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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast, the Please to Meet You Hope

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Speaker 1: You Guess My Name edition as I chat with Bengals

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Speaker 1: been reunited with his college quarterback Joe Burrow. And speaking

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Speaker 1: after suffering his knee injury. I'll discuss that and much

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Speaker 1: more with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, who will also

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Speaker 1: thing since the kindness of my boss Mike Brown. Last

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Speaker 1: week on this podcast, Mike joined me to share stories

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Speaker 1: about the team's Ring of Honor candidates. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: very gracious to me, and he agreed to meet me

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Speaker 1: After starting his college career at nc State, Thaddy has

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Speaker 1: all meaningful. So I think the fact that he participated

429
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Speaker 1: in every single aspect of it was significant. The thing

430
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Speaker 1: I did notice Dand though the Bengals had great attendants,

431
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Speaker 1: obviously one hundred percent attendants at this and not other

432
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Speaker 1: teams in the league can make that claim. But I

433
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Speaker 1: do think that that there's been an agreement that it's

434
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Speaker 1: going to be very, very minimal. They didn't even run

435
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Speaker 1: any offense against defense, and I remember every OTA their

436
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: very first workout of OTAs at the end team drill

437
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 1: was run and they ran offense against defense and they

438
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: plays they didn't, So I think I think they're they're

439
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Speaker 1: scaling everything back. Okay, if you show up to mini camp,

440
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Speaker 1: make sure you don't do anything or do less of

441
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Speaker 1: where injuries might occur. If you're in team eleven eleven

442
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: and you're playing bump and run, you have hands on people,

443
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Speaker 1: and people get tangled up in a pile. If you

444
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Speaker 1: run an inside run play, even though it's not full

445
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: of contact, there's a lot of feet and a lot

446
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: of bodies around each other, and guys can get caught

447
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: in compromising positions and bend the wrong way with an

448
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: ankle or a knee or whatever. So I think that

449
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: there's been some sort of an unwritten agreement as such

450
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Speaker 1: that Okay, if you go through OTAs, you're gonna maybe

451
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Speaker 1: at the very end the last week of OTAs, you

452
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Speaker 1: might be able to run some team But it sounds

453
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Speaker 1: like they're not going to run any team drills all

454
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Speaker 1: this week and maybe to next week. I think that's

455
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Speaker 1: by design. I don't think that's an accident. Well, let's

456
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Speaker 1: talk about attendance, because that was the other big story

457
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: on Day one. We've seen players from other teams say

458
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Speaker 1: that they planned to skip the OTAs, And I'm trying

459
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Speaker 1: to picture what this practice looked like in other cities.

460
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Speaker 1: Were they doing it with twenty guys out there, twenty

461
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Speaker 1: five guys out there instead of nearly one hundred. Yeah,

462
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean you look at it. If you've only if

463
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Speaker 1: you only had seven draft picks, if you didn't sign

464
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Speaker 1: you know, fifteen free agents at different positions, you couldn't

465
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Speaker 1: run team drill anyway. So yeah, I mean it's interesting.

466
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Speaker 1: I think in other places it might have looked like

467
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Speaker 1: the rookie Minnie camp that we watched it last week

468
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: and that's probably about it. You know, the rookies are

469
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Speaker 1: going to show up. The rookies are like, uh no,

470
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Speaker 1: don't don't expect me not to. I can't honor your

471
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: union request because I'm not a member of the union.

472
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make the football team first and foremost.

473
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Speaker 1: And I remember, I remember that, you know when I

474
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Speaker 1: when I was a rookie, there was a work stoppage

475
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Speaker 1: and and man it was tough. Well, you know, rookie,

476
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Speaker 1: a rookie, you're you're crossing the picket lines. Future teammates

477
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: are walking the picket lines, and you're you know, you're

478
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Speaker 1: going in there to go to practice, and they're looking

479
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Speaker 1: to lay. Hey, rook you know we'll be catching up

480
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: with you. Look forward to seenior on the practice field.

481
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: You know it's going to be interesting, you know. But

482
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Speaker 1: so it was a real interesting dynamic there, and I

483
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Speaker 1: don't I don't kind of wish that on anybody, for

484
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: sure of it. It is interesting how it might look

485
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Speaker 1: around the league. And I did ask DJ reader the question,

486
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Speaker 1: why did you think it was important for everybody to

487
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Speaker 1: show up for OTAs? And he said, because we went

488
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Speaker 1: four and twelve last year, which is actually worse than

489
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: they were four eleven and one. The tie against the

490
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Speaker 1: Eagles gets no respect, But that's it. In the nutshell,

491
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: these guys are sick of being bad and if a

492
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Speaker 1: few practices in the offseason might make the difference and

493
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Speaker 1: winning a few more games, they're going to show up

494
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Speaker 1: and then try to get it done. Yeah. I mean,

495
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Speaker 1: I think the guys who were part of last year's

496
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Speaker 1: football team. You know, look, okay, we stunk. We didn't

497
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Speaker 1: get it done. We were nowhere near where we wanted

498
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Speaker 1: to be. Now we have all these new players and

499
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Speaker 1: new additions, and we need We got a lot of

500
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Speaker 1: work to do. You know, we have a bunch of

501
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Speaker 1: new faces. We want to make sure that we're on

502
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Speaker 1: the same page. The only way to get better is

503
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Speaker 1: to take reps together. Repetition breeds comfort level of the

504
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: guy next to you and how you feel comfortable working

505
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Speaker 1: with him next to him, And there's there's no replacement

506
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Speaker 1: for repetitions. I mean, you can talk about it till

507
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: you're blue in the face, but you get off there

508
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Speaker 1: on the field. Man, it's a different world out there,

509
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to actually go through it.

510
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: Get the muscle memory and repetition breeds comfort level, and

511
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Speaker 1: they want to start that as quickly as they possibly can.

512
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Speaker 1: The other thing I wrote down of note from day

513
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Speaker 1: one of OTA's was the starting offensive line from left

514
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Speaker 1: to right, Jonah Williams, Quentin Spain, Billy Price, Xaviers to

515
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Speaker 1: A Philo and Riley Reef. Obviously, we shouldn't read too

516
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Speaker 1: much into this. Trey Hopkins isn't fully cleared yet coming

517
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Speaker 1: back from his torn acl He was observing, and Jackson

518
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Speaker 1: Carmen's going to be given every chance to win one

519
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: of the starting guard spots. But do you read anything

520
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: into Quinton Spain lining up as the left guard, Xavier

521
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: Sue Philo lining up as the right guard. You know,

522
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Speaker 1: I mean they're they're the veterans, They've they've got the experience. Uh,

523
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of it is overall

524
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: experience levels. Um, it's it's a there's there's a lot

525
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Speaker 1: of youth in that in that group, and there's a

526
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Speaker 1: lot of youth in the in the In the next

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Speaker 1: group that lined up, uh Deante Smith lined up at

528
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Speaker 1: left tackle with the number two is Michael Jordan lined

529
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Speaker 1: up at left guard. Uh Sutherland lined up at center,

530
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Speaker 1: which was a little bit of a surprise to me

531
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Speaker 1: with the number two's identity lined up at guard and

532
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Speaker 1: Prince lined up at right tackle with the number twos,

533
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Speaker 1: and you still you know, you still have other It's

534
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: it's a full full boat in terms of bodies, so

535
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: you still have other players. Trey Hill obviously got snaps

536
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Speaker 1: at center as well, but he was the number three

537
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Speaker 1: center today and I don't think that's the projection for him.

538
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: But I think you have to start somewhere, So I

539
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of it is just years service, experience

540
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: with the organization, those kind of things. All Right, We've

541
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Speaker 1: got a bunch of ask Lap questions that were submitted

542
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: via Twitter this week. The first one comes from Steven

543
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: what offensive line to make up the best starting five? Yeah,

544
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: that's certainly to be determined, and you know some of

545
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: it is injury related. Obviously. Trey Hopkins is the best

546
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: center if healthy, but Billy Price is the guy that

547
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: lined up to start OTAs at the center position. I

548
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: think the tackle spots Riley Reef, I think he'll probably

549
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: line up at the right tackle position, Jonah Williams at

550
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: left tackle, but then you look at the guard spots.

551
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's wide open and it's anybody's ball game

552
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: in there. And he lined up a couple of veterans,

553
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: the s Brothers Spain and Sue a. Philo, because of

554
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: their NFL experience and experience in the Bengals organization, I think,

555
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: but but anybody really, I mean, it's it's a clean slate.

556
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you did in the past. Frank

557
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: Pollock is looking for his five best players. And the

558
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: interesting thing that they do have, Dan, it's there's a

559
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: lot of bodies in that in that offensive line room,

560
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: for sure, and a lot of them have position versatility.

561
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: And as many as seven these guys have lined up

562
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: at the tackle position. So the fact that you've got

563
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: that many guys that could, in a pinch, you know,

564
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: line up out there, I think it could get very,

565
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Speaker 1: very competitive because you're only going to keep seven to

566
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Speaker 1: nine of them, probably eight or nine guys. And if

567
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: you have guys that can play center, guard or tackle

568
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: in today's National Football League, that's extremely valuable. And Frank

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Speaker 1: Pollock is going to have an interesting process to decide

570
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: what's the best five to throw out there. All right,

571
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: we have a good follow up question based on that answer.

572
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Speaker 1: This comes from Ben coverte Ken Hakima Dentagy steal the

573
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Speaker 1: left guard spot. I think he can. I think he's

574
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Speaker 1: got the ability. They lined them up as a second

575
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: right guard today. He was in there behind Sue Filu

576
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Speaker 1: at the right guard position. But you know, right and left,

577
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter in today's NFL again with the

578
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: position versatility we're talking about. And I think he does

579
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Speaker 1: have the skill set. I think he has defeat and

580
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: I think he has the hand placement ability. And you know,

581
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: if you can play tackle, usually you can slide inside

582
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: the guard, and he has played quite a bit of

583
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Speaker 1: tackle in his football career. So I think if he

584
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: shows the athletic you know, that fits him athletically, and

585
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: he's one of the five best players in Frank Pollock's mind,

586
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: He's going to line him up at one of those

587
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: guard spots. There's no doubt about it. I think that

588
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: he definitely should be in the mix, and I think

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: he is. Let's stick with the offensive line. Brian and

590
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Greg essentially asks the same question, should the Bengals sign

591
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: recently released Washington Football team offensive tackle Morgan Moses. You know,

592
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I think the economics of it, or maybe the what's

593
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: holding Morgan Moses back from signing anywhere right now, the

594
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Speaker 1: June first or June second, whatever it is, when the

595
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: salary cap changes, what kind of a hit that will

596
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: be from a salary cap concern, All of those things

597
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: into come into play, come into consideration. I would think

598
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: that you're never not a valid waiting opportunities to get

599
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: prospects to the offensive line. But can it fit? Can

600
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the economics work? Is the player? What's what's the medical

601
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: on the player? Is there something that you know Joe

602
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Joe Q fan has no idea that that there's been

603
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: an issue with Moses over the last couple of years.

604
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: So all of those play a big part in the

605
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: Trainers are usually very very honest with each other, you know,

606
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: within the confines of the National Football League, they don't

607
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: they don't really keep secrets from each other. In that regard,

608
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: Bengalorean asks this question, what is your take on the

609
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: linebacker corps? What do they need to do to not

610
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: make linebacker a priority in next year's draft? Well, they

611
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: drafted three of them in the not this past draft,

612
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: but the draft before, and they like all of them.

613
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Um So I think that they're excited about their their

614
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: linebacker corps, and usually from year one to year or two,

615
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: there's a significant UH better understanding of the game, what's

616
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Speaker 1: asked of you, how to X cute it and UH

617
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: and fit within the scheme of the of the of

618
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinators mindset and putting his game plan together.

619
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Speaker 1: So I think all of those factors are going to

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Speaker 1: be UH an improvement for the linebacker corps in general

621
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Speaker 1: and specifically with every single player. So I expect across

622
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Speaker 1: the board linebacker play to improve. And you know, I

623
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: think obviously Josh Bines was a guy that you know,

624
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: it was almost like an assistant coach on the football field.

625
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: Does he have anything left, you know, in terms of

626
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: rubber on the tire to stay out there and give

627
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: them a lot of snaps. But I do like the

628
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: young athletic group of linebackers. I do think that they

629
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: all love football. I think that's a big factor and

630
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: I think they're going to perform well for the Bengals

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00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: this year. I think they're gonna be a big, big

632
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: reason for defensive improvement. As we know, Dan Bengs are

633
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: going up more rushing yards than any team in the

634
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: NFL over the last three years. Come line, and people

635
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: are like, wow, they only had seventeen sacks, you know,

636
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: amongst the worst in the league. You had to earn

637
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: the right to be able to rush the passer. If

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: you're if you're a sitting the running game, it's hard

639
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: to get a pass rush. Man. I can speak from experience.

640
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: If you're an offensive lineman, knowing you can run the ball,

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00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you don't even worry about pass protection. There's that's not

642
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: even a concern. But if you can't move the ball

643
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: on the ground, now you know you're gonna have a long,

644
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: long day protecting your quarterback. Man Main Bengals has a

645
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: question about the defense. We've seen glimpses of lou Anarrumo's

646
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: d over the past couple of years, but various problems

647
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: and injuries seem to have prevented it from blossoming. What

648
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: can we expect from an Ana Rumo defense at full firepower? Yeah,

649
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's a It's a defense that has,

650
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, a multiplicity to it. They can they can

651
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: morph from a four three to a three to four look.

652
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: And that's why, like we talked about with position versatility

653
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: with the offensive line, he looks for that type of

654
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: thing with his with his d defensive players as well,

655
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Can the guy, uh you know, stop to run on

656
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: the edge as well as rush the passer on the edge?

657
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Can can the guy drop back into coverage as well?

658
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, can he provide you know, more than one

659
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: or more than two things for your defensively And if

660
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: that's the case, you can do a lot of things

661
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: with a few players, because that's that's what Bill Belichick

662
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: has done. Bill Belichick, in my mind, his defensive success

663
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: over the years is he has found, you know, very

664
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: very sound football players that have a good intelligence for

665
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the game of football, to have position versatility, and he

666
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: can count on them to do multiple things and do

667
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: them all the way they're supposed to be done, do

668
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: it how your coach to do it. And I think

669
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: now that lou an Umu feels like he's got a

670
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: room full of that type of player that he's hand picked.

671
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Now over the last couple of drafts and free agents.

672
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: They they spent dollars in free agency and used high

673
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: draft picks, you know, to help them. So I'm excited

674
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: to see the fit. You know what, lou Anna Rumo

675
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: asks that these guys are they capable of doing and

676
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: they better be, because you know they've been chosen to

677
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: do so, and see what kind of fit that how

678
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: that unfolds, and what the Bengals can do, because if

679
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots are so hard to prepare for,

680
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: because even from one quarter to the next or one

681
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: half to the next, they're running a totally different scheme

682
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: against you, and you know that's at the highest level.

683
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the Bengals defense is going to

684
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: be that, but it'd be nice if all of a sudden,

685
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, you see the opposing offensive lineman going to

686
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: the sideline taking the helmets, I'll scratching their head and

687
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: the coach has got a grease board and he's frantically

688
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: diagramming because they don't know what the hell's going on

689
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: out there with respect to the scheme. And when you

690
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: can run different schemes and not have to substitute players

691
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: to do it, that's when you're living in high cotton.

692
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you make that New England comparison, because

693
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: to me, that's the type of defense that lou Ana

694
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Rumo wants to be as opposed to a Baltimore blitzing

695
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: every play forty five percent of the time. It's more

696
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: of the England thought of every week, we are going

697
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: to more for our defense to take away what you

698
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: do best. They're gonna take away what you do best,

699
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: and we're gonna make you uncomfortable mentally. We're gonna tax

700
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: you mentally because we feel we've got to. We've got

701
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: a superior football IQ collectively on the defensive side of

702
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: the football. Then you have on the offensive side of football,

703
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: particularly off front seven against your O line, and we're

704
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna raise hell with you. And I think

705
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: that's what Those are two things that the Patriots do.

706
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: The Patriots tax you mentally and and they do they

707
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: do right then, and they say that's the guy we

708
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: gotta take away, and come hell or high water, we're

709
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: taking that guy away. Day. WU asks this question, why

710
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: isn't Darius Phillips getting more of a chance. It seems

711
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: like whenever he plays cornerback he's a turnover machine and

712
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: on special teams he can be electric. I think consistency

713
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: is his biggest uh. I guess the thing they're looking

714
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: for him to improve upon, that's his achilles heel right

715
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: now for him is is he will He probably has

716
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: the best hands in the secondary and can make plays

717
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: on the football as well as anybody in the secondary.

718
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: But his snap to snap consistency of where he's supposed

719
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: to be when he's supposed to be there, how he's

720
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: supposed to do it from a technique standpoint, is not there.

721
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: As much as other players and coaches trust smart players

722
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: that know what they're doing every single snap. Like we

723
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: just talked about with Bill Belichick, if you don't have

724
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: football smarts, you're not playing for Bill Belichick. And in

725
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches and every coach in the National

726
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Football League or any level of football, they love smart players.

727
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: You have confidence and feel good about having smart players

728
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: on the football field. I would throw in staying healthy

729
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: as well. He's had a need that's given him trouble

730
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: since he's been in Cincinnati. Doesn't always practice, so he

731
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: would be able to. He needs to be able to

732
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: answer the bell week after week, practice after practice, game

733
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: after game in order to get more snaps, no question

734
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: about it. Dependability, reliability, all of the ability words definitely

735
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: fit for him to get more snaps, no doubt. Here's

736
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: a question from Nathan, where do you think the chances

737
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: are bringing Geno Atkins back on a one year deal. Well,

738
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great question. I mean, I don't

739
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: think you ever say never, particularly with the relationship that

740
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: they have he has with the organization, the organization has

741
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: with him. I'm sure again the June early June deadline,

742
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: with the salary cap ramifications and all that is an

743
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: impact with if in fact he's going to be invited

744
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: to somebody's training camp. Do people in the league feel

745
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: that he has any rubber left on the tire? He

746
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: has had bad injury. You know, one of the more

747
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: durable guys ever in the history of the Bengals in

748
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: terms of the defensive lineman. But he's had his problems

749
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: down the stretch here of his career and as he

750
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: breaking down a little bit. That's the big question that

751
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: people have. So it'll be interesting to see how many

752
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: people are interested if there is any interest in Gino,

753
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: and I would think the Bengals would at least maybe,

754
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, kick the tires one more time and see

755
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: what Gino thinks. Uno Chase asks this, who has the

756
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: inside track for backup slot receiver. They brought in Riley

757
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Lees and Trent Taylor and seem high on Trent and Irwin. Yeah,

758
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean Trent Taylor obviously has the NFL experience. I

759
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: think we're looking at him as an Alex ericson clone

760
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I think that he has the

761
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: best chance of being active because he's his return abilities,

762
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: his overall special team's abilities, he has five years of

763
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: snaps in the National Football League. I think he's probably

764
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: got the inside track in terms of taking the role

765
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: of Alex Erickson. And I'm wondering if he's wearing the

766
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: same place. I can remember if he's wearing eleven or twelve.

767
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: He's wearing one of those two number He was eleven,

768
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: he was eleven. Okay, I thought if he was wearing twelve,

769
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: they were that was definitely the intent there. But yeah,

770
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I think he does have a shot. Riley Lees was

771
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: wearing twelve. I noticed he does not wear gloves. What

772
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver in this day and age does not wear gloves. Well,

773
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, particularly when it gets you know a

774
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit snowy and icy, and now

775
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: those fingers get really really cold and stiff. You know,

776
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: your your your fingertips freeze. You can't even get a fingerprint.

777
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: The FBI couldn't get a fingerprint off you out there

778
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: after a game, and be interesting to see if that,

779
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: if that mindset changes, he probably wears them when it

780
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: gets cold. All right, from hitted straight. What would it

781
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: mean to you to see the Bengals win a Super

782
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: Bowl And do you risk realistically see it happening during

783
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: your broadcasting career? Well, that's a that's a great question.

784
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to happen, you know, in

785
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: the eighties. Got to the Super Bowl as a broadcaster

786
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: in eighty eight and uh, you know, we want in

787
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: eighty one and eighty one, eighty two season again in

788
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: eighty eight eighty nine. I thought, man, this chance got

789
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: there twice, you know, third times a charm. You got

790
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: to get there a third time, I guess, you know,

791
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: for that to be the charm. But back in the

792
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: eighties I would have said, hell yeah, I think there's

793
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: a great chance to experience a you know, a Super

794
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Bowl win as a broadcaster. Didn't get it done as

795
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: a player, got there and obviously came up short, and

796
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, never really do you ever get over that,

797
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: but it would be nice to get when as a broadcaster,

798
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Dan would I'd love to call a super Bowl winning

799
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: performance with you. That would be awesome. Oh, it's going

800
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: to happen. Trust me, it's going to happen. And here's

801
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: why it's going to happen. I am not going to

802
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: allow you to retire until that happens. Oh man, you

803
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: may have to prop me up and slap me around

804
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: now because it's happening in the Joe Burrow era. I said,

805
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you're not going to have to wait very long. All right.

806
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: We'd like to end whenever possible with a couple of

807
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: wild card questions that came in on ask Lap. The

808
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: first one comes from Travis. What made you decide to

809
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: do your own podcast? It's great, by the way. Oh

810
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Travis. Yeah, it just had you know,

811
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: just started thinking about, uh, you know something UM doing

812
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: doing interviews with not just Bengals and football people, but

813
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: just sports people in general, and UM in the city

814
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati that Cincinnati fans might have an interest in,

815
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: and maybe sports figures outside of Cincinnati that has some

816
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: sort of a Cincinnati connection. I just thought that might be, uh,

817
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: might be fun to do. And first our logistics who

818
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I do some work with in the offseason. UM, they

819
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: had an interest in and being a sponsor of the podcast.

820
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: So they set up a beautiful studio for me over

821
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: there at their at their location, and uh, it's been

822
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Um and really you learned something

823
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: about these guys. It's something always comes up during the

824
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: course of a half hour, forty five minute podcast that

825
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily think you were going to be going

826
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: down that road. I mean, you know all about it.

827
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: You do a great job on podcasts, and it just um, yeah,

828
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: I just I enjoy. I enjoy find and out not

829
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: the unknown, but maybe the less known about people that

830
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: are more high profile. You know, it's kind of interesting.

831
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Travis is right, it's awesome. I've listened to almost every

832
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: episode that Kevin euclis one this week was great. If

833
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: folks want to skip the Dan Horde episode, you were

834
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: it was fun to do. It was fun to do.

835
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: I just did uh Luke Fickle Monday and he was

836
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: not good. He was great. I mean it was a

837
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: good forty five fifty minutes and really some interesting stuff

838
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: about Coach Fickle in there. I don't want to give

839
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: anything away, but I think it's I think it's worth

840
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 1: the listen. He's he's you know, he's he's special. That dude,

841
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: he's he's got it together. Can't wait to listen. Even

842
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: though I've talked to Luke a billion times. I'm sure

843
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: just from the nature of having somebody different asked the questions,

844
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: I'll learn something about him that I've never learned before.

845
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Final question comes from Governor Chief, what was your favorite

846
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: postgame meal? My favorite post game meal? It didn't It

847
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: didn't happen very often, But I'm predominantly I'm a beef guy.

848
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I love a good steak, but man, being from New England,

849
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: if you find a good lobster, a good lobster tail

850
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: can't beat it. And I like to tear a part

851
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: of lobster. I'd like to order a whole lobster and

852
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: just you know, get to get out of the tail

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Speaker 1: to close the whole thing. And uh, my mother in law,

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Speaker 1: God rest her soul. She got every bit of lobster

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Speaker 1: meat there was to get in the lobster and then

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Speaker 1: would make an unbelievable lobster salad. So I'd have to

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Speaker 1: say that the most special meal would be an unbelievably

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Speaker 1: well perfectly cooked lobster. Do you eat the tamali the

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Speaker 1: green stuff? At the top of the tail negatory, nor

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Speaker 1: the row. I don't eat the tomali or the row

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Speaker 1: the red rock. No, no, I don't. I don't go there.

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Speaker 1: But she ate the Tamali. I mean she went after

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, and they say it's a delicacy, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, good than you can have mine. That's going

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