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Speaker 2: I've tried to figure this out from that standpoint, because

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Speaker 2: but there's no there's no create. There's no water running

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Speaker 2: But you're right that it just kind of pops about

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Speaker 2: we don't really know exactly exactly where she was found

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Speaker 1: Uh well no, no, we yeah, you're you're right. We

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Speaker 1: we really don't. And I think that that's this this

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Speaker 1: It's it's called the gypsum wash. And gypsum is that's

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Speaker 1: the people that found Melanie's body were hikers.

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Speaker 2: Dave tell us just something right away that it wasn't

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Speaker 2: We've you've been explaining this to me over the last

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you had to ask me this question.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, the reason I'm saying that, man, is that

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Speaker 1: Tire tracks. They're going to look for tire tracks, and

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Speaker 2: person's report on this yesterday. The report came in on

430
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth, and they started and they found out, okay,

431
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: let's retrace. They retraced her to Las Vegas on that

432
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: night of August twenty sixth, the night before her body

433
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: was found. They know that she was alive, so she

434
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: wasn't killed in June, and her body was found, you know,

435
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: in August. She actually they had her and had eyewitnesses

436
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: on the night of August twenty sixth. Her body was

437
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: recovered the next day.

438
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, and if I remember correctly, please tell me

439
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong here. She was last seen in the

440
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: proximity of Fremont Street.

441
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: Fifteenth in Fremont right there. Ok, I don't know what

442
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: that is. What is that area, Joe?

443
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just so folks understand this, you've you know,

444
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: like any old city, and I always go back to

445
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: my hometown in New Orleans, all right, because I think

446
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest places on earth. But aside

447
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: from that, the closer you get to the heart of

448
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: the place, that's the old generally it's the oldest location, right,

449
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: It's where the city kind of springs up. Just like

450
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: with New Orleans, French Quarter is the vookay as they say,

451
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: is you know, that's where that's Bullseye, that's where the

452
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: city started. Well, with Vegas, one of the things you

453
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: have to consider one of the oldest streets there is

454
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: actually Fremont. You think about all the old fashioned neon

455
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: that you see flashing and whatnot. Matter of fact, there's

456
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: a great Bond movie. Well I'll say great, it's kind

457
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: of campy, but Diamonds are Forever. There's a big chase

458
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: scene with Sean Connery where he's gonna mock one Mustang

459
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and they're running up and down Fremont, and that movie

460
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: I think is from like seventy three, and it's a

461
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of what people associate with old Vegas. It's different

462
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: than the strip though. The strip is like where you

463
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, you've got the Bellagio and you've got Caesars,

464
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: and you've got all of these places that are big

465
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: and garish, you know, and no sorts of things. Freemont

466
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: is the older part of the city. And here's the

467
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: other thing about it, Dave, is that with Fremont, Fremont

468
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: has had a reputation as kind of being a seedy

469
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: area certainly in the past. I think they've done a

470
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: lot to try to improve it at this point. But

471
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, back in ninety four this would have been

472
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: a rough area. It certainly would have been particularly dangerous

473
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: for a young mother. We've got this young mother who

474
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: is found out in this isolated area. To have this

475
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: level of trauma that we're talking about, Dave, you would

476
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: have to assume that this is a very very personal case.

477
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about this a lot, don't we, brother.

478
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, where generally the more over the top the

479
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: trauma is with the case, it becomes progressively with each

480
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: strike of a knife or strike of a hammer, or

481
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: any kind of other trauma that is inflicted. It becomes progressively,

482
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: at least in my eyes, it's more and more personal.

483
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: And with her we we certainly in Melanie's case, have

484
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: no lack of trauma, now do we no?

485
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: And the shocking shocking part about this, Joe is it's

486
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: the dragging. Okay, we've got a woman who was strangled

487
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: and beaten, we hit. That's not an uncommon thing to see.

488
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be cold about this at all.

489
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm not, but the fact that she was dragged. This

490
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: is a slight woman. This is not a woman who

491
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: is going to be a physical threat to most men.

492
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: And the idea of dragging her just I'm praying that

493
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: she was, that she was dead before that took place.

494
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: The idea that maybe they drug her there and she

495
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: wasn't They could have been one, I don't know. But

496
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: the idea that she has these very specific injuries and

497
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: they add dragging into the mix. All I can think

498
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: of is this is somebody who was just out for evil.

499
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: I can't think of any other reason.

500
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I was toying with this in

501
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: my mind scary place a little bit ago, and I

502
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: was thinking, what would be the purpose of dragging such

503
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: a diminutive lady like this, particularly she's been bludgeoned and

504
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: strangled with literature? Is it because something horrible was happening

505
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: and occurred within the vehicle, they knew that they had

506
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: to transport the body to get rid of her. So

507
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: therefore they tied her or lashed her to maybe a

508
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: trailer hitch on the vehicle and drug her out there

509
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: without putting her bloody body back in the car. Maybe

510
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: she'd been picked up taking out there, sexually assaulted and

511
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: subsequently killed. And it's like, Okay, I don't want to

512
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: put her back in the car, because even in ninety four,

513
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: we understood and people in public understood by transfer of evidence.

514
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: Remember we're in the age OJ.

515
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: During this period of time before then.

516
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so wow, yeah, so maybe you've got a

517
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: killer that's thinking like this. So in order to facilitate this, uh,

518
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: they're going to try to come up with a different solution.

519
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: How far was she drugging? Again, this is key in

520
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: trying to understand because if she's drug from a specific location,

521
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: then we have to ask the question, well, was she

522
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: assaulted in one location with a sexual attack, a strangulation,

523
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and a ludgeoning, and then transported to this wash. And

524
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: we know that we know that there was some type

525
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: of ligature involved, so that implies that it could be

526
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: a cord, it could be a rope. So the killer

527
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: had something, it had access to, something that he could

528
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: have secured Melanie's body with. And that's I think that

529
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of an interesting question, you know, as you

530
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: kind of unpack this case, and from the perspective of

531
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: an investigator, they would have been armed with this information

532
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: at that point in time. I think the biggest the

533
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: big issue here is when did the dragon take place?

534
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Was this anti mortem or was it a post mortem

535
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: event that was facilitating disposal of the remains. I don't

536
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: know that that question will never be answered, but the

537
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: trauma it's bad enough. You know, when you have a

538
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: ligature strangulation, which she would have had marks on her neck,

539
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and there would also have been a furrow there because

540
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: they wouldn't call it a literature strangulation if they did

541
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: not have some type of furrow or external marking that

542
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: could you know, it could be a belt, I suppose,

543
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: but more than likely some type of cord or rope

544
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: that would create this deep furrow, and regardless of the dragging,

545
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: you would still be able to see that, you still

546
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: be able to see that mark in the neck. And

547
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: then the bludgeoning. You know, I guess, I guess someone

548
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: could argue that going down a bumpy road, perhaps being drugged,

549
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: that's going to inflict blunt force trauma. Obviously that would

550
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: be correct. But is it all vocalized in her face

551
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: and her skull? Did she have a depressed skull fracture?

552
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: Was there an object that was used or was it

553
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: somebody with their bare hands beating down on her? Which

554
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: is easy to facilitate where because many times when you

555
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: have literature strangul relations. Again, we've talked about this stabbings,

556
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: but it applies with bludgeonings and asphyxial deaths. It's very personal.

557
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: You're very up close. Just imagine if you've ever been

558
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: in a position where you couldn't catch your breath. You're

559
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: fighting for air. You're struggling, whether you're beneath the water

560
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: or maybe you're choking on a piece of food, or

561
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: you just can't catch your breath. You're fighting that survival

562
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: instinct kicks in. You're going to resist the encroaching of

563
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: death here at this point in time, So we don't

564
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: really know the sequencing here, unfortunately, but we do know

565
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: that she sustained these three different types of trauma.

566
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Now, as they were investigating Joe I mentioned that they

567
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: were able to talk to people who were with her

568
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: the night before, on the night of the August twenty sixth.

569
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Her body is found the next day, on the twenty seventh,

570
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: and she has identified the next day after that, on

571
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: twenty eight very quick in terms of being able to

572
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: talk to people whose memories are fresh. Even with all

573
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: of that, they the police could not break this case.

574
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: And after they talked to witnesses and everybody they knew,

575
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: they could not find information that led them to her killer,

576
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: and the case went cold in twenty ten. Think about it,

577
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: sixteen years after, sixteen years after her body is found,

578
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: is still an unsolved crime. But they had kept evidence

579
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: from the crime. They from the crime scene, they kept

580
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: clothing and everything else, and so they, being the investigators,

581
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: pulled it back out and they said, we've made all

582
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: these great leaps in DNA, Let's see if we can

583
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: find something on this now that we didn't have before,

584
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: and they did, they were able to develop a DNA profile,

585
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: and like they always do, when you developed that DNA profile,

586
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: you send it up to cotis to see does it

587
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: have a hit? Meaning a person is in code after

588
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: their DNA has been taken and it has they're usually

589
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: committing a crime or have been accused of a crime

590
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: and they end up in the national database. And in

591
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: this case in twenty ten, when they had the profile,

592
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: they did put it up with cotis and never got

593
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: a hit. So again now the case goes cold again

594
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: until until there is a group in Las Vegas that

595
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: works with police and it's called They call themselves the

596
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: Justice League. Is it the Las Vegas Justice League, Joe

597
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: or is it? I know that that's what they're called.

598
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking about super Friends. Yeah, and yeah,

599
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to these big folks. Yeah. Absolutely,

600
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: that there are people out there that have a heart

601
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: for this is unbelievable. Amazing. People spend their time doing

602
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: all kinds of things in live. Yes, when you get

603
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: a group of people like this the Vegas Justice League,

604
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: people talk about, well, I want to support my community

605
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: and I want to do this, and that dude this

606
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: is like the ultimate.

607
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: They're putting feet to their faith.

608
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: Yes they are. And so yeah, it's it's actually a

609
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: Vegas Justice League dot com. And they said, we want

610
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: to we want to get involved in this, and so

611
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: it's it's actual volunteers, uh, that are engaged in trying

612
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: to literally solve cold cases in Las Vegas. The Vegas

613
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Justice League actually just like the police before them, his

614
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: stone wall. But they knew that they had DNA and

615
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: who do they call on, Well, they call on our

616
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: friends at AUTHORA yep. And they were able to get

617
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: to get this sample. Uh, they raised the seventy five

618
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: dollars they usually.

619
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's again tip of the cap to the Vegas

620
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: Justice League, Joe exactly.

621
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: And now what you know, I don't want to prattle

622
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: on about this too long, but wouldn't it be so

623
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: beautiful It would be a beautiful thing if every state

624
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: could have an independent, independent of any government organization that

625
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: could have an organization like this that would do their

626
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: own funding and just push it, you know, push it.

627
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: You know, look if there's other places. And I think

628
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: that if David Middlemane was sitting right here right now,

629
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: he'd say, I just want to get through solved. It

630
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: doesn't the glory doesn't have to go to him necessarily,

631
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: just has a heart for this. If it could be

632
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: pushed toward an organization like this that could just take it,

633
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: because look, I don't know if people understand how many

634
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: cases happen in Vegas. Vegas. Vegas is not the most

635
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: violent place, but it's steady. People don't understand that. They

636
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: don't understand why cases go cold. Well, they go cold

637
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: because the lack of resources, lack of information, and new

638
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: cases come along. So all of your personnel are you know,

639
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: they're put toward that new task. That's it, because just

640
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: because you have one case doesn't mean the world stops

641
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: and you can stop the merry go around at that

642
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: point and know or the new cases, those cases are

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Speaker 1: coming in all the time. I even you know, I

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Speaker 1: have recollections, particularly one night where I had three separate

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Speaker 1: cases that were all unidentified in one night that I worked.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just one guy, you know, so how much

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Speaker 1: more so you expand that out over the nation, you

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Speaker 1: know how many of these cases are there out there?

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Speaker 1: But they were able to find a sample dave in

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Speaker 1: this particular case and finally provide a family with some answers,

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Speaker 1: and it was apparently retained by the Vegas police to

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Speaker 1: the point where the sample had not degraded. They were

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Speaker 1: able to get at the AUTHORM and if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: they identified a perpetrator in this case.

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Speaker 2: Day They took the profile and it's genetic genealogy. It's

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Speaker 2: the thing beyond DNA. It's one thing to have your profile,

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Speaker 2: it's another to do the genetic genialgy to find out

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Speaker 2: the relatives of this individual that you don't have. They

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Speaker 2: don't have this person as not in code is this

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Speaker 2: person's DNA is nowhere in the system. So they have

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Speaker 2: to go and find other people that might be real.

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Speaker 2: That's where genetic genealogy comes in. That's where the brilliant

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Speaker 2: minds at authorm are working. And they were able to

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Speaker 2: come up with a name. Thirty years to the day

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Speaker 2: she was murdered Joe August twenty sixth, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: AUTHORM came up with the name Arthur Lavery. The police

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Speaker 2: followed it up and determined he was the suspect, but

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Speaker 2: Arthur Lavery died in twenty twenty one heart disease complications

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Speaker 2: of COVID. He was a guy who had been living

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Speaker 2: in Vegas at the time that the murder took place.

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Speaker 2: He had moved away to California. The case was cold,

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Speaker 2: he got away with it and died in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: He never popped up. He had one assault charge in

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Speaker 2: his life and it was prior to DNA being collected

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Speaker 2: from criminals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you really wonder, I think you know that,

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Speaker 1: you truly wonder if you know the people that perpetrate

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Speaker 1: these kinds of crimes, if they're not, if they're not

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Speaker 1: leaving something behind at the scene that could tie them back,

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Speaker 1: Because you know, there's two separate databases with cotis. You

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Speaker 1: have the known and then you have the forensic database,

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Speaker 1: which is the unknowns being able to track them back

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Speaker 1: through TOM And they didn't get a hit on either

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Speaker 1: one of those. And you begin to think about this person.

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Speaker 1: Did he just start that night in nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 1: of snatching this young mother off of the streets Fremont

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Speaker 1: in Vegas and decides to take her out into that dark,

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Speaker 1: dark night and brutalize her out there he did, and

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Speaker 1: discard her like rubbish. Well, the truth has finally come out,

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Speaker 1: and God bless those that pursue the truth. God bless

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Speaker 1: Melanie's family. She still has a son that's out there.

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Speaker 1: He's thirty three years old now, and maybe this will

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Speaker 1: provide him with some answers. Friends, please hear me right.

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Speaker 1: If you have an interest in helping to solve those

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Speaker 1: questions that seem maybe unanswerable, I urge you, each and

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Speaker 1: every one of you, please just go and explore. Go

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Speaker 1: and explore DNA Solves. That's DNA solves dot com, and

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Speaker 1: you'll see the cases that are open that authorm are

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Speaker 1: currently processing working on and they're looking for help. They

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Speaker 1: have no money coming in. This is all independently funded,

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Speaker 1: and they'll take anything you got. If you've just got

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Speaker 1: a few bucks you want to send their way, maybe

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Speaker 1: that dollar that you send in will finally give, like

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Speaker 1: Melanie's family, a few answers that they were missing and

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Speaker 1: led to her case being solved after thirty years. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags