WEBVTT - #450 Packers Unscripted: Digging deep 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:20.880 Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.599 I am Mike Spofford sitting next to the one and 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.680 only West Hodko. Wits were coming to you here from 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.240 our studios at lambeau Field West. A couple of things 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.280 I want to follow up on from Sunday's Green Bay 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.280 thirty victory down in Dallas that we didn't get to 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.000 on yesterday's show. We kind of had to hustle and 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.080 rush out of here because we had interviews in the 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.000 locker room to get to. So following up. The Packers 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.520 had to dig a little deeper into their depth chart 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:54.000 in this game than maybe they have for the first 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.200 four games of the regular season. And it wasn't just 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.040 because Davante Adams was out at wide receiver and Jamal 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.080 Williams was out at unning back, but in the defensive 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:07.920 backfield and on the offensive line, we saw some pretty 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.280 exemplary performances by chan Chandon Sullivan excuse me, who got 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.520 a key interception in the first half of the Packers, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.759 and then by Lucas Patrick filling in for Corey Lindsley 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.280 at center. Um. These are the kinds of performances that 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.440 they go under the radar a little bit, but they 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.760 really are the the unsung hero type of performances that 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.800 help you pull out big road wins. So I'm not 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.840 asking you to praise me here, I'm really not. But 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.040 what did I tell you from like the end of July, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.600 beginning of August, what was one of my big things? 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.040 I really thought Shannon Sullivan was a player? Yeah, you did. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.880 I was about this guy. And there was a couple 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.480 of reasons why. One, he's really smart, and I think 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.280 you gotta feel for that yesterday being in his group huddle. Yeah, 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.560 I mean, it's it's incredible if you know his backstory 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.360 at all, I mean three point eight whatever, g p 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.360 A Georgia State, Georgia State, the way his family pushed him. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.520 I mean, football is a big part of who he is, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.400 but it's not the only thing about who he is. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.160 And I just was really you know, the interactions I 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.200 had with him during training camp, but just was really 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.520 fascinated by him as an individual. But even more than that, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.520 I don't know exactly what the Philadelphia Eagles were thinking 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.079 back in May when they released him, because this is 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.160 a guy who played five games for them last year 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.720 as an undrafted free agent, started one game for him, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.239 and you know, they made a decision right after the 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.320 draft that he evidently was on that nine bubble where 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.240 they bring in some undrafted rookies, they moved on from him. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.280 You don't see that a lot um not necessary that 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.160 that you don't stick with guys, but the fact that 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.040 you you have a guy that plays for you is 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.320 up for five six weeks and then you just decided 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.519 to move on. So he falls right in the Green 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.520 Bay Packers lap. And I thought throughout training camp he 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.000 displayed a lot of versatility, thought he showed a lot 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.560 of athleticism. And now given this opportunity in this game 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.560 playing the nickel slot position with all the injuries that 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.080 had mold in the secondary, he steps up in a 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.600 big way and makes a really key leaping interception um 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.519 in one of three that the Packers were able to 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.320 get off of Dak Prescott. I've really been impressed by 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.400 him as a player, and I just think that this 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.359 was sort of the manifestation of that in that game 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.640 against the Cowboys. Well, he's certainly the perfect example of 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.959 why and how a personnel department scouts the entire league. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.560 They have their files on everybody when they're coming out 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.760 for the draft. The guys get drafted, other guys go undrafted, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.320 but they're around other teams, and then the pro scouts 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.400 take over and they're scouting these guys, and when guys 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.360 that they like become available for whatever reason, whatever reason, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.840 it didn't work out in Philadelphia, the Packers pounced on 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.880 Channon Sullivan. They brought him in, They gave him a 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.800 chance to compete in a very competitive defensive backfield, as 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.400 as we saw throughout training camp. But what we also 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.600 saw is how many defensive backs the Packers kept on 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.120 the fifty three man roster, specifically four situations like this 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.720 where you went into the game aim not knowing if 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.280 Kevin King was going to play. Tony Brown you knew 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.400 was going to be out with his hamstring injury. So 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.360 you're digging into that depth chart a little bit, and 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.680 here's Chandon Sullivan, who, Yes, the main part of his 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.640 story is that he was an undrafted player who has 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.719 had to take the hard road to the NFL. But 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.560 as you said, West, it wasn't like walking out there 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.120 against the Dallas Cowboys that he was some rookie who 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.599 hadn't done this before. He had NFL experience, and the 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.960 Packers have a little bit more of that, and we'll 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.520 talk about it with Lucas Patrick as well at center. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.120 The Packers have more of that in their depth chart 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.080 now then maybe we've seen in the last couple of years. Absolutely, 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.080 And I got to tip my captain Tom silverseein from 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.120 the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I was in a group huddle 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.320 with him talking to Jason Simmons, the Packers secondary coach, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.960 on Monday. He was actually the one that brought this 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.600 question up before. I did you know in these previous years, 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.080 there was a lot of times where the Packers, if 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.520 an injury happens, they have to turn to an undrafted rookie, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.760 a legitimate like first year player. The way that they've 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.640 configured this depth chart this year, and it is probably 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.480 the reason why you saw it not as many undrafted 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.960 rookies make the team this year was because Will Redmond 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.640 is in his third NFL season. He's the backup safety 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.440 now Chandon Sullivan makes the roster. They're at cornerback as 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.359 a guy that already has one year under his belt. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.640 These are both guys that have not only you know, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.479 been through an NFL camp before but they've actually played 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.400 in NFL regular season games before, so when they get 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.560 thrown into those situations, it's not just completely you know, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.440 wide open in terms of their eyes and trying to 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.359 adapt and adjust on the fly. They've been through some 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.960 of these scenarios. So I think that was one thing 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.760 that really lifted the Packers in this game. The fact that, Okay, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.280 you have a guy like Will Redmond that you feel 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.240 confident in. You can put him on the back end. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.440 You can slide up Adrian Amos into the box to 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.600 play closer to the line of scrimmage. You can put 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.320 Channon Sullivan in at nickel cornerback, you can slide him around. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.039 You know. Jason Simmons said this was all by design, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.640 the way that they designed these things in training camp. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.479 He wanted to give these guys opportunities to make the 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.720 roster by showing versatility. But through that you start to 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.120 understand what these guys can really handle. Yeah. Well, and 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.080 give credit to Channon Sullivan too, for a key play 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:07.960 in the fourth quarter. It didn't work out in the 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.480 Packers favor. Excuse me, but he was all over Randall 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.920 Cobb and slot on the pass into the end zone 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.640 that was a little bit high and got tipped and 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.800 that Redmond picked off in the back of the end zone. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.320 Off the deflection ended up getting wiped out by a 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.760 penalty and the Packers did not get the turnover. But 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.800 that was another play that Sullivan made, you know, guarding 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.080 a veteran accomplished wide receiver obviously in Randall Cobb, and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.400 I took my cap to him for the celebration after 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.599 his interception. He talked about this at his locker, that 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.240 he did the slide on the knees into the end 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.000 zone and and you know, stretched out his arms before 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.000 the rest of his teammates came around him. And that 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.520 was a tribute to Nick Collins and his pick six 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.680 in Super Bowl forty five in that same stadium. And 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.440 he talked about how there's that picture of Collins is 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.440 actually on kind of right on the corner of the 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.920 outside of the cafeteria near the player's entrance when they 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.160 when they enter and leave the building on a daily basis, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.239 So he'd seen that picture. And I forget what grade 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.720 he said he was in when he was watching, want 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.880 to say it was like seventh or eight or something 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.400 like that. He was pretty young, but but he he 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.800 did watch he saw that Super Bowl live and saw 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.000 that play, and then seeing the picture of that from 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.520 a T and T stadium in the Packers player entrance area, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.480 he decided, Okay, well if I get one at a 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.000 T and T stadium, I'll I'll tip my cap to 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.760 Nick Colin. I really wish I could be a fly 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.960 on the wall in these defensive back meetings when they're 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.000 talking about what they want to do for celebrations. That 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.560 was one thing Sullivan said. Basically, the veterans had already 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.040 talked to him about, Okay, if you make a play, 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.080 you gotta be ready to celebrate somehow. You've been thinking 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.440 about that and these are the things that goes through 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.200 guys minds Um, I thought a really nice homage to 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.440 that play, um and just understanding of history there. I mean, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.360 you can tell that was something that wasn't just like 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.280 he was trying to do it just to do it. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.120 He knew what that play meant and to be able 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.600 to kind of celebrate in that way I thought was 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.040 really special. Jannon Sullivan, I think is gonna have a 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.760 bright future here in Green Bay. But Mike, we have 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.280 to talk about Lucas Patrick. I mean, what a mention 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.320 this guy is. I mean, you wrote a story about 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.760 it on packers dot Com. You're not going to tout 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.520 your horns, so I'll tute it for you. It's an 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.239 incredible look not only into the relationship between Lucas Patrick 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.400 and Aaron Rodgers, but also the thing that really strikes 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.640 me about that story, Lucas Patrick, when it's all said 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.760 and done for him, he's going to go down as 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.560 one of the real true undrafted success stories in Green Bay. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.280 And you know, you can talk about your story a 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.520 little bit, but it's incredible to me that Corey Lensley 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:47.760 plays consecutive snaps spanning two and a half almost three seasons, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.000 and here's Lucas Patrick, who never played center in college. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.559 He's suddenly thrust into that role where you're snapping to 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.439 Aaron Rodgers and just hearing and learning about their relationship 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.320 and and everything that's gone into it. It's, uh, it's 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.240 really neat. It's it's really cool that that that that 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.520 story really struck a chord with me. Yeah. Well, the 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:11.359 story kind of starts back at the beginning of Patrick's 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.400 second season in Green Bay, which technically ended up being 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.680 his first season as an NFL player because his rookie 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.800 year he was on the practice squad, so he didn't 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.320 get on a crude season um in terms of free 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.480 agency status and whatnot. But he's in his second preseason 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:33.760 with the Packers in the summer of and his mom 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.840 is visiting from out of town and one day, kind 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.400 of random training camp day, whatever the case might be, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.120 Patrick and his mom are leaving the players parking lot 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:50.800 in his mom's Ford Escape and Rogers an early two 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.600 thousand four escape, so this vehicle is probably fifteen fifteen 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.640 years old something like that. Rogers, completely out of the blue, 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.760 is walking through the players parking lot and he walks 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.320 up to the vehicle and he knocks on the window 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.680 and has Patrick's mom like rolled down the window so 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.800 that he can introduce himself to his teammates mom. Now, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.760 mind you, this is a guy who has done nothing 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.720 but spend one year on the practice squad, hasn't been 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.000 on a regular season field in the NFL yet, hasn't 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.440 really taken any legitimate snaps with Aaron Rodgers as an 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:29.000 offensive lineman at this point. But Rogers knows that Patrick 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.320 was raised pretty much by his mom uh solo. She 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.520 raised two kids and uh Um and Patrick ended up 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.240 going to Duke where he had a really nice career 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.800 as a Duke Blue Devil before making his way into 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.360 the NFL. And Patrick was kind of blown away by that, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.240 by just the fact that Rogers would strike up a 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.240 conversation introduce himself to his mom, and then fast forward 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.720 now to training camp in twenty nineteen. Patrick is taking 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.800 on a lot of duties at Center that he's not 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.040 necessarily used to because his two years on the active 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.360 roster he had pretty much played guard, had started about 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.839 a half dozen games as a backup. He's fighting to 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:16.760 make the roster again in twenty nineteen and not things 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.880 maybe not going the best in terms of adjusting to 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.640 the scheme and all the stuff he's being asked to 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.280 do at Center to back up Lindsley and everything. He's 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.600 kind of down during training camp and one day at lunch, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.320 Aaron Rodgers sits down at the lunch table with him 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.880 and just to have a conversation and see how he's doing, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.400 try to, you know, give him a pep talk or 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.400 something like that for lack of a better term, And 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.760 Rogers didn't say much from what it sounds like, but 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.840 the conversation meant everything to Lucas Patrick. He he's like 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.280 the quarterback kind of has my back and believes in 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.000 me here. And Patrick was then asked, we were a 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.000 group of reporters, we were talking to him yesterday in 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.040 the locker room. He's asked, well, then when did things 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.080 start to turn around for you and training him, because 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.880 obviously then he made the team and he is the 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.600 backup center on this team. And his answer was the 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.480 turnaround was immediate. He says, when you feel like number 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.679 twelve has your back, it's like the whole state of 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.120 Wisconsin has your back. And the boost of confidence that 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:17.080 that gave him, and just getting that reminder from Rogers 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.400 that hey, you've played in this league, you've proven you 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.400 belong here. Just go out do your thing and be you. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.960 It'll it'll take care of itself, because you know, he's 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.040 got the toughness, he's got the smarts, he's got the 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.240 work ethic, everything like that. And it has worked out. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.480 And now all of a sudden, Patrick gets thrown into 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.319 a game against the Cowboys nine people a T and 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.040 T Stadium. He's never played center in an NFL game 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.200 before regular season game and the Packers offense quite frankly, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.040 doesn't skip a beat three or four points. Um. Yes, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.680 a couple of snaps that were shotgun snaps that were 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.199 off target. Fortunately Aaron Jones was able to catch him 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.600 and still make positive plays. Those are the things that 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.880 Patrick is going to work on. But but his relationship 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.120 with Rogers is really interesting, and it's it's illustrative of 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.480 how young players who have fought the hard road to 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.480 get where they are in the NFL, what veteran players 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.680 can do for them in certain situations, and also what 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.160 Aaron Rodgers means to uh to the locker room in general. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.840 Patrick couldn't say enough about how much Rodgers has gone 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.080 out of his way in certain instances to not only 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:23.880 do that for him, but for others in the locker 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.679 room as well. And it was just really really interesting 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.760 getting the insights from an incredibly smart, incredibly tough, and 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.880 incredibly humble player like Lucas. So so many different layers 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.880 to this. The first thing I just want to touch 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.760 on very quickly, because it's a very small part of 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.320 a bigger story, is that I really appreciated the way 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.520 that Lucas went about telling this because he even kind 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.199 of warned you guys when you were in the huddle, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.760 like you got a minute? You know, there's only so 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.200 much time. I don't think it only hears though I'm 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.240 covering this team. I've ever had a player asked the 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.240 media do you have him minute? Like do you have 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.600 a minute? Um? But the reason I want to point 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.760 this out is whatever outside narratives maybe, and there's been 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.680 a lot thrown out in the last few years, there 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:16.240 is one opinion, one relationship, one reality that truly matters. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.360 And it's what Lucas Patrick feels, It's what Davante Adams feels, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.600 It's what that locker room feels amongst each other, not 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:29.160 just with the quarterback, with everyone. That's the only thing 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:34.440 that matters, regardless of what the outside sentiment might be, 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.960 because the thing is is that outside sentiment a lot 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.040 of times is thrown out there to create discussion, to 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:48.840 create narratives, to create conversation. But be that as it may, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.960 your word exactly. But what happens behind those closed doors 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.960 in the cafeteria, in those interactions, that's what matters on Sunday. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.120 That's what matters to that team, to that camaraderie, that chemistry. Yeah, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.000 I think the thing that struck me the most about 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.120 Patrick's story in terms of in terms of the perspective, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:11.480 is that when we see whether it's Aaron Rodgers talking 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.160 to mattel Floor or Aaron Rodgers talking to another guy 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.280 in the huddle on the field or after a play 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.080 or some reaction, that's that's heated, that's emotional, that's in 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.560 the in the heat of battle, when things are tense 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.440 and and and things are intense. Those are the things 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.600 that everybody analyzes in terms of leadership and all these 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.680 other narratives that we're talking about. It's the stuff that 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.960 goes on in the cafeteria, in the locker room, behind 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.760 closed doors that paints the entire picture. And if you 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.680 don't know the entire picture, your analysis, quite frankly, isn't 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.840 worth a whole lot. And what Patrick's story reminded me 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.120 of is they're the interactions on the field. And he 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.080 even said he was asked, you know, what, what did 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.920 Rogers say about those bad snaps? And he's like, get 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.920 a snap to me, you know, like it's pretty simple, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.920 like this is what you gotta do, and that's the 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.360 reaction on the field. But a player like Patrick can 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.080 take that and he said, I'll respond positively to that 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.840 on the field because of the relationship that's been built 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.400 elsewhere that people don't necessarily see. And so what I 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:21.920 wanted to try to do in the story, and I 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.160 hope I accomplished it, is to show that it's the 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:30.080 entire picture of the relationship with these players that really matters, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.920 and as you said, it's ultimately their opinion is the 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.520 only one that matters, because they're the only ones who 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.520 know the whole story right absolutely. The second part I 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.400 just want to touch on very quickly about this, looking 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.280 strictly at Lucas Patrick, is this is the maturation of 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.880 an NFL football player. He's no longer a tryout guy. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.360 He's no longer an undrafted free agent. He's no longer 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.400 a practice squad player. He's an NFL player now. And 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.600 I think Lucas understands that and he appreciates that, and 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.320 that's the reason why he was feeling the way he 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.840 felt in the cafeteria that day. This was a tough 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:05.800 training camp for Lucas Patrick um competitively personally, you know, 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.560 Justin mccraize is one of his best friends on this planet. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.359 Justin mccraie isn't here anymore. And the reality is is 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.040 that he got traded in in you know, Domino's Fall, 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:19.120 and that's life. Yeah, incredibly competitive offensive line training camp 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.320 here for roster said it all along. I felt like 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.360 this was the deepest that I've covered in my time 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.800 in Green Bay. But here's the thing about Lucas Patrick 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.159 is he wants to get better, he wants to be proved, 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.639 and he's had this chip on his shoulder. I mean 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.040 it comes from when you have one tryout offer, you 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.439 don't even have any undrafted contracts out there. You have 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.400 one tryout offer and it's from and it's from Green Bay. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.840 And then after that tryout weekend, you don't get a 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.480 contract offer for another month or so exactly. And it 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.280 goes home and he's thinking, he's going looking at the 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.800 next phase of his life. And here he is now 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.520 in his third NFL season, his third official NFL season, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.320 and now he's snapping Aaron Rodgers. I mean the steps 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.560 that he's taken there, there is no I tweeted this 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.560 when I tweeted your story on Tuesday night. Sorry, I'll 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.240 mix up with my schedule. Yeah, I tweeted this out. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.320 You're gonna be hard pressed to find anyone more real 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:12.040 than Lucas Patrick. And I think that's one reason why 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.159 when it's all said and done, he's gonna have a 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.040 bright future ahead of him in this league. Yeah, and 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:17.960 this is one of those guys. He's he's one of 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.080 the first guys to defend a teammate. He's one of 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.800 the first guys to throw himself into a scrum if 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.000 something's going on, whether it's in a game or whether 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.320 it's in a training camp, practice, and and whatnot. And 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.720 now we'll see moving forward, Corey Lindsley is in the 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.399 concussion protocol. We'll see what happens if he's able to 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.840 get cleared and ready to go from Monday night against 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.160 the Lions, or if Lucas Patrick will end up getting 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:44.879 his first NFL start at um At Center, Select Cousin 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.639 Subs locations West are now offering delivery. 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The one, the most 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.479 significant one affecting the Packers occurred across the pond in London, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.720 a really interesting ball game as the Oakland Raiders jumped 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.399 out to a seventeen to nothing lead on the Chicago Bears. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.639 The Bears came all the way back to take a 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.480 twenty one to seventeen lead in the fourth quarter, and 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:26.160 then lo and behold that Bears defense somehow, and I'm 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.840 not quite sure how this happens with a defense that good, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.520 but they allowed the Oakland Raiders to go ninety seven 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.879 yards for what turned out to be the game winning 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.240 touchdown in the fourth quarter, and the Bears dropped to 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.600 three and two. The Packers are four and one, and 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.960 that is why the Packers are in sole possession of 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.879 first place in the NFC. Know, well, these are the 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.000 I always call them the gotta have them games, And 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.440 what I mean by that is there's no positive implications 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.240 of that result other than the Bears losing. And that's 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.800 that's the outcome if you're cheering for the Green Bay Packers. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.440 When you see those inner those in truck conference games, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.040 that right, or inter conference games. But I always just 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.639 say cross conferences because then I don't have to worry about. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.879 I like cross conference prefixes correct, but when it's when 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.360 you're going against THEFC, you want the FC to win absolutely. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.000 And I'll say this right now, I'll put this out 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.040 there about John Gruden's team. They still have a lot 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.359 of work to do. Josh Jacobs is gonna be a 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.400 really talented running back in this year, in this league 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.640 for years to come. David Derek Carr, they established him 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.240 as their franchise quarterback, but I think they got a 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.840 run with Jacobs now. And to see him have that 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.960 kind of showing against that defense, Um, that's how you 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.240 get to it. That's how you beat a dominant defense. 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.359 You have to be able to run against it. The 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:45.199 Raiders did that overseas, and now the Chicago Bears have 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.400 some questions to answer. Yeah, and the Bears get now 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.160 get a bye week coming off of the travel to London. 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.720 They get a bye week to stew about a game 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.119