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All right, guys, Hey, you guys know every 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: time I'm here at the Apex, something big must have happened, 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: so I gotta jump on right away. But today's episode 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: provider of UFC. 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 2: They're in your corner with unlimited. 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Five G data that will not slow you down. Now, guys, 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: that is a total power move you want, it's a 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: power move. 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: Let me tell you something man about the PFL. 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I think the PFL at times gets things wrong. I 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: thought the PFL got things right when they signed Francis. 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: I think the PFL at. 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: This point might be making the right decision at the 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: right time by cutting ties with the big Man. 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: But why why do I say that? 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: Because it excites me, Because if the big Man is 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: on the free agent market, that gives me the idea 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: that it's possible that he could come back and fight here. Look, 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: we have a massive card at the White House, right 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: we have a heavyweight division that's a flux. Yesterday, Tom 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Aspnon signs with Eddie Hearn, who, by the way, Dana 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: White and Eddie hern A fighting. I mean last week 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Dana White called him the biggest buss he's ever seen 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: in his entire life. Then goes on today and says 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: he has no problem with Eddie Hearn. So this whole 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: thing is crazy, right, Well, the heavyweight champion is out, 51 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: Tom aspinall the former heavyweight champion now is a free agent. 52 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: We have the White House cart where John Jones says 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: he's negotiating with the UFC on whether or not he's 54 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: on France and gone Will becoming available now makes it. 55 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: Plays a factor in all these things. 56 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: And let me tell you how right Tom Asperon's with 57 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: her and say he can't really come to terms with 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: the UFC. If the UFC can get France and Ghano 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: back in the fold, then you start making fights with 60 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: him and say he always was the champion, he just 61 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: left for a while. John Jones gives you too many 62 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: problems to get on the White House, right, or it's 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: not working Frances and Gano's on the market. You kind 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: of pivot and go, well, Francis, can we get together 65 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: and talk about maybe you fighting at the White House. 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: That takes a little bit of that leverage from the 67 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Jones side. And then also it just gives us the 68 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: chance to have Frances back in the UFC. Now, I 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: don't know that that's gonna happen because it seems like 70 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: the UFC and are Yeah, Data and Frances aren't really 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: coming together in the way that they would need to 72 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: in order to make that happen. But hell, we have 73 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: seen things happen in sport, especially entertainment, more than I 74 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: could come to tell you. 75 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: So see him bunk hated the WWE. He's back now. 76 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: We've seen so many brock Lesbion like bronck Leslon would 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: never get back in the ww after all the things 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: that he did. 79 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: He's back now. 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: So many people have had issues with the organization and 81 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: they've been back. Why does that matter? Why am I 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: speaking WWE? Well, these moves have happened under the TKO 83 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: manner right where TKO, which is the parent company of 84 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: the UFC, the WWE, where they say, even though there 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: is bad blood, the bottom line means and matters more 86 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: so we can look past the issue to get to 87 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: what we're trying to do right, which is make the 88 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: biggest and best matches for WrestleMania, sumssnigmen, all those things. 89 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: You would imagine that maybe the UFC would take the 90 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: same stance when it comes to a guy like Francis. 91 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, hey, man, come on, come on, Chris. 92 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: The PFL I got Chris. Whyman here, Chris, come here, Chris. 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: Did the PFL get screod Bell gets screwed? Francis fault 94 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: one time? There? Remember he signed at twenty three. 95 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: It was the biggest deal of all time. He was 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: going to be an ambassador for fighters. His opponents were 97 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: gonna get paid very well. But it's he bots more 98 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: than he actually fought MMA. So did the PFL get screwed? 99 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: And what is that? 100 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: Like? 101 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: What does this mean to you here that frances on 102 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: the market. Do you think the UFC could come to 103 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: terms with them? And do you agree with my idea 104 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: that it takes leverage off of the Jones plate, It 105 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: takes leverage off of the tom Asman. 106 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 2: All plate, all everything. Does it affect everything? Like I feel? 107 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it looks like the PFL got screwed. 108 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: It looks like they weren't happy with the deal. They 109 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 3: probably overpaid Francis for that first MMA fight, and then 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: he was boxing and they weren't willing to pay him again. 111 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: They realized they didn't get the numbers that they needed to. 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: So it looks like they're moving on. 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: But I do think this makes things very interesting, especially 114 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 4: for this White House, and because we've been talking about 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: the John Jones Pajea fight and they're saying they're gonna 116 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: be announcing the fights on Saturday. So if if Francis Agano, 117 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: if the UFC just found out Francis Agano got became 118 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 4: a free agent, do we make a quick turnaround? Don't 119 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 4: what's big John Jones Jones or Alex Bajea versus John 120 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: John Jones. 121 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think we both can agree that John Jones 122 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: is the is the is the is the sticking point. 123 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: You gotta have Jones first off, because he's American, He's 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: an American guy. I think Jones is the one that 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: stays regardless. Francis Jones a Pereira Jones, I think Francis 126 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: I think. 127 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: I think Francis versus John Jones is the bigger fight. 128 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: I agree because they were there was a long history there, 129 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 3: there were supposed to fight people acting like. 130 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: John Jones was scared of Francis. He wasn't. 131 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: Then Francis was scared of John Jones. You know, I'm 132 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: just saying that's that's what the talk was. 133 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 2: And here we go. Is it two years or something? 134 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Three year twenty three, twenty three is when he signed 135 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: with the PFL. But but but remember Francis had really 136 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: bad issues with the UFC. I mean talking about like 137 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: those guys they don't. But but but again t k 138 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: O is the parent company. Now they have shown time 139 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: and time again that they can look past the personal 140 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: to get back to making the money. 141 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: One hundred. Business is business. 142 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 5: I think they could look past it, and I think. 143 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: I hope they can make that happen. You want to 144 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: make you think Francis would be sick against. 145 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: John Jones because you know, hey, that fight is that 146 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: fight would be sick too, But it would be you know, 147 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: people would. 148 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 5: Be like, John Jones is gonna go out there and 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 5: take him down? Me seeing him get taken that by 150 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 5: his But that was so long much better now I agree, 151 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 5: I agree with all those things. But that's where people's 152 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 5: mind's going to be a little bit. So Francis Ganno 153 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 5: is a monster? Can John Jones just throw him around? 154 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 5: I don't think can you just take him down like that? No, 155 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 5: I think he's gonna have to stay. 156 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Francis hard is big, and obviously he's gotten better at boxing. 157 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: If he was training for two boxing fights against two 158 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: the greatest boxers in the world, you'd imagine he's even 159 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: more dangerous today than he was even back then. 160 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, if they could make that fight happen, please, let's 161 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 5: make that. 162 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: My man, Chris Whiteman, guys, it changes everything. It changes everything, 163 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: this guy being on the market. 164 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: I believe that. 165 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: If you're the UFC, you take a close look. I'm 166 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: not saying you have to do it. I'm saying, though, 167 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: you take a close look at what it would take 168 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: to make this happen, because I'm telling you it helps everything. 169 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: It helps every situation. If there is a. 170 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Tom Aspnaul is the heavyweight champion in the world, make 171 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: no mistake about it. 172 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: He's the best heavyweight in the world, or at. 173 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: Least when John Jones retired, That's exactly what he was, 174 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: and so many believed that he would. 175 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: Beat John Jones even if they fought. 176 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: So tom Aspinaut is thatweight champion in the world. But 177 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: if tom Aspinaut is having trouble coming to terms with 178 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: the UFC. If tom Aspinall is injured as he is 179 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: and out for as long as it seems like you 180 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: will be, to put the former heavyweight champion who walked 181 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: away with the belt back in there would be a 182 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: massive deal. 183 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 184 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: This is all me guessing because I don't know anything, 185 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: but I know that the first thing I thought when 186 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and saw that France and 187 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: Gano had been released by the PFL, first was like, 188 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: why would they do that? Is it smart that right 189 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: now they're cutting their losses and going Okay, this Francis 190 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: and Ghanu experiment did not work. 191 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: But immediately my mind shifted to wow, this. 192 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Is great for the UFC and fans around the world 193 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: who love mixed martial arts because potentially they could get 194 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: the opportunity to see him back in the octagon. And 195 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: if you see him back in the octagon, they have 196 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: massive fights all across the heavyweight division for him, all 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: across thatvyway division. Hey John Jones, you don't want to 198 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: fight uh tom Asbina. Okay, let's do tom asbadaal Francis 199 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: and Ghanu, right, Let's do the Formeruey jam versus the 200 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: current heavyweight champ. 201 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: Let's do that, Okay, John, you. 202 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: Want to fight a super fight with Alex Perra, Okay, 203 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: we'll do John Jones. Well, sorry, we'll do Tom Aspernal 204 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: versus Francis. It just would make it to me. It 205 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: just feels like it would make the division a little 206 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: bit more exciting to have a bunch of guys at 207 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: the top that could fight each other. 208 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: Because right now Alex Ferreira is a heavyweight excitement. 209 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: John Jones is back as heavyweight excitement, asking the heavyweight 210 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: champ excitement. You start putting the big dog in there too, 211 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: Big Frank, the heavyweight division starts to look viable again. 212 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Now remember he's thirty nine years old, the only fault 213 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: one mm fight in the PFL. 214 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: He has not fault him made that long. 215 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, when you possess the power he 216 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: has in all that danger, man, maybe he's still viable. 217 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: And even if not for anything more than to get 218 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: that one fight that so many thought. Man, if we 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: could get Jones in France to get that one fight, 220 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: you want to talk about making the biggest fight ever 221 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: on the White House lawn. 222 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: I think that's it. I think that's the biggest fight ever. 223 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: We'll see. 224 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens Saturday. I'm hoping, I'm not sure. 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: Until next time, guys, Peace,