Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to the one and
Speaker 1: only West Hodko. Wits were coming to you here from
Speaker 1: our studios at lambeau Field West. A couple of things
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on from Sunday's Green Bay
Speaker 1: thirty victory down in Dallas that we didn't get to
Speaker 1: on yesterday's show. We kind of had to hustle and
Speaker 1: rush out of here because we had interviews in the
Speaker 1: locker room to get to. So following up. The Packers
Speaker 1: had to dig a little deeper into their depth chart
Speaker 1: in this game than maybe they have for the first
Speaker 1: four games of the regular season. And it wasn't just
Speaker 1: because Davante Adams was out at wide receiver and Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams was out at unning back, but in the defensive
Speaker 1: backfield and on the offensive line, we saw some pretty
Speaker 1: exemplary performances by chan Chandon Sullivan excuse me, who got
Speaker 1: a key interception in the first half of the Packers,
Speaker 1: and then by Lucas Patrick filling in for Corey Lindsley
Speaker 1: at center. Um. These are the kinds of performances that
Speaker 1: they go under the radar a little bit, but they
Speaker 1: really are the the unsung hero type of performances that
Speaker 1: help you pull out big road wins. So I'm not
Speaker 1: asking you to praise me here, I'm really not. But
Speaker 1: what did I tell you from like the end of July,
Speaker 1: beginning of August, what was one of my big things?
Speaker 1: I really thought Shannon Sullivan was a player? Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1: I was about this guy. And there was a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons why. One, he's really smart, and I think
Speaker 1: you gotta feel for that yesterday being in his group huddle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's incredible if you know his backstory
Speaker 1: at all, I mean three point eight whatever, g p
Speaker 1: A Georgia State, Georgia State, the way his family pushed him.
Speaker 1: I mean, football is a big part of who he is,
Speaker 1: but it's not the only thing about who he is.
Speaker 1: And I just was really you know, the interactions I
Speaker 1: had with him during training camp, but just was really
Speaker 1: fascinated by him as an individual. But even more than that,
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the Philadelphia Eagles were thinking
Speaker 1: back in May when they released him, because this is
Speaker 1: a guy who played five games for them last year
Speaker 1: as an undrafted free agent, started one game for him,
Speaker 1: and you know, they made a decision right after the
Speaker 1: draft that he evidently was on that nine bubble where
Speaker 1: they bring in some undrafted rookies, they moved on from him.
Speaker 1: You don't see that a lot um not necessary that
Speaker 1: that you don't stick with guys, but the fact that
Speaker 1: you you have a guy that plays for you is
Speaker 1: up for five six weeks and then you just decided
Speaker 1: to move on. So he falls right in the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers lap. And I thought throughout training camp he
Speaker 1: displayed a lot of versatility, thought he showed a lot
Speaker 1: of athleticism. And now given this opportunity in this game
Speaker 1: playing the nickel slot position with all the injuries that
Speaker 1: had mold in the secondary, he steps up in a
Speaker 1: big way and makes a really key leaping interception um
Speaker 1: in one of three that the Packers were able to
Speaker 1: get off of Dak Prescott. I've really been impressed by
Speaker 1: him as a player, and I just think that this
Speaker 1: was sort of the manifestation of that in that game
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. Well, he's certainly the perfect example of
Speaker 1: why and how a personnel department scouts the entire league.
Speaker 1: They have their files on everybody when they're coming out
Speaker 1: for the draft. The guys get drafted, other guys go undrafted,
Speaker 1: but they're around other teams, and then the pro scouts
Speaker 1: take over and they're scouting these guys, and when guys
Speaker 1: that they like become available for whatever reason, whatever reason,
Speaker 1: it didn't work out in Philadelphia, the Packers pounced on
Speaker 1: Channon Sullivan. They brought him in, They gave him a
Speaker 1: chance to compete in a very competitive defensive backfield, as
Speaker 1: as we saw throughout training camp. But what we also
Speaker 1: saw is how many defensive backs the Packers kept on
Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster, specifically four situations like this
Speaker 1: where you went into the game aim not knowing if
Speaker 1: Kevin King was going to play. Tony Brown you knew
Speaker 1: was going to be out with his hamstring injury. So
Speaker 1: you're digging into that depth chart a little bit, and
Speaker 1: here's Chandon Sullivan, who, Yes, the main part of his
Speaker 1: story is that he was an undrafted player who has
Speaker 1: had to take the hard road to the NFL. But
Speaker 1: as you said, West, it wasn't like walking out there
Speaker 1: against the Dallas Cowboys that he was some rookie who
Speaker 1: hadn't done this before. He had NFL experience, and the
Speaker 1: Packers have a little bit more of that, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it with Lucas Patrick as well at center.
Speaker 1: The Packers have more of that in their depth chart
Speaker 1: now then maybe we've seen in the last couple of years. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I got to tip my captain Tom silverseein from
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I was in a group huddle
Speaker 1: with him talking to Jason Simmons, the Packers secondary coach,
Speaker 1: on Monday. He was actually the one that brought this
Speaker 1: question up before. I did you know in these previous years,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of times where the Packers, if
Speaker 1: an injury happens, they have to turn to an undrafted rookie,
Speaker 1: a legitimate like first year player. The way that they've
Speaker 1: configured this depth chart this year, and it is probably
Speaker 1: the reason why you saw it not as many undrafted
Speaker 1: rookies make the team this year was because Will Redmond
Speaker 1: is in his third NFL season. He's the backup safety
Speaker 1: now Chandon Sullivan makes the roster. They're at cornerback as
Speaker 1: a guy that already has one year under his belt.
Speaker 1: These are both guys that have not only you know,
Speaker 1: been through an NFL camp before but they've actually played
Speaker 1: in NFL regular season games before, so when they get
Speaker 1: thrown into those situations, it's not just completely you know,
Speaker 1: wide open in terms of their eyes and trying to
Speaker 1: adapt and adjust on the fly. They've been through some
Speaker 1: of these scenarios. So I think that was one thing
Speaker 1: that really lifted the Packers in this game. The fact that, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have a guy like Will Redmond that you feel
Speaker 1: confident in. You can put him on the back end.
Speaker 1: You can slide up Adrian Amos into the box to
Speaker 1: play closer to the line of scrimmage. You can put
Speaker 1: Channon Sullivan in at nickel cornerback, you can slide him around.
Speaker 1: You know. Jason Simmons said this was all by design,
Speaker 1: the way that they designed these things in training camp.
Speaker 1: He wanted to give these guys opportunities to make the
Speaker 1: roster by showing versatility. But through that you start to
Speaker 1: understand what these guys can really handle. Yeah. Well, and
Speaker 1: give credit to Channon Sullivan too, for a key play
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. It didn't work out in the
Speaker 1: Packers favor. Excuse me, but he was all over Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb and slot on the pass into the end zone
Speaker 1: that was a little bit high and got tipped and
Speaker 1: that Redmond picked off in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: Off the deflection ended up getting wiped out by a
Speaker 1: penalty and the Packers did not get the turnover. But
Speaker 1: that was another play that Sullivan made, you know, guarding
Speaker 1: a veteran accomplished wide receiver obviously in Randall Cobb, and
Speaker 1: I took my cap to him for the celebration after
Speaker 1: his interception. He talked about this at his locker, that
Speaker 1: he did the slide on the knees into the end
Speaker 1: zone and and you know, stretched out his arms before
Speaker 1: the rest of his teammates came around him. And that
Speaker 1: was a tribute to Nick Collins and his pick six
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl forty five in that same stadium. And
Speaker 1: he talked about how there's that picture of Collins is
Speaker 1: actually on kind of right on the corner of the
Speaker 1: outside of the cafeteria near the player's entrance when they
Speaker 1: when they enter and leave the building on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: So he'd seen that picture. And I forget what grade
Speaker 1: he said he was in when he was watching, want
Speaker 1: to say it was like seventh or eight or something
Speaker 1: like that. He was pretty young, but but he he
Speaker 1: did watch he saw that Super Bowl live and saw
Speaker 1: that play, and then seeing the picture of that from
Speaker 1: a T and T stadium in the Packers player entrance area,
Speaker 1: he decided, Okay, well if I get one at a
Speaker 1: T and T stadium, I'll I'll tip my cap to
Speaker 1: Nick Colin. I really wish I could be a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall in these defensive back meetings when they're
Speaker 1: talking about what they want to do for celebrations. That
Speaker 1: was one thing Sullivan said. Basically, the veterans had already
Speaker 1: talked to him about, Okay, if you make a play,
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready to celebrate somehow. You've been thinking
Speaker 1: about that and these are the things that goes through
Speaker 1: guys minds Um, I thought a really nice homage to
Speaker 1: that play, um and just understanding of history there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can tell that was something that wasn't just like
Speaker 1: he was trying to do it just to do it.
Speaker 1: He knew what that play meant and to be able
Speaker 1: to kind of celebrate in that way I thought was
Speaker 1: really special. Jannon Sullivan, I think is gonna have a
Speaker 1: bright future here in Green Bay. But Mike, we have
Speaker 1: to talk about Lucas Patrick. I mean, what a mention
Speaker 1: this guy is. I mean, you wrote a story about
Speaker 1: it on packers dot Com. You're not going to tout
Speaker 1: your horns, so I'll tute it for you. It's an
Speaker 1: incredible look not only into the relationship between Lucas Patrick
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers, but also the thing that really strikes
Speaker 1: me about that story, Lucas Patrick, when it's all said
Speaker 1: and done for him, he's going to go down as
Speaker 1: one of the real true undrafted success stories in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: And you know, you can talk about your story a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's incredible to me that Corey Lensley
Speaker 1: plays consecutive snaps spanning two and a half almost three seasons,
Speaker 1: and here's Lucas Patrick, who never played center in college.
Speaker 1: He's suddenly thrust into that role where you're snapping to
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and just hearing and learning about their relationship
Speaker 1: and and everything that's gone into it. It's, uh, it's
Speaker 1: really neat. It's it's really cool that that that that
Speaker 1: story really struck a chord with me. Yeah. Well, the
Speaker 1: story kind of starts back at the beginning of Patrick's
Speaker 1: second season in Green Bay, which technically ended up being
Speaker 1: his first season as an NFL player because his rookie
Speaker 1: year he was on the practice squad, so he didn't
Speaker 1: get on a crude season um in terms of free
Speaker 1: agency status and whatnot. But he's in his second preseason
Speaker 1: with the Packers in the summer of and his mom
Speaker 1: is visiting from out of town and one day, kind
Speaker 1: of random training camp day, whatever the case might be,
Speaker 1: Patrick and his mom are leaving the players parking lot
Speaker 1: in his mom's Ford Escape and Rogers an early two
Speaker 1: thousand four escape, so this vehicle is probably fifteen fifteen
Speaker 1: years old something like that. Rogers, completely out of the blue,
Speaker 1: is walking through the players parking lot and he walks
Speaker 1: up to the vehicle and he knocks on the window
Speaker 1: and has Patrick's mom like rolled down the window so
Speaker 1: that he can introduce himself to his teammates mom. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you, this is a guy who has done nothing
Speaker 1: but spend one year on the practice squad, hasn't been
Speaker 1: on a regular season field in the NFL yet, hasn't
Speaker 1: really taken any legitimate snaps with Aaron Rodgers as an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman at this point. But Rogers knows that Patrick
Speaker 1: was raised pretty much by his mom uh solo. She
Speaker 1: raised two kids and uh Um and Patrick ended up
Speaker 1: going to Duke where he had a really nice career
Speaker 1: as a Duke Blue Devil before making his way into
Speaker 1: the NFL. And Patrick was kind of blown away by that,
Speaker 1: by just the fact that Rogers would strike up a
Speaker 1: conversation introduce himself to his mom, and then fast forward
Speaker 1: now to training camp in twenty nineteen. Patrick is taking
Speaker 1: on a lot of duties at Center that he's not
Speaker 1: necessarily used to because his two years on the active
Speaker 1: roster he had pretty much played guard, had started about
Speaker 1: a half dozen games as a backup. He's fighting to
Speaker 1: make the roster again in twenty nineteen and not things
Speaker 1: maybe not going the best in terms of adjusting to
Speaker 1: the scheme and all the stuff he's being asked to
Speaker 1: do at Center to back up Lindsley and everything. He's
Speaker 1: kind of down during training camp and one day at lunch,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers sits down at the lunch table with him
Speaker 1: and just to have a conversation and see how he's doing,
Speaker 1: try to, you know, give him a pep talk or
Speaker 1: something like that for lack of a better term, And
Speaker 1: Rogers didn't say much from what it sounds like, but
Speaker 1: the conversation meant everything to Lucas Patrick. He he's like
Speaker 1: the quarterback kind of has my back and believes in
Speaker 1: me here. And Patrick was then asked, we were a
Speaker 1: group of reporters, we were talking to him yesterday in
Speaker 1: the locker room. He's asked, well, then when did things
Speaker 1: start to turn around for you and training him, because
Speaker 1: obviously then he made the team and he is the
Speaker 1: backup center on this team. And his answer was the
Speaker 1: turnaround was immediate. He says, when you feel like number
Speaker 1: twelve has your back, it's like the whole state of
Speaker 1: Wisconsin has your back. And the boost of confidence that
Speaker 1: that gave him, and just getting that reminder from Rogers
Speaker 1: that hey, you've played in this league, you've proven you
Speaker 1: belong here. Just go out do your thing and be you.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll take care of itself, because you know, he's
Speaker 1: got the toughness, he's got the smarts, he's got the
Speaker 1: work ethic, everything like that. And it has worked out.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, Patrick gets thrown into
Speaker 1: a game against the Cowboys nine people a T and
Speaker 1: T Stadium. He's never played center in an NFL game
Speaker 1: before regular season game and the Packers offense quite frankly,
Speaker 1: doesn't skip a beat three or four points. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: a couple of snaps that were shotgun snaps that were
Speaker 1: off target. Fortunately Aaron Jones was able to catch him
Speaker 1: and still make positive plays. Those are the things that
Speaker 1: Patrick is going to work on. But but his relationship
Speaker 1: with Rogers is really interesting, and it's it's illustrative of
Speaker 1: how young players who have fought the hard road to
Speaker 1: get where they are in the NFL, what veteran players
Speaker 1: can do for them in certain situations, and also what
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers means to uh to the locker room in general.
Speaker 1: Patrick couldn't say enough about how much Rodgers has gone
Speaker 1: out of his way in certain instances to not only
Speaker 1: do that for him, but for others in the locker
Speaker 1: room as well. And it was just really really interesting
Speaker 1: getting the insights from an incredibly smart, incredibly tough, and
Speaker 1: incredibly humble player like Lucas. So so many different layers
Speaker 1: to this. The first thing I just want to touch
Speaker 1: on very quickly, because it's a very small part of
Speaker 1: a bigger story, is that I really appreciated the way
Speaker 1: that Lucas went about telling this because he even kind
Speaker 1: of warned you guys when you were in the huddle,
Speaker 1: like you got a minute? You know, there's only so
Speaker 1: much time. I don't think it only hears though I'm
Speaker 1: covering this team. I've ever had a player asked the
Speaker 1: media do you have him minute? Like do you have
Speaker 1: a minute? Um? But the reason I want to point
Speaker 1: this out is whatever outside narratives maybe, and there's been
Speaker 1: a lot thrown out in the last few years, there
Speaker 1: is one opinion, one relationship, one reality that truly matters.
Speaker 1: And it's what Lucas Patrick feels, It's what Davante Adams feels,
Speaker 1: It's what that locker room feels amongst each other, not
Speaker 1: just with the quarterback, with everyone. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: that matters, regardless of what the outside sentiment might be,
Speaker 1: because the thing is is that outside sentiment a lot
Speaker 1: of times is thrown out there to create discussion, to
Speaker 1: create narratives, to create conversation. But be that as it may,
Speaker 1: your word exactly. But what happens behind those closed doors
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria, in those interactions, that's what matters on Sunday.
Speaker 1: That's what matters to that team, to that camaraderie, that chemistry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the thing that struck me the most about
Speaker 1: Patrick's story in terms of in terms of the perspective,
Speaker 1: is that when we see whether it's Aaron Rodgers talking
Speaker 1: to mattel Floor or Aaron Rodgers talking to another guy
Speaker 1: in the huddle on the field or after a play
Speaker 1: or some reaction, that's that's heated, that's emotional, that's in
Speaker 1: the in the heat of battle, when things are tense
Speaker 1: and and and things are intense. Those are the things
Speaker 1: that everybody analyzes in terms of leadership and all these
Speaker 1: other narratives that we're talking about. It's the stuff that
Speaker 1: goes on in the cafeteria, in the locker room, behind
Speaker 1: closed doors that paints the entire picture. And if you
Speaker 1: don't know the entire picture, your analysis, quite frankly, isn't
Speaker 1: worth a whole lot. And what Patrick's story reminded me
Speaker 1: of is they're the interactions on the field. And he
Speaker 1: even said he was asked, you know, what, what did
Speaker 1: Rogers say about those bad snaps? And he's like, get
Speaker 1: a snap to me, you know, like it's pretty simple,
Speaker 1: like this is what you gotta do, and that's the
Speaker 1: reaction on the field. But a player like Patrick can
Speaker 1: take that and he said, I'll respond positively to that
Speaker 1: on the field because of the relationship that's been built
Speaker 1: elsewhere that people don't necessarily see. And so what I
Speaker 1: wanted to try to do in the story, and I
Speaker 1: hope I accomplished it, is to show that it's the
Speaker 1: entire picture of the relationship with these players that really matters,
Speaker 1: and as you said, it's ultimately their opinion is the
Speaker 1: only one that matters, because they're the only ones who
Speaker 1: know the whole story right absolutely. The second part I
Speaker 1: just want to touch on very quickly about this, looking
Speaker 1: strictly at Lucas Patrick, is this is the maturation of
Speaker 1: an NFL football player. He's no longer a tryout guy.
Speaker 1: He's no longer an undrafted free agent. He's no longer
Speaker 1: a practice squad player. He's an NFL player now. And
Speaker 1: I think Lucas understands that and he appreciates that, and
Speaker 1: that's the reason why he was feeling the way he
Speaker 1: felt in the cafeteria that day. This was a tough
Speaker 1: training camp for Lucas Patrick um competitively personally, you know,
Speaker 1: Justin mccraize is one of his best friends on this planet.
Speaker 1: Justin mccraie isn't here anymore. And the reality is is
Speaker 1: that he got traded in in you know, Domino's Fall,
Speaker 1: and that's life. Yeah, incredibly competitive offensive line training camp
Speaker 1: here for roster said it all along. I felt like
Speaker 1: this was the deepest that I've covered in my time
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. But here's the thing about Lucas Patrick
Speaker 1: is he wants to get better, he wants to be proved,
Speaker 1: and he's had this chip on his shoulder. I mean
Speaker 1: it comes from when you have one tryout offer, you
Speaker 1: don't even have any undrafted contracts out there. You have
Speaker 1: one tryout offer and it's from and it's from Green Bay.
Speaker 1: And then after that tryout weekend, you don't get a
Speaker 1: contract offer for another month or so exactly. And it
Speaker 1: goes home and he's thinking, he's going looking at the
Speaker 1: next phase of his life. And here he is now
Speaker 1: in his third NFL season, his third official NFL season,
Speaker 1: and now he's snapping Aaron Rodgers. I mean the steps
Speaker 1: that he's taken there, there is no I tweeted this
Speaker 1: when I tweeted your story on Tuesday night. Sorry, I'll
Speaker 1: mix up with my schedule. Yeah, I tweeted this out.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be hard pressed to find anyone more real
Speaker 1: than Lucas Patrick. And I think that's one reason why
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, he's gonna have a
Speaker 1: bright future ahead of him in this league. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this is one of those guys. He's he's one of
Speaker 1: the first guys to defend a teammate. He's one of
Speaker 1: the first guys to throw himself into a scrum if
Speaker 1: something's going on, whether it's in a game or whether
Speaker 1: it's in a training camp, practice, and and whatnot. And
Speaker 1: now we'll see moving forward, Corey Lindsley is in the
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. We'll see what happens if he's able to
Speaker 1: get cleared and ready to go from Monday night against
Speaker 1: the Lions, or if Lucas Patrick will end up getting
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Speaker 1: I do want to touch on a few of the
Speaker 1: Week five results around the NFL. The one, the most
Speaker 1: significant one affecting the Packers occurred across the pond in London,
Speaker 1: a really interesting ball game as the Oakland Raiders jumped
Speaker 1: out to a seventeen to nothing lead on the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: The Bears came all the way back to take a
Speaker 1: twenty one to seventeen lead in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 1: then lo and behold that Bears defense somehow, and I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure how this happens with a defense that good,
Speaker 1: but they allowed the Oakland Raiders to go ninety seven
Speaker 1: yards for what turned out to be the game winning
Speaker 1: touchdown in the fourth quarter, and the Bears dropped to
Speaker 1: three and two. The Packers are four and one, and
Speaker 1: that is why the Packers are in sole possession of
Speaker 1: first place in the NFC. Know, well, these are the
Speaker 1: I always call them the gotta have them games, And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is there's no positive implications
Speaker 1: of that result other than the Bears losing. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the outcome if you're cheering for the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: When you see those inner those in truck conference games,
Speaker 1: that right, or inter conference games. But I always just
Speaker 1: say cross conferences because then I don't have to worry about.
Speaker 1: I like cross conference prefixes correct, but when it's when
Speaker 1: you're going against THEFC, you want the FC to win absolutely.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this right now, I'll put this out
Speaker 1: there about John Gruden's team. They still have a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do. Josh Jacobs is gonna be a
Speaker 1: really talented running back in this year, in this league
Speaker 1: for years to come. David Derek Carr, they established him
Speaker 1: as their franchise quarterback, but I think they got a
Speaker 1: run with Jacobs now. And to see him have that
Speaker 1: kind of showing against that defense, Um, that's how you
Speaker 1: get to it. That's how you beat a dominant defense.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to run against it. The
Speaker 1: Raiders did that overseas, and now the Chicago Bears have
Speaker 1: some questions to answer. Yeah, and the Bears get now
Speaker 1: get a bye week coming off of the travel to London.
Speaker 1: They get a bye week to stew about a game
Speaker 1: that they felt they had their backup quarterback Chase Daniel
Speaker 1: getting him close to field goal range to potentially tie
Speaker 1: it at the end and get it to overtime. He
Speaker 1: throws an interception and uh and the Bears take their
Speaker 1: second loss of the season. We did see the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: Turns out their show does travel. They got their first
Speaker 1: they got their first road win of the year. Um
Speaker 1: the defense really clamped down on Daniel Jones, the rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Giants. New York only scores ten points.
Speaker 1: Minnesota gets big games out of Adam Theland and Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook despite all the distraction wherever you want to call
Speaker 1: it that's going on with Stefon Diggs, but Adam Theland
Speaker 1: and Dalvin Cook looking like the real go to guys
Speaker 1: for Kirk Coz. They had to be what did I
Speaker 1: say last week? You have to be able to throw
Speaker 1: against the New York Giants. You just have to be
Speaker 1: able to do that if you're going to legitimately be
Speaker 1: able to say you're turning this thing around. That was
Speaker 1: probably the performance they needed. It's sort of like that
Speaker 1: tune up fight a little bit, right, I mean, you
Speaker 1: just kind of get your your momentum back, you get
Speaker 1: your gusto back a little bit. They got it out
Speaker 1: of that game and also helped them that the Giants
Speaker 1: lost Wayne Gelman and that sort of had been that
Speaker 1: Barkley replacement. Without that, right, they were already thout Barkley,
Speaker 1: Can I close on one thing? Yeah, San Francisco forty Niners,
Speaker 1: man are really legit. I was that that was the
Speaker 1: next one I was gonna ask you, But I know
Speaker 1: that's a an opponent further down the road for the Packers.
Speaker 1: This week it's the Detroit Lions who are coming off
Speaker 1: of bye at the to one on one Mark and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about them quite a bit on tomorrow's show.
Speaker 1: But yes, the San Francisco forty owners don't look now
Speaker 1: they're four and oh and they're looking awfully tough. I've
Speaker 1: said this to a buddy of mine watching the game
Speaker 1: on Monday night. They are the Tim Duncan in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now. They are the big fundamental Uh. They
Speaker 1: don't do stuff that's gonna wow you. Jimmy Garoppolo does
Speaker 1: have his weak spots, but they are a well oiled
Speaker 1: machine and they play to the scheme that Kyle Shanahan has.
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna be challenged here if Kyle Ustcheck is
Speaker 1: going to be out a month or whatever that knee.
Speaker 1: Indrey ends up being yeah, very very dynamic fullback and
Speaker 1: a guy who's been a key to that offensive scheme
Speaker 1: and production in two thousand nineteen. It's so strange when
Speaker 1: you can actually say, I mean, he is the fullback
Speaker 1: that makes that offense work, that's the run game work.
Speaker 1: He makes their outside zone work out. Uh. And George
Speaker 1: Kittle was at the peak of his powers in that performance. Defensively,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a boast. Is just a different
Speaker 1: type of player, and he's a beast. Cleveland has issues
Speaker 1: on their offensive line right now, but for them to
Speaker 1: get the penetration that they got, they are just a
Speaker 1: well oiled machine right now. And it's gonna be fun
Speaker 1: to watch them see where this season goes and what
Speaker 1: potentially the implications of that game in San Francisco could be,
Speaker 1: or technically San Jose when the Packers meet them in November. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean coming up, the Packers will be traveling out
Speaker 1: West to play the forty Niners, and we have yet
Speaker 1: to see the forty Niners play either of their contending
Speaker 1: division rivals in the Rams or the Seahawks. Those are
Speaker 1: four games to forty Niners Rams games to forty nine
Speaker 1: Seahawks games that are coming up here over the course
Speaker 1: of the next three months that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are going to be watchings. I get a kick out
Speaker 1: of this one too. Next week he got the forty
Speaker 1: Niners and Rams play. So it's next week, and I
Speaker 1: think it's like a regional television game, Like if I
Speaker 1: undertood that correctly, let's see here, Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? The Giants know which one is. There's there's
Speaker 1: a really bad like game in meanwhile, like the people
Speaker 1: in California are gonna be able to watch and Rams play.
Speaker 1: They're defending NFC champs against an undefeated forty Niners team,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be hardly any portion of the country
Speaker 1: that gets to watch. It's Cowboys versus Jets as the
Speaker 1: national game. Oh boy, wow, but that's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some great NFC West matchups coming here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I think that that is. That is
Speaker 1: a division too, That is a division to watch because
Speaker 1: those teams are gonna have much like the NFC North
Speaker 1: teams we've been talking about, They're gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of games as we go along here with with playoff implications,
Speaker 1: because I think we're already seeing there are going to
Speaker 1: be some good teams in the NFC that are not
Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs because it's it's just that competitive.
Speaker 1: Yesterday you were talking about, you know, the NFC East,
Speaker 1: and you know how you had Philadelphia and Dallas both competing.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you get enough losses, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: behind the driver's seat there too. So right now, the
Speaker 1: North and the West are driving this thing and the
Speaker 1: Packers have to keep pace. Yeah, alright, with that, we'll
Speaker 1: call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
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