1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: Eight dad at three separate so called massage parlors. Was 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: it a hate crime? We need to lobbery here? That 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: guy this way? I need to put a policy. No, 4 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: it's a robbery there. Yeah, okay, what is this a 5 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: house department? Our business? Of course? Spile, I can't hear you, 6 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: cool spa. Okay, all right, you have a descrip for while? 7 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: PRETI O? Holy? Do you have a description of their male? A? 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: We need a high do I note this way? Precy? 9 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Is it a male or female? They have a potton 10 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: viceline live built this way? They have a god? Yeah, 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: by Shane, I have a bible clocked this way? Where 12 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: is heat in the building? M h, this is a 13 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: poor suppose I know where's the person who is robbing 14 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: the spot? Where is he right now? I don't know. 15 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm hiding, I know. Okay, did you have a description 16 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: of him? Did you see him? Oh? Yeahs A like guy, 17 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: A white male. What is he wearing? I don't know. 18 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty come again, um just FYI uh? Talking more 19 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: and more loudly does not help anyone. And here you've 20 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: got this poor woman hiding and one of these massage 21 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: parlors hiding in a closet or a cabinet. She's whispering 22 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: and the not one operator is asking, you know what 23 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: the par is wearing. You know, one more word could 24 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: have alerted the to her location and she'd end up 25 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: dead too. That is just the tip of the iceberg. 26 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of that nine on one call. 27 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: Help me exactly what happened to me? I don't know yet. 28 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: So I just got a call from one of my 29 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: friends and they say some guys can end you know 30 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: of the v tars of dunschat and you know, the 31 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: ladies packed out like sve the door. Everybody cares for 32 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: everybody hiding. So I don't know what's going on exactly, 33 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: but I need the ambulance or something over there and 34 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: the occasion. Please. The lady is not passed out. She's dead, 35 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: one of eight dead after a violent, bloody rampage, revenge massacre. 36 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to the nine on one call. Um, Um, 37 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: some guys came in and sister done. So everybody hurts 38 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: as don't shot, and um, some lady start hurts at stake. 39 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: You know, everybody scared, so they're hiding and not behind. 40 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: But the ladies passed out again she's not passed out, 41 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: She's dead with me an all star panel to try 42 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: to apply logic to an illogical massacre. Twenty seven years 43 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Metro Major Case joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction 44 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: SWAT as well now Lawyer James shell Nutt at Shalnut 45 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Law Firm dot com. Psychoana was joining us from Beverly Hills, 46 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: star of the new Netflix series Bling Empire at Doctor 47 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, former FBI star 48 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: of a Facebook TV show Curs of aaka Core. You 49 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: can find him at Bobby Chicone at FBI retired dot com. 50 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone join US. Deputy medical examiner from Travis County. 51 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: That's Austin, Texas, Doctor Kendall Crowns. But first to Crime 52 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: Online dot com. Investigative reporter or host of Crime and 53 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: Scandal true crime podcast, Levi Page Levi take a listen 54 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: to our friend Mark Strassman at CBS. This rampage began 55 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: here Young's Asian massage in Cherokee County, Georgia. A gunman 56 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: with a nine millimeter shot four people dead, two of 57 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: them Asian women. Fifty two minutes later, another nine one 58 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: one call they have yeah, more gunshots thirty miles south 59 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. The gold Spot advertises twenty four to seven 60 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: massages and police say operates legally. Three more Asian women 61 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: were murdered here. It's not really making any sense how 62 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: this happens that the massage spat responding police then got 63 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: this call nice out after hearing hot fire. Yet another shooting. 64 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: A third homicide scene right across the street inside the 65 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Aromatherapy spa. The final victim was another Asian woman. How 66 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: were these particular massage parlors targeted? Take a listen to 67 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: our cut sixteen. This is Jackie Howard at crime online 68 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: dot com. USA Today reports Young's Asian Massage Parlor, Gold Spa, 69 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: and Aromatherapy are all three listed on rubmaps dotch. That's 70 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: an erotic review site that allows users to search for 71 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: and review illicit massage parlors. The site is very popular 72 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: and it's a site where buyers who call themselves hobbyists 73 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: or mongers go to find sex. That's according to a study. Bipolarists, 74 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: a nonprofit group that operates the National Human Trafficking Hotline. 75 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: All three spas that were attacked, we're on something called 76 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: rubmaps dotch What is it? An erotic view site allowing 77 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: users to search and review elicit massage parlors. Now you 78 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: heard that police say all these massage parlors were functioning legally. 79 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: Well not according to this website. A lot more to 80 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: find out. Let's bring in the all star panel back 81 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: to you, Leavipage Climb online dot com investigative reporter. How 82 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: did the whole thing start? So, Nancy, there are three 83 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: massage parlors that were targeted, Young's Asian Massage, Bold Spa 84 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: and Aroma Therapy. This started Tuesday around five pm at 85 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Young's Asian Massage and Acworth, Georgia in Cherokee County, Georgia. 86 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: And that's where four people were gunned down there at 87 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: that spa. And there was another person at thirty year 88 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: old that was walking past the parlor to a money 89 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: exchange business who was shot. He was injured but lived 90 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: hanging on by a read. Yes, we are hearing a 91 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: lot about the two Asian women gunned down dead at 92 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: the first spa. There were two Asian women, but there's 93 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: also a white woman and a white man at Young's 94 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Asian Massage and a Hispanic man was coming out of 95 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: one of the other businesses not there in the spot 96 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: that ended up getting gunned down as well. Guys, take 97 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eight. This is Joe Ripley 98 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: at eleven Alive and Gabby's boutique nextdoor. That's where I 99 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: spoke with one of the store's owners, read a Brone. 100 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: She told me, shere what sounded like a loud thump yesterday, 101 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: telling me she's feeling sad and shaken up today. She 102 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: knew the victims as well, seeing the owner of the 103 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: massage Poltor, was killed and other victims shot at her store. 104 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: Barron and her husband showed me exactly where a bullet 105 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: tore through their store wall, and the owners say surveillance 106 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: foot had showed the suspected gunman sitting outside in his 107 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: vehicle for about an hour before the shooting started. What 108 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: if it's like I think, oil something happened, then maybe 109 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: they drop something very very hard, But I don't know 110 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: what's a wounded. The white male and white female were 111 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: a married couple that were there getting a couple's massage. 112 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: The other women I believe worked there that was a 113 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: young's Asian massage, and I find it very interesting to you. 114 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: James Shellnutt, former law enforcement twenty seven years in this jurisdiction, 115 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: that the guy sat out in his vehicle for over 116 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: an hour, and if you look at the video surveillance 117 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: which I have, he's not even trying to cover his face. 118 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: He did have on a hoodie, but he didn't even 119 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: try to conceal his identity. No, I mean, and this 120 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: is something that he had planned out. This is not 121 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: something that he woke up one morning said, you know, 122 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and attack these massage callers and 123 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: kill as many people as I can. This is something 124 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: that had gone on and he had resolved more than 125 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: likely that he was either going to be captured or killed, 126 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: and it didn't matter to him. Based off the state 127 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: of Monday was probably here Crime Stories with Nancy Grace 128 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, A violent, deadly 129 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: rampage rips through the Atlantic community when a young twenty 130 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: one year old man now identified as Robert Aaron Long 131 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: attacks not one, not two, but three massage parlors clearly 132 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: identifying Asian sex workers. What else do we know? Take 133 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twelve. This is Jackie Howard 134 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: Crime Online twenty one year old Robert Long is initially 135 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: identified through surveillance camera footage from one of the crime scenes. 136 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: Footage from area businesses shows the suspected gunman outside Young's 137 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: Asian massage. Longs as you've is seen entering the Spots 138 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: Strip Mall parking lot around four fifty pm. The first 139 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: nine one one call comes in around five pm. Police 140 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: posted images of Long and his vehicle. Soon after. Long's 141 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: parents reached out to police, identifying their son that tipped 142 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: help police tracklong cell phone. After the shooting, the suspected 143 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: gunman head itself to Florida down Interstate seventy five. Around 144 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: eight pm, the Crisp County Sheriff got word that a 145 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: murder suspect out of North Georgia was getting close to 146 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: entering the county. Just thirty minutes later, Georgia State Patrol 147 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: troopers performed a maneuver on Long's SUV that caused it 148 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: to spin out of control. Mag do you shalnot? What 149 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: maneuver do you think they used? Do you think they 150 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: threw down sticks? What do you think they did? No? 151 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: A pit maneuver is a train technique that's trained by 152 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement to law enforcement offers to disable a vehicle 153 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: by using the patrol vehicle. And what that means is 154 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: that you come alongside the vele that you're pursuing, the 155 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: front right quarter panel or front left quarter panel meets 156 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: the back quarter panel of their car. It pushes over 157 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: and causes the car to go into a spin and 158 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: causes the driver to lose control and typically either hit 159 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: something on the roadway or slide off the roadway, causing 160 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: the pursuit to come to an end most of the time. 161 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Could you repeat that in Slimmy Go Ahead? Yes. A 162 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: pit maneuver is a trained law enforcement technique where a 163 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement officer uses his or her vehicle to spin 164 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: out the vehicle that they're pursuing. You said something about 165 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: hitting the front right fender. I believe. Yeah. So the 166 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: officers use either the front right or front left quarter 167 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: panel of their car to hit the rear quarter panel 168 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: of the car that they're pursuing, and that causes the 169 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: car to break traction and to spin out of control. 170 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: So they basically ram the car and one of the 171 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: bat rear fenders and cause the car to spin out. 172 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened here. Shell Nutt. As a matter 173 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: of fact, we now believe this defendant was on his 174 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: way I think down either seventy five or eighty five, 175 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: likely seventy five seventy five to Florida to attack more 176 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: massage parlors. That's what they know. The interstate between Atlanta 177 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: and Valdosta and onto Florida dotted with truck stop massage parlors, 178 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: as we all know. But very very curious to Bobby 179 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Chico and former FBI star favsbook TV show cursor Baca Corps, Bobby, 180 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: the guy didn't even try to hide his face. He 181 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: was brazen. What does that tell you, Well, it tells 182 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: me that he's been thinking about this for a while, 183 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: that he had his plan in place. You know, he 184 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: thought through it. He wasn't trying to get away with it. 185 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: He knew that, like we said Earl, it was either 186 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: going to end in his own depth, by cop or 187 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: by his capture. So I think he just he resolved 188 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: himself that this was the day he was going to 189 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: do this. I don't know how long in advance he 190 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: had been planning it, but it seemed he had a 191 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: certain level of resolve that he was sitting there and waiting. 192 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Now he could have been. You know, he frequented some 193 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: of these places, we think, so, you know, he could 194 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: have been waiting for a lull in the amount of people. 195 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: He could have waited for a particular person that he 196 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: knew work there to go in. We don't know that 197 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: particular part yet, um. But it does indicate a certain 198 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: level of resolve that he's sitting there, as you said, 199 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: not trying to hide himself, not trying to get away 200 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: with anything. He knows that his cars in plane view 201 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: of video cameras. He's not trying to cover his face, 202 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: although he had a hoodie on. Um. So, so all 203 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: of these things indicate that certainly he knew what he 204 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: was going to do, he planned it, he took the 205 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: steps to carry it out, and that's what we see. 206 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: And fortunate law enforcement got to him, you know, in 207 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: the middle of this mass or you know, the BodyCount 208 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: could have been much higher. You know. It's when we 209 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: were talking earlier with shel Nut about the pit maneuver. 210 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: There are a lot of ways that trey law enforcement 211 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: stop a fleeing vehicle. They can throw down sticks in 212 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: front of the vehicle that then ripped the tires as 213 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: the vehicle goes over Nobody really knew where this guy 214 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: was headed or what he intended to do. But law 215 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: enforcement in Crisp County, I believe it was shell Nutt 216 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: did the pit and they stopped this guy. And there's 217 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: no telling how many lives they say, because this guy 218 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: says he was going to Florida to shoot even more 219 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: sex workers. But there are a lot of massage parlors 220 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: along the way. Have you ever driven that very lonely 221 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: stretch of highway. There are a lot of massage parlors 222 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: and adult novelty stores. Many times, shall Nut, when I'd 223 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: have the twins in the car and we'd be going 224 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: south to Florida, I'd distract them so they wouldn't see 225 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: the giant billboards about adult novelties. I was not ready 226 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: to explain what our adult novelties to a six year 227 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: old sow. You know. Oh, look over there is that 228 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: batman in this guy, same thing with all the massage parlors, 229 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: so he may not have made it to Florida. There's 230 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: so many to pick from, which goes back to a 231 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: theory of human trafficking. But the Crisp County shaffs Or 232 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement had it right. Shall Nut, Oh they did, 233 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, he could have continued this 234 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: killing spree for a very long time. We're very fortunate 235 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: there weren't a number of other victims in this situation. 236 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: We're very fortunate that even in the car chase itself, 237 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: that someone else wasn't injured. To kill some innocent person 238 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: going down the interstate and to take this guy out 239 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: by using a pit maneuver and to forces vehicle off 240 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: the roadway was exactly the right decision to Chris County 241 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: Sheriff and Georgia State Control did a great job and 242 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: ended this before we had more innocent victims. They really did. 243 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: And a little known fact about using a pit you 244 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: can lose your own life trying to stop another speeding 245 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: vehicle hell bent on more destruction down the interstate because 246 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: that person they don't care if they live or die, 247 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: and they'll take you straight to hell with him if 248 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: you try to stop their car. So I got my 249 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: hats off to the Chris County law enforcement that performed 250 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: the pit and got this guy. Who is this guy? 251 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: We know his own family helped catch him. Take a 252 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: listen to Mark Strassman's CBS Long's family helped catch him 253 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: They recognized him in this surveillance photo posted on social 254 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: media and alerted deputies, who arrested him one hundred and 255 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: fifty miles south of Atlanta. When police finally arrested Long, 256 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: he was heading to Florida and he told detectives when 257 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: he got there he was planning more shootings. You know, 258 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Mathidy Marshall, this guy is brazen. He's 259 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: only caught by a pit maneuver, risking law enforcement life 260 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: to stop him, and he's saying, hey, I wasn't done yet. 261 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: Eight dead people were not enough for me. I wanted 262 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: to kill more people. And he admits that to police. 263 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: He still doesn't get what he did was wrong, Nancy. 264 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: He doesn't care that what he did was wrong. He 265 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: doesn't care if he's going to go to jail or 266 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: even if he dies himself. As one of the panelists 267 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: pointed out, he just wanted to kill. And remember, Nancy, 268 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: whether it's the mass murderer or the serial killer, you know, 269 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: they always choose the most vulnerable victims in society. They 270 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: don't go after the president of the United States, of 271 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: the school principle, or you know, peopled the banker, the 272 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: local banker, think go after sex workers, people who have 273 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: been separated from their families, who are working on low 274 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: or minimum wages or tips, people who are disenfranchised, women 275 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: who are actually ashamed as sometimes of the work that 276 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: they are doing, or have been sex trafficked so they 277 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: do not have any source of support in their life. 278 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: Who did he pick this particular population. It's easy for 279 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: him to say he's a sex addict and this is 280 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: why he went and did it. I think that's just 281 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: a rationalization. It's a little bit like somebody going into 282 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: a school and shooting up a bunch of kindergarteners. They're 283 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: vulnerable too, so he didn't care. He wanted to take 284 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: out as many people as possible in as small an 285 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: area as possible. Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. The guys 286 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: were talking about this horrible mask car that has gone 287 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: down in the Atlanta area. Bethany, I'm so mad, I 288 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: swear I could chew a nail in half. You think 289 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: these women want to work as a sex worker and 290 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: a massage parler. They might smile in your face because 291 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: they want tips. Many of them are here as sex 292 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: traffic victims. They don't have a passport, They don't have 293 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: a driver's license. They got nothing, and then they've got 294 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: to have sex acts and the back of some CD 295 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: massage parlor to make a living. They can't really speak 296 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: the language, they're uneducated, they're separated from their family. They've 297 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: been lied to to come to this country most likely, 298 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: and they are the most along with children, are some 299 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: of the most disadvantage people in our society. And I 300 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: will never get over as long as I live, Bethany, 301 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: and I've told a hundred juries this. The powerful, those 302 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: more cunning than others, those with no conviction, no morals, 303 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: no empathy, will forever take advantage of the week. And 304 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: that is what we're seeing here. A lot has been 305 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: made about this guy being so religious, and his dad 306 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: was a youth pastor and his mom worked at the 307 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: church organizing events. I don't give a flying fig about that. 308 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: What I care about it is what he did to 309 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: these women and plan to do more. What did that 310 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: make you feel, like, Bethany, the big guy coming in 311 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: and making the petite little lady hide in the cabinet, 312 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: which spring to I'm not WoT. It was a big 313 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: say in the New York Times, a big exposa in 314 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: the New York Times about sex workers and these massage partners. 315 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: In a particular, one person whose whole family was starving 316 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: in Thailand, she married a white guy, came over, he 317 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: became disabled. She went to work in the sex parlor 318 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: because at this point she had like eight family members 319 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: relying on her. Eventually her husband died. She was all 320 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: alone with no income, and the police came after her 321 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: to her being a sex worker, and she suicide. That 322 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: she killed herself because she had so much shame over 323 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: being a sex worker. And it was basically she suicided 324 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: by jumping out of a six story window. And because 325 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: she had endured years of abuse at the hands of 326 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: her patrons. She did not want to be a sex worker, 327 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: but it was the only way to support her family 328 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: in the home country. Is that it was a devastating piece. 329 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: And these are that's the truth of these women. And 330 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: it happens every day when you ride by these massage parlors. 331 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: What do you think's going on in there? It's not 332 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: just sex. Some woman is being taken advantage of. And 333 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: it's so easy for us to say, oh, well, that's 334 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: what she wants. It's not like that. You think that's 335 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: what they want. I don't know what world you're living 336 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: in if that's what you think. I mean, Bobby Chicone, 337 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: former FBI, I've seen it all. I've been in massage, parlors, 338 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: strip joints, whorehouses, you name it, out on the street 339 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: where hookers are are trying to pick up people on 340 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: the street, None of them that I have ever met. 341 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: Some of them may have bravado and you know, toss 342 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: it off. That's not what they want. They don't know 343 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: of another way to make a living. Yeah, it's a 344 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: crime and it should be a crime. Man. I feel 345 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: so bad for them, and now this Chicon, Yeah, and 346 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I would, I would say that they're not even making 347 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: a living there. Most of them money is going to 348 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: the trafficker, who's They often live together in these huddled, 349 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: small places. Um. You know, there is the rare occasion 350 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: when they will have a family or something like that, 351 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: but many times, um, they're living in squalid conditions and 352 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: the money they're making, you know, overwhelming majority that moneymaking 353 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: is not going to them. Um. You know, and working 354 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: trafficking cases. You can see it in their eyes when 355 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: you go into these places, the fear, the intimidation, Um, 356 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: you know, and and it's a it's it's a horrific thing. 357 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: And then these these websites like you mentioned in your 358 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: story earlier, Um, where these guys get on there and 359 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: they tell you which ones to go to and which 360 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: which women to see, they name them by name, and 361 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: which acts you can negotiate. I mean, it's it's horrific 362 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: and it's supporting you know, this this trafficking industry that 363 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: that's going on, and you know, these are the horrific consequences, 364 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, from what I understand that to you like leavipage, 365 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: clime online dot com invest to get every reporter. One 366 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: of his roommates stated that he had been in treatment 367 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: for sex addiction and then he was angry with himself 368 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: because he relapsed at a massage parlor. What if anything 369 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: do you know about that? That is true, Nancy? And 370 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: when police apprehended him, they said that he told him 371 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: long the shooter that he targeted the sex parlors because 372 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: he saw them as a temptation and that he wanted 373 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: to take the temptation away. You know, I will never understand, 374 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, why killing the women was a way to 375 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: take the temptation away and never turning the gun on 376 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: himself because he his mind is so valuable, or just stopping. 377 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's hard to stop any addiction 378 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: cold turkey, but you know what it can be done. 379 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: You know, my dad started smoking when he was eleven 380 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: eleven years old, and he smoked until my mother and 381 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: my dad had me was some any long difficulties, He 382 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: put out a cigarette and that was it. He didn't 383 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: have money for a rehab or Nick Corrette or anything 384 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: like that. He quit. He did it, And I get it. 385 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: It's hard to stop an addiction, but to go on 386 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: a shooting rampage. Don't start with me, Bethany Marshall about 387 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: this guy's insane, don't Nancy what It seems a little 388 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: like the in cells where they have their own psychological difficulties. 389 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: They can't get women, they don't know how to operate 390 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: normally in relationships, but they hate the women they cannot have. 391 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: Although I don't think that quite fits this pattern either. 392 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: I think there's another story here, Nancy. I would imagine 393 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: there's either a woman that he started to become attracted 394 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: to and she had to kick on other clients, or 395 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: they maybe set limits if he was a sex addict. 396 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: Maybe he is going there too often, not paying a prostitute, 397 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: setting a women about how many times a customer could 398 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: come back. So that's new to me. Well, but but 399 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: let's think about how okay. So I do treat sex 400 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: addiction and my Beverly Hills practice, and often when my 401 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: patients talk about going to massage parlors, I feel so 402 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: sorry for the women. I'm like, Oh, dear God in heaven, 403 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: what are these women going through? Because these men often 404 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: notoriously have no idea about what's going on in the 405 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: mind of other people. They only care about their own 406 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: sex drive, even in their most intimate interpersonal relationships. They 407 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: have no theory about the emotions and the feelings of 408 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: their wives and their girlfriends. They're just always targeting something, 409 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: so somebody. So, imagine you're the owner of a sex 410 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: parlor and some young guy is coming in. Imagine your 411 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: sex workers. Well, I mapped an abuse towards your sex workers. 412 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: Imagine and of course Bethany catch this. His sex addiction 413 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: was no secret. Take a listen again to Urfred Jackie 414 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: Howard at crime online dot Com. In his confession to police, 415 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Long says he has issues with sexual addiction and may 416 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: have quote frequented some of these places in the past. 417 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: CNN reports that his addiction was also appointed friction with 418 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: his family. According to a law enforcement source, the suspect 419 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: said he was recently kicked out of the house by 420 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: his family because of his addiction, which included frequently spending 421 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: hours on end watching pornography online. And incident report from 422 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: the Cherokee County Sheriff's off estates that an anonymous caller 423 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: told dispatch the suspect was emotional after being kicked out. 424 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: He's emotional because mommy and Daddy kicked him out after 425 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: he sits in his bedroom all day long watching porn. 426 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: What do you think was going to happen? Crime Stories 427 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, eight people are dead because of this. 428 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: One guy, take a listen to this. A former patient 429 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: of Maverick Recovery, a rehab facility in Roswell, Georgia, has 430 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: come forward saying he was housemates with Long. CNN reports 431 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Tyler Bayliss as saying Long was being treated for sex 432 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: addiction and that it tortured him. Bayliss says Long is 433 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: a deeply religious person and was distraught about his sex addiction, 434 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: especially after Long admitted that he had relapsed and gone 435 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: to a massage parlor explicitly to engage in sex. Let 436 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: me understand this. So he was kicked out, had been 437 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: being treated for sex addiction, deeply religious, distraught, and he 438 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: relapsed at one of these massage parlors. Okay, I'm getting 439 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: the picture of exactly what's going on. I want to 440 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: go now to special guests joining US doctor Kendall Crown's 441 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. The fear, first of all, 442 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: that these victims felt as they heard gunshots ringing out, 443 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: first in Cherokee County at the first spot Young's Asian massage, 444 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: then thirty minutes south, you know, prior to cleaning the 445 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: shadow of the Fulton County Courthouse. Actually my old neighborhood 446 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: where I lived when I was prosecuting, the midtown Cheshire 447 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: Bridge area where he attacked two more massage parlors. So 448 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 1: these women had to hear the gunshots and they are 449 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: probably running trying to hide, and there were gunned down 450 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: like animals. What would they have physically felt? How long 451 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: would it have taken them to laid out? I'm just 452 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: imagining the one lady on nine on one that the 453 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: caller said had passed out. She was dead and she 454 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: obviously knew what was happening to her. I can't imagine that. 455 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that feeling, doctor Crowns. I don't want 456 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: to imagine it. How long would she have lain there 457 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: bleeding out because of this guy? It would have been 458 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: down where she got shot. But on average, if it's 459 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: a major blood vessel, and it can take several several 460 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: minutes to bleed out. So you're going to be laying 461 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: there basically slowly falling asleep while you hear the rampaging 462 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: going on around you, just thinking about what you just said, 463 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: hearing the screams, the gunshots, attacking one store, then crossing 464 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: the street on one Parliament and crossing the street to another. 465 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: What pain would they have felt, doctor crown And also, 466 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: if it was not a major ordery, it would have 467 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: taken them longer to die, more suffering. Yeah, that's correct. 468 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if it's not a major artery or not 469 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: like your brain stem or your heart, it's going to 470 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: take a while for you to die. And of course 471 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: the pain inflicted is the injury to the skin is 472 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: where the majority of the pain is felt, but it 473 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: is a significant amount of pain, so I don't think 474 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: it would be pleasant at all. Of course. You know, 475 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: I've often heard that people quote go into shock when 476 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: they're shot. Is that even possible? I mean, I'm hoping 477 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: it's possible. That I don't really put much stock into 478 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: that if they can't feel what's happening to them, well, again, 479 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be dependent on where you're shot at. 480 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: But you feel the pain, the sensation, the blood loss. 481 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: Do you go into shock instantly maybe, depending on where 482 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: you're hit, But again, the shock is a process of 483 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: the blood loss and your body reacting to it. It 484 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: isn't something that happens instantaneously, but it is more it 485 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: takes more time for you to go into shock. So 486 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: for most people, again, they're going to be laying there 487 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: slowly bleeding out, going into shock and for several minutes. 488 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut seven. This is 489 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: a Brittany clean pinner at eleven Alive. Police saying they 490 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: quickly identified Robert Long as the suspect after they put 491 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: out surveillance photos of the gunmen and Long's family contact 492 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: of them. Law enforcement said that they then used Long's 493 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: phone to track him down and arrest him in Chris 494 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: County last night. Today, he's being held at the Cherokee 495 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: County Detention Center, Investigators telling NBC Long purchased the gun 496 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: legally yesterday in Georgia. In a press conference today, the 497 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Cherokee County Sheriff said Long has admitted to the crimes 498 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: and told investigators he's a sex at He apparently has 499 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: an issue what he considers a sex addiction and sees 500 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: these locations as something that allows him to go to 501 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: these places in a some temptation for him that he 502 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 1: wanted to eliminate. Law enforcement also saying Long told them 503 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: he was headed to Florida to commit similar crimes when 504 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: he was arrested. So, Bethany, you're the shrink. All of 505 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: these women, all these massage parlors, in his mind, were 506 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: just in his orbit. He's the son, so he can 507 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: swat down all of them in order to help himself 508 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: get rid of his sex addiction. They're nothing to him. Dancy. 509 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: It's like an alcoholic going into a bar and shoot 510 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: to the bar tender. It really doesn't make sense, right. 511 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: It only makes sense if you think about an extremely 512 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: disturbed person who externalizes all of the responsibility for his action. 513 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, often to really disturbed people have the mindset 514 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: of the infant or the child. So think of the 515 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: child who falls down, skins his knee, and then sort 516 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: of looks around him as if something happened to him 517 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: and then starts to cry, not as if he had 518 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: poor balance and fell. So adults who are really disturbed, 519 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: they externalize blame. They don't own their actions. But Nancy, 520 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: there's something more to the story. The hours watching porn, 521 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: masturbating the idea that he puts so much energy into this. 522 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: He may have either been a methodict, because that's notorious 523 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: with meth addiction or stimulant addiction that people will spend 524 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: hours looking at porn, or what we call dual diagnosis, 525 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: meaning there was a sex addiction but some other underlying 526 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: psychiatric disorder like bipolar, because bipolar does cause hypersexuality. So, 527 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, just to say he's rubbing out the focus 528 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: of his addiction really simplifies, I think a very complex 529 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: issue where this guy was disturbed on multiple levels. Who 530 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: are the victims? So far, we're really only hearing about 531 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: the two white victims. Take a listen to Earl Barnett CBS. Well, 532 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: we've learned a bit more information about one of the 533 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: victims who died from the shooting at this location. Her 534 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: name is Delanna Young, thirty three years old, married and 535 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: a mother of two children. The youngest is an eight 536 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: month old girl. Now, she was here with her husband 537 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: Mario when the shooting took place, but we're told that 538 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: she actually works as a server at a waffle house 539 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: very close to where I'm standing. We went to visit 540 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: staff at that business just a short time ago, where 541 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: they had set up a donation jaw with Delanne's picture 542 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: on the exterior with her husband and her two children. 543 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: Are trying to raise money to support her relatives and 544 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: even in death, the Asian victims are largely going unnamed, unnoticed. 545 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: I found some of their names in the New York 546 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: Times that popped up just before we went to air today. 547 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: Miss John as you know, thirty three from Ackworth there 548 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: with her husband, Zayo ten of Kennesaw du Fang forty four, 549 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: Paul Andre Michaels, whose brother said he lived in Tucker. 550 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: The man that was injured coming out of another store 551 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: was elsieus hernandez Ortiz of Ackworth. We don't even know 552 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: all the victims' names. Their lives apparently not meaning much 553 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: to a lot of people, but I bet they meant 554 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: a lot to their families. We wait as justice un falls. 555 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumb Story signing off goodbye friend,