1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Then we are back on Dale Lollie here with the 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and we're taking a look here at the 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Steelers defensive rankings on Pro Football Focus. Some of the 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: individual players we see what we're represented so far, a 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: good representation. We're like at cornerback now, Okay, and this 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: one might surprise some people. 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Okay, I think people look at corner like it's a weakness, 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: and hey, I wouldn't mind add another, but let's let's 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: go through it. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: Guess what, Yeah, they got two guys on this. Yeah. Yeah. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: So at thirty two, according to Pro Football Focus, is 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: to Ron Bland of the Cowboys. 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: Okay, we talked about those Cowboy guys a lot, very 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: hit or miss, big plays, risk takers. I'm sure that 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: they're coached that way to some regard. Yeah, but he's 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: not physically overwhelming or anything. He's all right. 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: Thirty one Kamari Lassiter with the Texans. 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: I wasn't huge on him coming out of school. I 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: mean I kind of fell victim to average testing numbers 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: and being you know, Georgia had such a great front 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: and made his life a little easier. He's been quite 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: good though, glue guy tough. I like the Texans defensive 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: makeup a lot. 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: Thirty is Kenny Moore with the Colts. 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: We had the same conversation with like Buckner and some 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: of these dudes that have just lasted and are quality players. 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: And probably over the last five years, he's been as 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: good as any pure slot out there. And he can 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: play outside, but ideally he's a slot. And like we 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: walk around Indy at the Combine and he's on a billboard, 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: you know, like he's loved in that town, you know. 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: Twenty nine Byron Murphy Junior with the Vikings. 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: I might even have him higher. I mean, he's a 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: little bit of a one year wonder, but they were 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: big on bringing him back. I mean, he was certainly 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: a target for me for the Steelers when free agency 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: opened it. I'd have been interested. Now he would have 41 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 3: screwed up your comp game a lot. Yeah, and he 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: doesn't look like Minnesota was letting him go anywhere. But 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: he's a good player. 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: Twenty eight Jordan Lewis with the Jaguars now. 45 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: He's another one that's been a quality slot, tough guy 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 3: going back to those Michigan days. You know, those guys 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: aren't easy to find. 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: Twenty seven Tyson Campbell, also with the Jaguars. 49 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: He's another one I think could really go up. I mean, 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: he's had a hard he's been inconsistencies, and he has 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 3: him be on the field a ton, but he's got 52 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: a lot of a trade. I don't know how much 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Hunter will play opposite him, but he doesn't get tested 54 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: a ton because the other guys have been bad. 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Twenty six Joey Porter Junior. Last year he was thirty 56 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: two on this list. 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: I would think I'd still have him higher. I mean, yes, 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: he travels with one's a fair amount more than a 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: lot of the names on this list. He's also got 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: a lot of really good traits improving. 61 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: His Advanced Pro Football Focus advanced coverage grade is twenty 62 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: first over his first two seasons. 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know the difference in Advance. 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: His overall coverage rate gets banned a little bit because 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: of the penalties. 66 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, yeah, I guess you got to factor 67 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: that in. 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: But when you start looking at the actual. 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: Coverage, yeah, Yeah, it's really how hard he is to beat. Yeah, 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: I would definitely have him higher. I don't know he's 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: ever going to be Rod Woodson in the run game, 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, but I mean I think he gives you enough. 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: Twenty five j C. Horn with the Panthers. 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: It's another guy that could be a top five to 75 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: six seven guy, but there's been a lot of inconsistencies 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: unfortunately for them. Like their best guys are Derrek Brown, 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: j C. Horn on a defense that had nothing last 78 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: year and they can't keep the guys on the field, 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: but they gave him money. 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: Twenty four AJ Drell. 81 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: I would think i'd have him higher too. He's got 82 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: a high quality career with the worst pass rush ever. 83 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty three denomen Or Leanor with the forty nine Ers. 84 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: Fine, I'm taking Porter. I'm taking three or four of 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 3: those names over him. 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: Twenty two Garrett Williams with the Cardinals. 87 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean we talked about him a lot coming 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: out of school. Wanted to draft him, like, yeah, yeah, 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: take him. I mean we mocked him in our many 90 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: many mocks. He ended up in a stealer uniform a lot. 91 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 3: If people't remember he was Syracuse guy that basically had 92 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: the red shirt. I mean, he was damaged goods coming out. 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: But he's the perfect example of why you wait. Unfortunately 94 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: in this league, though the first year you don't get 95 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: much out of him. You only get him for four 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: so pretty soon it's like, we gotta expend this guy. 97 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: Now, you know, twenty one Darius Slay, I think. 98 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: He's still there. I mean, history's not kind to over 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: thirty corners. But if you're just judging what he is, 100 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: he's on this list all day long. Yeah, and man 101 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: coverage guy bet around the block, gets his hands on 102 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: football's a lot. We talked about this down the practice fields. 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: Don't just think he's Patrick Peterson part two, No, I 104 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: mean he's better at the stage when he became a Steeler. 105 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: He was a much better player than when Peterson became 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: a Steeler. 107 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: Twenty is Tron Johnson with the Bills another slot? 108 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? 109 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: Is it? They're almost two different worlds, That's what I'm 110 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: gonna say. Yeah, asking we're comparing a slot in an 111 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: outside corner. 112 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: Right all right, especially if you're pretty exclusive at Yeah, 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: and as people I think know the Bills lot, they 114 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: live in Nickel So he plays a ton of snaps right. 115 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: He's really valuable to them, and maybe they wouldn't play 116 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: in as much Nickel if it wasn't for him, But 117 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: I might. I'm a problem with him being there, but 118 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: it is kind of two different worlds. 119 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Nineteen is Trey Walling with the. 120 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: Seahawks, burst on the scene, extreme length, super fast. Maybe 121 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: a step backwards in year two could get it back though. 122 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: Eighteen Carlton Davis the Patriots. 123 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: Another guy that's made some money over the years. Long 124 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: press corner seven eight to be matches with Gonzales. That's 125 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: a pretty good grill. 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamel Dean with. 127 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: The Okay, Yeah, they're about the same. They're all great 128 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: number two's. If you could manage that, if you ask 129 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: them to be true ones, you might be out here. 130 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: You know. That's why I think Porter should be higher. 131 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: I think he can be a one. 132 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sixteen is Quenya Mitchell. 133 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: Too low, pretty darn good as a rookie. They only 134 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 3: have one interception, though really not in a regular season. 135 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: Ok. 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: I guess the Gene will be ahead of them. 137 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 138 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know. I mean again, Oranges, Neither 139 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: one of them took the ball away, right, and they 140 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: sure played with a lot of leads. 141 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Fifteen is Sharvarius Ward. 142 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: Here's another one like Leonor that people might not know 143 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: a lot about, but good careers. Yeah, I mean I 144 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: don't think they're special, but yeah, he's making a good 145 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: buck now too. 146 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: Fifteen is Jalen Ramsey with the Dolphins. He's asked to do. 147 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: So much, and he's a lot bigger and more gifted 148 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: than a lot of these guys. He's almost just like 149 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: a defensive peace, which kind of the gene is too. 150 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: At this point, I don't know where i'd rank Ramsey. 151 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: Thirteen is Christian Isalez. 152 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: He could be two or three in my opinion. I 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: think he's been really impressive, but missed a lot of 154 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: time last year. Not much of a tackler either. 155 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Twelve is Devin Witherspoon. 156 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: Nasty, he does it all more of a slot but 157 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: does it all really good player too. 158 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: Oh I was wrong? 159 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: Is on there is eleven? Okay, eleven might be a bit. Yeah, 160 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: I was just saying these last couple of names. I'm 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: taking Ramsey over the gene at this stage of the game. 162 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: I'm taking yeah, yeah, yeah, they're a little more established. Hey, 163 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: we love the Gene Degene. If you rewind two off 164 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: seasons ago, he was one of our favorites, as was Mitchell. 165 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: He's a really good player. But might get a little 166 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: too excited about him. 167 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: Tens Denzel Award. 168 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: It's had a high quality career too. He's been high pick, 169 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: somewhat expensive at this point, but he's been one of 170 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: the success stories for the Browns without question. 171 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: Nine Gayr Alexander. 172 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe right when he's on the field. Yes, he's 173 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: just on the field that much. And he's a free 174 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: agent as we speak. 175 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: He doesn't played a full season. 176 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: I think he's played is it that long? I think 177 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: he's been seven games each of the last two years too. 178 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: Now there's been weirdness too, and I think he's a 179 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: we'll call him a big personality. And him and the 180 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: Packers didn't seem to get along. 181 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: But because he never plays, Yeah, and I. 182 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: Think he doesn't play because they don't like him. And 183 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: remember he did the weird coin flit thing. And I 184 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: mean you'd have to manage him. But when he's out there, 185 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: he covers people. 186 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: Eight Christian Benford with the. 187 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: Bills, maybe the most unknown, really good corner. I mean 188 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: he was not a high Most of these guys are 189 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: high picks. Yeah, you know, and he's really really important 190 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: to those guys. You should know him. I mean he's 191 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: one of the most foundational Bills players. 192 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: Seven Marlon Humphrey, he's another. 193 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: He's like ward to me. You know, AFC north dude 194 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: all day long. That's really had a good career. I 195 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: assume he won't be on there, but I think Wiggins 196 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: will be on that list next year. And he's more. 197 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 2: I don't think he will. He won't tackle he does. 198 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: That's a good point anybody. He's not an AFC nor 199 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: you know, banger. He's a pure outside type dude. I'm 200 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: a fan. But I think they're hoping He. 201 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: And Humphrey couldn't be any different, couldn't. 202 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: Be any more different, right, right, right, They're very different. Yes, Yes, 203 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: Six is dj Reid. Okay, see might be a little high. Yeah, 204 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: I mean he's always been Robin to the sauce gardener. 205 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: He's got paid a lot. 206 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: He's good. 207 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm taking him over like Jayleen Ramsey. Yeah, 208 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: you know. 209 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: Five Derek Stingley, he could. 210 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: Push for one. I mean he was drafted ahead of 211 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 3: Sauce as he was one of those dudes that you 212 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: know because of COVID all his stuff was as an 213 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: eighteen year old, like Penn, a soul and he's been 214 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: pretty awesome. 215 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: That twelve picks last two years. 216 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: Wow, I know it's that many. 217 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: Four Jalen Johnson, Okay, he was a. 218 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: Big name that hit free agency. I would take Stingley 219 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: over him. I mean I think he's a B plus 220 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 3: top ten guy. 221 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: Three is Trump mcduffy. 222 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: Okay, they ask a lot of him too. I mean 223 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: he'd be a real favorite around here. Nasty blitzer leader, 224 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: not the most gifted, but he can do a lot 225 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 3: for you to is Patrick certain one, Sauce Gardner. I'd 226 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: have Certain over I think Certain is a clear one. Yeah, 227 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: and I like Gardner too, but I didn't think he 228 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: was great this past year. So much more as ass 229 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: to Certain. I mean defensive player of the year, right, 230 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: I mean I think he's a clear one. 231 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: But once again, Steelers ad two defensive tackles. Yeah, three 232 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: outside linebackers, an inside. 233 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: Packer, two corners. Yeah. Well look at the same Let 234 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: me come back, and they're gonna have at least one. 235 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: They're gonna have one he might have two. 236 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they might. 237 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: So let's say look at that when we come back. 238 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: He is thean Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening 239 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: to the Drive. You're on Steelers Nation Radio. 240 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: At least he is the Drive with Dale Lolly and 241 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of 242 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 243 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the 244 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and taking a look here at the Pro 245 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: Football focused defensive rankings in vision. Yeah, two defensive linemen, yes, 246 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: three outside blind backers. 247 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 3: Draft picks of those positions, by the way, yeah. 248 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: Uh two cornerbacks. Let's take a look at safety. 249 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: Now, no one's on there. Yeah, might be all lower 250 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: and I was fearing that. Yeah, but we'll get to it. Yeah, 251 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 3: we'll get to it. 252 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: So at thirty two, they have Kobe Bryant of the Seahawks. 253 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 3: Okay, this is another position like off the ball linebacker, 254 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 3: not that we have to buzz through it. Yeah, but 255 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: I bet the bottom ten are okay, starters, Yeah, I 256 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: mean like they're not game changers. It's not like the 257 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: bottom ten edge rushers that whoa this guy's a problem. Yeah, 258 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: it's there are more good safeties I think than there 259 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: have been in recent years, but the middle of the 260 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 3: road guys are pretty blow. 261 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: Thirty one is Nick Cross of the Colts. 262 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: Okay, he had a lot of ability coming out, but 263 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: he doesn't change games. 264 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: Thirty Josh Mantellis of the Vikings. 265 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: That one I'll have an argument with because I bet 266 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: if you would coach Flores in here, he'd be like, 267 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: that's one of my most valuable guys. He is super 268 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: duper smart, he's has good size. They do about a 269 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: million different things with him, and he's kind of a 270 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: master of I would say master of a jack of 271 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: all trades, master of none, but he might be a 272 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: master of all. I mean he just does everything really 273 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: really well. Yeah. Good Yeah. 274 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: Twenty nine to Shaun Elliott of the Steelers. 275 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: He should be in the top thirty two. I mean, 276 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: as I was thinking about it, I just took a 277 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: call between segments and thinking, these bottom ten aren't gonna 278 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: be that impressive. You can't tell me thirty two safeties 279 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: had a better year or that he's really good last Yeah, 280 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: it was really good last year. Yeah, And this is 281 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: more of a training camp conversation. But I might call 282 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: his agent and be like, we don't really want him 283 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: to be a free agent after the year, you know. 284 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: Twenty eight tra Von morg Time. 285 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: I'm a fan. He's a what he's a panther now Righteah? 286 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: They paid for him. Yeah, he was like one of 287 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: the top safeties in the class. That he came out 288 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: in early second round pick kind of shocked the Raiders 289 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: let him go. Their secondary is not very good. 290 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty seven Harrison Smith, the Vikings still showing up 291 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: on there. Yeah, I think that might be a little. 292 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: Maybe it's a lifetime achievement or right, there were a 293 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: couple d linemen that sort of fit that bill. He'll 294 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: be on Hall of Fame ballots. I don't think he 295 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: gets in, and some of the safeties that got in recently, though, 296 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: I haven't been blown away with awesome career. I mean again, 297 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: if this was Viking's Nation radio people be like, that's 298 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: too low. He's on our waves, you know. But I 299 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: think he was even contemplating retirement and I don't think 300 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: you get a lot more out of him. 301 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: Twenty six Cameron Curl with the Rams. 302 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: Okay, I did a good year for Washington two years ago, 303 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: the Rams paid him quality player, But I think I 304 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: take Elliot over twenty five. 305 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: Jalen Thompson with the Cardinals. 306 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: Okay, this Cardinal defense, it was only what two years ago? Goes, Yeah, 307 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: they used to have nothing. He used to be Buddha 308 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: Baker and a bunch of people know he's ever heard of. 309 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: Now they have ten d linemen and a couple of 310 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: defensive backs. And what if Will Johnson turns into something 311 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: like I kind of like what they're building on defense. 312 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: Twenty four Ronnie Hickman with the Browns to Sean Elliss 313 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: of the Needle for man Seah. 314 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: Probably two or three of these guys have me too, right, 315 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: He's not bad. It's just that I can't believe he's 316 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: in the top thirty two. 317 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: Twenty three Julian Blackman. 318 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: He's Someboddy we've always kind of liked. Yeah, it seems 319 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: like every year. Maybe it's a character or learning thing. 320 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm just making stuff up. I mean, 321 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: but you would think a team would scoop him up 322 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: a week into free agency, not three months into free agency. 323 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: Twenty two, don't Noah Halfanga Now. 324 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: Toroncos makes a lot of plays. Long term durability would 325 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: really scare me. I mean, he throws his body around 326 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: a lot and has already been hurt. But middle of 327 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: the field, old school strong safety. 328 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: Twenty one Jalen Petree with detections. 329 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: It might be a little. I think he missed time 330 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: last year. Yeah, okay, so maybe this is not this 331 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: is the bylow portion of his career because tough slot 332 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: plays a run again. I have a lot of respect 333 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: for the Texans. D two. 334 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: Twenty Cameron Kinchins with the Rams. 335 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: I didn't expect him to do as well as he 336 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: did coming out of the gates, and they seem to 337 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: be really high on him. 338 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Nineteen Jimmy Ward with the Texans. 339 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: Okay, he's like the definition of a coach on the field. 340 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 341 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: I mean he's been in like the Niner system forever. 342 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure he's like a huge locker room leader, been 343 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: around the block ten, twelve years, whatever. But he's got 344 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 3: to be declining by now. 345 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen. 346 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: Like I think Petrie's better than he is. 347 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. Kevin Byered with the Bears. 348 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: His best days are gone, but he had some good days. 349 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: He took the ball away a lot he was another 350 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: one that so many safeties will be on free agencies 351 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: for a while. Yeah, Justin Simmons or you know, some 352 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: of these guys just hang out there for a while. 353 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: Seventeen Malee Cooker with the Cowboys, Okay, never really turned 354 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: into what I thought he might. I mean, isn't he 355 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: from up near ear Ear somewhere in PA? Superstar recruit Newcastle? Okay, 356 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 3: I think that is it? Yeah, and he's been fine. 357 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: I mean again, I don't know that he's noticeably better 358 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: than Elliott or a couple of other names on the list. 359 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: Okay. 360 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: Sixteen I knew he's low, but that's criminal, way too low. 361 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: That's criminal. He's almost like their pouncy where like. I'm 362 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: not sure how they grade him, but it never works 363 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 3: in his favor for grades. I don't get that at all. 364 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: I think he's closer to one. 365 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: Let's look at these guys ahead of them. Fifteen read 366 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: read blanket Ship. 367 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 3: Come on, come on, he's a fine player. I don't 368 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: think blanket Ship would even start here. No, you know, right, 369 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: he'd be a depth guy and he'd have great safety room. 370 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: But you know, fourteen Justin Reid with the Saints, he's good. 371 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: I mean he's a plus starter. He's not a great player. 372 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 3: Minca is a great play. 373 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thirteen C. J. 374 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson with the Mercenary. 375 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: He's so good nobody wants all right. 376 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: Nobody wants to be a round him for one thing. 377 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: He's kind of a lunatic mercenary. I always think he's 378 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: like that third line, like Matthew Barnaby with the pens 379 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: that is jabbing people with sticks. And you know you 380 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: love him if he's on your team. He hate the 381 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: play he does teammates, he does his own teammates. I mean, 382 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: he's not a better player than Manka. Of course. 383 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: Twelve Jibril Peppers with the Patriots. 384 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: Belichick started to get a lot out of him. He 385 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: was a really high pick. Remember he was up for 386 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: like highmend consideration late Bloomer. I'm fine with him being 387 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: on the list, But again I think goes Am saying 388 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: almost all these dudes should not be head of MACA. 389 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: Eleven Julian Love with the Seahawks. 390 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: He's another one that does never gets the money in respect. 391 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 3: He's a good player, right, He makes like four or 392 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 3: five million a year and gives you about ten million 393 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 3: a year. Worth of production. 394 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: Ten Javon Holland with the Giants. 395 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 3: We quote Greg co Sell a lot, and he, like 396 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: all of us, repeats himself on the air a lot, 397 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: depending on what for him you're on. And I've heard 398 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: him say five to seven times that, in his opinion, 399 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 3: the only true what's the baseball term? Five tool players 400 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: at safety are Holland and Menca. 401 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, too low. 402 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: They're both too low. Yeah, I mean whatever you want 403 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: to do, single high, you know, man coverage, play the run, 404 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: blitz with all the tools those two have, both have 405 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: them all. 406 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 2: Nine Brandon Jones with the Broncos. 407 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: He's a nice story. He's a nice story, A special player, right, 408 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: I mean they led the league in sacks. He's fifteen. 409 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 2: His Budda Baker with the Cardinals. 410 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: That's too low for him too, in my opinion, he 411 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: had nothing around him. Him and Minka could be one. 412 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: Seven Derwin James with the Chargers. 413 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 3: I think Harball was really good for him, and injuries 414 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 3: have obviously been something that's held him back. He's as 415 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: freaky as anybody here, and they had him do more 416 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: of the Hamilton stuff, you know, which I think is 417 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: a good fit for him. Six Kirby Joseph with the 418 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: Lions one year or so. One year, all right, that's 419 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 3: not enough a good story. I mean he's a late pick. 420 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: The man. They are thrilled with him, but he should 421 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: be eight. 422 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: Ten, five. Brian Branch with the Lions. 423 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: Mad an argument for one there, like yeah, yeah, I 424 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 3: mean he's a little different than these guys. I mean 425 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 3: he's very slot capable. Four ants, one winfield with the passion. 426 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: I think he had a pretty banged up season. Yeah, 427 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: but really really good too. I mean there's six or 428 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: seven high quality safeties and Minca is definitely one of them. 429 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: Three Jesse Bates sure takes the ball away. You fear 430 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: him in the deep middle, no question. 431 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: Two Xavier McKinney. 432 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Green Bay was a little crazy for 433 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: the money they gave him. But he had an awesome 434 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: year and he was good with the Giants. And he's 435 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: a physical player too. That's a little high, but it's 436 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: he's one of the better ones. And one col Hamilton, Okay, 437 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: I mean mac I should be no worse in eight, 438 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: no worse in eight, probably no worse than five. Yeah, 439 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I'll be shocked if 440 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: he's not in the top five a year from now. 441 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm fine with Hamilton as one. I'm sitting here thinking 442 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: who would I put it one? Bhuda Baker be in 443 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: my conversation, Minca would too. But Hamilton's ascending and has 444 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: a lot of traits. I'm not going to fight you 445 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: on that. 446 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. 447 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: And he he kind of stopped the flooding, you know, 448 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: the damn broke in that defense and moving him around 449 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: was a big reason why they got things back on 450 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: track last year. 451 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. So there it is. Steelers well represented. 452 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: Extremely, maybe more than anybody. Yeah, Like if we added 453 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: up all thirty two times six positions or whatever it was, 454 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: who was the most. I'm sure the Eagles are, maybe not. 455 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 3: I mean, Eagles have d Lineman, but they don't have 456 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 3: a lot of other stuff. Yeah, I mean have a 457 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 3: lot of names. Steelers have a lot of names of names, yeah, yeah. 458 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: A lot of names. 459 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: Backups, yeah, or a backup, you know. And they drafted 460 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: first round guy into it, you know. Yeah, it should 461 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: be a great defense. That's just that's the idea, right 462 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: because even so, let's say Wilson or Queen gets hurt 463 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: or haven't forbidden Minka or Elliott gets hurt. You're not 464 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: bad that all of a sudden, right, you know, if 465 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: Cam were to miss three weeks, I wouldn't think your 466 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: d line's bad. Lot were to miss three weeks. I 467 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: don't think your edge rushers are bad. Corner is the one. 468 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: I won't say that on defense. You know, if Porter 469 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: or Sleigh were to miss time, then I think you 470 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: have a pretty clear eleventh guy out of eleven. I mean, 471 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: if you're ranking everybody on the field, my worst player 472 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: would probably be that guy. But who's your worst player 473 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: right this minute, when they're out healthy? 474 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: I think you can ask that a little bit. 475 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 3: No question, no question, right, I mean, if Minka is 476 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 3: on that side of the field or whatever. I wonder, 477 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: do we think Eccles is the starting slot today or 478 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: is that you think that's a camp to be determined. Yeah, 479 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: And in Nickel, I think that's your weakest position. I 480 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 3: mean the eleven that are going to be out there, 481 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: But that's also not a hard place to matter to 482 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: help either linebacker, help safety, help pass ra you know, 483 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: and Bishops it's gonna be in your two. I expect 484 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: them to be a little better too. 485 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: So those are the pro football focus rankings. 486 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: Let's Meca is the only one I'd say that they 487 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 3: were too rough on. Yeah, you know, maybe Porter. 488 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about this when we 489 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: come back. He's Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. Listening 490 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: to the drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network. Eventually 491 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: my voice is gonna come back. 492 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: I'm hoping it's better it was last week. 493 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's get to a break. We'll be back 494 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: with more right after this. 495 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 496 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black 497 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 498 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is he 499 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. 500 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: And you're almost through it, dude. 501 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. We went through those Football Focus rankings, and Matt, 502 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: before we did that, you said top eight for. 503 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: The Conservative I said top five. Yeah. Maybe I think it. 504 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: Has to be top five. 505 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: I don't think one is out of the question. I 506 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 3: don't think so, right, I mean, I think that has 507 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 3: to be the way you look at this thing, is 508 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: it's gonna be the goal. Yeah, I mean defensive meeting room, 509 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: everyone should looking around each other, especially after the final 510 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: rosters made and be like, we should be the best 511 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: defensive league guys. Yeah, and there's no reason why we shouldn't. 512 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: I mean our offense doesn't help us. I don't care, 513 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: you know, I mean we should be at the top. 514 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: I mean there's some good ones. Denver, I thought's a 515 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: great defense. I think Houston's coming along strong. 516 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: They're ten guys on that list. 517 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: Ten guys. Okay, they've had two safeties. And again that's 518 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: not even including the first round pick or a Thornhill 519 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: or Moilsome or Wilson, some of those guys sending next 520 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: year right, right or right. And again, I think they're 521 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: coverages will change more. I think they'll be a little 522 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: more blitz heavy, just for mix it up. I've been saying, 523 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: and I know we've talked about this, but another huge 524 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: goal I have for this team is there's no reason 525 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: you shouldn't be top two or three in sacks. Again, 526 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: and I know the ball comes out fast and all 527 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 3: those things, but I want quarterbacks on their back. I mean, 528 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: even if Rogers is as good as he can be, 529 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: he's probably not as good as Burrow. He's probably not 530 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: as good as Alan, He's probably not as good as Lamar. 531 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: Or Mahomes. I mean the guys that you're really competing 532 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: with in the nobody is so those guys need to 533 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: be on their back, you know what I mean, A 534 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: lot right run the better, which helps the defense sure, 535 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: and possessed the ball, which jumps the. 536 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: Defense, and the defense needs to win of those matchups. 537 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: Yes, And frankly, I don't mind if you allow a 538 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: big player too, because you're being a little more aggressive 539 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: on defense. But if burrows slow to get up a bunch, 540 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: I'm not saying be dirty. This is just football. Hit quarterbacks, 541 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, ball comes out quick. I'm still 542 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 3: gonna put you on your butt. 543 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: You know. 544 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 3: I mean they were high and like quarterback hits and hurries, 545 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: but they weren't high in sacks. Right, it'll come. 546 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: It's because it all came out so fast. 547 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 3: It did. It did, especially late in the year. 548 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: Nobody feared the offense. 549 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: No, he feared the offense, and I'm throwing him under 550 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: the bus. But a second corner was hurting in terms 551 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: of versatility, and especially those last. 552 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: Five games they had guys in and that lineup on 553 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: defense especially. 554 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 3: Yea, And if I were to do anything else on defense, 555 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: I'd want to just get one more corner so you 556 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: don't get in that situation again. Just keep an eye 557 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: open for anyone. I'm not necessarily even saying Ramsey or 558 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: jar and that would be wow, and I'd be super greedy. 559 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: And it should be the best defense in the league. 560 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: Get those guys, you know. 561 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: But I just don't know what you would do with 562 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: the guy like Slay on the bench. 563 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: That's the thing. I mean, right, Ramsey's a slot that 564 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: could do a bunch, And but you don't need a 565 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: rotation at corner. Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it 566 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: could just be Trice being better or you know, because 567 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: eventually your depth there is probably going to get tested 568 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: through the course of the Yeah. Yeah, and I thought 569 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: they were a corner short in terms of doing a 570 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: variety of scheming things. 571 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: You know. 572 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: And but I mean we're nitpicking. I mean again, so 573 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: many of those names are on that list and high 574 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: on that list too. It should be a great defense. 575 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: It should be a great defense, not a good or 576 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: you know. 577 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: Worn down or can't stop the run against the Ravens. 578 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it should be a great defense. 579 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: The other thing that I think's gonna help his defense, 580 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: and I know it's kind of in the again, the Margins, 581 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: Cameron's Nstin's a weapon. 582 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Weightman was a nice find. Yeah, I 583 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: mean they were fortunate as could be to get Johnson's 584 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 3: a stud. Yeah. Yeah, just field positions a little better, 585 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: three yards better field position per game type of thing. 586 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, or per or over the course 587 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: of a game, the ten yards different field position. Because 588 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: your punters one of the best in the league. Yeah, 589 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: I haven't thought about this a lot, but there's probably 590 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: no reason they shouldn't be the best kicker punter combination 591 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: in the league. 592 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 593 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I'll be honest, I 594 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: don't know kickers and punters very well. Maybe there's someone 595 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: I'm not thinking of that's great, but's no kicking competition, right, 596 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if Dallas has an awesome punter. If 597 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: they do, then maybe they're that team. But it's not 598 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 3: the Ravens anymore. That used to be them used to be, right, 599 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: and that was a huge weapon for them, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, 600 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: just gonna say what a weapon that was. Yeah, Baltimore 601 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: a difference. Yeah, Steelers have that now, they do they do? 602 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: I mean, and we know Danny's a really good special 603 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: teams coordinator. They're going to block a kick or two 604 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: that most teams don't. I think the returners are fine, yeah, 605 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I don't know that they're the 606 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 3: best in the league or anything like that, but I 607 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: don't think them think they're being their liabilities. And I 608 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: also think they're reliable, which is huge, especially as a 609 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: punt return over. Yeah, you gotta be able to catch 610 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: the ball first, and I think they get that. What 611 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: do we think the kickoff return situation will be? Probably 612 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: gain well, gain well maybe Johnson, Okay, yeah, I guess 613 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: that's a possibility. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 614 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: that'll work. They always gonna have a core group of 615 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: special teamers. That seems like a strong group as usual, 616 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: led by Killer Brew and Nol Harrison and some of 617 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: these other guys. So in the margins again, should be 618 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: a strength of the team. 619 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 620 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you can come close to leading the 621 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: league in sacks, which you have the players to do, 622 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: they get to get fifty plus, they get fifty plus. 623 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: That's a great way of putting it. And maybe doesn't 624 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 3: have to be number one, right, you know, but be 625 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: you gotta be in that top ten, Yes, in that 626 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: top five. Yeah, any quarterbacks on their back, and that's 627 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,239 Speaker 3: not asking too much. 628 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: No. 629 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: Again, I've had a couple of little, big goals. It 630 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: shouldn't be little goals, but they seem little like go 631 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: from four to one to four to three rush in 632 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 3: the football. I'm not asking a lot. I'm not asking 633 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 3: to be number one in the league. Yeah, you're saying 634 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: for eight, right, all right, I'm not saying you can 635 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: get a whole half, you know, three quarters of a 636 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 3: yard more. I mean, I'm just talking about point two 637 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: and over the course of seventeen games, I remember you 638 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: figuring it out, like how much more that matters, and 639 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: what a ripple effect it has for the defense that 640 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: could then stay fresher and then maybe lead the league 641 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: in sacks, you know what I mean. Yeah, let's they 642 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: haven't played with a lot of leads. 643 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: They have not. Yeah, you know, I look for them, 644 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: especially early in the year, that could happen. 645 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And obviously the defensive front is probably the strength 646 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: of the team. I mean, it's as good as any 647 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: out there. But if you can get a little lot 648 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 3: of Sawyer in black and some of those guys that 649 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: are better than the dudes you played with last year. 650 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: You know, like when you are resting the cams and 651 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: Watts and high Smith's not that you're not going to 652 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: lose something. Of course you're going to lose something. Yeah, 653 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: they're superstars. But if they're like the next Turbic where 654 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: you're putting them out there for twenty snaps a game, 655 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: but they probably deserve thirdy or forty, it's kind of exciting. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, 656 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: that's why I think. 657 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: You know, again, I'm watching a defense work during mini 658 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: camp and I'm like, this could be really good. 659 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: This could be really good. 660 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 2: Right, they got depth, Ye, they got stars. 661 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: We mentioned Queen. I mean I would he's another one. 662 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: Not that I expect him to be better in year two. 663 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 3: He kind of has to be, yeah, you know, and 664 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 3: he's certainly cable. He's asking about crazy things. 665 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: You know. 666 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask for a seventh round pick to be 667 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 3: your best player. I'm asking for a good player to 668 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 3: be a little better than he was that year. Yeah. 669 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm expecting that. 670 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely. But man, good stuff, Man, good conversation today. Yeah, 671 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 3: back Wednesday, Right. 672 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: We are back Wednesday. From my voice is a little 673 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: more back. 674 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: At I'll take a lot, but uh, maybe we'll twitter 675 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 3: it up. 676 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 2: One of these days too, maybe Wednesdays since we don't 677 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: have our Thursdays anymore. But uh, for my partner Matt 678 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: Williamson for CG, woefully you're on site keeping us on 679 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: the air, I'm Dale Lully. We thank you for listening 680 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 2: to this edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.