching people how to rethink their pleasure, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are super hyper focused

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Speaker 1: on on using porn as sex ed, but they forget

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Speaker 1: that what they're watching is they did it. It's not

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Speaker 1: a fake, like it's really Have you read that book

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Speaker 1: Your Brain on Porn? I have not read the book

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Speaker 1: Your Brain? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I know what you're talking about. Someone sentence to

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Speaker 1: me a shout out to Miko, and it's funny because

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Speaker 1: it's a dude I worked with, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is weird. Does anythink I'm an addict? But it

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Speaker 1: was so interesting to read because it was just talking

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Speaker 1: about one of the things I mentioned a horrible lot,

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Speaker 1: how much more we need when watching porn, And I

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Speaker 1: realized I do that, Like if I'm watching maybe too

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Speaker 1: like lesbians, just them, Suddenly I need them to be

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Speaker 1: more aggressive than I get into some weird porn ship.

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Speaker 1: Then it's like boom boom boom. It just levels up

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Speaker 1: and my porn can't be normal anymore. Like watching gay

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Speaker 1: porn is why I like eating Nigga booty is so bad.

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Speaker 1: I love eating because I don't chapter just because I don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was filled with the pink dick so

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Speaker 1: it'd be like beautiful, my little brown chocolate starfish. But

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Speaker 1: I know it's because I've grown like more of a

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Speaker 1: they're also like masculine. I don't have those hangups of

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Speaker 1: of men not knowing how to clean. I'm also friends

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Speaker 1: straight men just don't know how to wipe as is

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Speaker 1: them taking some big old dick, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I fu niggas that takes showers and I love right,

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Speaker 1: like like if I walk into your house and you're

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Speaker 1: your bathroom is filthy, I'm not gonna take my clothes

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Speaker 1: off the toilet the toilet like did you guys? Yes?

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Speaker 1: For the girls were sharing? Guy, Yes, here's the way

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Speaker 1: both thread and you know what, let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: because you've been around the block, let me know, did

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Speaker 1: you mean that like it sounds because you know? So,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you. Then, in dating and before having

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Speaker 1: what are things that you will see that will be like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm not gonna I'm gonna love I'm

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Speaker 1: the hard towel in the bathroom, the hard towel, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, you're like I know exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, Like like that hasn't

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Speaker 1: But after being embarrassed her. That's also there's a difference

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Speaker 1: I was like laughing about I saw people on Twitter

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Speaker 1: So they're going down the stairs and they're dressed so

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Speaker 1: But don't worry, Dad, You're right. I was like, just on.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, like really, it has nothing to do with money.

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Speaker 1: So I I know about you from the era of

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Speaker 1: Naming like a bunch of people that I used to manage?

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Speaker 1: Urban I Candy Um. All of these people that you're naming,

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Speaker 1: So when I came in, I looked like I was

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Speaker 1: Was that something that you were okay knowing that this

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Speaker 1: Legacy studios. Stormy used to do that. Yeah, Stormy, everybody

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Speaker 1: used to do that. So because you would go dance

427
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: with you, you would shoot for these companies so you

428
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: could get box covers, and then the box covers would

429
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: allow you to go back to the strip clubs to feature.

430
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,719
Speaker 1: I like to describe like for people who don't understand

431
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: what that means. You know, it's like when when a

432
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: when a rapper tours, you know, you know, tours, like yeah,

433
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, that that's kind of the way that

434
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: that's the way that the feature dancer could work. So

435
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: but the thing is like you don't need that anymore.

436
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: You don't need a box cover because Instagram is your

437
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: box cover, right, So whereas before you had some still

438
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: the same thing though, because only fans of just the

439
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: strip club now where you can make that money, You

440
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: make the money and it's your own. But it's like,

441
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: you know't but if you can do the social media

442
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: marketing and you get the followers, why do you need

443
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: to shoot for a company to get a box cover?

444
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: You don't what were the rates like back then, because

445
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: he said, a top girl today is getting So when

446
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: I started, the going rate for like, you would get

447
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: a lot of money, like fifteen hundreds to two thousand

448
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: for your first couple of scenes, and then after that,

449
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: like the you know, blow job scenes were like three

450
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollars five girls, five hundred dollars for you know,

451
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: five eight hundred for a for a boy girl scene.

452
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: Girl girl scenes were usually a little bit less um

453
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: but then you you know, when I think about you know,

454
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: annal scenes would be like maybe twelve to fifteen or

455
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. But it's and then you

456
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: go up depending on how the game the game thing,

457
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: the most you've made, and was that like your most

458
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: brutal the most of you ever did. Ghetto Gaggers, I

459
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: did not do ghetto Gaggers. And because they're racist, let's

460
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: talk about hetto Gagers. Yeah, so Ghetto Gaggers is a

461
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: They are a company that is run by white men.

462
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: They also they have another website called Latina Abuse, and

463
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: they basically they basically like they they they consider themselves

464
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: extreme hardcore porn, but really what they do is they

465
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: fly women in from wherever they are on like overnight flights.

466
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: They get them to a studio in they take them

467
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: straight to the studio in the middle of Bfi, Jersey.

468
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: They have them, they don't get them checked into a

469
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: hotel first, and then they put them in these in

470
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: these compromising position. Was like they're they're giving them pizza

471
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: and like like stuff that's really greasy, and then they

472
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: have they film them going through their checklist of all

473
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: the different things that they're okay with and the things

474
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: that they're interested in doing, and then they start shooting

475
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: this scene. Right, so the woman is already signed a

476
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: release form with a full stomach, and they have them.

477
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: They shoot these scenes with them where they are literally

478
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: just trying to make them throw up. And so I've

479
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: seen I've seen scenes where they had a girl throw

480
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: up in the in a dog bowl and then poured

481
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: it on her head, right, and it's and it's it's

482
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: it's really you can tell like even if somebody's interested

483
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: in hardcore, really hardcore extreme like b D s M,

484
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: that you can see the look on someone's face in

485
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: their videos when they go from options are like making

486
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: the bitch cry like yeah, and it's so far and

487
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: you can see that where they go from I'm okay

488
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: with this too, I'm scared, like what the fun did

489
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: I get what I signed up for? And because they

490
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: flown them out, they don't have a hotel room there.

491
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: It's like they don't check them into the hotel until

492
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: after the scene is over. So they're literally like, you know,

493
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: it's it's coercion. Okay. I have to tell you guys

494
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: about how why I asked about Gett Gregers. I was

495
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: asked to do a short docum memory series on violence

496
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: important and this was a few months ago, right after

497
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: shooting Sex Cell season two. So I was like, oh,

498
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: ghetto gaggers is the worst I've ever seen. We've got

499
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: to talk about that. All of them are going to

500
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: be a little bit older to where they could probably

501
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: talk about it and be done with it right. I

502
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: had to go through the site to find the girls

503
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: that I wanted to work with. I could not even

504
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: finish it. And I said, you know, I'm not the

505
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: first thing to this. It was supposed to be educational

506
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: and um, no, no no, no, the doctor we're making which

507
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: it was, I'm sure, but I was like, I don't

508
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: think I could do it. It was taking me to

509
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: a place that was. So it's difficult, and you're right,

510
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: do you watch this? I don't even know how it's

511
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: still up. And you know, it's crazy how cancel culture exists, right,

512
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: you think about this Tiffany Hattish already spirits thing that's

513
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: going on? How did this kid exist? It's gone. Now

514
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen to ghetto gaggers. I don't know when

515
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. I don't, but I found a girl

516
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to interview, started watching it. The look, the comments,

517
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: how they increasingly enjoyed her getting more upset. Oh my god, bro, Like,

518
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know how it's still illegal. And now

519
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: dog fart is a company ship, so I like Bukaki porn.

520
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: So when I type it in, I find a lot

521
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: of dog part which is literally then wearing Confederate flag shirts,

522
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: sucking women on trash cans. Like it's so they tried

523
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: to get me to shoot for that Confederate flag shirt,

524
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: like seeing like it's like a it's like a blow

525
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: bang with the guys wearing Confederate Confederate flag t shirt

526
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: and they use black women and they use black women

527
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I'm not doing that actually,

528
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you about that, because you're

529
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: coming in as the girl next door, a petito, a

530
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: more petite body, not not mean making it worries, but

531
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: a more petite body. Did you start off with white men,

532
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: because we've all and we've talked to porn stars that

533
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: said that they stayed there because once you sucked a

534
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: black man in porn, your right would down. Did you

535
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: experience that as well coming in early on or what

536
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: was that? So two things. The reason why a lot

537
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: of white women wait to shoot with black men later

538
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: is because back in the eighties and the nineties, when

539
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: when white performers would have to also do the feature

540
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: dance circuit, most of the strip clubs that would have

541
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: like chains of stores, so like deja vu, a lot

542
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: of their stores would be across the Bible Belt and

543
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: across the Midwest. Okay, if you were a white performer,

544
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: you could not tour those strip clubs across the Bible Belt.

545
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: They wouldn't book you because if you had had sex

546
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: with a black guy. So all over the internet all yes, exactly,

547
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: I've got a black eye in some places. It's not

548
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: in some place like that, but but don't be Yeah,

549
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: but don't black guy, and so and so a lot

550
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: of like when I came in, a lot of the

551
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: women were told. The white women were told if even

552
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: if they were sucking black guys in their personal life,

553
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: even if their boyfriend was black, they were told to

554
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: wait and hold their first scene with a black guy

555
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: for later when their career would start to like ebb

556
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: and flow like so that way they could they could

557
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: charge the most money for their first scene with a

558
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: black guy. Right so, and actually up until when the

559
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: porn industry had its Black Lives Matter moment, which is

560
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: a whole another conversation, but that we it was up

561
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: until then that there was an industry wide decision to

562
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: not charge, like to not allow agents to charge more

563
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: money for a white girl's first scene with a black

564
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: which is nuts. And doing that now with with gay

565
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: men that if you talk, the longer you talk, the

566
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: more the fans want to see you the bottom and

567
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: so like I know, so like I'll go on because

568
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: because I followed them all to bring them all. Now

569
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: not all of them live here, but we were talking

570
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: about that. Well one wasn't Vegas. We we gotta work

571
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: I know a few and now zeus then hired them

572
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: all to fucking fall in love with Bobby life. But

573
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: now all is getting famous and I'm like, I don't

574
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: want to hear you talk. I just wanted to see you,

575
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: Bence Ober. But they were telling me how even if

576
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: they're versed in real life, the longer they stay a

577
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: top and gay porn, the higher the higher they can

578
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: charge whenever they do bottom. Like literally I watched one

579
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: guy do it and they added all the like the

580
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Speaker 1: thematic music of the dick finally going in this tops

581
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Speaker 1: as and it's crazy, it is I haven't saved, you know.

582
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: So you know what's so crazy is that, Like when

583
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: I came in, it's like, you know, there there was

584
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: no equivalent to the black dick rate for black women.

585
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: There's none. It's like you basically, as a black woman,

586
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: you're expected to come in or Latina, you're expected to

587
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: come in doing everything right. So you know, even you

588
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: couldn't say no. I mean that's not that you can't

589
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: say no, but it's there's just an expectation. It's of

590
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: course people ask you like what you know, do you

591
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: do anal to you do tps or to YouTube, group

592
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: text like you know, all of these they ask you

593
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: what you do. But there's no different, there's no there's

594
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: no big you know, black dick rate for black women.

595
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: And the reason that black dick rate existed is because

596
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: there's this it's the stereotype of black men having bigger dicks. Yes,

597
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: even though you out or even though there's white guys

598
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: important that have big dicks, like do you know what

599
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm s James that was big. Manuel Ferrara has a

600
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: big has a big gas dick like you know, and

601
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: it's like, there's no, I was never all made a

602
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: white He's from white, not the spicy friends what I mean.

603
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: It's still now but they're well but but you know

604
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's like, there's no there's no there's

605
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: no special rate for him, there's no I've worked with

606
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: Rocoster Fred, there's no there's no big, special big dig

607
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: rate for to Funk Rocklessoffreddi and he has a huge dick,

608
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: you know. But so it's it's a there's a there

609
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: was always this this fucked up way that they would,

610
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, make it seem like it's like always just

611
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: because of the black guys, like and I did, like

612
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: I did a scene for Vivid with Shane Diesel and

613
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: Richard Mann two the on once they got out of

614
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: their their individual contracts. I was shooting a scene for

615
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: Um for Um rough sex to for with Trisan Teremino,

616
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: and she was like, what's one thing that you want

617
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: to do? And I was like, I want to do

618
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: a hardcore b D s M scene with you know,

619
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: b D s M scene with hardcore sex with two

620
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: with you know, with a group of black guys. Right.

621
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: I wanted these two black guys who are known for

622
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: having the biggest dicks their whole careers. They were put

623
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: with only little, tiny, petite white girls, right because to

624
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: fit the stereotype. And I'm like, I want, I want

625
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: the big black tick. And I also I brought in

626
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: another black guy, this UM name Orpheus. I brought in Orpheus.

627
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: Orpheus was my Yeah, Orpheus was my was my top

628
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: for the scene. I created this really dope ass scene

629
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: where I was like, I wanted to do domestic service.

630
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: I had this latex French maid's outfit on with with

631
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Speaker 1: a like a d porn like you have to do

632
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: a porn treatment like film for some films. For some films,

633
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I love thee I love a story. So yeah, so

634
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: I had I had this um, I had this idea

635
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that I wanted the guys like all in like a

636
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, shirt collared shirts playing pool. I was gonna do,

637
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, be serving drinks and then I would fill

638
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: a drink on one of the guests so that my

639
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: top would have to discipline me. And then part of

640
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: the discipline was to loan me to his his boys.

641
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: You don't even want the money, now, I wanted. I

642
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: wanted the money too. I mean, you know, it's like

643
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I get turned on by by getting paid to have sex, right,

644
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: that's my everything around around me. But it was it

645
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: was really dope. So we got to do some knife

646
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: play and some fireplay and and also I got sucked

647
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: by Shane and you know and Richard, And it was

648
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: dope because here's two guys who are known for having

649
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: like they're like twelve plus inches and to be able

650
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: to I was like, I want to show that black

651
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: women can also do all of the big dirty thing. Yeah,

652
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: take dick, do all the dirty nasty ship like I mean,

653
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: my whole not even that the b d s M.

654
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Having black men engaging in DS is having black people

655
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: engaging and b d I mean, that's why we have

656
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: the show, because we oftentimes look at b d s

657
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: M and all those things kinks as white people should.

658
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: That's why we started the pod saying, and there are

659
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: so many black people they truly jined. I'm really wild

660
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: to like find that. And also I remember in an

661
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: episode were we interview this guy who was like, I

662
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: was telling this story about who someone tied me up

663
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: and blindfold of me. Was like, man, do that to you,

664
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know how difficult it is

665
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: like me and black men and them kind of wanted

666
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: them to get that way nowadays. Yeah, actually that was

667
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: only an episode six years ago. I actually think it's different.

668
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: It's different now. I think it's I think that, and

669
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I think that people like King and Jasmine have definitely

670
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: shut up the move that forward. I mean, there were

671
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: always people doing like black people doing, you know, involved

672
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: in the b DSM scene, But like when I shot

673
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: I was the very first person, like black person to

674
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: shoot for Kink dot com. That scene that you pulled

675
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: up with the fucking machine was for Kink that way

676
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: back in the day. But when and when I shot

677
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: for them, my first scene for them was actually with

678
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: the owner of the company because and he was he

679
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: pushed back so much about hiring me because he was

680
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: terrified of the of the social pushback of the black

681
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: of putting a black woman in bondage and and like

682
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, or in a cage, like he was really afraid.

683
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: Was there pushback though from hell? No, I don't know.

684
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there was. I got pushed back

685
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: on forums, like there were some some porn forums back

686
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: in the day where people, of course, we're like, oh,

687
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: she's setting the black race back fifty years, like nigga,

688
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: what like, how am I setting them? It's sex, It's

689
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: not like like I'm not. Actually, do you feel like

690
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: being I'm not somebody way conversation, the Mia Khalifa conversation.

691
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: Tell me more, tell anywhere. Actually, this is interesting. So

692
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: I talked about this with the mutual friend of ours,

693
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: that thing we were both asked to do. There there's

694
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: a platform that wanted to interview people about sex, and

695
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: they asked me what I thought of Mia Khalifa. But

696
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: they told me that earlier that day they were going

697
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: to talk to cinament. Oh. Yes, we said, I'm gonna

698
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: be honest with y'all. We all know mia Kalifa story already. Yeah,

699
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: she wore the heat job. It was only a few

700
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: scenes she did. Now she's a millionaire. People hated her.

701
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: They wanted to kill her, like not saying it's not

702
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: sucked up. But and you hearded this story where she

703
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: was on daytime television and now she's on only fans

704
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: And how are we not going to talk to the

705
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: black girl that is older than her with a longer

706
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: standing career. There's probably got more stories, bro. They were

707
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: all on the zoom feelings they talk about Yeah, no

708
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: they yeah, they told me. They told like why they

709
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: crossed her off the list after I said that, and

710
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: it's like something and then and then they people just

711
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: don't really they're not really conscious of Yeah, and then

712
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: and then they ghosted. But but that's another story for

713
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: another day. But but I think that there's you know,

714
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: people are always looking for this um They're looking for

715
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, stories that fit a certain narrative. And so

716
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: like for me, like, you know, I I that platform

717
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: like last year, and I actually told them when we

718
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: first got on the call that you know, I was

719
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: really glad that they reached out because last year they

720
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: did a show where they were regurgitating some very swarthy

721
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: language and some Christian conservative like talking points around how

722
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: porn harms women as if we are not women also

723
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: those of us who are doing this work. And it's like,

724
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't. They don't, people

725
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: don't understand where some of these misconceptions and you know

726
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: about porn come from. Right, You've got you have you know,

727
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: right wing Christian conservative organizations like Nicosi who swear that

728
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: if you are black or brown, or queer or trans

729
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: or disabled or poor, that you your your you know,

730
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: proximity to white supremacy makes it, you know, and you know,

731
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: systemic oppression makes it to where you can't actually choose

732
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: to do sex work. And it's like a lot of

733
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: are you saying that poor people can't don't have choice?

734
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Like you're saying that if you're and and what they're

735
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: basically doing is they're taking you know, like iconic black

736
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: feminist theory from like the Cahambie River Collective who who

737
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: who said that, you know, our intersexuality is in direct

738
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: relationship with capitalism, right, So and it's like, yes, that's true,

739
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that we don't have choice. Like

740
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: there's mad people who were survivors of sexual violence who

741
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: don't choose to go into sex work. There are people

742
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: who are poor who choose to work retail and or

743
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: work at McDonald's or whatever as opposed to going into

744
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: sex work. It's not it's your your your your proximity

745
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: to capital, Like we all have the right to survive

746
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: capitalism by any means flat necessary, Like do you know

747
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And it's like, so, why should that

748
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: not be a choice. It's like, there are a lot

749
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: of people who can't maintain traditional employment, can't find or

750
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: maintain traditional employment, or who just don't want to do

751
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: is a real thing, Like I've definitely felt, for one,

752
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: I've definitely had sex with someone for rent money and

753
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: not have wanted to do it. But I'm also a

754
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: hypocrite because I can remember the moments where I didn't

755
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: need to funk for money, but knowing that he was

756
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: gonna give me some money felt great and I great

757
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of agree with like being turned on by it.

758
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of moments like when I was thinking

759
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: back and we were having a conversation recently about you

760
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: know you talking through therapy. The two things I had

761
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: discovered through therapy, were one for giving myself for those

762
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: moments where I did have to funk for money, and

763
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: then the other ones where I was like the guilt

764
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: I had because I did kind of like it. Well,

765
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: and here's think I have. Here's here's the thing. Why

766
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: should you have to forgive yourself for the things that

767
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: you chose to do in order to survive capitalism? Right?

768
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Because you're the other option is what to be on

769
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: the street, Like do you know what I'm saying? Like,

770
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: there's you shouldn't have to forgive yourself for the choices

771
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: that you made. Nobody is going to tell somebody, Oh,

772
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, you should forgive yourself for when you had

773
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: to take that low pay, low wage job in order

774
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: for you to in order for you to your to

775
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: pay for your kids, you know, for whatever. So why

776
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: should you have to forgive yourself for the choices that

777
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: you made when you when you had fewer options? But

778
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: people don't believe that sex workers have a choice, right

779
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: which where Like to me, if I'm fucking because I

780
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: have to pay my rent? To me, yeah, there was

781
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: some choices that I made that I probably wouldn't have

782
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: made had the money been there. But I also have

783
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: friends that have been in relationships where they didn't have

784
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: to do anything sexual for money and they chose to

785
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: like it's like they they missed it. They fiend off.

786
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: I had a friend literally engaged, living with her partner,

787
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: lied about what she did for a living, and would

788
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: trial engaged, engaged, lived with her nigga and said that

789
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: she was like a wedding planner or something. Would travel

790
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: to New York, would traveled to d C. Would travel

791
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: to all these different cities and beyond eroes and literally

792
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: and literally stay on arrows like for the weekend and

793
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: make all the money and come back home and take

794
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: it back home to her husband or her fiance where

795
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: she played um no, he she did find out because

796
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: of course with clients, you you start getting repeat customers.

797
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: So one of them ended up really liking her, and

798
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: so he ended up just finding the messages between them too,

799
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: so it seemed more like a sugar daddy relationship than

800
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: what she was really doing since and he was really

801
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: he got Yeah, I will say how bad it got.

802
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: It got really bad. They're no longer together, but yeah,

803
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: she got caught that way. But they were together for

804
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: like seven plus years, and we would hang out. And

805
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: sometimes I'd go and hang out with her at the hotel.

806
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: She'd be like, yeah, girl, I got a client coming,

807
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: so you can you can go down there, come back.

808
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: Unless she did like a dinner date, which would be

809
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: like eight hours, so we were just paying the dinner date.

810
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: She would get paid so much money for the dinner day.

811
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: It would be like a half night. She would go

812
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: out to dinner and get paid to do the dinner.

813
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: And she did a lot of girlfriend experiences. So but

814
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: long story short, I say all of that to say,

815
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: even though she had a partner that loved her dearly,

816
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: they lived together, they were planning a family together, she

817
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: was like, I like doing this and this is what

818
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. This is my choice.

819
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: This is how I want to make my money. I

820
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: don't want to drive, also saying quick money. It's It's

821
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: interesting because I had a conversation with a dude that

822
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: I used to funk with who used to sell dope,

823
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: and he was telling me how bro like it's so

824
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: crazy now, like he goes it's like a construction thing

825
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: or something, and he was like, so crazy now, like

826
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: everybody be like, oh, you make six figures He's like,

827
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: they got to make six figures a month. And he's

828
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: like and he's like, you know, it's crazy more than

829
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: I missed past money. He was like, I missed being

830
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: in the streets. I have mad fun, I had bitches.

831
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle. And I was telling him like, oh,

832
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: I was speaking arrangement a little, how I kind of

833
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: missed that ship. I remember like not a bad scary nervous.

834
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I never really felt unsafe. Um.

835
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: I've had maybe one or two scenarios, but for the

836
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: most part, I felt I felt like I was having fun.

837
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: And I remember getting dressed up for dinner and how

838
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: it felt and like, oh, this guy is so excited

839
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: to fuck me, but maybe I won't fuck him. I'm

840
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: gonna just keep getting this allowed winch money, which is

841
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: kind of crazy because the allowance money thing on seeking arrangement,

842
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: it is bullshit. They prey on young women, they do.

843
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was getting old, and I was like,

844
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm in school two six right, I was in college

845
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: that was a non traditional student. Bro. I started making

846
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: it like I realized because like always gonna go to college,

847
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really passionate about anything, particularly in college.

848
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out. And I were like, oh,

849
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: I would have to really do this up for this thing,

850
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: Like just my little appearance are starting. I don't know what.

851
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I love a good dinner date, like I had a

852
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. I met some well, I met

853
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: someone new. He's you know, new, a new regular client,

854
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: and we did um you know, he flew into New

855
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: York and I took you know, we went to one

856
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: of my favorite black owned restaurants in Harlem. We went

857
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to you know, went to the restaurant. Um, if you

858
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: don't want to share his produs, I'm not gonna share

859
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: it because yeah, I'm not gonna share. But we went.

860
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: But we went to but we went to the spot,

861
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: we had dinner, We went someplace else, we had drinks.

862
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: I took him to. It was during n f T

863
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: and n y C Wings, so I took him to

864
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: some events and then we went back to the hotel

865
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: and we were hanging out. And it's like, but I

866
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: love I love that opportunity to get to know people.

867
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: And like, one of the things I always tell like

868
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: newer sex workers, especially when I used to manage people,

869
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: is that instead of trying to create a persona to

870
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: be to be yourself right, because you can only fake

871
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: You can only fake it for so long, and your

872
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: real life, your real interests are actually interesting. So like

873
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: with this guy, we were able to have conversations around

874
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: panic because he was from the continent, so we were

875
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: able to have conversations around Pan Africanism. You know, he

876
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: was like super interested in the experiences of Black Americans

877
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: in relationship to being ancestors that were stolen. And to

878
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: be able to have those kinds of conversations with him

879
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: over dinner and then at the end of the night

880
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: go back to his home and give him the God

881
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, and and and for him to be like, wait,

882
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: how much, how how much for you to stay for

883
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: a little longer, Like you know, it's like, can you

884
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: stay the night? And and I don't like I don't

885
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: do overnights. I know a lot of a lot of

886
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: like sex workers do, because I like to sleep by

887
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: my I don't want nobody. I don't want nobody waking

888
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: up in a little night trying to put the dick

889
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: and me like I'm not trying to be like I

890
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: liked I like space in my bed, like I don't.

891
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't. It takes me a long time to be

892
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: comfortable with somebody it would be able to ever fallen

893
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: in love with a client kind of. I mean yeah,

894
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean yeah when I had a I had like

895
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: an eight year relationship with a client that was really wonderful,

896
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: and you know, it was you know, he was my

897
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: sugar daddy, and so we definitely were in love with

898
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, but by the time it

899
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: was you know, there came a point when I wanted

900
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: something more in my personal life than he was able

901
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: to provide. And so like when when he broke up

902
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: with me, um, like I was I would saying, I've

903
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: been really open about the fact that I had a

904
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: variant cancer when I was young, when I was in

905
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: my thirties, and so when the last time that I

906
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: had cancer, he was like, I really want to be there.

907
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: I can't be there. Uh, you know, I'm realizing that

908
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I love you too much. And so he broke up

909
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: with me. But he gave me a six mes severance package.

910
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: So not a severance package from a sugar daddy. Yes.

911
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: In fact, in fact, I was having a conversation with

912
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: our mutual friend about we were talking about a celebrity

913
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: that you know who has a bunch of women on retainer,

914
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, two dollars a year is not enough,

915
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: because I hope he's also paying the taxes on the

916
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: on that two K. I hope he's also paying for

917
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: their wardrobe. I hope he's also maxing out there four

918
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: oh one K and their roth Ira at the end

919
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: of the year. I hope, And I hope he's also

920
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: giving you know, paying for their health insurance and giving

921
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: them a severance package when it's over, because you're you're

922
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: putting your life on hold to have an exclusive arrangement

923
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: with somebody, and so your life and your career, which

924
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: means that when that's over now it takes it's going

925
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: to take time to get back into the game and

926
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: start being able to two ship. But I want to

927
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: say that's been in terms of even being in those situations, right,

928
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: how do you leave being sugar and making money from

929
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: having sex to doing it out of love where there's

930
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: no money involved. Maybe you're doing or have you ever? Yeah,

931
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean connection, You know I would definitely have broke love.

932
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: What about you still get taken care of barbridgement? But

933
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean not everyone can just keep in Richmon, we're

934
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: talking about that relationship. Yeah, I mean I've had I've

935
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: had you know, several ongoing you know, I've constantly been

936
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: in relationship. I used to be a serial monogamous, so

937
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm a recovering serial monogamous. I'm like, definitely

938
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: not interested in being in a relationship. Stop deeming me

939
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: asking me if we can be in a relationship. But

940
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: but I you know, it's it's just different. It's like

941
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: for me, the money is the is the is the

942
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: dividing line. It's the line in the sand. Right. It's like,

943
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: because I I show up for my clients in ways

944
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: that in similar ways and how I show up with

945
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: my partner part minus the emotional labor, right, minus the

946
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm not necessarily cooking dinner for

947
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: you if you're a client, you know, because we're gonna

948
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: go out to eat. Like I'm not going to you know,

949
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in you know, being around your kids,

950
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: being around your kids. Nope, not you know, it's like

951
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not that hard for

952
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: me to be able to make that transition back and forth.

953
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: And also I've I've been in a lot of like

954
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: ongoing long term relationships while also doing sex work. So

955
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: it's for me, it's we've been able to navigate that.

956
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a partner that was like I

957
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: feel like we have a lot of things, so like, well,

958
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: what did you do when he was mad? But can

959
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: you tell this someone that like celebrated it? I was

960
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: excited about it for you. Yeah, I was dating this guy.

961
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: He you know, and in retrospect, like he should have

962
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: been a Well, there's a couple of people. I had

963
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: one person who should have been a one night stand

964
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: and wanted being four years. Yeah, we all listen, A

965
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: discern is a lot. But I had I had somebody

966
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: that I dated for a while who was really hype about, like,

967
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, everything I was doing. Like I met him

968
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: at a time when I was starting to write, when

969
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I was starting to do college lectures, when I was

970
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: starting to do when I was with the Punani poets,

971
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: Like it's like, you know, what are your lecture? Um,

972
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: I leo sure about? You know? Well, usually it's anything

973
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: and everything happened to do with porn and sex work,

974
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: particularly around my career. I do some stuff about finance,

975
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: like I've done. I've taught a class on economics and

976
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: sex work at U c l A. I wanted to

977
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: ask you that because you brought up n f T.

978
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if at any point, and this

979
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: could be brief, but if you ever thought to make

980
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: any of your porn and n f T and if

981
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: that was a conversation and there's yeah, there's a few

982
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: of them. Um I have. I'm not quite there yet

983
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to figure out what kinds of additional

984
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: features people will get with the n f T s

985
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: that I already have some content that's laid out and

986
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: then set for that. Did you Yeah, I'm made one

987
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: on TV with Sham Boody. It was for fee, so

988
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: Shan filmed my feet smashing into tacos. It was crazy.

989
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: And then I brought on and Dunlap if anyone wants

990
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: to watch it this episode eight and I brought it

991
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: me and Dunlap, who's called the Master Investor, and I

992
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: was like, tell me what to do and he was like,

993
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, bro. So we had to name the

994
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: page go on the site. But the thing that I

995
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: didn't like about it there was a tangible item which

996
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: would have been the food itself feet in some people

997
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: make it panties whatever. But for me, the reason I

998
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a fan of it is because you get actual

999
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: like different currency, right, you get something called polk ins.

1000
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: So whatever the site has that's selling the porn n

1001
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: f T, it's its own currency. And for me, I

1002
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: want to do an actual dollar exchange or something like that.

1003
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that I was gonna donate it,

1004
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: but then it ended up not going out. But I

1005
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: was like, yo, when I was thinking about it, if

1006
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: I donated my feet for charity, what the fuck? They? Yeah,

1007
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: I have a I have a hard time with it

1008
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: with n f T is because of the fact that

1009
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: crypto is is so like you know, it's so volatile,

1010
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's like for me, it's like, well,

1011
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: if I sell this to somebody for two dollars and

1012
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: then by the time I get ready to transfer the money,

1013
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: it's only worth like fifty dollars, then what did I

1014
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: just do? Like I'd rather just take the stock drop

1015
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: right like, And that's and that's real, Like, that's that's

1016
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: that's one of the big problems that I have with

1017
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: Like everybody keeps talking about crypto and and n f

1018
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: T s as a way of being able to circumvent

1019
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: the issues with MasterCard and Visa. But it's like not

1020
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: everybody has that's not a viable option for people. But

1021
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: we also talking about market rates. Is their market rates

1022
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: for pussy and how did you how did how are

1023
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: those rates looking like today? Like you talked about what

1024
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: the blow jobs are imporn, but in terms of sugaring

1025
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: or escorting, like what are like the market rates? I

1026
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: mean the mart the market rates that depends it value.

1027
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: It varies depending on your location. Right, So in New

1028
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: York is high New York in DC is high. But

1029
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: I was living in l A. I used to fly

1030
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: back and forth once a month, like just so that

1031
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: I could I would make all my money haven't expensive.

1032
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: L A don't care about black people. That's where they're

1033
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: are not interested in black women. Like I mean, there's

1034
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: some like come to New York and they want so

1035
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: many black areas are war Hive taught me that, Like

1036
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: I was kind of on that ship too, but then

1037
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: like I learned Black l A. And now that I

1038
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: just stick to it, I'm like it's differed about park

1039
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: Is Baldwin Hills it's fucking west out of I mean,

1040
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: it's it's there's there's you get a few people, you know,

1041
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: you get you know a lot of celebrities, athletes, you know,

1042
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: you get your There's a small percentage of black you

1043
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: know wealth in l A that is also interested in

1044
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: spending money on sex workers, on black sex workers. I mean,

1045
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, they're really looking for people who are more

1046
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: who are more light skin, more ethnically ambiguous, Like they're

1047
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: not looking for black women. You know what I'm saying.

1048
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm a black woman, so they're not they're not really

1049
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: checking for me. But if I go to Atlanta, Atlanta,

1050
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: the guys are looking to spend less money, Like they

1051
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: want to spend between five hundred and eight hundred. You know,

1052
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: they might want to do a half hour because if

1053
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: your raid is a thousand, they want to try or

1054
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: eight hundreds, they want to do a half hour just

1055
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: so that they can try to like you know, navigate

1056
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: how they they can they can try to get in

1057
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: there um and like I don't do I used to

1058
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: do half hours because I want to be able to

1059
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: see black men, but I don't do that anymore because

1060
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: it's like a half hour is not a half hour.

1061
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: A half hour is really like forty five minutes. So

1062
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: because we gotta have a conversation, we gotta get to

1063
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: know each other, we gotta catch a vibe. And even then,

1064
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: like for a lot of them, because these they're fans,

1065
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: they've been watching me in porn for so long, they

1066
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: get intimidated and they get like anxiety, you know, performing anxiety,

1067
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not gonna be sitting here second

1068
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: you a dick for forty minutes. That's not my job.

1069
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's my job. Like, that's got my job.

1070
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: I actually I wondered that was like sex workers are

1071
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: point actress is like I would see it a lot

1072
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter when they'll like put their city dates and

1073
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: I've always took taken that is like, okay, this is

1074
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: like sex workers ship. I'm in the tour, you know

1075
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: what I I mean. Don't think the name now what the

1076
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: city that they are with the dates, But it's my

1077
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: mind has n y C. Like like yeah, I mean,

1078
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: but but like New York, d C, Boston. The rate,

1079
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: the going rate is between like a thousand and fifteen

1080
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: hundred an hour. Um, some people will do half hours.

1081
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of younger women now who are

1082
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: doing you know, like a two or three hour minimum

1083
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: or a dinner date you know, dinner date minimum. And

1084
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those people are tend to

1085
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: be people who also are probably have a day job

1086
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: or so then you know, or they're you know, they

1087
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: don't have to have the um, they don't have to

1088
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: do volume, right, you know. But you do see some

1089
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: people who you know are willing to you know, to

1090
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: book still for five hundred you know, four hundred, five hundred,

1091
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: six hundred an hour because they can make it up

1092
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: in volume. Yeah, do you have a maxim dickts in

1093
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: a day? One a day, one a day just then,

1094
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: And I don't even like, is it the energy? It's

1095
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: the energy I'm grown like, I don't really I don't

1096
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: have that. I don't have the energy to do all

1097
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: that I wasna saying it more than his money. It's

1098
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: like you just feel like I need to have other

1099
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: ships and also like and also it's hard, it's hard

1100
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: now that i'm you know, now that I'm doing like

1101
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: i'm you know, my as a community organizer. I'm constantly

1102
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: happy to switch back and forth between my sex work

1103
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: brain and my like educator, my educator brain and so

1104
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: like you know, last week I had a call with

1105
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: the l County Health Department about doing a monkey Pops

1106
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: vaccine clinic and Medicaid enrollment program, like like we're gonna

1107
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: actually get because the work that we do with a

1108
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: Bipop Collective, we have a lot of people who do

1109
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: up to us for financial assistance and they're looking for

1110
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: money for med's therapy hrt s like you know, like

1111
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: things like that, and it's like we can only give

1112
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 1: out so much money like we have. If we give

1113
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: give somebody five hundred dollars and they're unhoused, like that

1114
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: money is not gonna or or if they need groceries

1115
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: and meds like that, that ship is not gonna go.

1116
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna go fast, and they're still gonna need meds

1117
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: next month, Like do you know what I'm saying? So

1118
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: I was, you know, it's it's a long term manifestation

1119
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: for me, like I've been wanting to do a Medicaid

1120
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: enrollment program for a while, and they reached out to

1121
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: us about the vaccine resistance around monkey poks, which I

1122
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: was like, you know at the time, you had to

1123
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: have like what was it, um you had to identify

1124
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: it from you had you had to be a man

1125
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: or a trans person who has sex with men who

1126
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: also was having commercial sex, anonymous sex or was on housed.

1127
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, in the you can't. You're

1128
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: not gonna reach black and brown men if they're not

1129
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: out as being as being gay and you're asking trans

1130
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: people to to like disclose at their trend so and

1131
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: and also how about like the sex world women who

1132
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: assist women who are sex workers, or the black, black

1133
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: and brown women who because of cultural stigma, don't know

1134
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: that they're having sex with somebody who's Yes. I'm working

1135
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: with the Florida Health Department for an event on October

1136
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: seven in Orlando. It's called Risky. It's a dinner seven

1137
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: to nine for AIDS awareness, all women, no men. And

1138
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: I remember when I, you know, got the offer. I

1139
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, yeah, that I'm like, but honestly,

1140
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: when do women talk about it? Hey, it's awareness? You know,

1141
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: we we don't we don't, you know, like we're talking

1142
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,959
Speaker 1: about it amongst our gay friends generally because maybe either

1143
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: we're having more experience with them being aware about it

1144
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: or being on TREP and things like that. But we

1145
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: don't talk about this ship. We don't talk about it

1146
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: at all. And that's and for me, it's like, you know,

1147
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: when I was talking to them, I was like, look,

1148
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is something that we've been wanting to do.

1149
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: If you have access to to medicaid navigators, you know,

1150
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,479
Speaker 1: enrollment navigators, and you can bring them to the table,

1151
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of sex workers don't know

1152
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: that they could qualify for medicaid based on how much

1153
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: they mean. Because you know, it's like we talk about

1154
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: only fans, but it's like the average person is only

1155
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: making a hundred and twenty dollars a month on only fans.

1156
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: So you you make me want to talk about something.

1157
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: You guys, remember the I G model think her name

1158
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: is Gianna that got HIV really badly. I wrote a

1159
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: comment on Hollywood Unlocked. Basically she was talking about she

1160
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: even raped a few times and she was homeless and

1161
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: people were like, well, how did you not know you

1162
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: had HIV so long? And when of the compas said

1163
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: this thing, I said, Yo, a lot of people she's like,

1164
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: how could you not go get tested? I'm like, a

1165
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: lot of people don't have access like that. And when

1166
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: I say access, I don't just mean insurance. People are like, oh,

1167
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: there's a free clinic, like the access to and understand

1168
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: think about what this podcast does. How people now figure

1169
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: out we've shouted out the dino that we went to

1170
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: bro Like, people are not really experiencing relationships, friendships or

1171
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: communities where you're learning about how to get healthcare accent

1172
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: as a real fucking thing. So when you're saying, oh,

1173
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: so and so I can walk into a free spot,

1174
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: people don't even think this is real sometimes, like they

1175
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: don't know how to do it. And and it's like

1176
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: you have you to go into those free clinics. It's

1177
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: like you're you're talking about you know, the you know

1178
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: the cost of being poor, right, It's like you might

1179
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: have to be in a free clinic for like ten

1180
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: hours just to get tested. Nobody has ten hours to

1181
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: be there. Like when I was on this this Monkey

1182
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: Pop's call, the woman was talking about like it's like

1183
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, you have to have a computer

1184
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: to go online to to schedule for an appointment and

1185
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: then we send you a text message. And I was like,

1186
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: so you're expecting the people to have act the internet

1187
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: and a laptop ana phone and have their phone on

1188
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: all the time, Like how like people don't like there's

1189
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: there's times when because I don't have I don't have

1190
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: my my phone service set up on on auto pay

1191
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: right because I don't like to for money to just

1192
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: disappear from my bank account. So it's like, but there

1193
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: are times when I'll wake up and I'll be like, oh, funk,

1194
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: I forgot to pay the phone bill, Like let me,

1195
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: let me pay it real quick. And it's like, but

1196
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: I have means to be able to do that. What

1197
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: about people who don't have that means? Like you're expecting

1198
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: them to have this access for when you finally decide

1199
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: to get around to to texting them about an appointment.

1200
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: But also the way they were like doing specifically, like

1201
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: the weird and how you identify sexuality wise, that was

1202
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: why this summer, especially because New York it was hot

1203
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: out here, I didn't really go to the sex club

1204
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: because even lifestyle and being that it was something that

1205
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: just touched to touch a lot of the clubs that

1206
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: I go to, they don't ask you if you're straight.

1207
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of people that are queer.

1208
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with men and women and again so even

1209
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: lifestyle wise, you don't know what straighter gay is probably

1210
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna be problematic. It's problematic one too, even if they

1211
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: are straight and not gay, that doesn't guarantee that we

1212
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: won't get monkey pox. And I think there's gonna be

1213
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: a huge surge in the hetero community. Is everybody just gaming, Well,

1214
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: they set it down so they are getting in control

1215
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I mean, I mean it's it's hard.

1216
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: But but but to go back to the original question

1217
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: about like, how do I you know like the way

1218
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: that I because I don't. I see fewer clients these

1219
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: days than I than I used to. So I might

1220
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: see somebody, you know, I have this one person that

1221
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm seeing once a month and then I have an

1222
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: and and that's you know, somebody might reach out to me.

1223
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: But I'm really picky, like I have I have protocols. UM.

1224
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: So I run people I get, do a full background check,

1225
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: I do a criminal background check. I run them through

1226
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: the sex offender registry. UM, because I want to make

1227
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: sure that I know that the person that I'm that's

1228
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: gonna see me is not violent. Um. You know, at

1229
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: least on paper, you have to pay to do that yourself. UM.

1230
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: There's a couple of resources that I they're they're not.

1231
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: I'll send you some some stuff ex curious for the

1232
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: ballpark for people that will may like like like twenty

1233
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: dollars a month for one platform. And then there's Blacklist.

1234
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: There's like there's like um go on and they share

1235
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: like information about about bad A lot of those wild

1236
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: A lot of them went away during the FATA, A

1237
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of one away, but there are still options out there.

1238
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: Um So I do that, and then I also, like

1239
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: I look at their social media because sometimes I don't

1240
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: use social media for screening, um alone, but I do

1241
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: look at social media because I want to get an

1242
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: idea of who this person is, right, because people they

1243
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, they show their ass on social media, like

1244
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: the comments. I look through their their tweet, their tweet,

1245
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: their replies, I look through the types of stuff that

1246
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: they're liking, you know. And and then I also I

1247
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: take a deposit, and you know, I take a thirty

1248
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: percent deposit because I just because I'm not gonna waste

1249
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: my time getting ready for somebody to cancel, to cancel

1250
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: or no show. And and it's a nonrefundable deposit. They

1251
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: get one time within three months to rebook um. And

1252
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: I also need proof of COVID vacs, you know, vaccine

1253
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: also because because we're still you know, COVID is still

1254
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: in these streets. You know what I'm saying. This is amazing,

1255
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: Honestly with you. I think a lot of men just

1256
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: think when they see that someone's putting their city or

1257
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: dates that they're like cool, like look me up and see.

1258
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: I get mad people who will tell me that that's

1259
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: what I'm asking for is too much, And I'm like, well,

1260
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: let me go to somebody else. Then go to somebody else,

1261
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: because you know, like, fortunately I make you comfortable, like

1262
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: make me comfortable. And I tell guys this all the time.

1263
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, at the end of the day,

1264
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: it's like, you know who I am. I don't know

1265
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: about you, and I'm still a woman. You're you're a man,

1266
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: Like you're asking me and we're about to be alone.

1267
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: We're about to be alone. You should want me to

1268
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: be comfortable. You should want because really a lot of

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Speaker 1: the screening for me is about compliance. If you're willing

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Speaker 1: to give me the information that I asked for with

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Speaker 1: no problems, we don't have to go back and forth.

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Speaker 1: You're just like, here you go. Oh, here's the screening

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Speaker 1: for him. Here you go, and they just you just

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Speaker 1: do whatever I ask. Then I'm more likely to want

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Speaker 1: to see you because now you made you made this

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Speaker 1: a lot easier. But you should want me to be comfortable.

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Speaker 1: You want it goes away for a moment. I think

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Speaker 1: Ben will realize that I had a guide tell me

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Speaker 1: recently that I sucked years ago. He said, uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't even remember doing this. When we were in Miami

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Speaker 1: and he said that there was like a two bedroom

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Speaker 1: sweet and I said, are you sure no one's in here?

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Speaker 1: And I opened the door to check when he was

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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. I remember he was like, are you

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Speaker 1: trying to look through my stuff? I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure in the room. Yeah,

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 1: he told me because I ran into him your later,

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Speaker 1: it was super what weeken I saw. He was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what makes me think you every time girls

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Speaker 1: come to my house, I'll be trying to make sure

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Speaker 1: they know nobody else in here. Is like, do you

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01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: want them to feel comfortable? That was like the highest

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01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: compliment because because ship like that happens, like you know,

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Speaker 1: there's there are there's always that situation where somebody is

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Speaker 1: trying to set a woman up on some bullshit, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, especially sex workers, especially if

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Speaker 1: you are a substance user. It's like and and women

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01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: should be checking like you should just the same way

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Speaker 1: that you if you put your glass down in the

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Speaker 1: club walk away up. I was at the Box last

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Speaker 1: night and it's fashion week, so if the club is backed,

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Speaker 1: there's a dark room in the box where everybody does drugs.

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01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: I could hear a girl. This guy was like, do

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Speaker 1: you want to do a bump? And she's like bump

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Speaker 1: of what? And he's like, oh, it's coke. She was

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Speaker 1: like can you do it first? And he's like, oh,

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: I had a lot, and she was like I'm good,

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01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: and the girl walked out. I was like, you, that's right,

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Speaker 1: all right. But like if the dude like you're it

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Speaker 1: wants you to do drugs with him, I won't do

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Speaker 1: the drugs. I was like, yo, shout out to this speech.

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Speaker 1: And I remember starting at the guy all night wondering like, oh,

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: should I like watch the women? But now I've also drunk,

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Speaker 1: so I'm getting my mom break on. I'm like, oh,

1315
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: make sure these girls don't make sure they're okay, but

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Speaker 1: but like, can you just imagine just thinking you're having

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Speaker 1: a good time going to a do the hotel room

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Speaker 1: with Bama and other dude comes out to That's what

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about, or a group of dude because

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Speaker 1: that happens to I appreciate you like sharing with everyone

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Speaker 1: a lot of tips for sex work. And also like

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Speaker 1: obviously I know, I mean the outline so we never

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Speaker 1: get to it, but talking about porn, what would you

1324
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Speaker 1: say before the internet is before the internet before it's

1325
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Speaker 1: sucking nuts, it's nuts, you know, and it's funny because

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember I did a UM, I did

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Speaker 1: an event with UM Vanessa del Rio UM here in

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Speaker 1: New York, one of my first big trips to New York,

1329
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Speaker 1: and we were having a conversation about what it was

1330
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Speaker 1: like when she first arted in the seventies and the

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01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: going rate Jesus at that time was in that was

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Speaker 1: a lot. That was a lot back. But also not

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: because you know, the porn industry is one of the

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01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: few forms of sex of entertainment that does not have residuals.

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01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: So people like Vanessa Del Rio or Genie Pepper, you know,

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Speaker 1: who are still alive, who are you know, in their

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Speaker 1: sixties or or older. They are their movies are on

1338
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Speaker 1: the Internet, and they're not getting any money from that, right,

1339
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: So people are that's the crazies about the craziest only

1340
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: fans scale Now we can like now you can monetize

1341
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a subscription. But it's the same

1342
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: thing that's happening, like get our dollars back the dollars

1343
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: it's but it's happening now with the Internet, Like actors

1344
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: are actually not seeing residuals anymore if they're going if

1345
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: they're shooting streaming, anything on streaming, So anything that you

1346
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: shoot on Netflix, anything that you shoot on HBO Max,

1347
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: any of those streaming platforms, if you're on there, you're

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: not getting the residuals. Like say everyone who was on

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Speaker 1: Family Matters or The Cosby Show and all these they're

1350
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: still getting checks to his day. Yeah, and it's and

1351
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I mean like the you know Napster,

1352
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: when Napster attacked the music industry and the porn industry simultaneously,

1353
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: the music industry was suing. I remember there was a

1354
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: case where they sued some teenage boy in Seattle for

1355
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: like a million dollars. Right, the porn industry was so

1356
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: cocky that they thought that they would never be impacted

1357
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: by by by budget and by the Internet. And and

1358
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: as a result, porn Hub X two, exits x two,

1359
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: Red tub the Creator and now they have their own

1360
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Speaker 1: creative platforms. But they had to because of the mass

1361
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: pushback of you're not paying people, this is all stolen content. Yeah,

1362
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: porn stars at one point all just started making their

1363
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: own website. So we're like, like I remember, and that

1364
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 1: was probably like the late two thousand's where I started

1365
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: seeing porn stars say, hey, don't watch any of my

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: porn on any of these sy please come to my

1367
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: actual website and purchased through me, because I guess at

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01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: money is kind of nuts. Like I just was thinking

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Speaker 1: for a second, you know, I was just really excited

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Speaker 1: because we talked to so many only fans, girls and

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Speaker 1: sex workers, and I'm like, damn, someone that's been through

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Speaker 1: it all, as I know a lot of this ship

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Speaker 1: you talking about, I can't leave. We lived through the yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But also it's like changed every decade it I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was one of the first black women with a

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Speaker 1: solo model website back Yeah, and and and I owned

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Speaker 1: a webcam company and get it was. It was so

1378
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: crazy because we used to have to teach I would

1379
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: teach models to to move in a way that would

1380
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: allow it to so it wouldn't be trying, it wouldn't

1381
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: be like yeah exactly because we were running a T

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Speaker 1: one line into my guest house. But the on the

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Speaker 1: other end, there were people who were still on twenty

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Speaker 1: eight dialogue. Yeah, but that wasn't that long ago. That's

1385
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Speaker 1: what we were like this like real flow was a

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Speaker 1: white Why did we get into this? Where her fact?

1387
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Speaker 1: This is nuts? Yeah okay, but but we really had

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Speaker 1: to like we had to teach models how to move

1389
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Speaker 1: kind of like so that on the other end it

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: would look fluid when they downloaded it. That we have

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Speaker 1: five g Can you tell people where to support you

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Speaker 1: today online? If any place? Hell yeah, um, single in

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Speaker 1: you know, get on um you can find links to

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Speaker 1: so very much for joining us, This was amazing. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you so much. That's so much hope. Did you guys,

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode as well. Um and this has Vin

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Speaker 1: yet again another episode of poor decisions by y'all, like, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so who knows, maybe I'll meet a hot Spotify exactly now.

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Speaker 1: That's honestly the only reason I kind of like go

1424
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: into events, because I'd just be like, who am I

1425
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: gonna meet? Because I realized, and I'm gonna say it

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: before we get to Vanillashi because it's a good one.

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: I'd be fucking with a lot of niggas that aren't

1428
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: necessarily well to do. And we had this conversation altogether

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Speaker 1: after the link up, uh huh. We all want to eat,

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: and I was talking about how I feel i'd really

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Speaker 1: be broke niggas and Brent was like, I think that's

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Speaker 1: because you just like feel like you don't have time

1433
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: for niggas with money because they're so used to bitches

1434
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: working hard for them, right, And he didn't he didn't

1435
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Speaker 1: get Kevin Samuel's on me at all. He was like,

1436
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: but it's not like you don't want dudes to take

1437
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: care of ship for you. He's like, so, why do

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01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: you think it's attractive? On the other side, and I

1439
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: that I think that I'm low key attracted to guys

1440
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily the castanova of the crew because they're

1441
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: not scared to show how much they like me. Like

1442
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: sometimes when like rich dudes are athlete, you know what

1443
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I'm not saying they don't you trying

1444
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: to haul at me, but like we I mean we

1445
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: had this conversation literally just they don't. They really don't.

1446
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: But you said you wanted an industry because you thought

1447
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: it would be easier for an industry dude than of regulantly.

1448
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: So now it's the opposite. No, no, no, no no, no,

1449
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: I still do. But I'm saying He's like, why do

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: you think you've been like having these run ins with

1451
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: like you know, think about hospital dick or the skater

1452
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: dude or whatever. He's like, why do you think this

1453
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: is happening? And I said, I don't think industry dudes

1454
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: for rich niggas necessarily be the ones that give me

1455
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: the same energy. Like I like guys that like me,

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like if I when when

1457
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 1: someone's giving me that energy, I'm like, yeah, I'm waiting.

1458
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: And sometimes they got rich nigga's got too many options

1459
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: to where like Brianda's it's something to me that I

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 1: really liked. She's been dating a lot, and she said,

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Speaker 1: if I go on, if I have a date schedule

1462
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: to someone and they don't seem excited about the date

1463
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: or text me that day or screenshot the reservation, I cancel.

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not really into someone that's gonna hit

1465
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: me up right before, Like I want someone that's on it.

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: And she was like, because that's the energy that I'm

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01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: actually interested in investing in. And I was like, I

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01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: feel that that's a little dramatic, but I know what

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: she's saying with that, because we all want someone that

1470
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 1: feels excited to see us and feels like they're lucky

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Speaker 1: to be taking us out somewhere. But I got it.

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Speaker 1: I do, especially if I say yes to going out

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01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: with you. It's it's strange, maybe be just because I have,

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Speaker 1: like I actually really hate my phone, so I like

1475
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: when it's literally just a hey, where you at, I'm

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: gonna pull up on you? Or Hey, what you're doing?

1477
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to pull up on me? I realized

1478
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: you like that. I hate texting. I don't want it

1479
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: to get a text me on it because I don't

1480
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: respond No, I like, I like planned, and you I'm

1481
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: surprised you don't. You don't planned because you're a plan

1482
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I like a plan date, but like,

1483
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: like I've literally been like and I've realized it's more

1484
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: like that. When I see I have free time, I'd

1485
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: be like, well, let's do lunch, like I've done that

1486
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: with Black Jesus, Like should I just finished recording and

1487
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm stressed, and he'll be like, we'll pull up. I'm

1488
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: a Dumbo house, we'll eat here. That's that's that's our

1489
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: first date. You're talking about something different, But no, I'm

1490
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: just saying I don't need the texting. I don't need

1491
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: the Hey, it's so excited to see you a reservation,

1492
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: like I know what's happening. I'm I realized how much

1493
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: of a non responder I am in text messages now

1494
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: because I really just hate my phone. I mean, if

1495
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: I was dating some you're dating Black Jesus already, so

1496
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: you guys can find talking to see each other. You

1497
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: don't like when men send you reservations? Seriously, No, No,

1498
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,520
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I'm talking about the texting screenshot

1499
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: at me and like the texting I've realized I am

1500
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: not in to whatsoever like all FaceTime you or we

1501
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: can link up to talk. I realized how minimal I am. Yeah,

1502
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't mean I don't need a lot of threat.

1503
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about someone showing that they're like, I don't know,

1504
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: I I agree if i'm if I have a date

1505
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: with someone Friday. Actually I did have a date last week.

1506
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: I went to the Short Stories Hotel or two weeks ago.

1507
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: The dude our date was at five around twelve, He's like, hey, Gila,

1508
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: looking forward, Um, I'll be there five where you are

1509
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: We still good? And I was like, oh, well, I

1510
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: like this Okay, Like I I do appreciate that, not

1511
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: on some like corporate worky ship, but I do think

1512
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it's nice to feel like you know, you're you

1513
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: remembered me or I'm I'm not an afterthought. I guess, um, okay,

1514
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something real quick that I

1515
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't put in the outline. But I just found this

1516
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: on the Shade Room and I could not believe this bitch.

1517
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: Did you see the Erica Banks clip of her saying

1518
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: what she wants people to look like that go out

1519
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: with her? Now? Erica Bank is the girl that's a rapper,

1520
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: then you know what I'm saying for everybody else is

1521
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: you look. So someone recorded this from her close friends

1522
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: and they just posted this and this is what she said.

1523
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: This is basically what she was