1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Kabooms. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: of the old republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: rich pill poppers in the penthouse. 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Wow. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: The clearing House of Hot takes break free for something special. 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in. 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: The air everywhere. Welcome in. It is the Fifth Hour 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: with Ben Mahlor and Danny g Radios. We chum away 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: the weekend of conversations continue on the fifth hour. Normally 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: we would have the mail bag, but this day different 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: than most Sundays because we're changing it up. My man 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Danny g is away taking care of his fatherly duties, 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: and so I'm doing this solo this weekend, and I've 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: decided just to talk to people I know, friends of mine. 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Why not? And if you've been listening all weekend, I 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: hope you've enjoyed it. Let us know. Give us a 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: nice review on the Apple podcast page. But on Friday, 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: we caught up with TJ. Simers, the La Times former 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: columnist who sued the La Times want and much money. 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: He told us about that near impossible victory he won 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: three times in court against the La Times. But I 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: love TJ's writing style. He's an attack dog and I 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: love that. And then on Saturday, one of my favorite guys, 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Turk Stevens, the original coin on Ben Versus the Coin 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: which became Benny Versus the Penny, and Turk joined us 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: for a few good minutes on the Saturday podcast. And 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: today we go back to the well one more time 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: into my bag of friends. The good thing is there's 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: not many friends, so there's not a lot to choose 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: from here that I have in the radio business. But 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: this guy is a Maryland media mogul. He is also 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: part of the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association. As in 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: the early days when I did a show with Tom 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Looney on the weekends, The Blitz, very popular show. We'd 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: go around to different ballparks and the stadiums, and Jerry 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Coleman was our guy in Baltimore covered the Ravens and 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: the Orioles. He's been doing that for many years, going 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: way way back. He's got some great stories to tell 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: about that. He now does a very popular podcast, We're 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: Lucky to get this guy. He's a big deal. Jerry 44 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Coleman does a podcast with Adam Jones, the old Baltimore 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: oriole outfielder, all Star for the Orioles, The Adam Jones Podcast, 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: which is really just the Jerry Coleman Podcast with Adam Jones, 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: but Adam Jones has the name, so they go with 48 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: the Adam Jones Podcast. But check that out as well. Well. 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here. 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: But let's welcome in the longtime radio podcasting man from Baltimore. 51 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: He knows where all the bodies are buried around the 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: Ravens and Orioles. We welcome in sports with Coleman. Jerry Coleman, 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: my friend, Jerry, Welcome. Why don't we start with the Orioles, 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: who are a playoff team, one of the better teams 55 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: in baseball this year, but a faceless, mostly nameless team nationally, 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: this Baltimore squad. So I ask you, Jerry, as someone 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: that watches all these Orioles games, who is the face 58 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three Baltimore Orioles. 59 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: I guess you would say, And let me get the obligatory. 60 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: And I hate when people do this as guests on shows. 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on, Ben, it'd probably be ADLEYE. 62 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: Rushman at this juncture, you know, the former number one pick. 63 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: Ever since he's come into the organization, the team hasn't 64 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: been swept in a three game series. 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: But he is pretty face less. 66 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: He was at the All Star Game, he was in 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: the home run derby and all that. But it is 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: a team of a lot of young guys and high 69 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: draft picks, which is, you know, great for the Orioles 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: ownership and the fact that I'm not going to have 71 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: to pay these guys for really an extended period of 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: time unless they want to get ahead of things which 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: have never been proactive because if you look at the 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: history of oriole Mega contracts and the last one being 75 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: Chris Davis, they have all virtually backfired, going back to 76 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: Albert Bell and Scott Ericsson. 77 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: Well, the good news is there's going to be paying 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Chris Davis for another generation, I think. So that's the goodness. 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: So they'll be paying him. But here's my theory on 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: the Orioles. Because I watch a lot of baseball, I 81 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: flip around. I have watched all of the Oriols games, 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know who ninety percent of the team 83 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: is even though they seem to be pretty good players. 84 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: It's going to take the Orioles, as you know, Jerry, 85 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: in the playoffs to have some you know, going to run, 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: clutch hits, big moments. That's how these guys are going 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: to become household names. I don't think it can happen 88 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: during the regular season. And I realize I say that, well, 89 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: guys like Mike Trout and Shohl Tani have become household 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: names during the regular season. But I think for the Orioles, 91 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: it's going to have to happen in the playoffs, and 92 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: they're going to have to go on an extent run. 93 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: I look at the American League. You look at that 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: card in the American League, it's pretty wide open. There's 95 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: no to me, there's no team that is clearly going 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: to get to the World Series. It would be a 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: shocker if they didn't get to the World Series. You 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: could you put them all into a Kino hopper and 99 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: whatever spits out whatever, you know, Bingo hopper, whatever spits out, 100 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, you buying that or not buying that? 101 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 3: No, I completely agree, And it's really who it comes 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: down to is getting hot at the right time, whether 103 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: it be late September or into October. 104 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying. 105 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: Doing it, you know, in the postseason is going to 106 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: make a significant difference. 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Also, when you play some of the higher. 108 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: Profile teams like the Yankees and Red Sox, a lot 109 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: of eyes are on you. It had been five years 110 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: since the team was on Sunday Night Baseball and they 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: just had a series and it wasn't by coincidence, was 112 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: because the Yankees were in town that they were on 113 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: National TV back to back nights. So they got some 114 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: notoriety there and that will continue in the second half 115 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 3: as long as they stay in front of the American 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: League East, which is by far the toughest division in 117 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, and I think of all pro sports 118 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: because the team's involved in their payrolls. And that's the 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: remarkable part is the two lowest you know, paid teams 120 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: are leading the way and the Orioles and the Rays, 121 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: and they both have young payrolls. Like I said, guys, 122 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: they don't have to pay a lot of money to 123 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: whether it be a Randy Rose Arena or a Gunner 124 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Henderson or Atlee Rushman or you know, I understand they 125 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: paid Wander Franco, but you know, Yondi Diaz and guys 126 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: like that are under control. 127 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: They just made a great deal. 128 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: The Rais did at the break to get up Aaron 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: Savales under contract for a few more years. The Orioles 130 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: picked up Jack Flaherty. Unfortunately he's just a rental, but 131 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: they didn't have to give away the farm. So the 132 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: Oriols aren't making a run here for the postseason. It's 133 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: been six or seven years since they've been in the postseason. 134 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: They haven't won a World Series in forty years. But 135 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: you're right, it's up for grabs the American League. The 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: problem with the Orioles, though, right now Ben is going 137 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: to be the pitching. They have a lot of young 138 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: arms that are reaching their peak in terms of innings thrown, 139 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: and there's a fear that they're going to run out 140 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: of gas before they get to the finish line. 141 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: Yes, the magic that's a pet peeve of mine, Jerry, 142 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because there's this magical 143 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: line where if it's like crossing the rubicon, and if 144 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: you cross that line, everyone in baseball is convinced that 145 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: all these pitcher are going to fall right now, it 146 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: is proven. I will say that the relief pitching in particular, 147 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: when guys get to a certain number of appearances, usually 148 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: they fall apart. That's why the gimmick in baseball has 149 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: been to run burn your bullpen and then trade for 150 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: new bullpen arms at the deadline and refurbish. But you 151 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: mentioned Tampa Bay and all the guys that are young 152 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: guys and doing well. They're never going to have old 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: players in Tampa Bay because if you get to a 154 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: point where you make money, they just get rid of you. 155 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: So yes, it's like you look at that team, it's 156 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: always going to be that way if you accomplish something. 157 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Once you get to that, which is the seven year mark, 158 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: when you're done with arbitration, then they trace you're under 159 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: control for that long. 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: And you know, Adleie Rushmand still got like five or 161 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: six years, Gunner Henderson, Austin Hayes and Cedric Mullins, the 162 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: guys that people probably aren't familiar with, the guys that 163 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: produce and some have been All Stars, but they're under 164 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: contract for at least three, some four or five more years, 165 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: and that means this team doesn't have to go out 166 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: and pay anyone ten million dollars a year the only 167 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: guy make I think Chris Davis right now is the 168 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: highest paid player on their payroll. No pun intended, because 169 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: there's no one else besides maybe Kyle Gibson, who's making 170 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: close to ten million dollars a year. 171 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Well, and Chris Davis has not had an error. He 172 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: has been a good teammate. He hasn't caused any problems 173 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: in the locker room this year. So Davis has certainly 174 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: hasn't struck out a dozen times, you know, over a week. 175 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, So what is the level of enthusiasm 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: or is it too early to judge these sports with 177 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Coleman level enthusiasm among the natives. 178 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: I do this podcast, as you know, with Adam Jones, 179 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: and he was just in town for a big series 180 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: as the Orioles took on the Yankees. As I mentioned, 181 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 3: the crowds are starting to pick up. There's still a 182 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: little bit of a fear of a lot of people 183 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: going downtown because of crime and stuff of that nature. 184 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: But they're averaging around twenty one twenty two thousand a game, 185 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: which really to me is an outstanding Now, they just 186 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: had a series against the Mets. 187 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: They had. 188 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: Two of the games were close. One game was sold out, 189 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: the other was close to a sellout. The only game 190 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: that was sold out during that series was the Eddie 191 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 3: Murray bobblehead giveaway. 192 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, one of the biggest scams in. 193 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: All of baseball are these bobblehead giveaways where people show 194 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: up and pack the park just to get the giveaway. 195 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: Teams raised the ticket prices typically for these games. 196 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so you pay a little bit more to get 197 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: in and get the bobblehead. And as you know, and 198 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: you've used this analogy with popcorn at the movie theater, 199 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: these bobbleheads cost as much as probably a box of popcorn, 200 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: except you know, they go on the open market for 201 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: a lot more than popcorn, and they go for a 202 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: lot in terms of collectibles. So they raised the price 203 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: on that and that's how the Orioles were able to, 204 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: you know, get a sellout against the Mets, which I 205 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: think is pretty sad, but that's where they are right now. 206 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: And as far as the interest in the team, you know, 207 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 3: usually this time of year been it's football season in Baltimore, 208 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: and attention has turned towards the Ravens and there's a 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: lot of excitement about the Ravens, but right now the 210 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: town is focused on the Orioles. They haven't been in 211 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 3: first place just late in the season since I think 212 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: the late nineties. 213 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Wow, I was barely alive back in the late nineties year. 214 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Don't even I know? You were just you were just 215 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: a kid back then. I was, I was a toddler there. 216 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: The bobblehead thing is wonderful. I want to spend a 217 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: couple of minutes on that, because the Dodgers have mastered 218 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: that and they know the nights the attendance. The Dodgers 219 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: are lead Baseball and attendance every year, but they know 220 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday Wednesday it's a little slow, it's not 221 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: as full as obviously the weekend, so they have strategically 222 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: placed bobblehead nights on Monday Tuesday Wednesday during the week, 223 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and there's so much passion for the bobbleheads. I was 224 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: out there, and I usually end up going during the 225 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: week because I'm doing the show, and they dragged my 226 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: ass back into the studio half the time. So I 227 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: try to plan it where I go during the week 228 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: so I can go see the Dodgers in person and 229 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: then go to the studio after and I have, over 230 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: the last couple of months picked up all these different 231 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: random bobbleheads that they foss out. Not that I planned it, 232 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: It just happens to be a night's Tuesday or Wednesday 233 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: when I'm going in or Monday, and I met some 234 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: fans of the show Jerry. On my way out, they 235 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: sent me a message on social media. Actually was the 236 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: night I got the foul ball from Ahmed Rosario and 237 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: very kind of him to give me that difected your 238 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: computer and then saved the computer that night, Right. 239 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: I did. 240 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: I did. That's the most important thing. So on my 241 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: way out, this guy, this guy sent me a message, Hey, 242 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get a photo. I 243 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: was like, well, that's really cool, that's really nice. So 244 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: I went down and he actually met me outside the 245 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: press box and so I'm I go out to meet 246 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: the guy and his buddy has a plastic bag filled 247 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: with no less than fifteen bobbleheads night and I'm like, 248 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And the guy had purchased all 249 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: these extra tickets because he's a collector, and I guess 250 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: he was going to sell them. And I don't even 251 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: remember whose bobblehead it was that night. I don't even remember. 252 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: It was some obviously somebody for the Dodgers, but oh no, 253 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: you know it was Tommy thesorda ring replica ring, World Series, 254 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: replica ring. The Oriols got into that, the replica ring thing. 255 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: No, that's probably down the line, but it's marketing genius. 256 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: And I'm just still wondering how you, as a member 257 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: of the media, were able to get the bobble at 258 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: because traditionally the teams give those out ahead of the night, 259 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: maybe to the media to put. 260 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: Out on social media and promote, but usually. 261 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: The night of the event, the media doesn't get a handout. 262 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: No, no, well, the Dodgers have usually done the night of. 263 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: They'll pass it out, it'll ask you if you want 264 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: one or not. You don't have to take it, but 265 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: most people take it. And so, yeah, they usually do 266 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: it the night of. But yeah, it would make more 267 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: sense to do it the day before. Yeah, just so 268 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: you can promote it. 269 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: But the Dodgers obviously don't feel like the Orioles do 270 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: they need that promotion. 271 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: The Dodgers probably don't feel they need that. Well, you 272 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: got to let the Orioles know, Jerry, they're missing out here. 273 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: They can have like earl Weaver ring replica. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 274 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: People love that they're proctually kind of cool. Actually the 275 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: replica rings are not They're not of the crap. People 276 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: get a ballparks of this stuff to give away. Pretty good. 277 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: The whole bobblehead thing. I'd love to go to China. 278 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: We should do a documentary, mean you, Jerry. We'll go 279 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: to China to a factory in China where they make 280 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: the bobbleheads for all the different teams and whatnot, and 281 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: we'll just go to the factory and see it's how 282 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: the process is made. How do they make the hot dogs? 283 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Who'll go in there and just to check it out. 284 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: It must be fascinating cause when I was younger and 285 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: in Jerry, you remember, all the bobbleheads were exactly the same. Yes, 286 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: there was no difference. It was all just generic. There 287 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: was the generic white guy, generic black guy bibblehead and 288 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: that was it. And there's no no bells and whistles. 289 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: And I think there was one, maybe it was the 290 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: maybe it was the Orioles one. And the old bobbleheads 291 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: they had like the bird. You remember they had the bird. 292 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: There's been there's been talking bobbleheads. 293 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: The late great Chuck Thompson used to call Orioles baseball 294 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: had a talking bobblehead. I think Joe Angel at one 295 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: point did as well. So they've come up with different 296 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: unique ideas. And yeah, they've used the bird and the 297 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: bobbleheads as well. 298 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: You know. 299 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: The disappointing thing for me, and uh, really unnerving thing 300 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: is twice now my brother, who's just maybe a year 301 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 3: younger than me or two, has asked me to get 302 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: a bobblehead for him. And he's got a kid, he's 303 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: got a daughter, my niece who's ten. Yeah, And I 304 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: said is it for her? And he said, no, it's 305 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: for me. And I said, you're fifty four years old 306 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: you really need Are you serious? You want an Adlie 307 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: Rushman Captain America bobblehead? The hell are you going to 308 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: do with that? 309 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Well, the Dodgers actually one of their promotions this year, Jerry, 310 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: this is this is next level a lebron Dodgers bobblehead there. 311 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous as the ultimate chill. Well, not only that, 312 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: I think another one they did. I might be wrong 313 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: in this. The USC quarterback Caleb Williams, who is supposed 314 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: to be the number one pick in next year's NFL draft, 315 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: the Heisman guy from usc They also did some promotion 316 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: where he's getting a bobblehead. 317 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure he's also getting some money too via 318 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: nil because that sounds like a money maker for him 319 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: as well. 320 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: If I'm him, you know I want a piece of 321 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: the pie. Yeah, no, no, sure, we need to get 322 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: in on that. We need podcasting and we need radio 323 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: nil deals, name image, likeness deals. Isn't there a Ben 324 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Maller bobblehead out there somewhere? No, No, I wish there was. 325 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: That would be really cool. I would love that, but 326 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: there's no. 327 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, once we locate that shop in China, we can 328 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: ask them politely and I'm sure they will to configure one. 329 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: We can get fifty thousand of them made for about 330 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: seven dollars and shipping would be rather high. That would 331 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: be rather crazy. So I wanted to spend a couple 332 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: of mis because me and me and Jerry we have 333 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: something in common. We both spend a lot of time 334 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: as a radio stringer, which is no longer a position. 335 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: It is a job that does not exist except there's 336 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: like one person in every city that does it, but 337 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: there used to be a bunch of people in every 338 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: city that would do it, every big league city, And 339 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: that's how I kind of got started. I worked at 340 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: a station in San Diego. They hired me. My first 341 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: paying gig other than being a boardop for San Diego 342 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: State basketball, which was a disaster, was to be a 343 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: stringer to go to games. And you did that for 344 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: many years. That's how we actually got to know each other, Jerry, 345 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: when you were the stringer in Baltimore for all the 346 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: Orioles and Ravens games and used to call in to 347 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio in the very early days of Fox 348 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: Sports Radio, back in the old days. So we've lived 349 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: a similar life, and people have asked me, it's like, hey, 350 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, you tell some more stories about those days. 351 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: What was it like and all that? And I've told 352 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: a few of them. We can't tell all of them. 353 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: But some of my favorite memories were actually the craziness 354 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: of getting kicked out of locker rooms. Were you ever 355 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: kicked out of locker rooms? Dree, do you get booted out? 356 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 4: Oh? 357 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: Of course I was thrown out of the Mets locker room. 358 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 3: But not because of you know, anything I did as 359 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: a stringer. It's because I decided to sit down on 360 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 3: a chair in a chair because I was waiting for 361 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: Mike Piazza to come out for about thirty minutes. And 362 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: Jay Horwitz, who has been the longtime PR guy there, 363 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: didn't like the fact that I'm sitting down at a 364 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: card table, asked me to get up, and I said, 365 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: do you mind getting Mike Piazza, Like I've asked four times? 366 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: He told me to get up. I didn't get up. 367 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: Then he tried to kick me out and that started 368 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: a confrontation in the visiting clubhouse at Camden Yards, and 369 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Mike Pias and the rest of 370 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: the Mets show up because they were all hiding like 371 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: cowards in the lounge or the food room, so they 372 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: weren't by their lockers, and they chased me out of 373 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: the locker room. And I just remember the Oriols PR 374 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 3: director like fifteen minutes later on the field said what 375 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: the hell just happened inside the Mets locker room? 376 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: And I said, there are a bunch of a holes. 377 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: So that was story. 378 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 3: But as far as stringing in the press box, there 379 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: have been a few incidents with me involving that maybe 380 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: noise level or trying to use a phone that didn't 381 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: belong to me. So I mean there's been episode. I 382 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: was a stringer once in Cuba. Then when the Orioles 383 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: played against the Cuban national team back in nineteen ninety nine, 384 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: I was doing some stringing work for the Four Letter 385 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: Network and for Fox and other outlets, and I didn't 386 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: have a dedicated phone, but I remember after the game 387 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: was over there were all these payphones landline phones that 388 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: were set up, and I used the Associated Press's phone. 389 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: I guess I can say it now statute of limitations 390 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: is run out. 391 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: But not only did. 392 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: I call all the networks and found my reports, I 393 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 3: think I called everyone I knew back in Baltimore as 394 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: well that day from Havana, just to check in and 395 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 3: let them know everything was going fine. 396 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: But I do remember the first couple of. 397 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: Years where the Ravens were in Baltimore and I was, 398 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 3: you know, the guy to go to for a lot 399 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 3: of the networks, and I was using a phone that 400 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: didn't belong to me either. And not only that, but 401 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: I was extra loud, so the Ravens ass that I used, 402 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: and this was an outdated reference something called a payphone 403 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 3: that was on the wall in the back of the 404 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 3: press box. So I was relegated to a payphone for 405 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: several years in the mid nineties as you were growing up. 406 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course. Now I also have a J. 407 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: Horowitz story. I got kicked out of the main press 408 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: box at Chase Stadium by J Horowitz because one of 409 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: the Mets beat writers got upset that I was there. 410 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: Because there's a class system, at least back then. I 411 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: don't know if this is still a thing in the 412 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: New York media now. I was traveling with the Dodgers 413 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: at the time, so I was part of the you know, 414 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: I was hanging I would always kind of hang out 415 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: with the beat writers and because I knew them and 416 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: they every city they'd go to, so I was hanging 417 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: out with them. But there's two different press boxes. There's 418 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: like the the adults press box for the for the 419 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: newspaper writers. Back then this newspapers mattered. Now they don't matter, 420 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: but back then they mattered. It was a big deal. 421 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: And so they had that. And then in New York, 422 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: the radio guys had their own separate They were relegated 423 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: to a little box down down the hall from the 424 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: main press box. And I didn't know that. And so 425 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: one of the Mets beat writers, this jerk, this schmuck 426 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: who I think moved to Japan to cover baseball. I 427 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: believe that's what happened. But anyway, this guy got upset 428 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: with me. He went to Horowitz and then Jay came 429 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: up to me. You got you gotta You're not allowed 430 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: to be no radio guys can be here. You gotta 431 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: go down to the to the other booth. And so 432 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: I went down with my tail between my legs and 433 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: I walked down to where all the radio guys were. 434 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: But the good news about that, though, Jerry is I 435 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: spent the night that night. I sat next to Joe Beningo, 436 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: who was Yeah, I hung out with him for most 437 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: of that game, who had a long career. He was 438 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: a caller to WFA and then became a host YEP. 439 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: And I don't know. 440 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 4: I think he's back. I think he retired and then 441 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: he came back. If I don't know, I believe he 442 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 4: is back. I believe he is back. I didn't realize 443 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: there was a tear system. I was never around that. 444 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 4: I do remember the radio people being seated far away 445 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 4: and far behind the print people when they were important 446 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 4: back in the day. But I also remember the fact that, 447 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 4: you know, the print people never appreciated the live voice 448 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: are going on behind them. 449 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: You know, Ben, Right. 450 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: Now, it's second and ten for the Ravens are at 451 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: the Raiders thirty four yard line. Ray Lewis has left 452 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 3: the game due to an accusation of murder or something 453 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: like that. And you know, all these heads turn around, like, 454 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: who's this guy talking in the back of the press box. 455 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: And I've done that in Washington, I did it in Baltimore, 456 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: and then really I came to learn the only reason 457 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: that stuff existed was for gamble that's who was paying 458 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: attention to the updates that we were providing. To be 459 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 3: honest with you, it was really and there was a 460 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 3: thing called sports Phone in New York that you're aware of. 461 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: Probably there was also something called the NBA Hotline that 462 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: I would call and foul reports for and that was 463 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 3: also for gamblers as well. And now it's just not 464 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: needed because of social media and everything so instantaneous. 465 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Well, that was the whole origin of twenty four hour 466 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: sports radio. As you know, it's WFN the updates were 467 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: for the West Coast games, so the gamblers in New 468 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: York that wanted to get an update on the Giants 469 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: game or the Padres game, and back in the oldest 470 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: you had to wait for the newspaper. But if you're 471 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: on the East Coast, nothing would pop out of the 472 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, you'd have to wait a couple days because 473 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be in the newspaper. The late West Coast 474 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: games and all that. So it's a different, different time 475 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: as far as getting kicked out of locker rooms, though 476 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell one one story. There's a couple of them. 477 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: The most famous was the Arizona Diamondbacks, and there was 478 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: a beanball battle betwe the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks, and 479 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: they were clearly throwing at each other, and I had 480 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: to get some sound from the diamondback side. And the 481 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: Dodgers had a pitcher named Chanho Park who was throwing 482 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: at the Diamondbacks, and I forget the Diamondbacks pitcher, he 483 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: was throwing at the Dodgers anyway. Matt Williams a very 484 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: surly guy who played third base for a long time 485 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: with mostly the Giants, but he played for the Indians. 486 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: They were called the Indians then and the Diamondbacks. So 487 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: I was in the locker room. I was asking him 488 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: questions about what was going on, and the first time 489 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: he kind of blew me off. He didn't address it. 490 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: So then I asked again. He gave me something, but 491 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: not what I needed. As you know, Jerry, you had 492 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: to get about fifteen seconds roughly of good audience. That's 493 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: the perfect sound bite, fifteen seconds. You don't want it 494 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: to be too long, but you don't want it to 495 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: be too short. So I asked the third time, and 496 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: then he snapped at me. He went delirious and said, 497 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: knock it off, get out of here, and he stood out. 498 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: He was drinking a beer at his locker and he 499 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: stood up and and got very upset with me, and 500 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: it was disturbed at my line of questioning seemed a 501 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: little unstable. And then a bunch of people who I 502 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: don't even know who they were came over to me 503 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: and said I had to leave, that I had to 504 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: get it now. 505 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: Most importantly, though, BEN were able to record all that, 506 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: because that's audio gold. 507 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and it got played for years because I 508 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: I was doing a local show at the time as well, 509 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: and so I made sure to play that here's a 510 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: major League baseball player off of his rocker, and here 511 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: you go. And also speaking of that, speaking of off 512 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: the rocker, the late Tony Phillips. Did you ever deal 513 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: with Tony back in the day. 514 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a hothead. I stayed away from him. 515 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Same thing with Albert Bell and Delman Young, guys I 516 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: had to deal with. 517 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there haven't been. 518 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was never thrown out, but there were There 519 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: have been a lot of encounters inside locker rooms with 520 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: myself and athletes, whether it be Delman Young who didn't 521 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 3: understand why I was approaching him after he had hit 522 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 3: a game winning three run homer, because he said I 523 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: hadn't approached him, you know, all year long, when he 524 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: had done nothing at the plate. So yeah, when you 525 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 3: had the game winning home run, That's kind of the 526 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: way it works in the major leagues. People do want 527 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 3: to hear what you have to say when you know 528 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: your bat decides the game. 529 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: There was an episode with the Ravens. 530 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: You may remember the former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who. 531 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: Had a very very brief NFL career and was a 532 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: total jerk. 533 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: The Ravens used to play something on Fridays called media Dodgeball, 534 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: and they thought it would be fun to turn out 535 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: the lights in the locker room and they would throw 536 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: a football around and one player would lob it to 537 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: another player. 538 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: They turn the lights on and off, and. 539 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: The other player would be standing behind you and they 540 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: would catch the football right over your head and don't 541 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: get right on your head. So I'm not a big guy, 542 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: and I remember there was a guy named Tom Zavikowski 543 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: who lobbed it over to Troy Smith. 544 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: Troy slammed the football on my head. 545 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: I went down like Tim Anderson, and my head hit 546 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: the floor and I was seeing stars for like thirty seconds. 547 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: I wasn't out, but I'm just staring up and all 548 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: I remember it was like a scene out of a movie. 549 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 3: It was like Troy Smith, Joe Flacco, Terrell Suggs, all 550 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: these guys are. 551 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 1: Looking on Coleman. 552 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 3: You all right, you are right now. Let's just say 553 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: that was the end of media Dodgeball. It was also 554 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 3: the end of Troy Smith being a jerk to me, 555 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 3: because I think he was worried that I may sue him, 556 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 3: and I probably should have wore a neck brace the 557 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: next day to the locker room. But after that, he 558 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: couldn't have been nicer and that was the end of 559 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: media dodgeball. 560 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: So there's been incidents like that. 561 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 3: There was an incident where Raven tried to block me 562 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: from going to a certain part of the locker room 563 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: because he told me that area was prohibited, and I said, 564 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: I've been covering the team since you were in high school. 565 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: Get out of my way, and we got into it. 566 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: The PR guy didn't ask me to leave, but asked 567 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: me not to pursue that person down in that corner 568 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 3: of the locker room. And the player's name still plays 569 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: with Raven, this guy Tias Bowser. We've had no communications since. 570 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: Wow, all right, and yeah, I like how certain areas 571 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: are completely awful limit even though they're like public areas 572 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: of the clubhouse. In the locker room, you're like, you're 573 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: not supposed to go a tallowed ground, you can't go 574 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: over there. Did you ever get the joy of you 575 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: mentioned waiting for Mike Piazza. I spent many a night 576 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: waiting for Barry Bonds to shower, and a couple of 577 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: times Barry never came out of the shower. He snuck 578 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: out the back and would have the clubhouse, guy go 579 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: get his clothes. And so that's how much he loathed 580 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: talking to the media. Real fun guy. And I love 581 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: that Barry's now trying to change his reputation a little bit, 582 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: like he thinks he's got this Hill Mary chance and 583 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: maybe he will get in the Hall of Fame. He 584 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: probably should be in the Hall of Fame. But he's 585 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: a total dick and he was He's treated people like 586 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: shit when he played back in the day, and so 587 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: Bonds is like trying to change things up. But I'm like, no, 588 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: I remember that. No, you were you know you're not. 589 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: You're not rewriting history here, Barry. You were terrible. But 590 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned Albert Belts. You just didn't even bother talking 591 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: to Albert. You just stayed when he was with the Orioles. 592 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: You just stayed away from No. 593 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: In fact, there was a new policy that was started 594 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: during spring training. 595 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: They used to let the. 596 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: Media go into the locker room during spring training games 597 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: to interview players before they left. As you know, a 598 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: lot of these players would leave in the third or 599 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: fourth inning. So the story goes, we were inside the 600 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: Orioles locker room. 601 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: It was in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 602 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: I forgot who the player was, but we were speaking 603 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: to him and Albert Belt came in into a temper 604 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: tantrum and took a bat to a locker and just 605 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: smashed it up the pieces and we all looked around, 606 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: like you know, everyone was like, well, I guess we're 607 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: not going to talk about that. But the guy from 608 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: the AP, who's a good friend of mine still and 609 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: I played that as with them, says no, I got 610 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: a call New York to see, you know, if I 611 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: should write about this, and we're like, eh, do you 612 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: have to? 613 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I do. 614 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: So he called New York and they said yes, said 615 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: it was written about and after that, no one was 616 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 3: allowed inside the locker room until and that's still the 617 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: Orioles policy. 618 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 1: No one's allowed inside the locker room during the games. 619 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 3: As far as a player, that would make me wait, 620 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: it's a guy who, unlike Barry Bonds, is in the 621 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but like Barry Bonds, was a bit 622 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: of a douchebag. And that was Mike Musina, and Musina 623 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: was infamous for making the media weight. I'll never forget 624 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: what someone said to him, Hey, Mike, can I just 625 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: ask you one question, and he turned around and said, 626 00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: you just did. But he also was infamous for coming 627 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: out while the media was waiting around his locker and 628 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: you know, we thought he was ready to talk. Instead 629 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: he would grab his toothbrush and his toothpaste it's a 630 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: detal floss, and go back into the you know, into 631 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: the locker room bathroom area, take about fifteen minutes, come 632 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 3: back out, then brush his hair, keep his back to 633 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: us and all that, and finally turn around, after like 634 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: a twenty twenty five minute wait, finally get a few 635 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: small quotes from this guy who didn't speak in long sentences, 636 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: so he was pretty jerky. That stood out more than anyone. 637 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: Cal Ripkin took a long time to come out after 638 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: games as well, but that was deserved a little bit 639 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: more because you know, it was Cal Ripken. But Mike, 640 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 3: you've seen it was really a pain in the neck 641 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: to deal with. And so was the former picture named 642 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: Eric Badard, who actually got traded away for Adam Jones. 643 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: But Bdard was a total jerk and didn't like speaking 644 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: to the media at all wherever he went, and now 645 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: is out of baseball after collecting a lot of money. 646 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all of them made a ton of money. 647 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: Good for them, and we're the Dodo birds that sat 648 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: there and waited for them to talk to bless us 649 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: with a few words here. So, Jerry, now you're getting 650 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: this season in the NFL. You've got the Odell Beckham 651 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: experience coming to Baltimore. Here are you excited about that? 652 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 3: Dealing with Odell during the season there is I'm predicting 653 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: right now, he's going to be a problem. I'm saying 654 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: it right now, And I know the team has embraced them, 655 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: they love them. I think it was a panic move 656 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: by the Ravens to go out and pay him fifteen 657 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: million when no one else was going to sign him for. 658 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: That kind of money. 659 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: But at the time when they signed him, if you 660 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: looked at their list of wide receivers was basically Rashod 661 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: baven Since then, they've drafted this kid's eve Flowers out 662 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: of Florida and added guys like Nelson Aguilar and we'll 663 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 3: see how he works. Marcus Peters is no longer a 664 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 3: part of the Ravens. You couldn't have both of those 665 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: personalities and the same lockram In my opinion, even though 666 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: John Harbaugh has been around sixteen years now. I just 667 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 3: don't think, you know, he's strong enough to maintain those personalities. 668 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: But Beckham is going to be interesting because he has 669 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: a tendency, as you know, to wear out is welcome. 670 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 3: His dad is notorious for leaking stories, and I can 671 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: see a scenario where he's just not getting the ball 672 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: enough from you know, Lamar Jackson to his liking, where 673 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: he causes an uproar if things go sour. So we 674 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: will see how it plays out. But right now, he's 675 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: a megastar in Baltimore. I went to one of his 676 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 3: football camps where he was charging kids two hundred and 677 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: seventy five dollars apiece just to come out there, and 678 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: you know, he would throw the football to him. They 679 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: spent five hours out there with them, God bless them, 680 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: made a killing. And at a Raven's training camp, he's 681 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: been a hit every day with the fans that are 682 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: allowed out there. They don't allow the unwashed out at 683 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: training camp. You have to be like a season ticket 684 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: holder or a sponsor to attend that. But the city 685 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: is in love with him as of now. We'll see 686 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: how it develops. 687 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a star. He played well for the Rams 688 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: but he was only with the Rams for half the season, 689 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: and then he was gonna be the MVP of the 690 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: Super Bowl the way that game started, and then he 691 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: went snap, crackle, pop, and that was it. And as 692 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: far as Lamar Jackson is concerned, Jerry, we both thought 693 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't going to get paid. I think you were 694 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: in agreement here where you were, Oh yeah, you were 695 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: out that the Ravens were not going to give him 696 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: the money. They did give him the money. Lamar did 697 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: not play particularly well last season. As the season progressed, 698 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: his numbers did not live up to the name, the 699 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: MVP name of Lamar Jackson. So what happens now that 700 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: he's gotten paid, Well, all the pressure in the world, 701 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: there's no more excuses. All the pressure in the world 702 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: is on him. He's won one playoff game. 703 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 3: They're gonna Seriously, the expectation is if this team doesn't 704 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: get to the AFC Championship, then it's a failed season. 705 00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: So they have Super Bowl aspiration. 706 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: Obviously, they've gone out and made some acquisitions to try 707 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 3: and bolster their offense. They think their defense is going 708 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 3: to be pretty solid. It's going to come down I 709 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: think to them in the Bengals. They probably the Steelers 710 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: to a degree, but mostly the Bengals in that division. 711 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 3: And the owner of the team, Steve Ashanti, is a 712 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 3: big fan and he wants to see this team back 713 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: in the playoffs, you know, I mean last year they 714 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: had a chance. But Lamar, as you mentioned, hasn't been 715 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: the same really since his MVP season. He's been in 716 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: decline in my opinion, and he's also been hurt an 717 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 3: awful lot. But Steve finally decided to pay him when 718 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 3: a lot of people thought they were going to wait 719 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: one more year, but it would just lead to a 720 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 3: lot of acrimony. So they bit the pullet and they 721 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 3: paid the guy. And hopefully it doesn't go the way 722 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: that it went for Joe Flacco, where once he got paid, 723 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 3: he went into the tank. 724 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, as far as you're a podcast for 725 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: those you want to hear more of Jerry, you're a 726 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: radio vetteror but you've moved to the podcast based Jerry. 727 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: You've got very popular podcast, as you mentioned with Adam Jones. 728 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: How can people find that? I assume everywhere, anywhere and everywhere, 729 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: and you want it's mostly Baltimore, right, You're mostly talking 730 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: about the Orioles in Baltimore sports. But you cover a 731 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: little bit everything, don't you. 732 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 3: We do go national. We've had some you know, national guests. 733 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 3: I mean most of the most of the people do 734 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 3: have ties to Baltimore or ask them something about Baltimore. 735 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 3: But Ken Griffy Junior, Barry Levinson, you know people who 736 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 3: are national names have been on before. But also you know, 737 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: Buck Showalter, Brandon Hide, John Harbaugh. You can find it 738 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 3: the same place you're listening to this podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify. 739 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: I would presume we're also on YouTube. 740 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 3: We like to show our faces, Ben, I know you 741 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: don't do that typically on your podcast. We have we 742 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 3: have great sponsors which helped flip the bills. We have 743 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: a great media partner which helps pay the bill. And 744 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: it's been very fun doing this thing with a guy 745 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 3: who has you know, been around the world. He's living 746 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 3: in Barcelona, Spain. I'm talking about Adam Owns, who was 747 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 3: a former five time All Star and now looks to 748 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: get maybe a little bit into the broadcasting world. 749 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: He's dipping his toe in it. 750 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 3: It's been interesting in developing that with him and trying 751 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: to let him know that it's okay to criticize these 752 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 3: guys every once in a while, even though at times 753 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 3: he's reluctant. I'm trying to let him know that that 754 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 3: helps the podcast if he's a little bit critical. 755 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: But he does have to walk a little bit of 756 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: a fine line. I don't I don't care. Now it's 757 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: two words, tough love. Tough love. Yep, Well that's the 758 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: the key. 759 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to sugarcoat it for anyone. If 760 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 3: the team's going bad, I'm going to let him know 761 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 3: if we have a player or a guest on. I mean, 762 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 3: you know, Jim Palmer was on This is On this week, 763 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 3: and Jim and I did have a little bit of 764 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 3: a falling out at one point when I broke a 765 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 3: story where he was quoted as saying that he thought 766 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 3: Brady Anderson you steroids that year he had fifty home runs, 767 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: and he claimed that I had doctored the tape and 768 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 3: all that in a story to the Washington Post. Now, 769 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: I didn't bring that up during the interview with Palmer 770 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 3: just because things were going so smoothly, but it was 771 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 3: in the back of my mind, and I know if 772 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 3: I would have brought it up, it would have just 773 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 3: caused a lot of consternation between Adam and myself and 774 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 3: probably Palmer and myself, which I really don't need at 775 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: this point. So it was over what fifteen years ago 776 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 3: when Brady Anderson hit fifty home runs, So I've sort 777 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 3: of let that go, but I'll never forget that. 778 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: Jim Palmer accused me of doctoring the. 779 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 3: Tape from an interview he did with him about where 780 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 3: he made the accusation. 781 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: Were you in there with the razor blades, like splicing 782 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: the tape up to make it seem like he said 783 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: something he didn't say, Jerry, were you doing something? It's 784 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: funny because I used that type of terminology. 785 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: I was like, that was the only time I ever 786 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 3: had displice tape was going to college once, Ethica College, 787 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: where I learned that. Never did that at the professional level, 788 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 3: Never had to do that at the professional level, just 789 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 3: in college with the razor blade. 790 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: But I'm not that talented. Yeah no, And I learned too. 791 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: I learned how to do the razor blade editing in 792 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: the early archaic days of radio, and then about a 793 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: year into my career everything went digital and I was like, ah, 794 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 1: that's all I wasted my time learning how to slice 795 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: the real guests. I'll never use that skill. All right, 796 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: We'll leave it there, Jerry, thank you again. You're on 797 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: with Adam Jones. That podcast available and it's just the 798 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: is it the Adam Jones podcast? Is that? 799 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we put his name on there because of anything 800 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 3: inflammatory or you know, anything that goes viral. As said, 801 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 3: it comes back to him and not me. 802 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: I got you. That makes total sense. You're devoid of liability, 803 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: you have a plot. 804 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 3: We just yeah, it was strategic in using his name 805 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 3: in that fashion. A lot of people are like, wellwcome, 806 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 3: you're not included, and I said, I'm okay with that. 807 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: If you watch or listen to the podcast, I'm the 808 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 3: dominant voice song there. I mean, he's he's the star 809 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 3: of the show, but I'm the host and the guy 810 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 3: that you see in here probably the most. 811 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: So I'm okay with that. Nice. Nice all right, Well, 812 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: thank you, Jerry. We'll catch you on again. We'll put 813 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 1: you on here at some point again. Thank you man, 814 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Ben